2035 Blair witch and El Chupacabra

Tracy and Jerry talk about the inspiration behind the Blair Witch Project, Moll Dyer from Maryland. Jason and Sam from Not Alone Podcast join us to talk about El Chupacabra and Hy Brasil.

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hellllo, he'll Billy family, How are you today? I trust
and hope that this has been a wonderful wink for you.
If it has not, sit back, breathe and things will
get better. Don't overthink it, don't stress. Breeze there. Don't

(00:28):
you feel better well? I ever want to keep this
introduction very quick today, if you don't mind, and I
do apologize. I had just got home from two weeks
out of state working and have my grandson's birthday party
yesterday and church this morning and lunch with the family

(00:49):
after that. So as you can imagine, my honeyde list
is quite large at this point, so I do need
to make this quick so I can make my honey
a happy lady. I do want to say one thing
real quick that you are going to see just a
few extra commercials throughout the podcast. As you all know,

(01:12):
Tracy does not have Jerry's income to help pay the
bills and you know, buy food and all of that.
And now I'm not going to get into her personal life.
That is not my place. But her income is smaller,
but the bills are not, so in order to help
her out, it's a little more, I'm going to add

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just a couple more ads to the podcast to help
boost a little bit of that money coming in to
help her out just a little bit more. I Am
going to try to keep it pre manageable, hopefully not
too irritating for you guys. But we got We've got
a little miss Tracey take care of, don't we. So

(01:54):
with all that sin. On this week's episode, Jerry and
Tracy talk about the inspiration behind the Blair Witch Project
Ma Dyer from Maryland. Now that I know a lot
of people give that movie hate, I'd like that movie.
I don't like the ones after, but the original one

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masterpiece and in my book, and then after I talked
about that, Jason and Sam from Not Alone podcast joined
them to talk about the el Coopa Cavra and the
Hybrid Zoo. So kickback, enjoy this episode, and again if
you are stressed, stop relax, Breathe good now, Go have

(02:47):
a good day, Go have a better week, and give
that special somebody you had a big hug.

Speaker 2 (02:54):
God bless you.

Speaker 3 (03:10):
Domb felt right down there, ravind wholesome reality and questionable time.

Speaker 4 (03:14):
But you just can't let it.

Speaker 3 (03:15):
Goldie do right here putting on the show with have
a normal over low with Southern hospitality. Haunt and murder
may have him one discussing their mortality locations where a
north past hits the read that comes to light you
billy's with a knack or happy thing to go? Don't
at night hope, but they get to be my dumpty too?

Speaker 5 (03:34):
What have he turned on the light?

Speaker 3 (03:35):
Mixing in a little comedy to make sure that all.

Speaker 2 (03:38):
Fish is just right? Well, who to a hill billy
horror story?

Speaker 4 (03:43):
Now here's your home, Jerry break Tackler's don issue and
sometimes they're tack preddy, but never the Paris.

Speaker 6 (03:55):
This is Michelle Rodriguez from Hillsborough, California, and you're listening
to kill Billy horror stories.

Speaker 4 (04:01):
Hey guys, we're gonna till billy horror stories.

Speaker 7 (04:03):
I'm Jerry and I'm Tracy.

Speaker 4 (04:06):
Tracy. As usual, we want to thank all of our
military and civil servants all over the world, no matter
which country you represent, as long as you're one of
the good guys, we just want to say thank you
for what you do for us every single day. To
the men and women and service animals.

Speaker 6 (04:20):
Out there, continue prayers for you, guys. Thank you for
keeping us safe. Always, always, always praying for you all.
Thank you for all you guys do for us.

Speaker 4 (04:31):
Tracy's It's been another one of those weeks where we've
talked to a lot of people that are struggling going
through some things. We just we want to make sure
everybody realizes that the group is a safe place. I've
seen a couple of people post because they felt like
there was no other place that they could post with

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whatever situation they had going on, and I'm glad that
people feel that way. I just want to make sure
that everybody realizes that it is a safe place. Obviously,
you can contact myself with Tracy or you can you know,
if you need a professional service. There are professional services
out there obviously, places like Betterhelp who've been sponsors on
the show in the past, and Tracy what else could

(05:13):
they do?

Speaker 6 (05:14):
You can call nine eight eight the crisis hotline. You
can also text is seven four one seven four to one.
We love you guys and just reach out to us.

Speaker 4 (05:24):
Please welcome everybody to episode forty of Hillbilly Horror Stories,
and we'd like to start off by wishing all of
you mothers out there a happy Mother's Day.

Speaker 6 (05:34):
Happy Mother's Day.

Speaker 4 (05:36):
As mother's rock, of course, this is Jerry, and I'm
joined by the mother of the hour, Tracy.

Speaker 7 (05:43):
That's right, we rock.

Speaker 4 (05:44):
If there's one thing I can definitely say, she is
definitely a mother. We have got a really good show
for you guys tonight. Hopefully this is a subject that
not a lot of people have heard about. We're going
to talk about Maul Dyer, which is the witch from

(06:05):
Maryland that most people will tell you that the Blair
Witch project was kind of based off of.

Speaker 6 (06:11):
Yeah, it's really an interesting story and I don't know,
I can just still see things in my mind after
I've kind of watched the show and stuff like that,
so it's pretty interesting.

Speaker 4 (06:23):
So if you heard that, that's pretty shocking. Not that oh,
not about the witch, but the fact that Tracy actually
watched something that's about the show all.

Speaker 5 (06:35):
Go me.

Speaker 4 (06:36):
In her defense, she did not do it on her own.
She was kind of forced to because I was watching it.
She just happened to be in the room.

Speaker 6 (06:41):
Oh it was good though, seriously.

Speaker 4 (06:44):
But we've got that story for you. I've got a
kind of a cool story. It's it's not going to
be a long story, but it's something I found in
the news that actually a buddy by Missy Goodpastor sent me.
But it's a story of a house up in Tacoma,
Washington that you're gonna want to hear about because it's
kind of a cool story. Then we're going to talk

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to the guys Sam and Jason from Not Alone podcast
And if you guys haven't heard this podcast yet, it's
a very intelligently done podcast. And what I mean by
that is there's a lot of shows like ours that
just people come out and they babble or they talk
about stuff, and I'm including our show in with that
their show that these guys are two college educated guys

(07:27):
that almost take a philosophical approach to some of this,
and it's just a different twist than what most of
the paranormal shows are. And most of it some of
it's paranormal, some of it's not paranormal. Some of it's
like you know this talking about King Tut and a
few other things like that. But I don't know you'll
hear them at What they're going to do is is
they're going to talk about Cheop of Cabra for us.

(07:49):
Because that is Michelle Rodriguez who you heard in the beginning.
That's one of her requests, and I've been putting it
off and putting it off because I'm just not that
interested in cheop of Cabra. But they talked about it
on their show and it was really laid out in
a way that I thought was actually interesting. So I thought, well,
let's have them guys on and let's have them talk

(08:09):
about it, since Jason is really fascinated by the subject
and he knew a lot of details that were different
than anything I'd ever heard.

Speaker 7 (08:16):
I don't even know how you say that word el chipcabra.

Speaker 6 (08:18):
Oh see, I didn't even know hear no L.

Speaker 4 (08:21):
I didn't say l the first time.

Speaker 7 (08:22):
Oh, but that's just it for real. That just means
the so wasn't me.

Speaker 6 (08:26):
I mean, what does it say that word again?

Speaker 4 (08:27):
Chip a cabra?

Speaker 5 (08:30):
What? What? Oh my god?

Speaker 6 (08:31):
I said it again?

Speaker 4 (08:32):
Just say chiloopah and be done with it.

Speaker 7 (08:34):
To say supa cabra cabra.

Speaker 4 (08:37):
And I'm not even saying it right, I should, you know.

Speaker 6 (08:41):
But you know what I thought of when I heard
King tut Steve Martin.

Speaker 2 (08:48):
Is it any other thing?

Speaker 4 (08:49):
If you remember we talked, we talked about Rendel from
Forrest a couple of weeks ago, And one of the
things we talked about but didn't get into big detail
is how Captain Penston had really and all the zeros
and the ones down in his book and and that
was a binary code and that actually a couple of
years ago he was doing something for ancient and aliens
and uh, he gave them these codes and they turned

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out to be locations on maps. And one of the
locations is High Brazil, and High Brazil is over off
the coast of Ireland. It actually doesn't exist now. It's
kind of like and think of Atlantis. Everybody knows what
Atlantis is, and that was kind of the same thing,
but it was on maps and its supposed to have
been a group of people living there that were highly
intelligent and then it just disappeared. But some people swear

(09:33):
that they see the island appear like right before their
eyes and then it just disappears.

Speaker 7 (09:38):
Well, how does it just how does it disappear?

Speaker 4 (09:40):
Maybe I don't know. That's what I got these guys
on the show. I know nothing about this. This is
that's what This is the kind of stuff that these
guys talk about on the show. But it does tige
into the rentals from Forest. So they're going to talk
about those two subjects tonight, the uh High Brazil and
uh L CHIPICCAPRAA okay, so pretty cool. That's going to
be the main of it. Now, we got a couple

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It sounds good to me.

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all the shout outs. We greatly appreciated, guys. Let's get
on with the show. Of course, we played Witchy Woman
by the Eagles.

Speaker 6 (16:57):
That's j Hey, you know what I don't well so well,
we were talking earlier about some other songs that would
have went perfect for this episode, but we'll go on
with with They won't get it yet, I know. So
that's why I'm not saying nothing. But we had so

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many songs that would relate to this so so much.

Speaker 4 (17:20):
So we get finished with a story, we'll tell you
some of the other songs that do. But obviously Mold
Dyer is a witch, and that's why we chose Witchy
Woman ultimately. Yeah, so let's get into it. You know,
we like to give you guys a little bit of background.
And like we told you, she actually was the plot
for the Blair Witch, not one hundred percent you know
the movie was based on, but just the fact of

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the witch in the woods more or less was the
whole thing. But this took place in Leonardtown, Maryland. Ricky'd
be glad we're doing this once since he's from Maryland.
Leonardtown was a very fertile as far as the land,
it was a very fertile place. It's surrounded by water,
and back in sixteen thirties is when and the colonists
kind of started migrating to Leonardtown. Tobacco was there a

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big cash crop. That's how they made their money back then.
The weather wise in Leintertown, it's typically a little cooler
in the summer because there is so much water. The
winters are fairly mild. They get snow once maybe twice
a year. But in sixteen ninety seven the winter was
actually brutal. There was something that came through that they

(18:26):
call a light ice age, which basically meant that it
just for some reason, everything was colder for a period
of time.

Speaker 6 (18:35):
So like, every winter was not like that.

Speaker 4 (18:37):
No, every winter was not like that, But in sixteen
ninety seven it was horrible. Temperatures were bottoming out in
the single digits. Wind chill would have been below zero definitely,
So that's you know, the way normally it would have
been in the twenties worst case, and this was you know,
it was you know, you got all you had blizzard conditions,

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you got all these super strong winds, much more snow
than they would normally have. And you know, in these
days there was no meteorologies, so.

Speaker 7 (19:08):
If there was no mother Nature was tripping.

Speaker 4 (19:10):
Yeah, well, I mean mother Nature was tripping. But also
people didn't have any way of knowing what was going
and they didn't know why it was so bad. So
being back in the sixteen hundreds, people always had to
have a reason to claime it on something. So obviously
their reason was the town was cursed and the winter

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was so bad that food was scarce, lots of people died,
and that just made it even worse. Muldyre was an
old woman, a very ugly woman. I will point out,
it was very It was listed in several occasions that
she was like hideous.

Speaker 6 (19:47):
Well she can't help that.

Speaker 4 (19:48):
Well no, but that's sixteen hundreds. You're hideous. You live
out in the woods by yourself, you know. But she
was a very eccentric woman, Like I said, she lived
out in her own in the woods. The townspeople decided
that she was a witch, and she was behind the curse.
Even though they knew nothing about a curse, they just
assumed there was a curse and she had to be

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behind it. Her actions didn't really help anything, because as
far as image wise, people knew that she was out
on her own. This winter was horrible, and where people
had huge families kind of helping each other just survive,
she was just all by herself. But yet she didn't
seem to be struggling at all where everybody else was struggling. Well, mean,

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she's by herself, well right, but I mean, how's this
old woman able to just make ends meat and get
all the food and everything together she needed in the
worst winter that anybody's ever seen. Well, you know, they're
just saying what she used to do is and this
wouldn't really met with real friendly reason either with the people.

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She used to gather all kinds of herbs and stuff.
When it would be warm outside, she'd gather herbs and
stuff like that because she was good like a medicine woman.
She was good at making remedies and stuff. So she
would sell these herbs that she would gather in these
sticks and make little remedy baskets, and she would trade
them to the Indians for pelts and stuff like that.

Speaker 6 (21:13):
That was because I was going to say, Okay, she's
good enough for the medicine for the people, but then
the tables turned.

Speaker 4 (21:21):
Well, I wouldn't say she was good enough for the
people because she actually would. People would feel forced to
buy the stuff from her because they thought if they
didn't buy it, she would curse them. So it's almost
like she's she's like, here's some sticks, give me some money,
or some of the consequences. The townspeople were afraid of her,
but they dealt with her for years. I mean she'd

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lived there, like seven eight years of them crossing pass
and it's just like you know, when people would see her,
they just would kind of avoid her and talk about her,
but they wouldn't have any contact with her. So the
weather got so bad in sixteen ninety seven it was
actually listed in the Maryland in Council meeting logs as

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the longest winter in history. It was enough where they
felt the need. It was so cold that that all
the crops and died, so then they had a lot
of the live stock died. So these people were that's
why they were starving. They said that the rivers would
actually freeze as they You could watch the rivers freeze.

(22:24):
It was so cold. You know, obviously it's not going
to stop flowing like fro solid, but they're just you know,
it was frozen around, you know, the sides of it
and stuff like that were really narrowed the ways. Maul
Dyer obviously, she's, like I said, she's surviving one of
the harshest winters. And I just had people talking with
the colonies, trying to gather their wits about them and

(22:48):
trying to make some sense of this winter. They also
got hit with this huge I won't say a plague,
it was more of an outbreak of influenza, but it
basically a lot of people started dying from it. You
had people starving to death. Now you've got this illness
where everybody's dying.

Speaker 7 (23:03):
That's terrible.

Speaker 4 (23:04):
Somebody had to be to blame, and it had to
be witchcraft. So they decided they were going to do
something with Muldarn. To keep in mind, during this time,
witchcraft was punishable by death. It was against the law
and it was punsible death. And on the coldest night
of the year, the townspeople they became judge and jury

(23:25):
torches in hand. They went to Muldyr's house. They set
the house on fire. It was completely engulfed in flames.
Temperature was right around zero degrees that night. Uh no,
probably ten below zero with the wind show factor. Somehow
another Muldyre gets out of the house. They don't see her,

(23:49):
but she's out. She kind of retreats back to the woods.

Speaker 8 (23:53):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (23:53):
Well, I mean, I'm sure she had to see him coming.

Speaker 7 (23:56):
Well with all the flames.

Speaker 4 (23:57):
Yeah so, I mean, but she the the story says
that she kind of went to the edge of the
woods to where she could hear the animals and stuff
screaming from being burned alive.

Speaker 6 (24:06):
Oh, don't tell me that.

Speaker 4 (24:10):
And like I said, the guys didn't hear. And then
some people say, well, how did she get out? They
set the house on fire and all this stuff. But
some people say that satan and kind of enveloped her.
Is it enveloped? Enveloped? Because I always say I don't
like people to say, hand me an envelope so I
can send this letter envelope. It's not an envelope. It's

(24:34):
not an envelope. It's an envelope. But in this case,
I think it's better to say enveloped her into the
smoke and kind of set her down into the woods.
That's what the story is. Yeah, I don't know if
Satan's really into that business or not, or if that's
so she's on the edge that Now, keep in mind,

(24:57):
with the weather as bad as it is, she's got
nothing but the clothes on her back. She's she's not
prepared to be out there in sub zero temperature, and
you know she's like just roaming through the woods. Well,
the rumor is, as she's strolling through the woods, she's

(25:18):
basically cursing the town, knowing that she probably doesn't have
long to live. She's cursing the town. Now. I think
the people that burned down, the townspeople, they thought that
she died in the fire. They wasn't really sure. But
what happened was several days later, this younger, younger guy,
probably a teenager I think, was roaming through the woods.

(25:39):
He was trying to round up some cattle that had
gotten out, and he comes across her body. Now you
need to kind of picture this. She was frozen solid.
She was down on her knees. One of her knees
was touching this big rock, think of boulder, boulder of

(25:59):
her knees was touching the rock, her left hand was
on the rock, and her right hand was raised towards
the heavens.

Speaker 7 (26:07):
Oh yeah, as if she was like cursing, curse you, yeah,
you mofos.

Speaker 4 (26:14):
And I'm sure that's exactly how it went in sixteen
ninety seven and the mofos.

Speaker 6 (26:21):
Cursed now, mofos.

Speaker 4 (26:25):
But that's how they found her.

Speaker 7 (26:26):
Oh my gosh.

Speaker 6 (26:27):
So she was literally frozen solid with her hand straight
up in the air.

Speaker 4 (26:35):
Yeah, right hand in the air, left hand on the rock.

Speaker 6 (26:37):
Yes, and like her fingerprints were in the rock.

Speaker 4 (26:41):
Yes, thanks for stalling that part of the story. But uh,
since I hadn't mentioned that yet, so I.

Speaker 7 (26:45):
Told you I watched the show.

Speaker 4 (26:47):
Let's go back and pretend, uh I didn't hear that. Yeah,
let's go back and pretend you didn't hear that. When
they pulled her off of the rock, her fingerprints from
her left hand were imprinted into the boulder, not like
finger rants on there, like embedded, like deep, you know,
each finger had its own little crevice into the rock.

Speaker 7 (27:08):
So I wouldn't that far ahead the story.

Speaker 4 (27:11):
But it didn't matter. You said it, and we hadn't
talked about it yet, so you said it as a
matter of fact, like we already talked about it. Ew,
you can't watch any of this stuff anymore.

Speaker 6 (27:20):
See, that's why I'm saying, that's why I can't watch
this stuff anymore.

Speaker 4 (27:24):
They buried her in it's freezing rain, a dreary day,
but they buried her, and they buried her extra deep,
about a mile from town, and that's where she supposedly
still is now. As far as the rock, we're going
to get into that a little later.

Speaker 6 (27:43):
Did they bury her in a box or do they
just put her body down in the ground.

Speaker 7 (27:48):
I don't know.

Speaker 6 (27:49):
Well, if you think about that, well I don't think
it really matters. They have to snap her arm off.
If they put her in a box, they.

Speaker 4 (27:57):
Could have thought her out. Oh nobody said they just
took her straight over there.

Speaker 7 (28:01):
No, that's true.

Speaker 6 (28:02):
Okay, near mind go ahead. Sorry, Sorry, I was just
thinking about that.

Speaker 4 (28:07):
I mean, I'm just thinking about it. I'm actually digging
a hole that's shaped like.

Speaker 6 (28:12):
Kind of dropped her down.

Speaker 4 (28:14):
When those operation pizzas pieces or something. So anyways, she's
buried and they think everything is completely done as far
as they're concerned. There's a funny thing though, all these
you know, these things started happening. They had all these
different incidents started happening from that point on. And what

(28:37):
she did was, they said, the curse that she put
on the town was basically for them to have horrible
crops forever and for any of the families that lived
in that town to just be no luck whatsoever. Everything
was just bad luck in their life. And that's the
way it was designed to be. And the little town,
I mean, it's it looks like a quaint little town.

(28:59):
And everybody that town knows the legend of Muldyr. They
have Muldayr Road, which is right there on her property,
or what was her property. They have Muldyr Creek which
is named after her, and that's supposed to be the
area where she came running. Oh I see, she was
running away. That creek was along the lake, which is
why they named it Muldar Creek. There had been a

(29:22):
bunch of strange things happen on or near the property
since all this happened, but especially like Kathy lastly, who
owns the property now that would have been Muldyr's property
back in sixteen ninety seven, when she died. She says
that there are all kinds of crazy things that happen
on the property. She sees things walking along the creek bed,

(29:44):
which was, like I said, the creek that she would
have went down. They see a lady walking around in
like white cloaks, white dress with the bonnet and long
gray hair. There's also sightings out on the road in
front of the property and also been several bad She
tells the story of one time where a guy, if
young guy, comes knocks on the door and says, hey,

(30:05):
you gotta come help. There's been a wreck. Her and
her husband run out there. The cars upside down. The
guy's hanging upside down in his car, his seat belt
won't come loose, and he's attached the cars leaking gasoline.
You know, they're scared to death of k not gonna
get the guy out there, think the car is gonna explode. Eventually,
EMS gets their emergency Medical services and ambulance and they

(30:26):
get out there and they cut the guy loose from
the seat belt and end up saving him. But she
says that's just one of several bad wrecks that happened
right there on that property.

Speaker 6 (30:33):
Yeah, I'm sure there is a bunch of stuff that
go on. So I guess that lady knew that the
story before she bought the house.

Speaker 4 (30:43):
Yeah, she knew. Just most people just they don't look
at it as being a real situation until they're confronted
by it. Now you got Karen Stole for her and
three friends are driving around. This is about thirty five
years ago. Now this is the story, one of the
stories that really kind of blends into the Blair Witch
type philosophy. Karenstoff and her three friends are driving. They

(31:07):
decide they're going to pull over and walk through the woods. Now,
her friends say, hey, don't do that. This is the
Muldire Woods, that's what they call it, the Muldar Woods.
And she's like, well, just you know, you're a bunch
of chicken shits. Let's just do it. They go walking
through the woods, and she said, the whole time they
were there, it's almost like somebody was watching you, Like
somebody was just kind of following you. She said. When

(31:27):
they got kind of to the middle of the woods,
these winds. This is a beautiful day, you know. When
they started walking and these winds just kicked up out
of nowhere about twenty mile an hour winds. That's pretty strong.

Speaker 7 (31:39):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (31:40):
Then all of a sudden there was this random lightning.
Then there was thunder, and it got so bad they
just turned around and they ran back to the road,
and the whole time they felt like something was chasing them.
They get to the road and once they got through
the road, now the wind or out of the woods,
everything stopped. No more light named, no more thunder, beautiful day.

(32:01):
Oh my gosh, no win.

Speaker 6 (32:03):
That's creepy.

Speaker 4 (32:03):
So all that happened just as they were back there.

Speaker 6 (32:07):
So I bet it scared that woman. Now she didn't
I wonder she ever went back in there.

Speaker 4 (32:11):
Well, no, she says, she's never been anywhere close to.

Speaker 7 (32:14):
Oh yeah, I wouldn't be either.

Speaker 6 (32:16):
She's crazy. I never would have went in there.

Speaker 4 (32:18):
Now, we said that we were going to talk a
little more about the rock. This rock where she was
there was missing for years and years and years. Just
nobody knew where it was. I mean, it was in
the ground still, but that's that's just where it was,
and nobody could actually say this is where the rock was. Well,
this this guy decided he wanted to find out where

(32:38):
this rock was. He came to town he starts talking
to people. He finds this really old guy that says,
I remember singing that rock when I was a boy.
They go track it down. It's actually in the creek bed,
oh kind of and plued it. Now, there's a couple
of different times to where people tried to get that
rock up and there was always a major problem happened

(33:01):
to where they couldn't get it up, Problems with equipment,
problems with this thing weighs about almost eight hundred or
almost nine hundred pounds, but there was always some major
problem that happened with equipment or something to where when
they were trying to dig this rock up. Well, eventually
in the seventies they dug it up. The handprint still
there and where she had her knee it's still there.

Speaker 5 (33:23):
Cool.

Speaker 4 (33:23):
So now it's actually outside of the courthouse there in town.
And there's a story about a young lady by the
name of Lynne bone Very. It's almost like bone Vrage. Yeah,
So anyway, she there's a story about her and her
husband or walking through town. She's walked by there plenty

(33:44):
of times. She's walked past the rock. And they were
at the Historical Society, which she liked to go to.
They decided they were just going to walk around town.
They walked by the courthouse and she decided that she
was going to touch the rock. Now, you're not supposed
to do that. They say that, you know, just getting
near it could be a problem, but touching it as
a no no. Yeah, she goes, she sees the handprint,

(34:05):
She puts her hands into the handprints, and at that
time she said she felt nothing.

Speaker 5 (34:10):
She was fine.

Speaker 4 (34:11):
You know, she's kind of laughing it off. She got
up to start to walk away. Within thirty seconds of
her walking away, she started coughing violently. She couldn't catch
her breath. She said, if she felt like her lungs
were burning. Oh, she starts coughing up blood. Oh my god.
Said she felt extremely weird. She was woozy, and they

(34:31):
were trying to debate whether to go to the doctor
or the hospital or something like that, and they decided
against it. And she said, about forty five minutes later,
she felt fine, but she's convinced that there's some kind
of negative energy with that rock for that problem.

Speaker 6 (34:46):
See, people leave stuff alone.

Speaker 4 (34:48):
And then the last little bit is basically people claimed
that on the coldest night of the year that you
can see her out walking the streets. She obviously died
on the coldest night.

Speaker 5 (35:01):
Of the year.

Speaker 6 (35:02):
Yeah, that's just I don't know, it's almost like a
sad story.

Speaker 4 (35:06):
It is a sad story because who knows if she
is a witch or not a witch. But she definitely
was treated as an outcast just because she was basically
an outcast. Yeah, I mean she she was just somebody
that just chose to do things her own way for
all intent and purposes. I never read anything where she
actually bothered anybody.

Speaker 7 (35:23):
Yeah, you know.

Speaker 6 (35:24):
But so the lesson is don't judge people.

Speaker 7 (35:29):
Dang it.

Speaker 4 (35:30):
Yeah, you know what they say, you can't judge a
book by its cover.

Speaker 7 (35:33):
That is so true.

Speaker 4 (35:34):
Well, unless it's a girl sucking a guy's wanger. Then
this porn Jerry, I'm just saying you can judge that.

Speaker 6 (35:43):
Sorry, so sorry listeners.

Speaker 4 (35:47):
Let's talk about some of the songs we were going
to choose.

Speaker 6 (35:50):
Oh yeah, so I came up with. One was Coda's ice.

Speaker 4 (35:54):
Very disrespectful by the way it is, well yeah, oh
and else what stiff upper.

Speaker 6 (36:03):
Stiff up her lift? I thought that was funny.

Speaker 5 (36:07):
What was there more?

Speaker 7 (36:09):
Was there just the two?

Speaker 5 (36:10):
No?

Speaker 4 (36:10):
There was a couple of them. Ninja, now Ninjas trying
to tell you that the one you were missing is uh,
I don't know, Yeah, you couldn't. But that's the story.
So I want to read you, uh, talk to you
about this other little story I kind of teased in
the beginning of the show about the house up in Tacoma, Washington. Well,

(36:34):
here's the funny thing about this house. There was a
kind of a famous serial killer most of you have
heard of, by the name of Ted Bundy, not Al Bundy. Oh,
jee just want to cure some people.

Speaker 6 (36:47):
That's that's pretty good.

Speaker 4 (36:52):
Ninja apparently disagrees. He's my my favorite, uh, my favorite
part of the old Al Bundy colloquialisms. I love all
the Albundy stuff. But I remember one time on the
show there was a peeper, the peeping tom that was
looking through the all the windows, and then Marcy came
over to the house and she says, hey, the guy

(37:14):
just peeped me. And then Peg was all upset because
nobody had peeped her. And she said, she said hell,
she said, nobody wants to peep me. Hug me, And
he said, oh, nobody wants to hug either. Peg.

Speaker 6 (37:28):
Yeah, so funny had it going on though.

Speaker 4 (37:32):
Yeah, I'm sure you would think. So nineteen eighties called
they both want your hair back. Oh all right, so
let's talk. Let's talk about this story. So Ted Bundy
his childhood home up in Tacoma, Washington. It was for sale,
a guy bought it. He's gonna flip it. So he
gets some contractors to come into it, and I'm gonna

(37:52):
read you a little bit about what went on. But
Casey Clompton, he had his contracting company, caught Extreme Contracting.
They were hired in September this past year to come
do the home. So he says he noticed red flags
right off the bat. The second time he went to
the house, he had his eleven year old daughter. She
was trying to go upstairs and she started crying and
saying she didn't like it. She just did she didn't

(38:13):
feel well. And he chalked it up to, you know,
a little kid just being scared of the dark, you know,
what have you. And then he said that while they
were there, he started hearing phantom footsteps, people jiggling door knobs,
and that actually went on for months because it took
them a long time to do this. He said that

(38:34):
after all the doorknobs and stuff like that, they were
already thinking stuff was weird. But then one of the workers,
he claimed that somebody knocked on the door. He went
out there and opened it. There was nobody there. Then
he said that some mornings they would come in and
several drawers and cabinets were opened up, but they had
an alarm on the place, and the alarm was never
set off. All the exterior doors and stuff were still locked,

(38:56):
but all this stuff was moved on the inside. The
biggest thing was that there was a dresser. Now, this
dresser apparently was built into the wall. You know, it
was like kind of like a hole. A hole had
bit in the wall and the dresser pushed underneath other. Yeah,
and one day it had fell, apparently, And he said,

(39:16):
this thing took like two people to do it.

Speaker 6 (39:18):
How does it fallout the wall?

Speaker 4 (39:19):
Well, that's what he's saying. It was completely tipped over,
and not only that, it was moved across the hall
a little bit and on its face. So there's no
possible way that this thing should have not only fell,
but it was like it fell and then moved down
the hall a little bit.

Speaker 6 (39:34):
Oh Man, that's creepy.

Speaker 4 (39:36):
He said, I couldn't figure it out. We thought someone
might be pranking him. So with these all these different incidents.
So even the real estate broker, a guy named James Pitts,
he said that he even had a spooky moment when
he was there. He was trying to record a Facebook
live video down in the basement and I guess to
try to show people the property. He said, his phone
kept resetting itself, and it kept doing it and kept

(39:56):
doing it, and eventually it just shut completely off, he said,
just completely crashed. Why he was down there, Wow, heat
now Clofton the guy who runs the crew for trying
to fix the place up, he said that they experienced
over thirty different incidents while they were there, and that's
here's some of the creepy shit.

Speaker 5 (40:17):
Though.

Speaker 4 (40:18):
They found two notes in the house. One of them
was up in the bedroom. It was it said leave
written in sawdust because there was like sawdust and it
said leave written in saw dust. Then they went they
was down in the basement and on the inside of
a window. You know how windows get dirty, especially when
you're new work, So down in the basement, on the
inside of the window it said help me. It said,

(40:42):
help me written in the dirt. So what they decided
to do they started writing like Bible verses on the walls.
I guess they were going to paint over them. Eventually
they started writing Bible verses on the walls. They brought
in a pastor from a local church. He did a
walk through reading Bible verses. He tried to clear any
negatives spirits, and then Clofton, the guy who ran the team,

(41:05):
he instituted a rule that Christian music had to be
played at all times inside. He said, when you came in,
you could turn it down or you could turn it up,
but you couldn't turn it off.

Speaker 7 (41:14):
Oh wow.

Speaker 4 (41:15):
And he said after that everything kind of calmed down.
So it took four months longer than they thought it
was going to and eventually they finished up in April.
So they just got through with this thing last month.

Speaker 7 (41:23):
Oh wow.

Speaker 4 (41:24):
And so the house was sold and he was just
happy that the project was over, and you know, they
were asking him about, you know, what his thoughts was
on it, and he's like, look, there's got to be
something else out there, you know, that's what I think.
I'm glad that I got faith on my side. And
you know, we're just glad to be out of that place,

(41:46):
is what he faces.

Speaker 6 (41:47):
So I wonder if I wonder if those people like
when they try to sell it, told whoever the buyers
about it.

Speaker 4 (41:54):
Sure they didn't. And according to Puget Sound Regional Archives,
the Bundye family bought that home in nineteen fifty five
when Ted Bundy was eight and they sold it in
nineteen sixty five, so he was there from what until
about time he was eighteen years old. They try to
talk to the people that live at the house now,
but they couldn't contact them.

Speaker 7 (42:13):
Oh really, So it's a pretty cool little Yeah, that
is very cool.

Speaker 4 (42:18):
All right. With that being said, we are going to
remind you that if you want to buy t shirts,
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So if you can get in before then, they don't

(42:39):
take money till the first but you will get in
for that first episode when it gets released. Now, we're
going to introduce the guys from Not Alone Podcast. This
was a fun interview. We actually did it the other night.
And when it's all said and done, I think you
guys will probably want to check out their show. So
let's hear from the guys. Hi, everybody, welcome back to
He'll Billy Horror Stories. And I've got some special guests

(43:02):
on the phone. I've got Sam and Jason from Not
Alone Podcast. How are you guys doing today?

Speaker 5 (43:07):
We're good, well, Jared, Yeah, how are you?

Speaker 8 (43:09):
Oh?

Speaker 4 (43:09):
I can't complain it all man. I'm excited to have
you guys on for a couple of reasons. But first
and foremost, you know, I stumbled across to you guys
on Twitter, uh and and started talking to you Sam
a little bit. And you know, I've really become a
huge fan of your show. So that was the That
was the first reason why I said, like, I got
to have these guys on, because you guys are right

(43:31):
up my alley as far as what I like in
a podcast.

Speaker 5 (43:34):
Awesome than Jared, Thank you great. That's good to know.
Good couple actually like it. Yeah.

Speaker 4 (43:41):
Well, I will say this too, and and and some
people might take this as an insult. It's really not
an insult, but a lot of the paranormal podcast that
I listened to are the unexplained podcast because I don't
want to lump everything into a paranormal you know, it's
not as intelligently laid out as your guys show. It's

(44:02):
obvious listening to you guys that you're both very well
educated and you take an approach of really breaking a
subject down almost scientifically at some points, and a lot
of shows just don't do that. And that's what I
really like about yourself. So it's not to put other
shows down or say that they you know, they're just
not as smart or or you know, anything of that nature.

(44:23):
It's just your show is just really well put together
and the way the facts are laid out, in the
way the discussions are handled. So I appreciate that on
a show.

Speaker 5 (44:31):
Well thank you. As two. As to college dropouts, we
thank you very much.

Speaker 8 (44:35):
I'm going back.

Speaker 4 (44:36):
Yeah, Well, I think what's going to happen is is
by the time we're through with this interview, I think
the listeners out there that haven't heard your podcast will
definitely want to come check check you out, because I
think it's going to come across today much like the
way your show does. And we're going to talk about
a couple of subjects today, so it's not gonna be
just a straightforward interview. We're gonna get a chance to

(44:59):
kind of showcase what you guys do on your show.
Let's do this first. I'd like to get a little
background on you guys. Tell me a little bit about
how how you guys know each other and how the
show came to be.

Speaker 5 (45:11):
Yeah, yeah, absolutely, taking it.

Speaker 8 (45:12):
You take it, okay, okay, I can take it away.

Speaker 9 (45:15):
So Sam I originally met just at work, so we
worked at the same retail location, and I don't quite
remember how the subjects arose, but we found out that
in our younger days growing up as kids, we both
played a trading card game called you Gio, which was
pretty big for kind of I think our generation at

(45:38):
the time, and we joked around about eventually doing each
other playing against one another.

Speaker 8 (45:45):
Eventually that happened at some point in time.

Speaker 9 (45:46):
I don't remember exactly when that came about, but that
was the beginning of how we started becoming better friends
and really just kind of hanging out. And then eventually
Sam brings up the fact that he wants to run
a podcast.

Speaker 5 (46:02):
Right well, and the whole podcast.

Speaker 10 (46:05):
Honestly, it was a joke from the start, Like I
joked to myself, I joked to my wife, I joke
to Jason, and then one day I was just doing it.
I had bought a domain, I bought recording equipment, and
so I came back to him. I had said, like
the week before, hey man, I'm gonna do this this
Spooky Stories podcast.

Speaker 5 (46:23):
You want to be be my co host? Haha? And
he said yeah, sure. And then because I like, yeah,
I just like to talk and have people listen to me,
he is.

Speaker 10 (46:32):
And then I came back to him a week later,
I said, hey, man, so if you change your mind
now that it's a real thing, that's totally fine, But uh,
do you want.

Speaker 5 (46:40):
To you still want to do the podcast? He said yeah?
And I at first I was like what am I doing?
Because I love Jason.

Speaker 10 (46:48):
I think he's fantastic, But like I have other friends
who I've like sat down and had discussions about paranormals
paranormal stuff with, and they're so passionate just like I am.
And Jay and I all we talk about is magic,
the gathering and sometimes dragonball z and like.

Speaker 8 (47:06):
Just a little bit of work, and.

Speaker 5 (47:09):
I watched Ancient Aliens growing up as.

Speaker 8 (47:11):
Well, and that solidified everything that was it.

Speaker 10 (47:16):
But I think that that's really what gave us a
good dynamic is the fact that he, like, he's an
intelligent dude and he likes the paranormal, but he hasn't
bought into it as much as I have. So like,
in that respect, I'm the like true believer, true believer
who every episode is trying to prove that these things happened,
and he's always trying to prove that they didn't have it.

Speaker 9 (47:36):
I'm trying to figure out what kind of science can
can lead to those observations.

Speaker 8 (47:40):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (47:41):
See, that's that's similar to what we do. I mean,
when I started the podcast, it was the exact opposite
of you guys. I actually went to the one friend
that we talked about this stuff all the time and said, hey,
this will be a good match. And then eventually when
I switched to Tracy, she likes it, but she wouldn't
like consumed by it like I was. I mean, I

(48:01):
can just sit and watch this stuff, you know, hours
on end, and then to her it'd be like after
an hour, it's like, can we watch something else. So
you know, so when we when we sit down for
the for the conversation, it does turn out more like
the dynamic that you have because I take the lead
most of the time, and she's like in disbelief of

(48:22):
either what I'm saying or come on now, and so
I mean it's yeah, you know, she really she really
actually knows the story. But yeah, she she really knows
the story we're talking about. So it's like a surprise
to her the whole time.

Speaker 5 (48:35):
Yeah, I can dig it.

Speaker 10 (48:37):
I think it's a good dynamic for anybody to have
dad you know, one person on one side and the
other on the other, but still be able to agree
on certain points.

Speaker 8 (48:46):
Like we may not find that middle conclusions.

Speaker 5 (48:49):
But like trying to figure out different interpretations, and we
usually try to do that.

Speaker 10 (48:53):
Every episode usually ends with me saying like, if scientifically speaking,
what caused this was aliens or or you know, in
our King Tight episode, curses and Jason saying, well, scientifically speaking,
it was none of those.

Speaker 9 (49:07):
I mean, I mean I like to think that I
believe a little bit by the end of the episode
where it's just odd enough occurrences to where it really
makes you.

Speaker 4 (49:16):
Think, yeah, well I like the fact that you guys
are very fact based. And that's the compliment that we
get a lot, is they like that we have a
lot of facts and we throw a lot of specifics
out there as well as thrown in opinions. And that's
the one thing that I noticed about your show is
you guys do the exact same thing. So for people
who like our show, they're probably gonna really like your
show as well.

Speaker 5 (49:36):
Good good, Well, I hope, so, well, we're gonna.

Speaker 4 (49:38):
Give it a shot. So let's do this. We got
we got a couple of subjects, one of which that
I really didn't want to do myself. So it worked
out great that I found you guys. But I've got
a listener, a great listener by the name of Michelle Rodriguez.
She's donated to the show, she's bought T shirts, and
she's only asked two things for us to continue our
video series, which we have not, and to talk about Elchopicabra,

(50:02):
which I just don't have the biggest fascination. It's there's
certain things that I just believe are probably out there
and I just don't see a big deal about them now.
But I will say this, and I got this. Listening
to your Guys show, I've always thinking of Elchopocabre. Every
time I see that, I think about one of the
shows that are on TV to where they got this

(50:24):
mangy looking dead animal and everybody trying to figure out
where it comes from. But you know, listening to your show,
you actually talked about I know, Jason specifically since you
kind of took the lead on that show, but you
talked about specifically the origins and what the real toop
of cabre was, and it was I think it was
in Puerto Rico. But that's what I wanted to kind

(50:46):
of let you touch on that a little bit. We'll
make Michelle very happy ause we're gonna talk about it.
But if you can talk about the.

Speaker 8 (50:52):
True origins, I can definitely chat about that. So yeah,
I just and I think it's pretty.

Speaker 9 (50:57):
Strong in our episode that I don't believe that a
Mangi dog is the chubcabra, and most I think the
chobocabra becomes the easy scapegoat for a lot of that
kind of weird animal or weird mutilations that happened to animals.
But what I like to focus on and what I

(51:18):
thought was probably the most interesting idea behind the Chubacabra
was essentially the events that took place for three years
in nineteen ninety five in Puerto Rico and then also
extended into Chile and South America just in general, where
we have these mass mutilations of cattle, especially sheep. Sheep

(51:42):
was the big one, which is eventually how Chubacabo got
his name goat sucker. But the weirdest thing about it
is that you have a lot of dead animals, a
lot of dead bodies, weird bite marks on them, a
lot of them being two to three holes near necks
or chest areas, which is consistent with draining blood. That's

(52:03):
where you really want to go for But the weirdest
thing was, yes, they were all drained as well, and
otherwise the bodies were left for the most part untouched.
And those odd mutilations just kept occurring in Puerto Rico
to the point where it was a daily occurrence. It
wasn't news anymore to hear of x number of creatures

(52:24):
being mutilated. And then we have some really interesting sightings
of it, and they go completely contradictory to the sightings
that we have in essentially like Texas, Yeah, the southern
US and in Mexico, where it's an upright creature standing
usually somewhere between three to four feet tall, mostly furless,
but can have spikes along its back and maybe small

(52:48):
patches of fur, with large eyes and hind legs similar
to that of kangaroos. That's a kind of a really
odd sounding creature, while what we hear in the southern
US and a Mexican ago is essentially a mangy canine.

Speaker 8 (53:04):
I mean, that's really what it comes down to.

Speaker 9 (53:06):
Something that has lost as altspur and is still sitting
on four legs, but all around it's a coyote. It's
a coyote for sure, or some other hybrid of a canine.
But the other description was also seen in other locations
in South America. Another large population, for one, was down

(53:27):
in Chile, and these creatures were also becoming a little
bit more comfortable around humans where they weren't just doing
the mutilations kind of near the forest areas. They've actually
come back into towns, and there was one mulation of
a actual school lama that was drained of blood as well. Eventually,

(53:51):
these signings just kind of ended around three years later.
With some hypothenis hypotheses being that it was a US
government that eventually got caught or that it was eventually killed.
And there have been reports of people saying that they
have the skeleton the chupacabra, but those skeletons mysteriously going
somewhere vanishing, yeah, being covered up in some way or another,

(54:17):
or you know, they don't really have the proof to
show that that was the actual creature. I personally love
the story of the Cubacabra because I am I'm twenty three,
I was born in ninety three, and the Tupicabra was
one of the first kind of scary.

Speaker 8 (54:33):
Animal stories I had ever heard, and that was kind
of what led me to my fascination.

Speaker 9 (54:39):
Now, I'm sure down south, the tub Oficabra is a
much more annoying of an idea or of a creature.
And then one other thing that I do really like
about the cubicamera is more of the signs behind it.
Because we do have animals that do feet on blood.
Vampire bats are a big one, but leeches. We also

(55:00):
have ticks as well. One of the biggest things that
I've noticed is that these animals have to gorge on blood,
which does coincide with the amount of animal mutilations that
we saw in Puerto Rico, which I thought was a
really interesting fact. But also what was kind of interesting
vampire bats is that they actually pee out most of

(55:22):
the blood. They process it so quick through their kidneys
that they pee out at least half of the blood consumed,
so that they can actually fly away and they'll digest
the rest of it throughout the night. That's one thing
that I never saw reports on was any kind of
excrement at all being at the mutilation sites. So there

(55:43):
are definitely weird things that happen, and some things that
definitely say, hey, maybe this is a creature that we
don't quite know enough about yet or at all, and.

Speaker 8 (55:54):
Things that are also weighed into maybe it wasn't a creature,
maybe it was something else.

Speaker 9 (55:59):
I totally believe that I could possibly be, you know,
a group of people that wanted to pull some weird
prank or do something that was going to pull media headlines.
That's also possibility to do you have any specific questions
about the chibocabra or what I thought was interesting about it.

Speaker 4 (56:17):
No, what what I got out of that whole thing.
As you said, it fed on a lot of sheep,
which is how it got its name goat sucker.

Speaker 8 (56:22):
Correct.

Speaker 4 (56:23):
I just it threw me off when you said sheep
and goat sucker, So I mean down south here we
don't have. Sheep and goat are two different things, so
it threw me.

Speaker 5 (56:34):
Yes, they are, but it was reports of sheep, so
I don't know it was that. There were goats as well.

Speaker 9 (56:40):
Yeah, it was small cattle, small livestock, all the same.

Speaker 5 (56:42):
And we do know that goats and sheep are not cattle.

Speaker 9 (56:45):
We do know that well, I mean, yeah, but small livestock.
There we go, there we go, smaller livestock.

Speaker 4 (56:51):
You guys, we haven't touched on this show. You guys
are from are living in Iowa right now? Correct? Idaho? Idaho?

Speaker 8 (56:58):
I don't we do is far potatoes. That's all we
do up here. We don't know farman.

Speaker 5 (57:04):
I farmed about nine hundred pounds of potatoes today. It
was a banner day.

Speaker 4 (57:08):
Yeah, don't don't knock. Don't knock potatoes. That's uh. You
guys should be proud of yourself. I can't think of
anything else that comes out of Idaho.

Speaker 5 (57:17):
But most people can't that's okay.

Speaker 10 (57:22):
We had one good band built the spill, but even then,
I don't Yeah, that's the thoughts that I don't know.

Speaker 5 (57:29):
Apparently we have a lot of gems.

Speaker 8 (57:30):
We are the gym State, We are the gyms there.
We go take that as you will. Apparently we have
crystals and whatnot in rock.

Speaker 4 (57:37):
If that's something to hang your hat on. What about
We're gonna tie this in too, because you guys did
a show on on High Brazil and for the listeners
who we really didn't touch on this a whole lot.
That's why I kind of wanted, uh Sam, for you
to touch on this a little bit. We did the
story on on Rendallsom Forest, and we did mention that

(58:00):
Peniston was writing down all these ones and zeros in
his book which was all binary code, and here recently,
within the last I guess two three years, he's turned
that book over. There's been some people actually find out
that those are actually destinations on a map on the globe.

(58:20):
And most of them were just just in general cities
and no big deal. But one of those was actually
High Brazil, which was more well, I'm not going to
get in to explain it, but you can explain what
high Brazil is and how that really ties into that story.

Speaker 5 (58:36):
Yeah so, and that was always the binary download to.

Speaker 10 (58:43):
Sergeant Jim Benison was always one of the most fascinating
parts of Rendilstom for us for me, And yeah, it
was just recently. I can't even remember that. I can't
remember the exact dates of when that happened, but it was,
you know, was it the eighties, I think seventies wall
it was the.

Speaker 4 (59:00):
Well when the original it happened in the early eighties. Actually,
I think it was nineteen eighty, but he just released
them like in the last couple of years.

Speaker 10 (59:08):
Yeah, yeah, so he Actually, the way I heard it
is that he partnered up with our good friends Ancient
Aliens and they produced a show. And in the production
of the show, that's when he was like, I also
have this book. I don't really know what it means,
but you know, maybe you can make something out of it.
And that's exactly what they did. They decoded it and

(59:30):
it did. It has like how many it has seven
different coordinates longitude and latitude, and yeah, some of them
aren't of any consequence. Some of them are like stereotypical
ancient alien sites, like the Great Pyramids or the Nasca Lines.
But the interesting thing about it is that it states
that this exploration of humanity began in a place called

(59:56):
High Brazil and hy Brazil is a mythical island off
the west coast of Ireland in what's known as the
Celtic Sea. As far as we can tell, it makes
its appearance in history at least in the seventh century eighty.
That's the first time it was written down and part

(01:00:19):
of a book, But of course the things they were
writing down then were oral tradition that had been going
on for hundreds of years previous. Essentially, what it is
is a mythical island that has it's bisected by a
channel of water, and it's something that appears every seven
years for just a day sometimes you can see it.

(01:00:41):
Sometimes like a handful of people maybe seven or eight
claim to have actually made it there and set foot
on it. But after that day it becomes enveloped and
missed and disappears for another seven years, and a lot
of the stories about it are very mythologically based. You

(01:01:01):
have different accounts of like old Irish saints who supposedly,
in like the seven hundreds, went for a voyage and
they found this island and on it there was like
gold or silver, or they would meet with different religious
apparitions there, And I mean, that's all well and good,
but it's not super scientific.

Speaker 5 (01:01:22):
It's not super like factually based.

Speaker 10 (01:01:25):
So what we really focused on in the High Brazil
episode was some of the most contemporary contemporary accounts. And
one of the most interesting aspects of hy Brazil for
me is that it actually appeared on maps when they
were making naval maps. Even the maps of the British
Navy had High Brazil on it from thirteen twenty five

(01:01:49):
up until the eighteen hundreds, and it was so well seen,
not well traveled. Like I said, not a lot of
people got there, but it was so well documented as
existing that it stayed on the maps for five hundred years.
When they finally did pull it off, it took a
lot of time and a lot of debate because people
were saying, like, you can't take hy Brazil off the map.

Speaker 5 (01:02:10):
I saw High Brazil two years ago, like my mom
saw High Brazil. Everybody, it's there. Finally they did remove it.

Speaker 10 (01:02:16):
But some of the most intriguing sightings for me, there's
this one story from about in the Era of Discovery,
which is when the Europeans were really going out, they
were getting on their ships, they were trying to sail
to the New World, you know, Columbus Cortes and the
Spanish down in South America and Central America. And during

(01:02:37):
this era there was one man whose name was Giovanni Cabuto,
and he wanted to be the man who once and
for all like discovered High Brazil and plotted the path there.
And so every year when he was out exploring for
King Henry the seventh, he would make a little detour

(01:02:59):
and he tried to it every single year, and there
had been a few voyages in the year's previous that
it went to find it but didn't find anything. And
then suddenly one year he just doesn't make that diversion.

Speaker 5 (01:03:12):
He just keeps going.

Speaker 10 (01:03:14):
He actually discovers Newfoundland off the coast of Canada, and
it seems at first glance that he's abandoned the search
for High Brazil, but in reality he actually sends a
letter back that's intercepted by a Spanish diplomat and Spanish
spy basically, and in the letter, Kabudo says, like I

(01:03:36):
found it, we found it, We took earth from it
or some sort of of physical proof, and we brought
it back to England for King Henry. And that's really
the most well documented part of its existence.

Speaker 5 (01:03:51):
The other really intriguing.

Speaker 10 (01:03:53):
Story for me is one of oh, I can't remember
what year, but it was near the end of its
time on the maps.

Speaker 5 (01:04:01):
I think it was in the late seventeen to early
eighteen hundreds. Oh no, here it is.

Speaker 10 (01:04:05):
It was actually after, sorry, it was after it was
taken off of the maps in eighteen seventy eight. And
essentially there was an entire village on the coast of
Ireland just going about their business, having a great time,
and suddenly High Brazil appeared just half a mile or
so out at sea, and they were so close that

(01:04:26):
they could see it, like they could see trees on it,
they could see the river bisecting it, and they could
see all sorts of different geological features, and people actually
started to row out to it and try to make
it to get there. And suddenly, at the same time
for the people rowing there in boats as on shore,
it disappeared, which is completely separate from your normal sort

(01:04:49):
of a mirage where it either won't get any closer
when you get closer to it, or it'll disappear as
you get closer but still be seen from a distance.
But for it to disappear exactly the same time for
two different groups of people that far separated, that's what
really made me say, like, what is going on here?

Speaker 5 (01:05:10):
What could that have possibly been?

Speaker 10 (01:05:13):
And then you also look back at like the mythological
records and all of that, and even some more contemporary
accounts of people actually finding it, and they say, well,
I found hy Brazil and there was a magical wizard
there who told me that like the island was shrouded
from human eyes due to a spell. And another guy
said that he went there, he got big chests of
gold and he saw giant black rabbits just hopping around.

(01:05:35):
So it's one of those ones for me that is
just so bizarre, like it sounds like it is one
hundred percent truly and realistically false, but there's just enough
trace evidence to be like, Okay, what else is going on?
And it was actually it wasn't seen from eighteen seventy

(01:05:55):
eight until just five years ago in twenty twelve, and
there was actually a pilot who is flying over the
Celtic Sea and he suddenly finds himself enveloped in this
this what's known as electronic fog.

Speaker 5 (01:06:08):
So that's what you know.

Speaker 10 (01:06:09):
People over the Bermuda Triangle report it, and they're all
of their instruments will start freaking out, their tweaking, they
can't tell where they are, and this fog envelops him
and then it breaks beneath him, and he sees like
what used to be just straight water for miles and miles.

Speaker 5 (01:06:24):
He sees like green land and trees and forests and all.

Speaker 10 (01:06:29):
Of that, and it's only there for like a minute,
and then the fog breaks completely away from him, and
sure enough he's in the middle of the ocean, or
he's above the middle of the ocean. There's nothing to
be seen for miles and miles. So it's just compelling
enough to be like, what is actually going on here?
You know, it's not just crazy people or folk tales.

(01:06:49):
There's something out there, and you know, what the hell
could it be?

Speaker 4 (01:06:54):
What I think is fascinating about this situation is a
lot of people will compare the who Atlantis situation with this,
But Atlanta's disappeared and everybody's been trying to find it
ever since. Where this actually keeps appearing. People have seen it,
and it appears and it disappears. That seems to be
the main difference because both of them supposedly had advanced

(01:07:16):
civilizations on them and all that. So there's a lot
of comparisons. But this is just a little unique. And
most people have heard of Atlanta's. Almost everybody's heard of Atlanta's,
but most people haven't heard of this place. So that's
what I found unique about it.

Speaker 10 (01:07:29):
Yeah, that's pretty much exactly how we start out the
episode is kind of rehashing Atlantis, but then saying, you know,
there is something else. There's something else that makes more sense,
that has more evidence than it.

Speaker 8 (01:07:41):
Right.

Speaker 9 (01:07:41):
But yeah, for whatever reason, I think Alanti's probably gets
so much publicity because.

Speaker 8 (01:07:46):
It was Greek. I mean we tend to, yeah, we
we have a love for classic Greek.

Speaker 5 (01:07:54):
Yeah, very very Greek centric culture.

Speaker 4 (01:07:56):
I don't understand what all the confusion is. Anyway, it's
right into Bahamas. I see com for it all the time.

Speaker 8 (01:08:01):
So right, it's a big killer waterslide.

Speaker 10 (01:08:04):
Man.

Speaker 4 (01:08:07):
Guys. I want to thank you guys for coming on
the show and spend a little bit of time with us.
The show is not alone podcast, won't you tell the
people the best way to get a hold of you
guys on social media if they want to send you
a message and listen to the show.

Speaker 10 (01:08:20):
Yeah, so we're on all you know, the big three
social media. We're on Twitter, We're at Not Alone Pod,
We're on Instagram at not Alone Podcast, and then Facebook
is like Facebook dot com slash not Alone Pod. You
can also email us at not Alone Podcast at gmail
dot com and I will reply to you through any

(01:08:41):
of those channels as soon as you do. Like I'm
I'm always refreshing and checking social media and we are.
I have not found a podcasting platform yet that we're
not on, so like any app you're using. Of course,
we're on iTunes, We're on stitch Er, We're on Overcast
apparently now on iHeartRadio as well. But really anything you're

(01:09:03):
looking through, we should be there, and if we're not,
please let me know.

Speaker 4 (01:09:07):
I want to also ask you real quick while I'm
thinking about it, who designed your logo? Is that something
you guys came up with or somebody did for you?
Because it's it's a pretty badass.

Speaker 5 (01:09:15):
Logo for us, isn't it amazing? No?

Speaker 10 (01:09:17):
So, my well, my wife if I can say this
really quick. My wife has a blog called a Spoonful
of Grace dot com. And my sister is a graphic designer.
She's an amateur, but she has like an Etsy shop
where she sells her work and stuff. And so she
made a logo for my wife that looked amazing, and

(01:09:38):
so I texted her and I'm like, hey, Tessa, could.

Speaker 5 (01:09:40):
You uh haha, could you make me a logo again?

Speaker 8 (01:09:42):
Just joking.

Speaker 5 (01:09:43):
Everything about the podcast started out as a joke, and
the logo was no exception. I joke that to her.
She said sure.

Speaker 10 (01:09:50):
I was like, oh dang, And then I sent her
some some other podcast logos that I love and like,
I shit you not. It was twenty five minutes later
she replied with that image. So she just came up
with it out of nowhere, and it's it's amazing.

Speaker 5 (01:10:04):
I love our logo.

Speaker 4 (01:10:06):
Yeah, I did too. I think it's pretty uh it's
pretty professional. Yeah, all right, guys. Once again, I want
to thank you guys for coming on, and uh, you know,
maybe sometime in the future we'll do some some more
collaboration on some other stories because uh, you guys, like
I said, you touch on some topics that not everybody
touches on. Like I said, you've got one on King
Tutt and you've got uh and we didn't mention this year.

(01:10:27):
You guys have a Patreon page two, so if people
come on and they like it, they can support the
show financially and get some extra shows and stuff like that,
because you guys do some breakdown, some debriefings and uh
and talk about some of the previous So yeah, we do,
we do, but uh, like I said, we'll talk in
the future and and uh, like I said, once again,
thanks for coming on. We appreciate it.

Speaker 8 (01:10:48):
Thank you, Jerry.

Speaker 10 (01:10:49):
Yeah, thanks for having us man, And I hope it
Hillbilly Horror Stories continues to have amazing success.

Speaker 4 (01:10:55):
So me too. I'll never be able to quit my job.
Yeah right, all right, so thanks to those guys for
coming on. That was that was fun, man. Them guys
are a hoot.

Speaker 7 (01:11:06):
It was fun.

Speaker 4 (01:11:07):
But you can tell from that, these guys are super intelligent.
So they just take a different approach to the to
the whole supernatural and stuff than what we do. So
I don't know, everybody's got a different take on stuff.
And that's what makes us fun is because everybody's got
a different sound. And like I said, I hope you
liked those guys and did that. And then like I said,
with the Don't Break the Oath guys June eleventh, I'm

(01:11:30):
excited about this. We're gonna have the girls on from
and that's why we drink, oh boy. And I've been
I've been talking back and forth to Christine on that
and they're excited about it. We're excited about it, and uh,
you know it's the if you guys haven't checked their
show out yet, you go check on out and that's
why we drink. You'll you'll love it. They're they're funny
as hell, and uh, I'm excited about it. I'm that's

(01:11:51):
kind of the one I'm most interested to team up with.

Speaker 6 (01:11:53):
Yeah, I can't wait for that. They are fun.

Speaker 4 (01:11:55):
That will be a fun show. I can guarantee you
that with some curson yeah ted bit. Yeah. But anyway,
thank you guys so much. Like I said, all the
mothers out there, have a happy Mother's Day. Be safe
af there this weekend.

Speaker 6 (01:12:09):
Happy Mother's Day, guys, and cherish your time with your mom's.
Mine's not here anymore. And I would give anything to
just you know, give her a big old hug and stuff.
So just make sure you cherish your time with your
mom's and just remember to love one another and you
all have a great weekend.

Speaker 4 (01:12:23):
Yep, same here. My mom's been gone for This will
be the eleventh Mother's Day. I believe it's the tenth
or the eleventh, so it's it's not something you really
ever get used to, especially when this Holliday comes up.
So just remember the beauty of the show like this is.
It's always reminds you that if your mother is not
physically on this earth, she is still with you in spirit.

(01:12:45):
So remember that. Thank you guys, and we love you guys,
and we'll talk to you next week.

Speaker 6 (01:12:49):
Love you bye.