2043 Anneliese Michel

Anneliese Michel  Jerry and Tracy discuss the possession of Anneliese Michel. Inspiration for the movie the Exorcism of Emily Rose.

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
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It's about to be a phone follow a long watch
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Speaker 3 (02:21):
Welcome to You'll Bill and Horror Stories. He's yours Jerry, Tracy,
Pauline and their dog.

Speaker 4 (02:30):
MENJA are you ready to get your hell Billy on?
This is Diane and this is Denise of the History
Ghost Bump Podcast, and you're listening to our good friends
Tracy and Jerry Paully on Hill Billy Horror Stories.

Speaker 3 (02:49):
Hey, welcome everybody back to episode to forty eight of
Hillbilly Horror Stories. I'm Jerry.

Speaker 5 (02:53):
Hey, guys, it's Tracy and we're.

Speaker 3 (02:56):
Gonna start off tonight with an announcement. We were supposed
to have Archbishop James Longhan. He's the exorcist demonologist. Unfortunately,
he is also a priest over his church and he
has other responsibilities, and he happened to have right at
the time for the interview day was an emergency of
a fatal car accident and he had to run out

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to that, and obviously that takes precedence, so I completely understand.
But we'll reschedule him for another day. We just didn't
have time to be able to get him on before
this because we were already cutting it short to begin with.
But hopefully the people he had to go.

Speaker 5 (03:31):
See are okay, and I thought some prayers are with him.

Speaker 3 (03:34):
Also thought some prayers to my sister who had an
accident yesterday. Won't go into any details, but she could
really use any good vibes you can send her away, yep,
for sure. Shout outs to our military and civil servants
all around the world, no matter what country you're in.
We love you guys, and we thank you guys.

Speaker 5 (03:52):
Yeah, God bless you guys.

Speaker 3 (03:54):
All Right, we had a bunch of good iTunes reviews
again last week we did, and before I get to those,
I do want to say that this show is going
to be a pretty intense show. I know, we have
a lot of fun and we'll still have fun with it,
but this is a pretty serious, prettiest show when we
start talking about analis Michelle and the whole situation involving her.

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So just you know, we don't do a whole lot
of the real serious ones, but I think this was
going to probably turn out to be one of those.
But it's a fascinating story and it's tons of details.

Speaker 5 (04:23):
I know.

Speaker 3 (04:24):
I try to keep track of all the pages of
notes I do, and this was right up probably the
top two or three with the most notes that I've had.
So a lot of work with end of this show,
So let's do our iTunes shoutouts real quick. Tiger Lily Martinez,
that's delightful. That's actually a name that's not I wouldn't say.
And Tiger Martinez was delightful, but that was but there

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was a whole different one. That's the life. What's actually
a podcast. It's a pretty cool podcast out there. It's
kind of a little political, but it's also fun. It's
not your typical political stuff like they were one of
the episod so they were actually talking about what was it,
vaccinations and whether whether you should get vaccinated and how
there's this big thing going on where people are saying

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they don't want to vaccinate their kids and all it.
So it's not your political like, everything's not Trump and
Clinton and that type of stuff. It's it's just stuff
that's going on in our society right now. But there's
three of them. Uh, there's doctor's psychologists, and they do
all kinds of funny stuff on there. So it's it's
a pretty cool show if you get a chance to
give it a listen. Uh Lilith one two one eight A.

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It sounds like an apartment, So I don't know that
that is the case or not.

Speaker 5 (05:35):
You got you have to be no, let's see, what's
the word creative. Yeah, you have to be creative with
your things now.

Speaker 3 (05:42):
Big Blue Marine. Uh Kim nineteen ninety or it's actually
kay n m nineteen ninety and Brian de Wald thank
you all of you guys for our nice little reuses.

Speaker 5 (05:53):
Well we really appreciate that so much.

Speaker 3 (05:55):
And once again, these reviews mean everything. If you have
an iPhone. I would really appreciate if you could you
take the time, if you haven't already, to give us
a review. Those things, believe it or not, mean more
than money in most cases, because that's how you get
found in iTunes, that's how you get more listeners. Everything
is driven by how many reviews and how many people
subscribe to the show, not how many listeners you get.

Speaker 5 (06:16):
Starting off with yeah, and I feel like it's a
lot more friends we're getting, which is beyond awesome.

Speaker 3 (06:21):
Yep, Patreon, we actually are working on our second bonus show.
We put it up on Patreon and let the people
who are supporters actually vote on the show and on
our bonus episode that we've got coming up. It's going
to be a paranormal show, a paranormal story, I should say,
And then we're also doing a true crime story and

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the votes are in. The true crime story is going
to be on the legend of Cropsy, which if you
don't know anything about Cropsy, it was a legend of
people used to scare their kids with about if you
stay out too late, or if you go over here,
go over there, this guy's going to snatch you up.
And they used to basically like I said, just as
a story to scare their kids. Reality there was a
guy snatching kids up.

Speaker 5 (07:03):
Well, unfortunately that's way too much true for these days.

Speaker 3 (07:05):
So but it was up in Staten Island, New York.
But it's a fascinating story. Some people have heard of,
not everybody has heard it. It's a really cool story.
So I was kind of glad that one went out
of the four choices we had. And then on the
paranormal story, I guarantee you I have a story none
of you have heard, and you will never hear me
say that, but this time I'm going to bank on it.
It's about a mysterious hole in Missouri. This goes back

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to the early nineteen hundreds. Tracy knows the story because
we've done some investigating not it already as far as
the background on it. But I can almost guarantee none
of you have seen this. If you have, you know
have had it. But you're gonna surprise me if anybody's
heard the story before. And that's the one that went
out sold. That will be the two stories that we'll
do on this bonus episode that comes out next Saturday.

Speaker 5 (07:49):
So we're looking forward to Big O' Hole.

Speaker 3 (07:51):
Yeah, a big o hole. Missouri is known for its holes.
So new patron supporters last week Crabtree, Lenny Ramirez, Trent Flanagan,
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name of Nick Hall. He's a he's a longtime listener.
He lives not too far from an hour and a

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half or so, and he actually has his own paranormal society,
Kentucky State Paranormal Society. They do obviously investigations and stuff
like that all over the state. But he also had
a brother that passed away in two thousand and eight
and his birthday is coming up the eighteenth of this month,
so I wanted to say a heavenly birthday to it's

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a little bit early to Chris Hall, his brother, and
he feels like that Chris is always around him. So
he thinks that by us doing now that Chris is
actually going to hear his birthdays.

Speaker 5 (09:06):
Well, Chris, we'll celebrate with you, babe.

Speaker 3 (09:10):
So with that being said, let's jump into the story.

Speaker 5 (09:14):
Okay, junk all right.

Speaker 3 (09:17):
At Aalise Michelle. This is one of the most incredible
cases of possession that you're ever going to hear about.
So let's give some background, like normal. She was born
in September twenty first, nineteen fifty two in Clingingsburg, West Germany.

Speaker 5 (09:36):
Okay.

Speaker 3 (09:37):
She was the inspiration for the movie Exorcism of Emily Rose.
So if anybody has seen that movie, they'll kind of
see the direction that we're going in with this. But
this has a lot more detail because the movie was
loosely based on it. There's some of the details are accurate,
but most of it was Hollywood. You know how that goes.
But this is the part, this part of Germany that

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the she was born in. It was mainly Catholic. Her
family were devout, devout Catholics. I mean they as strict
Catholics as you could possibly get so much so that
it was a long standing tradition in their family to
pretty much dedicate a kid to the church. As far

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as you know, they knew they were going to be
a priest or, they were going to be something of
the church going up. It was just, you know, that's
pretty much because I said so, and that's that's just
the way it was going to be. And it was
like that way in their family for years and years
and years, so not just that generation, but their generations
before that. Now, and at least herself, she had expressed
an interest in wanting to become a teacher of the

(10:42):
Catholic faith, so that fell right in line. So she
was she was right there anyway. Now, some people think
that if that much religious fanaticism, so to speak, could
have been what resulted in her possession. And we kind
I talked about this before when we did the Gary
Demon House episode. Remember we were talking about how the

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mother would give punishments and stuff based on religion. Yes,
and then you had the demons and stuff and the
psychologists and stuff that were dealing with the kids. They
felt like that possibly that played in the thinking there
was demons or what have you. Because there was so
much religion being talked about, so same situation here, a
lot of people feel that same way, and you get

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to know that that Germans in this time they took
a completely different look at Catholicism. For example, in nineteen
sixty four, Theologians, which is, you know, obviously your priests
and nuns and all that of the Catholic faith, only
sixty three percent believed that there was a devil. Now,

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these are the priests and nuns and stuff of the religion.
Only sixty three percent believe that there was a devil.
Oh wow. Now two years later they did a poll
of the entire public just in general, no matter you know, Catholic,
non Catholic, only eleven percent believed that there was a Satan. Catholics,

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non Catholics, they were all highly skeptical of Satan. Now,
part of that reason is the German society is very
structured in rationality, so it's it's more about science over
there during this time, especially than it was strictly in religion.
There's you'll find out later that the religion was not

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something that was looked at because you're looking at basically
at this time is where communists Communism was coming in
from Russia and east to West Germany did they're split
and during that time, you know communists is they're not
into religion. They're just basically into the government and everything
is going to be explained away by natural sciences. So

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that's kind of where we're at. It's so it was
so bad there that Germany even to the this is
this is pretty common for our pretty new information. Germany
only has three exorcists and they work in secrecy, no kidding.
Now you compare that to France, which is their neighbor,
they have over seventy exorcists who openly practiced the craft.

Speaker 5 (13:19):
So I mean, but why are they secret.

Speaker 3 (13:22):
Though, I mean because that's just not the way Germany
does that. Germany is just where there's just a structured
you know, like I said, they're everything structured, and it's
not all about religion over there. Not saying they don't
have religion, but it's just it's just not looked at
the same way. So obviously that means it was pretty
hard in the beginning to get anyone to even think

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the case with Analyst had anything to do with possession
other than her religion upbringing. She was pretty much a
normal childhood. I mean her parents, Anna and Joseph. They
were strict, very protective, but by all accounts, she was
a happy little girl. She loved life, according to her mom,
used to sing you know willingly all the time, and

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she loved the Catholic faith.

Speaker 5 (14:07):
You know.

Speaker 3 (14:08):
This all changed in September nineteen sixty eight, right around
her sixteenth birthday. She passed out of school one day
and that night, shortly after midnight, she woke up and
was paralyzed. What she couldn't move, and she lost control

(14:28):
of her bladder and everything. She wet the bed. She
said that she had a hard time breathing, and her
tongue was really sore.

Speaker 5 (14:35):
So this has happened out of nowhere.

Speaker 3 (14:36):
That happened out of nowhere. So as terrifying as that,
you know, night was, Yeah, that's pretty scary. She moved
on and she put it behind her until about a
year later, August nineteen sixty nine, she had another brief blockout,
our blackout, followed by paralysis. Same situation. So the next

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day her mom took her to the doctor, who referred
her to a neurologist. A doctor sick freed to Lucy.
He did an EEG, which was normal, and then the
uh doctor just kind of assumed it was epilepsy, but
he didn't prescribe any medicine.

Speaker 5 (15:14):
Okay, but wait, so when she had that first episode,
did it just last for that short amount of time?
Oh my gosh. Wow.

Speaker 3 (15:22):
So it's it's important to note that she had a
lengthy medical record. I mean, before five, she had momps, measles,
scarlet fever. She was such a delicate child that her
kindergarten teacher talked to her parents and convinced them to
wait an extra year to send her to kindergarten.

Speaker 5 (15:40):
Okay, she's always so sick.

Speaker 3 (15:41):
Yeah, because she was. She was sick, and I guess
just kind of you know, behind the other kids.

Speaker 6 (15:46):
Oh, I gotcha.

Speaker 3 (15:47):
So they went ahead and kept her back a year.
And right after keep in mind, right after her visit
to doctor Lucy, she got a really sore throat, She
had a her tonsils out. Then she got a new
moment and a TV infection and it was so bad
that she had to stop going to school and she
was confined to bed. She's been sickly most of her life,

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according to you know, to all this in February nineteen seventy,
she had not really gotten any better, so she was
admitted to Middleburg clinic who specialized in lung problems with
young children. And keep in mind, she's like seventeen at
this point, so the parents were told that she had

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a heart and circulatory issues. June in nineteen seventy, she
had a third episode of the paralysis in blacking out.
So then she visited another neurologist to doctor van Hayler
almost said.

Speaker 5 (16:44):
Van Halen, I know how you said in Haler.

Speaker 3 (16:49):
So they did another EG but this time they found
several abnormal patterns. She was given some anti convulsion medicine
and then this was to be get into the treatment
they were given her for epilepsy. So that's now they're
pretty much sure it's epilepsy, and it kind of makes
sense if you're, you know, thinking, with the blackouts and
the you know, seizures or whatever they're doing. August twenty nine,

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she was allowed to finally come home, and during her
time at the clinic something strange started happening.

Speaker 4 (17:20):
Though.

Speaker 3 (17:21):
She said that she started seeing something called fratsen. Now
frotsen is actually demonic or ghastly faces, so that's something
she started seeing and talking about. She also said that
when she saw these faces that she felt empty and depressed,
like the devil was inside her, which is partly while

(17:42):
we chose devil inside the reason for everything. She reported
a smell eeke. She said the smell was really familiar
to burnt fee I don't know how she knows what

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smells like.

Speaker 5 (18:04):
Oh that smell, But can you smell that smell?

Speaker 3 (18:10):
I'm not sure that's how that goes.

Speaker 5 (18:12):
Oh well, anyway, that's so burnt feces is what she says.

Speaker 3 (18:17):
It smells like. Well, she actually said burning fecal matter.
It's the same thing. It's all ship. Now, as her
seizures got worse, she started singing the demons more and
she could hear their voices telling her that she was
damned to hell. So now she's starting to hear voices too.

Speaker 5 (18:39):
That's just great.

Speaker 3 (18:43):
So didn't I say this is gonna be serious starting off?

Speaker 5 (18:45):
This is serious. I mean, first she got to smell
burning crap, and then you today. I mean, come on, now,
this chicken needs.

Speaker 3 (18:51):
A break somewhere, maybe share her dad just says something
like damn it to hell, and she just talking to me.
Oh yeah, I did just say that all the time.
I used think my middle name was damn it, Terry, dammit.
So Ever, every one of those episodes she was having

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would disrupt her life, but it still didn't disrupt it
to the point where she couldn't function on a daily basis.
I mean, she could still most of the time have
a normal life. This wasn't something that was twenty four
to seven.

Speaker 5 (19:25):
Well I'm seriously, but if it's not twenty four to seven,
I mean, in her mind, she's got to be thinking,
what the hell is going to happen next?

Speaker 3 (19:30):
Well, I'm sure she even had a boyfriend named Peter
that she spent most of her free time with.

Speaker 5 (19:35):
Peta.

Speaker 3 (19:36):
What girl doesn't love Peter?

Speaker 5 (19:37):
Peta, are you playing with your phone?

Speaker 3 (19:40):
No, it looks like you're playing with your phone.

Speaker 5 (19:42):
Ah, don't be throwing me under the bus again.

Speaker 3 (19:46):
Anyways, Oh my god, you guys deserved the best show,
and the best show is when she's paying full attention.

Speaker 5 (19:53):
Paying attention to you. I heard everything about poop and Peter.

Speaker 3 (19:58):
So anyway, over the next two years, uh, she went
to several doctors. She had several different types of medicines
to try to control the seizures. And what they were
calling now psychosis because they're convinced she's seeing stuff. So
doctor Lucy prescribed de lantin, and de lantin is in
the anti convulsion drug that's usually for grandma epilepsy.

Speaker 5 (20:22):
Really, I didn't know they used that for that.

Speaker 3 (20:25):
What did you think they used it for?

Speaker 6 (20:26):
I don't know.

Speaker 5 (20:27):
Is it you said de lantin? Is that That's not
the same thing.

Speaker 3 (20:30):
That's not what they do to your pupils when you
go to that.

Speaker 5 (20:32):
Oh whatever, that's not the same as my pupils. Oh
Lord have mercy. That's not the Layton. Is that the
same thing? I don't think so, oh okay, I don't
think so okay.

Speaker 3 (20:41):
This is I know we're in the science and medicine category,
and I was just thinking.

Speaker 5 (20:45):
My mom took that stuff. That's why I was thinking
of You think now.

Speaker 3 (20:48):
Your mom was possessed?

Speaker 5 (20:50):
Okay, there were times, there was times off all too
love you mom.

Speaker 3 (20:54):
No, it's it's important to note that during this time
that you know, she had these illnesses, but at no
point in time did anybody thinks she was possessed, right,
They just thought they were illnesses.

Speaker 5 (21:08):
Yeah, and you know.

Speaker 3 (21:12):
It's they just you know, the problem was they keep
giving her all these medicines and nothing's working. So you know,
at what point in time do you got to start
looking under something else, which is what we're getting ready
to get to. In April nineteen seventy three, she starts
hearing knocking in the middle of the night. Nobody else
could hear the knocking, just her, So they took her

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back to the doctor.

Speaker 5 (21:35):
Again just because she heard knocking.

Speaker 3 (21:37):
Well, she's hearing knocking that, I mean, nobody else is
hearing and it's waking her up in the middle of
the night. I mean, I guess they're figuring what everything
else going on? Who knows?

Speaker 5 (21:45):
Yeah, probably like there we go, let's go back to
the margency room.

Speaker 3 (21:48):
So they went to the doctor and they find out
that her hearing was fine. That's apparently what they checked.
Now during testing at school, I guess it was like
you know, finals or something like that, things got worse.
She was starting to see the demon. She was hearing
the voices more frequently, and not only was her mental

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problems I guess we'll say for lack of bear terms
starting to really show up. Now. She was starting to
have problems speaking and trouble walking. She was struggling in
all those so she actually and Annalise described it like this.
She said, it is a terror which goes through all

(22:32):
of my limbs and settles there. It's a dread that
makes you feel like you are right there in the
middle of hell. You are totally utterly desolate. It's kind
of scary to think about it, yea. So one evening
over dinner, her hands swelled to an enormous size. She

(22:56):
cried out, I have black hands, My Savior, forgive me.
I have no clue what that means. I always heard
big hands, big clock, big clock. So as this happened, clocks,
she said she saw demons, and she described them as

(23:19):
having seven crowns and seven horns. I don't know. So
now the thought was that, okay, maybe she's possessed. And
a lady by the name Anthea Hines is a member
of the church. She was the first to really suggest that,
and the fact that no medicines were working kind of

(23:42):
made people think, maybe this possession thing kind of makes sense.
Why isn't medicine working, Because now we're looking at a
couple of years down the road from the time all
this started and nothing, everything's just getting worse. In fall
of nineteen seventy three, Annalise met father alt Now. She
really like talking to him because she said that it

(24:02):
made her feel at peace, So she'd kind of had
a friend in him. And father was initially skeptical of
the whole possession thing because he did not want to
feed into someone. I guess there are thought process that
if you think you're possessed in, maybe you'll just lead
int direction. So he didn't want to feed in that.

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He also didn't feel like somebody could be possessed that
they were baptized, and she was baptized, So in his opinion,
as a priest, you can't possess somebody who's baptized. So
I guess he was soon to find out different. Now,
some people believe that this was the point to where

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she became incapable of making her own decisions. Doctor Lucy,
as a matter of fact, said that that's what he
in his opinion as a doctor, she was not capable
at this point making her decision and she needed her
parents to make decisions for her. Keep in mind, at
this point now she's already over the age a ten.

Speaker 5 (25:03):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (25:05):
Now, once again, most people were tending to believe that
she was led down this whole possession path by how
religious her family was. Now you got follother aught involved,
and they just think with the religious beliefs and everything,
it just you know, it's almost like back in the
Salem witch days and something wouldn't go on, right, It's

(25:26):
got to be witchcraft.

Speaker 5 (25:27):
Yeah, And I guess they feel like.

Speaker 3 (25:29):
With somebody that was as religious as they were, something's
going wrong like this, it's got to be the work
of the devil.

Speaker 5 (25:35):
So her parents didn't even believe that at all.

Speaker 3 (25:38):
Well, her parents were starting to believe. I guess yea,
they were definitely believing, but you know, they were the
ones so religious and people were like, you're so religious
that you're not seeing the facts. You're just seeing what
you want to see based on religion. So that's where
that one does. Now, at this point, she became very
intolerant of religious articles such as holy wat her, crucifixes, rosaries,

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and that led right back into the possession thing. You know,
if she can't stand these things, then she's got to
be possessed. The mom said that she even had one
instance where she stood in front of of a statue
of the Virgin Mary, and her eyes were completely black
as she just stared at it, like the insides everything
just completely black. She may be the first instance of

(26:23):
a black eyed child. She could be.

Speaker 5 (26:25):
No, I was await that happened a long time ago.

Speaker 3 (26:28):
It was in the nineties.

Speaker 5 (26:29):
Oh, this was farther back, like ninety four. Well, she
could have been.

Speaker 6 (26:34):
Then.

Speaker 3 (26:35):
In May of nineteen seventy five, her grandmother passed away
and her sister moved away to start her career. And
now she was very close to her grandma. She was
close to her sister. That's two very traumatic things. Yeah,
to happen, to happen in somebody's life, especially when she's
got all this other stuff going on. Nineteen seventy five,
father Arnold Wrens became involved in the case. Now, he's

(26:57):
an older guy, been a priest for a long time,
done some exorcisms and stuff. He was amazed at her.
I mean she would stand there just like just standing
up and then just being instantly thrown to the ground.
And then he said, in every instance, he's seen this
several times. In every instance, she would get up on
her knees and then start reciting to hell Mary.

Speaker 5 (27:18):
Oh wow.

Speaker 3 (27:21):
She would eat spiders and flies, and at one point
even licked her on urine up off the floor.

Speaker 5 (27:31):
That's gross.

Speaker 3 (27:32):
Yeah, I mean I wouldn't lick. I guess the only
gamebody you're in a prebate mind. At least I know
where you came from, but I probably wouldn't be looking
anybody's you're in.

Speaker 5 (27:38):
No, that's just wrong.

Speaker 3 (27:42):
How do you rate that on a scale of one
to ten? You're an eight?

Speaker 6 (27:46):
Was good?

Speaker 3 (27:48):
I should work for Hallmark. You could do that for
people that you get the pee for you when you
go take your drug test at work. Get him a
card on a scale of one to ten, you're an eight.
There you are okay, Sorry, there are once again off path.
We talked about the burning fecal matter earlier. Now other
people were starting to smell it when she was around.

Speaker 5 (28:10):
Oh, only when she was around.

Speaker 3 (28:12):
Yeah, they could smell it when she was around, and
they said it wouldn't like a body older type thing
or a bathing thing that she bathes ready, it was
just a smell. She was thrown so much to the
floor that her mother said she started sleeping on the floor.
So and she did that for like three years. Now

(28:33):
at this point, everyone is now convinced that it's possession.
The medicines don't work. The mother even said that doctor
Lucy was the one who first suggested that she reach
out to a Jesuit priest. So that's kind of odd
that a doctor would go to that point. But epilepsy
at this time was led out probably well, it wouldn't

(28:53):
rule down. It's just there wasn't a lot known about it.
Now they were ruling it out, but there wasn't a
lot known about epilepsy.

Speaker 5 (29:00):
Stuff. That stuff is.

Speaker 3 (29:01):
I mean, for example, MRIs weren't created until nineteen seventy seven,
so they had no way of doing a full picture
of the brain back then when she was having her situations.
And but like now, you would realize that to forty
percent of all epilepsy doesn't respond to medicine. So if
she had one of those types of epilepsy, it wouldn't

(29:23):
be a big surprise that it didn't respond.

Speaker 5 (29:24):
We didn't know that either.

Speaker 3 (29:25):
We know that now, but they didn't know that back then.
As a matter of fact, in the US, there's over
four hundred thousand people in the US alone that have
epilepsy that doesn't respond to medicine.

Speaker 5 (29:36):
Wow, So I've seen that in action, and let me
tell you that there is some scary stuff there.

Speaker 3 (29:42):
Father Alton, Father Wrens had her go to several doctors
before they decided to try to do an exorcism on her.
So they I feel like that they actually tried everything
they possibly could. She's on medicine, she's on different medicine,
she's going all these different doctors, and I guess this
was the last atch effort.

Speaker 5 (30:01):
Well, I mean, the poor thing, she must have been
just like over it already. I would have been after
all those years.

Speaker 3 (30:07):
Of all that, right, So what you do then is
you have to have like a trial of I guess
it's not really a real trial like a judge and
a gavel and stuff, but it's basically to determine if
that warrants an exorcism, so you can talk to the
bishop or whoever's in charge. And so they go into
and the priests. He sits down beside her. She has

(30:28):
a rosary on her neck, and during the process of
them setting there, he starts to pray to the Virgin Mary.
As he does that, she goes ballistic and she reaches
up around her neck and grabs the rosary and she

(30:48):
rips it off of her neck, just rips it, beads
going everywhere. Now, because of the fact that anytime they're
trying to get an exorcism, all this stuff is put in,
there's all kinds of notes, so there's really good notes
of what happened during this situation. And that's where you
find out that this rosary thing was a really big deal.

(31:10):
Because anybody who is super religious, anybody who is part
of the Catholic faith, especially the priests and stuff, they
feel like that only the strongest of demons can destroy
a religious object. So for her to reach up and
grab that and rip it off was like that was

(31:31):
just basically telling them, oh, shit's about to get real.
I don't know if they use those actual words.

Speaker 5 (31:37):
Or not, that's what they want to say.

Speaker 3 (31:39):
I'm pretty sure that's what they meant. So the priest
wrote to the bishop in Warsburg to grant permission for
the exorcism, which he did. The exorcism. Here's a fun
fact for you. The exorcism has an actual name. It's
the Roman Ritual Act of sixteen fourteen. That is the
right of exorcism. So you write that down in case

(32:01):
you ever need that just write that down. My worst
George Strait ever. Anyways, August third, nineteen seventy five, the
first exorcism takes place. Father Wrens being the older, he
actually took the lead. And the funny thing is, even
though I'm not supposed to say that anymore, the funny

(32:23):
thing is, even though they were doing the exorcism thing,
they kept her on her medication still, so they still
were giving it a final attempt. They didn't just take
her off for medicine and say well, they were still
trying everything they could to fix her. And once they
started doing this, they started this exorcism, the case escalated immediately,

(32:48):
I mean so much, to the point to where demons
came out at the very beginning and were announcing themselves.
And this doesn't happen. Never does this happen early as
an exorism, And they did. They weren't provoked or anything.
I mean, it wouldn't like, who the heck are you?
It just they just like, we're here for the party.

Speaker 5 (33:07):
Yeah, I'm right, that's scary.

Speaker 3 (33:11):
So she starts. They start speaking through her in these
really kind of loud, deep guttural type voices, and we're
going to actually hear some of that here in a
few minutes. Yeah, Because what happened was they recorded forty
two exorcisms, recorded them and that's says a lot right there.

(33:35):
They recorded forty two Yeah, that's like a bunch. Yeah,
And it was like sixty seven exorcisms totally done on
this some of these things lasting up to four hours.

Speaker 5 (33:44):
Would you like to be there for an exorcism? You would?

Speaker 3 (33:47):
Absolutely. Everybody was shocked. These demons were coming out so early.
It's not typical for demons to just come out early.
You got to coax them out, not just you know,
right from the beginning.

Speaker 5 (33:59):
They were loud, and.

Speaker 3 (34:01):
It was they came out so early that it caught
the priest off guarded. They weren't prepared for it. They
were they had their whole setup of what they were
going to do.

Speaker 5 (34:09):
They were like, hello, we're not ready yet, coming early
to the party.

Speaker 3 (34:13):
So these things they started presenting themselves, and the priests
were kind of loft.

Speaker 5 (34:17):
They couldn't they couldn't figure out where to.

Speaker 3 (34:18):
Go next, yea, And they couldn't believe what was coming
out of her mouth already. So they reported everything, uh,
recorded all this stuff on tape and Elise herself requested
that the tapes be released so the world would know
that there was a devil. Oh wow, So what we're
gonna do right now is we're going to play the

(34:40):
first tape. Now, there's all kinds of tape. We're not
playing all of them, but we're gonna play just a
bit so you can hear what's going on. After you
listen to this one, I'm going to kind of tell
you what they were saying because it's in German, Okay,
so unless you're in Germany, you're probably not going to
get this.

Speaker 6 (34:52):
Okay, that's messed up in it.

Speaker 5 (35:29):
Holy crap. That just give me the chills, Like, that's sick.

Speaker 3 (35:34):
What she actually said there was t stop missed it,
my lord, No, what she actually said, what that translated, tosh.
She said, you must go with these ship cassette tapes

(35:55):
and everything else to that asshole up in org which,
if you remember, that's where this bishop was. And she
had no way of knowing where this bishop was. She
guessed that straight out of the blue, so they were
surprised by that. Then he must give it to the
people so that he can reach the most people. Understand,

(36:18):
she said, shit, she did say shit. Well, she said shite.
That's one of the few words. Actually understand that the
old thing.

Speaker 5 (36:23):
I don't even like that one bit. That was as
creepy as heck.

Speaker 3 (36:28):
Now six demons presented themselves, Lucifer, Judas, Nero, Kin Hitler,
and Fleshman. Now Fleshman is very unique because yes, everybody
knows who Lucifer is, and Judas and Nero and Kane
all that Fleshman was an actually sixteenth century priest back

(36:51):
into fifteen hundreds who was kicked out of the church
for basically being a menace and being a troublemaker. And
the odd thing is, you know, there's no internet back
in the seventies. The priest said that she would have
had no way of knowing who Fleischmann was, no way
at all. But that's who they as she said, Now,

(37:14):
I'm actually gonna play you another part of the exorcism
right now where she actually and I'm not gonna break
down what this one says, but you can hear her
saying the names, and you can hear them talking, because
what ends up happening is they say they ask her,
is Hitler there, and she says, yes, I'm here, and
they say who and she says Hitler and then you'll
hear that because Hitler is Hitler. But the funny thing

(37:37):
was when she talked like Hitler, when she presented herself
as Hitler, she actually talked and she would start off
with see how Hale Seele and then she would speak
with the exact correct voice inflection of his Austrian accent,
so it was, you know, whoever she was. She was, Uh,

(38:00):
she was, So let's listen to that part real quick.
She's been there, them out than God.

Speaker 5 (38:28):
Yeah, he left Glo'm usually Enny.

Speaker 3 (38:38):
You know, I'm just.

Speaker 6 (38:46):
Hitler.

Speaker 3 (38:47):
So that's like I said. I know it was German,
but they were asking is Hitler in there? She started
off by saying Nero and then she said Caine. So
they were saying, so there's three of you, now there's
four of you. Where's Hitler? At was he like? And
then she basically said no, I'm here, and he said
who's here? And then she ended with Saint Hitler. So
that's how that goes.

Speaker 5 (39:08):
So be on all night long tonight when we go
to bed.

Speaker 3 (39:14):
The demons would criticize everybody around them. They would criticize
the church. Lucifer at one point and said, you know
or whoever the demon saint of Lucifer said that I
want to conquer the earth for myself. Then the exorcism
experts think that probably the names that they were using

(39:36):
were probably not there. It really wasn't Hitler, it really
wasn't Fleischmann. They think that maybe these demons just picked
names that would get the most effect, and being in
Germany in the seventies, Hitler would be a big name
considering everything that went on. Fleischmann was from believe from Germany,
and then some of the other ones. So it's possible,

(39:57):
according to experts in the field, that these demons could
have just been random demons that were choosing those names
just to try to cause the most damage. From a
mental standpoint, now, Annelie would speak in tongues, she would
brutally attack her family. She bit the head off of
a dead bird. We already discussed. She was eating spiders

(40:18):
and flies. I don't know why she swallowed a fly.
Perhaps she'll die. Best story.

Speaker 5 (40:25):
Why wasn't she in a mental hospital?

Speaker 3 (40:29):
This was the seventies. I guess they figured that she
was possessed and not a patient for a mental hospital.

Speaker 5 (40:35):
But when you go start miting the heads off birds
and stuff.

Speaker 3 (40:38):
Demonic people would do that too, probably well, I mean,
I know, but she claimed to see demons dancing around
the priest in mockery as they were doing their rituals.
She said invisible forces would throw her into walls. She
was constantly covered in bruises. And the other thing that

(41:00):
really stood out she would binge eat. I mean she
would eat like crazy, I mean, large amounts of food
at a time. But she was losing weight. Why did
that work for us? Well, I'm not just not wanting
to go that far to lose a couple of pounds. Hey,
you tried to date a new loserer diet hit'll work rendlers.
Oh my gosh, I tell you what this is just

(41:23):
freaking tongues lose some tons.

Speaker 5 (41:26):
That was pretty good, I know. I just feel so
bad for her. Her whole life's just almost like she
was just put on this earth for that. I don't
know that sounds dumb, but well, nothing's been good about
her life.

Speaker 3 (41:38):
Kind of prophetic. But you'll find out in a little
bit because, as we know, you know nothing about the story,
so you'll be surprised, just like everybody else will. Okay,
but you may have hit on something she started having. Obviously,
tables and chairs and stuff would move around the house.
So now you're starting to get like poltergeist activity. The
question is, how does somebody who's so feeble and sick.

(42:01):
She was eighty pounds when these extorcisms started, and for
you people that use the metric system, that's about thirty
five kilograms. That's right. I went the extra effort for
the you so you could feel like you're part of
the story. I don't want you to feel left out.

Speaker 5 (42:14):
Well, aren't you nice?

Speaker 3 (42:16):
Yes? But how can somebody who was so feeble, so
sick all the time. We've discussed how sick she was
all the time, she was having trouble walking, having trouble talking.
But she's able to cause so much damage to herself. Yeah,
and she's able to be She'd had to be restrained
by several people. She had to be chained to chairs
at times during these exorcisms because she would get so violent. Now,

(42:39):
how does somebody just you know, be like that? Does she?

Speaker 5 (42:46):
I don't know, I just feel like I'm asking a
dumb question. But does she realize she's being like that?
Or does she not realize that at.

Speaker 3 (42:54):
All or no clue, have no clue. But I am
going to play one more tape for you. This will
tell you to me. This is the most telling of
the tapes, just because some of the sounds that come
out of this one is just really freaky. So that's
why I want to play this one too you And
then we'll get back into the the exorcisms and stuff.

(43:14):
Hold on, bo If that won't keep you of a night,

(43:36):
that keep me up during the daytime.

Speaker 5 (43:38):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (43:40):
So these exorcisms they went on for several months, and
occasionally she would have stretches where she was I guess
lucid for lack of better terms, where she could you know,
she was just herself for a minute. Yeah, And during
these times she would spend the time with Peter. And
one day, this is where everything kind of starts coming

(44:01):
to a head. I guess I shouldn't have said Peter
in head probably in the same termce this is where
everything starts coming to a to the end. They're walking
in the woods. It's just a casual walk and she
kind of goes like in a trance and just walks
off from Peter, and Peter said, you know, she just

(44:24):
she was She's left and was just wandering off. Now,
she later on said that she was walking side by
side with the Virgin Mary. Now this is this gets
really tricky, so pay close attention to this. She's walking
side by side with the Virgin Mary, and the Virgin

(44:45):
Mary tells her that it pains her heart to know
that so many souls are going to hell. Someone needs
to do penance. And she said, would you like to
do penance for the souls so they do not enter Hell? Oh,
that's a question you don't really want to get asked,

(45:05):
I'm thinking. She said that she was given three days
by the Virgin Mary to make a decision. In this
three day period, it was like she was not possessed.
She was like back to her old self. She felt better.

(45:26):
It's like the possession just went away for three days. Well,
Anna last tells her family that she's agreed to accept
the Virgin Mary's offer. The family obviously was concerned. They
said that she told them that if she didn't accept that,

(45:51):
the Virgin Mary was going to return on October thirty first,
and then she would take all the demons with her.
So they thought, well, I mean, so if you just
tough it out, it'll all be over, but she said
that she wanted to take the Virgin Mary up on

(46:13):
her offer. So the priests they thought, well, everything's calm
right now, this would be the part time to just
jump on this, so they start aggressively exercising again. When
they prayed to the Virgin Mary. Got to that part
where they were praying to Virgin Mary, a chilling cry

(46:36):
came from Analyse and I'm gonna play that for you
right here.

Speaker 4 (46:50):
The United States.

Speaker 3 (46:58):
This Unless you speak German, which most of us don't,

(47:23):
you probably didn't catch that. In that part she said
she's coming. And to keep in mind, they were praying
to the Virgin Mary, and right before or right after
she said she's coming, that's when you start hearing that
deep bellow come out, and it's so almost like you know, hey,
the Virgin Mary is coming. The priest then started asking

(47:49):
the demons one by one to leave, and the demons
agreed and left, and at least in a regular said
they're gone. I'm completely free. Now, I'm completely free.

Speaker 5 (48:07):
Oh hallelujah.

Speaker 3 (48:09):
You would think, oh jeez, that's when something happened that
the exorcists say they have never seen before. About ten
minutes later during their closing prayers, all of the demons
came back.

Speaker 5 (48:23):
Well, what a bunch of liars. I knew that was
too easy.

Speaker 3 (48:27):
Well, they claim that as much as they wanted to leave,
they couldn't leave.

Speaker 5 (48:34):
The demons couldn't leave.

Speaker 3 (48:35):
Demons couldn't leave. Why. Well, I guess that's I don't know.
Maybe it's a virgin Mary thing. Maybe it's you know,
if the writing is on the wall as to what
should happen. I don't know. But she was given the
choice of three days to either basically sacrifice herself or
wait till October. And I mean, if that's the case,

(48:58):
I mean, I don't know if that's the case, but
just judging by what she said, it would kind of
make sense. Over the next several days, the demons would
complain daily that they wanted to leave but were not
allowed to, and Alice would complain that she was in
great pain. Now May thirtieth of nineteen seventy six, Father

(49:18):
Aught seeks help from doctor Richard Roth. And he's a
friend of father Alton. He's been involved in the case before.
We just haven't talked about him, but he had been
there trying to help. He asked him to prescribe some
medicine for her pain, but the doctor said, I can't
give medicine to a possessed person because I don't know
how it would affect him. There is no injection for

(49:40):
the devil, so he refused to give her any kind
of medicine. Father often realized that he noticed that she
was having had stigmata marks on her feet, which later
moved to her hands. And for those of you who
do not know what stigmata marks are, stigmata is and
a lot of religions, especially Catholics, the marks of Jesus's

(50:06):
crucifixion on his feet and on his hands from the nails.
Some people actually have that phenomenon where they get the
holes in their hand and the holes in their feet
as if they were crucified. And that's what's called a stigmata.
Did you know that? No, I didn't, So that's what
a stigma is. Well, she got this on her feets
and it later moved to her hands. Now I know

(50:28):
this isn't a stigmata episode, but I have actually studied
a little bit on this. Some people, psychologists and stuff,
think that people cause that to themselves by just the
mental thought process of making injuries to themselves without physically
doing it, but just thinking on it so bad that
they get the injuries on their hands and their feet.

Speaker 5 (50:50):
How is that possible?

Speaker 3 (50:51):
Well, I mean, I guess the mind can make you
do anything. You can make yourself sick all the time
if you But I mean, I.

Speaker 5 (50:57):
Don't know that poor thing.

Speaker 3 (50:59):
So at this point, Annalise was becoming dangerously thin. We
talked about she was eighty pounds when all those started
once again, she was binge eating. They said that she
would sit down and eat large amount of food at
eat sitting, and then she would follow that by drinking
two liters worth of juice. Hear that from the people

(51:19):
outside the US. I went with the metric system again.
Never never forget how much we love our foreign listeners. Well,
we always talk about pounds and.

Speaker 5 (51:29):
Stuff like that, and that's interesting.

Speaker 3 (51:33):
So around the beginning of the year, she kept saying
that in July something important was going to happen. July first,
nineteen seventy six, at the age of twenty three, analast
passed away.

Speaker 5 (51:48):
Like she didn't do something to herself, she just passed away.

Speaker 3 (51:52):
She passed away.

Speaker 5 (51:53):
God, she's probably so relieved.

Speaker 3 (51:55):
Sixty seven exorcisms, forty two of those on tape. At
the time of death, she weighed sixty six pounds oh
my gosh, or thirty kilograms. Man cause of death was
listed as starvation.

Speaker 5 (52:10):
Oh what a sad life.

Speaker 3 (52:12):
And obviously that does not sound like that's the case,
because we just heard how she would binge eat and benijeat.
That'll come into play a little bit later. Charges were fouled.
This is where the case gets really interesting, because this
is the first case of possession to where charges were
actually fouled. Germany filed charges against both of her parents

(52:38):
and both priests, father Aughten, father Wrens for negligence. What
they were saying that they were not They should have
been instead of doing exorcism, they should have been getting
their medical help. Even though they were doing medical help,
they never took her off for medicines. And keep in mind,

(53:00):
and we didn't really touch on this, she refused medical
help at the end. She refused it.

Speaker 5 (53:07):
I mean, she was probably just like, it's not going
to work, nothing's working.

Speaker 3 (53:10):
Well, I mean, I'd imagine she was probably trying to
go through with her self sacrifice. Well, that's true from
what she thought she was.

Speaker 5 (53:16):
Doing well I don't know how in the world they
can charge them with that. That's so crazy.

Speaker 3 (53:20):
Well, in nineteen seventy eight, they found all four of
them guilty. What they gave them six months in jail,
but they suspended it and gave them a three year
probation instead.

Speaker 5 (53:32):
See, system was screwed up back then too, just like
it is today.

Speaker 3 (53:36):
There were several discrepancies at the trial. Oddly enough, the
possession tapes were presented by the defense, but they were
never taken serious or the validity of them was constantly challenged.
So it's almost like, yeah, we don't believe it, Yeah,
we don't care.

Speaker 5 (53:53):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (53:55):
Now, the expert for the prosecution, he actually made several mistake.
He was it was chronological mistakes about when this happened,
when that happened. He was completely wrong on a bunch
of facts. He was wrong on her medical history and
her analysis. He was wrong on all that stuff. The

(54:16):
big thing was, what was the number one thing that
they kept saying medically was wrong with her epilepsy? Well,
I mean that's what it said. They were treating for
a well, I mean I know they.

Speaker 5 (54:29):
Were, but they could they really prove it.

Speaker 3 (54:32):
That's what it was no, because they did an autopsy.
Her brain was found to be healthy and no evidence
of seizures, nothing that could have caused There was no
part that could have showed epilepsy, not even microscopic. According

(54:54):
to the doctor.

Speaker 5 (54:55):
That's amazing.

Speaker 3 (54:55):
So she had zero epilepsy. There were no bed sores
or ulcers on her skin that you typically have with
somebody who starves to death. She had none of that.
But that's what they listed to starvation. They didn't list
that she had dilated extra dilated pupils. None of this

(55:19):
stuff was mentioned in the trial. It never came up.
So I guess the question would be why he's here
may be your answer. I don't know for a fact,
but this could be the answer. Possible corruption. This was,
like we discussed earlier, This was the time where Communism
was coming in. The Soviets were there, the state was

(55:44):
constantly pushing. It was an atheist type state, so atheism
was promoted. They didn't want to hear anything about God,
they didn't want to hear anything about organized religion. So
it was believed by a lot of people that the
trial was pretty much engineered to discredit the Catholic Church,
make them look like idiots, and the judge openly mocked

(56:06):
the priests in court about you know. I remember they
said there was one time where he asked father alt
he said, well, I'm assuming you're not married, correct, you know,
because I guess the priest not getting married. But little
things like that, Now some people would say, oh, in
these cases of possession, of these cases like it, the
family just does it to get rich, or they're just right.

(56:27):
The family never profited from anything in this case, never not.
They didn't do any book deals. They just tried to
let it go away. The movie came out, The Exorcism
of Emily Rose, which was loosely based on her. They
didn't get a penny from that movie. So this was
not anything that was done to try to get attention.

Speaker 5 (56:47):
Or to try to I mean, they just want their
daughter to be better.

Speaker 3 (56:50):
And so let's talk about Annalye. So there's a lot
of people that are under the firm belief that she
actually sacrificed herself for the sins of others, and there
are people that look at her as a saint. They
go to the cemetery to today even still and they
leave notes of thank you and all kinds of little

(57:12):
gifts for and that's the way she's looked at. Then
you've got a bunch of Catholics out there that believes
that she goes against everything they really believe in, and
that she was basically just a woman that was filled
with demons and they would just as soon forget that
she even existed. You got the skeptics out there who

(57:33):
believe that it's all mental illness. Maybe it wouldn't epilepsy,
but it was mental illness and it was treated as
a possession, when in reality, there's no such thing as possession,
as just people have mental issues and they just need
to be dealt with in a different way. Yeah, you
got to go on with this because as many people

(57:54):
that visit her thinking they're saints, there are Satan worshippers
from all over Europe that make pilgrimages to her grave
because she was the girl that had all these demons.
She's the girl that had Lucifer and Hitler herself. So
Satan worshipers they look at her almost like an idol
and said, oh my god, this lady had all these
demons in there and what have you. So they make

(58:16):
pilgrimages there. In June sixth twenty thirteen, and this date
is really important. Her house was burned down, the house
that she grew up in was burned down. The police
didn't catch who it was, but they're almost positive it
was Satanists. Really, the reason being is June sixth, twenty thirteen.

(58:41):
If you take June, which is the sixth month, the
sixth day, and two zero one three if you had
them together is six, so that date would be six
six six. And they think that that's what has to
do with it. There had been a fire before because
when when she died, the parents made a chapel like

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dedicated to her on the property that was set on
fire before a few years before that, and they found
what they call a grave light or a grave lanter
or something that people would take to the cemeteries and stuff.
They found one of those on the premises, which would
have been odd yeah to find, but the cemetery is
right up the road, so it's possible somebody could have

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went from point A to point being just left it.
But that's why they think that. And in the second case,
it was actually their carpenter workshop at the house would
burned up. Now there's a picture you can find if
you look hard enough online of the fire of the house.
It's there's standing right in front of the house and
you can see the fire up in the top right

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hand like a balcony window. You can see like a
figure standing up there that everybody swears, oh gosh, kind
of overlooking.

Speaker 5 (59:57):
Oh my gosh, that lady. Well, she sure had an
interesting life, for sure, nothing boring about it, but just
so devastating at the same time.

Speaker 3 (01:00:08):
I mean, it's it's an incredible story, full of details,
a lot of twists and turns. It's one I've been
wanting to do for a long time. So we almost
I was really close to saving that for our one
year anniversary show. Oh really, Yeah, but I've decided I've
got another surprise that we'll Oh sure we gets closer
for that one or two.

Speaker 5 (01:00:28):
So we should think our lucky stars that our lives
aren't that crazy. Huh. Even though you think I'm possessed.

Speaker 3 (01:00:34):
A lot of times, that's PMS. That's not possessed. There's difference.
There's a lot of the same symptoms. Yeah, I mean
they should have tried to throwing some midel down her throat.

Speaker 5 (01:00:46):
Oh my gosh, I agree with you there.

Speaker 3 (01:00:50):
I think uh. I thought this was a really cool story.
I hope you guys enjoyed it as much as the
rest of us. I'll point out again once again for
the patrons, you haven't awesome episode getting ready to come
out that'll be out next Saturday. And I also wanted
to point out that we still have t shirts for sale.
We had some people buy some of those this week.

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Snatch those up. That's on our website. You can also
sign up for Patreon. There doesn't cost you a penny
for the rest of this month. They charge you the
one dollar, three dollars, five dollars, ten dollars at the
end of the end or at the first of the
next month. But you're gonna get all the bonus shows already,
So as soon as you sign up, there's gonna be
three bonus shows sitting there waiting for you, and then
another one hitting next Saturday, so you're gonna get four

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shows within the next week. That's just for contributing three,
five or ten bucks.

Speaker 5 (01:01:40):
We do appreciate you guys so much. I would like
to say an extra thank you to Julie for my
beautiful bracelet that I got for my birthday. I absolutely
love it. I just can't believe that you guys are
so awesome, so sweet to us, and it means a
lot to me. And it's pretty cool that it came
from all the way from England, and I don't know,

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it's just so cool.

Speaker 3 (01:02:03):
Julie Guilder, she doesn't she doesn't get enough praise. She
does not And I want to tell you this, and
this isn't don't take this as a knock against anybody else.
I just want to show some extra praise to her.
Since since we have started this show, well since this year,
and since this year, the last six months, Julie has
bought two T shirts, She's sent a birthday gift to Tracy,

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She's made two very big donations to the show. That's amazing.

Speaker 5 (01:02:31):
I mean, she's such a sweetheart.

Speaker 3 (01:02:33):
I mean, it's just I can't say enough. And like
I said, that's not discrediting anybody else out there, but
I mean, I mean, it's just she's just such a sweetheart.
And she's said so many nice things to us about
how we've helped her through tough spots, and and like
I said, we never really know what's going on in
everybody's life, and everybody has their own little battles that

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they're fighting, so we're not immune to that ourselves. And
but I think, I think if we can help any
one of you guys through a tough spot, if it's
just you know, we had a young lady send us
a letter and said that she was split up with
her boyfriend and she was really down to dumps and
she'd put our show on and it would make her happy.
And we've got no way of ever thinking we would

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have that kind of impact on anybody's life. And it
amazes me that we do. And we appreciate you guys
more than you ever know. As much as we have
an impact on any of your lives, you had that
kind of impact on our lives.

Speaker 5 (01:03:29):
Absolutely. I mean, I don't know. I'm just amazed by
you guys. It's so very thoughtful that you think of
us that way. And you know, like I said, we
love each and every one of you guys, and just
feel so blessed and honored to have you all as
new friends and everything. And I just wish I could
give you all a great big old hug, like personally,

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but just know that we do appreciate you and thank
you for listening to our show. And I hope you
guys keep listening to.

Speaker 3 (01:03:56):
Our show and speaking of big hugs we are because
it's getting close enough now, but we need to start
talking about it. The very end of September thirtieth, September
twenty ninth, thirtieth, in October first, we will be in Lexington,
Kentucky at Scarefest, and if you guys are anywhere near
the area, come down. It's a hell of a time.

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We go all the time, even before we had an
opportunity to actually set.

Speaker 5 (01:04:21):
Up and be part of it, even before we had
a podcast.

Speaker 3 (01:04:23):
I mean, but we're talking all kinds of matrix to
Kane's going to be there, Freddy Kruger himself, Robert England
is going to be there, you name it. At their
big time in the horror movies or the ghost Hunter
shows or all that, most of them people are going
to be there, and it's really cool as hell to
be able to hobnob with him and sit and talk
to them.

Speaker 5 (01:04:41):
And what's that one guy's name again.

Speaker 3 (01:04:43):
Said hey, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I don't know if
it's going to be there this year or not, but
he's usually there, which is Captain Spaulding from the House
of a thousand Corpses movies. But he is one of
the coolest people you'll ever meet. He is so laid back,
unlike his character.

Speaker 5 (01:05:02):
Yeah, he was pretty awesome.

Speaker 3 (01:05:04):
And it's funny to sit there because we were paying
for a picture and he's got his little pham thing
with the little square on it, you know, to be
able to swipe cards, and he was having trouble with it.
So it's so funny to sit there and see Captain
Spaulding and having trouble taking your credit card. Yeah, but
it was kind of cool and.

Speaker 5 (01:05:19):
It's a lot of fun. It's really a lot of fun.

Speaker 3 (01:05:22):
But guys, we're gonna let you get out of here,
and we hope you enjoyed the show. And sorry that
we didn't get to have Bishop long on. I promise
you we'll get him on here. We definitely understand when
you got you know, in emergency like that, you can't
always upkeep, and that's the first one we've had really
fall through on us.

Speaker 5 (01:05:40):
Yeah, but that's way more important. And pray for that
family and everything like that, so you know just what
you have to do.

Speaker 3 (01:05:48):
Thank you guys so much. We love you, and we'll
see you next week.

Speaker 6 (01:05:51):
Bye.