2031 Elvis and the Occult, The Whaley House , The Poltergeist movie curse

Jerry and Tracy discuss Elvis Presleys dealing with the occult and him thinking he was a savior and even plotting murders. 
They also discuss the most haunted house in America, San Diego's Whaley House. Nex is the Poltergeist movie curse!

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:16):
Hello, hell billy family. How the heck are you today?
Doing well? I hope well you woke up your feet
hit the floor, I say, We're off with a good start. Texas. Wow, Texas.
How are my textive brothers and sisters? What a weekend

(00:39):
we had? Huh? It was storm after storm, af with storm.
I know it was Sunday where I live. We literally
had severe storms every hour and a half. It was
absolutely crazy. By around midnight, the big one hit that
that was loud. It was quite the storm. But again,

(01:03):
we all woke up this morning a little tired, but awake.
Now I want to do something I haven't done in
a short while. Reviews. I know, I know, I said
I would try to do this every week, but that
just hasn't happened. I'm sorry, but let's get caught up,

(01:23):
shall we. First we're gonna start with Zombie Boy XO,
Hey Yo, c s Esther Esther, Cdelio, the Infamous mo Joe,
Lobsterblon seven, Kay, Homing Cupcake, Gernnard on Pop and Trust No.

(01:51):
One thirty one. Thank you for those reviews. We definitely
appreciate them. It means a lot when old things have
changed quite a bit. But we would still welcome to
all the reviews we can possibly get. Thank you very much.
Many reviews from the present in past have all said
they wish Tracy the vests, how they love Tracy, how

(02:12):
they thinking about Tracy and Tracy that will never change.
Please know that you are loved, you are cared for.
Some said they enjoy listening to the older episodes, but
still some said they messed the new story in which
some new ones would be posted. And that's the one
I want to address. If there will ever be news stories,

(02:36):
I'm gonna be honest that will probably be far few.
And I say that with the loving hearts. The truth
I'm not Jerry. I don't have the time I am
to sit a reach of stories to the obsession that
Jerry dan. I don't have the personal time to invest
in stories like the passion that Jerry had. Quiet honest,

(03:02):
I'm not as good as Jerry. Perhaps once in a
while I could try to foot one out. But again,
this is where I invite all you other podcasters. I
invite you to send episodes for us to play on
hibblihr stories, help us, help you introduce your podcasts, and

(03:24):
even gain from new listeners. You can contact me through
Messenger or just email me at Tim Mullens at gmail
dot com. That's Ti Ammu lll i ns at gmail
dot com. You can also use an email I address

(03:44):
to send messages to Tracy or suggestions for the podcast Likes, Dislikes,
Everything you want, Feel Free and Tracy, Our dear sweet Tracy.
If at any time you wish to come here and
say your word to your family, please please please know

(04:07):
if you are welcome at any time. This is not
my podcast, it's yours and Jerry's. I'm just a tool
to help out friends. I really do hope to hear
from you, and I know the listeners do as well.
Now for this week's episode, yes, I know, finally right,

(04:30):
all right, some of you said talk more, some you
said don't talk at all, but by the looks of it,
you get fault depending on Mike's schedule.

Speaker 2 (04:40):
Right.

Speaker 1 (04:43):
This week, Jerry and Tracey discussed I don't Pressley, dealing
with the occult and him thinking he was a stanger
and some are emna say falling murders, murders. I did
not know that this is gonna be quite interesting. They
also discussed the most hundred house in America, We San

(05:06):
Diego's Waverley House and followed up by the post Guys
Vopie Curse This. It's gonna be quite the episodes. Y'all
sit back and enjoy the show. We'll talk next week. Enjoy.

Speaker 3 (05:19):
Hey, this is Brooke and this is Nikki and we're
the host of them I so called Whatever podcast where
we get nostalgic about all the things we mess growing
up in the eighties and nineties.

Speaker 4 (05:28):
And some things we don't miss.

Speaker 5 (05:29):
We even talked about new kids on the Block.

Speaker 3 (05:31):
You know what you did. You're listening to one of
our favorite podcasts, Hill Billy Horror Stories with Jerry and Tracy.
We love you guys.

Speaker 5 (05:54):
You don't fail.

Speaker 1 (05:55):
Right down to brim and holds some reality.

Speaker 6 (05:57):
It's questionable traffic. You just came living old two right here.
Put on the joe with paming normal over low with
Southern hospitality. Hunt and murder may have hit one of
the gust and immortality. Who cases with a cork past.

Speaker 3 (06:11):
Hits to read?

Speaker 6 (06:11):
It comes to light the few billies with a back,
poor happy thing to go, don't big night, Oh but
thank you.

Speaker 5 (06:17):
To be by your delthy too.

Speaker 6 (06:18):
What has he turned on the light, mixed it in
a little comedy to make sure it all fifties is right.

Speaker 3 (06:23):
Hey, we'll go to a huge billy horror story.

Speaker 6 (06:27):
Now here's your home, Jeremy, your break, a tender golf musing.

Speaker 5 (06:34):
And sometimes they're tad preddy, but never the ferrets, Tracy.
As usual, we want to thank all of our military
and civil servants all over the world, no matter which
country you represent, as long as you're one of the
good guys, we just want to say thank you for
what you do for us every single day. To the
men and women and service animals.

Speaker 4 (06:55):
Out there, continue prayers for you guys. Thank you for
keeping us safe. Always, always, always praying for you all.
Thank you for all you guys do for us.

Speaker 5 (07:06):
Tracy, it's it's been another one of those weeks where
we've talked to a lot of people that are struggling
going through some things. We just we want to make
sure everybody realizes that the group is a safe place.
I've seen a couple of people post because they felt
like there was no other place that they could post
with whatever situation they had going on, and I'm glad

(07:29):
that people feel that way. I just want to make
sure that everybody realizes that it is a safe place. Obviously,
you can contact myself with Tracy orre you can you know,
if you need a professional service. There are professional services
out there obviously, places like Betterhelp who've been sponsors on
the show in the past, and Tracy what else could
they do?

Speaker 4 (07:49):
You can call nine eight eight the crisis hotline. You
can also text is seven four one seven four to one.
We love you, guys, and just reach out to us.

Speaker 5 (08:00):
Please welcome everybody to episode fifty eight of Hillbilly Horror Stories.
I'm Jerry and I'm joined as usual. Bye Tracy.

Speaker 4 (08:08):
Hey, guys, what's going on?

Speaker 5 (08:11):
We have a loaded show for you tonight and we
got some cool stuff to tell you about. So what
I want to do is jump straight into this so
we can just get on with the show. Does that
sound good to you?

Speaker 1 (08:23):
Sure?

Speaker 5 (08:24):
Okay. First of all, thanks as usual to all of
our military and civil servants all around the world.

Speaker 4 (08:30):
Thank you, guys, God bless you.

Speaker 5 (08:32):
Special thoughts out to the victims of the London terrorist attack.

Speaker 4 (08:37):
Dude, I just wish people would just stop with this
crap already. But we're praying for you guys as always,
and I don't know you guys have gone through so
much here recently, but we are praying for you, and
I guess that's all we can do.

Speaker 5 (08:54):
Yep. Let's uh new patrons we did. We put a
new bonus episode out for a patron listeners and it
was on coincidences. The whole show of nothing but now
it's worth of just awesome coincidences in history. And I
wouldn't sure how it was going to be perceived because
it's a little off of what we normally do. But
the patrons loved it because we got nothing but positive reviews.

Speaker 4 (09:18):
It's really cool, though, to hear all that stuff.

Speaker 5 (09:21):
So we had some new Patreon supporters this week. Andrew
I'm sorry if I'm fish pronounce this, Andrew, Mark Jarrison,
I think or Mark Jerrison, Andrew mar Jerison, Jessica Walter.
She actually upped hers from what it was to something
a little bit higher so she gets more episodes. Thank you,
Meredith Bass, Thank you three for becoming new patrons this week.

Speaker 4 (09:44):
You guys are awesome. We appreciate you.

Speaker 5 (09:46):
iTunes reviews, we had a bunch of cool itune reviews.
I love the names on that iTunes. The first one
is traveling Pants there you go. I like that. And
then we had Micah Monge. I believe it is Sailor guy.
I don't know if there's just a bunch of guys
using one though, well, I don't know, but thank you
Johnny Drill. This one. The next one, I'm not gonna

(10:09):
give the name that's actually on an atter interview because
it's Nick Alexander. Nick is a co host of a
podcast called Brohio now Brohio Prohio like Ohio, but they're
bros who do a podcast. From these guys, I always
give you guys suggestions on podcasts, and I'm gonna give

(10:31):
you this one with a disclaimer. These guys are phenomenal.
They're funny as hell. They're one of my favorite shows
to listen to just from a comedy standpoint. Now they
talk about stuff like for Fort Wright Air Force Base,
and they talk about UFO stuff, but they also do
like some pop culture stuff. They did a story on

(10:53):
the Michael Jackson sex scandals, and they did the Tupac
and Biggie shootings and stuff like that. But you know
who show Tupaca. It's more on Tupac. But you can't
talk Tupac without Big But these guys are hilarious. They
also are not the most politically correct guys in the world,
and they'll be the first to admit it. But I

(11:13):
think the show is hilarious. But some people will probably
be offended. So just let it be known that I'm
telling you. If you are easily offended, it's probably not
the show for you. But if you just don't care
about politically correctness and you just want to laugh, give
them a listen because you'll laugh your ass off.

Speaker 4 (11:29):
How about just don't get offended.

Speaker 5 (11:31):
Yeah, unfortunately, that's not the society we live in.

Speaker 4 (11:34):
Well that's crazy. That's a crazy society.

Speaker 5 (11:37):
But I like to at least tell people, you know,
like I said, it's funny. I think it's funny. If
you like comedians like Chris Rock or Eddie Murphy back
in the day or some of the other big names
that are out there to day, you probably won't have
an issue with it.

Speaker 4 (11:50):
But you know, they're pretty good.

Speaker 5 (11:52):
Yeah, but they're they're funny as hell. So thanks for
the review, and they gave us a shout out in
their show a couple of weeks, so thank you, guys.
Great a shout out. This other name. There is no
way I'm gonna get this right. It's s K d
O D O E n R I D I E
j R D. So thank you for the review. No,

(12:14):
thank you for the long ass name to try to read.

Speaker 4 (12:16):
Sorry. Sorry, it's better that he spelled that out, because honestly.

Speaker 5 (12:20):
I would have known. I don't think it's actually meant
to spell anything.

Speaker 4 (12:24):
So I think that's really cool, though, what kind of
makes you think about it?

Speaker 5 (12:27):
Yeah, it's not cool at all, Michael Kaufman, thank you
for your review. And we had another one that was
looks like it says been in town, but it's the
Two Worst Dudes Podcast. That's another cool podcast out there.
But uh, they're just just really getting their feet wet.
Giving them a chance, you chance, Two Worst Dudes Podcast.

Speaker 4 (12:46):
Awesome.

Speaker 5 (12:47):
All right, Like I said, there's we got. Here's some
of the stuff we're going to get to later in
the show. I know, everybody, please try to be patient.
At the end of the show, we will do the
latest installment of Tracy Raps. Oh Tracy.

Speaker 4 (13:06):
If you don't, if you if you don't, well, okay,
I don't even know what to say. If you want
to have night terrors, then you should listen because it
is beyond.

Speaker 5 (13:18):
I'm not gonna lie. I've listened to it like ten
times and laughed my ass off every time. I know
that's not the intent. Okay, that is the intent from me.
Let that be the intent from you. I just can't.

Speaker 4 (13:30):
I just can't get my groove on. I just can't.
It's awful. Just when I think I got my groove on, man,
I flub it up. It's so bad.

Speaker 2 (13:37):
You know.

Speaker 5 (13:39):
Hearing Tracy rap some of these songs is like the
vocal equivalent to watching Elaine Bennis dance from Seinfeld.

Speaker 4 (13:47):
It's kind of dance like that too.

Speaker 2 (13:50):
You do.

Speaker 5 (13:52):
So uh when Ninja just stop hawking up along in
the background, that just totally runs. Has he got no
at all? But here's some of the stuff we got
going on. We're going to announce a little bit later
in the show the winners for the combo poster, signed
poster from Bow from Hillbilly Horror Show, and the DVD.

(14:14):
We got three winners from Twitter and three winners from
our Facebook pace, so we're going to announce those later.
We obviously have our joke of the Day in the
Twisted Thought of the Day coming up, and we're going
to talk a little bit about Scarefest. We've got some
good news to announce about that. And then Brie from
Tennessee Horror News and Promotions is actually going to be

(14:38):
on the show to get a little interview with her.
She's going to tell us this is what the main
reason I wondered on the show. First of all, she's
gonna be at Scarefest with us, and she does represent
Tennessee Horror News and Promotions, so she actually gets to
go out. How cool is this? She gets to go
out and go to all these hundred attractions all over
Gatlinburg and all over Pigeon Forge and Nashville and all

(14:59):
these places. She goes all these haunted attractions, hunted houses
around Halloween time, and she gets to give reviews on them. Yes,
that's part of what she does. And then she goes
all these horror conventions.

Speaker 4 (15:09):
I want her job, and yeah, no shit, that'd be great.

Speaker 5 (15:13):
And this chick, I'm telling you, nobody is more into
horror than her.

Speaker 4 (15:18):
She definitely is.

Speaker 5 (15:19):
Yeah. I mean, every day it's Happy Tuesday, and it's
some kind of Michael Myers slash in somebody's throat. It's
not really that graphic, but it's something like that. But
I mean, like she readid her bedroom and it's like
you see these things pop up where it's like the
sheets and the and the pillowcases and stuff, but it
looks like blood splatter or it looks like a crip sing.
That's the kind of shit she does. She's got a

(15:39):
whole house full of stuff like that.

Speaker 4 (15:41):
That's cool.

Speaker 5 (15:42):
And so yeah, she is one hundred percent of the
watch nothing that if if she's awake, she's watching a
horror movie. So that's you know, it's awesome. But she's
gonna tell us to mean the other reason I wonder
on she does tarot readings, tarot card readings, and she
does weedy board readings and what. Yeah, what's that?

Speaker 1 (16:00):
You know?

Speaker 2 (16:01):
I know what.

Speaker 5 (16:04):
Board is?

Speaker 2 (16:06):
What?

Speaker 4 (16:07):
But how do you do it? You mean she plays
a game?

Speaker 5 (16:10):
No, I mean she's got the board in front of her.
When people ask, she asks the Wiji board to get answered.

Speaker 1 (16:15):
She does not do that.

Speaker 5 (16:16):
She does do that. And she's going to tell us
a little bit that she's going to tell us about
why she doesn't see the problem. But she's gonna tell
us some dudes and some don'ts And I ask her
some questions about the differences between the two, because it
really is a big difference between which type of reading
that you give somebody, whether it's from the Wigia board
or whether it's from the Terrible Court.

Speaker 4 (16:35):
She is Brave yea.

Speaker 5 (16:37):
So we'll have that up in a little bit. But
our story tonight is on the axe Man. Who is
the axe Man? Well, I'm going to tell you that
I don't know, first of all, first and foremost, but
I'm going to make a case that a series of

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axe killings over the court, like forty three years, we're
all done by the same person. And most of these
aren't connected together, or you wouldn't have thought would be
connected together. But I'm gonna break them down in chronological
order to try to tell you how it's very possible

(17:18):
that they all could be the same person. Okay, So
that's what we're gonna do. A lot of people ask us,
and we talked about this a little bit on the
last show. The Veliska House murders, the axe murders, that's
a famous case. The ax Man of New Orleans, that's
a really famous case. In the process of doing this,
we're gonna talk about those two stories, but we're also
going to link them to say they may be the

(17:40):
same person, which most people don't talk about, but I
think that's the case. Okay, so I'm ready to jump
right into this if you are. And this episode is
brought to you by nobody because our sponsors are right out.
But I do want to think show for giving us

(18:02):
basically six gifts to give away very nice and they've
been sponsors for the last couple of weeks and I
want to give a big shout out to them.

Speaker 4 (18:10):
Well, okay, here we go.

Speaker 5 (18:15):
As I said, the Buliska House murders, the axe Man
in New Orleans, those both would be pretty awesome shows,
and we are going to touch on them, but I'm
not going to get into huge detail as if it
was one show, because I think trying to connect the
dots here is an even bigger story than what those
individual stories are. All Right, those are probably the two

(18:40):
most famous cases of families murdered with an axe, Okay,
and like I said, there's several different The Bliska House
murders was one family, but with the axe Man in
New Orleans stories that was several families killed during a
period of time. But those two cases are the two
most famous cases of basically a whole family being slaughtered

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with an axe that.

Speaker 4 (19:01):
Would hurt so bad. I think if I had to
be done that way, I mean, if I had to go,
I would not want to go with an axe at all. Oh,
I'm sorry, I just thought i'd say that, so you
can go ahead with your story.

Speaker 5 (19:13):
You know what I'm saying that it's a very horrible
smelling body spray. I would not want that either.

Speaker 2 (19:18):
It is not.

Speaker 4 (19:19):
That's sexy. That's what sexy guys wear.

Speaker 5 (19:22):
Okay, Okay, go ahead. Several of these cases across the
US that supposedly weren't connected or very similar to what
happened in these two cases though, So that's what we're
going to talk about. All of these happened from eighteen
seventy nine to nineteen twenty two, at the span of
forty three years. The chilling similarities between the first case

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we're going to talk about and the very last case
are chilling to the bone of how similar they really are,
which is what really is going to tie it together. Okay. Now,
despite the span of years and the fact that these
happened all over the country, there's a possibility that all

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of them might be connected now forty three years. Obviously
he's a long time. But the reality of it is,
if he started in his early twenties, and I'm assuming
it's a heat, and he would have been in the
sixties when all this was said and done. Now, if
you think about it, that's about the average time that
a person works in their life. They start in their twenties,
were killer's sixties, So that wouldn't be completely out of

(20:29):
the question that somebody could have spent forty so much
years just being a serial killer.

Speaker 4 (20:33):
Damn, his arms must have been tired in that axe.
He must have probably all bulked up and stuff.

Speaker 5 (20:40):
He's like, here, Lizzie Borden, here, hope my beer.

Speaker 4 (20:42):
Yeah, that's right.

Speaker 5 (20:45):
So anyway, if this is the case, it would make
this person the most prolific serial killer of all time. Wow,
think about that. I'm going to share several cases with
you today that show how this is possible. So let's
start with eighteen seventy nine Martin and Susan. The four

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were an elderly couple. They lived alone on Icewell Road
and in Atlanta, Georgia suburb. Now on a rainy night, Friday,
seven twenty five, eighteen seventy nine. They were brutally murdered
in their bed with an axe. The attack was so
vicious that they were both nearly decapitated. Their cap was

(21:27):
to dictate it.

Speaker 4 (21:31):
That's not funny.

Speaker 5 (21:33):
The axe used was found in the fireplace, covered in
ashes and blood.

Speaker 4 (21:37):
Oh, okay, that was stupid.

Speaker 5 (21:39):
Well, you're going to see that. That's kind of the
common thing. So it appeared that the killer had been
hiding out in a room upstairs for a few days
before the murders. They found a muddy footprint that was
kind of coming from a window, so that's where he
came in from. They also found human feet.

Speaker 4 (22:01):
Well, I mean in the room, oh, from the guy
that was hiding in there. I mean, if you're in
there hiding for somebody, you're gonna shuit yourself, I'm sure
for the next five days.

Speaker 5 (22:10):
Well, nobody said he was in there for five days. No,
I just said he'd been in there for a few days.

Speaker 4 (22:17):
Okay. Well, I just thought maybe if he's been in
there a few days, he probably did have to go
to the bathroom.

Speaker 5 (22:20):
Well, the killer patiently waited for Friday night to kill him.
Barefoot prints were also found heading to the house from
the woodshed where he got the axe. Okay, robbery was
not a motive because several valuable the articles and money
and stuff, including their silver collection, was all left right
in plain sight. So the murderer was in no hurry

(22:43):
to leave the house because he also helped himself to
some food and some milk before or after the kill.
The could have been either one.

Speaker 4 (22:50):
But you know, make yourself at home there, buddy.

Speaker 5 (22:53):
Despite a huge man hunt, the killer was never found
and it's still unsolveted.

Speaker 4 (22:57):
You're kidding me, No way he found him.

Speaker 5 (22:58):
Oh do you think if they have found him after
the first murder we've been talking about this plan.

Speaker 4 (23:03):
I mean, that's true, but I can't believe. But like,
they couldn't do something with that footprint.

Speaker 5 (23:08):
Well in eighteen seventy nine, I'm guessing that forensics weren't
probably what they were today.

Speaker 4 (23:12):
All these stupid things happened way back in the years where.

Speaker 5 (23:14):
You could not They actually didn't have cell phones back then.

Speaker 4 (23:18):
Just for the record, Okay, I guess I'm never gonna
live that one down.

Speaker 5 (23:22):
So the fact that the robbery wasn't a motive is
going to be a key in trying to tile these
different murders together because it's it's definitely a recurring theme
and all these were going to talk about. So five
years later, five years so there was a gap here,
But we'll get into these gaps a little bit later too.
Five years later, on December thirtieth, nineteen eighty four, in Austin, Texas,

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nine o one West Pecan.

Speaker 4 (23:45):
Street, Pan.

Speaker 5 (23:48):
I know it's I say Pecan, but everybody else is
I'm wrong. So on nine o one West Pacon Street,
twenty five year old Molly Smith was sleeping when an
unknown person attacked her with an axe. Now while she
was still alive, he drug her out to the backyard,
where he raped her and then murdered her. Once again,
no robbery had occurred.

Speaker 4 (24:09):
Okay, I know we're continuing. I just don't understand how
somebody can be hiding in your house.

Speaker 5 (24:14):
Well, nobody said she He was.

Speaker 4 (24:15):
No, No, I'm still back on the first story. I mean,
how can you not notice somewhere, somehow that somebody is
in your house. I don't get it.

Speaker 5 (24:24):
I don't know.

Speaker 4 (24:25):
I mean, seriously, there's only so many places in the house.

Speaker 5 (24:28):
And do you know if they're hiding in an attic
or something, and you don't go to the attic.

Speaker 4 (24:34):
I guess you think they were to hear something. He's
got to move.

Speaker 5 (24:38):
Well, there is a story where we'll get into some
of that later. So obviously this murder shocked the city,
and the perpetrator was never caught. Now we've got another
case of no robbery when they could have, and somebody
being attacked with an axe while they were sleeping. Several
months later, on May seventh, eighteen eighty five, neighbors heard

(25:01):
screams coming from three to zero two East Cypress Street,
the house of Eliza Shelley. She was thirty years old.
Now keep in mind this is still Austin, Texas, wherethy
one we just had. When neighbors got there and went
in the house, they almost passed out from the site.
Eliza had been so viciously attacked that her head was
split split in two, and her brain was exposed. Her

(25:24):
sheets were bright red stained from all the massive loss
of blood. They found one single bloody footprint, but no
one was ever caught, no sign of any ribbery, so
this was no he didn't have anything to do.

Speaker 4 (25:44):
Gosh, that sounds awful.

Speaker 5 (25:45):
So obviously, after these two brittle murders, the city was
in a panic, but the horror would only worsen as
far other people were found slaughtered in their bed by
the wave of an axe.

Speaker 4 (25:55):
Oh man, how scary is that to be living back
in those days.

Speaker 5 (26:00):
Christmas Eve eighteen eighty five, two more people were found
butchered in their home. None of the previous six had
anything taken from them. Okay, suddenly the killings just stopped.

Speaker 4 (26:14):
Well, he should feel bad doing it all Christmas Eve.

Speaker 5 (26:17):
I'm sure that's I'm sure that was his concern, being
the religious man that he obviously was. No gifts for you, buddy,
I think that's right into the Santa Claus lis. He
knows when you were sleeping, and he knows when you
kill people in an axe.

Speaker 4 (26:30):
That's terrible.

Speaker 5 (26:32):
So the six that were killed, Mary Raymie Iron Cross,
Graysy Vans, Orange Washington, Eula Phillips, and Susan Hancock all
were murdered in their bed with and acts. In all instances,
the weapon was left behind in some cases of bloody footprint,
but bloodhounds could not track down any of the culprits.

Speaker 4 (26:53):
That's amazing.

Speaker 5 (26:54):
Here's a strange fact that no dogs were ever heard barking,
even though in some cases there were some that were
in fenced in yards right at the properties of this.

Speaker 4 (27:04):
Wow, well that is kind of weird.

Speaker 5 (27:07):
So you see, out of all the murders we've talked
about so far.

Speaker 4 (27:10):
He didn't kill the dogs.

Speaker 5 (27:11):
Well no, I don't guess. Okay, out of all the
murders we talked about so far, in almost every instance
they were attacked while they were in bed. There was
no robbery, and he left the weapon behind almost every time.
So that sounds a lot like the same person.

Speaker 4 (27:26):
Yeah, it sure does.

Speaker 5 (27:29):
We're going to pick up this story twelve years later
in Paradise Ridge, Tennessee, which is close to Nashville. So
now he's went first from the first murder to the second,
it was like a five year gap. Now from that
there was a string, and now there's like a twelve
year gap. Ten PM, March twenty third, eighteen ninety seven,
a man went to get some water before going to bed,

(27:49):
and then he kind of noticed out the window that
there was a fire kind of off in a distance,
but it was in the same area of where his
neighbors loved him, right that the Aid family what was
her name? He rode over and found that all the
house that was there in all the outbuildings were all
on fire. Some of the buildings had already fallen. They
had been burning for so long. It started to rain,

(28:12):
so that kind of put things out, So he was
able to go to the farmhouse and he kind of
stumbled upon a grizzly scene. The entire Aid family, Jacob
who was sixty, his wife Pauline who was fifty, his
daughter Lizzie who was twenty, and his son Harry thirteen
had all been murdered with an axe. After reconstructing the

(28:35):
crime scene, it was believed that the family was in
the parlor around eight o'clock and intruder killed mister Aid
while he still sat in the chair with an axe
at the head. The rest of the family looked like
they had tried to escape, but they were killed one
by one. The body of a ten year old neighbor
girl was later found. Her name was Rosa Maria. She

(28:59):
wasn't as bad badly burned as the other so it's
kind of believed that she escaped and he tracked her down,
killed her and threw her back into the burning house.

Speaker 4 (29:09):
Oh my god, I hate him, he sucks.

Speaker 5 (29:13):
She was found with one hand raised above her head
and her hand had been cut off and her head
was split open. Once again, robbery was not a mote
of large amounts of cash invaluables were right within reach.

Speaker 4 (29:27):
Wow, she's not much for changing things up, is he.

Speaker 5 (29:31):
Noah, As in some of the others, he had prepared
a meal before burning a house down, So this is
just like some Just like some of the other ones,
he did actually prepare a meal and the axe was
found there. So that's the same old Now twelve years.
You know, was there something that happened in between those
twelve years. It's just not being reported as possible. So

(29:53):
now let's jump to nineteen eleven. This is fourteen years later.
So think about this. Keep in mind it was twelve
years before or the other one. Fourteen years. Now, that's
a long stretch of just having one. You got twenty
six years with one murder in between that stretch. Yeah,
but it's getting ready to pick up. So twelve years

(30:13):
from murder, today's family now fourteen years or nothing. It's
possible that he went dormant, because a lot of serial
killers do do that. But he was killing people at
a clip in the in the Austin Texas days where
it just seems kind of odd he could do that.
My guess is that he didn't just drop off and

(30:36):
quick killing people. There either was just no record some
of the people he killed, or they arrested the wrong suspects,
So that's very possible. So he just didn't get to
blame on that. But or he just was killing people
and you know nobody knew about it, yeah, because he
could have been disposing the bodies or something like that.

(30:58):
So on June eighth, nineteen eleve and, a family of
four was killed by an axe near Portland, Oregon. Now
he's went from keep in mind, he started off in Atlanta, Georgia,
went to Austin, Texas, and then you know, back and forth,
and he went to Tennessee. Now he's all the way
across the country in Oregon. The it's disturbing to hear

(31:21):
about all these kids stuff killed, but it's you know,
it's what happened. So the family of four was killed
by an ax murder or by an axe. The kids
were found in the bed and the parents were found
in another part of the house. No motive, no robbery.
Once again, an axe was left at the scene. A
month later, in Rainy, Washington, which least is in that

(31:45):
negative Woods. A concerned neighbor went into the home of
mister and missus Archie Kerbal. They had both been murdered
in their bed. Nothing was taken, very similar to the
events in Oregon. Two months later, on September seventeenth, in

(32:05):
Colorado Springs, someone obviously with an axe entered the house
of Alice May We're ruined and killed her, her six
year old daughter, and her three year old son, all
while they were in their bed. Missus Bernouin sister found

(32:26):
her body like three days after this happened. After seeing
obviously the mangled bodies, she ran out and then started
screaming for neighbors, and all the neighbors came out and
was trying to find out what was going on, except
for one house that was her very next door neighbors,

(32:47):
where the Wayne family lived. Neighbors quickly went in to
check on them, only to find that Henry Wayne, his
wife Blanche, and their one year old baby had all
been killed in their beds. Damn it, skulls crushed acts
found nearby. He came in through a window and after
killing him, he actually made all the beds and tucked

(33:08):
each one of them men.

Speaker 4 (33:09):
Oh man, what a sick o. Oh my gosh, nothing
was How does one's mind work like that.

Speaker 5 (33:18):
We'll probably fixed. We're gonna get to a point later
to where you're gonna hear something that may if this
is the same person will answer some of that. Oh
my gosh. Once again, nothing was missing from either house,
and both houses were locked from the inside. Now this
is unusual because back in this time people didn't lock
their houses. Yeah, so, especially out in little communities like that.

(33:43):
So thirteen days later the first Presbyterian church, all these
people arrived for service, but the doors were locked, so
they called the caretaker, William Dawson. He was the guy
who was supposed unlock the doors, but he didn't answer
the phone. So a few of the men went to
his house and they saw all the blinds were closed.

(34:03):
They found mister and Missus Dawson, their teenage daughter, all dead,
with their skulls crushed. Robbery once again wasn't a motive.
Two weeks later, in Ellsworth, Kansas, a neighbor was worried
about the Sherman family. She'd been calling and calling, but
nobody ever answered the phone. She went to check and

(34:25):
mister and missus Sherman and three kids had all been
killed with an axe that had been taken from the
neighbor's yard. A piece of clothing, though this was a
little unique, was actually thrown over top of the telephone,
possibly to muffle the ringing, so as possible, this was
going on at the same time she was calling. Oh,

(34:48):
she should have been more proactive and went over there,
and she could have stopped it or or got her
head basheding.

Speaker 4 (34:52):
Oh, definitely.

Speaker 5 (34:54):
Two weeks later in Mount Pleasant, Iowa, now keep in mind,
we went across country and now we went from Oregon
to Washington, was together to Colorado Springs, and now we're
in Kansas and Iowa. Now it's almost like making its
way back towards the middle of the United States. So
and all these things are you know, nothing's like, Oh,

(35:15):
it's on the East coast, and then two weeks later
it's on the West coast. They're all within reach of
each other, even back then with you know, lesser travel.
Two weeks later, in Mount Pleasant, Iowa, JB. Jordan left
the door for work and forgot to lock the door.
Twenty minutes later, his son heard his mom screaming from downstairs,
and he rushed down there to find her with a

(35:36):
massive head wound. She was covering in blood. She soon
went into like a little pat passed out on into
like a little deep sleep, and when she woke up,
she couldn't remember anything, but she was blind for the
rest of her life. So this is one case where
he actually came in there but didn't succeed and what
he was trying to do, but she was asleep when

(35:58):
it happened. Very similar to those situations. No robbery, nothing
like that. Nineteen twelve, All right, now, let's get ahead.
In nineteen twelve, this is eight months later, he returns
to Kansas to Paola. A neighbor was concerned that a
young couple twenty one year old Rowan Hudson and his
wife hadn't been seen for a while, so he went

(36:19):
to the house. Both murdered in bed. Screen had been cut,
nothing taken from the house. That same night, oddly enough,
a family woke up because a lamp kind of crashed
to the floor and the man was seen leaving the
house through the window. They obviously were very lucky because
the sheriff seems to think that the same man who
had murdered. The couple were the same one was the

(36:40):
same one that was in the house, and by knocking
over a lamp it made him just go ahead and leaves.
He figured he probably woke some people up.

Speaker 4 (36:47):
It's just hard to believe all these murders and nobody
has a clue about nothing. Yep, it makes no damn sense.

Speaker 5 (36:53):
So less than a week later, the killer returns to Iowa,
this time to Veliska. So now we get into the
famous Aliska murder House. June eleventh, nineteen twelve, Mary Peckham
went to check on a neighbor because they hadn't been
out doing the morning chores. As usual, most people kept
the doors and locked. Back then we already discussed that

(37:14):
she turned the door to try to get in, but
it was locked, so she called a neighbor that actually
had a key. When they entered the house, they made
a very gruesome discovery. The entire war family had been murdered.
Josiah forty three, Sarah thirty nine, daughter Catherine ten, and
three sons, Herman eleven, Arthur seven, and Paul five, plus

(37:35):
two girls that were sleeping over Lena and Ena Inna,
Marie Stalling eight and twelve years old. All of them
killed in the exact same way. Now, mister Moore had
received so many blows to his face that his corpse
was unrecognizable. His eyes were missing. The axe was swung

(37:57):
so fiercely that there were aljas on the ceiling from
the upswing. Bloody axe was found downstairs where the girls
had been sleeping. One of the girls had apparently woke
up during the attack because a deep wound on her
arm from the trying to protect herself. The funny thing
about this part was every mirror in the house was

(38:19):
actually covered with clothing similar to the telephone. But this
was a new occurrence three eerily similar similar aspects to
the very first to forem murders. Is the same as
the Bliska house, So they were the ones in Atlanta
we talked about. Nothing was stolen. He spent time in

(38:41):
the house where he had he mixed hisself some food
once again in this case, and he had hidden in
the attic for some time in this deal. So in
the Bliska house he had also hidden in the attic.
So this is another case just like the first one.
It had happened so many years before.

Speaker 4 (38:59):
Well, I mean, why do you think put I mean
the stuff over the mirror.

Speaker 5 (39:03):
I don't know. People always have I guess thoughts that
mirrors can be gateways and stuff like that. So maybe
he just didn't want to see hisself. I don't know,
because I mean, if this is the same person, who
knows how his thought process is going from years to
years and years with maybe guilt or what have you.

(39:25):
There's a ten year search after the Bliska House murders.
Nobody was ever found in this ten years to fit
the description. Now here is the funny thing about the
Buliska House. There's all kinds of talks of it being haunting.
You can actually go now and take tours at his house.
In twenty fifteen, a ghost hunter staying in the house

(39:47):
on an overnight deal stabbed hisself in the chest at
one am deliberately, and he says he has no idea
why he did it.

Speaker 4 (39:58):
That's pretty stupid.

Speaker 5 (40:02):
Nineteen fourteen, two years later, a family in Blue Allen,
Illinois was found murdered in their bed. Jacob Missflick, his wife,
adult daughter, and grand baby. Nothing was taken, nobody ever caught.
Nineteen eighteen to nineteen nineteen, several people were murdered with
an axe in and around New Orleans. This is the

(40:22):
famous New Orleans axe Man. May of nineteen eighteen to
October of nineteen nineteen. Most were killed in their beds
after the killer had broke into their home at night.
Nothing of value was ever taken from any of the victims,
even when it was right there in plain sight. All

(40:44):
blows from the axe were almost exclusively to the head
and to the neck, and the axe was always found nearby.
One new factor that appeared in this case, though, was
a letter that he actually sent to police in the newspaper.
I'm not going to read the whole letter, but this
is pretty messed up. Here is part of what he

(41:05):
says in a letter, and this may give you an
idea of his mindset. He starts it off with esteemed mortal.
They have never caught me, and never will. They have
never seen me, for I am invisible, even as the
ether that surrounds the earth. I am not a human being,
but a spirit and a demon from the hottest hell.

(41:29):
I am what you Orleanians and your foolish police call
the axe man. When I see fit, I shall come
and claim other victims. I alone know who they shall be.
I shall leave no clues, but my bloody acts besmeared

(41:57):
with my blood and brains of I've sent below to
keep me company.

Speaker 4 (42:04):
Okay, that makes it even worse because if it was
an actual individual, he's gonna die eventually, even if you
don't get caught. But now you're saying he's not a human,
he's a spirit that's doing this shit.

Speaker 5 (42:20):
That's what he says, that's at least his mentality.

Speaker 4 (42:23):
Well, I hope it's not the case, because now I'm scared.
So you had to go do a dang story one.

Speaker 5 (42:29):
So here's how we're going to start tying all this
stuff together. New Orleans nineteen twenty two, obviously, you know,
was when it was a huge port city. Okay, it
always was still is huge port city, so a lot
of international shipping traffic. It's conceivable that the killer could

(42:49):
have jumped on a ship and went elsewhere at this
point because they stopped in the United States a couple
of years before that. Okay, But what we're going to
do real quick is we're going to take a quick
break and talk about the giveaways we got, and then
we're going to get into where all this ties together

(43:11):
and who we think the Axe Man is sure, so
let's do that. Let's talk about our winners for the
Hillbilly Horror Show giveaway. Our Facebook winners was Keenan Keydrick,
Andy Villanueva, and Monica Quinn.

Speaker 4 (43:32):
Congratulations, y'all.

Speaker 5 (43:33):
Yep, thank you guys for participating. You from when you
do that and on Twitter, Siberius seven seven seven Susan
her Hers is actually a life of a Dinosaur And
I'm a gosh darned mob.

Speaker 4 (43:50):
Well, I think that is awesome that you are and
you just won, and that's amazing.

Speaker 5 (43:55):
It is amazing, that's wonderful. We're very happy and thought
we throw in the joke of the day here, just
kind of lighting the stuff up a little bit. So
I was having trouble with the website earlier today, so
I called a friend of mine that's an IT. He's
used to kind of solving these little problems. Yea, And
he said, have you disabled your cookies? And I said, well,

(44:16):
I one time bit the legs off of a gingerbread man.

Speaker 4 (44:19):
Oh gosh, lame, lame, you know it was funny.

Speaker 5 (44:24):
Now yeah, sorry, Okay, So let's get back into this
this axe man deal. Here's where we're going to try
to make a connection. And why we're making this connection now.
In the years leading up to the fore murder, which
was the very first one, okay, seven million German immigrants
came to America. It doubled the population of German immigrants

(44:49):
just in that couple of year period. Is it possible
that somebody came in through Savannah, because that's where a
lot of these people were coming through the Savanna area.
Savannah is only a couple hour trip to Atlanta, Georgia.
Is it possible that an immigrant from Germany could have

(45:11):
came in through Savannah and then made their way to Atlanta,
make this first killing, and then just started making their
way across the country.

Speaker 4 (45:22):
I don't know.

Speaker 5 (45:24):
Well, if you think about it, a young German immigrant,
remember we said he could be in the twenties, A
young German immigrant could have come in, committed murders for
forty some odd years and then decided, hey, I'm close
to retirement age. Not that you'd be retire from being
an axe murder or something, but you're close to retirement

(45:47):
age and maybe you want to go back to your
native country of Germany. Why am I saying this? Why
am I just accusing Germans of this, because four years
after the last murder in the United States in New Orleans,
there was a very ghastly murder in Germany that looked

(46:13):
very suspiciously like one of these. Okay, it matched almost
every single aspect of the murders that happened the United States.
So a German father by the name of Andrea Gruber,
he owned land in Bavaria, and he told his neighbor
one day that he had seen footprints in the snow
leading up to his house, but none leading back. It

(46:35):
was leading up from the woods. Oh yeah, he said.
He also heard footsteps in the attic like you were
asking earlier, and a set of his keys were missing.
He said, he searched all over the place, he couldn't
find anybody. He looked all through the house, he looked
in the outbuildings and stuff. He couldn't find anybody anywhere. Now,

(46:58):
several days later, on April fourth, nineteen ten, twenty two,
no one had seen any of the family members. So
the neighbors had discovered went over and they said, hey,
knowing what he told us, and there was some mail
and stuff that was mailman had been bringing mail and
he noticed that nobody was taking the mail. So the
neighbors decided to go in there, and what they found
was the two year old son and a maid had

(47:20):
been killed in their bed with a matic. No matic
is an axe, but it's got like a pick on
one end and an axe on the other, kind of
like you would see fireman cheese.

Speaker 4 (47:27):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (47:29):
So anyway, they so they find this maid killed and
the kid, and the bodies of the rest of the family,
Mister and Missus Skruber, a thirty five year old daughter
named Victoria, and their seven year old granddaughter were all
found in a nearby barn where they had been lured
one by one and slaughtered. Now autopsy revealed that the
seven year old probably survived for several hours next to

(47:52):
the mangled bodies of her family. Large chunks of her
hair had been missing from her scalp, where she actually
to doubt herself. As with all the murders in the US,
all the bodies had been covered up with sheets or straw.
The problem wasn't obviously robbery, or you know, the motive

(48:18):
wasn't robbery because nothing was taken and there was a
large sum of money right there in the living room.
Suit or in the living room that could have been taken.
The killer didn't leave immediately because he actually had some meals,
and some neighbors had actually seen smoke coming from the
chimney a day after the family had supposedly been killed

(48:39):
based on the autopsy, so he had started fires and
actually sat in there, ate and everything else. The killer
obviously was well skilled with an axe because the blows
were so precise and delivered with such confidence. According to police,
over one hundred people were interviewed, but no one was
ever arrested due to a lack of evidence. The heads

(49:03):
of the victims were sent to Munich for evidence, but
were somehow lost. How do you lose heads? How do
you lose seven heads?

Speaker 4 (49:10):
Police got the evidence, the.

Speaker 5 (49:13):
Headless bodies were buried. The maid sadly enough, that used
to work there. She had quit six months before because
she said she thought the place was haunted. She leaves
this lady, the new maid that was killed. This was
her I think first down a job. Oh nice, Yeah,
it was her first, her first sleepover. And the farmhouse
was torn down a year later, and there's now a

(49:35):
memorial that stands there in memorial to the family. I
told you this thing would be tying in because this
was the last murder that we got record of. But
this murder in Germany was almost exactly the same as
the very first murder where he hung out in an
attic and then killed everybody in their beds, covered a

(49:59):
month and then stayed around in eight food and stuff.
So it does not seem similar even though that was
forty three years earlier. Doesn't that seem very similar that
that could be the same person who had committed all
these murders. If that's the case, sixty one people are
all tied to the cases we just talked about. The

(50:20):
sad thing is is there's probably more, because here are
some cases that we didn't even didn't get connected just
because of lack of time. Nineteen eleven, Rained, Louisiana mother
and four children all killed while they slept. February the
same year, in Crowley, Louisiana, the buyer's family was completely killed.

(50:41):
A few weeks later, in Lafayette, Louisiana, five members of
the Andres family were killed. In April, five members of
the Gasaway family. November twenty sixth of nineteen eleven, five
members of the Norbert and Randall family were all killed
while they slept. January ninth of nineteen twelve, five members
of the Warren family in Crowley, Louisiana. January twenty first,

(51:04):
Lake Charles, Louisiana, five men of the Felix or five
members of the Felix Brusard family. And that same month
in six members of the Wexford family were killed. April eleventh,
nineteen twelve in San Antonio, Texas, five members of the
William Burton family. April thirteenth, nineteen twelve, three killings in Hempstead, Texas.

(51:29):
August sixth of nineteen twelve, several more murders in San Antonio.
And November seventeen, nineteen seventeen, three members of the Aller
family in Virginia, Minnesota was killed. And here's where all
this ties in. There was a note found under the
table of that one, but it was written in German

(51:50):
and that was November of nineteen seventeen, which was five
years before the murder in Germany. So that is why
I say that I think all of the have to
be connected in one way, shape or form. There can't
be that many people just were around killing people with
access for no reason and eating in their house and
with the German letter there and in the murder in Germany.

(52:13):
It just seems to all tied that it was probably
a German immigrant that came over, did all this and
left and went back.

Speaker 4 (52:18):
Yeah. He's mean and ugly and rude apparently.

Speaker 5 (52:24):
So what do you think? Does that sound to you
like it could be the same person?

Speaker 4 (52:28):
Kind of sounds like it. You sure did a lot
of traveling on his journey.

Speaker 5 (52:32):
Yeah, well he had forty three years to do it.

Speaker 4 (52:34):
Yeah, and he sucks.

Speaker 5 (52:37):
Let's get into our interview with Brie that we had
from Tennessee Horror News and Promotions, and I think you'll
enjoy this all right, Welcome back, everybody. I have a
special guest with me, this young lady I've had the
pleasure of knowing three or four months now. And trust
me when I tell you, nobody is into horror like

(52:59):
this young lady. Nobody. She is more fascinated with horror
than I think Linda Blair is. So that that says
a lot. With me on the phone right now from
Tennessee Horror News and Promotions, I have the lovely Brie
and most of you, if you're on Twitter, you know
hers embombised. She's all over PlayStation and playing the games

(53:22):
and stuff on there on the live feeds and stuff.
So I'm sure most of you know here. She's got
about almost five thousand followers on there, So welcome to
the phone, Brie. How are you doing today, Debris?

Speaker 2 (53:31):
Thank you so much for having me on. I'm really
happy to be here and I'm doing very very well good.

Speaker 5 (53:36):
I've been trying to get you on forever, but you
keep shunning me. So you're a business, you know, but
you were constantly out doing something for Tennessee News and Promotions.
Why don't you tell me a little bit about about
that group and tell me what you do for them?

Speaker 2 (53:55):
Primarily all Rightighty Tennessee Horror News and Promotions. We have
been around since April thirteenth of twenty fourteen. And the
two men that actually started at, Jim jam and Johnny Leroy,
they approached me on Twitter one day. I had been
on there talking about horror stuff and all that, and

(54:16):
I'm in the Nashville area, Nashville, Tennessee, and they asked me,
you know, how would you feel about joining the team
and writing horror movie reviews? And it just kind of
branched out from there and I've been with them for
a little bit over a year now and I absolutely
love it. I cover all kinds of stuff now. Like
I said, I started with the horror movie reviews and

(54:37):
then I actually branched off into horror conventions and also
do Haunted attraction reviews as well.

Speaker 5 (54:44):
How many conventions would you say you probably do a
year this year?

Speaker 2 (54:49):
Let me say here, I have to sit here and count.
My first one this year was in January. It was
hont Koon down here in Nashville, and that was so amazing.
We got to actually go to a lot of the
attractions that opened up down here, which we know, you know,
the majority of all of them here. We're all pretty
close and that was great. And let me see two.

(55:11):
I think I have gone to four.

Speaker 5 (55:12):
This year, and you're getting ready to be at Scarefest,
which is why I'm having you on the main reason
of the timing is what it is. In two weeks
we got scare fust Fest in Lexington, and you're gonna
be there with us.

Speaker 2 (55:23):
Yes, I sure am. I cannot wait. Actually, I tell
you what I see. One was it last month I
was there working with trauma at the Days of the
Dead Indianapolis one. That was the last one I was at,
And I was just thinking about Linda Blair when you
were talking about her earlier. She's the only one out
of any horriflick that I've ever watched my entire life

(55:45):
that can just terrify the heck out of me. And
I am so proud that she's not going to be
at Scarefest. She was at the last one I worked for,
and I was terrified. I was scared to even go
down that area. It was horrible.

Speaker 5 (55:56):
Yeah, they were. They were in Louisville, I think the
first weekend of September, and I wanted to get down
there and couldn't get down there. But of course we
got you know, the King of Kings. Well you won't
agree with that, but Freddy Krueger Robert England to be
with us.

Speaker 2 (56:12):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (56:12):
Of course, anybody who follows you knows that you are
a complete Michael Myers freak. So there is no replacement
in the slasher films other than Michael Myers as far
as you're concerned.

Speaker 2 (56:24):
That's right, people, It's a running joke on Twitter and
on Instagram and especially like people around the area that
now me for the horror events and stuff that always
come up to me and they're like, hey, where's your
boyfriend Michael Myers? Or if I'm in a haunted attraction,
they'll say, hey, I just saw your boyfriend in there.

Speaker 5 (56:41):
Now, for those of you who aren't familiar with Bree,
some of the stuff that she has, you actually have
a signed mask. Correct. Yes, she also has a knife,
a Butcher knife that she just purchased that has like
a lasered picture of Michael Myers on the blade.

Speaker 2 (57:00):
Do with Tennessee Horn News. I'm getting ready to do
those monthly subscription unboxings on the YouTube channel.

Speaker 5 (57:09):
Oh yeah, the one.

Speaker 2 (57:10):
Yeah, And I got that for that because everybody seems
like every time I see one of those unboxing channels,
they always have a special like little little knife, you know,
I butcher knife whatever that they open it with. And
I thought, what better then to buy something, especially off
of a friend of mine that's on Twitter that makes
this kind of stuff. And I saw the Michael Myers
one and I was just thought, you know, it was

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less than eight dollars on et Sea and I had
to jump on that.

Speaker 5 (57:35):
Let's see over under on Michael Myers t shirts that
you have. I'm placing it at about thirty seven.

Speaker 2 (57:41):
You know, Unfortunately I don't have as many as I
wish I did. I think I have more Tennessee Horn
News shirts, which kind of makes sense, really.

Speaker 5 (57:50):
I think I have.

Speaker 2 (57:51):
I think I have about five or six Michael Myers shirts,
which is pretty sad. Actually, you think i'd be wearing
more of my boyfriend, you know.

Speaker 5 (57:59):
You would think. You know, I've been super excited about
meeting you in person because we've not met in person,
and we just we rented tables right next to each
other for scarefests and then just found out last night
that they are moving us to a booth. So after
three or four months of thinking we're gonna be side
by side during this thing, we're actually going to be

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now separated by quite a little bit from where your
table's going to be to where others our booth is.
But you know, it's it's a good opportunity for us.
And and like you said, uh, you know, you're used
to going to these things, so you've got so many
friends at these functions. We don't know anybody, so it'd
be unique for us, but the same old, same old
for you.

Speaker 2 (58:39):
Oh yeah, I've actually never been to the scare Fest,
so I'm really, really really excited to go to this one.
This is one that I've never checked out before. And
this year, I believe they are saying that they're celebrating
ten years of terror. Yeah, so it should be pretty
awesome too.

Speaker 5 (58:54):
Yeah, it's it's it's got a lot of people there
and uh, Tracy Lord's is going to be there, which,
oddly enough, we had just watched her on Celebrity Wife
Swap this morning and I didn't even realize she was
going to be there, and then I looked after the
fact that I was like, I can't believe that we
just watched her this morning and she's actually going to
be there. So it's pretty cool.

Speaker 2 (59:13):
Yeah, I'm excited to see oh so many people actually,
but I'm say my top ones will be obviously Robert England,
the Man, Freddy Krueger, himself, Kane Hodder. When I worked
the Days of the Dead Indie, he was staying a
couple of hotel rooms down for me and I had
no idea until that Saturday morning I went to go

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catch my elevator to go downstairs to work, and he
caught the elevator with men so did ken Fory, which
was pretty cool. Can you to see him? That's neat.

Speaker 5 (59:46):
Yeah, Caine's there every year almost. I think he's been
there at least the last three or four years that
I've went. He's a he's a regular staple there. Yeah,
it's it's just there's a plethora of people going to
be there that just the Ghost Brothers are going to
be there. I'm kind of excited about that. Chip Coffee'll
be there. He's at most of those things, but yeah,
I'm excited about it. Now. One of the reasons that

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I wanted to bring you on is not just to
talk about scarefest stuff. You actually are familiar with a
couple of topics that I'm not real familiar with, and
I thought it would be nice for you to share
some of your insight on a couple of topics. First
of all, you do readings. Not not a professional by
any means, but you're pretty well versed in doing readings

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for terra cards and for Ouija boards. So you don't
see anything wrong with either one of those things.

Speaker 2 (01:00:33):
Correct, you know, honestly, I don't. I see them as
a divination tool. I don't see them as negative things.
They are what you make them.

Speaker 5 (01:00:41):
I feel like a lot of people are just terrified
of them, and me being one of them. Not so
much with the tarot readings, but with the Ouiji boards,
I have not had good experiences and I basically won't
go around one. That's just my personal take on it.
But the hard readings are different. I've got a young

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lady friend of mine, she actually does some of this.
Here's my question for you on that, and then I'll
actually let you tell tell me what really happens in
these readings. But I was always curious, at least with
a wige aboard. If you're going to do a reading
on a wige of board, it can go in every
different direction. You never really know where that oracle can go.

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But with cards, I mean, the cards are already when
you pick those cards up, they're already in a certain
placement in your hand. So I was always curious about
how as you're flipping the cards over, how does that
tell anything about the other person when they're already in
a certain order as soon as you pick them up.
Does that make sense?

Speaker 1 (01:01:44):
Well?

Speaker 2 (01:01:44):
Yes, that makes completely sense. That makes complete sense. When
I do my tarot, I shuffle my cards for each
individual person before I get the reading. And I know
another thing too. I always ask, like one said, question,
you know, what are you what are you seeking knowledge of?
Because with tarot, taro and oija, they do two different things. Cao.

(01:02:07):
You communicate with your higher self, your intuition, your sub
conscious mind, some conscious mind, your soul. You know, like
you look in inwards as wija, it's complete opposite. You're
looking outwards. You're not using inner self and things like that.
You are actually trying to talk to spirits outside. As

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far as you know, I mean, you could be communicating
with you know and say you're doing it in your house.
You be communicating with a spirit that died on the
property years ago, you know. And as far as tarot,
you could concentrate uh and and speak with ancestors of
yours spirit guys I called them, and other elemental beings

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and things like that to give you knowledge.

Speaker 5 (01:02:51):
Okay, So on the on the card readings, it's pretty
much going to be someone or something connected with you, all.

Speaker 2 (01:02:59):
Right, Yes, typically yes, it is more outside.

Speaker 5 (01:03:04):
So do you have a preference when you're trying to
give somebody a reading or is it really based on
the individual and the instance that you're dealing with.

Speaker 2 (01:03:13):
You know, honestly, I prefer Tarot I do Terror typically,
from what I've experienced, is going to be a more
positive experience, which with both you always you always set
your clear intention before you do anything with either one
of them. But with terror, like I said, it's it's
more of your higher self or subconscious and things like that,

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and that's that's easier to pull information and specific specific
meanings and such for other people when you do tarot.

Speaker 5 (01:03:44):
Can you mentioned a more positive experience with the cards?
What would? What would? What do you think the reason
for that is?

Speaker 2 (01:03:52):
Well, like I said, with cards, I mean you could
be primarily what I speak with on that would be
with spirit GUIDs, And like I said, the spirit guides
I consider like ancestors and such of that nature. It's
much much much more easier to pick up a negative entity,
a demonic energy, things like that with a wija board

(01:04:15):
than it is with your actual tarot cards.

Speaker 5 (01:04:18):
What about to keep things like that? Do you have
some some safety measures, some dues and some don'ts for
for either one of those or for both?

Speaker 2 (01:04:25):
Yeah, actually I have for both. With wija you have
to be very specific of your intent before you start.
There are many many things that you really really need
to follow as far as opening your board. Before you start,
you need to make it clear, like I said, ask
for protection uh from your your your ancestors or you know, God,

(01:04:48):
whoever you call on. You also need to make it
very clear that you're wishing to speak with only positive people,
positive energies, none of the negative. And there are Another
t would be with closing the session. It's so important
with WIJA, very very important. You always thank the spirits
for their messages and verbally announce that you're closing the

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session and move the plan chet that you're using with
your fingers to goodbye on the board. You always do that.
You want to close that board because if you don't,
there could have been other entities, other energies, negatives precisely,
that could have been sitting in that room watching but
not saying a word. And if you do not close
that board out, they have the opportunity to come through

(01:05:32):
and mess with you actually physically in your life.

Speaker 3 (01:05:35):
You know.

Speaker 5 (01:05:35):
So I'm gonna ask you a question, and this is
going to sound like I'm poking fun, but I'm really not.
It's just something I think a lot of people might
be thinking, you know, I understand the whole point of
closing the board out, but it just seems kind of
odd that just because I can take the plan chet
push it to goodbye, that that just automatically eliminates anybody,
any of those spirits from coming through if they were

(01:05:55):
there in the room. It just seems like, you know
what I'm saying, It almost seems like, well, how on
the world is just closing the board keep them from
make them powerless? Basically, right?

Speaker 2 (01:06:04):
And I understand that, uh, you know, honestly, Weja is
the one compared to Taro. Between the two of them,
Weita is the one that you have to be really
really careful with. And unless you really really know what
you're doing, you never ever do it alone, and you
always make sure you have other people with you unless
you're very experienced because of things like this. You know,
it's all about intent. It's all about your intentions. If

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you have the intent for good, good will come through.
If you have intent for bad, bad will come through.
And a lot of people ask that, you know, when
you close the board down, how do I know that
it's closed? You have to trust on your intent, and
you know, just just as as serious as your intent is,
then it will keep those types of spirits away. As
far as that goes, yeah, go a geat.

Speaker 5 (01:06:51):
So what about what the cards? Is there any dos
and don'ts about as far as somebody wanting to get
into this being new to doing readings, Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:07:00):
I have all kinds of information on that for anybody
that really is interested in that kind of stuff. The
biggest one that I can give anyone is start with
your number one universal deck that most pretty much anyone
goes to. It's it's pretty universal, and it's called the
writer Weight deck, and a lot of other decks they

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branch off from there with different artwork, but they all
pretty much remain the same. Typically a deck is seventy
eight cards. You have twenty two major arcana and you
have fifty six minor arcanna. The major arcanna they represent
different suits of sort. The minor arcana you have four
suits of fourteen cards each ten number, and four court

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cards like King, Queen, Knight page, which is also the jack,
your four main suits or swords, ones, cups, and pinnacles,
which are also known as the coins. I'm let me
say what else. Oh, when you're starting with that universe deck,
study each card, study like a card or two a day,
write down in a journal. It could be just a

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simple notebook that you could write down notes, then write
down your thoughts on each card. And then after you
do that, after looking at the symbols and what you
think that that card means as far as reading assembols
on that card, and you write that down in your book,
look up the meaning of that card. You go on
Google if you have to use a book that maybe
you thought and relate it to what you saw on

(01:08:28):
that card. And because you do those two things together
like that, it's going to make it easier for you
to remember what they mean to you. And the biggest
one on top of that is to trust yourself. Intuition
is everything's terror. It is everything that gut feeling that
you get at times when you look at something on
a card and you look at that person that you're

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reading for, or even if you're just pulling a card
to read for your date, think about what that means
to you and how that relates to that card. And
the more you do that, the more you'll learn.

Speaker 5 (01:08:58):
That's pretty cool. I've always been weary of them because
one time I had a deck and I played solitaire
with it and I caused two earthquakes, a hurricane, and
plague Locus. So I just decided that this is probably
not for me.

Speaker 2 (01:09:11):
Boy, I'm telling you what, Man, you really did some
numbers on stuff. Brie.

Speaker 5 (01:09:17):
It's been a blast having you on it. It took
me months of prying to get you to come on
because you are a very private person, and I appreciate
you giving this some time.

Speaker 2 (01:09:28):
Absolutely, I've really enjoyed the talk tonight. You know, it's
been great, and I really thank you so much for
having me on the show.

Speaker 3 (01:09:34):
It's been great.

Speaker 5 (01:09:35):
It's no problem. We love having you on. I'm looking
forward to seeing you.

Speaker 2 (01:09:38):
In a couple of weeks, Yes, sir, thank you so much.

Speaker 5 (01:09:41):
All Right, baby, we'll talk to you soon.

Speaker 2 (01:09:42):
All right, bye.

Speaker 5 (01:09:44):
All right. As you heard in the interview, we originally
had had got tables next to each other, Brie and uh,
Tracy and I, and we're going to do this the
whole Carefest thing together. And we actually got a bump
up because the promoters of Scare Fact actually contacted us
and asked told us they wanted to move us into

(01:10:06):
a way more expensive, but way more prominent booth rather
than just a table. So I thought that was really
cool with them, and so we won't be right next
to each other as we originally planned three or four
months ago when we set this up, but we are
very happy to be in booth ninety seven. So if
you guys are gonna come to Scarefest, that's where we're at,
Booth ninety seven.

Speaker 4 (01:10:25):
Yeah, you guys, come and see us.

Speaker 5 (01:10:28):
Let's talk about real quick. I have I want just
a reminder because we get asked and I keep forgetting
to mention this. I'm not a very good salesperson apparently,
But if you want to buy t shirts, they are
on our website Hillbilly Horror Stories dot com and I've
got all kinds of different colors and options available to you.

(01:10:49):
We switched a while back to nothing but our logo,
so that's I think that's just a little better way
to go, a little less options, but a better option.
So go to our website if you want to get that.
And that's also where you can sign up for Patreon,
because I keep forgetting to post that too.

Speaker 4 (01:11:02):
Yeah sounds great, baby, but.

Speaker 5 (01:11:05):
Your enthusiasm is over the top. I know why. Probably
because you're excited about us doing our twisted thoughts of
the night. I don't understand, so let's do the twisted
thought of the night. In February nineteen twenty three, a
jockey by the name of Frank Hayes. He suffered a

(01:11:27):
fatal heart attack while he was riding Sweet Kiss at
the Belmont Park that's where the famous Belmont races were.

Speaker 4 (01:11:33):
Oh okay, well that's said.

Speaker 5 (01:11:35):
The horse was twenty to one underdog. But even though
he had the heart attack and died, he was able
to stay on the horse long enough for the past
or across the finish line, thus being the only jockey
ever to win a race after he died.

Speaker 2 (01:11:51):
Is that true?

Speaker 5 (01:11:52):
Well, yes, it's true. Well, wo'd I tell you if
it wasn't true.

Speaker 4 (01:11:54):
Oh my gosh. I'm surprised though about that. Somebody probably said, no,
that's not fair that you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 5 (01:12:03):
I mean, I would think, but that's pretty cool. I
think the rule has to be that it has to
have a jockey on it when it crosses.

Speaker 4 (01:12:08):
And it had a jockey on it, Oh wow, that's
really sick.

Speaker 5 (01:12:10):
You should be a changed yourself with the other jockey.
You can't even beat a horse when the jockey's dead. Yeah,
if that don't prove you don't have to beat the
hell out of the horse to win a race. Or
then again, he could have just been flopping up and down.
All that's true, I need this damp thing on my back.

Speaker 4 (01:12:26):
Well that's really sad but pretty cool at the same time.

Speaker 5 (01:12:28):
All right, we're not gonna wake you, make you wait anymore.

Speaker 4 (01:12:31):
Yes you are.

Speaker 5 (01:12:32):
No, it's time the latest fairest for my soul, the
latest installment, my god of Tracy raps. We'll see you
guys next week.

Speaker 4 (01:12:41):
Maybe you will.

Speaker 5 (01:12:43):
You want of the best, then you got the best,
the hottest EMPC in the town trace.

Speaker 4 (01:12:51):
Quick at about noon, just thought I had to be
and compton soon. I got, getting drunk for the night
begins before my mother's bitching about my friends about to
go and damn near went flying young players at the path,
throwing up gang signs renting the house and grabbed my
cliff with the mac ten on the side of my hip,

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filled outside and pointed my weapon. Just as I thought
the phillis kept on stepping, jumped in the floor, hit
the juice on my side. I got front and back
and side to side. Then I let the album play,
bumping new Shit m lou A. It was gangster, gangster
at the top of my list. Then I played my
own shit. I went something like this, cruising down the

(01:13:35):
street in my sixty four, jacking up bitches and slapping
the holes. Went to the park to get the scoop
knuckleheads out there. Coach shooting, some hoop car pulls up
and who can it be? A fresh shell Comino rolling kg.
He rolled down his window and started to say, it's
all about making that GTA