2040 Heidi Wyrick Story and Jim Harrold

Jerry and Tracy discuss the Heidi Wyrick story,the strange disappearance of Christopher Tompkins. Jerry and his son Alex discuss if Chris Cornell was killed by the Illuminati. Interview with the man, the legend, Jim Harold!

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hello, Hellbilly Nation. This is this Tim here back and
fresh from vacation, AH. And it was a well deserved
and needed vacation. We had a wonderful time with our grandchildren.
Took them to the amusement park up there towards Pittsburg

(00:20):
called Kenny Wood, and my oldest grandson decided he now
likes roller coasters. So, as you can imagine, Nana is
not going to ride the roller coasters, so that leaves Paul.

Speaker 2 (00:36):
Paul.

Speaker 1 (00:38):
Let's just say we rode all but one a roller
coaster that day. My bag hurts, my butt hurts, my
body hurts, but you know what it was for my boy,
and I would do it all over again. We had

(01:00):
a wonderful time. And we flew back into Texas just
the other day, and I just want to say something.
Somebody's about to be really, really shocked. So we're going
through the airport heading to our terminal. I had my
Hibbly Horror Story's shirt on because it's well comfortable, and

(01:26):
we're sitting there. My wife stopped and got her starbucked coffee,
and I'm sitting there waiting on her because I don't
drink coffee. I know it's a sin for some of
you guys, I just don't drink coffee. And a young
lady walks up to me. She says, you listen to
Hibbly Horde stories. I went, yes, ma'am, I do. She's like,

(01:48):
I absolutely love Hibbily Hord stories. And she went on
and talked about Jerry and how she missed Jerry and
loved Tracy, and she introduced herself and I'm gonna leave
her name out of this so I don't embarrass her
for privacy reasons. And my wife walked over and asked,

(02:11):
for who's this. I told her, you know, this is
such and such. She's a listener of Hibely horror stores. See,
oh that's wonderful. She's just glad to meet you. Blah
blah blah. And we got to talking some more and
she's like, well, how long have you been listening to
Hibly Horror stories. I thought I actually be listening for

(02:33):
quite a while. And I never told her who I was.
So for the young lady in the Atlanta, Georgia Airports, surprise,
that was me. But it is always nice too to
meet the fans of Hilly horror stories and of Solo

(02:56):
and Heallly horror House and pas enjoy talking to you guys.
So if you ever see me, you recognize me, man,
don't be afraid to come up. I don't bite. I'm
a person just like you. But we're gonna get right
into this. It is currently six thirty a m. On

(03:17):
Sunday morning, August seventeenth. Where has the months gone? But
I've got a lot to do today. As you can
imagine being away from the Howls for a week, you
gotta get an early start, right. So this week's episode

(03:40):
goes way back from June seventeenth, twenty seventeen, and on
this episode, Jerry and Tracy discussed the Heidi Rick story,
the strange disappearance of Christopher Tompkins, and just for a
little twist, Jerry and his son Alex discuss if Chris
Cornell would killed by the Lemonadi and then last but

(04:03):
definitely not least, an interview with the Man the Legend,
Jim Harold. Y'all kick back, prease and enjoy and remember
somewhere out there somebody misses you. Have a great day.

Speaker 3 (04:45):
It's about to be your fun ride follow in law
watch as we slide heavy normal, just hit the lights,
goose bumps all through the night, mixing just a little
bit of twains that girls show can't do a thing together.
He's gonna win things. That's so hard and at your
brains you won't ever changed.

Speaker 4 (05:01):
He's doo here.

Speaker 3 (05:02):
He got the recipe. Sand on back and listen and
does some of the talk his history day.

Speaker 4 (05:07):
Welcome, do you building horror stories? And yours and they're gold.

Speaker 5 (05:17):
Minju Hi, this is Lily from Apostle, Texas and you're
listening to Jerry and Tracy.

Speaker 2 (05:28):
On Hillbilly Harror Stories.

Speaker 5 (05:30):
Let's call punch someone in the face.

Speaker 4 (05:32):
All right, and welcome everybody to episode forty five of
Hillbilly Horror Stories. Thank you, Lily Ordoniez for the nice
little show intro and what she terms a tracyism.

Speaker 6 (05:44):
Oh my gosh, that was amazing. I really loved that.
That was awesome. Thank you for doing that.

Speaker 4 (05:49):
She actually suggested that we take your little tracyisms, as
she calls them, and put them on T shirts.

Speaker 6 (05:55):
That would be That would be cool. I could go
with that.

Speaker 7 (05:58):
You know.

Speaker 4 (06:00):
Actually, we did the show last week and somehow another
I don't know how, but I did not mention this,
but last Saturday, our little show thanks to you, guys,
was the actual number one ranked paranormal show on iTunes.

Speaker 6 (06:15):
How crazy is that?

Speaker 4 (06:17):
How crazy is the fact that I forgot all about it?
One of the biggest, biggest accomplishment we've had with the
whole show and.

Speaker 6 (06:23):
Guys rock, thank you so much.

Speaker 4 (06:25):
Yeah, last week was a huge week for the show.
We did ten thousand downloads for in a week. For
the first time, we did a record number of listens
for the show that was just released with the girls
from and that's why we drink so very happy for them.
I'm sure they helped a little bit. Had the show
with Campfires was on Jim Harold's Campfire that helped us

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out tremendously. And at the end of this show, I've
actually got an interview with Jim Harold that he was
so gracious to give me. So Yeah, last week was
phenomenal and this week is already shaping up to be
a better week. And we owe a lot of gratitude
to you.

Speaker 6 (07:00):
We owe all the gratitude to you guys because you
keep us going and we really appreciate you guys. I mean,
I don't know, I just every week I just get
so and I don't even want to. I guess I
can say emotional because I just feel like it's just
so awesome that you guys really enjoy the show and

(07:20):
it just really makes us feel great about it and
we just can't wait to get to the next show.

Speaker 4 (07:25):
You guys will be listening to this on Father's Day
when it comes out, or at least that's when it
comes out. You might listen to it on Wednesday, but
either way, Happy Father's Day to father's out there.

Speaker 6 (07:34):
Luppy Father's Day, I love my daddy.

Speaker 4 (07:36):
Happy Father's Day to all the single mothers out there.

Speaker 6 (07:40):
Absolutely, and obviously we.

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Want to give the big shout out to all of
our military and civil servants all over the world. Thank
you guys so much for keeping us safe and letting
us be able to do podcasts and stuff like that.

Speaker 6 (07:52):
Absolutely, in this crazy world that we're living in right now,
we really appreciate you guys, and God bless you.

Speaker 4 (08:00):
Quick just a shout out for our Patreon people. Robert
Burton is our only actually new one that has subscribed.

Speaker 6 (08:06):
In the past.

Speaker 4 (08:08):
We did release the the True Crime slash Paranormal bonus episode,
which we got pretty awesome feedback on, so I'm glad
you guys actually liked that.

Speaker 6 (08:17):
That was fine.

Speaker 4 (08:18):
If you do, you know, want to pick up on
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for Patreon. It's I think it's five dollars a month
for that one and you get two extra episodes. So that's
how you can do that real quick. So we had
a boatload of iTunes reviews, more iTunes reviews than we've
ever had in a week, so we'll just breeze through
on Freezer Guy. We had Bad Chess, which is actually

(08:38):
a fellow Kentuckian. Thank you, sir, Jennifer de Wald, d
H Taylor, Rework, rob aby Lynn Smith, OSU Girl Ry
Guy uh Nerds with Words. That's actually another podcast. I
just started listening to them. Guys are pretty awesome. Give
them a listen to. But they were nice enough to
tell us they were fans of the show. Review Lutz

(09:00):
and Ice Fox me. I don't know if it's am
I like in Michigan or but thank you guys so
much for after interviews. As we've said a thousand times before,
that really helps us. It helps people find us and
things like that contribute to our record week.

Speaker 6 (09:15):
Thee Yeah, we really appreciate it. Thank you.

Speaker 4 (09:17):
So what we're gonna do is, you know, we've done
some real stories behind the movies in the past, and
we're actually going to do the same thing tonight. One
of the stories we're gonna do, We've got two one
is actually the true story, not the complete true story,
because some of us realsim and wouldn't behind what I

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think is the stupidest name horror movie of all time?

Speaker 6 (09:40):
Is that a word?

Speaker 4 (09:42):
Stupidest?

Speaker 6 (09:42):
Yeah? Okay, how about more stupid? Does that even make sense?

Speaker 4 (09:47):
I don't know. Okay, it's all the same either way.
The movie is called a Haunting in Connecticut too, ghost
of Georgia. What the hell are you gonna name it
a hunting in Connecticut? Two? And it has nothing to
do with Connecticut.

Speaker 6 (09:59):
Oh, I don't know.

Speaker 4 (10:00):
Well, they were trying to play Haunting in Connecticut was
so big. I guess they're trying to play off the name. Oh,
but it really so, it's a haunting in Connecticut too,
Ghosts of Georgia. I don't know why. It just wasn't
haunting in Georgia regardless.

Speaker 6 (10:13):
Well, they must have been feeling freaky that day or something.

Speaker 4 (10:15):
But that story most of that story involves the Wireck family,
and we're going to tell you that story. So if
you've seen the movie, you'll you'll know some of what
we're talking about. If not, it's still a pret damn
cool story. The second story we're going to talk about
happens in the same town. This is a little town
outside of Columbus, Georgia. It's called Ellerslie, Georgia. But there's

(10:37):
two kind of remarkable incidents that happened that kind of
maybe have a paranormal time, maybe not. And we're going
to tell you about both of those. And then, like
I said, we're going to end the show with my
interview with Jim Harold. If you've ever listened to Jim Harold,
you know he's kind of how can I say this politely,
He's a very nice guy, but he doesn't really let

(10:57):
it all hang out too much on his shows. He's
very professional and very very news like we'll say, yeah,
and I got him to open up a little bit
and laugh and joke, and I think you'll enjoy the
interview we did would help, so pay attention to that.
So let's go ahead and jump into this. Ghosts of
Georgia is what I've titled this one mainly because that's

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what the movie was called. This takes place in nineteen
eighty nine Ellerslie, Georgia. It's Lisa and Andrew Wirick. They
actually move into this house with their three year old daughter, Heidi. Now,
not too long after they move in, Heidie starts claiming
that she starts seeing this older man named mister Gordy.

(11:41):
Now mister Gordy. According to Heidi, he wore a suit,
a tie, he had gray hair, and shiny black shoes.
For this is coming from a three year old. Heidi
would be often seen, like in the backyard when her
mom would be looking out the window as if she
was talking to some but she would also kind of

(12:01):
like have be walking along with like her hand semi
in the air, as if she was just she's holding
somebody's hand, but obviously you couldn't see anybody. And then
when her mom would hear her talking to people or whoever,
there was never any response back. So the obvious assumption
was she had an imaginary friend. Yeah, and we've discussed
this before. My opinion, and that's all, this is my opinion.

(12:24):
I personally think any kids that have imaginary friends I
think they're talking to spirits.

Speaker 6 (12:29):
Yeah, I agree.

Speaker 4 (12:31):
But anyway, so when it comes to this mister Gordy,
she said that, and this is in later years, this
wasn't when she was three, but she said mister Gordy
actually helped her learn how to ride a bike and
he would push her on the swing. So these are
some of the occurrences that she had with mister Gordy.

Speaker 6 (12:51):
Well, good for that, and he was fun.

Speaker 4 (12:53):
Right at one point, as it got a little later in,
mister Gordy actually told her that there was money buried
in the backyard that had been there for a very
long time. And they actually did go out to a
point in the yard and they dug up and found
like an old cloth bag full of coins.

Speaker 6 (13:11):
Oh wow.

Speaker 4 (13:13):
So it's like, you know, I don't know if his
dollar coins or gold coins or whatever, but that actually
was back there. Now we'll wait.

Speaker 6 (13:19):
Then, So I guess the parents had to believer then,
I mean, right while I was she at that time.

Speaker 4 (13:23):
Well, that kind of happened a little after the fact,
but there was something that sparked their belief in her.
Lisa's sister actually moved into the house right next door
to him and they started having these you know, occurrences
more and more with mister Gordy, which they still didn't
really worry about. But then something happened to kind of

(13:46):
put a panic into the family. There was a knock
at the door. How do he went and answered the door?
There was a man standing there. He had white hair,
he had a white T shirt on. His shirt was
covered in blood and one of his hands was bandaged
up and it was bleeding.

Speaker 6 (14:03):
No dang.

Speaker 4 (14:04):
So after she told her parents about that, they obviously
felt like she was trying to be abducted in a while,
would somebody be at the door like that? So they
go scounging around the neighborhood, right, and they're trying to
find out, you know, they're asking everybody. They're giving the
description of this guy. Now, this guy when he came
to Heide, he told her his name was Khan, and

(14:26):
so that's what she told them. So they're going around
looking for con. Now they assume that this mister Gordy
she's always talking about and this con are the same person.
So they're asking all around the neighborhood, is there a
con Gordy, to which they're finding absolutely nothing. But like
I said, her sister moves in next door. And when
they mentioned this Gordy, she says, well, she could check

(14:49):
with the people who used to own the house, which
was Catherine Leadford, because she had lived there for apparently
a long time, so her family owned it for a
long time, so maybe she would know.

Speaker 2 (14:58):
Well.

Speaker 4 (14:58):
It was then, after talking to miss Leadford, that she
showed them the deed from where she got the house,
and she had bought it from a James Gordy.

Speaker 2 (15:08):
Oh.

Speaker 4 (15:09):
Interesting, now she knew James Gordy. She didn't have any
pictures of him or anything, but she did confirm that
he was a big real estate broker, He owned a
bunch of real estate in Columbus, in the whole area.
He owned a lot of that area where they lived
right now at one point, and that he also was

(15:29):
a Sunday school teacher at the church right up the road.
And the funny thing about it is the description at
Heidi had given of him, of the suit and the
tie and the black shiny and the white hairlight that
fit perfectly to what she remembered him as being a kid.
Probably the most important thing to take out of everything

(15:51):
that she told them was that mister Gordy died in
nineteen seventy four. So then she said, and she pulled
out some family photos that she had, you know, Catherine
Leedford's family, and they spread him out and let Heidi
look through them. Well, when Heidi got through looking through him,
she picked one out and she said, that's Con.

Speaker 6 (16:13):
Oh, get out, and.

Speaker 4 (16:16):
To which Miss Leadford said, that was her uncle. But
his name wasn't Con. My voice cracked.

Speaker 6 (16:23):
It's okay, you're going through Pewardy.

Speaker 4 (16:26):
Right, but she said his name wasn't Con. It was
actually Lawn Lon Bachelor.

Speaker 6 (16:32):
Oh, so she just heard it wrong.

Speaker 4 (16:34):
Then, yeah, she heard it wrong. And apparently Lon Bachelor.
He actually died in nineteen fifty seven of cancer. But
when he was about twenty years old, he had an
accident where his hand was basically mangled or cut off
in a cotton gin accident.

Speaker 6 (16:49):
Oh my gosh. So that was him that came to
the door.

Speaker 4 (16:51):
That was him that came to the door. Now, over
the next four years she continued to see mister Gordy
and Khan, but they were pretty much harmed. It was
no big deal. The problem was in nineteen ninety three,
Lisa became pregnant her mom, and it was then that
something evil kind of showed up. Now, Heidi was watching

(17:13):
TV one day while mom Lisa was out in the
garden doing something and she hears Heidie's scream. She comes
in there and Heidi, who she don't get scared of anything.
She's used to seeing these things now and it's just,
you know, none of these things ever scared her. But
she saw a black shadow figure in the hallway and
it terrified her. Oh with me too, right, and Lisa

(17:36):
and Andrew, the dad, they just kind of sit and discussed,
you know, possibly moving, but then they were like, if
she's seeing all these things, it doesn't matter where you're
going to move to. It's not the house. It's she's
just seeing these figures and it doesn't matter where she goes.
So they decided to stay there. Well. In February nineteen
ninety four, February third, matter of fact, Heidie's little baby sister, Jordan,

(17:59):
was born. About two weeks later, Heidi wakes up one
morning She's got these deep like scratches type gashes going
down her face. And the dad, Mom, they just kind
of figured that, you know, she's probably scratched herself while
she was sleeping or something like that. So they didn't
really think a whole lot of it.

Speaker 6 (18:16):
Okay, that just sounds dumb.

Speaker 4 (18:18):
When people kids, babies and kids and stuff scratched their
face all the time.

Speaker 6 (18:21):
Yeah, but that noticeable, that's like really bad.

Speaker 4 (18:25):
Well, it became a lot more noticeable after the fact,
because then what happened is is Andrew then started having
some situations, like two nights later, he woke up and
he had these three claw marks right down his side,
and then you know, he believed it was whatever entity

(18:46):
that she had seen in the hallway. That's what he
thought it happened. So then the next night he wakes
up and he's got claw marks down his back, and
then it happened again the next night with claw marks
on his chest. But it ended up being four nights
in a row.

Speaker 6 (19:01):
Can you imagine? Now, I wonder why they didn't feel
it while they were asleep, though, why do you I
want to boil.

Speaker 4 (19:08):
I'm sure that they don't mean he woke up in
the morning. I mean, I'm sure that meant when he
woke up because it woke him up.

Speaker 6 (19:14):
Oh well, I guess that makes sense today.

Speaker 4 (19:16):
So the wires called up this pretty pretty well known parapsychologist,
doctor William Row to investigate the situation. And here's what
he said. He said she came up with physical descriptions
and names that she could not have obtained any other way.
So that made him interested in the case. And what

(19:40):
he did was contacted mister Gordy's daughter and he got
some pictures. He mixed them in with some pictures of
his own family, and he brings them out and he
spreads them out. She picked out mister Gordy and said, hey,
that's him. That's mister Gordy right there. Keep in mind,
this is twice that she's done that now, because she
did the same thing with con Yeah, now, Heidi. Over

(20:02):
the years, she saw several different spirits. She used to
see Native Americans walking around in the street. And it
come to find out this actually was an area that
was you know a lot of Native American burial grounds
and stuff like that from the Creek Indians back in
the day. And we'll get into them more on our
second story, but so you know, there was a chance

(20:25):
to it. And no, let's go back a little bit to
the movie. The movie actually shows a lot of these things.
It shows them finding the money, It shows mister Gordy,
it shows con and all these things happening. But then
it kind of ends with some kind of ideal with
the underground railroad, with slaves disappearing and on the property,
and I guess a slave owner actually killing them and

(20:49):
mistreating them and all that stuff. That's not actually part
of the That was part of the movie, but that's
not part of what actually happened at the story was
based on. So I don't know where they got that
part of it from to make that clear. But she
said she saw a bunch of different people and visions
through the house. She saw a little girl that she
said reminder of one of the little girls off the

(21:09):
little house in a prairie, and then she saw the Indian.
She even saw animals. So it's pretty cool now, Heidi,
she's all grown up. She's like twenty four years old.
She's in the medical profession, and she's got a family
all of her own, and she really doesn't live that
far away. Unfortunately, her dad died in twenty twelve and
he was only forty five years old.

Speaker 6 (21:28):
Oh my gosh, So I mean, do we know why
he died.

Speaker 2 (21:32):
No?

Speaker 6 (21:32):
Oh, that's so sad.

Speaker 4 (21:34):
I'm assuming his heart stops. That's how about that while
most people die, So I don't have any answers on
that one.

Speaker 6 (21:41):
Well, that's sad, that's so young.

Speaker 4 (21:43):
Yeah, it's actually it is pretty sad. But that's kind
of a cool story for a little girl.

Speaker 2 (21:48):
Now.

Speaker 4 (21:48):
She said she hasn't seen mister Gordy in years. She
still sees sis. He sees so many spirits now that
it doesn't even bother She even sees the Dark Entity
all the time. But she said she just don't want
to bothering. She said it's funny because she can tell
if a spirit is evil, if it's benevolent. And she said,
but you'd be surprised how you feel when you come

(22:10):
across something that's evil. She said, it's just it can
physically just make you sick to your stomach.

Speaker 6 (22:15):
I was going to say, so that the dark Entity
doesn't do anything to her, apparently not.

Speaker 4 (22:20):
She just you know, she said.

Speaker 6 (22:21):
She just ignores with the rest of them.

Speaker 4 (22:23):
I guess all right. I got a little bit of
a twist for you guys today. Because of his Father's Day,
I thought I would bring my youngest son, Alex in
to do a story with me instead of Tracy on
this one, and he's kind of a music freak as
am I. So I thought it would be cool to
do a little Chris Cornell story that there's some talk
out there that his suicide could very well be part

(22:46):
of the Illuminati, and I thought it would be kind
of a, you know, cool story to bounce around. Not
saying that I one hundred percent believe in this by
any means, but it's still a pretty cool story to
talk about on this show. So, Alex, I'm glad to
have you here today. Are you ready to get into
some conversation about Chris Cornell. Yeah, let's get started, all right.
So we're gonna jump right into it. The first and foremost,

(23:08):
there's a lot of numerologists out there, and I'm not
into the numerology thing. I don't really even know how
it works. I'm not gonna lie to you, but it's
like you take this letter and this word and you
ed it up and it's this number of letters and
this number of equals that, like I said, I don't
understand how it works. I'm not even gonna pretend. But
the last show that Chris Cornell did was at the
Fox Theater in Detroit and Fox according to numerologist, is

(23:30):
six sixty six. So there's the first thing came out.
They said that they thought it was very suspicious that
the suicide was already listed less than six hours after
it happened, when normally there would be an investigation. So
they're saying that. When I say there, I'm talking about
these Illuminati conspirast conspiracy theorists that he was a more

(23:54):
or less a ritual sacrifice from the Illuminatis. I mean,
are you into the illuminatis at all? Do you believe
in anything to do with the Illuminatis?

Speaker 8 (24:03):
There are some things that make sense about it, but
there's a lot of things that just it seems like
people are just looking for connections that aren't there.

Speaker 4 (24:09):
I mean, are you in general, not necessarily considering, you know,
concerning his death. Do you believe in that there is
an Illuminati? Do you believe in like these the Freemasons
and Satan worshipers and all these secret societies. Do you
believe that there's ulterior motives?

Speaker 8 (24:24):
I would like to believe it, but I just don't
see it.

Speaker 4 (24:27):
Okay, well, good, that should make for a fun conversation. So,
like I said, some people believe that these people that
are high up in the music and celebrities and some
of these bigger name people, they all are tied in
with the Illuminati. They've sold their soul to the devil.
They're remember the secret societies. And then when these things happen,

(24:47):
it's basically pond off as a suicide or a drug
overdose or something, because they think that most people then
will lean lean a little more towards the feeling sorry
for the person instead of jumping into asking questions about, well,
why did this happen? That doesn't make sense? How about this?
What about this timeline? And that's kind of what's going

(25:07):
on here, And like you said, people kind of look
for links as to how to tie it together. One
of the links they said that his very last song
that he performed at Detroit that night was a Led
Zeppelin cover song in My Time of Dying. And what
they thought was funny about this was an encore and
normally when you come out and do your last song

(25:29):
as an encore, you usually do one of your most
popular songs, So somebody would expect them to do something
like spoon Man or Black Hole Sun or something like that,
but instead he did a Led Zeppelin cover song that's
not really even one of led Zeppelin's biggest songs, and
in that song, some of the lyrics say, in my
time of dying, I don't want no one to mourn.

(25:51):
All I want is for you to take my body home.
What's your thoughts on that. I know you said you've
seen concerts before where they don't do a very big
song as the last song.

Speaker 8 (26:00):
Yeah, I mean, from my opinion, they get bored playing
there on songs. If you go out and you just
play hit after hit after hit, and then you go
out and do the encore and it's gonna be another hit,
I think it's hard to pretend to still have that
same enthusiasm as you did years ago when you first
made the song. So I think a lot of the times,
if you're gonna come out and do a song, you're
gonna do one that's more close to you by that point,
something that you can still have a motion about.

Speaker 4 (26:21):
I think probably the grunge bands were really kind of
into that anyway. I saw Alison Chains open up for
Kiss when they really first came out, and their hit
song obviously was Mann in the Box and it hadn't
been out for very long, maybe a couple of months,
and when they came out and performed it, I can
remember Staley just coming out and saying, Oh, it's our

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we now we have to do the obligatory hit. And
it's almost like they dreaded doing the song and it
was still brand new to them and the only hit
that they had, right, so I guess I can kind
of see where that's coming from. They also pointing to
the last song that they say that he ever wrote
was The Promise, and the whole thing about the promises said,

(27:08):
the promise I made, no matter the price, basically, promise
needs to be kept, and they start pointing to that,
showing links to secret societies and making promises. We've discussed
in this show with like the Freemasons and stuff. You
get in and it's like, once you're in, you're in
for life. Do you know anything about secret societies or

(27:32):
the Freemasons? Do you have any opinion at all on
these things? Especially you know on the big one, probably scientology,
that's probably the biggest one out that people kind of
link in the same category.

Speaker 8 (27:43):
The only thing I know about any of the Illuminati
or the Freemasons or any of that stuff, is just
from what I've listened to on the show, so I
don't really dive too deep into it. I think a
lot of it is just bs.

Speaker 4 (27:52):
So you probably have heard nothing. And since you've rarely
listened to the show.

Speaker 8 (27:56):
I've listened up enough to get to the freemasons.

Speaker 4 (27:59):
Okay, So when we talk about the ritual killings in
these illuminatis, this is where everybody talks about this. Whenever
somebody dies, all these things always happen in threes. And
that's what these conspiracy theorists on the Illuminati, they always
bring up that these things always happen in threes, and
that's the reason. And I don't remember his name, but
the head of Fox, the former head of Fox, actually

(28:21):
died the exact same day as Chris Cornell. But they
point out, you know, you had David Bowie and the
Doris Roberts from Everybody Loves Raymond and somebody else I
think it was Kerrie Fisher all died roughly at the
same time, and you had Prince and all the other
ones that these big people, and they you know, like
I said, Robin Williams and all them, they're all supposedly

(28:43):
Illuminati offerings. So to speak, but you know, when you
start talking about somebody like Chris Cornell, they said that
the first thing they want to do is start to
cover up. So all of a sudden, the guy and
it was very suspicious on how he died anyway, because
supposedly they said they he hung himself, but they found

(29:04):
his body on the floor of the bathroom, so they
immediately just sounds funny to begin with, if you hang yourself,
how are you on the floor.

Speaker 8 (29:10):
Yeah, and that was that was something that got me too.
And as soon as I saw that report come out,
I started looking into this every day seeing what new information,
because that didn't make sense that they could just immediately
come out with that information. I read an article probably
the very next day explaining a little bit more in depth,
saying that the police were about to start an investigation
on it, but it was already ruled a suicide.

Speaker 4 (29:27):
Yeah. So that's and that's where the conspiracy theorists come in.
They're like, you know, how can they automatically rule this
as a suicide, because you know, it could be very
easy for somebody to kill somebody make it look like
a suicide, and it would least take some kind of
effort to determine between the two. And then you know,
like they said, they that, well, they automatically start putting
this out almost like it's propaganda to get people off

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of the track, that it could be some kind of
a hit or some kind of a you know, an
Illuminati sacrifice. And then they said that it was kind
of like you know, when you start looking at the
other stuff, everything kind of contradicted him committing suicide. Supposedly
he was cleaning sober. His wife had came out and
said that they were already planning this trip for Memorial

(30:11):
Day and had all this work out, which was only
you know, two weeks later. You know, why would somebody
be planning a trip and be talking about it just
a day or two before. If you were going to
kill yourself, how do you go from a concert when
you're out there with all these people cheering and everything,
and you go back to your hotel within a couple
of hours you kill yourself. I mean, you know, of course,
there's also the somebody's tossed out that it could be

(30:34):
the autoerotic asphyxiation. That's what David Carridine died from the
guy who was in kung fu and for those of
you who don't know, that's where supposedly you kind of
choke yourself a little bit with a belt or something
while you, you know, masturbate, and it's supposed to just give
you like the ultimate orgasm or whatever the deal is.
And some people are saying that may be what happened,

(30:56):
because correct me if I'm wrong. But supposedly he used
like a piece of exercise tubing, one of those stretch bands,
and he tied a knot in it, and he put
it through the door, closed the door, and he used
that to tie around his neck. So I mean, I mean,
maybe that would kind of make sense that something more

(31:17):
I would believe that happened, more than I would have suicide,
that it would be an accidental death.

Speaker 8 (31:23):
Well, it's hard for me to say, because I've looked
at all of the articles as they've been coming out,
trying to figure it all out. And like we were saying,
at first, it really didn't make sense the way they
were going into it. But the more you listen to
his wife's statements and he being recovered and sober supposedly,
but he still struggles with pills, and from what I
had heard, he was supposed to be getting them handed
to him from his bodyguard. But I'd also read something
where he said he'd taken too many of them that night,

(31:45):
telling his wife that he was just tired that day,
it just didn't feel right. And then it wasn't like
thirty minutes later. They had their security guard go check
on him and that's when they found him.

Speaker 4 (31:53):
Yeah, because supposedly he was taking that anti anxiety medicine
whatever it was, and he said that I heard the
same thing that he had told her that he had
taken a couple of them, So maybe he was just
feeling super anxious or something like that. One of the
other things that people point out is they're always talking
about the signs that people give. We talked about the

(32:15):
Ninja gets so excited when we start talking about the Illuminati.
So but they were talking about, you know, giving the
devil horns and on all those different signs of the Illuminati.
And we had a situation to where with him. He
had one of his album covers, which was The Higher Truth,
oddly enough, and it's got basically a picture of like

(32:36):
a pyramid and the AFC and I on top. Now,
it's not as as cut and dry like the pyramid
and the Assin and I on the back of the
dollar bill. But it is the same kind of symbolology,
if that's even a word that we're used to seeing,
you know, from the old Alistair Crowley days on a
lot of these different album covers and just some of
the garments and stuff some of these performers were on stage.

(32:59):
So you know, what do you think, Alex about the whole, uh,
the thing with the symbolism. And I know you've talked
about that. They showed some pictures and stuff of him
supposedly with some symbols, but what was your take on that.

Speaker 8 (33:13):
I mean those things, Like I said, I think they're
just looking for a stretch. And if you're playing guitar
on stage or at home, wherever you're playing guitar, you
always know that you're holding the pick between your index
finger and your thumb. You've only got really two things
you can do with your fingers at that point. You
can either squeeze them together and risk hitting the strings
with your fingers, or you can hold them out where
you've got a little bit more space in between the
strings in your hands. So I think, like I said,

(33:34):
I think they're just looking for a little bit of
a stretch on it.

Speaker 4 (33:36):
And what you're talking about there, obviously is them showing
the when you do the the zero and the three
fingers out, that's the symbolism of the six six six, right,
And that's what they were talking about, you know, showing
pictures of him doing that. But like you said, if
you're holding a guitar pick between those your your thumb
and index finger, you know, you either got to make
that sign or you got to you know, clench your

(33:56):
fist and really not going to make much of a point.
So would that being said, were you a Chris Cornell fan?

Speaker 6 (34:02):
Oh?

Speaker 8 (34:02):
I was a huge Chris Cornell fan.

Speaker 4 (34:04):
So do you like the older stuff with Soundgarden or
do you like Audio Slave more or you just kind
of like the whole catalog.

Speaker 8 (34:11):
I was definitely more into Soundgarden, but I mean it
took me a little while to actually start listening to
Audio Slave, and then I started actually getting into more
recently his just his single stuff, just Chris Cornell, but
audio Slave is more secondary. I thought his Chris Cornell
stuff got a little bit softer, was a little bit
more out of my range. Soundgarden was definitely my biggest
side of him.

Speaker 4 (34:30):
Do you not like the acoustic stuff.

Speaker 8 (34:32):
I don't have a problem with it, but it just
seemed like it wasn't as well written to me.

Speaker 4 (34:39):
Fair enough, all right, guys, we wanted to thank you,
and like I said, we'll get back to our regular
programming what you're used to. But I thought it'd be
cool to do this, and with him being a huge
music fan, I thought it'd be the perfect story to do.
That was really cool to do. But before we get
into our third story of the night, I wanted to
remind people that they can go to our website he'll
Billy horror stories dot com, where you can get your

(35:00):
T shirts and we've been selling a lot of them.
Thank you guys so much. And remember, if you've got
a T shirt and you haven't sent us a picture yet,
send us a picture and we'll throw it up on
the website and show everybody what you look like in
your fancy new duds.

Speaker 6 (35:13):
Yeah, that'd be great. We'd love to see you.

Speaker 4 (35:15):
Also Patreon, I'll just breeze through this one more time.
You got several different levels if you want to support
the show financially over the course of monthly donations, they
take it out in the first of every month. They
have four levels on ours a dollar, three dollars, five dollars,
and ten dollars, and the three dollar one gets you

(35:37):
a bonus episode every month, and it also gets you
a chance to win a free T shirt. Everybody gets
a chance to win a free T shirt every month,
even the dollar any level and the five dollars you
actually get a ten percent discount on any T shirts.
You also get two bonus episodes. You get our first one,
which is the Listener's Stories episode. That's the one that's

(35:59):
released on the first and on the fifteenth. We do
pretty much a regular show, like this past week, we
did a true crime story, we did a paranormal story,
and then we had one that was kind of a
true crime slash paranormal mixed together with the Wabashot Street caves.
And like I said, a lot of people really liked it.
So the people who got to hear it, they said

(36:21):
they definitely wanted to hear more of it. So I
wish we actually could have released that as a regular
show because I felt like it was so good that
I want everybody to be able to hear it. But
you know, if these guys are supporting us financially. They
deserve as good as we can possibly put out, and
that's what we did. So we're glad that they actually
appreciate it what we did for them.

Speaker 6 (36:40):
Yes, very happy.

Speaker 4 (36:41):
Let's get into this next story because I think this
is super fascinating and I wish I had a lot
more information on it, but there's really not a lot
of information out there. This is a story of Christopher Tompkins.
He was a twenty year old man. Has happened January
twenty fifth of two thousand and two. He left his
house about eight ten in the morning. He was one
of four surveyors that were actually on the location right

(37:02):
outside of Highway eighty five in Ellerslie, Georgia. This is
kind of like a little small wooded area and that's
going to come into play a little bit as we
get a little further into the story. But three of
the co workers and Christopher were working. They were all
like fifty feet apart from each other, so that's not
very far now. They were constantly in communication and Christopher
was the last one in line of the four people,

(37:26):
and he was communicating with his coworker that was right
in front of him for a long period of time,
and then the coworker really hadn't heard anything from him
for a little bit, so he turns around and looks
and there was nobody back there. So then about one
o'clock in the afternoon, this coworker calls his wife and
he says, you know, he's just telling him. He's like,
you know, we had this the guy that was working

(37:47):
with me, he just disappeared and he was nowhere to
be found. And after that, you know, the parents obviously
were informed that, hey, your son just disappeared off the
work site. And she called PULL to filew missing persons
report and they won't allow you to FILEW missing persons
report for twenty four hours. So she decides that her
and her family are going to put their own little

(38:08):
search party together, and they go out there and they
start looking around. What they found was was at a
nearby fence. They found one of Christopher's boots, some of
his tools twelve cents on the ground change, and some
of his fabric from his blue pants were on the
barbed wire fence. Now, they eventually found his other boot
about nine hundred yards away, and that was found by

(38:28):
the guy that owns the property. But that was a
couple of months later. Oh wow, the evidence points towards
Christopher being grabbed and lifted out of his boots with
an incredible force, drug approximately nine hundred feet. For that
other boot to be there, it's like in order for
the tools and everything to be there right there in
the spot, It's almost like something just snatched and just

(38:51):
yanked him right out of his shoes and then drug
him straight through the barbed wire fence, which would have
caused the other pants to rip, the pants to be
on again.

Speaker 6 (38:59):
That's so crazy.

Speaker 4 (39:00):
Now, the question is what or who is capable of
lifting one hundred and thirty pound man completely out of
his boots and dragon him nine hundred yards. There was
no foul play, according to police who did the investigation.
They didn't suspect any anyway, and most assumed that he
just walked off the job. But he's never been heard
from since then.

Speaker 6 (39:19):
Just that fast, he was gone.

Speaker 4 (39:21):
Just that fast, he was gone and never heard from again.
Some people say that a possible answer could be some
folklore from the area. Like I said in the previous story,
this area has several Indian barrier ground so there's bones
that are found on a regular basis, and the Creek
Indians who lived there for hundreds of years were kind
of duped out of their land by land surveyors years

(39:44):
and years ago. Land surveyors kind of illegally obtained the
land from the Creek Indians. They kind of purposely moved
in some white people and then kind of started a
little conflict between them, hoping that the white people would
just basically kill off or capture the Creek Indians and
then get rid of them and then the land would

(40:04):
be theirs. A lot like the whole premise behind Blazing
saddles when you think about it, and at this time
it just wasn't a black sheriff, but same premise. Some
people think that they're really into this. There's a thing
called Windigoes. Now, wind to Go is an evil spirit
or a monster that's a cannibal according to Indian folklore.

(40:29):
The problem is where this happened at in Georgia. It's
not really a story down there. It's because this is
more of an Algonquin story that's more up towards Canada
and the Great Lakes area, So it really doesn't make sense.
But from a standpoint of what the wind to Go
legend is of how they would just grab and eat

(40:50):
people and take off, and it was supposed to be
these huge monsters or spirits. Then it kind of made sense.

Speaker 6 (40:56):
Yeah, but that's kind of rude.

Speaker 4 (41:00):
The The funny thing is, you know, there's some things
that could kind of tie into this that really doesn't
get talked about, or doesn't that's bad English, it's really
don't get talked about. I'm correcting myself on this one.
But think about this. There's been several missing persons reports,

(41:23):
a lot of them around wooded areas or the National
park System. There's a bunch of stuff out there. You
can check out a site called Missing four one one
and they'd actually do a whole documentation on these things.
But there's several people reported missing that do actually turn
back up. In every case of these ones that turn

(41:43):
back up, they're missing their shoes and they're usually in
some kind of bright clothing, really bright clothing. Now think
about it. This guy was a land surveyor, right, yep,
what do typical like land surveyors typically.

Speaker 6 (41:57):
Wear well bright so you can see him on the road.

Speaker 4 (42:01):
They typically would have a bright orange vest. And when
the Georgia Bureau of Investigation actually listed what he was wearing.
They didn't list an orange vests, which doesn't really make sense.
I mean, did he not have it on? Was he
not wearing it that day? Did he have it on?
They just didn't list it. But these guys should have
been suited with these orange vests, which would have made

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him kind of fit into some of these other categories
of people that were missing and came back that didn't
have their shoes and were wearing bright colors. Matter of
factor is a guy named Alan Lammer. He wrote in
a recent article about in the jungles of Indonesia, the
locals actually warn about abductions in the jungle if you

(42:44):
wear bright colors like yellow, And some of these people
are returned and they have absolutely no memory of what happened.
How cool is that?

Speaker 6 (42:54):
That's very cool.

Speaker 4 (42:55):
So that is actually our stories on Christopher Tompkins and
the Warwick family, so a little bit of Georgia knowledge
going on there.

Speaker 6 (43:07):
It's so interesting that that the one family with the
girl that grew up with all that. You know, what,
was she twenty four? So I wonder if that's going
to follow her the rest of her life?

Speaker 4 (43:17):
You think, well, I mean, if she's still got it.
I mean, she's been seeing things since she was three
years old. I don't see what wouldn't.

Speaker 6 (43:22):
I wonder how she makes herself though, not be scared
of that. I mean, I mean, if some of them
are nice, I get it. But still the I think
the evil thing would kind of make me kind of
hesitant because you maybe you never know what he's going to.

Speaker 4 (43:35):
Turn or I meantime, I would assume that you just
get used to things, just like anything else. Yeah, I mean,
how did morticians become morticians? That's true that most people
are creeped out by dead bodies where they see them
so much. You know, you look at doctors. There's so
many doctors that have so bad bedside mans. Yeah, and
it's just because they it's like they have no sympathy

(43:56):
or empathy for the family.

Speaker 6 (43:57):
It's not good that they.

Speaker 4 (43:58):
Can walk right into somebody who just lost the love. Well,
I'm sorry your husband expired. It's like so cold, and
it's just like but they see it's the same. They
see it so much. It's probably it just becomes second
nature to them, So I would think it would be
the same way with that.

Speaker 6 (44:11):
Yeah, but that's not good though, to just be so
nonchalant about stuff, especially like that. But it's like you said,
you've seen one of a jay, you've seen them all.

Speaker 4 (44:20):
Yep, that's like ninja. I mean, I can't tell you
how many mornings I wake up with him licking behind
my ear. At first it freaked me out, but now
it's like, hey, now I don't have to watch behind
my ear. That's right. Win when guys, we appreciate. That's
all we got for you this week. It's a little
bit of a shorter episode, but it's Father's Day weekend,
and we've had a thousand things going on, putting out

(44:42):
the bonus episode and everything, like we did, also have
some really cool stuff going on. Next week, We're going
to have an interview with a miss Katie Stewart. She's
an actress and a good friend of mine and Tracy's,
and she's gonna actually on got a couple of movies
that are just coming out, and she's actually working on one.
So I'm going to catch her as soon as she
gets through with that one and find out a little
bit of details about that. And then next week's episode,

(45:05):
it's going to be a really cool episode because it's
going to be on the Legend of Bogie Creek and Lee,
I'm not the biggest Bigfoot fan or it's one of
those things. It just doesn't really interest me a whole lot.
But this story has always been fascinating because it was
really the movie of the same name is what really
kicked off the Bigfoot fascination in America. Now that's you know,

(45:27):
went into everything else, and us living in Kentucky, there's
a lot of big Foot sightings actually here in Kentucky,
So we get a lot of people asking are we
going to do something on Bigfoot? And it's funny because
I set this up to do this probably three weeks ago,
and I've actually had one of our listeners so you
write us and say, hey, have we ever thought about
doing one on the Legend of Bogie Creek? And I
was like, well, you're in luck because it's next week.

(45:49):
But we appreciate it, and like I said, keeps some
of these suggestions because we're will look into it. I
had some actually send me something about Motley Crue and
that's something I'm going to research. I had I had
a listener send us something about Michael Jackson's album covers,
and at first I kind of dismissed it, but he
really puts a bunch of facts and pictures and stuff
like I don't know. That made me think, Man, there's
more to this than I thought, So I'm going to

(46:11):
dig into that. So I think that sounds like we
may have a rock and Roll in the Coach show
coming up sometime soon if I can put a few
more together.

Speaker 6 (46:18):
So sounds great.

Speaker 4 (46:19):
Oh, we've got a contest I forgot. We got one
more contest to do, and this is for hill Billy
Horror Show. I've got one more DVD to give away.
So what I want to do for this one is
I want to go back to episode thirty five, which
was the Lizzie bordon episode. We had a very special
guest on that show who talked about their time at

(46:40):
the Lizzie Borden House to an investigation. Who was that
special guest? And the first one who posts on our
Facebook wall or on Twitter that that answer will be
the one who wins it. So instead of just putting
it out on Facebook, whoever hears it here first and
just post it, You'll win the price and I'll get
in touch with you and we'll get it out to you.

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Thank you, guys, so much for such an awesome, awesome week.
Some of you have you even send us stuff in
the mail, and we greatly appreciate that. DJ Prowler, Tessa,
we would love you so much, and we run your
radio show, and we thank you so much for actually
making us some pretty cool key chains and writing us
a handwritten note and sending that to us. So thank

(47:21):
you so much for.

Speaker 6 (47:21):
Yeah, thank you, that's really cool. I love mine.

Speaker 4 (47:24):
Stay tuned for the Jim Harold interview and we will
see you guys next week. All right, And I want
to tell you guys right off the bat, We've got
a special guest. This is something I've wanted to do
for a long time. Being a paranormal podcaster, there's a
certain few people that you definitely look up to, and

(47:44):
at the pinnacle of that list is Jim Harold. I
had the pleasure of being on Jim Show a couple
of weeks ago. It was the highlight of my actual
time in doing this, and you know, I can't thank
him enough. So, without any further ado, I'd like to
bring on the Man, the Legend, Jim Harrold. Jim, how
are you doing today?

Speaker 7 (48:05):
I am doing well and certainly not a legend, but
I absolutely appreciate the sentiment and glad to be on
your show. Thanks for giving me the opportunity to talk
a little bit with you and your listeners.

Speaker 4 (48:18):
Well, I'll tell you what, Jim. I'm not one to
typically disagree or argue with my guests, but I would
say being a best selling supernatural author on Kendall and
being in a top two percent of all downloads with
twenty seven million downloads, I think that puts you in
legend category.

Speaker 2 (48:36):
Well, I won't argue with you, but that's very kind.

Speaker 4 (48:40):
Okay, So what I want to do here is I
think what's very cool about you and what sets you apart.
You got into this podcast game early, early in the game.
I mean, you've been doing this for over ten years,
and I saw a stat recently that said only about
forty percent of Americans have actually listened to a podcast.
I can't imagine what that number was ten years ago.

Speaker 7 (49:01):
Yeah, it was like four percent. It was very you know,
I remember when I first start. I started in two
thousand and five, and I really honestly started as a hobby.
I never thought it was going to turn out to
be my my full time job, which it's been for
about five years now. But I started as a hobby
and I would tell people and they'd look at me
a little funny, partially because of the topic subject matter,

(49:25):
and then partially what in the world is a podcast?
And and they kind of I think a lot of
people poo pooed it. You know, people you work with,
maybe friends. It's like it's a phase. You'll get over it.
You know this nobody will pay attention and nothing will
ever come up. But I mean, I hate to be
so negative, but that was kind of the way I
felt when I presented it.

Speaker 2 (49:44):
To people in my life.

Speaker 7 (49:46):
The only the only people that really I felt were
supportive were my wife and kids. And you know, there
was this time when they said podcasting was dead. I
don't know if you remember that, but I think two
thousand and five, two thousand and six, it was all
the rage and then it didn't immediately explode because it
was much harder to listen back then. Oh we had
to plug up a iPod or MP three player, sink.

(50:09):
It was really a pain. So that people. You know,
there are people who started listening to me in two
thousand and five who still listen to this day and
I got to tell you, I am ever so grateful
to those people because they really kind of made it
possible building an audience early on, and they've been with
me the whole time, and I really appreciate it.

Speaker 4 (50:28):
When I think you host approximately six hundred and seventy
four podcasts or somewhere along that line, it seems like
I know, I mean, I know, in all kidness said,
you know you've been doing this a long time. When
your main show's name is the Paranormal Podcast.

Speaker 7 (50:43):
There's a funny story behind that is And I think
you know you might ask you mentioned before we started
recording here, and you're going to ask me about some
keys to success, and one of them is just kind
of blind luck. Since I was first, one of the first,
not the first, but certainly one of the first. And
maybe I don't know if there's anybody who is still

(51:06):
doing it that's been doing it as long as I have.
In terms of podcasting, certainly there's been radio shows have
been on for decades, like Coast at Coast, But in
terms of podcasting, I think I've stuck with it pretty
much longer than anybody.

Speaker 2 (51:17):
In the in the paranormal realm. And when I started,
I'm like, well, what am I going to call this?

Speaker 7 (51:22):
Well, be about the paranormal, and well it's a podcast
and paranormal podcast.

Speaker 2 (51:27):
It's like, well, paranormal podcast.

Speaker 7 (51:29):
But I'm sure somebody's got that already and nobody did,
and I said, okay, well nobody else took it, I'm
going to take it. And I think that's been a
big key to success, just because if you search for
a paranormal podcast, who comes up number one? And so
that's kind of been a little bit of luck and
just starting really early, and that's something I'll be honest

(51:52):
with you, Jerry. If I started today, I don't know
if I could do what I did over again because
a lot of the advantage that I had was that
I was early, and I think I've always tried to
strive to bring a certain quality to all this. So
I think the combination because you know, people now you've.

Speaker 2 (52:10):
Got such great access to great.

Speaker 7 (52:11):
Equipment and a lot of big companies coming in and
all of this stuff. But back then, it was just
you know, people doing kind of the DIY thing, and
God bless them, and there were some great shows that continued.

Speaker 2 (52:23):
To this day.

Speaker 7 (52:25):
But I think trying to focus on quality early on,
even though I didn't have the best equipment. I think
it and the name it just kind of helped me
along a little bit.

Speaker 4 (52:34):
What was your background before you got into podcasts. Did
you have a radio background.

Speaker 7 (52:39):
Well, here's the funny thing. This was two thousand and five.
I was in my mid thirties and I'd gone to
school for broadcasting and had every intention to start working
out of college in the early nineties behind the micro
in front of the camera.

Speaker 2 (52:55):
I was actually more of a TV person. That was
what I studied in school.

Speaker 7 (52:58):
But then I ended up working in sales in radio
and advertising, and it was kind of fun. You got
to write copy and things. But then I looked up.
It was two thousand and five, at a mortgage, two
small children, married, And it's not like I could just
quit my job with benefits and all of that and say,
you know, I really want to be behind the mic.

(53:20):
It just was not plausible. I heard about this thing
called podcasting. I said, you know, I might not be
able to do it professionally, but damn it, you know,
excuse my language.

Speaker 2 (53:29):
I went to school for this and I want some
kind of outlet for it.

Speaker 7 (53:34):
And I did have some knowledge of how to structure
things and so forth from working in radio for at
that point, the better part of twelve years. So I
mean I had some background, but that was really the
most that I did behind the micro or it has
been with podcasting by far. So I kind of learned
on the job and that's how I did it. So

(53:55):
I did have more of a background than most people,
I would say, but it wasn't like I hosted a
radio show for ten or twenty years.

Speaker 4 (54:02):
Now. We did talk about, you know, I made the
joke about having, you know, so many podcasts, but you
actually are the host of a few out there, and
I mean, you've got your you've got your your main
one with the Paranormal podcast, and you've got the other one,
which is Campfire, which I had the privilege of being on.
And I want while we talk about that real quick.
We've had a bunch of listeners come to our show
and say that they hurt us on Campfire and they

(54:24):
enjoy our show. I want to personally thank you for that,
and I want to thank all of your listeners who
gave us an opportunity. I want to thank them as well.
So I appreciate that.

Speaker 7 (54:32):
Jim Oh I'm glad to do it, and I think
that's part of the and I think sometimes in podcasting
that's lost these days. I think early on, the community
tried to help each other a lot more, and one
person would be on another person's podcast, and you know,
with it becoming corporatized and maybe independent producers taking a

(54:53):
backseat to some of these big companies, I think some
of that's lost. So if we can bring a little
of that back and share the wealth, I'm glad to
do it, and I'm glad that but you know, some
people found out about the show, and hopefully by me
being on your show, some people will find out about
Campfire specifically because I think that will interest them and
it's just kind of virtuous circle.

Speaker 4 (55:12):
So let's talk about Campfire. For those of you who haven't,
who aren't completely familiar with the two shows. Paranormal podcast
is more, obviously with you having a guest on a
lot of times, an author or maybe the host of
some of the paranormal shows and you pretty much letting
them take the rain to where Campfire is more of

(55:33):
talking to individuals, mainly listeners, about their specific ghost stories.
What made you start Campfire?

Speaker 7 (55:40):
Well, I just thought it would be kind of fun
to do a special episode of the Paranormal podcast where
people called in and shared their stories. And so it
was originally just an idea for one episode, and it
was very well received. And I'm like, you know what,
this is a separate podcast. This is a totally different podcast.
I started that thousand and nine, and even though the

(56:01):
numbers are very comparable, sometimes a paranormal podcast will get
more downloads than Campfire and vice versa, and it kind
of goes back and forth depending on the month. I
got to say, the show that resonates and touches people
the most, I think is Campfire because basically what it
is is a place where people can come. There's no judgment.

Speaker 2 (56:22):
You know.

Speaker 7 (56:22):
I'm not like, I don't believe that's what happened. You know,
It's not this confrontational style. It's just, hey, Jerry, I
know you had an experience concerning your mom, and some
interesting visitors tell us what happened, which is exactly what
your story was. And I just let you tell the
story and I'll have a question here or there, but
not in a challenging style. And I thought at first

(56:47):
it would just be a lot of fun you know,
this is just going to be fun to do. It's
like an electronic campfire. That's why we call it Campfire
and lo and behold. I think it was really the
spark that made it possible to do the Plus Club
and do the books and go full time in twenty twelve.

(57:10):
I think Campfire was the spark for all of that,
and it's been fantastic and people love that show because
they know they can come on it's a safe place
you're not going to judge them.

Speaker 2 (57:23):
And I've had people come on.

Speaker 7 (57:24):
And say they've seen leprechauns UFOs of a different type
of bigfoot type creature. So it is ghost stories, but
it is more than just ghost stories, anything supernatural or
even just kind of weird things like what I call
head scratchers, doppelgangers, shadow people. So if people like those

(57:45):
kinds of stories, they can find it wherever they're listening
to your podcast. It's Jim Harrold's Campfire and the most
recent ninety days are absolutely free and will remain that way,
so you can listen for appstly free and each shows
about an hour and people love it.

Speaker 4 (58:05):
Talk a little bit about your Plus Club because I
know for people who join it. You've actually got some
other podcasts. There's some true crime stuff and some other
things that you put out. Tell a little bit about that.

Speaker 7 (58:15):
Well, first of all, I want to say, if you've
never heard of my shows or me, just focus on
the free stuff.

Speaker 2 (58:20):
First. I never want to lead with hey, you don't.

Speaker 7 (58:23):
Want to buy something, I've got plenty of free content
you can listen to. And then if you like, say
I really like this stuff, then you can check out
the Plus Club. But basically the Plus Club, after ninety days,
an episode to the Paranormal podcast or Campfire goes into
the archive. So if you want to listen to the
back catalog going back to two thousand and five, yet

(58:44):
you have to be a part of Plus Club to
get those older episodes. But in addition, I do some
separate shows that are only in the Plus Club. So
if you sign up to Plus Club, there's access to
about I think about fourteen hundred episodes get on the
free feed, and that includes a show called UFO Encounters,
I have one called Conspiracy Corner, I have one called

(59:08):
Ghost Insight, I have one called The Cryptid Report, another
one called Ancient Mysteries on the Air, and.

Speaker 2 (59:15):
Then crime Scene the archive for that.

Speaker 7 (59:17):
Although crime Scene is now the most recent episodes of
that are also free, so you can find Jim Harold's
crime Scene for free, the most recent episodes of that
one as well. So the idea is that if you
really like what we're doing, and you listen to the
free shows, and I recommend everybody check out those free
shows first, then you can say I want more. You
can go over to the Plus club and sign up

(59:39):
for that at Jimherrold dot net. But I always direct
people to Jimharrold dot com and the major directories for
the free content and start with all of that.

Speaker 4 (59:48):
Now, with all that Band said, I heard you one
time speaking to a guest, and I can't remember for
life or who it was, but I know you said
that you've had a little bit of change maybe in
your process from the time you've started this on what
some different aspects of paranormal were, from bigfoot to UFOs,
to polter guys to you know, whatever the case would be.

(01:00:10):
And now you've been doing this thing for ten years,
how has your opinion changed about the paranormal from when
you started to now.

Speaker 7 (01:00:18):
I'm absolutely convinced that there is something to the paranormal
more even more. And I was pretty convinced before, but
even more so, I'm absolutely certain there's something to it.
I've had too many people from too many different walks
of life say, Jim, you know, this happened to me.
And my favorite stories Jerry are not necessarily and I

(01:00:40):
don't mean to cast his version, but someone says I
talked to the aliens at ten am on every Thursday.
I like the stories where somebody says, you know, Jim,
this stuff has only happened to me once or twice
in my life. Let me tell you the story. Maybe
somebody's a police officer, a military officer, you know, just

(01:01:01):
a working class Joe who's just had something happen to
them unusual. So not necessarily someone plugged into the New Age.
Not to knock new age folks, I mean we do
interviews with that on our Plus Club show. For the
Other Side podcast, which I didn't mention is another Plus
Club one. But those stories have convinced me over the

(01:01:23):
years absolutely there is something to this. Now, what I
will say is that there's no way that absolutely everybody.

Speaker 2 (01:01:32):
Can be right.

Speaker 7 (01:01:33):
I interview a lot of authors and on the Paranormal
podcast and my plus club shows, and they have a
lot of different theories and everybody can't be right. So
I think that in some ways, particularly not individuals so much,
because I take people at their word, and I'll be
honest with you. The campfire people that call in, they're sincere.

(01:01:55):
Very rarely have I felt that somebody's pulling my leg.
But when it comes to authors saying I have this
theory and this explains UFOs or this explains ghosts, I'm
actually a little more skeptical of those individual authors maybe
than I would have been at the beginning, because again, everybody,
you know, you interview twenty different people, you have twenty

(01:02:16):
different theories on UFOs, for example, they.

Speaker 2 (01:02:18):
Can't all be right.

Speaker 7 (01:02:19):
So I might be more skeptical in those cases, but overall,
I'm more convinced. I don't know if that makes any sense,
but that's that's kind of how it's evolved for me.
And it's so funny because just interviewing somebody yesterday, I
can't recall who it is, because you.

Speaker 2 (01:02:34):
Know what I'm interviewing. I do maybe five interviews a day.

Speaker 7 (01:02:37):
But he said exactly the same thing that over time
he's become more skeptical about specific cases, but more convinced
in general that there is something going on. So I
don't know if that answers your question or makes any sense,
but that's kind into how it's changed for me.

Speaker 4 (01:02:54):
No, it completely does. I know. You know, I feel
exact exact same you do when I listen to it
show that's interviewing an author. Like you said, there's so
many different takes on the same subject. Sometimes I'll listen
and think, yeah, I just can't buy that, and other
times I think, well, man, that really makes sense. But
I rarely do that with listeners stories. I do feel

(01:03:14):
like that a listener they most cases, they're very sincere,
and even if that wasn't what exactly happened, they believe
that's what happened, and it comes across that way.

Speaker 7 (01:03:24):
And I will say this, This is not to disrespect
the authors. It's just to say that everybody can't be right.
And the thing is, I view my role, whether it's
on Campfire, the Paranormal podcast, or the plus shows. I
think people get confused about this. My job is not
to present someone, and by presenting them, I'm not necessarily saying, hey,

(01:03:48):
they're right. No, what I'm saying is this person has
a viewpoint, a story, a theory. I think it's interesting,
not saying I agree with it, not saying I'm disagreeing.
I am presenting it to you. You you're a smart person.
You're obviously you're smart. You're listening to my show nice,
So I think you're smart enough to figure it out
for yourself. If this person is right or wrong, and

(01:04:10):
somebody can be genuine and sincere and be wrong too,
that's important to remember and not you know, just because
you just because you're wrong, doesn't mean you're a fraud.

Speaker 2 (01:04:26):
You could just be wrong.

Speaker 4 (01:04:27):
I trust me, I got a lot of experience with that.
Let me ask you this, Jim, because this is something
that it's complete switch gears. But I noticed on on
a paranormal podcast, you guys are talking about a cruise,
a cruise that you're promoting. It's some kind of a
mystery cruise or something. Tell me a little bit how
something like that gets started. Does that something you get
approached with, Is that's something that you had a hand

(01:04:49):
in creating?

Speaker 7 (01:04:50):
Well, actually what happened was is that that you can
find the information at mysteries Cruise dot com. It's going
to be myself, Mikah Hankson and Mike great and one
of the most knowledgeable people in the area of the paranormal,
and she really covers a wide range of things. Co
wrote a book with George Rosemary Ellen Guiley and that'll
be in November. If you want to check out the info,

(01:05:11):
that's at Mysteriescruise dot com. Basically, what happened is Mike
make leori over at Holidaymaker Travel. He had advertised on
the podcast in the past, and he just called me
up one day and said, we'd like to do a
paranormal cruise. We think you'd be a great fit. And
then we talked through it and came up with some
ideas of how we do it, and there you have it.

Speaker 2 (01:05:34):
So that's kind of how that worked.

Speaker 7 (01:05:35):
But I'm excited about it because I love and I
don't get a chance to do it, but I love
being at conferences and so forth where I can get
to meet the people that listen. One it's just fun
from the sense of, you know, you get to meet
new people and so forth, you get to exchange ideas,
and I also love the idea you know what it's like, Jerry,

(01:05:56):
I mean I know you're newer to this, but sometimes
you wonder, as anybody really listening, And even though you
get great and supportive emails and see people sign up
to the Plus club and buy your books, it's still
kind of solitary.

Speaker 2 (01:06:09):
So the idea of.

Speaker 7 (01:06:10):
Getting together with people who are of like mind interested
in these subjects, truly interested, it's just great and it
kind of gives you power to keep going because you're like,
somebody is out there listening.

Speaker 2 (01:06:23):
So it's kind of good from the social.

Speaker 7 (01:06:24):
Aspect, because it's a pretty solitary existence doing these Doing
these podcasts, you're just looking at a computer screen and
editing and doing interviews. So it's nice to actually get
out and meet some humans and Plus. I just it's
nice because the kind of subjects we talk about are

(01:06:45):
kind of ridiculed in the general populace. Sometimes.

Speaker 2 (01:06:49):
You know, if.

Speaker 7 (01:06:50):
You go into your local coffee shop or bar or
something and start talking about ghosts, yeah, some people say, yeah,
that's happened to me, and then other people be like ah.
But the nice thing is is you don't have to
guess when you're at one of these events, whether it's
on land or on sea. You know that people are
interested just like you are. You know you're not going
to be judged, and you can talk freely about these

(01:07:11):
topics that interested. And I got to say this, and
people might not think this, but I'm really interested in
this stuff, and even though it is a business for
me these days, I'm still just as interested in it.
In fact, I'll find myself looking up this kind of
stuff when I'm on my off hours and it has
nothing to do with the show coming up, and it's like,

(01:07:32):
I say, well, why are you looking this stuff up?
It's your off hours, and it's like, well, wait a minute.
It just proves you're really interested. So I hope people
can check out Mysteryescruise dot com and it'll be a
lot of fun.

Speaker 4 (01:07:45):
I would be, you know, dismissed if I didn't ask
this question, because I know this is what all my
listeners really want to know. If they went on this
cruise at some point in time, would they see Jim
Harrold in a speed ole bikini.

Speaker 7 (01:07:58):
Believe me, that would be the biggest turned of people
coming that I could possibly think of.

Speaker 2 (01:08:03):
And no, they would not.

Speaker 7 (01:08:07):
I think it'd be that would be spookier than a
full body apparition.

Speaker 4 (01:08:11):
Jim, I greatly appreciate you coming on. I know you've
got a thousand things going on in life, and I
appreciate you taking the time and helping out fellow podcasters.
We try to do the same thing ourselves. We try
to bring on podcasters that have a few less less
listeners than us and try to help boost them. And
when we get people like you help us, it just
helps us to keep that mentality. So we greatly appreciate it.

(01:08:33):
And I appreciate you just doing what you do because
you have been a huge inspiration for us to start
a podcast, and I know many others out there.

Speaker 2 (01:08:41):
Oh, I really appreciate it very much.

Speaker 7 (01:08:44):
It's always great to connect with people and make new
friends in podcasting and also in paranormal studies. And again,
it was a lot of fun.

Speaker 4 (01:08:52):
Jim, let me ask you this, how can these people
get a hold of all of your different products that
you've got going out there. What's the best way for
them to be able to reach you?

Speaker 7 (01:09:01):
Three things? You can check out all my podcasts on
all the major directories or apps that you listen to.
Number Two, if people want to get a regular couple
of stories in their inbox, they can sign up from
my email newsletter at inboxcamfire dot com. That's inboxcampfire dot com.
And then finally they can check out my Virtual Campfire

(01:09:23):
book on Facebook. Just look for Jim Harold's h A
H A R O L D Jim Harold's Virtual Campfire.
We have about eleven thousand people in that group and
we share stories all week long.

Speaker 4 (01:09:37):
Thank you so much, sir, and we'll see you around