2036 Enfield Poltergeist and Bachelor Grove

Jerry and Tracy discuss the infamous Enfield poltergeist, the story behind the Conjuring 2. Chicagos Bachelor Grove cemetery.
We also interview the Queen of the Paranormal Kadrolsha Ona Carole

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:01):
Hello, He'll Billy Nation. Has been a few weeks since
I've been able to get behind his computer and give
y'all something to listen to. You know, it's the same
song and dance. Long hours at work fourteen hours a
day to be exact, along with working long hours on
our house. I mean, you know, I do need to

(00:23):
keep my bride happy. But I have decided to get
up early this Sunday morning, let my family sleep in,
and get some shows out to you guys. I've decided
to make up for my absence from you guys by
giving you two episodes this week. So I'm hoping that
will keep me in y'all's love and grace. Just a

(00:46):
little bit of house cleaning before we get started. Jimbo
from The Tragedy of Cinema and the Dark Discoveries podcast
reach out to me and ask me a very good question.
He asked if I was still going to edit and
put out a heugily Horror Stories Halloween special. Now, this
is something Jerry and I have done every year for

(01:09):
quite a few years. I sat down and I thought
about it, and my conclusion was, I think it's only
right and respectful to Jerry to keep it going. So
my answer, yes, there will be a hellgly Horror Story's

(01:31):
Halloween specialness year. With that being said, if you have
a podcast, I don't care how small or how big,
and you want to be part of the special please
let me know and I will be reaching out to
those podcasts who have normally participated every year. If you
are interested, you can message me on Facebook. You know

(01:53):
Tim Mullins, Well, you can email me at Tim Mullins.
That's Tim Tim Mullins m u l l NS at
gmail dot com. I want need everybody's recordings no later
than October for this will give you several weeks to

(02:13):
get everything put together and edit in and get ready
to be released. All right, So enough rambling. This week's
episode goes way back to May twentieth two. Thoy seventeen,
Jerry and Tracy discussed the infamous Infield Pulta Guys, the
story behind Conjuring two. They also discussed Chicago's very own

(02:35):
Bachelor Grove Cemetery. Followed up with a very special interview
from the Queen of the Paranormal Enjoying.

Speaker 2 (03:02):
You domb fell right down there, radman Hole. So reality
is questionaball try but you just can't let it Goldie
to right here, put it on the show with paranormal overload,
with Southern hospitality, Hunt and murder may have him one
discussing immortality locations where a dark past hits to read
that comes to light, pill village with a nack or
happy thing to go, don't sick night, hope, but thank

(03:25):
you to be by yourself, be too what happy turns
off the light, mixing in a little comedy to make
sure it offense is just right.

Speaker 3 (03:31):
He will go to a hill billy horror story.

Speaker 4 (03:36):
Now here's your home.

Speaker 2 (03:38):
Jerry is Freak, Paul Tadler do mission.

Speaker 3 (03:42):
And sometimes their cat Preddy, but never the ferrets.

Speaker 5 (03:49):
Hello, this is Judy from the UK and you're listening
to the awesome Tracy and Jerry on the hill Billy
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Out there, continue prayers for you, guys. Thank you for
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Thank you for all you guys do for us.

Speaker 3 (04:24):
Tracy, it's been another one of those weeks where we've
talked to a lot of people that are struggling and
going through some things. We want to make sure everybody
realizes that the group is a safe place. I've seen
a couple of people post because they felt like there
was no other place that they could post with whatever

(04:45):
situation they had going on, and I'm glad that people
feel that way. I just want to make sure that
everybody realizes that it is a safe place. Obviously, you
can contact myself with Tracy, or you can you know,
if you need a professional service. The professional services out
there obviously places like Better Help who've been sponsors on
the show in the past, and Tracy, what else could

(05:06):
they do?

Speaker 5 (05:07):
You can call nine eight eight the crisis hotline. You
can also text is seven four one, seven four one.
We love you guys, and just reach out to us, please.

Speaker 3 (05:19):
All right, Tracy, let's get into the meat of this.

Speaker 6 (05:23):
Meat.

Speaker 3 (05:24):
It's what dinner.

Speaker 5 (05:27):
Sorry.

Speaker 3 (06:06):
Welcome everybody to episode forty one of Hillbilly Horrortories. My
name is Jerry and I'm joined by Tracy Hello Jerry.

Speaker 5 (06:15):
It's like Hello Newman, Hey everybody.

Speaker 3 (06:22):
And as you might have noticed, it's kind of funny
because we started off there playing the Clash who is
from London, which is where our story takes place. We
could have chose a couple of different songs from them. Actually,
we could have done London Calling, which would have also
made sense. We could have should I stay or should
I go? Since we're talking about a haunted house, that
would make sense.

Speaker 5 (06:41):
We could have done London Bridge is Falling Down, Falling Down,
falling Down.

Speaker 3 (06:46):
The Clash does not do that song. I thought they
would have probably had a rock and rendition. Anyways, you
never know, but let me tell you how it's funny,
Just so everybody knows how we always joke that Tracy
doesn't know the show that we're doing. She heard the
song that we were playing, and she says, what does
that have to do with this week's show? And I said,
weather from London. She says, Okay, what's that got to

(07:07):
do with Reincarnation, which is next week's show.

Speaker 5 (07:12):
I'm sorry, Henny, I was kind of excited about that story.

Speaker 3 (07:16):
So somehow she doesn't know the show we're doing now,
but she knows what show we're doing next week.

Speaker 5 (07:20):
I don't know. I hear what I want to hear.
I guess.

Speaker 3 (07:25):
Now. At the end of the show, Tracy is going
to sing some country music and right after that song,
there's going to be an interview with the Queen of
the Paranormal. You're gonna want to hear this because she
actually does healing and readings, but she's also an actress
and goes to all the comic cons. She's actually had
a comic book superhero created in her image, which is

(07:48):
which is a one of a kind, and you'll be
able to hear the story while Nette but missly going
to be a couple of days from the last show,
but we've got tyler A Cox, Paula Johnson, Ryan Jones,
Priscilla Gordon, Brian Vierling, Kara George, Jody Peterson, Kathleen Nelson.

(08:08):
And that's pretty good, I'd say, for just three or four.

Speaker 5 (08:11):
Days, that is amazing. Thank you guys so much for that.

Speaker 3 (08:14):
And we don't have any new ITN reviews yet since
the last show, so it's the liven a couple of days.
But we just wanted to say a big thank you
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Speaker 3 (08:47):
Each thing gets you more gifts, so to speak. So
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Speaker 7 (09:05):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (09:06):
Yeah, and once again, we do appreciate it you guys.
You guys are great. Yes, it means a lot to
us when we do something. When you guys reach into
to your herd earned money and say, hey, you deserve
this because we get that much enjoyment for the show.
It's very humbling, but it's also very exciting.

Speaker 5 (09:20):
At the same time, I'm still I don't know. I'm
just still I don't even know the word. Honestly, I
guess humbled is the same thing. I guess I'm trying
to say. But it's just amazing to me that you
guys have really reached out and to us and helped
us with all your nice comments and things like that,

(09:42):
and we just really appreciate you so much. I just
sometimes don't believe it's even real.

Speaker 3 (09:46):
Sometimes literally the first thing in the morning, as soon
as I wake up, I roll over and grab my
phone and start looking to see if there's any new
reviews or comments that you guys have posted to the
Facebook page, or emails, tweets, any of those things. I
love all those things, and then I repost everything. So
it is. It is exciting to be able to know
that you guys actually give a shit about.

Speaker 7 (10:06):
What we do.

Speaker 5 (10:07):
So yay forgiving a shit.

Speaker 3 (10:09):
Okay, with that being said, we've got some awesome stories
for you. This is one that I've been talking about
doing for literally since we started a show, but I
want to wait for the right time to do it.
So tonight, tonight we're going to talk about the Some
people will call it the Infield Poltry, uh, the infield
poltry guy. Some people call it the Infield Haunting. And
most of you will know it out there as the

(10:31):
story behind the Conjuring Two. So if you've seen The
Conjuring Two, this is pretty close it went. It went
pretty close to what actually happened here. Then we actually
had a listener that suggested something for me, and I
really wasn't that familiar with the subject, so I researched it.
When I did, I decided to get it on this week,

(10:52):
and he just talked to me about it, I think
at the beginning of the last week. So that's that's
how intriguing I thought it was. But the uh, the
listener was Miguel Magdalano or Magdalen. It's actually Magdalen O
because he said it was just like Mary Magdalen except
what an.

Speaker 5 (11:09):
O oh cool, so cool name.

Speaker 3 (11:12):
But he had suggested Bachelor Grove Cemetery in Chicago, which
is actually one of the most haunted cemeteries in the country. Wow,
And so we're going to do that story too, Okay,
So how about that. So let's let's jump into this
because this is this is actually a pretty complex story
and there's a lot to talk about. We're going to
talk about the pros and the cons of it. Tracey,

(11:33):
I'm assuming you.

Speaker 5 (11:33):
Know nothing about the story that would be correct.

Speaker 3 (11:36):
Okay, good, so you'll be as surprised as a listener
as well. So as I said before, the Infield poultry guys,
it's the story behind the condre and too. It's in
North London. Two eighty four Green Street is the actual address.
So if you live in London, just swing by and
take a look at it because it does still exist.

(11:56):
This all took place from nineteen seventy seven to seventy nine.
We had Peggy Hodgson. She moved into this house. She
had four kids at the time, Margaret who was thirteen,
Janet who was eleven, Johnny ten and Billie h seven.
She's just going through a divorce. So there's a lot
of emotions, trauma and stuff built in which I actually
may have something to do with the case. Now. Margaret

(12:18):
and Janet apparently experimented a little bit with a wige aboard,
just kind of trying to, I guess, get their mind
off things. So they thought it would be fun. Apparently
something came back through the wigi board because shortly after
this is when everything started happening. So in nineteen seventy seven,

(12:40):
it all started when Peggy heard one of the girls screaming.
I think it was the youngest one, Janet. She hears
her screaming. She runs back to the bedroom to find
out that both of the beds, Janets and the boys'
beds were like vibrating, like to the point where they're
bouncing practically, their feet are bouncing off the floor. And

(13:01):
as she starts to go in there, this heavy dresser
slides to shut the door. Now she's inside the room,
everybody's inside the room, and there's a dresser on the wall.
The door is open, and the dresser slides towards the door,
closing the door. She comes over, grabs the dresser, she
pulls it back, and it pushes back. The dresser pushes
itself back to the point where she can't do it anymore.

(13:23):
She gets scared, obviously, and she does the obvious thing
when you're scared by ghosts. She calls the police.

Speaker 5 (13:31):
Protect So.

Speaker 3 (13:35):
She gets the police call. The police come out and
the first thing that happened is there was a constable
by the name of Caroline Heaps. She saw this heavy
recliner that was in the room just slide forward about
four feet. So the first thing she did, obviously she
wanted to go over there to kind of check it
out to see if there was some kind of wires

(13:58):
or somebody pushing it, and she didn't see anything over
there at all, so she was noticeably kind of like,
what the hell's going on?

Speaker 5 (14:07):
Well, I mean, that sounds dumb to me, but sufer's
a wire on the recline?

Speaker 3 (14:13):
Well, I mean, if you're in the house and you
see a recliner and just all of a sudden move
four feet with nobody around it, and you want to
make sure there's not some kind of hoax going on
or they're not trying to play some kind of practical
joke and waste some police officers time. So it is
what it is. The police said there was nothing they
could do about it because obviously it was not a
police matter, and they left.

Speaker 5 (14:35):
But what if the chair assaulted them?

Speaker 3 (14:38):
But the chair didn't assault But wait, what.

Speaker 5 (14:42):
If the chair assaulted them for real? Then would it
be a police matter?

Speaker 3 (14:49):
I would think so, But the chair didn't assault them.
Go with me, it didn't pepper them or nothing. What
do you want me to say?

Speaker 5 (15:02):
No, I think it's.

Speaker 8 (15:04):
I don't know.

Speaker 5 (15:05):
I don't know what I mean.

Speaker 3 (15:06):
It'd be funny if they went there in a peanut
mood and you said, what if the peanut assaulted them
a peanut? It was a chair. I just I don't know.

Speaker 5 (15:13):
I guess what I'm trying to get at is if
something really did happen to the person, and it is
so stupid, but I mean, police arrest the recliner clowner.

Speaker 3 (15:23):
The most it could do is make them relax. And
I don't think there's a crown against that.

Speaker 5 (15:30):
I'm sorry, Okay, I can I move along? N you
can go. I'm sorry.

Speaker 3 (15:35):
So the media got word obviously all this was going on,
so they sent a photographer down from a Daily Mirror,
which is one of the newspapers there in England, the
big one, and they actually witnessed things being flung around
the room and they kind of screamed in terror. They said,
everybody in the room just kind of screamed when they
start seeing this stuff fly around the room. So BBC

(15:56):
sent a film crew down there, and the lady that
was there, she said she felt like invisible hands were
pushing her and then all this film that they took,
hardly any of it turned out it was all damaged man.
So a guy by the name of Maurice Gross who
just recently lost a daughter and he worked for the
Society of Psychic Research, which is the oldest group of

(16:19):
psychic researchers. He decided that he wanted to take a
look at it. Gets a guy named Guy lyon Playfair
to help him out.

Speaker 9 (16:28):
They go in.

Speaker 3 (16:29):
They actually spent several months with the family and he's
got like over one hundred and eighty hours worth of
audio tape on just interviews and stuff going back and forth.
So the whole in the several months that they've been there.
The whole time, they witnessed lots of paranormal stuff. I
mean everything from legos flying around the room, which this

(16:49):
was kind of called lego blocks flying around the room,
and then when they did hit the ground, when you
go and pick them up, he said, they were so
hot you could you couldn't even hold them. I guess
from the energy of making them. So you know, if
something's gonna spin around the room and it's some kind
of energy do it, I would imagine it probably would
be hot.

Speaker 5 (17:06):
Yeah, I guess it would.

Speaker 3 (17:08):
He saw tables and chairs like that. The chairs would
spin around like in the same spot. They would just
spin in circles where they're at, and tables would do
the same thing. I guess the night tables and stuff.
He said. The sofas would levitate off the ground. Rock
rocks would be thrown inside the house. You could be
and weaving in that, yeah, he said, like an invisible forces,

(17:30):
so you couldn't see they were just thrown from nowhere.
And then coins would appear, I mean, like right in
front of people. It's just like there's no coin, and
also there's a coin there. Dogs would bark in empty rooms,
so I mean it's like they didn't have a dog.
But yeah, they didn't have a dog, but dogs would
be barking in empty rooms, like there'd be a dog

(17:52):
barking in an next room over but they didn't have
a dog.

Speaker 5 (17:54):
Oh my lord, that's crazy.

Speaker 3 (17:58):
And so mister Gross he gets all this audio and stuff,
like I said, and part of what he gets are
these demonic voices coming from both of the girls. And
we'll get into that a little bit later, because I'm
gonna play you some clips with some of the interviews,
but the activity was primarily in the bedroom initially where
all those had started at. So they emptied everything out

(18:20):
of the bedroom, every bed, every toy. They went back
the next day and there was a big iron fireplace
that was attached to the wall had been completely ripped
off the wall, big heavy iron fireplace.

Speaker 8 (18:31):
Dang, come on.

Speaker 5 (18:32):
They were like, hey, man, you didn't get everything out
of this room.

Speaker 3 (18:35):
Yeah, let me help. One day, mister Gross was next
door with the neighbor talking to him and they heard
Margaret screaming. She's the older of the girls. They run
over there. She was at the top of her stairs.
Her leg was up in the air, as if something
was pulling her by the leg. They reach out, both
neighbors they reach out and grab her by the arm

(18:55):
and they're trying to pull her back with everything they've
got and it was like they couldn't do but I mean,
they eventually got her, But I mean it was literally
like whatever was pulling her was stronger than both of
them put together. Janet, obviously she was the younger of
the two girls. She probably suffered more torment than any
of the others. And like I said, several of the

(19:16):
audio that we got as primarily Janet speaking through these voices,
and we're going to talk about what some of these
voices actually are. But they felt like that they were
possibly possessed by several different spirits in the house, not
just one. They felt like that there was probably seven
spirits in the house, is what the number was of

(19:39):
them trying to identify. Now, one of those spirits was
a guy by the name of Bill Wilkins. Now Bill
lived and died in that house. That's already been proven
prior to them moving in. And I think what I
want to do now is I want to play you
this interview where this demonic voice tells them that he

(20:05):
is Bill Wilkins. Pay close attention to this.

Speaker 8 (20:08):
I want you to tell me.

Speaker 3 (20:12):
Whether you remember what happened to you when you die.

Speaker 4 (20:18):
There's the blow died probably blind.

Speaker 6 (20:24):
Then I had an end which and doc ESCAEP and
our dogs in the chair in the cloak downstairs.

Speaker 3 (20:34):
Why call it, Jenny fool you?

Speaker 8 (20:39):
I'm imprisonable. You're invisible?

Speaker 2 (20:43):
Why are you invisible?

Speaker 3 (20:47):
I sound like geek.

Speaker 8 (20:49):
Out as gee.

Speaker 3 (20:53):
I actually started the interview right after he had said
that he was Bill Wilkins, just to save some time there.
But that voice that you're hearing is coming from an
eleven year old girl. What Yeah, that was an eleven
year old girl.

Speaker 5 (21:08):
Oh my gosh.

Speaker 3 (21:10):
So that's you know, you can make a judgment of
yourself about how that sounds. But there was actually some
people that doubted that there was, you know, possession going on.
They said that she was using skills of a ventriloquist.
But they even at one point in time filled her
mouth with water and she still did it.

Speaker 5 (21:29):
Well, what would you do to me if I started
speaking at like something like that? Would you kill me?

Speaker 3 (21:36):
Well, no, there's still laws against it.

Speaker 5 (21:38):
Well, I know you woudn't kill me, but I mean,
what if I started speaking like that to you one day?

Speaker 3 (21:44):
I would just figure you probably had too many packs
of palm malls.

Speaker 5 (21:49):
Don't smoke? Ye crazy.

Speaker 3 (21:51):
I've always been a big fan of the Simpsons and
their sisters were always a turn on to me. So
it might be kind of hot.

Speaker 5 (21:58):
No, that's not hot. Voices are not good.

Speaker 3 (22:02):
So anyways, Maurice and Guy, they they saw things such
as T shirts jumping off a table, like he was
standing right next to the table. There's a T shirt
and it jumped straight off the table and flew across
the room.

Speaker 5 (22:16):
What that is crazy? I just don't even know. Okay,
So I know that you're still telling the story, but
I'm trying to go ahead and fish.

Speaker 6 (22:25):
No.

Speaker 5 (22:25):
I was just gonna say, I was just gonna tell
everybody that our TV turned on again the other night, yeap,
that was interesting, and tell them what day it was,
Mother's Day.

Speaker 3 (22:33):
Mother's Day. So we're laying in the bed, we're getting
ready to go to sleep. Neither one of us had
the remote. It's it's on the a table that was
actually in front of our bed. We actually record our
podcast on a little card table in front of our
bed in our bedroom suit our bedroom, in our bedroom. Hell.

Speaker 5 (22:51):
But anyway, the remotes were down here and I don't
know what time was it, like eleven thirty yet eleven
thirty or so, Yeah, And we were just laying there
and I didn't even notice it. In your damn it,
the TV came back on again, and I'm like, oh, man, and.

Speaker 3 (23:03):
Keep in mind, both of our both of our mothers
are past, so it does it doesn't surprise me that
that happened on Mother's Day.

Speaker 5 (23:10):
Oh my gosh, man, Okay, sorry, go ahead.

Speaker 3 (23:14):
Yeah, so actually actually it was the most action that's
happened in this bedroom in months. Oh there we go,
well made it, did I didn't do it any of
the last show.

Speaker 5 (23:22):
Oh you didn't, right.

Speaker 3 (23:25):
So anyways, they would they and he's got this on
tape too, but I didn't actually play this for you.
He they would hear whistling and barks actually coming in
from the direction of Janet, and they've got a bunch
of like, you know, it's almost like a parakeet whistling
and a dog barking espectually a pretty good impersonation of
a dog if that's what she was doing. So back

(23:46):
to Bill Wilkins. She described the exact detail of his
death and it matched the death certificate of how Bill
said he died. Everything from him, you know, was not
on the desertificate. But they found out through prior relatives
and stuff that he actually did go blind and then
he actually did have a hemorrhage and that was the

(24:07):
cause of death, like a brain aneurysm, and that he
did was found dead in that chair, that same chair
that was moving across the floor.

Speaker 10 (24:16):
Wow.

Speaker 3 (24:17):
So wickedy whack Wick wiggedy whack Wick would you like
to tell the group that you're going to be singing
some country tonight.

Speaker 5 (24:24):
I would not like to tell that.

Speaker 3 (24:31):
I almost played the Seinfeld music to start because I
thought it said the Seinfeld Haunting, and so the Infield
I was so close. So Janet, they asked her about
when when she was having these demonic voices come out
of her. She said, and I quote, I knew when
the voices were happening. Of course it was it felt

(24:54):
like somebody was behind me the whole time. They did
all sorts of a true filling her mouth with water
and so on, but the voice is still kept coming out.
There's some famous pictures. You guys can google this. I'm
gonna try to remember to put them on the site,
but every time I say I'm gonna do that, I

(25:14):
actually don't, So you might be better off just googling it.
But if you google the Infield Haunting or the Infield Poultergeist,
you will notice pictures that gonna. It's gonna. You can't
miss it because it's the picture of the bed and
then there's another bed beside it, and on all the
wall it's covered with Starsky and hutch posters. Nice from

(25:35):
back in the seventies, obviously David Sole and what's the
other guy's name, Paul Michael Glacier, And you can see
her up in the air and it looks like she's
just jumping off the bed, but there's actually a couple
of pictures, and what they were saying was at the
time she actually was thrown across the room, just in

(25:55):
the bed and just thrown across the room. And though,
like I said, those pictures are out there, it's supposed
to be one of the more famous actual pictures of
paranormal activity, so it's pretty easy to find. She said.
The scariest thing that happened to her was one time
the curtains just wrapped around her neck and started strangling her,
and she thought she was going to die, but her

(26:16):
mom came in. It took everything she had of her
mom's strength to be able to pull the curtains off
of her.

Speaker 10 (26:21):
Wow.

Speaker 3 (26:23):
So some of the incidents involved fires that actually would
have some stuff would just spontaneously combust. Marbles would randomly appear,
just like the thing books supposedly, would go through brick
walls and literally like go through the wall and then
appear on the other side of the wall.

Speaker 5 (26:41):
Okay, well then that's a shitty made house, that's all
I'm saying. And you can go through a brick wall.

Speaker 3 (26:47):
Of course, Edon Lorraine Warren visited in nineteen seventy eight. Now,
if you've seen the movie The Conjuring too, basically the
whole movie is based on Edon Lorraine Warren and their
visit over there. In real life, they were one of
many investigators that came over. But it wasn't like it
was portrayed in the movie. I mean, there's very little
when you actually do research on this, there's very little

(27:10):
about ed and Lorraine Warren having to do with this case.
So they were, you know, a part of it, and
they did have some comments. I mean ed Warren said
that you know, this was one hundred percent real case
and that you know, there's demons in the house and
it was obvious. But he also was the same guy
who said the Ambityville horror was real and told the

(27:32):
attorney and the author of the book, just make it
up if you don't have a good enough story, you know,
and some of the other stuff. So I mean, it's
you know, it's not that well, and I wish you
weren't a liar. Probably somebody just wanted to get a
little money and didn't really care terrible. So so that's

(27:53):
the basic story of what happened according to the people involved. Now,
just like in each story like this, there's always going
to be discrepancies. So let's talk about what skeptics have
pointed out to make them believe that this wasn't a
totally true story, because some people just said that they
thought the girls were fabricating the story. They're just wanting attention,

(28:15):
and you know that was with the whole thing. They're
making the voices up and all this stuff. So let's
play Devil's advocate pun intended, and let's see what we
got here.

Speaker 6 (28:26):
Now.

Speaker 3 (28:26):
The first thing is they found a torn up magazine
from another Poultergeist case from a Matthew Manning. So that
suggested right off the bat that these they knew about
poltergeist and what could go on because this magazine had
already made a big deal about the poltergeist in his house. Now,
the funny thing is one of the first things that

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they mentioned that was missing in their house that they
that tipped them off that there was poltergeist was a
teapot went missing in the magazine article with Matthew Manning.
That was the thing that he pointed out was there
was a teapot missing in his story. It's kind of
funny that they are eerily similar. So then everything in

(29:11):
the house, there's all these things in the house were destroyed,
but nothing destroyed was expensive like their TV set, which
you know, in the seventies is an expensive, you know
thing to have. Nothing ever happened to the TV. Nothing
ever happened to anything expensive. It was just always cheap
shit like lego bricks and you know, stuff like that.
So people just thought that was kind of odd. If
you got all this activity going on, why wouldn't it

(29:33):
damaged something like a TV that's an electrical device.

Speaker 5 (29:35):
Well, because if they didn't want to damage the TV
because they could get in the TV.

Speaker 3 (29:40):
This is not Carol Anne. Why do you know? Well,
because I just know. Anyway, So the two girls were
caught purposely bending spoons. That was one of the things.
You know, how people can bend spoons with their mind.
That's like one of the little tricks. You could just
look at a spoon, and look at a spoon and
they'll start to get hot, it'll bend. That's a trick
of people. They have telekinesis and stuff like that.

Speaker 5 (30:02):
Oh, I don't think I've ever tried that.

Speaker 3 (30:04):
Well I didn't say you've tried it. I just put
most people's common knowledge. I mean, I've never tried to
play in the NFL, but I know it exists, so
I probably could if it wouldn't for my severe lack
of talent.

Speaker 5 (30:16):
And they're kind of short. Oh I'm sorry. Sorry.

Speaker 3 (30:22):
So there were bending these spoons and they got caught
purposely doing it so like with their hands, so they
already know there was some stuff they were doing was fake.
They got caught jumping off the bed and kind of
flailing their arms and stuff like they were possessed. So
but it was obvious that they were faking that. Now,
we talked about the picture earlier, the famous picture that's

(30:44):
you know, look at that she was thrown across the room. Well,
that's a good question, and I have an answer. If
you look, people will look at the pictures and they'll
see that. They'll say, like in her legs and stuff,
you can see the muscle contractions that that she jumped,
because it would be in the position of jumping rather

(31:04):
than being tossed and then when you take in consideration,
she was also a renowned gymnast at her high school.

Speaker 5 (31:12):
At her school grad Yeah, that's a far stretch.

Speaker 3 (31:14):
Yeah, she's a gymnast. So she's a gymnast, and she
just happened to be able to do these things that
most people can't do.

Speaker 5 (31:20):
Okay, but I don't buy that. And she's on the
bed and she's gonna throw herself against a wall. I
don't believe it.

Speaker 8 (31:29):
I don't.

Speaker 3 (31:30):
They screwed up on an interview, and this is one
of the ones that people really point to. They screw
up on this interview by saying, and I'm gonna play
this for you, but I want you to kind of
hear what it is. The lady asked them. She's from
BBC Scotland. She says, how does it feel to be
haunted or something of that nature. Janet says it's not haunted,

(31:54):
and her sister, Margaret smiles, looks over at her and says,
shut up and giggles as have to say, what are
you doing right? You're gonna screw it up. Yeah, So
let me play that part for you now so you
can hear that, how does it feel to be haunted?
By a portugust.

Speaker 8 (32:11):
It's not honting.

Speaker 3 (32:14):
Now, when you actually watch the video, you can see
that when Margaret turns to her and tells her to
shut up, she's giggling, you know, like like two kids. Now,
some people would say that the constant giggling was a
sign that they were just putting something on and they
were just having fun. But then some people would say
that the constant giggling was just two little girls just

(32:37):
being shy in front of the camera and nervous. It's
kind of like nervous laughter. Now, Janet, who you know,
we're talking, you know, basically, and she's in her forties now.
She did an interview a couple of years back and
she admitted that two percent I don't know where she
came up with that figure at, but two percent of
everything that happened in the house her and her sister

(33:00):
made up, but the other ninety eight percent was real. No,
So that's how I mean, that's what she says.

Speaker 5 (33:08):
See, she didn't give herself much credit for it.

Speaker 3 (33:10):
So right now, Ray Allen, who is a veteran ventriloquist,
he said that that raspy voice that Janet did could
be done by any student of ventriloquism, and guess what,
she was also a student of ventriloquism.

Speaker 5 (33:26):
Come on, I mean, I don't that.

Speaker 8 (33:28):
I don't know.

Speaker 5 (33:29):
It seems really hard.

Speaker 3 (33:30):
You don't think it's odd that this girl who does
these voices and flies off the bed just happens to
be a great gymnast school and studies ventriloquism. You don't
find that odd at all.

Speaker 5 (33:42):
I do find it odd. I think I find the
thing more odd is that throwing myself across the room.

Speaker 3 (33:49):
I mean, she literally have to.

Speaker 5 (33:50):
Do flips after flips or something and then just hit
the wall.

Speaker 3 (33:55):
Well, no, she just sprung herself from the bed. Nobody
said she hit the wall.

Speaker 5 (33:59):
Maybe it's me. I'm thinking how far away the bed is.

Speaker 3 (34:01):
From the wall.

Speaker 8 (34:02):
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (34:03):
I mean, she just basically flew out of the bed,
you know, I said across the room. But I mean,
well I didn't mean that. You know, she did a
triple axel. That's skating. That's not even Maybe if it
was the winter time. Anyways, let's go back.

Speaker 5 (34:17):
Maybe it's true.

Speaker 3 (34:18):
I don't know, so the demon voice, let's talk about that.

Speaker 5 (34:23):
Hey, I've got to oh, gayup.

Speaker 3 (34:27):
That sounded like a gay fat Albert.

Speaker 5 (34:34):
I was to do a demonic voice.

Speaker 3 (34:36):
Okay, well, I hope the country singing turns out way
better than that.

Speaker 5 (34:40):
Didn't sound like it, didn't know, damn it.

Speaker 3 (34:44):
No, that sounds like something that would be on like
scary movie or something the way ins would do.

Speaker 11 (34:51):
Oh up.

Speaker 3 (34:52):
So the demonic voice, this is actually what I found
as sad as this is. This is one of the
more interesting parts of the story, I think, because I
didn't know this. But the demonic voice, it didn't come
from her vocal chords. It came from her false vocal cords,
which your false vocal cords everybody has. They are bands

(35:13):
of ligaments and they play little part in making a sound,
but you can actually use them. But if you use them,
the average person, in about ten minutes, you're completely hoarse
and have a sore throat.

Speaker 5 (35:26):
Dang.

Speaker 3 (35:27):
Now where does this come into play with her? She
would talk like that for sometimes with the four hours
oh goss. So that part says it sounds like it
could be hoaxed because you could do that, But then
the other part says that she did it for four hours,
so that proves that kind of wrong.

Speaker 5 (35:46):
Now, well, she deserves a sore throat after that. If
that's what she did.

Speaker 3 (35:49):
Here's some things that people, you know, in their defense.
First of all, how can these two girls rip and
terra damn iron fireplace?

Speaker 5 (35:58):
Yeah about that?

Speaker 3 (36:00):
You know she did the talking for up to four hours.
And how could they keep up the constant charade of
stuff flying through the air, the barking, the knocking on
the walls.

Speaker 6 (36:11):
That was the the.

Speaker 3 (36:14):
Just right on target. But how could they keep that
up for eighteen months without getting busted? You know, this
went on for eighteen months. That's a long damn time.

Speaker 5 (36:22):
Yeah, that's that's a long time. So what did they
say about the furnace then?

Speaker 3 (36:29):
But they didn't. They just said, you know, how could
they do that?

Speaker 5 (36:32):
Well, I mean, if they're gonna blame them for all
that other stuff, then they need to have an explanation
for the furnace.

Speaker 3 (36:37):
Okay, it fell off the wall. Well, I know they
got cheap walls because books are going through, So what
the hell.

Speaker 8 (36:44):
True?

Speaker 3 (36:44):
Sorry, Now, the mom after the girls moved out of
the house when they got old enoughing with that, the
mom stayed there. Now, supposedly back in like seven nine,
Janet said that a priest came in, did you know
some blessings and stuff, and most of the stuff calmed down,

(37:06):
but it didn't completely go away, but most of it
calmed down. So they move out. Eventually, the mom stays there,
and the mom actually suffered a nervous breakdown, and the well,
I don't know unless she didn't believe it. I think
the mom I think in the back of her head,
I think she thought that the girls were doing this
or it was some kind of poltry guys activity, because,

(37:28):
as we've discussed before with poultry guys, if you've got
two teenage girls in the house, not with all cases,
but in this case, two teenage girls in the house
and a dog barking in the background. But if they're
going through a rough time in life, you know, with
their divorce and handling things. You get teenagers going through puberty,

(37:52):
that's when these poltr guist activities happened. So it just
could be power and stuff they were manifesting.

Speaker 5 (37:58):
You're blaming it on PMS somewhat somewhat that can get
you hurt, you know that, right, See, must be that time.

Speaker 3 (38:08):
So but she stayed there, but she asked the daughters
after her nervous breakdown to never talk about it again.
So that leads me to believe that she thinks it
had a little bit to do with them. So she
stayed there until she died in two thousand and three.
Then Claire Bennett and her four kids moved in. They
stayed there for two months and moved out, So maybe

(38:30):
it wouldn't open. So, like I said, some people think
it could be fake, some people think it could be real.
But it's not really up for us to decide that.
It's basically up for you guys that decide. That's That's
pretty much as much information as I could really dig
up without boring you because some of the stuff there
was tedious. But that tells you pretty much anything you

(38:53):
need to know about the Infield haunting.

Speaker 5 (38:55):
Yeah, that's so interesting. I mean, honestly, I would have
never thought those girls would do that, And Mom's just
dumb for staying there after the girls moved out. I
would have got the heck out of Dodge here. I
would have just went somewhere else you didn't have to
worry about, you know, housing them anymore.

Speaker 3 (39:09):
Yeah, but you gotta realize this took place from seventy
seven to seventy nine. The girls were eleven and thirteen.
If they moved out, I mean that would have put
it in like eighty five eighty six by that time.
Nothing's really been going on for five six seven years,
so why not stay there? I don't know if you
made it that long. Well, you got all the fucking answers.
You said the word I know, I'm tuning up for

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when we do that. That's and that's why we drink show.

Speaker 5 (39:37):
I'm sorry, peeps.

Speaker 3 (39:41):
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(40:02):
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But they helped get us founcil. I guess this should
shut up before we get haunted by them.

Speaker 5 (40:14):
Oh my god, Oh guess what happened you all?

Speaker 8 (40:17):
So one?

Speaker 6 (40:19):
What was it?

Speaker 5 (40:19):
The night before last? I was upstairs by myself and
Jerry was downstairs.

Speaker 3 (40:23):
Oh my god.

Speaker 5 (40:24):
So I'm sitting there. I was painting my fingernails and
all of a sudden I heard this noise and it
sounded just like I can't do it because but it
sounded like somebody saying something backward. I looked over and
Jerry's iPad was on his nightstand, but it was closed.
It wasn't open, his phone wasn't up here nothing. I'm like,

(40:47):
what the craft was that? And I mean, I didn't
know what to do. And it lasted just about it's
like three or four words and it was over. So
I the speaker was over there and it was on.
I went over automatically. I just turned the speaker off
as fast as I could, and Jerry was downstairs. I
have no clue what that was. And then with the

(41:08):
TV going off this week, I'm like, it was a
little freaky for me around here.

Speaker 3 (41:12):
And I came upstairs and like every light upstairs lit ane.

Speaker 5 (41:15):
I mean, I'm just setting up, like what is that?
Oh my God, has scared me. I don't know what
it was.

Speaker 3 (41:22):
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(41:44):
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Speaker 5 (41:54):
Thank you for that, Victoria, Thank you guys for listening,
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Speaker 3 (42:01):
As she's doing right now right his eyes in the
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Speaker 5 (42:10):
Thank you, please, thank you.

Speaker 3 (42:14):
You guys have heard. Sorry, I will do it my
mouth again. It's gonna start to be a habit stop.

Speaker 6 (42:24):
So I.

Speaker 11 (42:30):
Was, oh, my gosh, I don't know, it was just
late or what the deal is? He almost barked in
his mouth again.

Speaker 5 (42:41):
It was so gross.

Speaker 3 (42:43):
Okay, So I'm gonna tell you a couple of things
coming up. On June eleventh, we do have the joint
show with the girls from a Nuts while we Drink.
I'm super excited about that. This week, I'm actually doing
an interview that will play on next week's show. This
is one that it kind of fell in my lap,

(43:03):
and I'm really excited about this too. But it's boke
Easter from hill Billy Horror Show. And if you guys
haven't checked that out yet, go on YouTube and watch
some of the stuff. They've got their own YouTube channel
they've got. He was in Remember the Titans. He was
in a movie on Netflix. It's actually pretty awesome called
The Taking of Deborah Logan. He's in that, but he's

(43:26):
he's an actor, he's but he also does some comedy.
He does little horror movie stuff, but he'll Billy Horror Show.
They've been they got, Like I said, they've got their
own channel, but they've been doing stuff since twenty fourteen.
You look them up on IMDb. But what they do
is they do little hillbilly satire jokes and stuff like that,
and then they introduced a horror movie and then they

(43:47):
do that. It's like a fifteen twenty minute horror movie
shorts and then they go back to the fun and stuff,
but most of it takes place outside or in a trailer,
but absolutely hilarious. The guys are gonna give us a
DVD to give away you to you, one of you guys,
and we're gonna do that probably next week, so it
should be shipped to me this weekend and we'll get
it out that as soon as we get it. So

(44:07):
thank you guys very much, and we're gonna jump into
our next story because we got one more really yep,
next week's show, because I forget to do that too.
It is on past lives and reincarnation. On the surface,
that might seem kind of boring, but I'm telling you,
I've already been researching it a week and a half early,
and we've got some stories that are going to blow

(44:29):
your mind. I mean, this could end up being this
will be some people's favorite show when it's all said
and done. It's it's awesome. I mean, Tracy's interested in
it before we even get this show, by the way,
and she never even knows what show we're doing, but
she's fascinated.

Speaker 2 (44:42):
Life.

Speaker 3 (44:43):
But this next story actually is pretty cool too. It's
on Bachelor Growth Cemetery, So some background on Bachelor Growth Cemetery.
It's on the southwest side of Chicago. It's one acre
in size, and it got named it because back during
the original settler days in the early eighteen hundreds, it

(45:04):
was bought and divided up by four single guys, so
they named it Bachelor's Grove.

Speaker 5 (45:08):
Oh, that's cool.

Speaker 3 (45:10):
It was thought to be an Indian burial ground before
the settlers came in, and the first known burial was
nineteen thirty eight. But it's possible that some German immigrants
were buried there in nineteen thirty four that were killed
working on the Illinois and Michigan Canal, but there's no
record of it, so there's no People think it happened,

(45:30):
but they don't have any proof of it happened. The
last burial there was in nineteen sixty five. In the
nineteen twenties and the thirties, it was pretty much thought
that the mob there, the Chicago Mob, would dump bodies
into the pond that was on there, and they pretty
much know this because when the police would pull bodies
out of the pond, they would also find a bunch

(45:52):
of illegal guns and weapons and stuff. So they're pretty
much tot him that the mob was involved.

Speaker 5 (45:57):
What a horrible thing to have to do.

Speaker 3 (46:00):
Teen fifties, this is when everything kind of started. There
was no record of hauntings or anything until the fifties. Now,
in the nineteen fifties, teenagers started kind of using it
as a party place because what happened was all around
the cemetery. It began to be housing and stuff like that.
So now you got all these kids and teenagers and
stuff that didn't used to be around the area. The

(46:20):
problem was, obviously they wouldn't just come there and party,
they would vandalize. There was headstones broken, moved over, all
kinds of graffiti and stuff on them. Even some grave
robbing there was. There was, you know, graves that were
actually dug up and the cast gets open.

Speaker 5 (46:38):
Oh my lord.

Speaker 3 (46:40):
So it got to be a really big problem. You know,
at one time this place had about two hundred bodies
in it. Because there was so much vandalism and stuff
going on, people started having bodies taken out. And I
think they say today there's anywhere between seventy to one
hundred bodies still there, but a hundred of them have
been moved already, maybe between one hundred and hundred and
thirty been moved. The other big thing that goes on
there is say cults, I guess because of the easy access.

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It's kind of sits back in the woods, away from everything,
so you have to there. Used to be a main
road that was back in the settlers days that led
right back to it, and that's been blocked off for years,
so now it's just like a path that leads back there.
But it's like I think they said, it's about a
half a mile or three quarters of a mile walk
from where the the gate is that closes it off,
So it's a pretty pretty good walk just to get

(47:26):
back there. There's still a lot of people that go
back there and hang out still still apparently satanic colts
back there, and teenagers and just people that are you know, sick,
well not sick, but people were just fascinated with the
with the hauntings of the cemetery, still go back there
and check it out.

Speaker 5 (47:44):
Well, I mean I can understand that, but that other
stuff miss crap.

Speaker 3 (47:48):
Now people blame all the paranormal activity on all the
grave desecration and the cults, you know, situations disrupting the dead,
which you gets you could kind of understand that. The
nineteen seventies they put a big fence up about around it,
just a big chain link fence try to keep people out,
but it didn't it didn't stop the vandalism. So here's

(48:08):
some of the stuff that actually goes on in there.
In front of the cemetery. There's a bunch of wrecks
out there because people see a phantom car that's like
it's like it drives towards them and it veers them
off the road. But then then there was no actual car. Gosh,
So that's that's one of the things that happened. There
are lots of blue orbs. Everybody that takes a picture

(48:28):
out there. It seems like almost everybody's got pictures of orbs.
Why blue, I don't know, but that's what they see.
One of the coolest things is a phantom house. There's
supposed to be a house that just appears like it's
it's if you're in the cemetery and you go back
in the woods a little bit, like I think I said,
a couple of blocks or so, there's a house that
just appears and it seems like it's floating in the air,

(48:50):
and you can actually walk towards it, but as you
walk towards it, it gets smaller and smaller and eventually
just disappears. And they said it's just and of cool
that people see that. One of the more famous pictures.
And you can look this one up. This is another
good one. I'll try to remember the post did. It's
the lady in White and they call her the white
Madonna in this case, but it's the same old lady

(49:12):
in white story. But she walks around supposedly holding a baby.
Nobody really has a background on what that is. But
there's a really cool picture that looks like a lady
sitting just on a flat headstone, looks just like a
block sitting there, and it looks really clear as to
what it is someone or so where you would think
it really is just a woman sitting there, But the

(49:33):
people that took the picture said that there was nobody
there when they took the picture.

Speaker 5 (49:37):
Oh that's interesting, yep.

Speaker 3 (49:40):
And this is there's a there's a tombstone there that
says and I didn't write this down, so I'm going
on memory, but I think it says infant girl is
what it says. Infant something and people come there and
they bring they're supposed to bring gifts. So if you
go there, there's always like little candles lit and there's

(50:02):
little stuffed animals and stuff like that at this because supposedly,
if you don't bring her something that you know, you're
set to be haunted by her. So people, that's like
a little thing that people but there's it's just like
when we talked about with Marie Lavo's tom there's always
a bunch of stuff there.

Speaker 5 (50:18):
So people really do that.

Speaker 3 (50:19):
Oh yeah, yeah, this was my favorite story out of
all of them. Supposedly on this land there, uh and
we mentioned the pond there where the mob was throwing people.
But on this land there was a guy that was
his horse and one of the manual plows you know
that you walk behind the horse pulls and you walk behind,
and supposedly the horse got spooked he ran off into

(50:43):
the pond and the guy trailing right behind it and
both of them drowned.

Speaker 5 (50:47):
Well, why didn't he let go of the rain?

Speaker 3 (50:49):
I have no clue. I was not involved in that situation.

Speaker 5 (50:53):
The paul Ingles would have never done that. Well, paul
Ingles would.

Speaker 3 (50:56):
Let go of the rein and I guarantee ninety percent
of our listeners to have no clue who Paul Ingles is.

Speaker 5 (51:03):
Oh, he's a like really hot guy with he wears suspenders.

Speaker 3 (51:07):
With no shirt on little house in a prairie. You
still didn't give it away. That could have been a
fireman calendar for all you just described.

Speaker 5 (51:14):
I was just picturing him in my mind.

Speaker 3 (51:18):
Whatever it takes. So the funny thing about this story
is there's people on the main road out there that
that swear that on occasion you will see a horse
come from the woods with a guy on the plow
behind it and goes straight across the road and you
have to stop for it.

Speaker 8 (51:36):
What.

Speaker 3 (51:37):
Yeah, there's been several people say that they see that.
Some people say that they see like a two headed creature.
One of them's got one of the heads is a
horse and one of them is a man, So they
think that could be the same thing.

Speaker 5 (51:49):
I don't know, well them on his part to hold
on is I'm saying the.

Speaker 3 (51:53):
Other thing that one of the other things people see
out there is they see hooded figures, and some people
seem to think that it could be monks. Really it's
in the woods, could be chipmunks.

Speaker 5 (52:04):
You know, that was my nickname, I know in school.

Speaker 6 (52:06):
I know.

Speaker 5 (52:07):
Thanks for bringing that up.

Speaker 3 (52:09):
But the people have seen that as late as nineteen
eighty four. No way, another thing that people have seen.
This goes back just to the nineteen nineties. But there's
a black dog that apparently is just seen all the
time at the entrance of the cemetery.

Speaker 5 (52:25):
Really, I would love to see a dog.

Speaker 3 (52:27):
Yeah, well, if it's a demonic dog. We know what
black dogs mean at cemeteries, not all.

Speaker 5 (52:32):
Not always. It could be a loving dog that wants
to play.

Speaker 3 (52:37):
Well, guys, we appreciate it. It's been a fun week.
We get a little bit shorter show than we have
been doing. It still go end up being about fifty
minutes long, but we had some obligations were actually this
Sunday we have to go to a benefit. I'm hosting
a benefit for a friend of ours that needs some
medical attention and help paint his bills from some major

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medical problems he encountered a couple of months ago. So
I'm happy to do that, but it cut me short
on time this week for doing the podcast for us
having to be there all day Sunday, which I have
no problem doing, but we wanted to make sure that
you guys still had a podcast, so we just did
it early.

Speaker 5 (53:14):
Yeah, So we.

Speaker 3 (53:15):
Enjoy doing this for you guys, and we hope you
enjoy what we put out. And trust me when I
tell you we give everything we've got into putting these
shows together. You have no clue with our work schedules
and then coming straight home and putting putting time into
these things. But we want you guys to have the best,
so we have no problem doing it, not a bit.

Speaker 5 (53:35):
And we always have a good time. And sometimes I
laugh too much, Sorry about that, y'all, and.

Speaker 3 (53:39):
Sometimes it causes us a bad review. It's our only
two star review. I know they didn't like my laugh
that said that wife's laugh was very annoying.

Speaker 5 (53:48):
Oh haters, I'm sorry if my laugh is annoying.

Speaker 3 (53:53):
But we're going to close the night with we got
Tracy singing.

Speaker 7 (53:56):
Now.

Speaker 3 (53:57):
She's been doing this rapping and stuff and we have
a good time with it and we laugh and poke
fun at her. But she actually can sing, and I thought,
I would, you know, she's dead enough for the fun
of the show that she should have an opportunity to
show you guys that She's not a one trick pony,
because we definitely know, Like when you said, what were
you in a past life? It definitely was not a

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rapper you said. You said, you said what was past?

Speaker 5 (54:23):
That's when you said that rude remark. That's right. How
can I forget? Well, I still love you though I
love you too, I know you too.

Speaker 3 (54:31):
So we're going to close this show out and enjoy
the many sounds of Tracy Pauley. I should say, the
soothing sounds, the melodic sounds, or.

Speaker 5 (54:44):
The screeching sounds. You never know what you're going to get,
so enjoy.

Speaker 3 (54:48):
We'll see you guys next week. Don't forget next week's show,
Past Lives Reincarnation. I'm telling you this is going to
blow your mind. And if you do not believe in
reincarnation or you've never really thought about it, I bet
you by they in the next week's show, you're going
to be rethinking it, and probably I bet half of
you believe after the show. Yeah, we'll see you guys
next week out.

Speaker 9 (55:19):
I'm shuremntor in the rain, but I'm again forward to
the song you have two fee the things.

Speaker 8 (55:35):
When you so love you gave some.

Speaker 10 (55:40):
I thought, But now the time.

Speaker 4 (55:42):
We'll take away this lonely tea. I hope you're doing
fine nowhere I go.

Speaker 8 (55:53):
From here.

Speaker 9 (55:56):
Because without you, okay, and without you have lost my way.

Speaker 6 (56:07):
My host is a.

Speaker 7 (56:12):
So without you, well, I never thought I'd be I
in here without you, I said, it seems sundrial to me.

Speaker 5 (56:38):
My few promis was and made so easy making love
to memory. I guess you got what you own?

Speaker 8 (56:55):
What about me? Say?

Speaker 10 (57:00):
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Speaker 8 (57:19):
Without king somebody to tell my has a tib tell my.

Speaker 3 (57:51):
And I'm that.

Speaker 10 (57:56):
A fanny with out jeez.

Speaker 3 (58:36):
All right, welcome back to Hibbey Horror Stories. And I
am excited to have our next guest on because she
uh definitely has some aspects to her career that I've
never been able to really talk to anybody about. So
I'm excited to learn. So please welcome. I'm going to
try this Kroatia own a Carol.

Speaker 8 (58:54):
We did a perfect job perfect Well, I.

Speaker 3 (58:57):
Won't count on myself to do it right the next time.
So what is what ko as your nickname is for the.

Speaker 6 (59:02):
Rest That's fine, that's great, no problem there.

Speaker 3 (59:06):
Well, welcome to Hibbily Horror Stories. Thank you for joining
us tonight. I know you've got a busy schedule and
you took some time out for us, and I know
the listeners will appreciate that.

Speaker 6 (59:15):
Excellent.

Speaker 8 (59:16):
I am all ready to go fire.

Speaker 3 (59:19):
Well, let's start with this. The website is Queen of
the Paranormal dot com. You are billed as Queen of
the Paranormal. How did that come about?

Speaker 6 (59:32):
That came about about?

Speaker 8 (59:34):
You know, I'm trying to recollect the year, but I
did eighty five programs on WNBS broadcast television and also
a cable cast out here in New England, and I
used to go by the name of CC the Huntress
and we would say, you know, CC the Huntress is
Queen of the Paranormal, and we put it on big
posters and stuff like that. I think it was back

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in two thousand and six or seven, and that happened
because a gentleman called into a radio show and he
called me the Queen of the Paranormal and it stuck,
and I said, you know what, I like that name,
So I started using it on posters and then I
got a trademark and I've been using it ever since.

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In business so's it's paid off plenty for me to
be able to, you know, do that. So that's how
the name came about. And it's funny because you know,
I've seen over time where a lot of my counterparts
in the.

Speaker 6 (01:00:30):
Ghost hunting industry.

Speaker 8 (01:00:32):
They all have their nicknames, you know, they have you know,
the rock and roll ghost hunter or paranormal rock star
or grandfather of the paranormal. They got everybody in their
mother and I'm thinking, well, now that they got the
queen too. There you go, it's all good.

Speaker 3 (01:00:49):
Well, let me ask you this because for most of
our listeners that I'm sure some of them already know
who you are because you've been over the years to
all of the major conventions, whether it be horror and normal,
and did a lot of comic cons on one of
our One of the things I wanted to touch on
was the reason you one of the reasons you go
to the comic cons is you've actually had somebody make

(01:01:12):
you into a comic book superhero. Tell me a little
bit about that.

Speaker 8 (01:01:16):
Well that happened after when I was at the comic cons.
I've always had.

Speaker 6 (01:01:22):
I want to be able to take my knowledge and
to teach it to the masses. I don't like to
sing to the choir.

Speaker 8 (01:01:30):
Well, I have before at paranormal conventions they call them
comic cons.

Speaker 6 (01:01:35):
No they don't, they call them paracons. And been there,
done that for many many years under.

Speaker 8 (01:01:42):
The same management as the Ghost Hunters and Ghost Adventures
and every ghost show out there. We had the same
event management company. I was with them for about five years,
and so I decided to leave them and go more
to a national aspect where I could get out of
the church. You know, I mean, I'm not singing to
the choir and sing sing to the masses. And my

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knowledge I have over the many years, and the way
that I interpret the spirit world for people, I actually
let them feel it directly.

Speaker 6 (01:02:14):
And I don't you know, I don't mince words.

Speaker 8 (01:02:18):
I'm very logical when it comes to the stuff and
skeptical at times as well. And uh and and it's
paid off a big to be able to get into
the you know, the larger the larger comic cons.

Speaker 6 (01:02:35):
So in order to be.

Speaker 8 (01:02:36):
Able to take my knowledge and my teaching a step further,
I wanted to do a bunch of different avenues and
lo and behold, you know, someone else had the same idea,
and this gentleman, Charles Morissett walked up to me from
Silver Phoenix Entertainment and he said, hey, I like you

(01:02:59):
to be in a comic book. And I said, well, okay, look,
I don't mind being in a comic book. I want
a comic book two different things, and so we started
off with the first adventure, which is the Haunted Tales
of Bachelor's Growth, and working with a bunch of different
artists and writers. But for me, because my end is factual,

(01:03:22):
I needed to be hands on with the writing. So
I would work with Brian Morris, who was the writer
from my stuff, back and forth, back and forth to
make sure we had accuracy when it came to the
paranormal aspect or healing aspect, or different things you would
do to cleanse something or contain a demon or whatever.

(01:03:43):
This was my job, so I wanted to have that
in the comic book as factual as humanly possible, and
we were able to do that, and with doing that,
I became the very first person ever in comic book history, man, woman, parent, normal, whatever,
to become a superhero doing what she does in real

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life between the pages of a comic book. So that
that was a first for all of us. I mean,
I'm thinking, like, no, that can't be you sure, and
they said absolutely. We had a comic book, historian research it.
No one's objected, no one can even counter it because
it is what it is. You know, it's a fact,
which is a good thing.

Speaker 6 (01:04:26):
It's a great legacy to have for people in the
paranormal to be.

Speaker 8 (01:04:29):
Able to get a different avenue, a mainstream avenue, to
make the subject of the paranormal a little more palatable
to many people. And again, what I want to do,
My goal is to teach so the masses. So this
is just one of the avenues that we look at,
you know, to go forward. And I know it raised
a lot of feathers there in the paranormal industry. All

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had a heart attack or something because it was me
a girl.

Speaker 6 (01:04:55):
But that's just too bad. It's just the way it happened.

Speaker 8 (01:04:59):
And and that's what I can say about that with
the comic book.

Speaker 3 (01:05:03):
Well cool. So let me let me ask you this
because I know, like I said, for all the listeners
out there, you're an amazing talented woman who does so
many different things, and you've done some acting. Let's talk
a little bit about, Uh, what are some of the
films that you've been in which and what did you
enjoy about doing the acting?

Speaker 6 (01:05:25):
Well, you know what, it's so funny when you say
the acting.

Speaker 8 (01:05:30):
I totally one hundred percent immerse myself into the character
you know that they want me to play. Now. When
I was in Toxic uh a toxic to To that
was a pivotal point right there, to be part of
a horror a cult classic, which was Toxic Avenger as

(01:05:51):
we all know with Mark Torgol and Lloyd Kaufman and Skippy,
which is dominic cal video.

Speaker 6 (01:05:58):
To be in that movie with those start in.

Speaker 8 (01:06:00):
Mel Novak and Jesus. The list just goes on of
people who were in that movie, and so you have
Toxic Advenure, and thirty years later is Toxic Too Too,
which kind of brings up to speed on what happened
to the people involved in Toxic Adventure. So it's like
thirty years into the future. And I was the one

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who played a pivotal role to be able to but
you could twist it into and throw it into the future.
And I played myself with my name and what I
do and that was a first for the paranormal industry
is a first to be able to blend horror and
paranormal together at such a top level. And again feathers

(01:06:43):
were raised, you know, like how she getting all these opportunities,
And I'm like, well, maybe if you read my resume
you'd figure it out.

Speaker 6 (01:06:50):
So can't help. You can't educate yourself.

Speaker 8 (01:06:54):
And I always tell people never go by rumor or speculation.
Educate yourself.

Speaker 6 (01:07:00):
Education is key to success in many industries.

Speaker 3 (01:07:04):
I agree one hundred percent. I mean it's you can't
ever underestimate yourself. If you underestimate yourself, you're just doing
a great disservice. Because everybody has the power to do
pretty much anything they want to do if they'll just
put forth the effort and see that they can make
it happen. That's my thing, yea.

Speaker 6 (01:07:22):
And the beauty about this area is this is America.
It's the best country in the world. We can do
and become anything we want.

Speaker 8 (01:07:31):
We just have to go out and do it.

Speaker 6 (01:07:34):
That's it.

Speaker 8 (01:07:35):
We have everything going for us, not against us, you know.
And people don't see that. They like to see the
negative and the drama and all of this, and I
think they should focus on the good and the beauty
of our country, and get a just of how the
opportunities can come to you if you are positive, you know,

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if you have positive energy.

Speaker 3 (01:08:00):
Unfortunately, all you got to do is spend five minutes
on Facebook and you'll see that's not how the majority
of people act. I mean, it's just it's sad that ever.
You know, the whole misery loves company is so true,
especially in today's.

Speaker 8 (01:08:11):
Society, because I don't like I tell you, I don't
do the Can you hear me, Yeah, I can hear you.

Speaker 6 (01:08:20):
Fine, Okay, I.

Speaker 8 (01:08:22):
Don't do the.

Speaker 6 (01:08:24):
Para cons.

Speaker 8 (01:08:26):
It's basically made up of just local people anyways, that
local paranormal groups, and they all get together and have
their vendors. And I think that's wonderful. I think it's great.

Speaker 6 (01:08:37):
But oh my god, I just lost my train of thought.

Speaker 8 (01:08:40):
Oh wow, and I didn't even have any wine.

Speaker 3 (01:08:43):
It's okay. We were talking about people being negative on Facebook, right.

Speaker 8 (01:08:47):
Right, right? So anyways, I some of these people I
see some times, because you know, I'm here. When I
go to grocery store, I might run into somebody local
or whatever, and I am kind of chummy with a
few groups here and there. Some paranormal teams, but for
the most part, I left that behind. When I stood
into a more national, international movie television type thing, I

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left that all kind of behind, and I was wondering
it was just like two days ago, like just what
everybody's doing.

Speaker 6 (01:09:18):
So I started to serve faith.

Speaker 8 (01:09:20):
Bucking mom and beahal, this one's calling that one a name,
that one's calling this one a name, this one's asking
somebody a stupid question. And I'm thinking, oh, that's jeez.
I didn't miss anything. I could have gone ten years
and gone back, it was still would have been doing
the same thing. That Nobody is taking anybody's information or

(01:09:42):
their paranormal research to heart.

Speaker 6 (01:09:45):
They just poo poo things.

Speaker 8 (01:09:46):
And that's so sad because there's just so much to
learn from many different people. We're such a diverse society
when it comes to the paranormal, and everybody has, you know,
their own tricks of the trade, ways to do things,
ways to interpret things.

Speaker 6 (01:10:04):
It's nice to hear all this stuff.

Speaker 8 (01:10:06):
I have such a great time at comic cons because
the general public come to see me and they're able
to even you know, teach me, you know, new tricks too,
because they're just you know, Bright Eye and Bushytail and
the big guys, and they're telling you their stories and
they're telling you what they did they and they're beautiful
for it too. And the paranormal industry, let's say that

(01:10:29):
exists on Facebook, because it really doesn't like exist anywhere else.
These groups and stuff they don't like call Facebook. It's
like a Facebook famous thing, you know, And they really
should start listening to their fellow local groups to get
that information and share it and be happy and proud
of each other.

Speaker 6 (01:10:49):
I think that's what they should be doing.

Speaker 8 (01:10:51):
That's just my opinion.

Speaker 3 (01:10:52):
No, I agree one hundred percent. I mean in the
podcast world, we kind of do the same thing. I mean,
we had a couple of people give us a hand
up when we were still art and to put us
on their show, give us a little more exposure. And
now we try to do the same thing, and with
some of the smaller podcasts that are just starting, and
I mean, I'd much rather do it that way than
to try to look at somebody as competition. I mean,
we're all in it for the same thing. We're not competition.

Speaker 8 (01:11:15):
No, And I've never looked at the paranormal industry and
you know, celebrity ship or whatever you want to call it,
as competition. I always I see a lot of people
in the industry on the local level that if they
don't get famous fast enough, they decide they're going to
go chase Bigfoot or something instead, and then the mat

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at everybody else and of course me, but I always
tell them, you know, if anybody asked me, you know,
how did you get famous, and I'm thinking, that's that's
an unusual term. I work hard. Number One, I don't
concentrate on fame. Number two, I look at it as
an avenue to teach. At the larger comic cons it.

(01:12:00):
For me, it's a quest for excellence and not a
quest for fame. Because if you're on a quest for
excellence and you can do good things and teach people
and help, then all at rest is just going to
follow along with you.

Speaker 6 (01:12:16):
And it's a proven in theory.

Speaker 8 (01:12:19):
I mean, look at me, you know, and I'll work
this every single day, seven days a week, and my
family too, so we all have something to offer. But
never concentrate on fame, because you know, a flash and a.

Speaker 6 (01:12:33):
Pan is easily extinguished.

Speaker 8 (01:12:36):
That's what I say.

Speaker 3 (01:12:37):
Absolutely, let's talk about my favorite all time movie. Anybody
knows me knows this The Exorcist. You've got a project
involving the Exorcists. Tell me a little bit about that.

Speaker 8 (01:12:49):
Yes, what I did. My work with the Exorcist comes
in with the fortieth anniversary of The Exorcist on Blu
Ray DVD on the Director's cut. When you go to
that director's cut, you're going to see a compilation of
videos put together like a video clips.

Speaker 6 (01:13:06):
I mean of Father Gallagher and the Father Gallagher.

Speaker 8 (01:13:12):
Was a Georgetown University professor of divinity and his student
was William Peter Blattie, and Father Gallagher used the Bishop
Files to teach and prime William pter Bladdie, who wrote
the book The Exorcist and then subsequently the movie. The
Bishop's Files give you the accurate story and depiction of

(01:13:34):
the exorcisms used to write the book, you know, on
The Exorcist and then the movie, and of course things
were tweaked, and we know that Linda Blair played the girl,
but it was really a boy, and it was a
series of three exorcisms different places. And with the Bishop's
Files they also had witness statements, witness statements from seventy

(01:13:58):
people that witnessed this particular exorcism one hundred and fifty
for this particular.

Speaker 6 (01:14:03):
Exorcism, you know, so that they would be able to perform.

Speaker 8 (01:14:07):
The exorcisms based on the actual account and depiction of
what was going on in the room.

Speaker 6 (01:14:13):
At the time that people's heads was spinning around.

Speaker 8 (01:14:16):
And just a side note, I get called often that
people think they're being attacked by a demon. They got this,
they got that, or whatever, And I often tell them
just call the five o'clock news because by the time
they come to your house, your head should.

Speaker 6 (01:14:31):
Still be spinning and the books flying off the shelf.

Speaker 8 (01:14:33):
You need that many witnesses, and with the TV cameras
on there, then you get your witnesses. But I've never
seen anybody call the news. It kind of like goes away,
not making light of demons.

Speaker 6 (01:14:45):
They do exist.

Speaker 8 (01:14:46):
I've seen the Bishop Files, and so what I did
is the Bishop's Files kind of mirrors the actual movie.
So when you see the priests in the movie saying
you unclean spirits, that's a direct quote from the Bishop's Files,
you unclean spirits.

Speaker 6 (01:15:06):
And what I did when I matched it up.

Speaker 8 (01:15:08):
In sequences of what was set on the Bishop's files
to what was set on the Exorcist original movie, and
so you get like this, I call it like switchback,
go back and forth, back and forth, back and forth.
And Hollywood did this little bit of magic because my
editing is you know, elementary, and they're low and behold,
I'm part of the Exorcist legacy due to that factor

(01:15:30):
and allowed to use the Warner Brothers whatever, you know,
the logos and the box and all this stuff. So
really cool and that was really cool.

Speaker 3 (01:15:40):
Yeah, it's like I said, it's it's fair. You can't.
I can never get enough of it more the more
they want to add and dissect it that I'll just
watch a bit of it.

Speaker 8 (01:15:49):
And the thing is Warner Brothers only bought twenty minutes
of a four hour interview with Faller Gallagher and there's
much more on those tapes to then just the switchback
editing and all this stuff like that.

Speaker 6 (01:16:04):
And we do have two other gentlemen involved with me.

Speaker 8 (01:16:07):
One was Bob Boyd from Board Communications and the other
one is Mike Siegel, who is a radio show house
out and host in Los Angeles. And so we work
together and I know that there are going to be
more at things in the works. So that's going to
be another great opportunity for all of us.

Speaker 3 (01:16:27):
Well, that's awesome. Like I said, I hope it just
you know, whatever you guys get out of it, you've
got well deserved, because that's it's just a fascinating subject
to even be able to delve into.

Speaker 6 (01:16:37):
Oh yeah, it's really cool.

Speaker 3 (01:16:39):
Now. The main reason that I brought you on a show,
I mean, asided from all the other things I wanted
to touch on, because like I said, I find you
truly fascinating, is I really want to talk about your
work as a healer.

Speaker 8 (01:16:53):
I know you do.

Speaker 3 (01:16:53):
You know some readings and healings and stuff like that,
but this started from a personal experience from my knowledge.
Tell me a little bit about about your personal experience.

Speaker 8 (01:17:04):
Well, my personal experience. First off, I've been doing this.
I kind of tell you how many years the healing aspect,
I don't even know if it was maybe all my life,
but I have the ability to pray to heal, to
help to comfort, almost like a form of reiki, not

(01:17:25):
even knowing it was reiki or you know, corona reiki.
Usilly's regki, a form of healing with the hands and
in twenty thirteen, I was diagnosed with a brain tumor
and it was on Valentine's evening, Valentine's Day evening.

Speaker 6 (01:17:43):
I went in the day before. I was having problem
with my ear and they thought I might have something
wrong with the nerves.

Speaker 8 (01:17:55):
So they did this MRI thing whatever, and what came
back was a brain to him where I didn't know
I had, and it was like it was a big
one and it was in an area where you couldn't
really like operate, but they felt it was not malignant,

(01:18:15):
but it didn't matter because it grows going to kill
you anyways. So I'm like, well, that's comforting. And I
didn't tell my family right away. Of course I told
my husband. I didn't tell the kids, I because of course,
what do you do ring the alarm belt? And eventually
I had to say something because I was going for

(01:18:36):
tests and this and that, and I started to come
to my senses and realization that I'm going to start
to self heal and use all the knowledge I have
and the way I've helped other people to heal myself.
And I kept visualizing, I kept doing jeez, I used
so many different combinations of energy force, which you know,

(01:19:00):
I could I use elemental energy force. That's that's new.
A lot of people don't do that. That's that's calling
on like the rain, the wind, the leaves, that dirt,
the rocks, everything that has energy to pull forward along
with like chi force energy or chie force energy they
call it. And and of course the reiki and the

(01:19:21):
healing from the universe and just imagining my hand going
into my brain and pulling it out and throwing it away.
And so I was being scheduled for surgery to see,
you know what they could do. They could grab part
of it. You know, it would make its way to
the path of least resistance as it grew. And so

(01:19:45):
the path of least resistance was they have to just
going to go through my nasal passages and grab what
they could. So they had to redo the you know,
the MRI, and what came back was there was there
was no tumor and what was left was just the
sack that it came in, and that looked like it
was shrinking. So I had gone back another time, like

(01:20:09):
five six months later, another MRI, and it was completely gone.

Speaker 6 (01:20:13):
And I do attribute that to the healing process.

Speaker 8 (01:20:16):
Of positive energy and how I healed myself, so I
have that and now I'm working on my back. So
I always tell people that healings do work. They work
one hundred percent, but they don't always work in the
manner that you would hope they would at times. And

(01:20:38):
like if someone has let's say, let's say cancer, and
they want a healing and it doesn't clear the cancer,
but what it might do is make your family have
a different type of acceptance and understanding to make it
easier for you to go through the transition of life

(01:21:00):
into death. So it does work, it just works in
a different manner. And if they do, go to my
page you'll see a bunch of stories where we deal
with There was this boy I'm Bryant's brother had had
cancer diagnosed and I did.

Speaker 6 (01:21:20):
A healing for him remotely and he went back and didn't.

Speaker 8 (01:21:22):
Have it at all, Like it just wasn't nothing of
it was there. So that was an amazing feat right there.
So I do a lot of these healings. I do
them with animals as well and people, and I do
them remotely and they're always always free.

Speaker 6 (01:21:41):
I never charge. I didn't do anything.

Speaker 8 (01:21:43):
God gave me a gift and I share it as
far as my readings. What I do is I read energy.
I don't do this, you know, the typical psychic reading.
I don't believe in a lot of psychics or spirit mediums,
whatever they want to call them. I think ninety eight
percent of them can go to Hell in a handbag,

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and the two percent that are left within the world,
which means millions upon millions of them, are probably pretty
darn good. So and I have And the reason I
claim this is because I have gone with a bunch
of friends and I've taken money out of my own
pocket and we all go for a reading to the
same person.

Speaker 6 (01:22:26):
Man or woman, and lo and behold, it looks like
we all got the same reading.

Speaker 8 (01:22:32):
And I don't like that. Another thing because of the
claim I make but I don't like the psychics, is
because I was a police officer in Lawrence, Massachusetts. You
don't want the game task force. I graduated Northeast Regional
Police Institute in Twoksbury, Massachusetts, top of my class and
top of my class of firearms training. And with that knowledge,

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right then and right there, I have seen detectives do
better or psychic work than psychics themselves. Because it's like
it's a leading process, and you watch for eye movement,
you watch for jaw clunching, you watch for respiration, you
watch for heartbeat, you know, on the arteries, and there's
a way like you can and you know, get the

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questions right in there, and you watch for their their response.
And I do feel a lot of people who are
psychic psychic mediums they do this because hey, then business,
they want money. They they play on the heartstrings of others,
and it's it's not good. And that's the vast majority
of them. And of course we still have millions and

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millions of the ones who can actually do it right,
and they do a good job.

Speaker 6 (01:23:45):
Like you just sit there and you don't move. I
feel you should go to a psychic and just turn
turn your.

Speaker 8 (01:23:50):
Back to them. Then let them work.

Speaker 6 (01:23:53):
We'll see how good they are.

Speaker 3 (01:23:54):
I can see that they don't get a chance to
read your facial expressions or pick up on you know,
like being a post player.

Speaker 8 (01:24:01):
And I've been called a whole bunch of names because
you know, I don't agree with that, but I feel
I have Anybody has work to see anything they want,
but you know I have knowledge of it because of
the research I've done. So that's why I opened my mouth.

Speaker 3 (01:24:16):
I think I think they probably call you a whole
bunch of names because they can't pronounce your first name.

Speaker 8 (01:24:22):
Yeah, that's right.

Speaker 6 (01:24:25):
Yeah it's a hum dinger, but it's the way it is.

Speaker 8 (01:24:29):
I'm Polish and Russian, and I have Abhinaki, a Native American,
and me from Newport, Vermont, and a little bit of
French and Lithuanian. So I'm a pretty good mix.

Speaker 3 (01:24:41):
My goodness, I saw. I think one of the coolest
things that I saw was that in twenty sixteen, you
actually went to the Capitol steps to put a healing
on Washington. You may need to go back, you.

Speaker 6 (01:25:00):
Know, that's fine, that's funny.

Speaker 8 (01:25:01):
You mentioned that I was actually asked to go back
by one of the security people there. You get a
hold of me just the other day, and he was
the guy that kind of help helped us out, you know,
when I was there and kept an eye on us,
you never know what could happen. I'm so I'm contemplating that.
But I do have an upcoming I got more filming

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to do. I've got.

Speaker 6 (01:25:24):
As far as media.

Speaker 8 (01:25:25):
Work, I'll be working with the Huffington Post doing a
series of three more programs so it looks like we're
going to be doing four shows with the Huffington Post,
and those will be all written up in the Huffington
Post and carried on the I think I.

Speaker 6 (01:25:40):
Believe the Jimmy Star Show, Oh cool.

Speaker 8 (01:25:43):
That's a different kind of podcast. He does a lot of.

Speaker 6 (01:25:48):
My Stars. I guess I don't, Hollywood.

Speaker 3 (01:25:51):
He is a unique individual.

Speaker 6 (01:25:52):
I will say that, Oh God, yes, and I love
him to death.

Speaker 4 (01:25:56):
I do.

Speaker 6 (01:25:57):
I find him fascinating and that guy's smart. He's really smart,
very smart individual.

Speaker 8 (01:26:03):
And we did a show together and it went viral,
and it went viral like literally in a day and
a half. And then of course when the Huffington Post hit,
that was an amazing story. No other person has gotten
that much coverage that I got in the Huffington Post
or any paper like that. I do know that Jason

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Hawes had a couple of sentences in the Huffington Post once,
and I mean I had literally the whole thing, like
pages so and video and pictures and every other thing.
So I would just like pat myself on the back,
and you know, people like to I guess, you know,
poke fun and body shame me and you know, all

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that kind of stuff, and I don't go for that.

Speaker 6 (01:26:50):
I pray for them.

Speaker 8 (01:26:50):
I hope they all grow up.

Speaker 3 (01:26:52):
I didn't say anything about your body to need to
be shamed. It's just.

Speaker 6 (01:26:57):
Thank you very much.

Speaker 8 (01:26:58):
But you know, no, I think it's when when people
in I think in any industry, but I find far
more of the paranormal industry, when they can't find something
to criticize you for, like your work or your accomplishments
and achievements that you've done in the field of the paranormal,
then they turn to maybe your physical attributes and and.

Speaker 6 (01:27:22):
Things, and and I just find that we're all adults.
I don't I hope you don't raise your kids like that.

Speaker 8 (01:27:29):
You know, this is what I'm thinking. You know, you
wouldn't want them to body shame anybody, So why are
you doing it? You know? I see it on Facebook
all the time, paranormal people body shaming other paranormal people.
It's just really weird. I'm just so glad I don't
do the local stuff anymore.

Speaker 3 (01:27:48):
Oh, why don't we Why don't we end with this?
Because it's been it's been fun, It's thirty minutes, has
just flown back. Why don't you tell everybody out there
if they like what they hear and they want to
get in kind intact you. The best way to do
that to see where you're at and that type of thing.

Speaker 8 (01:28:03):
Okay, if you want to learn more about me and
all the cool things that I've been into in the
movies and the movies continuing like the HBO series I'm
doing with Ron the Wild Kerner, an actual mob boss.
They just took his bracelet off so on his ankle
so he can go to three states now. But he

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is the real deal. He's the lass of the tough
Jews and very good friend of mine. So we'll be
working together and all the other different projects. And if
you'd like to donate to the healing projects we do
for travel funds, that'd be great. You can go to
Queen of the Paranormal dot com and from there you
can find everything we haven't talked about and you can
get a hold of me, and I'm very receptive.

Speaker 6 (01:28:47):
I do answer my messages and Texas and whatever.

Speaker 3 (01:28:53):
I can vouch for that. Yeah, because this whole thing
was thrown together actually literally like twelve hours ago, that's right,
and that was that was pretty awesome and uh yeah,
now right, well he was some of our listeners out
there will no. He was actually a boxer, also pretty
accomplished boxer, so.

Speaker 6 (01:29:12):
A very accomplished boxer, and of course he had, you know,
the weight of let's.

Speaker 8 (01:29:17):
Say, the Wise Guys behind him.

Speaker 6 (01:29:19):
And he's putting together a show.

Speaker 8 (01:29:22):
In fact, we're going to be filming with him with
with Jimmy Starr and the Huffington Post and we're gonna
be doing a show with him, uh in some of
these locations that he's familiar with and great guy. They're
going to be doing a brand new series on him
when they clear all the federal regulations, because you have

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to know what you can say, what you can't say,
and you know, stuff like that when it comes to
the Wise Guys. And I'm part of that, and it's
kind of like the Sopranos, but with real, real people,
like real people that were involved.

Speaker 6 (01:30:00):
And so I find that interesting myself, you know, to
learn more about that.

Speaker 8 (01:30:08):
I don't know much about the mob industry, but it
would be nice to learn and learn from the people
that were involved in it.

Speaker 3 (01:30:15):
I would highly advise anybody if they haven't seen the
little snippet you were talking about with Jimmy Starr and
yourself that went viral. It's it's on your website so
they can find it on there.

Speaker 6 (01:30:26):
Yes, it's crazy.

Speaker 3 (01:30:27):
Yeah, Jimmy doesn't. Jimmy just says whatever he wants.

Speaker 8 (01:30:31):
To say, and you know it's it's okay because I've
been Finally we got it in the open. And you know,
he asked about you know, my attributes there and I'm thinking, okay,
here it comes.

Speaker 6 (01:30:43):
I'm either going to punch.

Speaker 8 (01:30:44):
Him out or just they they're real, you know, they're real.
And for years in the paranormal industry, that's all I've
ever heard was this out or the other thing about
my body. And I just tell people, you know what,
God made me in his likeness, a woman likeness, and
made you like him and his likeness, and you like

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him in his life or her like him and her
and his likeness, and he loves us. So therefore, if
you have a problem with me, him, her and somebody else,
you can take it up, you know, with a man upstairs,
because he created me. And so I was glad that
Jimmy did that and we laughed about it. We had
so much fun, you know, because I am one hundred

(01:31:27):
percent real. I am the real deal, and I don't
pull any punches or any you know, side talk. I'll
just tell you the way it is. And that's how
I like to do my paranormal is. I do it
life to tape with with no going back and an
edit Wiggley cameras, too much to music. I really just
want people to see what's happening.

Speaker 3 (01:31:48):
Awesome, awesome, so much. Thank you so much for being
a part.

Speaker 6 (01:31:51):
Of this, and thank you Jerry, thank you for getting
hold of me.

Speaker 8 (01:31:55):
This was fun.

Speaker 3 (01:31:56):
What's like I said, I've been I've been kind of
following you for the last two or three months, just
wanting to say something to you, and then finally the
day just pulled the string on it. So worked out.

Speaker 6 (01:32:06):
I'm glad you did.

Speaker 8 (01:32:07):
I'm glad you did today I was I was saying,
you know, I had a really busy day when we
talked before the taping, I was out behind clothes for
some women that needed it.

Speaker 6 (01:32:16):
I dropped it with a homeless shelter. I bought a
bunch of summer tops and and went out.

Speaker 8 (01:32:23):
And the day before before I was doing animal rescue,
so always giving, always, you know, trying to teach my
kids to give back and be good and you'll get
blessings back tenfold with that.

Speaker 3 (01:32:37):
We did. We did the same thing a couple of
years ago. My daughter was working for a place and
they gave her a turkey for Thanksgiving and and you know,
we already had a turkey, and you know, so we
decided that we were going to go down to one
of the homeless shelters and just drop it off to them.
And it was all this teaching experience for her. And
she had never been to a homeless shelter, and when

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we went down there and she got to see the
people around it, it was a really opening experience. And
I think from that it is, Yeah, from this point forward,
she's always been a little more in tune to what
she has compared to what not everybody else has.

Speaker 6 (01:33:12):
Exactly. I think it's a it.

Speaker 8 (01:33:14):
Like you said, it's an eye opener. And I commend
you because you did did the right thing. You showed
her what other people don't have. But you also see
a lot of people who don't have give more than
the people that have. And I see it all the time.
You know, if if I go to like a community,
they might be homeless. I'm a common area or whatever,

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I'm always out.

Speaker 6 (01:33:36):
There chat and talk and laughing, and they're offering to
buy me coffee. I'm like, what, no, no, no, no no,
So I'll just go out and you know, get coffee
for everybody and stuff.

Speaker 8 (01:33:46):
But if there's an emergency or there's something going on,
they would just take their shirt off for you, seriously,
and I in return would do the same. And that's
why I try to, you know, stay focused on the
different communities that I do charitable work for.

Speaker 5 (01:34:05):
If you take your people have what they need.

Speaker 3 (01:34:07):
I'm sure if you take your shirt off, they're going
to lose focus of what they don't have. Right off
the back for speaking, Oh okay, god, okay, I misunderstood.

Speaker 8 (01:34:18):
Well you know what I mean.

Speaker 6 (01:34:19):
Oh that's too funny.

Speaker 3 (01:34:21):
Oh you are right, tharlin. Thank you so much. I'm
not going to take up any more of your time.
I know you've had a busy day already and I
appreciate what you've giving us.

Speaker 8 (01:34:28):
Well, you know what to be able to share knowledge
and who I am people to come into the website,
I always have time for that. So we got to
do this again sometime in a future. That would be
really cool.

Speaker 6 (01:34:39):
And you hit me up anytime.

Speaker 3 (01:34:41):
All right, yes, ma'am, thank you so much.

Speaker 6 (01:34:43):
Okay, bye bye bye