2032 Rendlesham Forest Incident

Tracy and Jerry are joined by Andy and Lee fro Don't Break the Oath podcast to discuss the Rendlesham Forest Incident.

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
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This week, Tracy and Jerry are joined by Andy and
Lee from the Don't Break the Old podcasts. Together they
discuss the renderschum Force incident. If we're interested in UFOs,

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you are in for a treat, so I won't hold
you up any longer.

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Tracy's it's been another one of those weeks where we've
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You can call nine eighty eight, the crisis hotline. You
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Speaker 5 (04:14):
It's Lee here from the Don't Break the OAF podcast
based in Grimsby, England and New Lucky people listening to
one of my favorite podcasts. So about fair Ado Hare
is the hill Billy horror star is Hell?

Speaker 2 (04:27):
Yeah? That was Aliens Exist by Blink one eighty two,
And we actually played that song for a couple of reasons.
First and foremost, we're doing a show on alien so
that kind of fits. But more importantly, the lead singer
for Blink one eighty two, at least at the time,
Tom DeLong, he actually is really fascinated by UFO since

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having you know, some encounters earlier in life, and in
twenty fifteen when he left the band, he pretty much
chose to spend his time investigating UFO phenomena, and he
feels like he's gotten pretty close to some of the
answers due to some friends he's got within the Department
of Defense and NASA. Now he may have gotten a
little too close because the government tapped his phone and
elderly engineer warned him to back off before he got hurt,

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and he inexplicably lost three hours of time during a
pilgrimage to Nevada to Area fifty one, which where Roswell
was obviously, so everything there is just kind of really cool.
But his curiosity led him to follow a path to
do that, and it also led him to write the song,
so we thought it'd be a good song to start with.

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All right, and welcome to episode thirty seven of Hillbilly
Horror Stories. My name is Jerry and I'm joined by Tracy.

Speaker 4 (05:39):
What's up, guys? Is it just thirty seven? It feels
like more.

Speaker 2 (05:43):
Well, it's like in dog years it would probably be.

Speaker 4 (05:46):
I sell thirty seven?

Speaker 2 (05:47):
Really thirty seven?

Speaker 4 (05:48):
Oh well, yay, go thirty seven?

Speaker 2 (05:51):
He've been done all thirty seven? Well maybe you didn't
even come in until one episode, which was nine, and
then he took over at twelve, so I've got at
least twelve more episodes, you do.

Speaker 4 (06:00):
Oh well, thanks for leaving me out anyways. Well, anyway,
hey guys, how are you?

Speaker 2 (06:06):
We have got an awesome show for you tonight. We
are going to talk about something I don't normally get
excited about, which is UFO stuff because I believe in UFOs.
I just don't think it's that big of a deal
that they're here, and why I just don't.

Speaker 4 (06:19):
I just I bet you think it was a big
if they try to dress a b on.

Speaker 2 (06:22):
One, well, if they tried to do an anal problem,
it would be the most action I've had months.

Speaker 4 (06:27):
Why you always go put that out there, I'm gonna
wake you up in the middle of the night one
night and I'm gonna probe your anal with something.

Speaker 2 (06:36):
No, that's not gonna happen. I didn't, that wouldn't request.
I just said that would be the most action.

Speaker 4 (06:41):
Oh okay, well guess what I won't. Then if I.

Speaker 2 (06:43):
Wan't that, I'd just go for another prostate exam.

Speaker 4 (06:45):
You're loss. Oh yeah, Oh that's why you've been going
to all those prostate exams. Huh. Now the truth comes out.

Speaker 2 (06:52):
So anyways, what we've got is the Rendalshom Forest incident,
which is some people call it the Britain Roswell. Some
people call it the Bridgewater incident because it happened right
outside of two naval bases, one of which being Bridgewater.
But we're gonna call it Rendalsrom Forest because that's what

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most people call it. And it's probably the biggest cover
up in I would say any kind of UFO even
bigger than Roswell because there were so many well, there
were so many military people that actually saw this, a
lot of credible witnesses, and just the story that goes
on is amazing. And what makes this show going to

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be extra special he is we are gonna be joined
by our friends from uh Don't Break the Elths podcast.

Speaker 4 (07:38):
Awesome. I cannot wait.

Speaker 2 (07:39):
Yeah, Le and Andy are going to join us. And
I've been telling you guys about their show for weeks.
I don't know how many of you have actually listened yet,
but if you have, then you'll kind of have a
grasp of how their show is. They've actually done a
show on rendalsrom Forest, and I thought it would be
kind of cool to bring them on. Now, what we're
going to do is we're going to do our spill
on it like we normally would, and then we're gonna

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bring them on and they'll talk about some different aspects,
probably some stuff we didn't know. Because they're in Great Britain,
they probably have a little better feel fort than what
we do and have maybe heard some different things than
what we have. So that's kind of where we're at
wanted to give some quick shout outs to start the show.
I'm going to probably pronounce this wrong, but I think
it's Izzy Crab from England. Hopefully it's crab our Thinion.

(08:24):
Maybe not. Hopefully it's Crab. But Izzy wrote us a
nice note earlier this week and told us that she
loves listening to the show, so I wanted to say
thank you for listening.

Speaker 4 (08:33):
Thank you, Izzie. We really appreciate it all.

Speaker 2 (08:35):
And then we've got Shane Hoffman from Pennsylvania. Thanks Shane.

Speaker 4 (08:38):
Hello Shane.

Speaker 2 (08:39):
Michelle bunts Seward from Louisville, Kentucky. She's an old friend
of ours.

Speaker 4 (08:43):
Yeah, hey, Michelle.

Speaker 2 (08:45):
And we've got Rebecca I don't know your last name,
but it's Rebecca and Baltimore.

Speaker 4 (08:49):
She Rebecca and Baltimore.

Speaker 2 (08:51):
And then we've got Lindsay Friels up in Middletown, Ohio.
Thanks to Lindsay. And I better throw Jim in there
too so he don't get all mad because he didn't,
so hey, damn. And then we've got Sean Marie Coleman Cook,
who is I don't you know what, Sean. I don't
know where you live. I think you live in Louisville

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or thereabouts, but I'm not one hundred percent sure. So
but you got four names or seven names or something like.

Speaker 4 (09:17):
That, so wee else don't know what you so we
love every one of them.

Speaker 2 (09:21):
But that's what we wanted to start off with, is
just get the shout outs out of the way, because
I don't know how busy this show's going to be.
It's gonna get pretty uh, pretty fool, I would say,
and we're going to jump right into it. Are you okay?
We're jumping right in.

Speaker 4 (09:33):
I'm ready to jump all right.

Speaker 2 (09:36):
I want to have fun with this because we want
to get this story in and we want to do
it the way we normally do it. When the guys
from Don't Break the Ealth get in here, I think
we're gonna have a lot of fun. They'll they'll give
their spill on some stuff, but they are some fun guys.
Their show is really fun. And I think we're just
going to try to mix this in so instead of
it being like an interview like we normally do, we
really want it to be like all four of us

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collaborating on this story.

Speaker 3 (10:00):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (10:00):
I can't wait to hear what they have to say.

Speaker 2 (10:02):
All right. You know, I think I said Bridgewater earlier.
Is where that the Bridgewater incident, And that's that's the
mall that I go to up in Ohio.

Speaker 4 (10:10):
Ang with you.

Speaker 2 (10:12):
It's actually bent Water.

Speaker 4 (10:13):
I don't know bent Water.

Speaker 2 (10:15):
It's drawn a. I don't know what was wrong with me.
I apologize for my inconsistencies.

Speaker 4 (10:19):
Well it is Friday, you know.

Speaker 2 (10:22):
Yeah, that means so much to me.

Speaker 4 (10:24):
Well, your brain's just kind of it's the end of
the week, is what I'm trying to say.

Speaker 2 (10:27):
All right, So here's what we got the rendalsoon forest incident,
you're going to go back. There's two bases over in
England SUFFOLX in England, and it's called Bentwater and it's
called Woodbridge. Now, right in between those two military bases,
you've got a set of woods, which is Rendalsom Forests. Now,

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several military people saw this, including Deputy based Commander, Lieutenant
Colonel Charles Holt. And he's the reason I mentioned him
in the beginning, because that's really going to come into
play a little later in the story, and even up
through today you hear his name mentioned quite often. So
this is going to start in the early hours of
December twenty sixth, nineteen eighty, so you got Christmas night.

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As soon as Christmas is over midnight, you start going
into December twenty sixth, and that's about where we're at.
Its about three o'clock in the morning. You got some
action going on out there by the forest because you've
got one guy, John Burrows and a sergeant Bud Stevens,
who was actually like if I guess they're like guard,

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security guards, that's what their duty was. You know, they're
actually part of the air Force, but they's security guard.
So they're garden a perimeter and they start seeing some
weird glow come from out in the woods. So, you know,
Bud Stevens and John Burrows they head out that way.
Well they start noticing as they get closer that there's

(11:54):
really some weird stuff going on. And Burrows, he doesn't
want to just get on the air waves and start,
you know, saying what they're seeing because it's going to
go out against all the airways. So they basically called
back to the home base and say, hey, there's something
we're going on here. We probably need some help. So
then Jim Penston gets sent out there to help investigate,

(12:16):
and he's like well, can it wait? And they're like, no,
you need to go right now.

Speaker 4 (12:20):
Why what do you say can't wait?

Speaker 2 (12:22):
Well, they didn't know. He didn't know what it was.
He just told me sneedge co and you know, and
it was three o'clock in the morning. So they go
ahead and he gets out there and he meets up
with Burrows and it looks like there is a crashed
aircraft of some sort. You could see where the trees
and stuff had been kind of knocked down or where

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something had came down, and they needed to investigate it. Well,
the the Bud Stevens, the supervisor, he was scared to
death and he didn't want to go check it out,
so he went back to the base while Burrows and
Penston went in a check it out. So they're the
only two people there at the time.

Speaker 4 (13:02):
Okay, but was this something that just happened or just
had happened?

Speaker 2 (13:04):
It just happened recently?

Speaker 4 (13:06):
Oh, I got you.

Speaker 5 (13:07):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (13:08):
They noticed or standing at the edge of the woods
that there's this weird white glow. And as they start
going closer and closer to the object, you know, Penston
said he noticed that that it didn't it looked like
a crash site, but it didn't feel like a crash site.
There weren't There weren't things there that made it seem

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like a crash, like, for example, you couldn't smell any
kind of burning fuel. There was no fire, nothing like that.
So that was kind of the first instinct that something
just wasn't right about it. Now, when you talk to Burrols,
Burrels said, it looked like some kind of a Christmas
decoration or something. Of the lights were coming on and
there was you know, the white glow, but then there
was kind of some different colors.

Speaker 4 (13:51):
Well it was Christmas time, so that's true. Yeah, that's true.

Speaker 2 (13:55):
If this had happened like the day before, they would
just instead of a sand a sleigh or something. But
that was not the case. Here, they start getting a
little closer, the radio started breaking up. It was cutting
in and out, real staticky, as if there's some kind
of electricity air. They started hearing some loud shrieks from animals,
almost like they were scared, and they start kind of

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running from the area. So that's something that they had
noticed for about the bat that all these animals started
leaving the air and they were making these weird noises
that animals usually don't make. Penston said he'd never seen
anything like this, and to be honest, he was scared
to death.

Speaker 4 (14:29):
I would be too.

Speaker 2 (14:31):
Then all of a sudden, as they get closer this thing,
there was this really bright flash of light. When this happened,
it basically knocked both of the guys Penston and Brows
to the ground. Oh wow, now here's where things start
getting a little bit different. So Penston says he got
up he could see a triangular shaped craft about twenty
feet from him. He walks up to the craft, and

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as he starts getting closer, he says he could feel
like an electricity in the air, not like something where
you just have like the hair stick up on the
back of your neck or something. It just, he said,
you could just feel it all over his entire body.
So it gets closer to the thing, and he notices
that this triangular shaped craft is basically like made of glass,
real shiny, real smooth. He said it was weird looking

(15:16):
in the fact that you could see different colors running.

Speaker 4 (15:20):
Through the glass, but you couldn't actually see through it.

Speaker 2 (15:23):
No, you couldn't see through it, but these colors would
change from one color to the next color.

Speaker 5 (15:28):
Yea.

Speaker 2 (15:29):
But there wasn't anything really showing that would make that effect.
You can just see it in the actual It was
almost like it was under you know, the glass or
whatever the craft was made of. And he said it
wasn't aerodynamic by any means. It didn't look at anything
that you would have out there that you know, this
is nineteen eighty, you know, anything that would fly. It
had no flaps or anything like it. He couldn't see

(15:51):
any kind of exhaust. He couldn't see any kind of motors,
nothing like that. He said. He started taking some measurements.
He had a little notepad with him, and he said
it was about nine feet long and about seven feet high.
And he started noticing there was some like hieroglyphic type
writings on the side. Here's all these different little shapes
and triangles and all that. So he was hoping that

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it would say United States Air Force or something like that,
but he didn't know what it was. He figured to
take some measurements of this. So the writings from where
to start to finish was about three feet long and
about six inches high. Then he said he saw this
one plate. It was like a circle with a triangle

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in it, and he put his hand on it. He said,
when he put his hand on it, a really bright
light started glowing from there and it started making a
noise and all that stuff, and it didn't stop until
he took his hand off. And then once he took
the hand off, it was like almost instantly the thing
shot up in the air. And when it did, it

(16:55):
didn't create any kind of air. There was no displaced there,
there was no leaves blowing around. It was just like
it just no sound.

Speaker 4 (17:02):
Well that is bizarre because you would think that would
like knock him back and all this other stuff, and
it did nothing. Wow, he was lucky then, So then.

Speaker 2 (17:11):
All of a sudden, Burrows runs up to him. They
keep in mind they had both got knocked down before
and this was just him to myself now and Burrows
he gets up and he about the time he sees
this thing taken off, and they're like, hey, you can
see the thing up in a tree, and he points
at it up in the tree line. It wouldn't sit
in a tree, it was just above the trees. So

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they decided they were going to try to give chase
to it. So they're kind of running around trying to
wherever it goes. They're seeing it and it just disappears.
They don't know what to do with it, so it disappears,
and they're walking back to the vehicle and they're like,
how the hell do we explain this? And it's about
that time that Burrows and Penston realized that they've got

(17:54):
two different memories of what happened. Penston was the one
that was putting his hands on everything. Now, Burrows said
what he saw was a red oval type object, and
he didn't see Penston walking around the vehicle, none of that.
Two totally different things. So on the trip back to
the base, they didn't talk, they didn't say anything about

(18:15):
what They were just confused. I mean, they didn't know
what they were going to say. So they get back
to the base, it's about four to forty five in
the morning. They figured that it took about forty five minutes.
So that's the way it seems. In reality, they were
out there for two and a half hours.

Speaker 4 (18:28):
Oh wow, it's so weird that they both saw the
same thing or the different things.

Speaker 2 (18:33):
Didn't Yeah, they didn't say the same thing, but it's
still the same thing. Once they were both awake and
it was up on the tree. They said the same
thing before, once that bright light knocked both of them down.
From that point it was different.

Speaker 4 (18:44):
Oh wow.

Speaker 2 (18:45):
So then they had to go through a debriefing, and
Penston said that the debriefing in case people aren't familiar
with a debriefing anytime there's a situation.

Speaker 4 (18:56):
Like that when you take it underwear off.

Speaker 2 (18:59):
No, that's not that, I'm sorry. You have to sit
down with the superiors and actually tell them everything that happened.
And there's a lot of people in the military to
tell you after debriefing that you have to forget pretty much.
That's the last time he gets talked about. That's, you know,

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they just want to know what happened so they could
do their reports, what have you.

Speaker 4 (19:21):
And that's they need one of those lights like on
Men in Black.

Speaker 2 (19:24):
Yeah, well, some people will tell you that they use
stuff like that, and we'll get into a little bit
of that later.

Speaker 1 (19:29):
Oh wow, So oh go me.

Speaker 2 (19:32):
Yeah, it's amazing that you get most of your factual
movies from movies that are so the shift commander comes
in and he basically gave him, you know, a warning,
you know, kind of a vague warning. He wouldn't like
threatening them or anything. Yeah, but he said, you know,
they told him what happened, and he's like, gentlemen, Project
blue Book ended in nineteen sixty nine and somethings some

(19:53):
things are just better left to though.

Speaker 5 (19:55):
Wow.

Speaker 2 (19:56):
So, and those of you who are unaware of Project
blue Book. Project blue Book, I think started in the forties,
right after the Roswell situation in the United States, and
it was basically the United States Air Force investigating all
these different UFO incidents. And there actually used to be
a cool when I was growing up back in the eighties,

(20:17):
there was a really cool TV show called Project blue Book.
And I don't remember that, and you should because you've
been about twenty five or thirty then.

Speaker 4 (20:25):
Well whatever, kiss my butt.

Speaker 2 (20:27):
But it was a really cool show and that's what
it was based on. But they ended that in nineteen
sixty nine. So now we got the debrief and everything
goes on. Later that morning, Penston he can't sleep. He
stays up all night. He's writing stuff down, all these
he's trying to remember all these images and stuff he saw,
and he's writing all of them down. He keeps seeing

(20:50):
these numerical codes ones and zeros, and zeros and ones
and reality it was computer code, but he didn't realize
at the time he's writing all of it down. He
decided after he gets up in the morning that he
wants to go check this thing out in daylight. So
he gets up and he goes out there, and he's
got some plaster of Paris, you know, the stuff so

(21:10):
you can make, you know, like casts and stuff like that.
Of he gets up, he goes out there. He's by hisself,
He's walking around and he starts seeing where they remember
this thing coming down. He starts seeing a symmetrical pattern.
They were ten feet apart, basically a triangle, so there
was three different ones ten feet apart. He starts taking

(21:30):
plaster modes and stuff like that. But he decided he
didn't want to tell his supervisor because you know, at
this time you start doing that, you're really at risk
of losing your job, especially if you're an important military pace.
So of course, yeah, now you would think that would
be about the end of it, except two nights later,
Deputy based Commander Charles holts Our Charles halt rather was

(21:54):
at a Christmas holiday party. I don't know why they
were still having holiday parties. At twenty seventh. But you know,
I guess you. Yeah, they live it up in England.

Speaker 4 (22:01):
Yeah, good for them.

Speaker 2 (22:03):
He hit an ex marine that's that was an employee
of his. One of his guards come in and he
was looking super scared and pale, and he said it's back.
And Halt said, what's back? And he said, the UFO
is back.

Speaker 4 (22:18):
No, now in the same like, in the same assis.

Speaker 2 (22:22):
Same place. Now. After two days of hearing all the
hubbub about this, Halt decided he was gonna go check
it out for herself. So he assembled a team of
three guys and himself and said, let's go see what's
going on. Within just a few minutes, they're out there
at Rendersom Forest, So they didn't take them long to
get there. Now that they've already got section of the

(22:44):
forests kind of cordoned off, and there is a little
brief talk about, you know, from one of the guys saying,
you know, hey, the UFO is no longer visible. This
is where it's at, but you really can't see it
unless you go back there. And they started experiencing, you know,

(23:05):
some outages of these big high powered what do you
call them, like spotlights, So they had the floodlights. They
had these giants floodlights set up, and they kept going out.
The power kept going out. So you just think about
what if it was like a spotlight on a stage
if they just kept going out, And that's what was happening.

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So Halt and his team they gather all their gear up.
They've got a camera, Geiger counter, you know, to measure radioactivity.
They've got a night vision device, and then he's also
got a tape recorder that he takes everywhere, and that's
going to really come into play a little later. Of course,
the crew started having radio interference just like the other

(23:47):
crew did. As they started getting closer, they started to
notice some indentations and several trees and high radiation levels,
so obviously there was something going on. You could see
where these indentations were. Something that came down did damage
to these trees. Well there's suddenly the animals that were
right there started making a lot of noise just like

(24:08):
the night before. And then there was a farm next
to this where those noises were coming from the farm too,
So the farm animals over there, we're having the same situation.
And you know they always say animals can detect this
kind of stuff. So suddenly they saw a bright red
object that looked like an eyeball. I mean they said
it was red, it had a dark center. It started

(24:29):
zigzagging through the trees like doing stuff that no object
that we have should be able to do.

Speaker 4 (24:35):
So, you mean, maybe like what that other guy thought
he saw, was it that? Like he said he saw
a red object, right.

Speaker 2 (24:40):
It basically fit right there now according to Halt, like
I said that this guy was the deputy base commander.
I mean he was a big shot. Yeah, he was
forty years old. He'd been doing this for a long time,
so he's really reputable. He said that you could see
this thing zig zagging pwet in the trees, and it
looked like it was.

Speaker 4 (25:00):
Up in molten metal, molten metal, hot liquid black.

Speaker 2 (25:06):
So he's like he was doing that.

Speaker 4 (25:08):
Oh my gosh.

Speaker 2 (25:10):
It flew over the field by the farm and then
they were afraid because it was really close to the farmhouse.
That you know, if this thing did something tocon on fire,
then you've got the farmhouse the other people in there.
This thing just exploded into like several little smaller white objects,
like no sound or nothing. It just like, yeah, I said,

(25:31):
no sound, and you made a sound, so that really
doesn't correspond. Then all of a sudden, as they're as
they're looking at it, the objects starts. It just they
all start hitting towards the commander and his crew. It
just started coming to them towards a high speed.

Speaker 5 (25:47):
And uh.

Speaker 2 (25:48):
They then as it got closer to it, it admitted
like a giant spot like like it had like a
ray that came down from it like a spotlight, and
it was shining all over where they were. Oh, it was,
and it was and they could see that it was
shining the light over top of the military base where
there was all kinds of nuclear weapons kept. So at

(26:09):
this point, Sergeant Adrian Beastin's BASINSA and Burrows they arrive
on the site back where the uh now they're back
at the woodbridge where this thing was shining its light
over top of where the nuclear weapons is tough for
As Burrels got close to the object, it disappeared. So
bazinga not bazinga. Bazena Bazina asked Burrows what happened and

(26:37):
he just said, hey, it looked like he was involved
with the lights. So what let me try to paint
this picture. So Burrows goes out there close to this thing.
Bazin bezends Us was back, so he watches Burrows go
and get close to this thing, and what Burrows remembers
is the thing just disappeared. But what bozends Us remembered

(26:59):
is he said that when Burles got out there, it
was almost like he was doing all this matrix type
shit where he was bending backwards and he was like
he was talking to the lights and he was moving
his arms and this light was enveloping him basically, and
then it disappeared. But Burls didn't remember any of that.
He just remembers him going out there and the thing disappearing.

(27:21):
So apparently there was some kind of interaction with him
in this light when he got out there, according to Bazina.
So then the men had no idea that there was
a covert operation already taking place on the site of
where all this happened. So now you've got all these
major military experts just in a matter of a couple
hours of all this stuff happening. They're out there quarantine

(27:43):
and stuff they're investigating. They got trucks moving in and
out of sight, and that's kind of where everything kind
of was right there. But then in January nineteen eighty one,
rumors started swirling about the air. So this thing they
kind of kept it under wraps. Now, the military and

(28:03):
investigation that followed was very controversial. Most people feel like
that they were more concerned about damage control and making
sure that people found out what didn't happen as opposed
to what really did happen. And all these people that
were involved were really scared. One thing that we didn't
touch on is going to be really important, and I
kind of left it out on purpose earlier. But I

(28:26):
told you that Colonel Halt had a tape recorder. Yeah,
now he's got about a fifteen to twenty minute recording
of when they were chasing this thing through the woods
and the hot the molten metal, and also he's got
a recording of everything that was being said as these
guys are chasing this thing. Oh wow, and it's pretty cool.
So if you guys just just look up Colonel halt

(28:48):
rendel some tape and you'll be able to hear this.
It's on YouTube.

Speaker 4 (28:51):
Get out of here.

Speaker 2 (28:52):
It's actually it's kind of cool.

Speaker 4 (28:54):
Why would they put it on YouTube?

Speaker 2 (28:56):
I mean, when I guess, well, they didn't have YouTube
back then.

Speaker 4 (28:59):
Well, I mean I don't you know, Okay, of course
I know that, But I'm saying, why, well, it's.

Speaker 2 (29:03):
All out now. I mean, now we're thirty thirty seven
years into it.

Speaker 4 (29:06):
I guess I just didn't feel like they wanted everybody
to know.

Speaker 2 (29:09):
But well, by now everybody knew.

Speaker 4 (29:10):
Because now we wouldn't be talking about it. So I
need to rewind that whole thing I just said.

Speaker 2 (29:14):
But according to witnesses that they unwillingly became part of
a cover up. And this is this is where it
kind of gets really really I want to say, technically,
it's the kind of stuff, the conspiracy theory stuff that
really makes you question your own government on some of

(29:35):
this stuff. We're going to hear now Charles Halt began
a debriefing. Burrell said that his interview with Halt was
short and to the point. He just said what Halt's
explanation was of what happened. He said, it was just
a strange and unusual thing, and he left it at that.
There's just no explanation. Oh hell, this is the same
guy that was running around with the recording talking about

(29:56):
you know now. Penston said that he had to have
his debriefing, and it was two weeks later they called
for another debriefing, so he had to one the first night.
Now he's got another one two weeks later. And the

(30:18):
thing about it was a high ranking team of investigators
called the os I came in to do the actual
I guess debriefing this time. These were really powerful people.
We're talking about dressed in suits, the whole men in
black type concept. That's what these guys were. Penson said

(30:39):
that he entered a room it just felt ominous. When
he walked in, it was almost like, you know, he
wouldn't know if he's make it out of the room.
He began to give his stories, he gave him his statches,
and then he said the rest of the interview was
a blur. He said they gave him They gave him
shots of sodium pentathon to make sure that he was
telling the truth. And he's not sure whatever else they

(30:59):
even gave him. He's not sure exactly what tactics they use,
but he said they went to great lengths to make
sure that he was not lying. Wow, it was needless
to say. He was really disturbed about these things.

Speaker 1 (31:14):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (31:14):
He also said the investigation took a sinister tone when
with several other interviews with the other people. So this
wouldn't just him. Everybody that saw this thing. They started
doing these interviews. It was more or less like and
when we get to the next part, you'll see kind
of where all this takes a turn. Now, Sergeant Pisenza,

(31:38):
and I'm sure I'm mispronouncing that.

Speaker 4 (31:40):
Wh did you just say, Sergeant.

Speaker 2 (31:41):
B Sergeant Bizinga. Yes, we'll start calling sergeant Bizina. Sergeant
Bizinga was taken to a room below the base. And
even now he refuses to talk about anything that happened
that night. Thirty some years later, he won't even talk
about what happened that night.

Speaker 4 (31:57):
Why can't they make him like the other people we make.

Speaker 2 (32:01):
No, I'm saying that they tried. They probably made him.
He told everything to them, but he won't talk to
the public.

Speaker 4 (32:08):
About Wow, Okay.

Speaker 2 (32:12):
Other witnesses said that they were told to drop their stories.
A few days later, Burrows was was back patrolling and
he saw several vehicles coming in and out of the
forest that there was no reason to so obviously they're
concerned about something. Now. Charles Holt said he was aware

(32:32):
of the covert action going on, but they never really
told him any details. He just knew there was stuff
going on. It's his base and they didn't even feel him.

Speaker 4 (32:41):
Wow, that's rude.

Speaker 2 (32:44):
They took a bunch of pictures while they were out there,
but none of them turned out, every one of them
just like they were. They don't know if they didn't
turn out because of what went on, but all the
pictures were white and they think that possibly they were
bleached by the government did it, or it's just the
way they turned because of radioactivity or whatever the case was.
So Charles Halt was then told that he needed to

(33:07):
write an article just basically summon everything up. So he
wrote an article called Unexplained Lights and he was asked
to just use all the interviews, conduct it and turn
it in so they could have something to put on file.
And he was under the impression that what he wrote

(33:27):
was going to be shared with the British government. Not
the case that didn't. That didn't happen. But he wrote
in there that you know about the lights, He wrote
about the triangular, he wrote about the molten metal. All
that stuff was in there. Well, the superiors filed the
memo and then the lights never came back. So I
mean that was for most people they would say that's

(33:49):
kind of the end of it. But it wouldn't the
end of it, because three years later, after being kept
in the dark, in nineteen eighty three, one of the
paper in England called the News of the World came
out with an article and the headline was UFO lands
in Suffolk and that's official. And in that actual newspaper

(34:14):
there was a letter and guess what that letter was
the one that Charles Hall. But he didn't give it
to him. This was never meant for the public to see.
This was strictly confidential. So the article tells the story
and includes that letter, and every paper in the UK
starts doing stories on it.

Speaker 4 (34:32):
Now.

Speaker 2 (34:32):
Now if something they kept under wraps for about three years,
everybody knows about and it's making its rounds and they
were like, well, how the hell was it leaked? Well,
it was leaked by a guy by the name of
Larry Warden. He was a former Air Force security officer
and Warren said he wanted everybody to know what happened.
Everybody needed to know what happened.

Speaker 4 (34:54):
So did he end up getting fired, Well, he.

Speaker 2 (34:56):
Was already gone by this time. Oh so he Warren
said that he was sent in with Halt. Remember I
said Halt had about three different guys that went in.
He says he went in with Halt. He said that
there was three glowing humanoid entities when they went up
to the ship. He said that there was three glowing
humanoid entities standing outside, almost almost like people, but not

(35:21):
quite like people.

Speaker 4 (35:22):
When you love to see something like that, yeah, And.

Speaker 2 (35:25):
He said, he said he watched as senior officers began
to communicate with the beans. So his saying is, hey,
these there were some little aliens out there, and then
these guys were communicating somehow, and we don't know how
they knew how to. Maybe they were what they were communicating.

Speaker 4 (35:42):
Maybe they were and they were on earth.

Speaker 2 (35:44):
And he said shortly after that he was pulled from
the woods, and then the next day he was brought
in for debriefing with a couple of other people, mainly
the big shot people. He said, he goes in, he's
in this room and the only thing he remembers is
there's a projector and three men in suits. He said,

(36:07):
they're showing this film of all these military activities of
UFOs going back to the forties is what they're showing
up on this projector it goes in his question and
the more he's questions, the less he remembers.

Speaker 4 (36:24):
Damn, that's amazing.

Speaker 2 (36:26):
And he said it was it's almost like that little
flash thing. Yeah, but he said it was taken by force.
He was taken to an underground facility and he just
remembers bits and pieces after that. He does remember being
on a table. Then he remembers being in like a
mess hall and trying to eat, but there was a
big gap in between from what he remembers. He doesn't

(36:49):
know if what he remembers is real or what he
was remember is planted. He's just not sure at all.
This is our government dealing with it and.

Speaker 4 (37:00):
That has to be crazy. I mean, that would make
that would make you insane.

Speaker 2 (37:03):
Well, now you've got a bunch of the other witnesses
that they're pissed about all this coming out because they
kind of really didn't want it to come out, and
they said that he was lying. They said Warren was
the only one that said he saw any kind of beans.
Nobody remembers him being in the woods. So multiple incredible witnesses,

(37:26):
including several officers said that they remember him from like
training and stuff like that, but he had nothing to
do with that operation. He was not out in the
woods he was So who knows what's true what's not. Yeah. Now,
in two thousand and two some of these declassified documents

(37:47):
were released by the British government and in their investigation
they looked at the cameras, and they looked at radar
and all that. And the problem is that when Hall
wrote his letter and stated that it was the twenty seventh,
it was or when all this took place in twenty
sixth and ninth Christmas. Yeah, he stated it was the

(38:08):
twenty seventh, So for years everybody was looking at the
wrong date. So all this radar they were doing, and
weather reports and all that, they were looking at the
wrong day because he wrote the wrong day in accident.
So they had to go back in and start doing
all this. But on the US, in the United States
Air Force, their official statement was there was no threat

(38:29):
to American security.

Speaker 4 (38:31):
Okay, that's it.

Speaker 2 (38:32):
That's their only comment on this whole thing. There was
no threat to which I don't know how that can
be the case. If you've got if you've got a
unknown aircraft and it's over a base that has tons
of nuclear weapons. This is during the Cold War. This
was back during the time where Russia and the US
basically hated each other, and you know, we were beefing

(38:55):
up our nuclear they were beefing up their nuclear. Then
there was always that threat of a nuclear war. And
you know, for there to be an unknown entity like
this out there and it's shining lights on your military base,
I don't see how that could not be.

Speaker 4 (39:10):
A threat to Yeah, no, there's no way that's not
a threat.

Speaker 2 (39:14):
But that's the basic facts. I'm sure there's a lot
of stuff that we're leaving out, but some of that's
intentional because I want the guys from Don't Break the
Old to Bill to fill in some of the stuff
that we didn't fill in.

Speaker 4 (39:26):
Oh, I know, I cannot wait to hear what they
have to say. Honestly, this is really very interesting.

Speaker 2 (39:30):
So that's what we got right now. And like I said,
I think before we bring them on, I want to
have Tracy do a little Portuguese. So let's try that. Now.
What we figured out was looking at some rankings today
that we had two of our top ten cities recently
hit which was Brazil and Portugal, and both of them
speak Portuguese, so I thought it would be fun to

(39:52):
have Tracy say that we love our listeners with a
Portuguese twang. So Tracy take it.

Speaker 4 (39:59):
Away, knows am I most no sos o vin cheese.

Speaker 2 (40:05):
So there you go, Portugal with a twang, Portuguese with
a twang.

Speaker 4 (40:08):
I hope I didn't screw that up, but I really
do love our listeners there, So if I butchered it
too much, I'm sorry. But we do appreciate you guys listening.

Speaker 2 (40:17):
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(40:45):
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Speaker 4 (40:46):
We love all you guys, we really do.

Speaker 2 (40:47):
And I mean then we've got carrying up in Canada, yeah,
and then we've got some people in California, which isn't
a different country, but it really seems like a different
country most times.

Speaker 4 (40:55):
And I love that. I wish I've never been to California.
I would love to go.

Speaker 2 (40:58):
You know who went to Californ Zeppelin? They were going
to California.

Speaker 4 (41:04):
Okay, all right?

Speaker 2 (41:05):
Anyways, So with no further ado, let's bring on.

Speaker 4 (41:10):
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(41:54):
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And now we're going to bring on the guys from
Don't Break the Oath podcasts. All right, everybody, welcome back
to Heably Horse Stories. And I've been setting this up

(43:02):
for a couple of weeks now, and of course we've
got some special guests on the line. I'm gonna warn
you ahead of time. They're a little hard to understand.
They've got accents unlike.

Speaker 5 (43:09):
Us, uh so the aliens.

Speaker 2 (43:15):
But on on the phone. Here we've got Andy and
Lee from Don't Break the Oath podcast good friends of mine.
I've been talking to mainly Lee for the last couple
of months and I've really grown to like their show
and I've told you guys about it, and I know
some of you out there already listening. So we thought
we'd bring them on because doing the rentals from show,

(43:35):
we can add our insight obviously, because you know, we
see the same things everybody else does, but we get
to get the perspective of somebody that actually lives there.
I mean, these guys are only you know, two three
hours away from where this happened, and hopefully they've got
some insights that that's not common fair that everybody gets
from the YouTube videos or just reading up on it. So,
without further ado, Andy Lee, welcome to the show.

Speaker 5 (43:58):
Welcome guys, Hello and hello, thanks for having us. Yeah, definitely.

Speaker 2 (44:03):
Now what we want to start off with, guys, is
I want you to tell the people who haven't listened,
are unfamiliar with your show, tell them what the reason
that you kind of started the show, how you two
guys hooked up, and what the show is basically about
what you're wanting to put forth as far as a
product out there.

Speaker 5 (44:20):
Yeah, well, essentially, why the reason I started the show
is the ridicule you know, if you want a paranormal experience,
because essentially we are a paranormal podcast. They do a
couple of other things and have interviews and all that,
but the you know, if you tell somebody, you know,
not just anybody in the street or whatever, you've had

(44:41):
this encounter or this site, and then most people give
you some shit for it. Essentially, So what I wanted
to do is set up a place where people could,
like a speak easy, you know, where people could come
and tell their encounters and not be judged and I
could tell mine and hopefully, you know, the people that
are tuning in and you know, are obviously interested in

(45:02):
the subject and can go along with what I'm saying
without any ridicule. And to be honest with you, so far,
touch Wood, I've had no bad comments.

Speaker 6 (45:12):
It's been good on it. Yeah, about what I've said
and all that. Basically getting the truth out, you know.

Speaker 5 (45:16):
Yeah, That's that's what we're aiming to do, is you know,
is to break down the beer between the normal and
the paranormal, if you like, because most people won't really
give out the stories.

Speaker 6 (45:25):
We like, the hesitant you know, have been ridiculed, but
we know if they come on the show, you see
he's listening.

Speaker 5 (45:30):
To you know. I mean, do get a lot of that,
not necessarily on the show, but people you know, writing
in and stuff saying this is the first time I've
told anybody this, you know, And that's really the aim,
if you like.

Speaker 6 (45:43):
And you've all experiences pout normal, so I as well.
So we've both been you know, been there, done it,
and they've done it, seeing it, experienced it. I'm both
still done it.

Speaker 7 (45:52):
So you know, we're we're just here to basically give
out truth give out the stories and hopefully hoping somebody
out there will you know, like us and start listening
and then maybe do their own on research and then
they might do their own podcasts, you know, so that
covers it.

Speaker 2 (46:13):
So let me ask you this. You mentioned this kind
of but I know you saw a tweet I put
out the other day. We had somebody write us and
tell us that they were thankful for the show because
it gives them a reason to believe in the afterlife,
just for their own personal And we've had a couple
of situations like that where people have told us that
the show actually helps them. Have you guys had very
many comments like that where they're thankful that the show exists.

Speaker 5 (46:35):
Yeah. Absolutely, that's you know, that's the number one sort
of feedback that we get is that, you know, people
are interested in this subject, you know, these subjects that
we do. I mean, some people find us just because
of searching for you know, a particular thing, Like the
lady that contact us last week show, she actually found
us because she was looking for time slip because their

(46:57):
own encounter involved missing time, so she was looking for
time slips and then you come across us, and then
obviously we'd done a show on that where my granddad
had his own time slip. So so there's no ridicule there.
You know, I'm saying, look, someone in my family's had
this experience and I've laid it on the line, and
so she's coming through that door, if you like, because
for that reason. So yeah, we get that, we get

(47:18):
there and yeah, you know, that's what it's about. And
it's about, you know, people hopefully being able to open
up about the ridicule because you know, it's just no need.

Speaker 2 (47:30):
How do you guys know each other?

Speaker 5 (47:33):
Well, we for work and when it work.

Speaker 6 (47:37):
So it was just one day was I was I
think he was talking that subject one and then I
talked to subject and he was like, well we're talking
the same stuff him an't he?

Speaker 1 (47:44):
I was like, we just click.

Speaker 5 (47:45):
I didn't know what he was in. You don't know
what I was into.

Speaker 6 (47:48):
You know, since I've been little, I've been seeing ghosts
that I still am, but you know, since i've been little,
I've been seeing ghosts. And when I was young, I
was giving the old tablets and I went to the
old psychiatry and I was I was nutty, and you know,
so it's you know, it's it's like a well sometimes
you just you meant to meet you know what I mean,

(48:11):
you meant to meet sometimes, but you meant to meet
people at certain times, certain place and I'm saving bank.

Speaker 5 (48:15):
This is the show.

Speaker 6 (48:16):
So you know, so everybody comes on about ghost stories
and or you know, they call me a loony and
you know, you say, no, hey, you're not looney.

Speaker 5 (48:26):
You know you're not. You know, so I to tell
your story. So that's really yeah, So that's essentially what
I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (48:32):
So all right, well that's you know, that's the best
way to set something up as people that know each other.
That's originally how this show started with somebody that I
used to work with and we used to have those
conversations and that's how all this came about. And I
think I think for most of these podcasts, no matter
what genre it's on, if it's two people talking, there's
usually some type of a connection like that where they

(48:53):
just they found out they've got the same interest and
the conversations between them are so good. It's like, man,
if you can put this on tape, yeah, people would
probably want to listen to it.

Speaker 5 (49:03):
That's it. I mean, imagine how many conversations you had
all the time where you know, nobody gets a chance
to listen to it. And I bet there's bet there's
interesting people out there that have hadd encounters and no
sites of things and they just never just never get
it off the chest, you know, say before where when
I met Lee, you know, before before Metley.

Speaker 6 (49:22):
You know, I never knew about bigfoot or dog man
that I don't know nothing about doing until research.

Speaker 5 (49:27):
Goes well, learn it as well.

Speaker 6 (49:29):
You know, I was just into ghost and go something
and doing psychic readings and all that stuff, but I
never know about you know what some of the stuff
up they were saying.

Speaker 5 (49:37):
So hopefully yes, so the podcast you know, yours and
yours and as the potential to open people's eyes, that
that's what opens your mind as well. And it's not
necessarily forcing people to believe things. It's just laying down
the facts and then people chud for themselves, don't they.

Speaker 6 (49:52):
So we can't say that kind We did the research,
put the stories out and hopeful somebody will say I
like that, you know, so it's.

Speaker 5 (50:02):
Case Yeah, sorry, I was just gonna say, in another
case it worked either way where somebody actually run into
a dog man. I don't know if you're aware of
what a dog man. You know, these canine en cryptids
that people see, Well, someone actually crashed the car into
one of them, just up the road from us, and
that had happened thirty years ago, and he was thinking

(50:24):
about it for thirty years. He never knew what it
was until he had us talking about it, and then
he then he put two and two together and he
actually told the show the story on the show, but
he he realized what he hit, and that was you
know that I had been going around his head for
thirty years. He never told anybody because he didn't you know,
how can you tell someone that you just into a
you know, a seven foot tall dog. Yeah, so it

(50:48):
both ways, you know, swings them Roundabout.

Speaker 2 (50:51):
What I was going to mention, And while we're on
that subject, you guys did a show, you know, on
this dog man. I listened to that. But one of
the things topic Shop brought up, and this is something
that we don't hear. We have dog men here in
the States that people talk about. You had the Beast
of Bray Road and a couple of others that are
essentially the same thing. But you guys have something that

(51:12):
we really don't hear much about over here as much.
And that's uh hell hounds. Uh, those type of of
cryptids over there. Why don't you touch on that for
a few minutes. I know what the Hounds of the
Baskerville was basically based on that. You know, you guys
are a lot older country than what we are, so
there are so many more folklores and legends and stuff

(51:33):
that comes out of out of Great Britain. But touch on,
touch on hellhounds for a few minutes.

Speaker 5 (51:38):
Hellhounds. Yeah. See, I think up until recently, you know,
these document signs with people having you know, in the UK,
would have been all sort of categorized as hellhounds. And
a lot of people see black you know, they see
a black shape and we're meant to have these black
you know, like what you call panthers running around there,
you know, and they're obviously elusive, but a lot of

(51:59):
people put it down to these black cats. But actually
when you look dig into the details of what people see,
and not only that, but the footprints as well, because
a lot of footprints get to you know, photographed and
that and they go down as canine footprints. And actually,
when you look at them closely, they're not they're actually dog.
There are caneine footprints, not feline, and they've got dew
claus and all the rest of it. So people are

(52:21):
mistaken what they see him, and that goes some aspects
of the hell hound, if you like, his superstition and
all that, but it's also trying to give a name
to something that was unknown at the time. And you've
got cases, you know, like a black shirt you've probably
heard of where this, you know, essentially were wolf looking
creature runs into a church in East Angular and during

(52:46):
a life and storm and kills a few people inside
and then runs out and then the church collapses around him.
So you know, these stories go way back and again
in Cambridge people are seeing not so much now it's
not getting reported a's much. It does get reported from.

Speaker 2 (53:01):
Time to time.

Speaker 5 (53:01):
You know, they'll truck driver and driving past, we'll see
these creatures in ditches and all that, and they normally
notice the glowing eyes first. Obviously sometimes to see them
at night, occasionally run across the road. But I think
you know that all goes down to hellhounds. But I
think there's most of.

Speaker 6 (53:18):
The movies and it, you know, people watch us in
the movies and think, oh it's a demon. It's not really,
it's from the sat it's from saints and it's not.
But it's a creature.

Speaker 5 (53:27):
I think, like you say, hellhounds per se are probably
now probably more understood, you know, better as being dog men.

Speaker 6 (53:35):
So well, especially around where we have the waters and
the canals and the Lakelts were obviouste well.

Speaker 5 (53:42):
Even that, you know, just up the road from us,
just over the bridge and Hull that way on, there
was two like safe houses built. It was just what
like was sixteen Oh yeah we were talking about probably
and yeah, they actually built two on this road. And
actually one of the people who stayed at this house
said that the place was built to protect people from
wolves and other creatures. So again we're not talking about

(54:05):
you know, wolves were the biggest prep that you know,
we've got in the UK at the time. Obviously we
don't have any wolves now, but at the time we
did and east even states in there that were it
was protect from wolves and other creatures. So what are
these you know and siding one where they protect them
from it.

Speaker 2 (54:22):
So that's a see, that's that's something that adds a
different light I guarantee most people in the States did
not know that now, not at all. So that's you know,
that's kind of what I was hoping. That's that's right there.
The things that you guys can add that that we
can't know over here. Those these are things that's just
part of your history, and it's pretty cool to be
able to learn from that stuff. So speaking of some

(54:43):
of your history, let's jump into this rendal something. So
I thought what we would do is, you know, this
thing stretched over a couple of nights period, and a
couple of three actually, and just tell me a little bit,
because you guys got to hear what we talked about,
give us your take on what happened. Fill in some

(55:04):
blanks that I'm sure we missed. But let's start with
day one.

Speaker 5 (55:08):
Yeah, because the common misconception of this is that it
happened over two nights, but actually it was over three nights,
that the final night being the twenty sixth to the
twenty seventh, and that's the whole night, which is you know,
the famous one. But the key points really, you know,
I've got a list of key points what I think

(55:29):
key points anyway, and obviously I've got on the first
I've actually got a key point before we get into
the first night, which is the fact that the case
was buried for three years. So straight away there was
you know, the cover up started immediately. If you like,
so that'lluse to something unusual happened, you'd think, let me

(55:50):
get so. So yeah, so we going to first night then,
So we've got four guys here stationed at the east gate.
We'll see lights over the forest, okay, and those people
were Peniston, Burrows, Stevens, and Cabanza. They all see strange lights.
And it was Burrows, Peniston and another fellow who went

(56:13):
out to investigate. And it immediately takes a strange turn
at that point, which you covered. You know, where he
where he thinks he's seeing Christmas lights and obviously he
comes up to the crash. Sorry, what he thinks is
a crashed aircraft, but it turns out to be a
landed aircraft. Now, straight away it gets strange because when

(56:33):
they get back to the base and report what they see,
they leave out key details because I don't want to Again,
they don't want to. They're they are unfair of their jobs.
And I know you covered that in the Ridicule Factor.
But he he actually states that he was missing forty
five minutes. He was he was at the craft for
what he felt like a few minutes, and obviously they
missing forty five minutes, So straight away, you know, that's

(56:55):
not unusual in UFO cases. But the key point really
for that first night for me is that Peniston goes
home that night. I think Burroughs took him home. I
think they'd lived sort of switched together, and he'd give
him a lift home. And Peniston got home, but he
just couldn't shake what he'd seen, and he actually goes

(57:16):
to a mate and gets some plaster of Paris and
goes back to the site to cast the depressions where
this the landed object had landed and it made free
depressions in the ground triangle shape, and he actually casts
those free depressions. I think he's still got two of them.
He says that one of them went missing. He was

(57:36):
an eternal flight in the States, and one of them
was taken out of his luggage apparently, so he's still
got two of them cast. But again he doesn't tell
anybody about this. But when he's there casting those casts,
the local police turn up. So again we've got this
situation where the cover up is are ongoing because there's

(57:58):
no reports of the police being there, even though he's
photographed in the photographs. So you know, that's sort of
the summing up of Night one, if you like. But again,
you know, even if it was just based on that
one night, you know, that's the hell of a story,
you know.

Speaker 2 (58:12):
Yeah, I mean that you can already see from the
friend the very beginning, even before the famous Charles Halt
stuff came up, they were already starting to cover up.

Speaker 5 (58:20):
Yeah, oh absolutely. And I think later when we get
to the whole stuff, and that the preparedness, if you like,
of whole you know, in his team, the guy who
counters the light scope and all that so sort of
shows that there was half expecting this to happen. And
I think I know why, but I'll come on to
that later. So yeah, so that's Night one. There's anything

(58:44):
else to say at Night one? I mean, did I
miss anything or you know, do you want to move
on tonight too?

Speaker 2 (58:48):
Well? I mean I think what the audience would really
like to know at this point is have either one
of you been anal probed.

Speaker 4 (58:57):
No trouble a lot lately?

Speaker 2 (59:04):
Well, I mean, why I go through the trouble of
being anal probe and missing all kinds of time and
having all the psychological problems when I can go right
to the prostate doctor, get it taken care of him,
one visit, and the insurance pay for it. That's all
I'm saying.

Speaker 5 (59:17):
It just it just makes you wonder though, you know aliens,
you know, I mean, why would they want to do
all that stuff? You know? I mean, if the if
the higher minds of high higher technology, why the hell
would they want to know? They must know about it
anyway here for millions of years. What it gives to
the person who's got everything, you know what I mean, Well,
it's the the odd encounter where it can grow someone.

(59:39):
I mean, this is come on or socks, you know, socks.

Speaker 2 (59:43):
Yeah, it doesn't make sense that.

Speaker 5 (59:48):
There's no allens to be can you know? Obviously I've
been done a bit of dogging and digging as well
as far as saying this is aliena well know people,
you know, people being thrown to meet time travelers you
know coming back. Yeah, that comes into it later. Definitely.
That really blew me. Waiting on football time is coming back?

(01:00:09):
So what do you know? About night too.

Speaker 2 (01:00:11):
Then, well, now are we talking. Do you consider night
too that the halt night or is at night three?

Speaker 5 (01:00:18):
That's night three.

Speaker 2 (01:00:20):
I know nothing about night too.

Speaker 5 (01:00:22):
Yeah, so night too again, not a lot happens, but
a lot happens, you know, So you got you got
this lady. She was stationed again at the east gate
an officer, a boyt the name of Loriie Bowen, and
she saw lights again over the forest. Now that forest

(01:00:43):
is about I think I think the trees were about
forty foots all at the time. But she said she
could see the lights over the forest. And again, so
we're not talking about the lighthouse, which comes into play
later on. So she sees his lights and she reports them,
and she gets older the scority team and the person
who's closest on patrol it just happens to be the
deputy base commander. I think her name she was Lieutenant Tamplin.

(01:01:07):
So she goes to investigate. So she drives up the
logging road as far as you can go, and she
stops at the end of the logging road and she
turns to the left and she sees this ball of
light coming towards her. And again, you know, Holt mentions
this later on, But she sees this ball light coming
towards and she says, it come in one side of
the vehicle, passed past her and then passed out the

(01:01:28):
other the other window of the vehicle and flew into
the distance. Obviously she's distraught by this. She gets on
the radio and there's corroborating witnesses to this radio core
saying that the air to say all this over the radio,
that she'd just seen this witness that. And she comes
back to her base and actually she was relieved the

(01:01:49):
duty that I never again.

Speaker 2 (01:01:50):
No, she's.

Speaker 5 (01:01:53):
So far on record, no one can get old of
her to take her account. So make her that what
you would.

Speaker 2 (01:02:00):
She just disappeared, now you know, now that you've said this,
And I guess it didn't click to me that this
was night too. I've heard Charles Hawk talk about her
and he said that he wasn't aware that this even
happened until years after the fact. And supposedly she had
a nervous breakdown, I guess, and then suddenly she was
moved to another country or something.

Speaker 5 (01:02:22):
And again I say, no one's been able to track
her down, so she's probably you know, she could have
a different name or anything, couldn't you. But she's for
whatever reason, she's well, I mean, something like that could
could absolutely frighten you. It's gonna to not want to
talk about her as much. As profound as that.

Speaker 2 (01:02:39):
So well, we all know that women aren't as as
good at handling pressure as men are, so that doesn't
really surprise me that the woman would crack while all
the men kept theirs. But yeah, we'll go ahead and
let you guys finish.

Speaker 4 (01:02:52):
I'm sorry, Yeah, let me.

Speaker 5 (01:02:55):
I was gonna say I won't be so brave to
say that with a lady in the room. I get
a bottle on the head.

Speaker 2 (01:03:04):
For all of our women listeners. I'm just kidding.

Speaker 6 (01:03:08):
I just also have to say as well. I mean
I've been doing a bit of research as well, and
we did it with Suffolk and Randall Sham all that
is around the area. I mean, I've even gone back
to the thirteenth century for these sightings. You know, obviously
this is UFO inventions, but of light ubs and black cats,
demon dogs. I've had headless monks, you've had. I've had

(01:03:32):
one one woman, ghostly woman with no face. She rides
a bike around Rendallshion and if you're lucky to see
her she shrieks and whales at you. That would be fun,
I suppose. But there's been all sorts of.

Speaker 5 (01:03:47):
Everything. Normal. Paranormal is absolutely it's very to be very active,
very active today as well. Who knows in fact please
see you know, so did them people know base of
that night? Did they know some bits about the forest
that could be some orbs or there's been loads of
white mist as well, you know, recorded from witnesses white mist.

(01:04:09):
So the paranormal is, you know, pretty abundant around there.
So obviously in my mind that night, that night in
Rendoshion was definitely a UF. So that's so that's the
night too, that's tampling. And yeah, it's like to say
she had a nervous breakdown or whatever and not heard
from since yea, So so really, you know, by this

(01:04:30):
time two nights this has happened, and obviously it's got
around the base. And again when we move on tonight three,
I think the preparedness of Holt's team, you know, we're
having the you know, everything in position ready to go,
sort of tells you that there was not expecting it
to come back. But if it come back. They wanted
to be prepared, you know, absolutely, mm hmm. So then

(01:04:55):
we get onto the fair night then, yes, so that's
the famous whole night and his tape, you know, he's
famous tape that's actually on YouTube. You can go and
listen to it, which is pretty interesting. But again we
can break it down and you know, into the increments

(01:05:15):
if you like. But essentially the main points in the
night is like they see move moving objects under the canopy.
So again, you know, because the Awtenness lighthouse gets brought up,
you know by the skeptics, quite a lot of the
saying a skeptics, well, he actually actually he says he's
been back to the site and he's you know, he's

(01:05:37):
documented going back to the sight of his kernel lot
and he's actually said, look like, I see the lighthouse
is there? This object was you know a few degrees
away from it, so he knew, he knew what he
was looking at. But there is one part of the
tape where he sees the light and he says, there is,
there is again, there is again, And people have put
that side by side with a lighthouse and it just

(01:05:58):
it just coincides with the rotation, you know, the lighthouse.
So it's easy for skeptics to say, well, he was
obviously looking at the lighthouse, because you know, because of that,
so I I had any one sort of one brain cell,
you know, it's not the lighthouse. Well yeah, I mean
these people were stationed there for a while, so and
actually I think it was was it Burrows and Penticen

(01:06:18):
on the first night when they returned, that this is
the good see the lighthouse, so they knew they weren't
looking at the lighthouse. And then they actually make a
point of saying that a few times it was not
the lighthouse.

Speaker 2 (01:06:26):
Yes, I think Burrows. I think Burrows said that the
second time that they saw something it was actually the lighthouse,
but they realized quickly that's what that was.

Speaker 5 (01:06:34):
That's right, Yeah, that's the first night. And it's so
we know these people, I mean, god, you'd you're very
pretty pretty fucking worried. Wouldn't you have these guys patrolling
and scoring an alleged nuclear facility or nuclear weapons anyway? Yeah, yeah,
I couldn't tell a difference between a lighthouse and something foreign,

(01:06:57):
you know, And.

Speaker 2 (01:06:58):
Even if that was the case, it's only explained some
I mean, that doesn't explain seeing a football shaped object
darting in between trees, dripping molden metal. It doesn't say
show that the ray of light that would shine down
upon them, or go over top of the nuclear facility
and shine down on it. You know that the lights

(01:07:19):
are designed to do one thing, and it's not shined
straight down onto something after it's never done it before.
I mean, that's just you know, you can only use
that as an excuse for so much.

Speaker 5 (01:07:29):
Absolutely, but they do. But yeah, so just baking breaking
down the whole tape then, and obviously what's happened on
that night. Obviously, like I was referring to earlier, the readiness.
You know, they're going out with guide and count as
the star scope. They've got the lightholes ready. Even though
the lightholes when they took them out they didn't work,

(01:07:50):
did they Initially They had to go and fetch a
moval on. And the light all is just basically one
of these gas generated generated light you know what you
can just put up like on motorways or whatever work,
and that I guess you have the same other are yes.
But yeah, so the geig account obviously pays a part

(01:08:12):
because I think it was one twenty five in the morning,
so this will be the morning of the twenty seventh.
I believe. They go out. Obviously, the light all fails,
so that's a problem, but they can see the lights,
the follow it and they find where there's and I
know you alluded to do this earlier on, but they
find the landing site, and again it's the spot straight away,

(01:08:35):
and I mean, this is nighttime in a forest, and
they spot these indentations, free indentations in the ground. So
again they're going out there expecting to find this, I
would say, because I mean, to find free indentations in
the ground in night it's pretty tricky, in't it.

Speaker 2 (01:08:51):
Yeah, especially when your lights aren't working properly.

Speaker 5 (01:08:53):
Exactly my torch like this point. So obviously they know
what're looking for, which again, you know, makes you wonder
what's really going on. But obviously the guy that character
gives off freedoms at the three points. And also the
trees on the trees facing the landing site and not
on the back of the trees, which is interesting. So

(01:09:14):
any of the you know, the side facing the landing site,
that's the only place you get radiation readings. And again
they see branches on the ground and they look up
and there's a hole in the canopy. So obviously something
comes straight down again, you know, something coming straight down.
But again later on says that you can see lights

(01:09:35):
moving through the forest and UFOs that's been you know,
that's widely reported that they'll change shape, you know, go
by me and in my own UFO site, and that's
exactly what happened. In mind, it was a baller light
and then when a split second appeared as a craft.
So not unusual, but makes you wonder what sort of

(01:09:58):
technology we're talking about when they can do things like that.
So all that goes on, they're getting the latent heat
off the trees with a star light scope. Later on
in the night one forty eight farm animals going mad again.
This is where they start seeing the flashing red light.

(01:10:18):
And then again he says it's about quarter a mile away,
but he sees a red light. He says it forms
the shape under the starscope, which is basically night vision servision. Yeah,
they can see the outline of the objects. And you
say it was an eye shape and it had a
black void in the middle, And at some points on
the tape actually says it looked like it was winking

(01:10:39):
at him, but he does say that it was dropping
molten metal, which some people, Peter Pageant for one, later
goes on to say that what this UFO was there
for was to destroy or you know, to render useless
the nuclear alleged nuclear missiles out of there, and the

(01:10:59):
dropping of this molten metal. What they could see was
possibly this this core, this fuse what they're tooking out
of the taking out these missiles. So but no metal
was ever found as far as we know, so, you know,
another usual point.

Speaker 2 (01:11:15):
That's what I was going to say. I know, he
said hisself on the interview that they went out looking
because it was dripping, so they should be able to
find something, but they could never find anything.

Speaker 5 (01:11:24):
It makes you wonder if it's some sort of energy
that was seeing rather than the metal. I guess. But
unless unless somebody come in afterwards and cleared it up,
because you know, that's the cover up. I hope at
this point probably only knows as much as we do,
you know, well hopefully, but yeah, so I guess. Let

(01:11:47):
me move on to a bit later in the night
and again this At this point, one of the objects
splits into five objects. That's over the fielding. Yeah, so
again we're not talking about the lighthouse here. And I
think it was two to the north and one to
the south again, so we're talking about two points of reference.

(01:12:08):
And this is where it flies back towards him, and
you can aimery on the tape. It's coming towards us.
It's coming in and then all of a sudden it
shines the beam of light down to him. And again
from all the sci fi and sci fi movies, we
know exactly what that looks like. But it beams and
actually holds on record as saying if he took that
as a hostile act almost because you know, you've got
this unknown craft shining a beam of light down a

(01:12:32):
few inches away from your feet. You know it doesn't
sound good, does it. It's like a warning sort of
you'd say, so, wouldn't you, And again looks into a
direction he sees the same. This is about four in
the morning. Now sees the UFO beaming into Woodbridge Base.
You know, the beams of light coming down from the UFO. So,

(01:12:54):
and that's where people say that this UFO was there
looking at the nuclear weapons. And I guess, really, when
you're you know, when you boil all this down, what
else would it be there for.

Speaker 6 (01:13:03):
I just think it was there to make them all
than dirt, that's it. And again I think it was
just beinging it down. Well, technology they've got just made
all the nukes in it.

Speaker 5 (01:13:13):
It's not just So that's what basically Night three, what
I think, what catches me really is this forty five
minutes loss, missing time, missing time, forty five minutes, and
got back to the base. He was missing forty five minutes.
Now what happened in that forty five minutes? Yeah, I
guess the aftermath of all this is obviously it gets

(01:13:38):
out into the public domain, and that's when the skeptics
jump on board with your lighthouse fairies and all the
rest of it. But if I told you this right
in fact, because this is what skeptics never do. This
is this is the big thing that they never did.
I never looked for patterns or anything like that. So
if I said to you objects seeing over air force Gate, yeah,

(01:14:06):
red in color, dripping molten what looks like molten metal,
missing time, and missiles shut down, you'd say I was
talking about.

Speaker 4 (01:14:18):
You.

Speaker 5 (01:14:19):
If I say all that to you, you'd say I
was talking about and possibly at Rendulsham. Yeah, but I'm not.
I'm talking about the nineteen sixty seven Melstrom Air Force
Base in Montana, Great Force Montana again, So you've got
Ezach for the same description, exactly the same event happening,
you know, years prior to this. So that's what skeptics

(01:14:42):
never do. They never look for patterns. They look at
one case in isolation and try and debunk it. You know,
you know, in this case it is the lighthouse. But
that's the sort of thing for me what lends weight
to these sorts of cases, in any sort of paranormal case.
And and I never liked to obviously you've got to

(01:15:02):
some extent you've got to look at in isolation. But
if you know, there's patterns which are going on in
other bases, and this one just going off in an
American basis, This was going off in Russian bases as
well at the same time. Obviously we late found that
out later on as well, because obviously one side couldn't
tell the other that they've lost the nuclear capability for
obvious reasons. Let's muscles no more could So you know,

(01:15:28):
that's an interesting point to note. And then you've got
again during the aftermath. You've got obviously the way everyone
trek Larry Warren and he was the guy who eaked it,
and the way he's been traded because he's the only one,
as you said, that he saw beings. You know, you
want to talk about that a little bit.

Speaker 2 (01:15:49):
Yeah, I mean, because you know that's that is interesting
because there's so much to do with him. He's the
one that leaked the story. He's the one that said
he saw beans, you know, or some just grape whether
he was in the force not in the forest. While
everybody agrees that he was part of the Air Force
at the time, but on the base and during the training,
but never out there. With all that, you know, there

(01:16:11):
is a lot to discuss.

Speaker 5 (01:16:11):
With him, and he says that well, his account says
that when he approached this is night three, when he
approached Holt Holt, and there were some guys with video
cameras and all sorts of things going on, but he
said that whole Holt and some other high ranking officials.
I guess we're talking to three exterrestrials and he's mostly

(01:16:36):
the only person who reports beings. Apart from when you
get to the hypnosis sessions, which are pretty interesting. When
Peniston recalls talking to some beings, I don't know if
you want to tell them about that.

Speaker 6 (01:16:49):
Yeah, well we did that on I look at this,
I don't know. I mean, I've been looking at this
a little bit, but I thought I'll have a look.
This was in I did a lot of research and
this one came up. Peniston apparently had a regression hypnosis
in September nineteen ninety four. Now this is because I
would have thought he would have said this.

Speaker 5 (01:17:09):
But anyway, I've got a transcript, a part of the
transcript here, and it says Jim penistone. They asking me
if I see binary code? I see the binary code.
They had time travelers. They are us, and the hypnotherapist says,
how found the future? Jim says A long time, very
long time. This is what do they want?

Speaker 6 (01:17:28):
And Jim Penson says, not sure, but as what it
has to do with chromosomes or something like that. And
the hypnotherapist says to him, how do they get that?
And Jim says, they take it. He said from where
he said from the other people's bodies. They were interrupted.
They are having problems that the odds are against them,
and it goes on a bit more, bit more, But

(01:17:49):
what basically he's saying is time travelers.

Speaker 5 (01:17:53):
So I guess that's alluding to us coming back from
the future, which is you know, it's a boss people's
chromosomes and the bodies. But this is I think this
is nine one.

Speaker 6 (01:18:05):
You know when he touched the craft, right, because he
does say about the binary code, and they ask him
if I see binary codes.

Speaker 5 (01:18:13):
I do see the binary code. So that's probably alluding
to the fact that he says he got some sort
of mental download and later on the binary code comes out,
he drops it down. Done you. But yeah, so hypnosis again.
You know, that's pretty interesting, isn't it.

Speaker 2 (01:18:32):
Yeah, And that goes back to we touched on back
barely in the story when we were telling the background,
as he did say he saw these zeros and ones,
which is a computer code or a binary code, and
you know, we didn't really expand on that too much,
but you know, he went back and was writing, supposed
that he could remember all these zeros and ones all
in the order, and was basically just where yeah, six pages,

(01:18:56):
just writing all of them down, and those things eventually
were looked at by experts that and I can't. I
wish I hadn't remembered the answer, But I mean, there
was like six different experts from different countries that all
looked at this now all came to the same conclusion
on what it meant, and I don't. I don't remember
what it was that it meant, so it's really pointless
for me to bring it up.

Speaker 5 (01:19:14):
Yeah, well, I can probably help you out there. I
think I remember it was one of the well, the
key points where it was, the part where it said
exploit exploration of the of humanity continue was for planetary advance.

Speaker 2 (01:19:29):
That's right, that's exactly what it was. I knew it
on the show, I said, I knew. It's great having
you guys on the show. I know you'd beuibd a
fill in the blanks I didn't have.

Speaker 5 (01:19:39):
Yeah, but see, the binary code itself is controversial because
he didn't he didn't actually, I mean, he mentioned it
in ninety four, but he didn't actually really don't actually
produce the documents till I think it was like twenty
years after the event. So again people saying, well, if
you had this sort of evidence, why didn't he you know,
produce it, right, at the big in. But in his

(01:20:01):
defense he says he doesn't he didn't understand what it
was at the time, which you know, notes and ones.

Speaker 2 (01:20:07):
You wouldn't, would you You wouldn't, but you would think
there it's got to be some kind of importance. I
mean that, you know, if I had six pages worth
of nothing, but you know, zeros and ones, I would
think it's kind of important to bring up to somebody.

Speaker 5 (01:20:20):
You'd think so when youah, well, he done so. Again,
That's why it's pretty controversial and to some to some extent,
people say it harms the case in you know, later
on producing this because obviously you know, which is understandable.
But one of the things that did come out in
the binary code was some coordinates and you know northwest coordinates,

(01:20:42):
and it actually when they put them into a computer,
it actually sent it right on High Brazil. Do you
know about High Brazil?

Speaker 2 (01:20:50):
Briefly? Won't you explain to me because you'll probably give
me a better insight than what I already have.

Speaker 5 (01:20:56):
Yeah, I thought Tracy was going to say she knew,
But essentially High Brazil is if you if you're familiar
with Atlantis, it's essentially it's a similar island. It's off
the island. Sorry, it's off island. It's an island off island, Okay,

(01:21:17):
So but it's a little island where the local said
these people had an ornimous amount of wealth. They had
run hot running hot and cold running water and all this,
you know, high technology, and then one night it was there,
next night it was gone. So again we're the same
with the legend of Atlantis type thing, and we're talking

(01:21:38):
about one. Yeah, this is what I like, but it's
a little but I mean, it was a advanced civilization
that lived there, and so them coordinates in the binary
code coming out over that particular spot, which you know
some people think Atlantas and all that Saliens as well,
is strange.

Speaker 2 (01:21:56):
I'd say, well, tell me, tell me a little bit
about your guys opinions of the whole hypnosis thing of
actually going in and because I know Burroughs went through
some hypnosis, I know Peniston went through some, and both
of them had some major breakthroughs and what came out.
But what what are your thoughts on on how believable

(01:22:19):
that is.

Speaker 5 (01:22:22):
I think it happened. I think I think they went
in and I'm not saying interrogation.

Speaker 6 (01:22:27):
I think I think that the the the government or
the powers or whoever it was, they want to know
what they actually saw, you know, really sort of so
that was all sort of blanked out inn once I
found out the information is it get it out of
his mind, blanket, that's it. That's so that's my personal opinion.
Hopefully the hypnosis sort of resurfaced their memories. I mean,

(01:22:48):
the only again, like I said, the hypnosis aspect of it,
I take a pinch of salt, because really it's it's
not great testimony.

Speaker 5 (01:22:58):
It wouldn't stand up in court with it, no, butlearly
a bit of interest. Really. What stands out from what
we talked about about the time travel and aspect of
it as well. But the one keynote I suppose from
the hypnosisition with penistone is that he mentioned it can
hear the people that are interrogating him the name, because
the hypnotist asks in the name who's interrogating him, and

(01:23:19):
he says, I can hear the name. They're obviously in
a different room, he said, I can hear him talking,
and it says they're saying the name is the SA
or C eight And obviously this is in nineteen ninety
four and it won't for another was it ten years
or something like that when the documents came out from
the mod you know over in the UK where they

(01:23:40):
actually refered to this unit called the SSA and said
that they were handling the situation. So, you know, it
corroborates what he was saying under hypnosis. So whether he
you know, so, I guess you've got a heou'd assume
that he didn't know that. You know, that wasn't a memory,
it was something that was brought out from it. So

(01:24:01):
but you know that that's pretty interesting to me. But
the rest of it, I'm not so sure.

Speaker 2 (01:24:07):
So let's do this as we approach the end of
this interview, and I do want to tell everybody out
there listening, if you like what you've heard, this is
pretty much exactly how their podcast goes. This is just
like the last forty minutes or so, it's just like
listening to their podcast. So, uh, you guys, if you've
liked this, you really love it. And you guys have
thirty some episodes to be able to go back and

(01:24:27):
binge on h when when these guys find out what
are some tell me some of the past topics you
guys have done to the listeners here. I know you've
done some UFO stuff and you've done the The dog
Man's But talk about some of the other topics you
guys have discussed.

Speaker 5 (01:24:43):
Well, we've done some.

Speaker 6 (01:24:46):
Cuba Cabra Cuba Cabra, did the gd one as well,
a bit of the old myth on the Geni and
that was that was good fun time slips.

Speaker 5 (01:24:57):
We don't don't quite Dog's line.

Speaker 6 (01:25:00):
I've also done I think when I we first got together,
I did a one of the astral realms and the
realms of the Earth and the stuff and all that.

Speaker 2 (01:25:08):
So big big Foot. Sorry I said you did Bigfoot.
You had a guest on talking about Bigfoot just recently.

Speaker 5 (01:25:16):
Yeah, well Maria came on me. Maria, she was fantastic.
That was interesting, really was you know, that was something
unique really listen to talking about Stone Engine, the elongated
schools found there, which again the last person who saw
them schools was nineteen thirty before she laid eyes on them.
So again it's another part of the cover up. Not

(01:25:38):
just mom. I mean I was going to say, not
just alien.

Speaker 6 (01:25:42):
It was in the movies one it where you know,
where the Romans came and found all the Britons was
all animals and you know there's all you know, everything else,
but apparently wasn't like that, you know, the Britain was.

Speaker 5 (01:25:52):
It was a very beautiful place won by the Druids.
Priests priests and Priestess is one of so you know,
it's fascinat he gets people, but all sorts of ship
I mean shadow Men, shadow People, shadow Man, Yeah, shadow Man,
and again, most of the shows that we do are
in some way linked to experiences that we've had or

(01:26:14):
you know, the Shadow People saw one of those. That's
why we did that. Obviously, the UFO stuf I've seen
one of those. That's why we did that. You know,
we all do a lances.

Speaker 6 (01:26:24):
We did a couple of parts of the Alantis and
the Yeah, the human origin, human origins of Avantis and
so much for everybody.

Speaker 2 (01:26:32):
So let's let's end on this. Guys, if you had
to give a brief each of you give a brief
ending to whether you believe or what you believe actually
happened at brindlestrom Forest.

Speaker 6 (01:26:46):
Yeah, definitely, UFO or alien encounter, what do you want
to call it? I don't think it's I've got different
opinions on UFOs and aliens, so I'm going to for
definitely UFOs. But I believe it's uh, not off world.
I think it's here. I mean, you don't know d

(01:27:09):
I mean, it could be Russian stuff. It could be,
but it makes you one don't know what technology the
superpowers supposedly superpowers have got.

Speaker 5 (01:27:18):
I mean, they could just be toys, and you know,
I'd go along with that. I think I think there's
enough evidence here with the casts, obviously, all the corroborating
witness testimony, the documents that have been released, the trail
that's there. Now, I know that was someone else, but
you know, I think something happened. I think the the

(01:27:41):
UFO was essentially that. Again, I can't say for sure
who was occupying it, if anybody was, could just be
some sort of drone on it. But it does maybe
wonder why they're so interested in our nuclear weapons if
allegedly the nuclear weapons were there. But now I'd have
to I'd have to go down with something happened, and

(01:28:02):
it was obviously for the cover up and all the
rest of it to take place, it must have been foreign,
whether that was alien or not. Possible, you have to say.
I mean, also my take on it is that I
know we've got views by for every believe that no
nuclear stripe will ever ever happen on this planet. Well,

(01:28:23):
these powers want it to happen, but it seems these
other beings say no, you will not play with the matches.
You know to me, so I know where war and
kill each other what you want to do, but no
nuclear weapons will ever be I know, Jerry, you're not
some massive into the UFO accounts and all the rest
of it. So what what do you? What do you
take on this? Do you where do you sign on it?

Speaker 2 (01:28:44):
I think I'm pretty much with you, guys. I mean,
I've never really thought about the nuclear interference from aliens,
but that, I mean, actually is a concept that's worth
looking into. But I think pretty much the what you
guys do. That something happened. I don't think it was,
you know, a craft from the Soviet Union or anything

(01:29:05):
like that. I think it was definitely something from from
another planet, another universe, whatever the case may be. I
think we're pretty arrogant to even think that there's not
life outside of us. It's just stupid, to be honest
with you, anybody who thinks that way, You know, how
can how can we be know so little about all

(01:29:27):
the other galaxies and stuff out there? I mean, just
recently we're starting to find other planets that are similar
to Earth, and we've only got a small reach to
be able to even see where some of these planets are.
There's universes out there that we couldn't even fathom exist.

Speaker 6 (01:29:42):
And then you through wib holes as well, and from there,
you know, from there, and they are the planets that
they tell us about. Yeah, well BBC is there's at
least six billionaires in the system.

Speaker 2 (01:29:53):
Yeah, so, but that's that's why I started the show.
What usually, I'm not fascinated so much with the the
alien stories and the UFO side. It's just because to me,
that's just you know, it might as well be a
plain As far as I'm concerned, I'm convinced they're out there.
It doesn't surprise me anybody sees them. And to be
honest with you, I'm the same way with Bigfoot. You know,
I don't think that's unusual to think that there's creatures

(01:30:16):
out there that I mean, we're always finding some kind
of species of fish or something that we we were
told was extinct or we were told, you know, didn't
even know existed. So why would it be so hard
to believe there's you know, some type of a bigger
species of animal that we just can't keep, you know,
catch up with.

Speaker 5 (01:30:32):
Absolutely. I mean I know I say this. I say,
there's a lot of people but who don't believe in Bigfoot.
I mean away from the UK, so I mean, you know,
we're arms distance from it all. But I always say
to people who don't believe in Bigfoot, I say, there's
more evidence for Bigfoot than there is for Jesus. You
believe Jesus story. So you know, there's footprints is here,

(01:30:53):
there's blood obviously, you know there's plenty of signs of
Jesus and stuff like that, but we don't get the
footprints and all the rest of it. So we did
to show up giants. To me, in no way, there's
something going on, Like I said, that stranger than you know,
it's just stranger than you could imagine. Really what's going
on out there?

Speaker 2 (01:31:13):
The show is Don't Break the Olth Podcast and this
is Lee and Andy. We appreciate you guys being on,
Thank you so much. I think it's been a hell
of an addition to this show. It's this is going
to be our longest show ever. So you guys contributed
to that mainly mainly because you don't shut up.

Speaker 5 (01:31:29):
Uh we do, We just keep talking talking, you do.

Speaker 2 (01:31:34):
Well, No, it's been it's been fun. All kidding aside,
it's been fun. And we knew it was going to
do this. But you know this this interview here, we
we've been on the air for about fifty minutes, just us.
So that's that's a normal show for us. But that's
what I wanted. I wanted to be able to have
a complete collaboration between you guys and be able to
show people, you know, what your show's like and what

(01:31:55):
our shows like and try to mix it up a
little bit. So we were thankful you guys came on.
And I think our listeners will get a true taste
of what your show is really like now.

Speaker 5 (01:32:03):
Yeah, and then they hopefully, well they'll probably think I
won't listen to any of that ship Oh.

Speaker 4 (01:32:10):
Well, you guys to listen just for your accent.

Speaker 5 (01:32:13):
I have a could you understand this?

Speaker 4 (01:32:16):
Though I could, I could understand you. I have a
guy that works across the hall from us, and his
name is George Hill and he's he's got that accent too,
and I just love to hear him talk. So I
guess Ninja likes it too.

Speaker 2 (01:32:29):
So yeah, it's absolutely but we thank you guys for
coming on. We appreciate it. And uh, everybody go out
and give them a listen if you haven't already, and
uh go ahead and binge listen on. I think you'll
you'll be addicted, and uh, do us a favor of
these guys are on. Tell them your Twitter and your
You've got a new website too, they'll tell everybody about that.

Speaker 5 (01:32:49):
Yeah, the website is brand new, so you can't actually
find it without I think it's on the second page
of Google at the moment. So yeah, so basically the
website is w W dot don't break the old podcast
dot com all or one word obviously on one phrase,
I guess is the word, and then Twitter is Facebook.

(01:33:11):
Twitter will be at dbt O podcast if you want
to send a message. But yeah, so thanks for having us. Yeah,
thank you. Really enjoyed it and I really enjoyed it.
I know I've only been listening to your show a
short while because you know, I got I got put
onto It by Phil Phil from Scared Podcast. But you're

(01:33:34):
one of the podcasts what I listened to, because I
listened to a few podcasts where I listened to one
or two and then I think I'm not interested anymore,
and I just turn it off and I never go
back to it. But yours is one of those ones
where I listened to one or two of your episodes
and I felt like I've known you for years, so
you've got that going for you.

Speaker 2 (01:33:52):
Will then bring us to our reincarnation episode, which is
definitely is definitely definitely true.

Speaker 4 (01:34:00):
Is it my singing?

Speaker 5 (01:34:01):
Is that what it is? I love to singing. I
love the Elvis. Yeah, yeah, Well I'm going to do it.

Speaker 4 (01:34:09):
I'm going to do a wrap next one, so y'all
be ready.

Speaker 5 (01:34:12):
I'm not so keen on the wrapping, but they can
do a bit more of their own.

Speaker 2 (01:34:16):
Well, guys, thank you so much, and everybody out there listening.
If you give a listen to the show and you
like it, send them a message on Twitter. Tell them
you heard about them on our show, so they're know
how many new listeners are getting from their appearance here.
Same thing on Facebook. Just send them a message, tell
them you heard them on here, or send them an email,
go to the website and let them know that you

(01:34:37):
appreciate them coming on the show.

Speaker 4 (01:34:39):
Absolutely, thank you guys so much. We really enjoyed it.

Speaker 2 (01:34:41):
And now we'll bring you guys on in the future
when we do another British story. We'll break try to
get you on a couple of times a year and
and make this a kind of a annual send my.

Speaker 5 (01:34:50):
Annual thing look forward to Jay. Yeah, it's right.

Speaker 2 (01:34:54):
Thank you so much, and we'll see you later.

Speaker 5 (01:34:56):
Thank you, take care, Thank you. Cheers, guys, bye, cheers.
They would like to thank you folks for kind of
dropping in. We're all invited back next week for this
locality to have a heap and helping of their hospitality.

(01:35:19):
You'll believe that is I'll come back now here.