2044 Near Death Experiences

Tracy and Jerry discuss cases of people who see heaven and hell.

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hello, and welcome to hell Billy Horror Stories. We are
back for another story. I'm going to keep this short
and sweet. I'm low under the weather, so I hope
you guys don't mind. I'm sure there's some of you
out there who probably think I already talk too much
as it is. Just a quick reminder. This is the

(00:21):
last week to get in your shows for the Halloween special.
After this week we will not be able to accept
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and putting everything together and get it ready for Everybody's
a listening pleasure, and that is all I've got for now.
This week's episode is near death Experiences. Jerry and Tracy

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discussed cases of people who have seen heaven and hell.
This should be a very interesting show. And there's another
quick reminder, O and listen to the Hellblily horror House episodes.

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Speaker 2 (02:03):
All right, Welcome, Welcome, Welcome to episode forty nine of
hill Billy Horror Stories. I am Jerry and im with
my beautiful bride Tracy.

Speaker 5 (02:10):
Hey, guys, how's it hanging today?

Speaker 2 (02:12):
It's not really appropriate to ask outs hanging because half
of our audience base has nothing hanging, or if they do,
a good sturdy bra would help that.

Speaker 5 (02:24):
I wontn't know about that.

Speaker 2 (02:25):
We got a fun show for you. It's a little
bit different than some of other shows. If you listen
to our Past Lives episode that we did, this one's
gonna kind of I guess hinge on that same line,
because what we're going to talk about tonight are near
death experiences. We've got a couple of them to share

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with you, and then we're gonna finish up the show.
We're talking about Mount Shasta, which is kind of a
cool story that I've just recently become acquainted with.

Speaker 5 (02:53):
So sounds good.

Speaker 2 (02:54):
Can't wait. Let's start off with Let's start off with
some shout outs, obviously to the military of whatever country
you're listening from. You know, we're one hundred percent behind
our military here in the US, and we hope you
guys are behind your military because they're trying to make
it a better world that we live in.

Speaker 5 (03:12):
Yeah, and we've had some bad things happen this week
to a military and all our prayers are with the families.
Just just devastating. So but we appreciate you guys, and
we just want to say God bless you.

Speaker 2 (03:26):
We have a special surprise next week. We're not going
to spill the beans on it, but I think I
think it's going to be next Week's gonna be a
really cool episode and you'll just have to tune in
to find out. How about that?

Speaker 5 (03:36):
How about that? How about that?

Speaker 2 (03:38):
Yeah?

Speaker 5 (03:39):
Yeah, it's good.

Speaker 2 (03:41):
Probably not the only thing I will tell you is
we're going to have five different mini stories next week.
That's the only thing I'll share with you. So pretty cool.
We'll be all over the map on what we're doing.
I wanted to give a Patreon shout out. Our only
new subscriber this week were the young ladies from History
Goes Bump You, Denise. We did have a bunch of

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new reviews. Again, can't express enough how important those reviews are,
so thank you so much. We're gonna We're gonna start
off with George. George gets a special thank you and
he knows why, and we'll leave it at that.

Speaker 5 (04:17):
Yeah, thank you, George, I love you.

Speaker 2 (04:19):
And then the guys from Conspiring to Argue. This is
a podcast. If you haven't listened to it, give it
a shot. It's it's not any certain genre. It's all
over the place. What it basically is is you got
two sometimes three guys and they pick a topic and
one of them takes one side and the other one

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takes another side, and they argue it out. I mean,
I've heard them do. One of the ones I thought
was pretty cool was they talked about Paul is Dead,
the whole infamous Paul McCartney being dead, so they hammered that,
but then they also did the Conspiracy of Bruce Lee
dying and Brandon Lee with the Crow. They're getting ready

(05:01):
to do. They asked for some suggestions from us on
something paranormal to do, and we did the Demon House
of Gary, Indiana. So they got an upcoming episode of
that where they you know, one takes the side of
you know, I believe in the paranormal on the other
one takes the side of I don't believe. Yeah, And
it's a really cool concept. So it's conspiring to argue
and if you get a chance to listen to it,

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give it a holler. While we're on that subject, I
want to give a shout out to a couple other
podcasts that I really like. And you know, I don't
steer you guys wrong, so I wanted to kind of
get the word out now. The first one is a podcast.
It's a little harder to find because you got to
spell it right. It's called stat and it has a
period after each letter, so it's s period tea period,

(05:44):
A period tea period. And that actually is started by
a young lady by the name of Karen Wickiam. She
is a listener of ours, and she asked us for
some help and getting started a while while back on
if she wanted to start a podcast, you know what,
what she need to do and all that. And she's
got a couple of episodes out already and it's actually

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really good. She's a nurse. If you are a Patreon,
she was actually on our Listeners episode this past the
first of the month, so you've had a chance to
hear a little bit and she told some of her
story then. But that's a really cool podcast and she's
making a name for herself. I mean, she's doing really
well as starting off as far as the listeners and stuff,

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So give her a listen. Uh my girl. Diana Marie
at Twisted Philly loved that show. She's awesome and she
basically talks about the strange goings on in her hometown
of Philadelphia, and it's a little bit of history, a
little bit of true crime, and a little bit of
guess paranormal gold stories, that type of thing. She mixes

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all three of them together. That's a cool listen. And
then Justin Rimmel, buddy of mine, he runs the podcast
Mysterious Circumstances, and he's going to come on the show
here two three weeks when we can get time to
get both of our schedules together and talk about a
story that he did on his show. I thought it

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was fascinating and rather than do our version, I just
thought it would be better just to bring him on
and tell his you know, have him tell the story
since he already knocked it out of the park.

Speaker 5 (07:19):
Yeah, excited to hear that.

Speaker 2 (07:20):
So there's another one for you to go listen to.
Mysterious Circumstances. So I just want to give that that
heads up on those those four podcasts. But the Conspiring Argue, God,
they actually left us a nice review as well, so
we appreciate that.

Speaker 5 (07:33):
Thank you so much.

Speaker 2 (07:34):
Star Wars Girl thirteen, Thank you for that. Matthew sixty
two nine three, Jay Birch Wolden Child Cardiac ri e
n Katie B. Sixty eight. This one is just way
too many fucking letters. I know what I did, but

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it's bg f g h f g g GGG to
be creative. It's an interesting name and I'm sure it
stands for something. And now I have one special shout out.
It's actually a double my double special shout out. Abigail
in Alabama, loves the show. She's been talking to me
on Twitter and she she made a tweet saying, you know,

(08:18):
hopefully she'ld get one day a tweet or a mention
on Hillbilly horror stories. And I sent her a message
and told her I would, and she said, instead of
giving me one, will you give my brother Eli one
because he's in basic training right now. And I thought
that was very sweet of her, very so Abigail and Eli,

(08:40):
both of you get shout outs, and Eli, thank you
so much for your service.

Speaker 5 (08:43):
Absolutely, thank you, honey. We'll be praying for you.

Speaker 2 (08:46):
With that being said, we just released our second Patreon
episode so July. That was, Yeah, it was. It was
really cool. We did the Legend of Cropsy, which I
think was pretty cool, and then we did a couple
of story about a mysterious hole in Missouri, and we
also did another story that was I guess kind of

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a curse type situation. So no sense in going into that.
It's there if you guys want to go listen to it.
Now let's get into this show. I don't know how
much people believe about near death experiences. I tried not
to make this a religious type situation, but I did
want to split it up because most of the time,

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if somebody has a near death experience, they usually have
a I guess you could say they see the bright light,
or they see a heaven situation, or they see a
hell situation. I don't know how many of our listeners
are really religious, or how many or not religious, or
have many believe in heaven or hell, and so it's

(09:50):
a unique stories when we start talking about those kind
of things, because our average story talk about life after
death when you talk about ghost or something like that.
But the specifics of heaven and hell are different for
every religion. And I don't want to step on any toes.
But I did find two stories that I thought were
really interesting, and they both go in two different directions,

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so we'll start with those. Tracy, how are you doing today?

Speaker 5 (10:16):
I'm just finest for all hair.

Speaker 2 (10:18):
And once that crap you're drinking right there, Man, I
don't know, but.

Speaker 5 (10:21):
It smells like crap. It's called spark and it's supposed
to give you energy, and all it's done for me
is make me not like the smell. I haven't even
tasted it yet.

Speaker 2 (10:31):
But obviously they will not be a sponsor anytime soon.
I can't imagine why we don't have ads with those
kind of reviews.

Speaker 5 (10:41):
I should have said, I'm drinking Beepepeep.

Speaker 2 (10:47):
Sound like the girls from that And that's why we
drink right out the bad They think they're gonna think
we're ripping them off.

Speaker 5 (10:52):
Hey, I just take a drunk. I mean a drink
A drunk. I didn't whoops, it's not that bad. Really,
it's not too bad. I need some energy in my life.

Speaker 2 (11:02):
Well good, Okay, let's get this. Let's get this story
going here. The first one we're gonna talk about. We're
not gonna get into last names or anything, but we're
gonna talk about a gentleman named Messiah fittingly, and this
happened in two thousand and three. What happened basically was
was Messiah. I'm gonna give you some background on what happens.

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A week can cover the whole instance. But Messiah was
actually living in Minnesota. He moved to Detroit, but he
still had a bunch of family in Minnesota, so he
will go back for visits. Well, on one of these
visits he had, he came back because he had a
girlfriend and his son Isaiah girlfriend Samka, and his son

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Isaiah still live in Minnesota. So he goes back on
one of these trips and he brings his mom with
him because he's also got two brothers staying there, so
he figures they could all get together and have a
good time. They were staying at this hotel. The hotel
had a pool, and Samika, his girlfriend, dropped him and
his son Isaiah off, and you know, reminded him because

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he said, you know, we're gonna get all the kids together.
There's a bunch of kids there. We're gonna get them
all together and go to the pool. And she reminded
him to be careful because he can't swim. I don't
know how to swim. So she's going home. She drops
them off, and they get all the kids together and
uh bessides down at the pool with all these little
younger kids, and his brother Leonard basically said, hey, look,

(12:31):
nine kids is probably a little too much for you
to keep up with. Let me go upstairs. I'll change
into my trunks and we'll come down and I'll help
you out here. When the process of Leonard being up
changing his trunks, my sign noticed that his young little niece, Carra,
she's kind of running around you know, the outside of
the He thought she was gonna allways, trying to keep

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an eye. She does slip, but she kind of grabs
onto the ladder, so she didn't actually go in. But
I guess in a panic, he was trying to run somehow.
Another he slips, hits his head, falls under the pool
and he's unconscious. He's underwater, and he starts breathing water

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into his lungs, which obviously is how you typically drown.
And he starts he said that, you know, after the fact,
that the sensation of drowning was you couldn't hear anything,
you couldn't feel anything, and you couldn't touch anything, but
you could.

Speaker 5 (13:32):
He could see like a bunch of bubbles and stuff.

Speaker 2 (13:35):
Yeah, he was seeing. That was the first thing. He
said that there was these huge bubbles, like bigger than
his head that would be like one right after the
other after the other after the other, and he said
they would just kind of float away. But then he
blacked out. Well, Leonard about this time comes down. He
comes outside and he's looking for his brother and he
don't see him, and he's like, hey, where's you know,

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where's massaiat? And the kids. I'll start pointing out the
pool where he looks down and at first he said
he thought he was just like playing a game or something.
And he says, because he was looking at him, his
eyes were open, he was looking at him, you know,
he's looking at him. And then the kids, they don't
think that he's playing just some kind of a game
or something. He's just you know, under the water and
playing you know, the longest version of you know, Marco

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Polo or some shit. And you know, of course, his
brother Leonard, he notices something's wrong at this point. It's
clicking to him, and but he can't swim either, and
he's got one of the big poles out there, I guess,
like a skimmer or something, and he's trying to reach
him and try to pull him up, and that's not working,
so he starts screaming for help. First of all, I'd

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like to think that if I saw somebody that was
part of my family that was drowning and was at
the bottom of a pool, even if I couldn't swim,
I'd like to think that I would last gave an
attempt of jumping in a damn pool. Yeah, but that's
just me who might have criticized this guy. So he
starts screaming and and this guy comes down's coming down
the steps. He hears him. He runs over. He takes

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off his jacket, takes off his shoes, which is nice
that you know he took the time to take off
his jacket and his shoes while somebody's drounding. But I guess,
once again, that's just me. He gets in there, pulls
him out, gets him on the side of the pool,
and he is basically been underwater for five minutes at
this point, and I mean five minutes, as we've discussed before,

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underwater his eternity. So he gets him up there, he's
trying to kind of start doing some CPR on him.
His eyes are completely closed. At this point. Two bystanders
called the paramedics. Ambulance comes and they start doing CPR.
About a minute and a half after they start the CPR,

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he starts spitting up water, so that's a good sign.
He's got a slight pulse, but he's deeply unconscious. Now
the son and I don't know how old the son is.
That doesn't get any details in that, but he's old
enough to call his mom's house and she's just getting
home by now. She's walking in the door. She's putting

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her purse down. She hears the phone ringing. She runs
over to the phone and it's her son and he says,
Dad died. I need you, We need you to come back.
Could you imagine that conversation. Not Dad was in the
pool or we think Dad died, right, And she gets

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in and she immediately runs up. Now she's coming back
to the hotel and as she gets close, when she's
about to the road to turn onto the hotel, and
the ambulance passes her by. Okay, so this call came
before the ambulance even got there. These actually happened simultaneously.
And she gets to the parking lot and she sees

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his two brothers sitting there crying. The Siah seeing his
two brothers and she's like, you know, she knew something
was up because these guys are like tough guys, they
don't cry for anything, right, and to see them upset,
she knew something bad was happening. They get him in
the ambulance take off. She goes upstairs to get his

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mom to try to take her to the hospital. While
he's in the ambulance, his heart stops. It stops flat
lines for a second time now. Messiah said that he
sees himself at this time in a hospital bed, but

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he didn't have any injuries to himself. He didn't have
any what do you call it ivs or anything in it.
It's just a beautiful, perfect room. White curtains, white linens
on the bed. He's got a robe bond that's white,
and he said in everything in it looked like brand new.

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He said, there wouldn't a crease in the robe, there
wouldn't any creases, and it was just perfect, so much
to the point that it just didn't seem real. He's
got a nurse in the room, but she's keeping her
back to him the whole time. She's always fiddling with something,
either the curtains or something on a stand or something,
but she's never looking back. And eventually she turns to
him and says, you'll be fine. Now. What was strange

(18:19):
about this is the nurse looked amazingly like his girlfriend Samika. Wow.
He said. She was a little bit lighter skinned, not
quite as heavy, and a little bit younger, but she
looked amazingly so much to the point where he's like,
that has to be my girlfriend, right, and well, about

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this time, you know, this is all going on in
his head. Well, at the same time, Samika and Massia's
mom arrive. They go in, they get to the room,
they say, hey, we got a room for you guys.
Set aside. They bring them back there. Mom just pretty
much collapses into a corner. She's totally upset. I'm going
to lose my baby. And these doctor is, two er

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doctors and three nurses. They come out. They said the
problem is that his lungs are filled with chlorinated water,
and chlorine in the water attacks the lungs, It attacks
the liver, and it attacks the kidneys, and his organs
were shutting down. They told him to stay there and
they would let them know when something's going on. Samika

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wanted to see him, obviously being her boyfriend father of
her son. She runs back to the and kind of
sneaks back to where the room that they're working on
it and Messiah this time, in his mind, like I said,
he's seeing something completely different than what they're seeing. He
feels good. I mean, he said, after the trauma of

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drowning and seeing everything that went on there, this you know,
being in the hospital with nothing going on, he's got
a nurse that looks just like his girlfriend. He feels
pretty damn good. But he's said at that point he
started to black out. He went into complete darkness. But
then he starts hearing voices. They were kind of whispers

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at first, and they would get a little bit louder,
but it was he said, he couldn't really make out who,
but he was hearing stuff like you're gonna be okay,
don't be afraid. He said, at this point, it was
a parent that he was dead. Now, at this point
in time, Samka's in there checking stuff out, and the
doctors are using the paddles shocking his heart. She can

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see him, you know, go up in the air, like
his whole body raises from the shock. Yeah, and then
just hit back down hard. She can hear people and
they're talking and they're saying stuff like, you know, we
need you just to stay with us now, keep fighting.
And she said, at that point in time, she felt

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him leave her. Even though they didn't say anything. She
just felt it.

Speaker 5 (20:58):
Even though they didn't call it right, they hadn't called
it that.

Speaker 2 (21:01):
She just gut like a gut feeling. Now, keep in mind,
Messiah now is starting to hear these voices even louder,
which is corresponding with him flatlining, and he said that
now he can make out who they are. One of
them is his aunt that he lost in a tragic accident.

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One of them is his cousin, one of them is
his grandma. All these people are deceased, and they're telling
him to keep moving. Everything will be okay. Now he's
confused and concerned at the same time at this point
because he doesn't really know what they're talking about, and
he's asking questions and they're completely ignoring. It's like they

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don't hear him asking anything. He can hear them, but
so he's like, this is not making any sense to
me at all, And now the voice is begin to
get louder and louder. Eventually he looks up and he
sees two lights off in a distance, and as he
gets a little bit closer, a little bit closer, he
can see it's actually two torches, like on Survivor. So,

(22:08):
I don't know if there were tiki torches or you know,
that's weird. Yeah, So instead of the white light like
you hear people usually seeing, he saw two torches. Now
let's go back to the hospital room. Samika. She hears
the beep that infamous flat line, yeah, the infamous flat
line beat. The doctor says, we lost him. The nurse

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is like, MASSI, we need you to, you know, keep
fighting for us, buddy. And at this point, the blood's
not pumping through his body. His legs are swollen twice
the size they should be, and they're starting to turn blue.
Oh yeah. The Messiah gets on the other end of it.

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Massiah says that he's getting closer to these torches now.
As he's walking, he sees tons and tons of gold,
I mean, golden goblets, golden coins. He gets a little closer,
and his fear starts to worsen because he's donning on him.
You know, first of all, I'm dead, yeah, which I

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already thought. But this is hell. Oh no, this has
got to be hell. He says he sees a figure sitting,
not in a chair, not in the throne, just on
this giant heap of gold. And he said this figure
was huge, twelve feet tall minimum. He had a bull's
head but a human face. He had a very menacing

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look on his face. He said he had the horns
that came out from like the front of his head.
And just went down and around it just kind of
curved around. Oh lord, no, I couldn't. And he said
he was terrified. He said that, you know, I'm sitting
here seeing Satan face to face. I'm dead and I'm

(23:57):
going to hell, and there's not a damn thing basically
I can do about it. You know, at this point,
you just have to accept it is what it is.
And you know, obviously he's got some concerns. Now Here's
the funny thing that we're going to talk about here
is it's an interesting fact. I thought ninety percent of

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all drowning victims are never revived. Ninety percent are not revived,
so only ten percent of all drowning victims actually end
up retting.

Speaker 5 (24:27):
I had no clue.

Speaker 2 (24:29):
Now he's saying in his mind, you know, I've tried
to stay out of trouble as a kid, but at
this point I've just got to accept it. There's no
turning back. So he's not asking his dead relatives at
this point what's going on or or you know, he's
just basically saying, what do you want me to do?

Speaker 5 (24:50):
Well? I mean, but I would be thinking probably back
in my mind, like I mean, that was a good person,
why am I going to?

Speaker 2 (24:56):
Hell? Well, I mean you could think that, but.

Speaker 5 (24:58):
But I mean I was like, you said, there's a
you can do about it, but I would.

Speaker 2 (25:01):
Be thinking, what the hell am My dead relatives told
me to keep going? Keep going when they know where
I'm going to the hell? What the hell kind of
game is this? Yeah?

Speaker 5 (25:10):
Not a very good one.

Speaker 2 (25:11):
So he basically asks, He's like, what do you want
me to do? And they're saying, look, just keep going,
It's going to be fine. And he said, at that time,
Satan just starts looking around as like who are they
talking to? It's almost like that he didn't even see Satan,
didn't even see him there at all.

Speaker 5 (25:34):
Oh the relatives.

Speaker 2 (25:36):
Yeah, So then he hears the relatives and all of
a sudden it was like, oh, who are they talking to?
So now he said, he's about fifty yards away from Satan,
and like I said, Satan's not paying any attention to him.
And at this point, he's like, you know what, if
I'm going, I'm making a scene. He says, I'm cussing,

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I'm screaming pretty much. If you want me, then here
I am blah blah blah blah. And he says, now
he's about twenty five yards from Satan. Oh gosh, he said,
Satan just looks at him. He said, he's looking dead
in his eye. The whispers kind of died down, and

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just that he says, he hears his grandma. She's the
only one now that he can hear. Here's his grandma
say Everything's going to be okay. He said. At that point,
Satan just kind of leaned forward from his seat, looked
at him dead in the eye, and then just kind
of just set back in his seat as if he

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was just saying, nah, I think I'll pass for now.
And he said, at that point in time, Grandma again
said I told you everything would be all right. And
then he said he kind of eased into darkness and
fell asleep. Wait is grandma and hell I think Grandma
was like on the outskirts of Hell.

Speaker 5 (27:02):
Oh my gosh, that's so confusing.

Speaker 2 (27:04):
Yeah, because he was living in Detroit, so that kind
of is the outskirts of Hell.

Speaker 5 (27:08):
Stop.

Speaker 2 (27:09):
Sorry, dan'lle So when Daniell get all mad at me,
but so he goes now he's like back asleep again.
And the doctors at this point in time, and when
I tell these things I'm trying to make a correspond
so that's what he's seeing. He goes falls into this darkness.
We at that same time, you got somebody jumps on

(27:31):
top of his chest and they're like beating the hell
out of him trying to get him to come back,
and he comes back to life. Yay. Now, the doctors
talk to Mom, they talked to Samka and they say, look,
we're going to put him in a medical coma. And
the reason they were doing that is because he had
been out for so long that they said he was

(27:54):
going to need long term care. Basically, he was brain
dead and he was a vegetable. He was not going
to wake up. And it was just that simple. They
did a test, and a test you had to score
eight just even for them to have a hope that
you were gonna be able to have any kind of
bring activity. And the best he scored on it was
a four. Oh so yeah, needless to say, they did

(28:16):
not feel really confident about it, so they put him
in this coma and after a little bit, Mom told
him said, look, I want you to take him off
all this medicine and get him out of this coma.
And the doctors were like man that that is a
huge mistake because when we take him off of here,
he's not gonna make it and he's not gonna last
very long at all. She said, I'm his mom, and

(28:39):
if I tell him to wake up, he will wake up.
Oh you go girl, Yeah, no shit. So they take
him off the medicine. Mom's sitting there, she's, you know,
I need you to wake up, Massiah. Massiah, wake up.
He opens his eyes and he said he can see.
It took him a few minutes. He was you know,
his eyes were moving but still closed, but they could

(29:01):
see something happening. He wakes up and he says that
his eyesight was really blurry, but he could look up
and eventually saw his mom and she smiled at him.

Speaker 5 (29:12):
Ah, happy ending.

Speaker 2 (29:16):
His right lung had completely collapsed, and the doctors all
said that this was a medical miracle. There is no
possible way that he should not. He suffered a zero
brain damage.

Speaker 5 (29:28):
Oh my lord, he had nothing.

Speaker 2 (29:31):
Zero brain damage is a miracle. Now you want to
talk about happy ending. So then Messiah, he starts telling Samika.
He wakes up. You know, when he first starts talking,
he tells Samenka that she's pregnant.

Speaker 5 (29:46):
Huh, that's what comes out of his mouth.

Speaker 2 (29:48):
First takes what he tells her, and she's like, whoa,
I don't even know what you're talking about. And he said,
you're pregnant. He said, do you know if you're pregnant
or not? She says, no, I don't know if I'm
pregnant not. So a nurse went out and discreetly slipped
her a pregnancy test, to which she found out she

(30:09):
was pregnant. So then she goes to him and she's like,
how in the world would you know I'm pregnant? And
he said, because while I was gone, I was in
a hospital room and I saw someone that looked so
much like you. It was a nurse that that could
only be your daughter. And he said I was in

(30:31):
the future at some point, but he said, I promise
you that was your daughter. And that's what that told me.

Speaker 5 (30:37):
Yay, that's good.

Speaker 2 (30:39):
Yep, he said. A half hour out of his coma,
he proposed to her.

Speaker 5 (30:44):
Oh my goodness.

Speaker 2 (30:45):
Three months later they got married. Three months later they
had a daughter born, and ten months later another baby.

Speaker 5 (30:52):
Oh they got busy.

Speaker 2 (30:53):
Yeah, he was taking advantage of that shit.

Speaker 5 (30:56):
Oh that was such a good story.

Speaker 2 (30:58):
It's the story of so depending on what you believe
in or what your beliefs are. According to Messiah, he
felt like that during this time that he wouldn't necessarily
meant to go to hell, but this was a vision
that he was given to pretty much say, when you
get back, make sure you're on a straight and arrow.

Speaker 5 (31:21):
Wow, it's so amazing that this is like a true story.

Speaker 2 (31:25):
Yeah, it was a really cool story. I think, oh wow.
And you know, there was a lot of these stories
we could have done, but I'm not gonna lie. So
many of them almost sounded the same. Yeah, that I
tried to pick the ones that were the most interesting,
that I thought would that really had a better storyline.
That was why that one was the first one.

Speaker 5 (31:45):
Yeah, that chose really good.

Speaker 2 (31:47):
Obviously, there was one that we looked at. This guy
that was twenty years old, great looking guy, egotistical. He
was in a plane wreck, another one of these medical miracles.
Shouldn't have lived. He had burns over ninety of his
body and he but you know, he saw some similar things.
Now he came back. Now he's really religious. He does

(32:07):
nothing but try to preach and teach people. And there's
a lot of those stories out there. A young lady
that at fifteen years old shot herself in a chest
would a gone. She had her parents were divorced. She
just was unhappy, felt like so she meant to do it. Oh, yeah,
she meant. She felt like that that And what was

(32:28):
odd about her situation is she was getting ready to
shoot herself in the head, and she said she heard
a voice tell her, don't shoot yourself in the head
because it will disfigure you, and then your parents will
had that memory all their life. And then for some reason,
if you live and that, you'll have to live with

(32:48):
the deformity. So she put it to her chest. Well,
in that story, so this wasn't one of the ones
we meant to tell, but so we'll just skim over it.
But in that story, she says that she put the
gun to her chest. It was a thirty eight Special,
and she pulled the trigger. She could feel the blood
living her body. She felt her soul leave her body,

(33:09):
and she basically went to hell. She could see all
the torment and she could see everything, and she said,
while she was down there, she a huge hand came
down and picked her up and took her up to
heaven and explained to her that it wasn't her time
and that she was loved and she felt a love
up there that she had never felt on earth. And

(33:31):
the next thing you know, she was put back into
her body in the house, and she said when the
ambulance came, she had missed her heart by about a
quarter of an inch. Oh wow, she wasn't dead. She
had a miraculous recovery where she had no effects at all.
The only thing she really done was broke two ribs,

(33:52):
and by holding a thirty eight special where she did
in her chest, it should have demolished her heart, and
for some reason, it didn't even touch her heart.

Speaker 5 (34:00):
Okay, So I mean, I have a question I've always
heard and I don't even know, but if you commit suicide,
that's automatic the.

Speaker 2 (34:09):
Hell you go. That's a that's a good question because
most religions believe that, and for the longest time growing up,
that's what I always heard, and that's what I always believed.
But I've listened to a lot of shows, and I
listened to a lot of guests, and there's I can't

(34:30):
think of his name, but I'm going to try to
get him on the show. He's a doctor, been doing
it for thirty years. But he's been on a couple
of different shows. He was on Jim Harold's Paranormal podcast.
He was also on After the Darkness or that is
that what it is? Beyond the Darkness podcast And he's
thirty been a a psychologist for thirty years, and he

(34:53):
had a brother commit suicide over twenty years ago. He
claims he communicates with his brother and his brother told
him that that's not what happen spens when you die,
really that he said his brother said that you basically
are an energy, and then when you die, you go
up to almost take classes on how to become a
better person when you come back, and that you can

(35:14):
either come back as a person when you're ready, or
you can come back as a butterfly or an insect
on shorter lessons, or you can just come back as
an energy and just help people.

Speaker 3 (35:25):
You know.

Speaker 2 (35:25):
That's that's what he says. But he tries to be
adamant that he knows for a fact that people that
commit suicide don't go to Hell because they commit suicide.

Speaker 5 (35:35):
Well that's a good thing to know, because I mean,
I've had an uncle that's done it, and it has
followed me to know and thinking that that's what happened,
and I would, you know, I hope it didn't doesn't happen,
you know, I just I don't know. I just feel
so bad that people feel that desperate that they need
to do that. But I just never knew. I just
always just kind of curious.

Speaker 2 (35:56):
And who knows. I mean, who knows. We still don't know.
Nobody's got an opinion. But you know, I've heard from
some of these stories were that I've looked into. I've
heard that people you know, that have tried to commit
suicide that felt like they were in hell, and then
people who near death experiences that were solved God and
they were in heaven. And then I've heard stories like

(36:18):
his where he says that there really is no heaven
or hell. It's just you just keep living as as
an energy and then you come back as something somewhere
down the road. And then you got like the people
in India and a lot of the Hindu religions and
the Eastern religions, they believe in reincarnation. So I mean,
as the years have gone and the more and more

(36:40):
I look into stuff, I am more confused than I
ever was. As to what happens when we die, I
know for a fact that from my own personal experiences,
if we've discussed on the show before that obviously, when
you die, that's not the end. People do come back,
people do talk to you. You know. I've had my
experiences with my mom, and people have had experiences with

(37:02):
their relatives and stuff like that. So we know that
you at least continue on in one facet or another.
So as to what form, who knows.

Speaker 5 (37:12):
Will that'd be cool to know you could come back
as something different.

Speaker 2 (37:15):
Yep, that would be cool. I'd probably come back as
like I want to be a bird, and they'd send
me back as a chicken and I'd be on the
Colonel Sanders Ranch.

Speaker 5 (37:24):
Or something, No doubt, that would be kind terrible.

Speaker 2 (37:27):
Send me back as a turkey right around Thanksgiving time.
That's great. Okay, let's talk about our other story. Now,
other story. It's a touching story too, because unfortunately it
deals with a child, and this one kind of has
a happy ending, but it kind of don't. So here's

(37:48):
what we got. This is the story happened in nineteen
ninety eight, the story that I read about and did
the research on was actually told by his mother. Jeremy
was a ten year old kid when this happened to him.
He was in a similar drowning accident. And I don't
know a lot of details as to what happened, but

(38:11):
he was actually dead for forty minutes. Oh think about that, Messiah,
and the story we told was gone for like five minutes,
and then the other time was like five minutes. So
I didn't really say that, but in the other time
when he flatlined, that second time, he was out for
about five minutes. This kid was legally dead for forty minutes.

(38:35):
The doctors told his parents he was going to be
a vegetable. No offends or butts. He was brain dead
and on life support, and he was on life support
for five days. He snapped out of it. His mind
once again was completely fine, zero damage, but his lungs
and heart were not fine. The damage from not having

(38:59):
the blood pump and stuff like that did some damage. Now,
I'm going to spoil this right off the bat, because
unfortunately Jeremy did die when he was thirteen, so three
years later he did pass away. But the things that
happened in that meantime are what we're going to talk about,
and the mom said that when he was drowning in

(39:21):
the water. This is after he was revived and was
able to talk. He says that while he was in
the water drowning, a man walked towards him. He described him,
keep mind us as a ten year old kid, as
in a white robe, long brown curly hair, golden eyes,

(39:42):
and he looked like a rock and rolled dude. This
is how he described him. And the mom says that
the little boy said at the beginning of the dream
or the situation that he thought it was Jesus. And
he said when Jesus was walking towards him that there
was this black hole that kind of opened up in

(40:03):
the water, and this scary looking creature came out and
was trying to grab him. He said, Jesus looked at
him and said kick him in the teeth. And he
was like what, and he said, yeah, go ahead, kick
him in the teeth, and he said, so he kicked
him in the teeth and it made this god awful

(40:23):
noise and then went right back into the hole and
the hole just disappeared, and Jesus told him, he said, look,
I know your mother, and I'm coming to take you
to another place. So take my hand, he said. He
took Jesus's hand, and then they just started flying, and
he said they were flew up. They were in the clouds,

(40:45):
and everything was so super fluffy and pretty. He said.
They went up further where he could see everything down below.
He said, then they were past the Earth. They were
past the universe, where he could see all the planets.
And he said, and then Jesus took him to a
city where everything was crystallized, and he said the streets

(41:09):
were gold and super sparkly. There were mansions everywhere, all
of them were sparkling. And he said, all the colors
up there were more beautiful than any of the colors
he'd ever seen here on Earth. That's awesome. And he said.
The other thing that was strange was there were lots
of babies where he was. There were babies everywhere, and

(41:30):
there were workers up there that took care of the
babies until someone from their family got there to take
care of them. Now, the mom says she thought her
theory was maybe these were aborted babies. Maybe these were
just babies that had died when they were infants or
born dead, or she wasn't really sure. But that was

(41:51):
just her opinion of why there would be so many.
It's almost like where he was, it was like it
was nothing but babies and kids. Yeah, like there was
a section you know there for that. He said. Everybody
up there was so super friendly that and loving. He
had never felt so much love, and he's told his mom,

(42:12):
he said, I love you so much, but I didn't
want to leave. It was so nice. And he said
the thoughts like if you had a question that as
soon as the question popped in your mind, you automatically
knew the answer. It's almost, he said, it was almost
like you had the mind of Jesus while you were
up there. So then he asked, which I found this

(42:36):
kind of odd, but I'm not who am I to pick?
But he said, he asked Jesus what would happen to
his mom and brother? And I'm thinking that kind of
contradicts what he just said. What you got to ask
Jesus for it? If you just said you know the answer.
But anyway, who am I? He discussed. He said, Jesus
told him a bunch of stuff that was going to
happen in the future. He said, first of all, there

(42:59):
was going to be a World War three, which was
going to be a horrible experience for the Earth. He
said that his brother was going to go in the
military and he was going to get on the wrong
side of life, but eventually he would figure it out. Okay.
He asked where his mom was during World War three,
and he said his mom was already gone by that time,

(43:22):
so she was already in heaven at that time. Well,
so his mom starts talking about World War three and
he said, well, here's the worst part. World War three
is going to be bad, but the worst part is
Satan is going to send demons and they're going to

(43:45):
be alien demons to wage war on the world. And
she says, what do you mean alien demons And he's like, well,
people are going to think they're aliens coming from outer space,
but they're really demons. But they're going to think that
and that's they're part of Satan's army and they're just
going to wage war. He said, the World War three

(44:08):
is going to be bad, but nothing like the war
of these demons. He said, they're gonna come down, they're
going to destroy and they're gonna eat people. What that crap? Yeah,
for real, now, Jeremy said, told his mom it wasn't
his time to go, and that he was going to
die when his mission was complete. She has no clue

(44:32):
what his mission is. He has no clue what his
mission is. But she said the day that he died,
or a couple of days technically after he died, is
when she realized what his mission was.

Speaker 3 (44:45):
What is it?

Speaker 2 (44:46):
Well, there was a church ceremony the day that he
died where they used his testimony as a or what
do you call it? They used as a testimony to
try to get a message across the kids in the church.
Fourteen kids came to the altar to be saved that night.

Speaker 1 (45:07):
Oh and.

Speaker 2 (45:11):
Basically everybody talked about what a great kid he was,
what a good example he was for the extra three
years that he was on the earth. And now this
pastor is telling her that his story basically saved fourteen
kids that night. So in the reality, his mission was
completed by his death.

Speaker 5 (45:31):
Oh, that's amazing and using.

Speaker 2 (45:33):
His story and that is the story of young Jeremy.

Speaker 5 (45:37):
But I don't like that story.

Speaker 2 (45:38):
Well, but like I said, it had he was I
think he was content knowing that that's what he was
supposed to do.

Speaker 5 (45:48):
Yeah, I mean, I get all that, but I don't
like the future thing. Right, Well, I don't want to
be eight eight eating Yeah, any of them.

Speaker 2 (46:01):
I'm aware. Anyways, let's go on. Are you over it now?
You're fine, I'm good. Let's move on to the next story.
We're gonna completely change gears here because that that is
a sad story. I'm not gonna lie. That's a very
sad story. But we're gonna change gears and we're going

(46:23):
to talk about Mount Shasta. Have you ever heard of
Mount Shasta? I had never heard of Mount Chast. I've
heard of Shasta the strikes, but turns out they're nowhere
near the same. Yeah Shasta. Mount Shasta is in northern California,
and it's deep in folklore. This stuff goes way back now.

(46:48):
Supposedly it's inhabited by a race of giant humans. That
was the first thing. Tons of bigfoot sightings and aliens
and UFO sightings. Native Americans used to talk about that
there were tiny people that would throw rocks when they
entered into the area, and then there was people that

(47:10):
say that there's an advanced city underneath the mountain. Supposedly,
with the situation, you hear a lot about Atlantis and
the people were so advanced and technology and everything. Well,
that's supposedly the same type of people that live here
under the mountain. So you got some of the first

(47:31):
accounts from white settlers were people on a train that
would see these lights, as you know, if they're driving
bound a train, they would look over and they would
see these lights, but it looked like that it was
coming from like inside the mountain rather than around them,
if that makes any sense. I guess that's kind of
like one of those what's those Himalayan salt lamps or whatever.

(47:55):
And so there was, like I said, there was supposed
to be a race of high intelligent beans that walked
the earth centuries ago that now lived inside the mountain.
And there would be some talking about some stuff a
little bit that'll kind of play into that. So let's
go back into eighteen ninety three. There's a gentleman by
the name of Frederick Oliver. He had an encounter. He

(48:19):
was marking some boundaries for his family, and he just
started to shake and convulse. It was like he was
his hand was like shaking to the point like it
was trying to write something, even though he didn't have
a pan or pencil in his hand. He runs home
to his mom and she sees him doing the same thing,
so she puts a pen in his hand or a pencil,

(48:42):
and he starts writing some stuff down. Well, she really
doesn't know what the hell he's writing down. And he
wrote for a few minutes, and he was in like
a translate state. And we talked about that before as
a term of addomatic writing is what they call that
back when we did the led Zeppelin, and we said
that that's how Robert Plant supposedly wrote through heaven. So
he wrote for a few minutes. Then this actually went

(49:06):
on for a few years. I mean he would go
on these transits and just start writing stuff. Well, eventually
he had a whole book and he called it The
Dweller of Two Planets. The book was described described the
race of living on Mount Shasta, and he said that
he saw a cigar shaped airship. Now keep in mind

(49:28):
we're talking in the late eighteen hundreds of early nineteen hundreds,
the whole UFO stuff, thirties and the forties is when
we start hearing about UFOs and all this stuff. He
mentions a cigar shape, and there's been plenty of people
over the years say they see cigar shaped a UFO,
so that kind of ties into it. Well, in this

(49:51):
book he's talking about the airships. He's talking about that,
and it was groundbreaking because this guy didn't really have
an education. He wasn't the sharpest knife in the drawer
by any means. But in this book he talks about
mass transit, he talks about anti gravity, zero energy, quantum mechanics.

(50:17):
How the hell does he know about all this stuff?
But yeah, so he knows about all this stuff. And
this took a lot of people by storm that this
guy would know any of this stuff. I mean some
of this ship. When you talk about zero energy and
quantum mechanics, they weren't really even talked about till years
way after that. So now we've got a guy named Edward.

(50:41):
This is the whole different story. We're gonna move on.
This guy named Edward. He starts seeing the southern side
of the of the mountain and he's got reddish and
green lights. So he has the guy on to train.
This is another guy on training. He's like, what the
hell is that? And the guy said that, oh, it's
the Lemons. They did it. Here's no clue what that means.

Speaker 5 (51:05):
What is that?

Speaker 2 (51:06):
No, nobody knows. That's what they guy was saying the
les Yeah, it's like that's what the guy on the
train told this other guy that it was the Lemanans,
And so I guess that's a race of people, like
part of these people. But that's what people were thinking
back there. In nineteen thirty one, a guy named Andrew Thomas.

(51:28):
He said that there was a forest fire and it
started going up the mountain and then there was like
a fog type thing that developed all the way around
it and it like put the fire out. It's like
it's almost like it was saying, no, you're not coming
up here. It's like distinguished itself. And the thing of
it is is there was no real damage done from
any of the fire. Even the trees and stuffy were

(51:49):
on fire, it was like there was no damage. It
was almost like this fire never happened. And several people
have come over the years and so that they had
encounters with some of the cool ones. And we talked
about this before. We did a story a couple of
weeks ago, and we were talking about the guy that
just disappeared from Georgia.

Speaker 5 (52:08):
Oh yeah, the guy with the and that was working
on them.

Speaker 4 (52:11):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (52:12):
Yeah, And we talked about how some of these places
that people just disappear out in the forest and they'll
reappear and they don't have their clothes on and stuff
like that. Well these kind of some of these things
have happened here at Mount Shasta. For example, there was
a young boy and his grandpa grandmammy. They were out
just walking around the mountain doing some hiking and stuff.

(52:32):
Grandma passed out. When she woke up, the five year
old boy that she was with, her grandson was missing.
They found the boy a little while later. He said
he was taken by a robot that sounded like his grandma.
They took him to a cave and there were other robots.
Now grandma woke up, but she had this strange puncture

(52:54):
wound on the back of her neck.

Speaker 5 (52:56):
Ah, but it wasn't a vampire now, probably.

Speaker 2 (53:00):
Not, but that was just kind of odd that, you know.
So now we're going to tie this together because then
there was a man that went missing. He was out
hiking long the trails. He went missing. He was gone
for a couple of weeks and they couldn't find him.
They had search parties of think they couldn't find him.
Then all of a sudden, like I said, two weeks later,
he turns up. He said that as he was walking

(53:22):
along the path, he heard a woman singing, and he
kind of went off the path to find her. They
blacked out, he said. He woke up a few hours later.
He was naked and in a cave. He said, there
was this absolutely gorgeous tall woman with the most beautiful

(53:44):
blue eyes he had ever seen. She gave him secrets,
It's what he said. She gave him secrets, but he
refused to tell anybody what the secrets were. He changed
his name to Lord Calkey ka l k I after this.
Now keep in mind, this is a very similar story

(54:04):
that with the little boy told not about the woman.
But once again somebody took in this happened. He blocked out,
ends up in a cave, and but he still supposedly
this day has not told anybody what kind of secrets.
But now he's changed his name and everything, so he's
completely different from what happened. You've got bigfoot sightings, but

(54:25):
the bigfoot sightings here are a little bit different because
people say that the bigfoot they see here sometimes it
disappears in thin air like it's walking, and it just
goes like it's going on a different dimension. And sometimes
they even see Bigfoot get into a UFO.

Speaker 5 (54:43):
So all right, but that'd be good killing two birds
of ones stone.

Speaker 2 (54:46):
Yeah, but you know, we talked about that. I talked
that with Jim Harold when I had him on the show,
because there are some people that think that Bigfoot and
all that stuff, that big It is an alien that
it's just that's you know, that's why we can't find
anything of them. That's why there's no that makes sense. Yeah,

(55:06):
that's why there's no bones found or any of that
stuff that you know. And a lot of these places
where you have Bigfoot sightings, you do have a lot
of UFO sighting, So that could very well be to sing.

Speaker 5 (55:16):
He probably just says, beat me up, Yeah, jail man,
that's that's some bull crap. All these people out here
looking for him and here he's just going up in
the outer space.

Speaker 2 (55:28):
So anyways, that's that's our show for this week. Guys.
I hope you had a good time with it. It's
a little bit, a little bit different, little than what
we normally do with the heaven and the hell thing,
which is why, by the way, we started off with
Wallbeat because that was heaven nor Hell. I thought it
was a perfect song for what we were doing, So
you don't want to go bad either way. Yeah, thank

(55:49):
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