2041 Legend of Boggy Creek and Mike Brown from Pleasing Terrors

HAPPY BIRTHDAY, JERRY!!!
Jerry and Tracy tell you the whole story behind the movie The Legend of Boggy Creek and have a talk with Mike Brown from Pleasing Terrors Podcast

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:04):
It start time.

Speaker 2 (00:05):
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Speaker 1 (00:22):
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mean my day to you, I said my stay areo,
I be my day, my dear friend, I think my day.

Speaker 3 (01:25):
Hello and welcome Hibilionation to heal Billy Horror Stories. That song,
of course, was for our beloved Jerry Polly. Happy birthday, buddy.
Just know that everybody wishes you a happy birthday, and
we all wish you were still here so we could
tell you personally happy birthday. And if I can ask,

(01:51):
please keep Tracy in your thoughts. This would be a
hard time for her and we wish her only the
best and nothing but happiness. So Tracy, we love you. Jerry.
Happy birthday, brother, Happy freaking birthday. So let's just get
straight into the house, clean and don't have much. Every

(02:13):
year Jerry puts on a Halloween special and this year
is gonna be no different. If you have a podcast
and you would like to contribute to the Halloween Show,
I invite you to reach out and let me know
I would love to add you to the show. It
would be a good time to get your podcasts out there.

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You can contact me by message through Facebook or just
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because I do not have access to those. I will
never see them. And that's all they got for now.
So let's get run into the show. This week, Jerry
and Tracy tell you the whole story behind the movie

(03:16):
the Legend of Bogny Creek and they have a talk
with Mike Brown from the Pleasing Terrors podcast. Have a
good show for you today. Enjoy everybody, have a great week,
and remember don't always look for green or grass because
you'll always find it. Be happy with what you have.

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Speaker 5 (04:15):
Welcome do you'll building horror Stories and yours.

Speaker 6 (04:24):
And their dog manjul.

Speaker 7 (04:29):
Hey, this is Chelsea and Julian in California and you're
listening to Hillbilly Horror Story.

Speaker 2 (04:34):
Hill Billy Horse Stories. Yeehaw.

Speaker 5 (04:37):
Welcome everybody to episode forty six of Hillbilly Horror Stories.
I'm Jerry.

Speaker 8 (04:42):
Oh, I come a star. It's me Tracy.

Speaker 5 (04:46):
And that was Chelsea and hercule little son Julian with
the intro, although I'm pretty sure he said horror stories.

Speaker 8 (04:54):
Hey, it was the cutest thing ever. Thank you so
much for doing that. We loved it.

Speaker 5 (04:59):
I'm OKAYR horror stories. It's all the same to me.
I get as much joyman out of both.

Speaker 8 (05:03):
You are nasty, my friend.

Speaker 5 (05:05):
Anyways, I also chose that because Chelsea turned me on
to a podcast called Pleasing Terrors, and I fell in
love with it, and I think you guys will too.
And I immediately contacted the host and writer of the show,
Mike Brown, and asked him to come on to do
an interview. And we're going to feature that a little

(05:25):
later in the show.

Speaker 8 (05:26):
Yeah, that podcast is really good. You all need to
take a listen to it because it's really pretty interesting.

Speaker 5 (05:33):
Let's start out with some shout outs. Obviously, first and foremost,
shout out to all the military people around the world
and any of you civil servants, policemen, fire department, at MS.
Thank you to all you guys for keeping us warm
and safe.

Speaker 8 (05:48):
God bless you. Every day.

Speaker 5 (05:51):
We want to talk about our new iTunes reviews. We've
had several of them, so big shout out to Victor
Longoria in San Antonio. Tony, and I promise I'm not
body shaming or anything. That's the name that he put
on there, so I'm not just calling him names. It's
fat Tony k n K C four three two one.
Miguel Magdaleno Magdaleno, I'm said at run again. Uh the

(06:18):
Until Dawn podcast And this is actually another podcast. It's
a husband and wife team. It's pretty cool podcast. You
get a chance. They're both paranormal investigators. So I know
at one point in time a while back that she
was actually going up to the Ohio State Reformatory to
I spent some time, so they got some pretty good insight.
Uh nerd A W. App Actually I think that's in

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need a wop.

Speaker 8 (06:45):
Oh dang, dude, can you reach your night?

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You cannot Jamie and Gabby and Darren k C seventy one.

Speaker 8 (06:53):
Thank you all for the reviews we left really appreciate it.
Keep them coming.

Speaker 5 (06:57):
Absolutely and Patreon supporters. This week we had Jennifer Cunningham,
Karen Wickiam, Adrian Drinka and Dylan Mike Namara. Thank you
guys so much for becoming sponsors. And of course, one
of the things we've been working on to the bonus
episodes for Patreon, and we are almost completely through with

(07:19):
our second Listeners Stories episode. We've had some awesome stories
so far. We've had Carolyn Ogle come on and tell
the story. We've had DJ Prowler, which is actually Tessa
she owns a paranormal company, but she also has a
radio show. She came on and told a story. And
then we've had Celeste that's an awesome story. You guys
are going to want to hear about her marriage. And

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then we've got a couple others that we've done. So yeah,
we're working on this already behind the scenes. That's going
to come out on the first So if you're just
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Three dollars get you that story. Five dollars get you
that story, and another bonus episode that's really similar to
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Speaker 8 (07:58):
Yeah, they were all a really good story.

Speaker 5 (08:00):
Yep. Jump in there and sometime this week and become
a Patreon supporter and get you some extra episodes. And
as always, if for some reason you can't afford to
do that, you know, you've still got all this free
content we're putting out. You know, it's not anything that
we're gonna look down on anybody or say, well, why
hasn't everybody jumped on the Patreon. We realized that not
everybody can afford to do that, and we love everybody

(08:21):
just the same.

Speaker 8 (08:23):
Yeah, we do.

Speaker 5 (08:24):
All right, So let's talk a little bit about what
our story is. We've had a bunch of requests for this.
I've kind of waited for the right time to do it,
and I kind of the more I researched it, the
more I kind of thought we probably should have done
a little bit sooner, because it's a little more fascinating
than what I initially thought it was going to be.
And that is the story behind the movie. The legend

(08:48):
of Bogie Creek.

Speaker 8 (08:49):
Is it Bogie?

Speaker 5 (08:50):
It's Bogey.

Speaker 8 (08:51):
I always thought it was BOGGYE.

Speaker 5 (08:53):
No, Humphrey Bogart did not live there, so that would
be more boggy. But the Bogie Creek is It was
a very cheaply made movie that we'll get into more
of that later. But it was made in the early seventies,
right around seventy two, I believe it was. But this

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movie pretty much put a Bigfoot type character into international status.
There would talk of Bigfoot before, but it wasn't the
fascination like you see today. That pretty much all started
back with this movie. Now, this movie was also known
back in the day as the Falc Monster because all

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this happened in Falc, Arkansas. Thus the reason we started
off with a song talking about Arkansas. That was the
reason for that. So the name of obviously the Falcon Monster.
It's from a little town in Arkansas that literally had
about five hundred people in the hotown. So what happened
was a couple of different things, but you know, you

(09:56):
had the legend just kind of started as a I
guess a local or regional thing because there was an
incident that will cover in just a little bit. This
incident was reported to the newspapers, and then there were
some other things happening around the newspapers, so all these
things kept getting reported. So the whole area down there
in this area, and this is basically if you're unfamiliar

(10:18):
with the area itself, this part of Arkansas is right
there by Texas, Canada, where Texas is Arkansas and Louisiana
all that's right there kind of together, so it's almost
where the three states meet. So what happened was the
newspapers made this thing regional, and then when the movie
came out, like I said, it became international. Everybody knew

(10:38):
the falk Monster back then. So like I said, we
had the falc itself five hundred people back in the day,
and a boggy creek, Bogie Creek now you got me
saying it, sorry, Bogie Creek actually feeds into the Solfa River. Now,
the Sofa River Wildlife Management Area is about eighteen thousand acres,
so it's pretty big, and it's actually one the largest

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bottom line of hardwood habitat areas actually remaining along the
Red River Valley there. So why is that important because
obviously it would be a good place to hide a
creature that, you know, people have trouble finding. So I
told you that this all started because of an incident,
and I'm going to tell you about the incident now.
It happened in nineteen seventy one. A guy named Bobby Ford.

(11:22):
He was visiting his little brother, Donnie Ford. And earlier
in the day Don's wife, Elizabeth, she was looking at
she was standing like in a living room, and she
notices a big hairy arm actually reaching through the window.
So they got the window open and it's kind of
reaching through. I guess about that time Bobby and his
brother Don come home from a hunting trip and I

(11:44):
guess they spooked it and it ran off. Well, it
came back a little bit later that night, and you
could see hear the noises and stuff like that, and
they could see something moving from outside. And earlier because
of this seeing the handcoff that they had borrowed a
shotgun from their landlord. And you know, after you started

(12:09):
seeing this thing, they look out and they're like, they
got their shotgun. They want to try to take some
shots at it. They said. This thing was seven foot tall,
covered with hair and walked up right like a man,
but it was a little bit different, like the strides
that would take was a little different to what a
man would. It was almost ape like.

Speaker 8 (12:27):
Well, I mean did the two brothers had to be
pretty far away. I mean, how the heck you cannot
see a seven foot hairy monster. And I mean, you know,
if it's they, I mean, if it heard them coming
right right.

Speaker 5 (12:39):
Well they saw it. They saw it. That's how they
knew it ran off. That's how they know. These spoke.

Speaker 8 (12:43):
They were close.

Speaker 5 (12:44):
Yeah, they were close, and he.

Speaker 8 (12:46):
Was reaching for maybe an apple in a basket.

Speaker 5 (12:49):
Maybe it was beef turkey. So what ended up happening
is at this point in time, they've already got the shotgun.
So when it comes back, they come out and they
take a shot at it. And Bobby actually kind of
went walking around the side of the house, and when
he did, he said, there it was. So he turned

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around and ran tried to run up the porch to
get back in the house, and by the time he
got to the porch, this thing, according to him, grabs
him and pretty much just kind of wrestles with him
a little bit and then tosses him down like a
rag doll, and he practically knocked the door down trying
to get back in. There was damage done to the door.
They took him to the hospital, and it was actually

(13:33):
at the Texas Arcana Hospital. They took him to the
emergency room, and all this is documented. He was actually
treated for some you know, minor injuries and stuff like that,
but he was also treated for being in shock. In shock, Yeah,
they said there was no doubt about it that he
was definitely in shock. So whatever happened was enough to
just completely freak him out to where he didn't even
have his wits about him at the moment.

Speaker 8 (13:53):
Wow, I mean, I can see that.

Speaker 5 (13:55):
And then the Fords actually moved out a couple of
days later. I mean, they didn't waste any time. So
what made this incident so much different than other bigfoot
encounters was, you know, up to this point, people content
would would consider a bigfoot type creature to be docile.
It was, you know, something that never wanted any kind

(14:18):
of instigation. It was never any kind of altercations. It
just was run off. This was the first known supposed
attack by one of these creatures.

Speaker 8 (14:27):
Well, I was gonna say, I mean, I'm pretty sure
that he could have killed him right then and there
if he wanted to.

Speaker 5 (14:32):
Yeah, I mean I would think so, I would think that, Well, you.

Speaker 8 (14:35):
Don't be missing with sasquashed when you're trying to get
a piece of fruit.

Speaker 5 (14:38):
Something seven foot tall and probably three hundred pounds. Like
they described, it would have been in an animal like
it would probably be majority muscle. I would imagine, just
like an ape. It would have could have done whatever
he wanted to do.

Speaker 8 (14:51):
Yeah, who, that's scary.

Speaker 5 (14:54):
So he's at the hospital. You know, after he's at
the hospital, the doctor actually called the newspapers and said, hey,
there's something going on in Falcon you may want to
go investigate this. The next day, the reporters go down
there and they see some strange tracks, and you know,
they they kind of three toad tracks. That was what's
different about them. They had three toes and a slight
indention that looked like it might have had a fourth toe,

(15:17):
but it just wouldn't touch it enough. That's interesting and
it's funny because, like I said, like today's papers, it
would probably be a little different. But here it actually
said falc family attacked by Harry Monster. That's what that's
what it actually said in the newspaper. So you could
imagine something like this is causing a frenzy. I mean,

(15:38):
now you've got people coming by to want to see
what the house looks like, and you know, so they
you know, nobody could get any peace in there. But
it was starting to cause problems while they were still
probably coming, you know, which is why they wanted to
hurry up and get out of there. Now, three weeks
later it was seen again, and that's when it got
the name the Fouc Monster. The difference this time was

(16:01):
it was instead of the Fords. The Fords had just
lived there for a short time, but this was actually
a well respected couple, a man and woman, mister Missus Woods.
They were traveling north on seventy one. They saw Harry
creature run across the road, and, like I said, this
was something that they could look at and say, these

(16:23):
people have lived here forever and they've seen that. We're
gonna give it a little more credibility than what the Fords. Now.
In June third, some other people reported seeing it across
the road. They don't have their names, but so now
you're starting to see, you know, a pattern, because you
know the Ford situation happened in May. Now we're at
June third, and we've already had three sightings.

Speaker 8 (16:44):
Now, okay, are you sure though they really saw it
or they just might have just been saying it?

Speaker 5 (16:47):
Well, you could probably say that maybe about the third sighting,
but the second sighting was a church going, you know,
older couple, so the chances of them doing it would
have been a little less sure they could be. But yeah,
June thirteenth, a bean farmer came out to his freshly
plowed field, so it'd be pretty easy to see something.

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He saw strange footprints coming from one side of the
woods all the way across his bean field and then
back into the woods again. Now once again, they actually
came out this time and they did some plaster of
Paris and actually took some prints of this thing. They
were thirteen thirteen inches wide or thirteen inches long four
inches wide. It had the three toes in a possible

(17:31):
fourth toe, but it was kind of very vague of
that fourth. But that's the exact same tracks that they
saw at the Fords. Now, newspapers once again they're right
back at this, you know, writing about it. So now
it's starting to cause a Ruckus. So the newspapers they
started kind of questioning a lot of people into town,
and they even went a little bit further down to Jonesville,

(17:53):
which is about five miles southwest of falc. Now this
was really a small community. There was only forty or
fifty people that lived there. I mean these places, it
was dirt roads. These roads, it didn't get paved until
like the nineties, so you can imagine what it was
like back then. Very rural. I mean, all the houses

(18:14):
were back in the woods, so it's kind of scattered around.
The trees and stuff were growing up all over. So
it was really a spooky type situation. But what we
found was that there were a lot of stories going
on there where they're like, you know, you guys are
acting like you were just seeing these things. We've been
seeing this thing for over sixty years, so this was

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nothing new to them in Jonesville, and they started talking about,
you know, some of the stories were out there. In
nineteen forty six, Leslie Green, the sheriff, said a woman
told him that she saw a very hairy man running
through the woods and it was you know, she could
see it from her porch. But he didn't think anything

(18:59):
of it. I mean, this was back in forty six.
He just thought that maybe there were just somebody running
through the woods, or you know, maybe she just didn't
one hundred percent know what she was talking about. Nighttime
things looked a little different, of course, so he didn't
think anything of it. After all, these sightings started coming out,
and I keep in mind that was, you know, nineteen
forty six. These sightings come out, were like in the

(19:22):
seventies and seventy one, so this has been, you know,
quite a long time afterwards, and he's like, after the sightings,
he was thinking, you know what, maybe there was something
to what she was saying. Back then in nineteen fifty five,
Willie Smith said he saw it several times at his house,
and he even shot at it a bunch of times.
He was the first person to actually theorized that it

(19:44):
traveled kind of along the creeks and the rivers right there.
So that's and that's kind of what a lot of
people think about big bigfoots or it's big foots big feet.

Speaker 8 (19:54):
I don't think it's big feet, babe. I think it's
just bigfoot one foot okay.

Speaker 5 (19:59):
So well, but people tend to think that all these
bigfoot type characters or creatures. They kind of go along
the river line and just kind of follow that line.
In nineteen sixty four, this girl named Mary Beth Searcy,
she said she saw a seven foot tall hairy man
type I guess man type creature from her window. She

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was on the news, and you know they had talked
to her about it back when this first happened, and
obviously you know she was upset, but they said you
could tell if you see footage of this interview, you
could tell just by the look in her eye that
she was terrified that there's no way she was lying
about at least thinking she saw something. In nineteen sixty five,

(20:42):
a woman hunter she had went through the well. I
guess I should explain this first. These woods are so
dense that you can't even really walk through them in
some places. So in order to put pipelines or run
electrical wires or something like that, they usually had to
cut a path through these woods. Now what happened. If

(21:05):
you're a hunter, you know that because they've got this
path for these a lot of time, the animals will
come there because it's easier to move, So you can
just kind of perch up there hunting and just wait
for him to come through that path. Well, she was
actually doing that. She was going through one of the
pipelines and she was in a tree stand, just waiting
for some animals. And she says she saw this man
running towards her and she's like, why is this man

(21:28):
out here running in the woods at full speed? And
then as he got closer, she realized that he was
about seven foot covered with hair three to four inches thick.
And she said that he never he just ran right
past her, never saw her. He didn't have a clue
that she was up in a tree stand.

Speaker 8 (21:43):
Lucky heard yep.

Speaker 5 (21:44):
In nineteen sixty five, Lynn Crabtree, who was only fourteen
years old at the time, was he was out squirrel
hunting and late one evening he just kind of started
to doze off, you know, as he's out there, he
just kind of perchaed, just kind of waiting on squirrel.
He starts and off and he heard some noise and
stuff like something coming up the path and it was

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the neighbors had all these horses, and these horses were
running straight towards him, and they had a pond, a
pond or a lake on their property. These horses, they
all ran straight into this lake.

Speaker 8 (22:17):
Oh my gosh.

Speaker 5 (22:19):
Now, he said that he got up to see what
was going on, and he happened to turn and there
was this giant creature, dark fur, flat nose, dark face,
just standing about thirty yards from him. He fired three
shots from a shotgun at him and then just took
off running. He ran into the house, and they had

(22:39):
companied the house, his parents did, and he went in
to explain to him what happened, and he was in
a panic, and his dad smoky crabtree. He went out
to investigate, but he didn't see anything. Now we go.

Speaker 8 (22:52):
Back, Why is all these people such terrible shots?

Speaker 5 (22:55):
Well, I don't know. Well, he was probably just scared
or some people claimed that they're actually hitting him with
the shots. It's just not doing anything. Here's another one,
and this was kind of a you know, all these
things happen in Jonesville, but like it is, it's forty
fifty people, so people are skeptical to believe what's being said.
Because everybody's neighbors, everybody knows each other. They could just

(23:17):
be you know, kind of like the Salem witch trials thing.
It just could be Hey, this is happening. So let's
everybody else say we're seeing it too, you know, not
that it's set up like that, but if one person
sees it, maybe the other person, well, I think I've
seen it too. You know, it could just be a
mental thing. This kind of changed that thought process because
in nineteen sixty seven. I keep in mind, this happened
in sixty seven, but it didn't come out in sixty seven.

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But there's a guy by the name of Carl Finch.
He is a lead singer for the band Brave Combo. Now,
back in sixty seven, they were a pretty big band,
and they were a Grammy Award winning band, So this
guy's got some credibility. He was doing a Battle of
the Bands in Shreveport, Louisiana. He was driving back around
three am. It was him and his cousin. They run

(24:02):
Highway seventy once, very dark road headlights. All of a
sudden kind of you know, come upon somebody running on
the side of the road and it's you know, it's summertime,
and they're thinking, this looks like a guy jogging on
this completely dark road never whatever, and what jog I'm aware, Oh.

Speaker 8 (24:22):
Yeah, that's true. But I would never be on a
dark road by myself at night.

Speaker 5 (24:25):
Ever, Yeah, I can guarantee you if somebody calls me
and said Tracy was found on the side of the
road dead, I'll guarantee you we're not having jogging shoes on.
But anyways, so this guy, this bigfoot thing is it's
jogging and they're thinking he's got a fur coat on.
They're like, why is this guy jogging when? Why is
he wearing a fur coat in the middle of the summertime.

Speaker 8 (24:44):
Okay, well that thought was stupid. Whoever thought that that
was dumb?

Speaker 5 (24:48):
Well, they're not thinking there's gonna be a big foot
running on the side of the road. It looks like
a man anyways, So it's not like that that TV.
It looked like a man.

Speaker 8 (25:01):
It look like a mine.

Speaker 5 (25:02):
So his cousin was actually the one driving and he
wanted to get a better look at it, but as
they got close, she kind of veered over into the
other lane to make sure she went anywhere close to
it and passed it up, and then as the teill
lights kind of faded, he kind of lost sight of
it and couldn't tell what it was. But it was
years later when he even heard about this thing and

(25:24):
said hey, And it was after the movie came out.
He saw the movie in like seventy five or seventy six.
So we're looking, we're talking like eight or ten years later,
and he's like, man, I think we saw that thing
that night. And then all of a sudden, it's like
the people were like, well, he's not even from the area,
he didn't know anything about it. Yeah, but where he
saw it was right there by Jonesville. Oh, so we

(25:47):
had actually had a credible witness that wasn't from the area,
that knew nothing about it, that saw the same thing
that everybody in Jonesville was sin.

Speaker 8 (25:55):
I just think he could have got his autograph.

Speaker 5 (25:58):
Bigfoot could have got his autograph. No say, because he
is a Grammy Award winning artist. Bigfoot might have wanted
his ninja. I'm not going to have this cease. Sorry
about that, you find folks, all right, So let's talk
about the movie itself. All this stuff's happening in the newspaper.
And there was a wannabe filmmaker in Texark, Canda by

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the name of Charles Pearce. He kind of had his
hand in a little bit of everything. He was a
graphic designer. He did a little bit of TV stuff.
He played a character by the name of Mayor Chuckles
in Shreveport on local television. He had an ad agency
and he was doing some commercials.

Speaker 8 (26:39):
Dang, he's a busy man.

Speaker 5 (26:40):
So he kind of dabbled in a little bit of everything. Now,
he wanted to do a movie, almost more of a documentary.
That's how this thing started out. But he wanted to
do something local and he thought, man, there's this monster
sightings right up the road. This would probably make a
pretty good documentary. So that's how it all started out.
Turns out, it's a lot harder to make a movie

(27:02):
back in the early seventies than what it is today,
because now you can pretty much take your iPhone and
make some type of movie and edited with some kind
of software on your laptop, and they couldn't do that
back then. You had to have this big reel to reel,
you had all this extra editing, and it just wouldn't
that easy. So what he did was he went down
and he would just kind of talk to some locals

(27:23):
and find out what was going on, and some people
would telling the stories and other people are like, oh,
I don't want to have anything to do with a movie.
You know, I don't want you know, I've talked about it,
you know, maybe to the newspaper, but I don't want
to be involved with a movie and have myself broadcast
everywhere where I look like an idiot. So yeah, that
would be the reason for that. The movie costs one

(27:47):
hundred and twenty five thousand dollars to make. He borrowed
one hundred thousand dollars from a man in Texarcana in
nineteen seventy one. He shot this thing with a thirty
five millimeter camera he could afford to actors. So what
he would do is go like to the local gas
station and he would just wait and then people would
come in and he'd be like, she'd make a good

(28:07):
Cindy Lou or he'd make a good Bobby, and that's
how they did it. And then he would just go
to him and say, hey, you want to be in
a movie, and they'd be like, well, sure, we'll be
in a movie. And that's how they got it. So
there were no actors. Everybody was from the town for
the most part. And you know, you know, keep in mind,
this guy was an unknown filmmaker. He had people that
were locals in the movies. He would go to the

(28:28):
gas station to find all these people. And he debuted
in Texarcana in nineteen seventy two. He first took at
the Hollywood. Right, he couldn't get them to even yeah.
They were like, Arkansas, what who are you you're in
You're got a bigfoot movie? Yeah, I don't think we're interested.

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And that was pretty much the end of it. And now,
of course you got this guy that loaned him one
hundred thousand dollars calling him almost every single day. It'd
be like, you got some of my money back yet,
So this guy is struggling now because he really thought
that this would be something he could sell the Hollywood.
It would be a cool story. So he's like, I
got to do something to try to get this money back.
So he came back and rented a theater. Okay, this

(29:15):
this thing was one hundred percent do it yourself. He
had to pay the projectionist, he had to pay the ushers,
the people in the concession concessions. This thing wasn't even suitable.
He had to get fire hoses just to clean the floor.
They had to because they had so much stickiness and
stuff to the floor he had to use, you know that.
So he gets this thing all set up, and you know,

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keep in mind, at this time, locally you had like
little rock radio stations offering a ten thousand dollars bounty
for the foulc monster. So could you imagine you're listening
to the radio whatever wherever you're at now, and then
let's say you're over in England and they are offering,
you know, a ten thousand dollars bounty for the lockmass monster.

(30:03):
Actually that would be Scotland. So I'm showing my ignorance
on geography, but you could imagine how funny that would sound.
So this thing was pretty hyped up, so the fact
that the legend had gotten so big locally. When he
did decide to show this, he had people lined up
all the way around the block. They were bringing sack

(30:26):
lunches because sometimes they would have to wait two or
three showings and just to be able to get in
there to get a seat. So this thing was a
pretty big hit, and he had another copy. It wouldn't
as good as the one that he was showing, but
he did have another copy of the film, and he
decided to do the same thing up in Shreveport, and
he had the exact same results. People lined up just

(30:48):
waiting two or three, you know, and he was showing
this thing around o'clock pretty much. How long the movie was,
Oh it's an hour and forty minutes.

Speaker 8 (30:56):
Oh really, Yeah, roughly.

Speaker 5 (30:59):
It's a very cheesy type movie about today's standards. Yeah,
but the thing about the movie is almost anybody who's
into crypto zoology, and for those of you unfamiliar with
the term, crypto zoologists are people who study creatures that
are basically unknown Bigfoot, luck nest monster, the skunk gape,

(31:20):
the mothman, all those things that could be some type
of creature that's just not been proven to exist. That's
what crypto zoology.

Speaker 8 (31:30):
What do you see the skunk?

Speaker 5 (31:31):
What the skunk ape that's like a sasquatch type thing
in Florida. Oh ye, all these things. That's the funny
thing about it. All these creatures, the bigfoot type, they
all had their names, you know, they all like the
skunk gape or you had you know this one or
that one. They all had the names, but nobody was
as famous internationally as the fouc monster. That was everybody

(31:55):
knew what the fuc monster was. So even though there
was tons of these creatures around, supposedly this was the
one that was internationally famous. And because of that, and
because of the luck he was having. And this keep
in mind, this was a rated G movie, so you
had kids and everybody lining up to see this thing.
But because of this, Hollywood eventually came knocking and they

(32:15):
were like, hey, you remember us, and he's like, no,
I don't think I remember you guys, and they were like,
we want to offer you some big.

Speaker 8 (32:24):
Money, and I would have been like, in your fight.

Speaker 5 (32:27):
So a group called Halko International offered him one million
dollars for fifty percent interests. And you know, this guy,
he was having success, but he's smart enough to know
that if it was going to reach any real level
of status, he couldn't do it just by showing it

(32:50):
these two little local theaters. So he took the money
fifty percent interests. You know, this is a guy that
had never directed a movie before, had no famous people,
and it all just local people. Cost one hundred and
twenty five thousand to make, and now he's got a
million dollars and he's still got fifty percent going forward.
So it's pretty pretty impressive when you think about it.

(33:12):
And you know, it's funny because, like I said, that
movie ended up being what inspired a lot of so
many you know, crypto zoologists out there. There's a lot
of people now that you know, thirty years later that
they're out there studying everything from bigfoot type creatures, abondable

(33:32):
snow man, they've got the moth Man. And it's all
because of this movie.

Speaker 8 (33:36):
Isn't that amazing?

Speaker 5 (33:37):
I mean, it's just this thing was such a huge
phenomenon phenomenon. Even after all this was people were like,
if you talk to people like about the Foult Monster
or the legend of Boggy Creek Bogee Creek. Sorry, honey,
you're killing me.

Speaker 8 (33:55):
I'm sorry.

Speaker 5 (33:56):
But if you talk to people about it, they're like, oh, yeah,
that was that thing back in the seventies, but it's
not one hundred percent true. You know, things have happened
since then. Yeah, but it was never at its biggest
height that what it was back in the seventies. After
this movie came out. And keep in mind, this was
during the time when drive ins were really big. So

(34:16):
this movie, even though it came out in like seventy two.
I mean they were still showing it at like seventy five,
seventy six, so you know, it was a good movie
to go to the drive in and see. If you
were taking a date, you know, she'd kind of be
scared and kind of cling to you, and that's what
she kind of wanted to drive ins. But this big
thing became such a huge phenomenon that cardinalds of people

(34:37):
would come to town and they would just pitch tents
anywhere trying to get a glimpse of the Falconlunster. People
would be asleep in their house and wake up the
next morning and find people with tents on their lawn.

Speaker 8 (34:49):
My gosh, and I would not do that. I'd be
so scared.

Speaker 5 (34:52):
Some of the locals made really good money because they
would have like the diner would have like three told
sandwiches or whatever. You know, they would would have you know,
banana splits, whatever the case. They would have something that
would try to draw the attention out. And some of
the little places in town they would have little novelties
and stuff that they had made up to sell. But
then there was other people who didn't like all the

(35:14):
traffic and stuff coming to town. I mean, you can
imagine if you were like a bean farmer and your
crop was how you make a living, and you got
people trampling through it all the time, you can imagine
that could be you know, devastating. And it's like I said,
so most people think this just happened in the seventies,
but there have been some instances since then. I thought
we'd talk about a few of them. Nineteen eighty one,

(35:36):
a man in Jonesville was fishing. It was starting to
get kind of dark. He hadn't had much luck, and
he decided, hey, you know, I think i'll, you know,
give it a few more minutes. And about that time,
he kind of hears something kind of rustling back in
the trees, but he doesn't see anything. Well, his leg
kind of had a dog leg, you know, where it
hooked one way and went around the trees, and he

(35:57):
kind of went over that way, and whatever it is
that he heard, he heard it kind of just stop
when he got close, and then a few seconds later
he could hear it basically take off running through through
the trees. So he got scared. He goes back to
the house and that's where his dad was, and he
tells his dad what he said. He said, Man, I think
I just saw the Falc monster. Well, his dad is

(36:19):
a deacon of the church. He's, you know, a well
known photographer in the area, has got all these awesome
pictures from you know, all through his time growing up
and of the area in general. And he's somebody, like
I said, a pillar of the community. That they talked
to the newspaper about it, and he was convinced that

(36:39):
his son saw something. He wouldn't have been that scared,
and he felt like that he had seen stuff too,
but wouldn't one hundred percent sure. But his son seeing
it kind of confirmed that they probably had both seen it.
He just didn't wouldn't, you know, didn't have that confirmation. Now,
in nineteen ninety two, something strange happened. You had a
truck driver coming down the road going one direction and

(37:03):
a curload of people. There was five people in this
car coming in the other direction. They both vehicles saw
something crossing the road that fit the description of six
six and a half seven foot tall covered with fur,
walking like a man that just crossed the road right
right in front of both of them. Wow. Also in

(37:23):
nineteen ninety two, in roughly the same area, five different
people in three different cars all saw something crossing the
road there at the same time. Nineteen ninety seven, there
was another report similar several more sightings into two thousands.
In two thousand, a coon hunter around the Sofa River

(37:45):
claims that he saw it. Two thousand and four, Carter Lake,
somebody saw one down there. In twenty ten, there were
some people that saw it near Falc. And I think
what you're finding is that, you know, these these woods
and stuff aren't quite as dense. They're tearing things down

(38:05):
to build houses and stuff, So it would make sense
that if there are creatures under that, they probably would
be pushed further and further out. So it's not you know,
right there in that Falc Jonesville area, So they are
kind of spreading out a little more. As far as the.

Speaker 8 (38:18):
Sightings, well, maybe they're just lonely.

Speaker 5 (38:21):
Well it could very well be.

Speaker 8 (38:22):
I mean, can you imagine just walking around in the woods,
just walking around in the woods, and maybe they just
want to make some friends.

Speaker 5 (38:29):
Well, maybe they should just start their own website and
it'd be like a dating site or something, you know,
bigfoot dot com or bigfoot match dot com or something.

Speaker 7 (38:38):
Or why not.

Speaker 8 (38:38):
There's every other kind of damn website.

Speaker 5 (38:41):
Only bigfoot dot com. But you know, the funny thing
about it is, if these sightings have been seen for
so many years, if there are something out there being seen,
there's got to be a group of them. Yes, there's
no way, the same the same features sixty five years
old running.

Speaker 8 (38:59):
Around the damn cane, Yeah, crossing the road.

Speaker 5 (39:02):
Could you imagine you see a Bigfoot and earning one
of those little uh you know, those little scooter things
like you got at Walmart.

Speaker 8 (39:10):
Well, you know, I mean, of course, there has to
be more than one. I mean, and like I said,
he's probably just lonely. I mean, shoot, I.

Speaker 5 (39:18):
Like the idea of an old Bigfoot and some kids
walking around get off my lawn. I think that would
be funny.

Speaker 1 (39:24):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (39:24):
Yeah, So anyways, that basically in a nutshell is the
story of the legend of Boggy Creek.

Speaker 8 (39:31):
Well, that's pretty cool. I don't think Bigfoot's probably all
that bad of a person.

Speaker 5 (39:35):
Well, like I said, the only instance we had was
the one yeah, where the guy says, and it's supposedly
he changed his story, Like initially it was hey, he
threw me down, and then it changed it to something
else down the road. So you know, but something happened
to him because he was in shock. Yeah he did
have some bruises and stuff like that, but you know,

(39:56):
who's to say that he just didn't see something and
got so scared that he tried to run and fell
and thought something was going to get him. And there
you go.

Speaker 8 (40:02):
Well, I mean, if he's going to go there, he
needs to make it a pretty good interesting story.

Speaker 5 (40:06):
Maybe the Bigfoot was just trying to pick him up
and help him through the door. We saw him.

Speaker 8 (40:12):
Hug.

Speaker 5 (40:13):
He saw him slip and fall and he wanted to
go help him up.

Speaker 8 (40:15):
Help I fall in and I can't get out.

Speaker 5 (40:20):
I don't know what accent that one.

Speaker 8 (40:21):
I don't know either until I can muster.

Speaker 5 (40:24):
But that pretty much is the story of the legend
of Bogie Creek.

Speaker 8 (40:29):
So so the next time you see a sasquash, just
give him old hug. That's probably all he wants anyway.

Speaker 5 (40:34):
Sure, that's what it. Just like Ben the bear, That's
all he wanted was a.

Speaker 8 (40:36):
Big hugs, a big hug.

Speaker 5 (40:40):
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Speaker 8 (41:01):
Thank you guys for that. We love your support.

Speaker 5 (41:03):
And now what I want to do is go ahead
and bring up the interview with Mike Brown because this
was actually pretty fun and I think what you're going
to find is, unlike some of the interviews we've done,
we actually get Mike to tell us some stories, and
that's what he's actually doing here. Even though he's the
podcast host and we ask him about the podcast. He
also dives into some of the stories on some of

(41:24):
my favorite episodes. And I think once you hear him
talk about some of this, you're going to be ready
to just instantly go subscribe to this. And I think
you should because I know I would. It literally is
one of my favorite ones. And I think Chelsea for
turning me on too, because I probably would have known
about it, and he's been out there actually longer than
we have. So it just goes to show when people

(41:45):
ask us about, hey, why do you have these shows on,
because we've had people that literally say, why did you
have the girls from? And that's why we drink? Or
the guys from not Alone or don't break the Oath.
It's because there are so many podcasts out there, it's
easy for the good ones to get lost in the
shuffle and until somebody here's one of these podcasts and

(42:07):
tells you about it. Word of mouth is the only
way that these things are going to grow. And you know,
when I hear one that I really like, I tried
to help put the word out there. And then there's
a lot of other podcasters that do the same. So
that's what it's all about, is you're trying to help
each other grow and and you know, we all we're
not competition to each other. We you know how many
people out there of you guys are listening to fifteen

(42:28):
other podcast I mean, I know I do. I don't
look at anybody as competition. I just look at it
as all being in the same boat and we're all
we're all providing entertainment and the more the merrier.

Speaker 8 (42:36):
Heck, yeah.

Speaker 5 (42:37):
So, without further ado, please welcome to the show, Mike Brown.
All right, I am joined by a special guest on
the show, mister Mike Brown from Pleasing Terrors. Mike, thanks
for coming on board.

Speaker 6 (42:51):
Thank you for having me.

Speaker 5 (42:52):
I gotta say, Mike, you know, I've got a mutual
listener by the name of Chelsea and Iya out in California,
and a couple of weeks ago, she sent me a message.
I forgot what we were even talking about, but she said, hey,
you should check out Pleasing Terrors. And up to this point,
oddly enough, I hadn't heard of the show. But there's
so many podcasts out there it's hard to hear of
all of them. And I downloaded the first issue and

(43:13):
I'm gonna tell you, brother, I have been hooked ever since.
I've binge listened to every episode in about a week
and a half time. So you have a marvelous show
and I wanted to commend.

Speaker 6 (43:21):
You on that. Well, thank you very much.

Speaker 5 (43:23):
You know, I think there's three types of shows really
out there, and it really doesn't matter what genre. But
you know, there's the shows like mine and Tracy where
we just basically just sit around and talk about a subject.
You have the shows out there where it's pretty much
a host and then they have a guest on and
just interview the guests the whole show. And then you
have shows like yours, which I put in the same
type of category with Lore and Unexplained, which are probably

(43:45):
my two favorite shows. And you know where you've got
a brilliant, brilliant storyteller, and you know, to write these
things like you guys do and to be able to
tell the story is a talent I wish I had,
because if I had that kind of ability, that's the
kind of show I would do. But you know, it's
a unique talent to do things the way you guys do,
and you know that's what makes the show. So I
wanted to say, first and foremost, I'm a huge fan

(44:08):
and to put you in the same category. For me,
to put you in there with the Lore and Unexplained
is couldn't be any higher praise. I thank you guys.
You three guys are the best storytellers in the podcast world.
So just wanted to say that coming right out of
the gate.

Speaker 6 (44:23):
Well, thank you very much.

Speaker 7 (44:24):
That's some very flattering company to be a part of.
I mean, that's pretty high praise, so I really appreciate that.
Thank you very much.

Speaker 5 (44:32):
Mike, tell me a little bit about the show itself.
If somebody out there hasn't listened to the show and
you're wanting to give the best description of it, do
that for me and give me a little background on
how you actually got this show started.

Speaker 2 (44:44):
Well.

Speaker 7 (44:44):
The pleasing Tearrors is it's a mixture of true crime,
paranormal ghost stories. Usually whenever I can, also mixed in
with folk lore or legends or fairy tales. One of
the things that I try to do with the show,
I try to take different things that at first glance
might not seem like they fit together and sort of

(45:05):
tie them all together in one story. And you know,
there's so many. One of the goals that I had
with this podcast was the fact that, you know, there's
so many podcasts out there, and we're all, regardless of genre,
we're all sort of covering a lot of the same stories,
and so I wanted to try to create a podcast
where it really wouldn't matter what the topic was that

(45:29):
people would be tuning in because they would be interested
in hearing what my version of it was going to be.
So you know, there for example, if I'm going to
do an episode, if I were going to do an
episode on say H. H. Holmes or something like that.
I just wanted to create a podcast where people would
be interested in hearing what my take on it would be,
and not necessarily you know that, Okay, this is just

(45:52):
another podcast about HH Holmes. And the reason I got
into it, I've been a tour guide giving ghost tours
in Charleston for about twenty years in Charleston, South Carolina.
So I've been telling those stories for a living for
twenty years and I kind of reached a point, and
really one of my inspirations for it was lore was
listening to that.

Speaker 6 (46:12):
I used to listen to.

Speaker 7 (46:13):
Podcasts when I would be coming down to give my
ghost tours in the evenings, and at some point the
idea just set in. It's like, wondered if, well, I
wonder if I could do that, And once the idea
came up, it wouldn't go away. And it just sort
of happened to that.

Speaker 5 (46:28):
Well, and you know, you touched on an interesting thing
because one of the things I was actually going to
bring up was the fact that of your storytelling, I
do like how it is similar to law as far
as you know, you start off with an intro and
then the meat of the story comes in, and then
at the end everything's tied together. But it's really cleverly done,

(46:49):
which makes your storytelling stand out to me, which's that's
my biggest draw to the show. And you're right, I've
heard several of your topics that were something I've heard before,
but your take on it was completely different. And I'll
go back to the the Dragon episode you did when
you touched on the Jersey Devil. Your take on that
was so completely different than anybody else's I've heard it.

(47:11):
I had a complete interest in a story to where
if you'd have told me ahead of time, hey, this
is a show about the Jersey Devil, I probably wouldn't
have been as excited about it, but your version.

Speaker 7 (47:20):
You know, that's one of the one of the things
that I it's sort of counterintuitive for podcasts, is you know,
one of the things in podcasts with SEO and getting
people to know, you know, to find your episode as
you're supposed to sort of promote what it is.

Speaker 6 (47:33):
You're talking about.

Speaker 7 (47:34):
And my preference is actually I would prefer that somebody
listening to my show when they tune into an episode,
have no idea what that episode is going to be about.
You know that this that this story just sort of
get a chance to unfold as they listen to it,
because you know, if you know ahead of time, for example,
that this is an episode about the Jersey Devil is,
you know, if you listen to other podcasts about that,

(47:56):
you can't help but sort of fill in the story,
you know, right out of the gate. And I ideally
when someone listens to my show, I would prefer that
they have no idea what an episode is about and
just sort of get to experience it as it as
it unfold.

Speaker 5 (48:12):
Well, that's and you've probably hit a nail on the
head that I'm sure most people thinking right now are
probably listening and thinking, man, that is so correct. Why
didn't we think of that? Because I know that's what
I'm thinking right now, is that you know, it's probably
the better way to do.

Speaker 7 (48:25):
It well from a storytelling perspective. Yes, maybe from a
marketing perspective, I don't know, but but yeah, definitely from
a storytelling perspective. I kind of want people to come
into it not knowing where it's going to go.

Speaker 5 (48:38):
I think one of the things Mike that set your
show apart, and we kind of do this a little
bit on our show, is we like to touch on
the different avenues. Like you said, it's you know, sometimes
a little bit of true crime, sometimes a little bit
of this, a little bit of paranormal, and you do
bounce around a little bit, and I think that keeps
it interesting. And I had a couple of shows that
were a special interest to me that I think listeners

(49:00):
out there would absolutely love once they hear it. Not
that they're not going to love all the episodes, because
I've I've loved everyone I've listened to, but some of
them just really stood out to me. And I wanted
to touch on your very last episode, uh and what
I what I like is you put disclaimers in the
front you you mentioned in the beginning that this had
some you know, some violent and graphic nature stuff and uh,

(49:23):
touchy subjects. But you were talking about the wind to go,
and that's always been a subject that fascinated me and
but I've never really delve into the topic. But the
way that you presented the story and the facts that
you did love that you're fact based by the way,
and it was an awesome story. Can you can you
touch a little bit on what gave you the idea

(49:44):
for that episode or or you know what what made
your interest in that to do some of these shows.

Speaker 7 (49:49):
Well, that that was a different episode in terms of
how I got the idea for it, because that was
actually a request there was. There's another podcast which I'm
a huge fan of called Bone Palace Ballet, which is
a true crime podcast and also that's one of my
favorite podcast names ever.

Speaker 6 (50:07):
But they had.

Speaker 7 (50:10):
I was just talking to them over Twitter and they said, oh,
do an windogo episode, and I had never thought about
it before, and I was like, Okay, that sounds like
a really interesting topic, and so I did. The surprising
thing was how little there is out there on the
subject of windigoes.

Speaker 6 (50:25):
There.

Speaker 7 (50:25):
I really couldn't find a lot of information. So I
kind of had to dig d to find some instances
of historically speaking of there being a windigo incidents, you know,
cannibal incidents.

Speaker 6 (50:41):
I was able to find some.

Speaker 7 (50:42):
But it wasn't as as huge of a topic as
I'd expected it would be.

Speaker 5 (50:46):
Well, it's kind of funny on a coincidence standpoint, because
you know, last week we did a show and one
of the shows of the topics we did was the
missing Persons result of Charles Thompkins in Georgia, and you know,
he just disappeared and it was, you know, strange occurrence.
But one of the the I guess theories out there
was that was possible it was a wind to Go

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and we discussed on the show that that was a
theory and why it made sense. But at the same time,
it was in a completely different area than what the
Wind to Go talk was, where Windogo talk was up north,
where all of your stories took place that you discussed.
Where this was in Georgia where it didn't really make sense.
But you know, I hadn't thought about Wind to Go,
and I can't tell you how long it just happened

(51:29):
to pop up in that story last week, and then
you did a complete story, so my interest was already
peaked in it. So I think that's part of the
reason I enjoyed it so much.

Speaker 7 (51:37):
Well, yeah, and the wind to Goo idea is so
interesting because it's something that starts off as mythology and
then over time the stories evolve into almost like a
demonic possession kind of a story.

Speaker 6 (51:50):
And then as you get into modern times.

Speaker 7 (51:52):
It's this sort of psychological syndrome called windigo psychosis. But
even now, the psychosis self is almost legendary because there
have been no known examples of it, you know, in
the twentieth and twenty first centuries. So there's no one
living now that's ever been diagnosed or within living memory,
it's no one that's ever been diagnosed with windigo psychosis.

(52:15):
So even as a psychological ailment, you know, even in science,
it sort of has this mythological legendary quality to it,
which was really interesting.

Speaker 5 (52:23):
It was a really fun story. It's very disturbing for
anybody that has very to you, but it was. But
it was a fun a fun listen.

Speaker 7 (52:31):
And that's that's one of the reasons that I do,
on occasion put those disclaimers at the front, is because
I know that there are people that will listen with
their kids, and you.

Speaker 6 (52:42):
Know, I wouldn't want I wouldn't want to.

Speaker 7 (52:44):
You know, stories are supposed to be entertaining, and they
are dark, they can get very dark, but you know,
I wouldn't want anyone to actually get upset listening to it.

Speaker 5 (52:52):
No, I can definitely understand, and I'm sure a lot
of people appreciate that because then you know of some
of the topics that we talk about just by the
nature are going to be graphic. And if you're going
to tell the story the way you need to tell it,
you know, that's just part of it. I mean, you
can't talk about Lizzie Borden without talking about, you know,
if she killed her family with an axe, if that's
you know who did it, it's just part of the story.
Anybody who knows me knows I am a music freak.

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You mix in a little bit of the occult or
any type of magic with the music, then you've got
a topic that I could talk on for days. So
it's no secret that my favorite episode that you've done
so far is the Charles Manson episode. And you've got
a little bit of a story in there with Trent Reznor.
Can you touch on that a little bit?

Speaker 7 (53:35):
Yes, And you know that's interesting enough. That's a story
that came to me on ghost tour. I had a
musician to come on my ghost tour and he told
me the story of the door, and I was just
completely fascinated by this really creepy story about this door.
And he mentioned how he had been working in New
Orleans a few years ago, and Trent Resner at the
time and had a studio in New Orleans, and at

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the door of his studio was the door from the
Sharon Tate House in the Charles Manson murders. It was
it's a famous, sort of almost iconic door because it
had the word cake written in blood on the front
of it. And it turns out that back in the
nineteen nineties, Trent Reznor had resided at the Sharon Tate

(54:18):
House on Colo Drive in the in the Hollywood Hills,
and of course that was the house where the infamous murders,
the Charle One portion of the Charles Manson murders took place,
and the while he lived there. I went back and
was able to find some instances of him talking about
some of the weird things that happened when he lived there,

(54:39):
you know, seeing these people on the security cameras that
would just there would be someone on the property that
he could see on the camera and then they would
just disappear. Being able to feel the presence in the house,
and now he himself was just terrified at times being
alone at night inside that house. And it's just sort
of of feeling this aura that hung over the property,

(55:02):
and of course, you know, that was the place where
I don't recall the date off the top of my head,
but that was the place where the members of Charles
Manson's cult, I guess you would call it a murdered
Sharon Tate and several other people. And that same room
where the murders took place was being used by Trent

(55:23):
Reznor as a studio, as a music studio, and after
he left, because he was just renting the property, and
I think it was in nineteen ninety four that the
owners decided they were going to tear that house down,
and so Resnor took the front door with him when
he moved to New Orleans, and it was he had
made it the front door of his studio and it
was later sold, I think, But yeah, I was just

(55:45):
sort of fascinated by that story of the door, and
of course that in addition to that property itself, there's
a house that's literally just steps away down Colo Drive,
which has been the source of this huge amount of
paranormal activity.

Speaker 6 (56:00):
In fact, the owner.

Speaker 7 (56:01):
Made a movie about all of the things that were
happening in his housed and that whole area. Interestingly, enough
Colo Drive has been classified by the US Geological Service
as this sort of geomagnetic anomaly, and it has been
speculated by some paranormal experts that there's sort of a
bottling effect happening there, which might explain why the spirits

(56:25):
the people have encountered not only on what was the
tape property, but also the surrounding houses are sort of
trapped on that location, and it's supposed to be a
very intense place, so much so that people going there
will sometimes become ill just being around that area. I
have to say that that's one of the few places

(56:45):
where I would have some serious reservations about going there,
and certainly about spending the night there.

Speaker 5 (56:53):
That's a perfect segue into my next question, because one
of my other favorite episodes that you've done talks a
little bit about you actually spending the night in the
prison I believe right there in Charleston. Am I correct
on that? Yes, tell me a little bit about that situation,
because I know you said you definitely had some concerns
there that you hadn't experienced before, and I thought it

(57:15):
was a fascinating listen to how you described everything that
went on and your feelings it really made me feel
like I was there with you. So tell the audience
a little bit about what you encountered there and how
that took place. To start with.

Speaker 7 (57:27):
Well, in Charleston, South Carolina, there is a really creepy building.
It looks like a haunted castle. It sits right in
downtown Charleston. It's surrounded by houses strangely en now, but
it's called the Old City Jail and it dates back
to eighteen oh two. It's this big, gothic, creepy looking
building and it has a horrific history. They estimate that

(57:49):
ten thousand people have died within this building. It has
been a place where just all sorts of torture and horrible,
horrible things have happened over a long period of time.
And then one day they just shut it down because
they built a new jail somewhere else, and it just
sat there empty for decades, and it has been open.

Speaker 6 (58:08):
There's a company called.

Speaker 7 (58:09):
Bulldog Tours who manages the property and gives a nighttime
upon a jail tour there and it's been visited by
pretty much all of the big ghost hunting.

Speaker 6 (58:18):
Shows over the years.

Speaker 7 (58:20):
So staying there, you know, for a few hours at
night was not a new thing, but something that no
one had ever done was to stay there alone, and
that was it was something that I guess at first,
seemed like a good idea at the time. I have
to admit that when we got down to the day,
I was really nervous about it. But I didn't want

(58:41):
to do like a ghost hunting thing because I really
have no experience with that. I wasn't there to necessarily
try to prove that it's on it or disprove that
it's on it. I just wanted to be alone inside
the building and write about what it was, what was
going on there, the history while I was inside the building.
I wanted to an episode where I would be writing

(59:01):
the episode inside the haunted location, you know, and sort
of experiencing it, and with no filters with It's amazing
the difference. Even if I'd had one more person there
with me, that would have been so much more comforting
than just being there all by myself.

Speaker 6 (59:17):
And so it was a scary experience.

Speaker 7 (59:21):
And there were a lot of things that started happening
that night, in particular between three and four in the morning,
which of course is traditionally considered to be the Devil's hour.
But during that hour there was just all sorts of
activity inside the building. You could hear voices, I could
hear voices coming from upstairs. You could hear noises that

(59:41):
sounded like the doors of the cells opening and closing.
There were a couple times where I thought I could
see things down hallways when I looked. It was just
a very intense time period, made worse by the fact
that I had done a lot of research, so I
knew everything, or at least a lot of what had
happened there. You know, I could point to a location
at the bottom of the staircase and know that a

(01:00:02):
fifteen year old boy had been murdered on that spot
during the Civil War, or that that particular room was
used to torture people. And so the combination of being
there alone, knowing the history, and just having all kinds
of weird stuff happening while I was there was a
really sort of frightening combination.

Speaker 5 (01:00:18):
That's a really cool situation. I mean, you know, I've
spent a night in Waverley Hills. It's been years ago,
and I know.

Speaker 6 (01:00:24):
I wanted to do that so bad, but.

Speaker 5 (01:00:26):
You know, I was with a group of people, So
that's a whole lot different than the situation. I don't
think I could have done that by myself. But no,
I mean that's like I said, I think it's a
cool situation anytime you can just step up to the
plate and say, hey, we know there's just a bunch
of activity in here, and it's kind of a creepy place.
But I'm going to go ahead and step up and
spend a night there. And you know, I think it's

(01:00:48):
a cool situation. I'd love to build do something like that,
but I don't. I don't have the guts to do it.
I'll be honest with you.

Speaker 6 (01:00:53):
Well, I don't know that I do either.

Speaker 7 (01:00:56):
You know, it just sort of kind of happened, and
by the time it was sort of on its way,
it was too late to change my mind.

Speaker 5 (01:01:03):
Yeah, I guess like you jump out of a plane
parachute and once you jump, it's too late.

Speaker 6 (01:01:08):
Yes, I was just gonna say that that was quite
an experience.

Speaker 5 (01:01:11):
Yeah, like I said, I you know, I've had a
couple of experiences, but nothing. You know, we talked about
the Sharon Tate area. W you know, I would love
to go out there just to be able to see
if I feel anything. I know that's the exact opposite
of what I'm just saying, But I mean I love going,
you know, any place that they're supposed to be activity,
just to kind of see, but I'm kind of chicking.

(01:01:31):
I'd rather go with people.

Speaker 7 (01:01:32):
You know.

Speaker 5 (01:01:32):
We went to Bobby Mackie's on a private tour one time,
and we had another couple with us. But then the
next time we went back, it was actually during their
open hours, so I mean there was literally probably six
hundred people in there. But it was cool to be
able to be in there. But you know, when you
got six hundred people surround and you don't really have
to worry about being scared, right, Mike, I definitely appreciate
the fact that you came on the show today. I'm

(01:01:53):
excited about your future episodes. Tell everybody how they can
find your podcast out there.

Speaker 6 (01:01:57):
Well.

Speaker 7 (01:01:57):
Pleasing Terrors is available wherever you would normally go to
listen to podcasts, on iTunes or if you're not an
Apple person, on a whole bunch of other different podcast sites.
And you can also find me on Facebook and Twitter
at Pleasing Tears, and on Instagram as well. I mostly
just on Instagram post photos nighttime photos of Charleston. But

(01:02:21):
I'm always pretty active on Twitter and Facebook, and you know,
perfectly happy to talk to anyone that wants to send
me a message or has any questions.

Speaker 5 (01:02:30):
You do post some pretty cool pictures, by the way,
some old buildings and stuff like that, so they're pretty enjoyable.
I like looking at that kind of stuff.

Speaker 6 (01:02:38):
Yeah, well, it's such a Charles.

Speaker 7 (01:02:39):
Downtown Charleston Stork District night is one of my favorite places,
and I just enjoy getting the chance to share little
glimpses of it since I get to enjoy it every night.

Speaker 5 (01:02:49):
Like I said, you know your podcast has quickly become
one of my favorites. I can't wait for the new episodes.
I'm urging everybody out there. If you haven't already listened
to Pleasing Terrors, download it. You'll be glad you did.
You'll be just like me. You'll be binging through every
episode and then waiting for him to put out more.
And you put this out. This is bi weekly, correct, Mike, Well,

(01:03:10):
more or less.

Speaker 7 (01:03:10):
I try to get out at least two a month.
It doesn't I've not been very good at keeping to
a strict schedule, but I do try to put out
two episodes a month.

Speaker 5 (01:03:20):
Awesome, guys, thank you so much for listening, and we
appreciate you allowing us to have great guests like Mike on.
If you like what you heard, that's just a sampling
of what the show is. His show is so much
more than what he was able to touch on today.
But I think it did give a good representation of
what the show is. If you found those stories interesting,

(01:03:41):
you'll love the podcast. Go download it, leave him a
good review, and help him grow this thing even bigger
than it already is. Mike, thanks for coming on, brother.

Speaker 6 (01:03:49):
Thank you so much. I really appreciate it.

Speaker 5 (01:03:51):
Oh, it ain't no problem. I'll look you up when
we get to South Carolina because I'm definitely coming down
there from some ghost tours.

Speaker 6 (01:03:55):
That'd be great.

Speaker 5 (01:03:56):
Thank you sir. All Right, everybody, now tell me Mike
is not a fun. How do you not want to
go listen to that show?

Speaker 8 (01:04:01):
Yeah? He was great. He's got some really cool stories.

Speaker 6 (01:04:05):
Now.

Speaker 5 (01:04:05):
I wanted to mention something I probably should have mentioned earlier. Originally,
this week we were supposed to have an interview with
Katie Stewart and she couldn't wrap up the filming that
she was doing on time to be able to do
the interview, but I'm actually going to have that for
next week's show. So I think you guys are really
like what she's got to say, and we'll talk about
some of the upcoming movies she's going to be in.
And she was in Overtime, which was a really good movie.

(01:04:29):
If you're into the horror genre, look that up. It's
available almost anywhere. But that was a really good movie.
She's been in a bunch of stuff and she's got
a bunch of cool stuff coming. The Wicked one has
just been released on you can get that on Amazon,
and that's probably her best movie to date and more coming.
So looking forward to talking to Katie next week. Yep.
And that's really all we got as far as this

(01:04:51):
week's show. A little bit short than usual, but we
still wrapped up over now. It's not too bad compared
to the old twenty minute days. Almost made it through
the whole show without throwing up in my mouth right
at the end.

Speaker 8 (01:05:06):
I like, I look forward to it, like everywhere.

Speaker 5 (01:05:09):
I like how that's a theme and it's like, you know,
the over and under, is he gonna do it before
we interview? After interview. That's great anyway. We love you guys.

Speaker 8 (01:05:18):
Yeah, we love you guys.

Speaker 5 (01:05:19):
We'll see you next week, boy Away. Glenn Miller, Pola songs.

Speaker 2 (01:05:26):
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Speaker 5 (01:05:38):
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