2042 curse of Bodie, The Monte Cristo Homestead & Katie Stewart

Jerry and Tracy talk about the curse of Bodie and Australia's most haunted house, the Monte Cristo Homestead. An interview with Katie Stewart.

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:01):
Hello, and welcome back to He'll Billy Horror Stories. Now
I know what you're all about to say, Tim, you
missed another episode and you will be correct. But Tim,
this is becoming a habit, and once again you would

(00:25):
be correct. But as always, I'll be making this up
to you all, which we will discuss here in just
a few moments. But first, just a quick reminder the
Hillbilly Horror Stories Halloween Special. It's coming up and we
desperately need more podcasts. You jump on board. This is

(00:49):
a great time to show off your podcast to a
good sized listener base. It doesn't matter what your format is,
just keep it on the theme of Halloween. Reach out
to me if you're interested. You can message me on
Facebook or in the group, or simply email me at

(01:10):
Tim Mullins at gmail dot com. That is t Im
m U l l I n s at gmail dot com.
I'll look forward to hearing from you all. Now I

(01:34):
had this idea and let me know what you think.
Jerry and I started up a little audio drama podcast
called Hillbilly Horrorhouse. Perhaps you've heard of it. We must
have started that four five years ago, and since it

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grew up to be its own podcast. Triple A's media
was born. Over the years, it grew and we put
out many stories since Hillvily Horror House. We put out
three seasons of Hibbly Horror House. We had a space
adventure called and Beyond, and we cannot forget our currently

(02:22):
running solo a Zombie Apocalypse, which is now on its
third season. So I had an idea, since Jerry helps
start all of this, I wanted to start rerunning Hillvily
Horror House from the beginning right here, one episode a

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week separate from the Hibily Horror Stories. So you would
get an episode of Hibbily Horror Stories and a separate
episode of Hibbily Horror House once a week or so.
What do you think We'll start with season one and
see where it goes from there, and we'll start that

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this week, So look for episode one of Hibby Whorehouse
in your feed. Now keep in mind this was our
very very early stages. None of us knew what we
were doing. I most certainly did not. I had never
edited a thing in my life, and I was learning

(03:31):
as I went. I had to teach myself, but it
did gradually get better. So keep that in mind as
you listen and please please be gentle with us. We
were new, weren't we? Natasha and John if you'll get

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to know those names. Now onto this week's episode, Jerry
and Tracy talk about the Curse of Body and Australia's
most hunted house, de Monte Crystal Homestead, and an interview
with Katie Stewart. And remember you are your worst enemy.
You will tear yourself down faster than anybody else, but

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you are also your biggest supporter. You will build yourself up.
You can do anything that you put your mind to.
Keep that in mind and enjoy the show.

Speaker 2 (04:46):
It's about to be your phone ride.

Speaker 3 (04:48):
Follow in law.

Speaker 2 (04:48):
Watch as we slip heaving normally, just hit the lights,
goose bumps, puff through the night, mixing, just a little
bit of twaining that girl show can't do a thing together.

Speaker 3 (04:57):
Here win thing.

Speaker 2 (04:58):
That's so hard Ano podcast, you won't ever chase He's
too here that he got the recipe. Sat on back
and listen in just some of the talking Histery Day.

Speaker 3 (05:08):
Welcome to your Billy Horror stories and your Jerry, Tracy,
Pauline Edgar told Menja.

Speaker 4 (05:22):
Good eight Hayden ready here from Brousse Valley South, Australia.
In Australia, you're listening to Hillbilly Horror Stories. Have a
great day and I don't get too scared.

Speaker 5 (05:41):
How's it going. This is Stana and Caitlin from Melbourne,
Australia and you're listening to Hillbilly Horror Stories.

Speaker 3 (05:49):
Hey, welcome to episode forty seven and Hillbilly Horror Stories.
My name is Jerry.

Speaker 5 (05:53):
Hey guys, how y'all doing?

Speaker 3 (05:55):
That? Would be Tracy.

Speaker 5 (05:56):
I figured they might know that by now to the show,
know that. Oh hey, I'm Tracy, Nice to meet you.

Speaker 3 (06:04):
What we're going to do tonight is something a little
bit different. And by that I mean not different at all.

Speaker 5 (06:10):
What the heck does that mean?

Speaker 3 (06:12):
I'm just kidding, But we got is you noticed the
intro was a little bit different because we had two intros.

Speaker 5 (06:19):
I know that was really cool.

Speaker 3 (06:21):
Both are from Australia and we're doing that for two reasons.
First and foremost, we would have just used the first one, Hayden.
I thank you for that, Hayden, for our Australian story
that we're doing second of all tonight. But I had
some help on that story by a longtime listener Dania
Lee Leeson, So I thought it would be cool to

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play her intro that we played. I think it was
the first or second one we did back when we
first started doing those intros a few months back. I
thought it'd be cool to just do both of them
if they're both Australian. Why she helped and through a
little inexcess in the middle.

Speaker 5 (06:55):
Oh yeah.

Speaker 3 (06:57):
We finished up with some kid rock Cowboy, which is
because we're going to do the first story tonight is
the Legend of Body, which is actually a cursed ghost
town nice, so I thought that would kind of fit
in there.

Speaker 5 (07:10):
You don't like some good kid rock anyway?

Speaker 3 (07:12):
That's right for everybody in the US, Happy fourth of July.

Speaker 5 (07:16):
Happy fourth of July, yo, And for.

Speaker 3 (07:19):
Everybody outside of the US, Happy Sunday, Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday.
Whenever you're listening to this.

Speaker 5 (07:25):
We don't know when your all holidays are.

Speaker 3 (07:28):
Well, we know you don't celebrate the fourth.

Speaker 5 (07:30):
So oh yeah, that's dumb. Oh wow, that's funny. I
don't even think about that.

Speaker 3 (07:38):
We're gonna do the shout outs in between the two
stories in between ers yep, and we have these are
actually longer stories. This could end up when it's all
said and done being our longest show night, so a
lot of people will be happy about that. With a
holiday coming up, you'll get plenty of time to listen.
So don't Bitchcripe and complain that we're not doing enough
longer shows, because this one's gonna be pretty long.

Speaker 5 (07:58):
I don't know what he's talking about.

Speaker 3 (08:01):
Also wanted to point out that we did put out
the Patreon episode, so that's out there if you're just
listening for some reason you missed it on the special
feed or on the Patreon page for the listener's episode.
Really cool stories on there. So that was fun.

Speaker 5 (08:16):
I'm really full, Okay, I just felt like saying that.
And I really didn't eat a lot today.

Speaker 3 (08:24):
I kind of think it did.

Speaker 5 (08:25):
I did not. I had a piece of cake and
a burger, that's all they had. Oh wait, I had
breakfast Frito.

Speaker 3 (08:30):
You get a breakfast Britta. You had a piece of cake,
You had a burger, You had a whole bag of
cotton candy, which, by the way, you shouldn't have had.

Speaker 5 (08:37):
Oh don't tell on me, I'm telling on you.

Speaker 3 (08:39):
Let me explain to you what happened. Guys. We went
to my grandson's birthday party. Our grandson's birthday party. But
it was a chucky cheese And at the end of it,
they brought out all these little bags of cotton candy
to distribute to the children. Mind you, I said, the children.

Speaker 5 (08:57):
I'm a children.

Speaker 3 (08:59):
They set them on the table. Well, because they didn't
get snatched up quick enough, Tracy just decided to take
one to start eating it. And then when my soon
to be daughter in law comes around and says, hey,
did Logan get his cotton candy, Tracy hides it under
the table in her lap and says, yes, he came

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and got it, which he did not come and get So,
just so you know what kind of person you're dealing
with on the other end of this microphone, she will
still cotton candy from a little uh child.

Speaker 5 (09:34):
Well, you threw me under the bus, so it all
evened out, and and I got his bag of cotton
candy back.

Speaker 3 (09:41):
Yeah, we did get to coton cotton candy back and
get another bag.

Speaker 5 (09:44):
I can't help it, he's slow, All right, let's.

Speaker 3 (09:49):
Jump into this. I don't know how many people have
actually heard the Curse of Body. I know a lot
of people have, but I think there's probably just as
many people, if not more than have heard about it,
and I think that's what really makes this a cool story.
And the second story we're going to do is the
Monte Cristo Homestead, which is actually the most haunted house

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in all of Australia. So we've got two good ones
for you tonight. Both of these should have been stories
on their own, but I felt like the last couple
of weeks maybe the show was just a little bit
shorter than I wanted them to be, so I thought
we'd make it up for you this week. So hopefully
that'll be sufficient for you guys. If not, what do
you want from me? All right, well let's jump into this.

Speaker 5 (10:33):
They want you not to throw me under the bus
about the cotton candy.

Speaker 3 (10:36):
I threw you under the bus and then I backed
over you.

Speaker 5 (10:38):
You did you run on me like three towns?

Speaker 3 (10:40):
I threw the bus driver oute and jump behind it
even though I don't know how to ride and drive a.

Speaker 5 (10:43):
Stick that well, well you shouldn't have said that on
the air.

Speaker 3 (10:47):
It's just it is what it is. This is an
open forum.

Speaker 5 (10:49):
Okay, go ahead with your story.

Speaker 3 (10:50):
I won't interrupt no more so body is actually the
largest unrestored ghost town in America. What does that mean?

Speaker 5 (11:01):
That means they want to leave it like it is
pretty much.

Speaker 3 (11:04):
So it means it's been maintained. Now they put in
like new windows, but they haven't touched the wood or
the exteriors. It's just been whatever it takes to keep
it from falling down. So that's what this is now.
It's in the Body Hills, east of the Sierra Nevada Mountains,

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seventy five miles from Lake Tahoe. Almost people know where
Lake Tahoe is or they've heard of Lake Tahoe.

Speaker 5 (11:30):
I'd like to go there one day.

Speaker 3 (11:31):
Man. That's fantastic. And it was designated as a National
Historic Landmark in nineteen sixty one. In nineteen sixty two
it became Body State Historic Park, and at that point
in time there was about one hundred and seventy buildings remaining.
These are still upstanding.

Speaker 5 (11:48):
You know, that's incredible.

Speaker 3 (11:49):
Well, it's gonna be really incredible when we get a
little later in the story, we'll talk about some other
parts of it. That's amazing. Why it is actually is
still standing now California official State Gold Rush ghost Town.
How about that that was pretty good. Actually, it's the
California official state gold Rush gold Town Good Jobs. I

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don't know how many of those there were, but weether
had to be playing because that's where most yeah, rush
was In eighteen seventy nine, it had a population of
five to seven thousand people and had over two thousand buildings.

Speaker 5 (12:22):
So that's that's a lot of building.

Speaker 3 (12:24):
Yeah. So when you consider there's only one hundred and
seventy left in nineteen sixty two, there's a lot of
buildings no longer there. Some say that in eighteen eighty
it was either the second or the third largest city
in California, and that goes a lot to say because,
like I said, at one time, there was absolutely nothing
there till the gold rush had and that's how big

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or how quickly grew, but only lasted a couple of years,
and then the gold rush kind of went away, and
so did everybody lived in the town. There's about two
hundred thousand visitors yearly to come by. And what most
people don't realize that it's just a little more of
a fun fact I thought out there. Winner is the
body has a cemetery right on the outskirts town and
a nearby mortuary was the only building that the town

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had that was actually made of brick, no kidding. It
was made of red brick and it was three layers thick.
And the cemetery included a miners union section, you know,
not miners like under eighteen years old, no.

Speaker 5 (13:22):
But like miners really miners. What I was nice though,
you said, miss why you got to judge me.

Speaker 3 (13:32):
There's a museum on Main Street that used to be
the miners Union Hall, and they would hold back in
the day, they would hold dances and plays and anything
of the concerts stuff like that. There was approximately one
hundred and ten buildings left today, so they've lost sixty
buildings since nineteen sixty one when they made it up
an official right, you know whatever. Many of the buildings

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that are left now have the original interiors, so that's
like whatever was left in it when people went away,
it's still all there. Oh wow. Yeah, so it's pretty cool.
Like I said, they're maintenanced. They put in some new
windows and stuff like that, but everything else is pretty
much the same as what it was now. The California

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State Parks Ranger station is also in one of the
original homes on Green Street, so yeah, that's for the
whole for the ho state. In two thousand and nine,
twenty ten, it was actually scheduled to be closed down
by California, but the state legislature worked out some kind
of a budget and was able to keep it going.
And now it's got its own little foundation that helps

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keep it going.

Speaker 5 (14:39):
Oh that's awesome.

Speaker 3 (14:40):
Yep. Now, if you come to visit Body, here's the deal.
Be careful, don't take anything back with you. This is
where the curse comes in. Oh, the Curse of Body says,
if you take something that's not yours, you're going to
be in for a lot of bad luck. Now, several
people a year mail back stuff that they actually took

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from Boding.

Speaker 5 (15:02):
Oh, because bad things started happening.

Speaker 3 (15:04):
Bad things started happening, and they send letters of apologies,
so much so that the park has assigned Terry Geisinger
to handle all of these claims. And she said that
she's actually got a book like a binder with these
letters that people send and it's about four inches thick.

Speaker 5 (15:20):
Oh, man, I would love to look at that.

Speaker 3 (15:22):
People have sent small things back, such as square nails,
which are kind of like if you don't know what
a square nail is it's kind of like the nails
that you would see on for railroads. Oh and then
the small ones, yeah, the big thick ones, well those
are spikes, but they make you'll see them in the
rayal ties. But it's also to put it in biblical terms,

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like you see the nails that they crucified Jesus with.
Those are actually technically square nails I don't like, so
they don't have the round heads on them. That's got
the You know, Now people send these things back, like
I said, and they'll send pieces of glass. There's a
lot of colored glass there from old bottles and stuff
like that from back in the eighteen hundreds of people

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will take these things even if they're busted, and now
they started sending them back. The one that she said
stands out the most was a man who's trying to
send back a piano.

Speaker 5 (16:18):
What how you just gonna take a piano?

Speaker 3 (16:21):
Well, she said, he was very emotional about it. He
said that years earlier. We're talking about before it was
in the state park, so we're talking over thirty years ago.
This guy and his brother, his their mom really loved
to play the piano. They didn't have the money to
buy her a piano. Well, they knew there was one
up in Bodie just sitting in a place that it
was nobody was using it, so they came down and

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took the piano.

Speaker 5 (16:45):
Okay, that's dumb. That's still not right.

Speaker 3 (16:47):
Bro, I didn't say it was right. That's what happened.
And starting the moment that they took the piano, I
shouldn't say, Pianne.

Speaker 5 (16:58):
Then were talking like me.

Speaker 3 (16:59):
He took. From the moment that they took the piano,
they started having all these misfortunes and stuff. They they
had numerous car wrecks and the family, they had death,
they had divorces.

Speaker 5 (17:12):
They just so So what you're saying though, even though
they are the one that took it, it affected everybody
around them, is what you're saying.

Speaker 3 (17:21):
Family, Oh dang. And the last straw was the man
who took it. His daughter was just diagnosed with leukemia. Oh,
and he just basically called him and looked said, you know,
I'm going to have this thing shipped back there. And
you know they told him that if you don't accept it,
I'll leave it in the parking lot. Yeah, because I'm
not going to have it anymore. And that's what he did.

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About two weeks later it showed up and they accepted
it back. Oh my god, this is a really old piano. Now,
four or five things a month come back, is what
they said.

Speaker 5 (17:54):
The equivalent is God, a bunch of thieves up in there.

Speaker 3 (17:57):
Even people that just don't believe in curses send stuff
back just in case. So they just don't like the Yeah,
well they just want to take the don't want to
take the chance, and they'll start having some little things
happen and they're like, well, I don't really.

Speaker 5 (18:10):
Believe it, but so did things start happen immediately after
they took it.

Speaker 3 (18:15):
Or not in some cases yet? Oh really Yeah, we'll
get into some of those. Like one lady said, if
she visited on August fifth and on August seventh, eighth,
and ninth, she had an extreme sinus infection. She had
to get a dem roll shot. August fourteenth, her son
dropped the bowl on her foot, which broke and then
cut her foot open. She had to go back in

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emergency room over that. August fifteenth, her daughter got stung
on the foot by a red aunt. She had to
go to the emergency room over that, and then she
decided that there was some glass that they had taken,
so she returned that back.

Speaker 5 (18:48):
Oh did she take it or did did she herself
take it or a family member take it?

Speaker 3 (18:54):
No, she took it. She took it as part of it,
So I mean it was But like, for example, this
is kind of ties into what you're saying. A lady
named Chrissa Gardner, her husband, and three kids went to
Bodie right, and she says, I don't believe in curses,
but I told every one of them, don't touch a thing,

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don't bring a thing back. And you know, from her
three kids and her husband, she made well aware you're
not to bring anything. And before they left, she even
made the kids, you know, empty their pockets out and
check everything, just to make sure that there wasn't in there.
And so they get home and then I'm thinking nothing
about it. Right before they leave, she tweaks her back

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a little bit, so she's like, okay, we'll go ahead
and go. My back's a little sore. It kept getting
worse to so much to the point where she ended
up going to the emergency room to get a shot,
a pain shot, and they decide that she to make
an appointment to her her doctor to get a checked out,
and it turns out that she had a disc that

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was out of rotation. So the doctor gave her basically
two valume and said, I want you to be really
relaxed because we're gonna do a procedure the next day,
but I need you to be really relaxed. Well, she
took the valume and she tossed and turned all night long.
She woke up and you know, she was in worst case.

Speaker 5 (20:24):
That didn't help her.

Speaker 3 (20:26):
It was way worse and she was in worse pain.
Her husband drove he to the er, and she actually
was one in two thousand people that had an opposite
reaction to value.

Speaker 5 (20:38):
Oh my god, are you kidding?

Speaker 3 (20:39):
So she actually recovered in the long run. Your backs
on the men's now. But during that time, her son
accidentally stabbed himself with his brother's allergy shot went straight
through his hand. Oh geez, she said, take him to
the hospital. Luckily, you know, didn't have any yeah, nothing, nothing.
Actually the medicine wasn't actually injected. Oh that's good, and

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to worry about that.

Speaker 4 (21:01):
And then.

Speaker 3 (21:04):
She gets home from from that of yard trip and
the husband actually tells her that he had taken.

Speaker 5 (21:10):
Some colored glass from there, that dirty dog.

Speaker 3 (21:13):
Yeah, and that night the daughter fell out of a tree.

Speaker 5 (21:18):
Oh no, you kidding.

Speaker 3 (21:20):
So there's three trips to the er in ten days.
Oh wow, she got you know. She she didn't want
to take any chances, and she sent it back to
him as soon as she could. Right next day she
sent stuff back.

Speaker 5 (21:29):
Well, her husband needed a beatn and eating.

Speaker 3 (21:32):
Fess up. It's like I said, some people are so
afraid of taking something back with them that they will
they'll take their shoes off.

Speaker 5 (21:42):
Well yeah, going to say, what if you have some
kind of dirt in your shoe? Does that even matter?

Speaker 3 (21:46):
I mean, I guess it probably does. I know a
lot of people are just afraid to take chances. So yeah,
they'll they'll dust their shoes off and all that. So,
I mean, I would think that they just got to
be careful in that situation, because you definitely don't want
to take something home with you back they end up
with a bunch of bad luck.

Speaker 5 (22:01):
Yeah, I don't think i'd want to, but I sure
we'd love to go see that place.

Speaker 3 (22:04):
So I'm thinking that the University of Louisville basketball coaching
staff maybe went there and brought a whole bunch of stuff.
They probably took, like, they probably brought several buildings back
and all kinds of glass.

Speaker 5 (22:16):
Yeah, they're having a little bit of bad luck, that's.

Speaker 3 (22:18):
For sure, a little stretch over the past two three months. Yeah, anyway,
enough about them. I don't want to run the show.
I'm sure now people are saying, well, what's the deal
with the curse? How did this happen? And tune in
next week, And I'm just laying now here's the story
in a nutshell.

Speaker 5 (22:38):
That's me in a nutshell. Sorry.

Speaker 3 (22:41):
Body was named after william S. Body. He came to
California eighteen forty nine. He obviously was all part of
the gold rush, you know, fever. You know, he was,
you know, wanting to come there, the whole thought of
discovering gold and having a better life and becoming rich
and and you know, this is about the time when California,

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especially San Francisco area was really booming with the gold rush.
Thus the San Francisco forty nine ers. In case people who.

Speaker 5 (23:11):
Didn't realize that that's true, you get out of here.

Speaker 3 (23:13):
That's why, that's why the forty nine ers are called
the forty nine ers.

Speaker 5 (23:16):
Oh my gosh, I don't know that the.

Speaker 3 (23:18):
Gold rush really took off in eighteen forty nine. Dang,
it's just we're just a cornucopia of knowledge.

Speaker 5 (23:24):
I seriously, I had no clue about that.

Speaker 3 (23:28):
So what he decided to do is obviously he was
on you know, over where everybody else was, and he
spent basically nine years, oh gosh, looking for gold, looking
for gold, and not having any love whatsoever. And he decided,
you know what, it's kind of tapped out over here,
So I think what I'll do is I'll go to
the eastern side, to the the Sierra Mountains. And that

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was a problem. He just didn't realize it was a problem,
but it was a problem. And the problem is because
the weather there is basically unforgiving. It's not like the Pacific.
The Pacific Ocean brings a lot of bad weather through
that part with it being up in the mountains. So
what you have is a combination of harsh winters and

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I'm talking twenty to thirty below zero really and wind
shills fifty to sixty below zero. Those of you that
use celsius, that is a code as hell.

Speaker 5 (24:28):
Oh yeah, that's like the ball's freezing off.

Speaker 3 (24:30):
Yeah, it's it's it's as cold as you can imagine, man,
And you know, so you got that. Then in summers
it gets in the nineties, but the heat in decks
it could be like one hundred and fifteen degrees.

Speaker 5 (24:44):
Isn't that the craziest weather ever?

Speaker 3 (24:45):
Yeah, they say that there's only about really about thirty
to sixty days out of the year where they have
normal weather. Oh gosh, there's not very many.

Speaker 5 (24:55):
How do you know how to prepare for that?

Speaker 3 (24:56):
You don't. That's the whole point. And this this weather
can change in an instant and that's really going to
play a big part in our story because, like I said,
they didn't realize it. But you know, he gets over
there and he teams up with a guy named Es Taylor.
Es Taylor was actually something like half Cherokee Indian, which

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in the eighteen fifties that really wasn't a good thing
to be, not being Cherokee, but being a minor that
was part Indian because the Indians, I'm sorry, Native Americans,
that'd be politically correct. We'll get a review on that.
The Native Americans didn't like the fact that the miners
were there. Because the miners didn't cherish to land. They're

(25:40):
just digging through whatever. They didn't care what happened to land.

Speaker 5 (25:44):
Oh that's not good.

Speaker 3 (25:45):
Well, obviously the Native Americans they cared before, of course,
So to see someone that was a miner but was
awesome also Native American, that was an issue for a
lot of them. Oh so that'll come to play a
little bit later too. I haven't said the funny thing
about that yet. No, I mean, I just remember I

(26:07):
got pointed out that I always say, Well, the funny
thing about that is, I haven't said that the host show.
That's good for you, Yeah, but I want I need
to work that in. Okay, it's kind of like my
calling card. And so he meets up with this guy, right,
and this guy's an experienced miner, and he didn't really
I guess he didn't really know body. But it's kind

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of like they just instantly became friends and started helping
each other. So these two are over here all by
themselves on this side of the mountain. There's nobody over
here looking, and you know, it's it's hot, it's muggy,
it's so humid, and you're higher up in the altitude here,
and so you're closer to the sun, the weather's center.

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You're closer to the sun. There's no trees or anything,
so it's like as hot as it could possibly be,
you know, so you had to constantly stay highydrated. And
what the problem was is they found gold in the stream.
That part wasn't a problem, but when they found it,

(27:12):
they got greedy.

Speaker 5 (27:13):
Well, and that the way well, sure, so.

Speaker 3 (27:17):
It's enough gold where they can actually stick a clan.
They planned on working all summer long and then lead
before winter hit. But as we discussed, the weather changes instantly,
and this is where their problem started running into. They
wanted to go another couple of weeks and get a
little more out of it, so they went to town

(27:37):
to get some supplies. It was about fifteen miles away
to the closest town. It's about a two days hike.
And they started out coming back a beautiful day, beautiful,
and just in a blink of an eye, it changed
to a winter blizzard. Oh my god, you're serious, white
out conditions. The wind blowing so strong that you couldn't see,

(27:57):
it was so cold. You were having trouble with even
being able to fill your extremities.

Speaker 5 (28:03):
How does that even happen like that.

Speaker 3 (28:05):
It's just craziness.

Speaker 5 (28:07):
Oh my gosh, I don't wouldn't want to live in
a place like that.

Speaker 3 (28:10):
So the vision was so bad that they actually got lost,
and they say that they wandered around for days. Well,
at this point in time, Body became exhausted and he
apparently wasn't in the greatest of shape anyway, and you know,
Taylor tried to carry him for a little bit, and
eventually Taylor just said, look, I can't do this or

(28:32):
we're both going to die, and let me go find
the cabin because they've been looking for their cabin. Let
me go find our cabin. Let me get some rest,
and I'll come back for you. So he actually lays
body down in the snow, covers him up in a blanket,
and says, I'll be back. This was like the fall,
This was like October. He gets back to the cabin

(28:56):
and he realizes he can't go back out, no way
he can go back out, and he just leaves body
there to freeze to death.

Speaker 5 (29:04):
Oh what a liar. Well, I mean, it was just
but I understand that in a way. But that's that's
so sad.

Speaker 3 (29:12):
So now we fast forward to May Oh my gosh,
it snowed basically all that time. Oh wow, so you
had to you had to go to all the way
to May before stuff started thrown out.

Speaker 5 (29:28):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (29:29):
Go, And that's basically when he was able to find
body's body.

Speaker 5 (29:34):
I can't believe he even found his body. How did
he even I mean, if he was so lost, how
could he even find his body?

Speaker 3 (29:40):
Well, here's the here's the here's the funny thing. He
said that he was only like three quarters of a
mile from the cabin. No, all that time they were
walking in all stuff, and they were only three quarters
of a mile from the cab. All that sucks. So
that ties in though most people I think that his

(30:01):
story sounded fishy, because you mean to tell me that
this guy left, he found that, he found the cabin,
and then he realizes that they're only like three quarters
of a mile and he didn't go back and grab him.

Speaker 5 (30:13):
So, oh you but you don't. So you think he
didn't realize or he did realize it and just didn't
want to because he wanted because he wanted to keep
all that firm out.

Speaker 3 (30:22):
Exactly what most people think that he wanted to keep
all the gold for himself, so Taylor. He continued to
mind the claim himself, but he kept a low profile
because he didn't want anybody to know. You know, they
got that gold over there. He took a job in
a nearby town. He was taking care of a ranch
and the and the rancher's livestock. He hadn't made very

(30:44):
much headway on any anything as far as making money
since body had passed away, and he definitely didn't come
anywhere near striking it rich. And that's kind of, you know,
what their their goal was. So he's got to still
work somewhere. One night he was attacked by a band
of payute Indians. Oh, he was m They busted into

(31:10):
the farm where he was the ranch they busted in,
and this was vicious. I mean they scalped him. Oh,
they beheaded him. Oh. And it was obvious by scalping
him and matterly that they were trying to send a message.
And once again, this could very well have been because

(31:30):
of him being part Native American. I think that was
really Uh. They I want to say they had an
extra grind. I guess that was probably place of words,
but realistically.

Speaker 5 (31:42):
But how did they know? I wonder?

Speaker 3 (31:44):
Oh, they didn't mean keep a track up.

Speaker 5 (31:46):
Oh, they've been tracking like that whole time.

Speaker 3 (31:47):
I'm sure. I mean they see where he goes and
what he's doing, and so it wouldn't have been that hard.

Speaker 5 (31:53):
Oh my gosh, what a horrorful. Oh that's just terrible.

Speaker 3 (31:57):
Now, most people will say that's what he gets. Well,
most people will say that was his just desserts. But
they will also say that this was the first case
a revenge of the body curse.

Speaker 5 (32:10):
So body cursing then, I guess.

Speaker 3 (32:12):
Yeah, Well, they feel like that body maybe was coming
back from beyond the grave to take revenge on somebody
that was taking something that was rightfully his.

Speaker 5 (32:21):
Well, of course, I mean he worked all the years
and stuff, so I.

Speaker 3 (32:24):
Mean obviously this is where it comes into what the
body curse is. Anytime somebody takes something that is not
rightfully his from body, they feel like that body reaches
out from beyond the grave to basically teach them a lesson.

Speaker 5 (32:43):
I mean, how do you feel about that? I feel
like that's the right thing to do.

Speaker 3 (32:47):
Sure, I mean I would like to be a vengeful ghost.
I mean, yeah, you know, that just sucks for him though,
because if I was a ghost and I could come
back and just teach people lessons like it. That's what
I'd want to do.

Speaker 5 (33:00):
Yeah, I still can't believe they took a piano.

Speaker 3 (33:04):
It was like twenty minutes ago.

Speaker 5 (33:05):
I know. But that's I mean, that's huge.

Speaker 3 (33:08):
Well it is huge, But there was like nobody there
at the heart of town at that time. There was
nobody on the Oh my.

Speaker 5 (33:13):
Gosh, my conscience would kill me.

Speaker 3 (33:17):
I can never if not body will.

Speaker 5 (33:19):
Well that's true.

Speaker 3 (33:20):
So let's talk about a little bit that happened afterwards.
So in eighteen seventy five, a huge amount of gold
was found there in Body. That's where everything put into play.
It became the huge town that it went because it
went from having nobody there to having what we say,
five to seven thousand people in eighteen seventy seven. They

(33:41):
named the town Body after the gentleman who found it. Unfortunately,
and this will tie into some of the stuff we
talked about earlier. You know, this was a very bad town.
When it was at its height, there was like something
like over one hundred and fifty saloons. Think about that
the world.

Speaker 5 (34:01):
You have one hundred and fifty saloons.

Speaker 3 (34:02):
Well, there was a lot of people there and they'd
go mining throughout the day and then at some point
in time they would get off work and then most
of them would just go out for a drink afterwards.

Speaker 5 (34:13):
I mean, did they just have like make shift tents
or do they have houses?

Speaker 3 (34:18):
This is where they had two thousand buildings at some point. Oh,
this is back when they were at the height. And
they said there was at least two shootings a week there.
Oh my god. So there's a lot of people who
died not just from the shootings but from the weather.
Because we just talked about how otherwise shoot and you know,
they said that people would walk out of the saloon

(34:38):
it would be snowing. They would walk out, they would
go into saloon, it wouldn't be snowing. They'd come out
it would be snowing, and they would actually get lost,
Oh wow, in the town and die.

Speaker 5 (34:49):
That's the craziest. Weather is so blinding, that is crazy.

Speaker 3 (34:55):
Everything dried up after a few years and that was it.
I mean it was like a two to three year deal.
That was it.

Speaker 5 (35:00):
And and you know what it got to be so
nobody found anymore what you're saying, they.

Speaker 3 (35:04):
Found gold, but it got to be where it was
too deep and it was too expensive to pull it out.
So most people say that once again, that's body actually making.

Speaker 5 (35:15):
Them say, look, you got your fresh, sure to get
the heck out.

Speaker 3 (35:18):
Yeah, you know, this is my claim, not your claim.
There's a lot of people there that would actually find
gold and somebody else would find out about it, and
then they would go kill that person so they could
take their claim. Once again, the body curse of.

Speaker 5 (35:32):
Yeah, well you don't need to be greedy, be thankful
what you found, and move on.

Speaker 3 (35:37):
So let's talk about some ghost sightings. There's all kinds
of different things that go on here. Children if you
go to the schoolhouse, are heard to be laughing and
joking when there's nobody else there. There is a strong energy,
I guess you could say in the area. There's people

(35:58):
when they get there, it's just like as soon as
they into the town, it just feels different different. Yeah,
it just got a different feel. You can hear footsteps
when you're in like one of the old buildings, and
you can't go into all these buildings. You can go
into some of them, but when you go into them
sometimes like in the back of the building, you can
hear footsteps from like boots, all of them because they

(36:21):
don't want people damage in what's.

Speaker 5 (36:23):
Already they're already there.

Speaker 3 (36:24):
Yeah, you can hear music, Well, I don't know, it's
probably not rap music either. I'm guessing it's probably like
you know, probably like the you know, in the middle
of Kid Rocks Cowboy.

Speaker 5 (36:39):
Yeah, piano, Oh yeah, yeah, I like that.

Speaker 3 (36:41):
Actually, there was one instance where a big time fund
raiser for the body Fund. I told you that, that's
why they raise the money now to keep it going.
She went into one of the houses I can't remember
the name of the house, and she was walking up
the steps and something pushed her from behind, like as
she was going up the steps. She didn't fall down
the steps, she was pushed up the steps, you know,

(37:03):
pushed up the steps basically, and she kind of.

Speaker 5 (37:06):
Looked around bysel I mean, dang, I fell up the steps.

Speaker 3 (37:13):
But she looked up and she just said, look, hey,
I'm just here visiting. I'm not planning on stains. And
then she said she got up and left, and they
had some kind of a fundraiser I guess the following year,
and the misguisinger that we talked about earlier, she asked her.

(37:33):
She said Hey, do you want to spend the night
or is a bunch of us going to spend the night,
And she said, hell no. Not only am I not
going to spend the night, I am never walking in
that house again.

Speaker 5 (37:42):
Oh id I wasn't either, So.

Speaker 3 (37:44):
That was pretty bad. Some believe that the curse protects
the town and it's a reminder of people that you
just don't take things that don't belong to It's meant
to just teach a good, solid lesson. The amazing thing
about the building I said was going to talk about
it is that these things are even still standing. By

(38:05):
all accounts by meteorologists and by architects and whatever. These
buildings shouldn't. The ones that are there should not be standing.

Speaker 5 (38:12):
Well, not with that crazy weather.

Speaker 3 (38:14):
Well most of them look like they're about ready to fall.
But I mean, you've got the super intense dry heat
in the summer, you've got twenty foot snow drifts in
a wintertime. You know, you've got hurricane type winds that
are hitting this and these buildings that are old and dilapidated,
and you know, one hundred and fifty years old roughly
are still standing.

Speaker 5 (38:33):
So what we need is material like that these days.

Speaker 3 (38:39):
So that right there is the story of body. What
do you think?

Speaker 5 (38:43):
I think that was a fun story and it was real,
Its real interesting, and it should teach you a lesson.
We're going to do a story so never just you
just never should take stuff that don't belong to you.
That's just terrible.

Speaker 3 (38:55):
Like people's cutting candy.

Speaker 5 (38:57):
Well, I knew you were going to say that.

Speaker 3 (38:58):
I thing it.

Speaker 5 (38:59):
I replaced it. Now if I get cursed by something,
I don't gonna feel really bad.

Speaker 3 (39:04):
I could you see you sitting there putting a bag
of cotton candy with an apology letter, sending it to
their house because it's a bad luck.

Speaker 5 (39:12):
Look, I honestly thought everybody had their cotton candy.

Speaker 3 (39:15):
You don't need cotton candy anyway, your dia.

Speaker 5 (39:17):
Why no, But I love it.

Speaker 3 (39:19):
It's lude Okay. I thought we would. I thought we
would save the shoutouts until this part of the show
kind of in between the two stories brim up a
little bit. Oh and I didn't mention this either. At
the end of the show, we have a very cool
interview with Katie Stewart. Yeah, Katie is a longtime friend

(39:41):
of ours. I told you a little bit about her
last show. She's the main star of The Wicked One,
which is a really cool movie. It's an old throw
back to the Michael Myers type movies, the slasher type films.
And it's taking me forever to get her on the
show because she's always.

Speaker 5 (39:58):
That, oh my gosh, she's always busy doing something.

Speaker 3 (40:01):
So we've got that the end of the show.

Speaker 5 (40:03):
She's ever been of probably what ninety pounds, but she
can kick your ass.

Speaker 3 (40:07):
Yeah she's five foot tall, yeah, and probably ninety pounds.

Speaker 5 (40:10):
Yeah, she's a sweetheart.

Speaker 3 (40:12):
Shout out first of all and foremost to the military
all over the world, no matter who you support. Absolutely
all the civil servants. And that's that goes from police
fire Oh yeah, ambulance drivers. I know EMS doesn't get
a lot of credit, and I want to make sure
they get their credit.

Speaker 5 (40:29):
Oh my gosh, I thank God for the MS. They
saved my mom's life and your life one time. And yeah,
God bless every one of you guys. We do appreciate you.

Speaker 3 (40:38):
I should put a picture of my shorts up there,
you know. That's great, leading profusely.

Speaker 5 (40:42):
I know that was really bad.

Speaker 3 (40:44):
Almost gout of my bran new shoes too. Oh here
is the shoutouts we've got. We did not have any
new patrons this week, so there's no shout outs for those.

Speaker 5 (40:57):
But we still love you though.

Speaker 3 (40:58):
No, absolutely, Oh my god. But I don't want to
point something out because I I'm not exactly sure that
everybody knows how this works. If for some reason, like
we put out two shows a month, we put out
one on the first, So we just put one out
yesterday that was a listener's story. So some of you
guys out there have told us their stories and we
bring you on the show and we let you tell
their stories and we interact with you.

Speaker 5 (41:20):
It's so fun.

Speaker 3 (41:21):
Yeah, it is one of the fun It is different
than what we normally do, but it's a whole show.
I think last night's show was like an hour and
ten minutes of nothing. That was four different listener stories.
And so you get that if you pledge three dollars
a month, if you pledge five dollars a month, you
get not only that show, but you also get a
show that we do on the fifteenth of the month,

(41:43):
and that is more like a regular show. Last month's
show we did some true crime, and we did some
haunted places and one that was true crime in Haunted
all at the same time. So we did that, and
those are going to be over an hour. Now, what
you may not realize is you can go in and
set up your donation now and you get these shows.

(42:04):
Like if you went in and heard this show and
you went into Pleasures the five dollars for Patreon, You're
going to get these shows automatically even though, but they
don't take the money until the first of next month,
So the money comes out on the first of the
next month. So you basically would get anything that comes
out this month for free. So if you do, if

(42:25):
you try it and you don't like it, you can
always cancel, of course, so I thought i'd bring it out.
I want to think Jackie gets for making a absolutely stunning,
beautiful ring that I gave to Tracy on her birthday.
We posted a video of her opening it up on
our Facebook page.

Speaker 5 (42:43):
Oh my gosh. I was so shocked about that ring
because I had seen a similar ring that I just loved.
But this one means so much to me because Jerry
and her both personalized it just for me and I
just I have shown it to a million people, one
one million, but I've shown it to a lot of people.

(43:04):
I'm so proud of that, and I can't thank you enough,
honey for doing that for me, because you always just
you're just amazing. You really are. You always are the
most thoughtful person, and you always do the most awesome
things for me, for every occasion and every day of
my life. So I just really want to thank you
for that because it meant the world to me.

Speaker 3 (43:24):
It's because I love you well.

Speaker 5 (43:25):
I love you too, Honey, and I really appreciate it,
and I really appreciate you taking the time out to
make that ring for me. I will cherish it forever.

Speaker 3 (43:34):
I also want to thank Tina Ahller. I don't know
whether it's older or Aller. I think it's Aller. But
she went to Alcatraz and took a tour and she
sent us a nice little package that has her one
of her original tickets to it and some little flyers
and stuff like that. From it. She sent us a
bunch of pictures from al Capone outfitting for the time,

(43:56):
the al Capone's jail cell and all that.

Speaker 5 (43:59):
Oh, how fun and have fun. Good for her.

Speaker 3 (44:01):
We appreciate it.

Speaker 5 (44:02):
Yeah, we appreciate everything you guys do. I mean, I
swear we just love you all to death and you
just touch your hearts every day. I'm not trying to
get sappy or anything, but you guys really do mean
the world to us.

Speaker 3 (44:13):
Too late, I also wanted to throw a podcast I
guess suggestion out there to you know. This is going
to be a little different than what I normally suggest
to you guys. This is more of a drama. They're
twenty thirty minutes long, and it's a fairly new podcast
out there. But the woman who runs it is an

(44:34):
absolute sweetheart, and I started listening to it a little bit.
It's a kind of like a throwback to the old
radio days where they would actually just come on and
you got the acting and stuff. It's like a play
but over the radio. And these, like I said, they're
about twenty or thirty minutes. They're each one separate and
it's really cool. But it's called twelve chimes. It's midnight,
oh neat, So give that a listen and help her out.

(44:57):
She's just getting started, and apparently she's got a significant
other that basically told her that it's such a small
genre of that nobody would really be interested and she
wouldn't get more than a couple of hundred listens to
it whatever, and I think I think we should prove
them wrong. So yeah, subscribe, give it a couple of
lessens and see if you just give it a chance
if you like it. But it is different than what

(45:17):
we normally do. But it's it's pretty cool.

Speaker 5 (45:20):
I kind of like it, so all right.

Speaker 3 (45:23):
iTunes reviews, there was a ship Ton this week.

Speaker 5 (45:27):
I like that word actually, so Jimbo from.

Speaker 3 (45:30):
Indy Go Coats appreciate it. Yeah, Bluer Eyed Devil, Alex
Archie Hillbilly, I'm assuming that's a priine Arkansas hill Billy,
four hundred pound gorilla. Adriana MG from San Antonio, Ox
Cartwheel also on his Aja yep. Justin Rocks almost a princess.

Speaker 5 (45:54):
Keep trying, you'll get there, bab you are a princess already.

Speaker 3 (45:58):
Fisher Dan sixty six, Dan kim KOs seventy seven, Cat
Girl in Vermont, and Buddy Lee forty one. Thank you guys,
Oh my gosh, you guys are awesome. And I mean
these were some awesome reviews. Well, one of them wasn't
awesome really. Yeah. One of them basically said that they
like the older shows.

Speaker 5 (46:18):
And I guess about me. It's okay, I'm getting used
to it. I'm getting tough, y'all. I'm starting to take
this out right now. We appreciate all your reviews. I mean,
if they're negative, hey, that's fine too. We want to
improve on our show, and we're you know, whatever we
need to do, we'll do. We love you guys speak
other way.

Speaker 3 (46:37):
So we probably do need to get Ricky back on
a show.

Speaker 5 (46:39):
So I know we do need to get Ricky back
on here.

Speaker 3 (46:41):
Maybe we get him on one of the bonus episodes
or something.

Speaker 5 (46:43):
Yeah, that would be awesome.

Speaker 3 (46:45):
Okay, let's jump into our second story. This one will
probably freak some of you out. It's a combination of
stuff that's all over the map. It's almost hard to
believe that so much stuff, tragedy wise can happen in
one house, especially when it's all over the map. And

(47:05):
you'll see what we're talking about. But what we're going
to tell you about is the Monty Crystal Homestead. Now,
before this, I had only heard of the Monty Crystal sandwich.

Speaker 5 (47:16):
I was gonna say, that's the stuff they put powdered
sugar on.

Speaker 3 (47:18):
Which how in the world you can have a sandwich
they put powdered sugar on. It's beyond me. That's it's
not a damn funnel cake.

Speaker 5 (47:27):
I don't care. I'll eat it.

Speaker 3 (47:29):
You have eaten it. That's where I knew where it
was from.

Speaker 5 (47:31):
I know what did what's his name say?

Speaker 3 (47:35):
Oh?

Speaker 5 (47:36):
The Briton guy with the no I don't know chef.
Oh my god, yeah, Gordon Ramsey. Remember, I'm sorry, y'all,
the Breton guy. I don't even know where that came from.

Speaker 3 (47:53):
I'm gonna send Gordon a message and say, hey, my
wife loves you because you're the Briton guy.

Speaker 5 (47:58):
Oh my gosh. Well you know what I'm saying. Remember
remember when he got that sandwich that time at the restaurant.
He's like, what the hell is this? He puts powdered
sugar on a sandwich?

Speaker 3 (48:05):
Oh? Is that what it was? Yeah?

Speaker 5 (48:07):
It was one of those. Sorry, but it's still powdered sugar.

Speaker 3 (48:10):
Good.

Speaker 5 (48:10):
I mean, it's just good anyway.

Speaker 3 (48:12):
Sorry, it goes right with your cotton candy. I know,
maybe you can steal some of that from one of
our other grands.

Speaker 5 (48:16):
I know, well maybe I can. Maybe I should could
eat now that shit.

Speaker 3 (48:19):
Okay, go ahead, Okay, so the money, Crystal Homes said,
And I want to again thank Dana Leek Leeson for
helping us out with this story. She's a sweetheart. And
she got mad at me earlier this week for she
thought I was being smart to her because she said
she thought she thought we were gonna do this story
like two weeks ago, and she told me that we
put it off the last two weeks. I'm like, no,
it wasn't scheduled yet. I think when I when I

(48:40):
said that, because you know how stuff comes across different
text and I put out that I put out that
list of stories that we're doing with all the day,
it's like six seven weeks in advance. And when I
told her that it was basically not scheduled yet, I
think she thought I was just trying to be a
smart elect to her.

Speaker 5 (48:58):
Well, let me tell you a little fact here, honey,
he can be a smart ass a lot. So yeah,
but he means well so yeah.

Speaker 3 (49:08):
But she knows I love her, So yeah, we've all
patched it up. We're good. Let's talk about this place.
It's pretty cool to two story late Victorian manor in Juni,
New South Wales, Australia, and that's in Australia. Yeah, yeah,
it's in the Austria. Guy now gos But it sits

(49:32):
on a hill overlooking the town. Originally, it was built
in eighteen seventy six, and I say that because it
was an original house was built in eighteen eighty five.
They built another house in front of it, which is
where all the tragedy happened. The house that they built

(49:52):
behind it ended up becoming the servants' quarters, and it
ended up which was the original house at the servants
quarter and eventually ended up being a place where he
kept horses. So and by he, I mean Christopher William Crawley.
He's the gentleman that built the house. Crawley used used
to kind of fund the projects and loan money to
people because back in this day over in that part

(50:16):
of Australia, it was such a small town that the
government thought it was too big of a risk to
try to loan money to people, and there were no
government programs to help people. So these people would want
to move their family into the town and they would
come to him and pretty much beg for money. Yeah,
most people won't get that.

Speaker 5 (50:34):
Oh, yeah, we should watch the profits.

Speaker 3 (50:37):
And the profits of TV show in America where people
a guy uses as the Marcus Lamonas uses his own
money to help struggling businesses. But yeah, theoretically, if anybody
was SAT seven actually got that would be but so Crawley,
he would actually help people out, like and help them
get started. Now, I told you that the original homestead

(51:00):
a little bit, and on the new house the walls
were actually eighteen inches thick with twelve foot talls ceilings.

Speaker 5 (51:07):
Wow.

Speaker 3 (51:08):
Yeah, that's a little thick. That's all scary type. Hey,
we want this to be soundproof.

Speaker 5 (51:13):
Oh my gosh.

Speaker 3 (51:14):
I'd imagine, as Dana pointed out, it was probably freezing
in the wintertime because you could imagine that there's no
heat getting getting into it or out of it. And
at eighteen inches thick, I mean it's that's extremely thick
for a house.

Speaker 5 (51:27):
Well yeah, but in the in the wintertime though, if
they have heat in the house, it ain't gonna escape.

Speaker 3 (51:32):
Well, they probably don't have a lot of heat in
the house, considering it was you know, well it had seventy.

Speaker 5 (51:38):
Still burning stoves.

Speaker 3 (51:41):
So why is the House of Honted I don't know,
you tell me. Mainly because several people died there, including
the Crawleys.

Speaker 5 (51:50):
Oh gosh, no, Kidney.

Speaker 3 (51:52):
Well, mister Crawley died in nineteen ten from blood poisoning.
He died in the house in his bedroom. And Missus Crawley,
but she didn't die until twenty three years later, in
nineteen thirty three, but she died in the house. Also,
supposedly there's ten ghosts that are in that house. Now

(52:15):
that's going let me tell you a little bit of background.
I'm gonna jump around a little bit. The house stayed
vacant from most of the fifties and early sixties, and
when that happened, it was kind of a setup just
for vandals and teenagers and stuff like that just come
up and just kind of make some ruins of it.
So the house went in all that greater shape. Now

(52:36):
Reginald Ryan and his wife they actually moved in in
nineteen sixty three, and they're the ones who are saying
that there's approximately ten ghosts announce and the ten ghosts
they say are the Crawleys. There are three children, and
the rest were people who worked on the premises. So
that's supposed to be who people are. Now. Missus Ryan,

(53:00):
who now owns the house, and like I said, they've
lived there since nineteen sixty three, so they've been there
for over forty some ideas. Yeah, they said that they
knew that something was up as they were coming in
from a distance, you know, riding in, you could see
the house up on the hill and they said it
was all lit up, which normally wouldn't be Yeah, that situation,
except there was no electricity in and it was only

(53:22):
one kerosene heater or one kerosene and it wasn't on.
Oh my gosh, but that was the first time. Now,
his wife, missus Ryan, she thinks that she had a
past life in that house because she said when she
got into the house the very first time, it's like
she knew everything about it.

Speaker 5 (53:40):
Oh, how weird.

Speaker 3 (53:41):
So we could have put her on the Past Lives episode.
We had a couple.

Speaker 5 (53:43):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (53:45):
The first official death happened when the Crawley's nanny dropped
her ten month old baby Ethel down the staircase. Oh.
The maid was distraught for the whole rest of her life.
But she swear that in invisible force knocked the baby
out of her hand.

Speaker 5 (54:03):
Oh my gosh.

Speaker 3 (54:05):
Yeah, sad, that is very sad.

Speaker 5 (54:07):
And to have to live with that all that time.

Speaker 3 (54:10):
Yeah, people say that you can feel evil presence when
you get anywhere near those that staircase. Little kids become
like really agitated when they're anywhere near that area. Wow.
So that was the first official death. The second official
death was mister Crawley died in nineteen ten of blood poison.
He was sixty five years old at a time. Some

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years later, a pregnant woman died in the same bedroom
that mister Crawley died. In a matter of fact, they say,
I think by all accounts, most people assumed that it
was some type of a botched abortion. Oh, that she
died from.

Speaker 5 (54:47):
That's terrible.

Speaker 3 (54:49):
Now, after mister Crawley's death, Missus Crawley spent the rest
of her life mourning his death. She had a room
that was more or less a chapel for lack better terms,
and she would spend all of her time in there
rather than throughout the house. And over the twenty three
years that she lived after that, she only left the

(55:12):
house twice. What she only left the house twice when
she died she was ninety two years old.

Speaker 5 (55:19):
Well, that's the craziest thing I've.

Speaker 3 (55:20):
Ever heard we're going to talk about Harold Steele. Now
this isn't a death. There's more death coming. Harold Steele
was probably the most unique situation. I told you we're
going to bounce all over the place and tragedy. Harold
was a mentally disabled guy. He was supposedly from everything

(55:42):
that I've read, he wasn't born that way. But there
was a carriage accident at some brain dams and a
lot of people say that he was actually the son
of mister Crowley. Oh, that he had an affair with
one of the servants.

Speaker 5 (56:00):
Mister Crowley did.

Speaker 3 (56:01):
Yeah, mister Crawley, I said, Crowley, mister Crawley, Oh okay.
But what happened was his mom was a caretaker there, okay,
and she basically kept him chained up to a wall
in her cottage for forty years. Forty years, come on now,

(56:21):
forty years.

Speaker 5 (56:22):
Oh, buss is heart.

Speaker 3 (56:24):
They said that that if if you unchained him that
he'd like basically just ran around the streets like a
wild man.

Speaker 5 (56:30):
Wow, I guess so.

Speaker 3 (56:31):
So they changed him up to it. This is like
a dairy area, that is what it was, therri Are
dairy area. Oh, but I could see where there are there. Yeah,
this is they had a dairy on the farm and
this was in that area where her cottage was.

Speaker 5 (56:45):
I mean, I can't even imagine being chained up for
forty years. How does he even know how to do anything.
He probably don't know how to walk or anything. But
that mean heifer.

Speaker 3 (56:58):
They ended up you know, his mom and well, first
of all too, I'm gonna jump around again. This is
kind of where the first tales of the house been
Haunted came from, because he would make these moaning and
sounds that sounded kind of like a ghost, and kids
and teenagers would come by there and they would hear
him back from the dairy area making those noises. So

(57:20):
they said that the house was haunted. Yeah, and in
reality it was him. What ended up happening is they
went a couple of weeks without seeing his mom in town,
and then there was some mail and stuff that didn't
get picked up. Okay, so they decided to go ahead,
and when they got there, they found Harold actually kind

(57:44):
of cuddling her body. She had been dead for a
couple a couple couple weeks, maybe several days. He was
really bad, malnursed, but he was sitting there basically crying
over her body. After well, he's got to hate disabilities.
He don't realize what's going.

Speaker 5 (58:03):
On, and they'll see those That was all that he had.

Speaker 3 (58:06):
I know, but he like I know, he treasured her.

Speaker 5 (58:10):
And after what she did to him.

Speaker 3 (58:13):
It's said, it really is. And what's even more sad
is that kids had been coming up her trying to
throw food to him, but it was all just out
of his reach. They were too scared to come up
close to him, but they were throwing food to him
and it was out of his reach. So they came
up and they got him. They took him to an

(58:33):
institution where he died shortly after. Oh he did.

Speaker 5 (58:38):
That's the saddest thing I've ever heard.

Speaker 3 (58:41):
It was sad.

Speaker 5 (58:42):
I mean, I mean, to live through all that and
then get out of there where you can maybe at least,
and then to pass away. Life sucks.

Speaker 3 (58:52):
There's more death involved. There was a maid that supposedly
jumped to her death. She landed on the front doorsteps.
The locals say that she was pregnant with Crawley's baby.

Speaker 4 (59:04):
This guy warn.

Speaker 5 (59:07):
Punchm in his nuts. Now.

Speaker 3 (59:09):
A lot of other people say that a ghost pushed
her out the window because there apparently is a lot
of different cases were just like the maid to drop
the baby said that something knocked it out of her hand.
There's all kinds of people even today saying that people push,
touch while they're in the house. So that's what some

(59:30):
people think now regardless of how she fell, she fell
over twelve feet or twelve feet from the balcony. She
landed on the steps. It's nice rounded steps, you know,
onto the entryway there, and she broke a bunch of
the vintage towels that were there, and most of them
were still cracked and still there. But there's a huge

(59:57):
white spot on the steps if you ever look at
any pictures. And we're going to post some of these
pictures on Facebook because Dana gave us some cool ass
pictures of the cemetery, Like we got a picture of
their baby Ethel, the tombstone, tombstone and stuff from there.
So I'm gonna post all these on Facebook. But there's
a huge spot, white spot there because back then they

(01:00:19):
would use pure bleach to clean blood up. Where they
cleaned the blood up, there's still a huge bleach spoke.
Now we're going to talk about another very disturbing death
there Led Morris. Led Morris was a young boy. I'm
not exactly sure what his agent was. I couldn't seem
to find out anywhere I looked. He didn't get up

(01:00:41):
for work one day because he just said he didn't
fill up to it. His boss thought he was bs
and he decided that he wasn't sick. And to prove
that he wasn't sick, he set fire to the boy's
straw mattress.

Speaker 5 (01:00:59):
What the hell.

Speaker 3 (01:01:01):
Apparently he was that sick because he couldn't get up
and he burned to death.

Speaker 5 (01:01:05):
Oh my gosh.

Speaker 3 (01:01:11):
Nineteen sixty one, there's a caretaker by the name of
Jack Simpson. There's a bunch of different caretakers all through
the years before they moved in, because this is sixty one,
and keep in mind the Ryan's actually bought the house
in sixty three, so this was a couple of years before.
But Jack Simpson, he was shot to death by a
young man, youth who had seen Psycho three times in

(01:01:34):
that day the movie cycle from Alfred Hitchcock. I said,
Albert his brother, but he'd seen Cyco three times. He
went and he shot him to death. And then he
actually wrote died. Jack die on the door. He scratched

(01:01:55):
it on the door, and you can actually faintly still
see that today. I had a picture of that outpost too,
needless to say. And all Jack did was open the door.
He went up there purposely to do this. He opened
and Jack opened the door, and he just shot him
with death right there, needless to say, and then just
shocked by the altcohol.

Speaker 5 (01:02:14):
I can tell he barbed twice, oh three times.

Speaker 3 (01:02:18):
Needless to say. They had trouble getting caretakers after that,
so nobody wanted to become the caretaker up there. In
sixty three, obviously the Ryan's about the house. They completely
remodeled it. So now it's it's a beautiful work of art.
Because remember I said it several years back in with
their vandals and everything took place of it.

Speaker 5 (01:02:36):
Dang, that was a that was a dark story.

Speaker 3 (01:02:39):
Well we're not done yet. Oh my gosh, there's darkness.
So to this day they give tours, the Ryans give
tours and stuff out there all the time. That's that's
one of the things that they do. But to this
day there are feelings of sadnesses, sadness, sadnesses, there's feelings
of sadness and certain room, certain rooms just going to

(01:02:59):
you just feel I'm very depressed.

Speaker 5 (01:03:01):
I feel depressed already.

Speaker 3 (01:03:03):
In some rooms you have trouble breathing. There have been
animal mutilations on site. Animals just show up mutilated. Nobody
knows exactly what happens. People see apparitions not only in person,
but in pictures. They see sights of mister Crawley and

(01:03:24):
Missus Crawley. There was actually a movie done, I'd say,
I think it was two thousand and twelve called The
Mirror House. It was kind of like a fake documentary,
but it was done, actually shot it in that house.
And the director I got named tanzy Roshan Rasham. He

(01:03:45):
said that the very first night of filming that he
was up in a room and he turned around and
there was mister Crawley's ghost, Oh, sat at the doorway,
just staring at him. So he said he hurried and
ran down the steps. But he said he didn't tell
anybody because he still had a movie. He had film.

Speaker 5 (01:04:01):
Yeah, he's scared.

Speaker 3 (01:04:02):
Boddy Off now, the the main star of the film
God about the name of Lane McDonald. He says that
he saw all kinds of stuff he could feel when
he was sleeping in the bed because he spent four
nights there. He said he could feel people tugging at
the blankets. You could hear stuff, chairs would move, he
could hear voices.

Speaker 5 (01:04:23):
So he was brave.

Speaker 3 (01:04:26):
So that is our story.

Speaker 5 (01:04:27):
Dang, that was that was a really great story. But man,
I'm like thoroughly depressed. Now, that's sad. That's really bad.
People back in the days, they are they are hardcore.

Speaker 3 (01:04:40):
I mean, I can't imagine. I can't imagine a point
where it's like, I think you're fake and being sick.
I think I'll set your bed on fire, Jesus. I mean,
it's just what goes through somebody's head. I mean, you
just think about let's break this down. Think about this story.
You've got it. You've got a ten month old baby

(01:05:00):
being dropped down the steps and killed. You've got a
caretaker shot to death for no reason whatsoever. You've got
Missus Crawley who never left the house really in twenty
three years. You've got a maid who jumped out to
her and killed herself that may have been pregnant. You've

(01:05:21):
got another You've got the kid that was burned to death.
The stable kid that was burned to death just by
somebody trying to, you know, prove a point. And then
you've got the steel Harold Steele who was chained up
for forty years, his mom dying there, and then eventually

(01:05:42):
you know, him dying shortly after. Yeah, all this in
one place, now, who so, yeah, you could you could
understand why the place is so haunted.

Speaker 5 (01:05:51):
Yeah, that's that's the awfulst thing. I don't even think
that's a word. Awful list is not a word.

Speaker 3 (01:05:57):
I'll give you a break on that one.

Speaker 5 (01:05:59):
Oh thank you.

Speaker 3 (01:06:00):
That was playing scrabble.

Speaker 5 (01:06:01):
That shit wouldn't know it, that would not fly with it.
That was very disturbing.

Speaker 3 (01:06:08):
So there we go. I think what we're gonna do
is go ahead and play the interview now with Katie. Now,
I'm gonna tell you ahead of time there was some
noise in the background, a little bit of hammering going on. Overall,
it's still, I think, very listenable, but I just want
to tell you that we do know the hammerings out there,
and she is so busy that I didn't want to

(01:06:30):
take the chance of trying to set something up later,
so we just went with it. But I think you'll
find it's really not that bad, so we are aware
that's in the background, and let's give Katie a listen.
It's with great pleasure that I welcome my next guest,
Miss Katie Stewart, is an up and coming actress in
the horror genre. She's really starting to hammer down these

(01:06:50):
big rolls that are coming her way. And I've had
the pleasure to know Katie for roughly five or six years,
and I'm kind of excited about having her on. I
probably should have had it already before now, but she's
got such a tough schedule it's hard to actually get
an interview with her. Katie, please welcome to the show.

Speaker 6 (01:07:07):
Thank you, thank you for having me.

Speaker 3 (01:07:09):
I guess I should give a little bit of background
about how you and I know each other. Roughly five
years ago, we worked for an internet television station. Katie
had a show on, I had a show on, but
we would come to these production meetings, so we got
to know each other, and we also had some events
that we would do. We did a zombie walk in Louisville,
which was really cool, and then we had a cancer benefit.

(01:07:33):
It was a bunch of rock bands getting together to
try to raise money for cancer, and man, that day
it was freezing outside. We just basically had to kind
of huddle together just to kind of keep warm, and heck,
you can't help but to get to know each other
when you have to do that. But that's kind of
how we go back and forth. But it's funny during it.
The whole time, I never really asked Katie about her acting,

(01:07:56):
how long she's been doing it, what made her get
into us. I thought, right now would be the perfect
opportun tell me a little bit about how you got
started in acting.

Speaker 7 (01:08:04):
Well, ever since I.

Speaker 6 (01:08:05):
Was little, I've always, you know, wanted to wanted to
be in front of cameras.

Speaker 7 (01:08:12):
Whether it was pictures or whatever it was. I've always
wanted to entertaine people.

Speaker 6 (01:08:18):
And I was raised on the classics from the eighties
and the nineties. You know, Freddie, Halloween, you know all
those different wives, and I just always, I always loved
the horror films because not only because I love the
excitement that you get from them and the thrill and
the chase that you get from them, but I always

(01:08:38):
envisioned seen in one because I always wanted to be
the chick that was running in the forest, but not
the way, or that didn't run up the stairs instead
she actually ran out the front door and survived, you know,
because so many of those they do stupid things, and
I would watch them and just say I would do

(01:08:58):
something so much martyr than that. Let me show you
how to debt, you know, And I just I love
I've always been big on drama anyway, So like drama
and horror in a.

Speaker 7 (01:09:11):
Lot of ways they kind of go together.

Speaker 6 (01:09:14):
And so I just really found a knack and in
being out being able to bring that emotional side of
the fear and the drama.

Speaker 7 (01:09:23):
That it that it takes for horror felts. Plus I
just love them. I like I like the Door.

Speaker 3 (01:09:30):
So let me ask you this, and I'm pretty sure
I already know the answer to this. What is your
favorite horror movie?

Speaker 6 (01:09:40):
My My favorite is always going to be Well, I
Have I Have Two Aliens is probably my number one,
top all time.

Speaker 7 (01:09:51):
You know, horror film.

Speaker 6 (01:09:53):
But it's also one of my all time.

Speaker 7 (01:09:55):
Favorite movies anyway.

Speaker 6 (01:09:56):
But as far as just the horror, the horror genre
franchise side with the Halloween, I've always loved Michael Myers
the Halloween franchise.

Speaker 3 (01:10:05):
I think I kind of already knew the answer to that,
because it seems like every time I see your Facebook
status and has something to do with your watching Aliens.

Speaker 6 (01:10:12):
Oh yes, I love the Aliens.

Speaker 3 (01:10:14):
I think you're the only person I know that can
actually wear out a DVD.

Speaker 6 (01:10:19):
Totally by another one of them wear that one out too.

Speaker 3 (01:10:22):
So I'm looking at your IMDb page right now. In
my goodness, I mean this thing, you've got fifty different
credits in here. As far as like acting, whether it
be movies or commercials or short films, I mean, you
are a busy little bee. But one thing that catches
my attentions is you want a bunch of awards too,
But one of them is for best fight Scene. Tell

(01:10:44):
me a little bit about about the award for best
Fight Scene.

Speaker 6 (01:10:49):
Yes weekend, that was for a film festival and I
had a fight scene that I actually mister Dale Miller.
It was a very phenomenal actor as.

Speaker 7 (01:11:03):
Well as choreographer.

Speaker 6 (01:11:05):
He choreographed the whole scene and it was between me
and him, and it was about a two minute long
fight me. I mean, there was a lot of different
stuff in it, and that was really one of the
first major, you know, stunt fight type things that I
had done and we won. We won the the best

(01:11:26):
for it, We won the award for it. So that
was that was really fun. Not only was it fun
to do it, but it was fun to win the
award because it was kind of like, see, y'all, people
think I'm so small and I can't do anything.

Speaker 7 (01:11:38):
Look, I just want an award for fighting.

Speaker 6 (01:11:40):
So you know, it made me feel good.

Speaker 3 (01:11:43):
Yeah, for anybody who doesn't know you, you're every bit
of what like five foot tall.

Speaker 5 (01:11:49):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:11:49):
I want to take time talk about a couple of
your movies that you've been in.

Speaker 5 (01:11:53):
Now.

Speaker 3 (01:11:53):
The first one I want to talk about was probably
at this time, your biggest break, which was Overtime. Now,
you got to work with Al Snow in that movie.
Tell me a little bit about how you felt about
the opportunity for that movie and what was it like
working with Al Snow.

Speaker 6 (01:12:09):
I was completely blessed to be a fit to have
been a part of that film. That film did a
lot for a lot of us in the in the
area that you know that had done some stuff that
hadn't really been able to say that we've done.

Speaker 7 (01:12:24):
A real knockout type of films.

Speaker 6 (01:12:27):
So I did a lot for several of us that
were in it. Working with alf Snow was a was
comical every time I was around him. Al is one
of the funniest, yet sweetest and most people you'll ever meet,
and we are still very close friends to this day.

Speaker 7 (01:12:47):
In fact, I was just in his wedding on Friday night.
So yeah, So he's He's wonderful to work with.

Speaker 6 (01:12:55):
And I mean that whole cast, everybody that was there,
the ones that I hadn't met yet, or the ones
that I hadn't already known but wasn't that close with.
Butt In this way, the whole cast, we became a family,
to the point that we all are still family. We
all still hang out average once a month.

Speaker 7 (01:13:17):
We all see each other, we all still.

Speaker 6 (01:13:19):
Work together on other projects. You know, it was it
was working on that film and working with that company,
which was pot Play Studios, was a blessing and by
far one of the best, not only one of the
best films that I've done, but one of the best
times I've ever had.

Speaker 7 (01:13:40):
So it was great.

Speaker 3 (01:13:41):
I'll tell you what I'll say this about Alice. No,
he's one hell of a lucky guy himself, because he's
always surrounded by beautiful women in these movies. He had
you in this movie, and then he's acted with Chanel
Ryan who's been on the show, in a movie up
in Connecticut that they did together. So I would be
willing to trade places with him at any point in time.

Speaker 7 (01:14:01):
That's true in a lot of ways, that's true.

Speaker 3 (01:14:04):
Let's move on to the next movie that I want
to talk about, Revelation Trail. It had Daniel Van Thomas
in it and had a pretty cool plot to this one.
Tell me a little bit about that one.

Speaker 6 (01:14:15):
Yeah, Revelation Trail was a Western zombie film shot back
in you know, older days, obviously Western. That was a
lot of fun because number one, I had never done
a Western before, so I got to wear you know,
the western get up and and I had you know,
a shot shotgun and the old Western styles small pistols,

(01:14:39):
and that was that was fun to do because I
got to actually fire the weapon, I got to fight
a little bit in that one, and just the genre
we actually shot up in. I can't remember the name
of the town or the name of the actual you know,
uh Western town, but if you were to google you know,

(01:15:00):
like western towns around Kentucky and it'll pull it right
out because it's actually almost like a theme park. They
don't really have run, but the whole place is set
up like it used to be back in the back
of the old days, with a saloon and a gunshot
and you know, all kinds of stuff like that.

Speaker 7 (01:15:16):
So it was really cool. And it was also cool
because I got to take my daughters with me.

Speaker 6 (01:15:22):
They were with me, and they were actually extras in
the film. They played little zombie, so that was that
was fun. But it was a lot of fun. And
Dave Bless I heard he was writing a sequel that
was supposed to focus on a lot on my character
and on one of the other characters that was in it.
He wasn't in it very much, but he's had a

(01:15:45):
very strong part when he was in it. So it
was its supposed to focus on kind of on hours
and how we came to be during the whole zombie thing.
But I'm not sure that will actually happen again. That's
you know, just Fear Safe, So we'll have to wait
and see, but I hope they do.

Speaker 3 (01:16:03):
That's going to lead us right into the movie that
I'm most excited about. Recently, you just had released a
movie where you pretty much have the starring role. And
this movie's had a lot of acclaim. It's called The
Wicked One. Now this is available for people to purchase
right now on all kinds of platforms. Why don't you
talk a little bit about that movie and how they

(01:16:25):
can get this movie if they're interested.

Speaker 6 (01:16:27):
Yes, The Wicked One. I played Alex Curtis. I was
the lead female and I was the final girl. As
you tell it, and it's basically it's a slasher film,
but it paid a really good homage to the typical
eighties nineties feel.

Speaker 7 (01:16:48):
Of horror slasher films.

Speaker 6 (01:16:51):
It was a lot of fun, it was very hard,
it was very trying. There was a lot in it that.

Speaker 7 (01:16:57):
Was difficult, simply because my.

Speaker 6 (01:16:59):
Character had such an emotional roller coaster through the whole thing.
You know, there was a lot of laughing and having fun,
and then there was a lot of crying. There was
a lot of running, there was a lot of fighting.
There was just a lot that went into not just
the film but that character. But again, Dale Miller was

(01:17:21):
the choreographer for all of the fight stuff, which was
amazing and we actually wanted to well.

Speaker 7 (01:17:27):
He won an award for that for Best Unt choreography.

Speaker 6 (01:17:31):
The film itself won six awards between Best Director, Best
Sound Design, or Best Score, a lot of different awards
that were won. And yes, it is available just about everywhere.
You can get it anywhere online. You can get it
at Walmart, you can get it on Apple, iTunes, Amazon,

(01:17:53):
and you can do it just about anywhere.

Speaker 7 (01:17:55):
And so it was, and it was by far, probably.

Speaker 6 (01:18:00):
Well, it was definitely within my top five favorite films
I've ever done, probably top three. It was fun. I
worked with amazing people as I'm the camera and the
front of the camera, Torry Jones, amazing director, one of
my favorite people on the planet, which you want to

(01:18:21):
say real quickly since we're talking about that. He's got
another one coming up. Angel starts production in October. Remember,
so everybody should go like that page two and keep
a watch out for that one.

Speaker 7 (01:18:34):
But yeah, it was great. It was a lot of fun.
And hopefully they'll be a sequel to that one too.

Speaker 3 (01:18:40):
I mean, I can pretty much bass it. It's a
pretty badass movie as far as slash of flicks go,
and it does kind of remind me of the old
Halloween feel, the old Friday the thirteenth field. So you
guys did an excellent job on creating the feeling that
I know that you were going for. Now, obviously I
don't know a lot about the project, but I've seen
some pretty cool has pictures that you've posted in your wardrobe.

(01:19:04):
But you just got through shooting a pilot for I
believe a television show. Uh are you allowed to talk
about that or is that something that's top secret right now?

Speaker 6 (01:19:14):
For Raydon Vapory A Lion Heights, Yes, yeah, I can
talk a little bit about that. That's a that was
a TV pilotic that we just recently shot, and it's
basically a Viking Warrior style project and starts a lot
of great casts in it.

Speaker 7 (01:19:35):
One of the main girls, her name is soul I.

Speaker 6 (01:19:37):
Cannot pronounce your last name. She's from Norway. It also
stars Rock O'Hearn, which is a internet sensation. He's known
as the Bunman. He's also done a lot of work
for Tyler Perry, so he's pretty big, which helps us
all a lot. And then of course it stars John Wells,
James Packett, Dale Miller, myself, Lion Beckwell, Eric Hire, whole bunch,

(01:20:02):
whole bunch of people that I can't even name them
all right now, but it's uh, it's basically a band
of warriors who are on a mission to you know,
save some people that have been taken and they face
a lot of crazy things, mutants that live in the woods,
and and raiders which the other fighters that we have

(01:20:24):
to fight.

Speaker 7 (01:20:25):
So it was just the first, the first initial pilot
that we shot.

Speaker 6 (01:20:30):
And it was very exhausting and grueling at hot So
we had a great time and we made some magic.
So that's that's going to be beautiful and I can't
wait to see to see that. I don't have any
release dates for it yet, but whenever there is showing

(01:20:50):
your release.

Speaker 7 (01:20:51):
Of it, it will be definitely posted all over Facebook.

Speaker 3 (01:20:54):
I got to be completely honest with you. I get
the biggest kick out of seeing a trailer for some
up in like the Wicked one that's a big time production,
and to see you in it and I'm like, oh
my god, there's my Katie. And I think the reason
I get so much joy out of it is, you know,
we've had a lot of actresses talk to us on

(01:21:14):
the show. I mean, we've had yourself, We've had you know, Ryan,
We've had bol Keister and every one of you guys
are working your way up to the ranks, some of
you a little bigger status than others at the moment.
But it gives us a chance to get some insight
of what you guys actually go through. And I don't
think people realize how hard it is to lead a

(01:21:34):
regular life. I mean, all you guys have for the
most part, regular jobs during the day. In your case,
I mean, you've got children you're trying to raise and
at the same time you're trying to get this career
off the ground. And there's some crazy hours that are
involved in making these films because you have to make
it fit in with the rest of your you know,
your life schedule. Tell me a little bit about some

(01:21:56):
of the craziness that goes on on trying to make
these movies.

Speaker 6 (01:22:00):
It's it's a struggle. It's a constant struggle. Like you said,
I mean, I work a regular day at regular day job.
I work at eight to five jobs during the week.
I have two kids that I'm raising, so it's it's
very difficult. And even though being a full time paid

(01:22:20):
actress is the ultimate goal and it is what I
want to do for the rest of my life, right
now it's a it's a hobby because I can't you know,
I don't make a living at it yet, so it
is it is still a hobby. But the hours are
just it's crazy because basically you have to try to

(01:22:42):
find the time to film projects around your day job
and around your children, you know, and and around your
other regular life that you may have. So it's you know,
you work a full time job, and if you can
film on the weekends, and you'll you'll film around the
clock on the weekends time, and sometimes you lose time

(01:23:04):
from work. It's the hours to go from you know,
sut up to sundown. They can go from SunUp to sundown,
take a break, and then you're back at it again
till three, four or five o'clock in the morning, get
home at five or five point thirty, sleep for an
hour or two, get and go to work all day,
come home from work, change, go to set, do the

(01:23:25):
same thing all over again. I've done that, you know.
There's been many nights where I have filmed till two
or three o'clock in the morning, got home, slept for
two hours, got up that ready with alert, came home, change,
went back to bet didn't get.

Speaker 7 (01:23:40):
Home till two or three o'clock in the morning.

Speaker 6 (01:23:42):
You know, there's been many many nights, and there's been
many times where we've filmed, you know, all week and
long with only two or three hours of sleep if
we were under.

Speaker 7 (01:23:52):
A time crunch.

Speaker 6 (01:23:53):
So it's it's very difficult. And you have to have
a true love and a true passion for what you're doing,
whether it's in front of the camera, behind the camera,
make up here, it doesn't matter. You have to have
a real true love for the arts and the love
for the entertainment to be able to really pursue anything

(01:24:16):
in this field, because that's that's what it takes. If
you don't have that passion for it, you you'll never
do it.

Speaker 7 (01:24:23):
If you're just in it too because you want to
get rich and famous.

Speaker 6 (01:24:27):
You'll never make it or you won't last, you know.
And there is a lot of stuff that we have
to go through. I mean, I've done I can't I've
done more productions than I can count, and I'm still
not in Hollywood or even in Atlanta, you know at
this point. You know, so you still have to take

(01:24:48):
basically what you can get with the option of still
trying to be somewhat particular on what you do. You
don't want to do everything that's thrown at you, but
a lot of times in the beginning you do, and
then you know, you kind of work your way into
where you can actually start to choose the things that
you want to do. But it's it's very difficult, it is,

(01:25:10):
but I love what I do. I love the people
that I get to work with. I love meeting new people.
I want to direct the projects, you know, I want
to I want to learn all aspects of it. So
it's it's a it's a great thing when you can
do it. It's very hard and trying as long as
you have that passion. And then you get to have

(01:25:33):
people you know, say, you know, I knew you back when,
or I knew you before I was watching another movie
and I just happen to see movie come up, you know,
with you get to hear things that those fans are
worth many it all worth it.

Speaker 3 (01:25:49):
I agree. I'm gonna I'm gonna ask you a question
and if you don't want to answer, you don't have
to because I'm going to try to make it as
in general as possible. But like for these types of
movies that you do let's say like the Wicked One
or the Palette that you just shot. Pay wise for
those things. Is that something that's predetermined, Hey, this amount
pays a certain thing or is it based on the

(01:26:10):
outcome of the movie sales? Is it or is it
different for each situation?

Speaker 6 (01:26:15):
Each situation is different the way that it works with
independent film. Most independent films are not paid, and if
they are, it's on a deferred basis, which means after
the film is done and it starts making money, then
you get a certain percentage of it. That's how that's

(01:26:36):
most you know, a lot, that's how a lot don't work.
But then there aren't ones that we'll have a small
budget to work with and they'll offer you, you know,
they'll offer you a certain amount of you either ticket
or you don't. And then there are other one too
will come right out and.

Speaker 7 (01:26:50):
Ask you, you know, what's your pay rate?

Speaker 3 (01:26:54):
And so.

Speaker 7 (01:26:56):
The without you know, without trying.

Speaker 6 (01:27:00):
To sound hockey or anything like that. I most people
now when they approached me about doing a film for them,
that do you ask me what's your what's your day rate?
What your you know, what would you ask for to
do this? In all honesty, it just depends. I have
a pretty much set day rate, but I'm always willing

(01:27:21):
to work things out with people, whether it's less or
whether you know, whatever it may be. So every situation
is different. It just depends on It just depends on
what their initial budget is. I have no budget, and
then you then it's set on a deferred basis.

Speaker 3 (01:27:38):
I kind of figured that was similar situation.

Speaker 7 (01:27:41):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (01:27:42):
That's why I want to bring up because it ties
into what you were saying just right before that that
if you're doing this to get rich or if you're
doing this, uh for the fame, you know you're doing
it for the wrong reasons because obviously, not only are
you working your tail off raising two kids and working
a day job, and it's sometimes staying out till all
hours of the night to record these movies, You're not

(01:28:02):
getting a big payoff in the beginning for any of
these now, so you're definitely doing it.

Speaker 6 (01:28:06):
For the love of what you do, honey. I've been
doing this for a good fourteen well kind of me.
I really really started, so it's been about thirteen years.
But I have films on a regular basis and projects
and I'm still no. I don't get any form of

(01:28:28):
a big page whatsoever. And there are still things that
I do for free depending on you know, what project.

Speaker 5 (01:28:36):
Is and who's doing it.

Speaker 6 (01:28:38):
If it's a really really good script and I believe
in the person that's making it and their team, then
I may possibly do it for free. But no, I
you have to have if you're not in la or
in Atlanta, or you know, a big list slid, then yeah,

(01:28:58):
you have to have the real past and and love
for doing it to be able to put up with
some of the trap that comes along with it. But
being that being said, with some of the crap that
comes along with it, there is so much better that
you get in return that any little bit of crap
that you may come across is water under the bridge.

Speaker 3 (01:29:22):
You know. Okay, I just wanted to say, from one
friend to another, you know, I sit back and see
what you've accomplished, and I couldn't be more proud of you.
When I when I see these trailers come out of
these big time productions and I see you in them,
I just can't help but just smile from ear to ear.

Speaker 6 (01:29:43):
Thank you, Thank you so much. That means that means
a lot to me, And hopefully.

Speaker 7 (01:29:48):
One day I'll have bigger places we'll see.

Speaker 6 (01:29:51):
But the one thing that I will never stop, even
if I stay an independent of the rest of my life,
I'll never stop doing it because it's.

Speaker 7 (01:30:00):
That's what I love, that's what I want.

Speaker 6 (01:30:03):
Well, I appreciate your support, always have.

Speaker 3 (01:30:05):
I mean, I think it really is just a matter
of time before that right person sees you and snatches
you up to Hollywood, because I'm telling you you you
have a very versatile acting ability, and I mean I've
seen you do comedy, I've seen you do horror. I've
seen you do some crying scenes where you just totally
drug me in to where I mean I was like

(01:30:27):
totally believing everything you went on. So it's just a
matter of time for you. Thank you, Katie, Thank you
so much for coming on the show. I greatly appreciated.
I can't wait to see your future endeavors and see
the success as it comes your way. But like I said,
I greatly appreciate you coming on the show.

Speaker 6 (01:30:45):
Thank you very much. I appreciate you having me and
all of for it through the years. You've been great
and but I wish you the very best and we
won't be talking again soon.

Speaker 3 (01:30:57):
I'm sure, we'll be seeing you at Scarefist because you
go virtually every year.

Speaker 2 (01:31:02):
I'll be there.

Speaker 3 (01:31:03):
You keep up the hard work, and I promise you
we'll keep up the support. We'll see you later, babe.
Our little Katie making big splash in the world.

Speaker 5 (01:31:13):
Congratulations to you, honey.

Speaker 3 (01:31:15):
Yeah, I think it's really cool, like I said, to
be able to see somebody that when you watch one
of these big time movies and you see the previews
and you see somebody you going on there, it's prettydamn cool.
So I'm so happy for next week's show. It's the
true story behind the exorcism of Emily Rose, the exism
of Annalise Michelle. And if you haven't heard this story,

(01:31:37):
it is a really cool story. It's different than any
other exorcism type story that you're going to hear, mainly
because of the ending and some things that went on.
But I think you're really going to enjoy this one.
I've been waiting to do this one for a while
and it's just kept getting pushed back and back and back,
and I think it's time to finally do it. It's
a good time during the summer to do a good
exorcism show.

Speaker 5 (01:31:57):
Well there you go. Nothing better.

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Speaker 5 (01:32:21):
God bless everyone of us. We love you guys, and again,
have a good Fourth of July.