2045 Annabelle, Toxic Lady, Cursed movie sets

Tracy is on vacation so Jerry has his and Tracy's kids sit in for 5 awesome stories!

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hello, He'll Billy family, Welcome to episode two thousand and
forty five of Hill Billy Horror Stories. How the heck
are you? How is your week? I hope the weekend's
going even better? And who knows? With this episode, perhaps,

(00:21):
just perhaps it will be the start of a better week.
If you're having a bad week or a bad weekend,
just remember this too, shall come to an end. Tonight.
You go to bed, you'll sleep, wake up in the morning,
and just like it's a new day, it's a new start.

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Take advantage of that. So on this week's episode, Tracy
is on vacation, so Jerry has his and Tracy's kids
sit in for five awesome stories. Stories like Annabelle the
Toxic Lady, Kurt's movie sets, and more.

Speaker 2 (01:04):
And remember, folks, the hill Billy Horror Stories Halloween Special
two thousand and twenty five will be released in the
next few weeks. I am so happy that you guys
can enjoy this, and I hope you look forward to
listening to this year's episode of the Hillbilly Halloween Special.

Speaker 3 (01:23):
Until then, love you, Why bye.

Speaker 4 (01:37):
It's about to be your pune ride. Follow a law
watch as we slip Heaven Normal just hit the lights,
goose bumps all through the night, mixing just a little
bit of twaining that girl show can't do a thing together.
Hell Billy's go win thing that's so hard and aren't
your brain podcast? You won't ever change these two hit
He got the recipe, sat on back and listen in
just some of our talks mystery days.

Speaker 2 (02:00):
Welcome to you, Old Billy Horror Stories.

Speaker 5 (02:04):
Is yours Jerry and Tracy Paul and their old men.
Jo Ah, what's up everyone? This is Clay Wadell, host

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of the Most okayst Podcast, and you are listening to
Hillbilly Horror Stories with Jerry and Tracy Paully.

Speaker 2 (02:38):
Okay, okay, Welcome everybody to episode fifty, the Big five
Oh of hill Billy Horror Stories. This is Jerry and
I am with Tracy. Hey, guys, but Tracy is only
with us for a short time tonight. I told you
last week there was going to be a surprise this
week five stories, but Tracy is not going to be

(03:00):
a part of any of them.

Speaker 6 (03:01):
Okay, stop the applause, stop the applause.

Speaker 2 (03:06):
Well, Tracy actually has a trip to We're actually recording
this earlier earlier in the week, but she's got a
trip to Las Vegas for work, so she won't be here.
So we thought it would be kind of cool to
have each one of our children sit in on a segment.

Speaker 6 (03:21):
Yeah, heathens are heathens.

Speaker 2 (03:24):
So that's kind of what we're going to do. So
we've got my son Austin, my son Alex who you've
heard before, and my daughter Amber, and then we've got
my step son Joshua who you've not heard, and stepdaughter.
Both of those are Tracy's children from a previous marriage.

(03:44):
And Christen has actually been on the show before she
was on the show we did on the Amityville Horror,
so you guys have heard her. So the two of
the five, you guys have heard. And like I said,
we're going to do five different segments and each want
to be a little of a surprise, but uh, it's
gonna be a lot of fun.

Speaker 6 (04:03):
I know.

Speaker 2 (04:03):
We're going to talk about Annabelle, the true story behind Annabelle.
We're gonna talk about Haunted movie curses, the Toxic Woman.
We're gonna talk about Vince Neil from Motley Crue, and
a very interesting story that we're going to do a Christen.
I'm going to keep us a surprise right at the
very end, even to her, No, she knows what it is.

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We we've had a lot of people ask us about
depic boxes, and we decided we were going to do one,
probably the most famous story of a depiic box.

Speaker 6 (04:32):
So oh, so you just told I know you cannot
keep a secret secret.

Speaker 7 (04:38):
So well, I'm just.

Speaker 6 (04:39):
Gonna say, I'm gonna miss you.

Speaker 2 (04:40):
Guys.

Speaker 6 (04:41):
Don't forget about me or love anybody more than me.

Speaker 2 (04:44):
Not just kidding.

Speaker 6 (04:45):
I'm excited for the kids to do it. They're excited,
and I just think it's going to be a great show.
I will definitely be uh well, we'll I'll be back
by then.

Speaker 2 (04:56):
You come back Sunday night about the time it's released a.

Speaker 6 (04:58):
Bit okay cool, So yeah, I'll be just as surprised
as you guys are.

Speaker 8 (05:03):
Yep.

Speaker 2 (05:03):
So, uh, like I said, we'll get on with the
show and uh stay tuned, and we're just going to
do these in five different segments and it might not
flow like it usually did, but we said it was
going to be different.

Speaker 6 (05:14):
So yeah, and I'm gonna go clean out the slot machines,
eat about five thousand pounds of crab leg.

Speaker 2 (05:22):
And like it's one crab leg.

Speaker 6 (05:25):
Well a bunch of crab legs. Oh my god, have
you all been to Vegas, because they like slice the
crab leg down the middle and all you have to
do is run your fork down it and dip it
in the butter. The butter.

Speaker 2 (05:39):
Pretty sure that they do that in other places beifes. Oh,
I know, but you.

Speaker 6 (05:42):
Don't have to do all that work. All you have
to do is run your fork down it. You don't
even have to crack the crab.

Speaker 2 (05:46):
Well, not everybody gives a fork.

Speaker 6 (05:48):
What. Well, everybody's gonna be looking like, Hello, you got
ten thousand pounds of crab legs on your plate and
I'm gonna leave.

Speaker 7 (05:56):
So what what?

Speaker 2 (05:58):
So for those of you who give the negative review
use on iTunes about you wish Tracy would go ahead
and go This would be a good opportunity to be
able to see how it goes without her. And who knows.
I mean, maybe it does go better.

Speaker 6 (06:08):
Maybe we just you are meaning hateful. I just might
not come back. Don't say promise either, because I knew
you were going to say that.

Speaker 2 (06:17):
All right, guys, thank you so much, and let's sorry
as I push her out the door. Oh gosh, no,
we it is gonna be kind of fun. But I
wonder to sit in at least and do a little
at let people know.

Speaker 6 (06:31):
Because my life, it's part of it and I'm going
to miss it. But y'all, I would ask you if
y'all could maybe just say a little prayer for safe
travels and and all that fun stuff. I would appreciate that.

Speaker 2 (06:41):
Even though theoretically when you listen to this, she'll already
be back home. So oh yeah, irrelevant.

Speaker 7 (06:47):
Okay, that was done.

Speaker 2 (06:51):
All right, guess we'll be back shortly with five very
cool ass stories.

Speaker 6 (06:55):
Hey guys, love y'all.

Speaker 2 (06:58):
All right, before we get going too far, I want
to give you a quick shout out to all the
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guys for everything that you do. Some quick iTunes reviews Chotsky,
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Lucia seven seven seven seven seven seven A Jay Dahmer
forty five. I'm hoping that's not Jeffrey Dahmer. Then we
got Labyrinth, we got c Byham at Kentucky Lake, and
then a bunch of letters G D, B I, T C,

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j U, t VS SV something bunch of letters didn't
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X Ray Vision, Misty Pop. Thank you so much for
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That helps us all the way around. Eventually, we would
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for the next one that comes out April first. If
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Tara Van Derveer. I hope I'm saying your name right, Tera.
I hope it's Vandivere because otherwise I butchered it. But
thank you guys so so much. We also had a
couple of people buy some T shirts. We posted some
pictures on the sites. Remember, if you want to join Patreon,
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we actually have had a couple of people do that,
please go to our website, He'll Billy horror stories dot com.
You can do all of that there. The one thing
I do want to put on is the black T
shirts now that are listed as twenty five dollars on
the site, might be twenty so I can't remember what
it is. Twenty five, twenty six dollars on the site.

(09:35):
Anything that's black I can now get in pretty much
any color. So if you click, if you want, say
a shirt in blue, navy blue, sky blue, whatever, just
click on the picture and when it sends out something
to us under the special notes, tell me you wanted
in blue. Tell me you wanted in red burgundy. Get
close to the color you want, and I'll find something

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that matches up close. So that's going to start giving
people a lot a better assortment of shirts than what
we were able to do in a back before. It
was black, gray and white, and that was it. So
without further ado, I wanted to go ahead and start
playing these recordings of all five. One of them was
on for the phone, the other four were in person.
But I think you're gonna enjoy This is a lot

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of cool last stories on here, and we enjoyed doing them,
and we hope you guys enjoy them just as much. Okay,
we are joined by Tracy's daughter, Kristin. Kristen has been
on the show before. She was on our one of
our Amityville Horror episodes. Kristin, glad to have you back.

Speaker 7 (10:33):
Hello everyone, good to be back.

Speaker 2 (10:36):
Tell me that doesn't sound amazingly like.

Speaker 9 (10:40):
I swear it's really her daughter. It sounded exactly alike.
I know we get that all the.

Speaker 2 (10:44):
Time, but it's me what we were deciding to do.
We went back and forth on stories to do together,
and I kind of know the subjects that you're really
into when it comes to paranormal, and I thought this
one would hit close to home. And I'm gonna put
a disclaimer on this right off the bat. I do
not know if this is one hundred percent true story.
I have heard that it's possible that the gentleman that

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put this up on the site it was also a writer,
and so he just may have done a really good
job of writing the story that went along with it.

Speaker 7 (11:15):
No, it sounds pretty real to me.

Speaker 10 (11:17):
It's a really good job regardless.

Speaker 2 (11:19):
And we got some stuff to add to the end
that Kristen may not even be aware of yet. But
we'll go and we'll go ahead and tell the story.
Whether it's true, whether it's not, a still a hell
of a story.

Speaker 7 (11:28):
It's awesome. I loved reading about it.

Speaker 2 (11:31):
We've had several requests over the time of doing this
about depic boxes. And if you are familiar with the
movie The Possession that came out three, four or five
years ago, that movie was actually loosely based on this situation.

Speaker 7 (11:47):
So I have not seen the movie.

Speaker 10 (11:48):
Now the movie the movie is completely different though.

Speaker 2 (11:51):
If the movie's got a bunch of stuff, but it's
but the whole thought of it is they get this
box and it's got these things go along, But as
far as anything happens in a movie, it really doesn't
tie into this. It was just inspired them because the
thought of having a dipig box that could be cursed
with these things, it was good enough to write a movie.
After that. The rest of its well.

Speaker 9 (12:10):
When Jerry told me that we were doing it on
the dipig box and I did some research about it,
I was super excited because it's a wine box and
I love wine. However, I did research and there's no
wine in this box. Actually, there's a lot of weird
things in this box that I.

Speaker 7 (12:27):
Would totally freak out because they sold it on eBay. Correct.

Speaker 10 (12:31):
Correct, That's where all this comes from.

Speaker 2 (12:33):
That was on eBay.

Speaker 9 (12:33):
I love Like I said, I love wine, and I
would be stupid enough to like buy this thing thing
and there's like all kinds of cool wines in it,
but there's not.

Speaker 7 (12:40):
It's like some really weird shit in it.

Speaker 2 (12:43):
But I'd be I'd be honest, I doubt that you
would fall for it because everything that we're going to
tell you in this story, as you researched, is actually
what was in the eBay ad. So this guy everything
we're reading. He put this, Yeah, it was. It was
fully to close like a mob anyway. So all right,
so we're going to talk about the divic box. Here's

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the situation. This guy puts an ad on eBay and
it was in June of two thousand and three. And
here's how he started off. He said, all of the
events that I'm about to set forth in the listing
are accurate and can be verified to the winning bidder
with copies of hospital records that's worn after David's that

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I am including as part of the cell of the
unit here of the cabinet. So he started off with
that disclaimer. So here's what happens. He goes to two
thousand and one to an estate sale in Portland, Oregon.
There was one hundred and three year old woman who
had passed away. She grew up in Poland, she got married,

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had a family. Unfortunately, this was during the time of
World War Two. She was a Holocaust Yeah, she went
to a concentration camp. Unfortunately, she was the only person
in her family who survived her parents. She had three
brothers or brothers, a sister, a husband, two sons, and
a daughter all passed away in the concentration camp. She

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somehow escaped with a bunch of other people. She went
to Spain, and supposedly that's where she bought this little
small wine cabinet, and from that point on things happened,
I guess. And one of the three items that she
was able to bring over to the United States was

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the wine cabinet, a steamer, a steamer what they call trunk,
and a sewing box.

Speaker 7 (14:39):
Of all things it is.

Speaker 9 (14:41):
But if she knew what this box was doing, I
would have probably grabbed something else and left that there.
Would Yeah, I mean, because guys, once you hear what
this box does, I mean, it's insane.

Speaker 7 (14:53):
I wouldn't want nothing to do with it. But she
kept it her whole life.

Speaker 2 (14:58):
Yep. So he goes at this state cell. He buys
the wine cabinet, the sewing box, and some other furniture.
And after the cell, the woman's granddaughter comes up to
him and and she says, hey, I see you got
the dipic box. And she was referring to the wine cabinet.
And he said, well, what's what's a depic box? And
granddaughter said, well, that's what my grandmother called it. She

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kept it locked up in the sewing room out of
reach of the kids, and he said, well, what's inside
of it? And or as a girl actually asked her
grandma what was inside of it? She said when she
did a grandma spent three times through her fingers and said,
a dipiic and a kesslum.

Speaker 7 (15:39):
I have no idea what that is.

Speaker 2 (15:40):
I don't either, because I tried to google it and
I couldn't come up with anything on it.

Speaker 7 (15:43):
I couldn't even spell it yep ill.

Speaker 2 (15:47):
But she told the little girl that it was never
to be open. So grandma had requested that this dipic
box be buried with her, but it was against the
rules of an Orthodox Jewish burial, so they didn't. Now
he asked what a debick and a questlum were and
she didn't know. Basically, he said, he said, well, would

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you like to open it with me? Yeah? He's like,
would you like to open it with me? And she
said no, in honor of her grandma's wishes, she didn't.
She didn't want to his grandma off and he offered
to let her keep it, and she's like, no, you
bought it, you take it. And he's like, well, I
didn't want my money back. I just feel like it's

(16:30):
an heirloom and you guys have probably wanted Well. Then
the girl kind of got upset and she started raising
her voice and she's like, no, you bought it, you
made it. Take the ship and get out of my house.
So when he would try to start speaking to her,
she started yelling like, we.

Speaker 7 (16:46):
Don't want it, damn bitch, I'll take the buy.

Speaker 2 (16:48):
Yeah, And she's now she's asking him to leave. This
guy's like hen went from thinking he's doing something nice
about yeah, escorted off the property. So at the time
that he bought, he owned this little small furniture refinishing business,
and he thought, well, you know what, I'll put it
in the basement. My mother's birthday is coming up a

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couple of weeks from now, and I'll just refinish it
and I'll give it to my mother as a gift.
So one morning he comes, he opens opens the shop,
he gets everything going like you would, you know, in general,
But then he left to go run some errands. He
got a call about a half hour after he left.
It was the salesperson who works at the store, and
she had called him up and she said that she

(17:29):
thought somebody had broken into place because she could hear
all this glass, yeah, screaming, squaring, glass breaking, so obviously
she thought it was an intruder. But she also said
that he had locked the door and the security gate
so she couldn't get out. He told her to call
the popo that's the police for anybody outside. He gets there,

(17:53):
he finds the gatelocked like she said, and the employees
on the floor she's crying, she's done lost it.

Speaker 7 (17:58):
Oh my god.

Speaker 2 (17:59):
And he goes downstairs to see what the commotion is.
And he as soon as he starts to walk downstairs,
he gets hit with this smell of cat piss, you know.

Speaker 9 (18:12):
And they say they some smell cat piss, some smell jasmine.

Speaker 2 (18:17):
That's too, completely different.

Speaker 7 (18:18):
Yeah, I mean yeah, I mean that's like crazy.

Speaker 2 (18:21):
He gets all the way down to the basement and
he sees instantly while the lights don't work because he
tries to hurt him on, but every one of the
light bulbs down there were broken. And he had like
nine regular light bulbs and ten or eleven of the
the long fluorescent bulbs, and every one of them were
busted out.

Speaker 9 (18:38):
That's gonna be a little pricey to place that sucks,
poor guy.

Speaker 2 (18:43):
But there was no intruder and you know, basically one
entrance into the place, so whoever it would have been
would have had to come down there past the salesperson.

Speaker 10 (18:54):
There's no way I've seen it.

Speaker 2 (18:55):
Yeah, there's no way they could have snuck in. So
he goes upstairs, he's gonna talk to the salesperson. She's done.

Speaker 7 (19:00):
She's like, yeah, if y'all, I don't get paid. Bullshit.

Speaker 2 (19:05):
She never came back, and she had worked for him
for two years now. He never related anything of this happening.

Speaker 7 (19:12):
To the cabinet, right, He just thought it was some
I mean, why would he you know.

Speaker 2 (19:17):
So now let's fast forward about two weeks later, he
decided he was going to start refinishing this for his
mom's birthday present. He found out that it's got a
cool mechanism in it. When you opened up one of
the doors, the other door would open automatically, and a
little drawer underneath, so all these would you know, come
open automatically when you just opened one of the doors.
He said it was really well made, and he decided

(19:39):
that he wasn't going to you know, refinish it. He
was just going to clean it. Up and put some
lemon oil on it and use that. And during the
course of all this playing with the box and maneuvering around,
he finds out what's in it for the first time.
So here's what you got. He got a nineteen twenty
eight US wheat penny, a nineteen twenty five wheat penny,

(20:04):
a small lock of blonde hair that was bound with string. Weird, Yeah,
a small lock of black slash brown hair that was
bound in string. One small granite statue that was engraved
with some Hebrew letters, one dried rose bud, a golden

(20:24):
wine cup. I don't know if that's like a challenge, like.

Speaker 9 (20:26):
A chalice that they do at the church, which by
the way from the picture is super tiny and is
not enough to drink enough wine and it's like you
can take a shot of it.

Speaker 7 (20:36):
It's like a shot of wine.

Speaker 9 (20:37):
It's like not even enough to drink the wine. But yeah,
it's like a chalice that they used in the Catholic church.

Speaker 2 (20:42):
It had a black cast iron candlestick holder with octopus legs.

Speaker 7 (20:47):
That's weird.

Speaker 2 (20:48):
It sounds like something you would use like at the
Ugly Christmas ornament. And then the last thing that was
odd it was a used condom.

Speaker 7 (20:55):
No, it was not. They didn't have that back then.

Speaker 2 (20:58):
I've made that up. It wouldn't used. It was still
in the package. It was the Trojan It was a
Trojan wine. But okay, there was no condimentant. So he decided,
you know, he was going to send this back to
the family, and they refused it, oddly enough.

Speaker 9 (21:13):
I mean, I would not even contact that woman actually, cousins.

Speaker 2 (21:16):
Why would you think they were once inside of it
when it's obvious they wanted to. And this guy can't
take a hint to save his life.

Speaker 9 (21:22):
Yeah, and you guys will find out because he regifts
this thing like ten damn times.

Speaker 7 (21:27):
I'm like, really, dude.

Speaker 2 (21:29):
So he decides he just didn't included in the sale
on eBay, so he lets people know it's there. But
after opening this thing, he did, you know, obviously decided
not to refinish all that. But as he was putting
a lemon oil on the back of it, he noticed
there was a Hebrew inscription carved in the back of
the cabinet, and he didn't know what it said. He

(21:49):
didn't bother to look it up. He took some pictures
and put it on eBay, so you would be able
to see what it is. So his mom calls him up.
They were going to celebrate her birthday. This was her
birthday gift. She said she was gonna go out of
town as Broble's birthday was on the twenty eighth, and
she wouldn't going to be back till the thirty first,
which is conveniently enough, is Halloween. Ye, And so they decided, okay,

(22:10):
just come by the store on Halloween. I'll take you
out the lunch. We'll celebrate your birthday then, and she
says okay. So she comes to the shop on the
thirty first. They were getting ready to go to lunch,
but he decided to give her the wine cabinet first.
He takes her down, she's looking at it. He gets
a phone call and he says, I'll be back. He

(22:31):
goes upstairs. He wouldn't even gone five minutes, and one
of his employees starts telling him, hey, there's something wrong
or something wrong with your mom. And he runs down there.
She's sitting right next to the box pretty much expressionalist
tears rolling down her face, and he gets her to
the hospital because he couldn't get her to respond. Turns out.

(22:53):
She had a stroke, partial paralysis. She couldn't speak her
from words and the only thing she could do was
like point to letters.

Speaker 7 (23:02):
Yeah, and that's when she typed the hate gift. What
did she say? No gift, hate gift, That's what she typed.

Speaker 2 (23:09):
It was funny because she she said no gift first,
and he thought that somehow, in amidst the stroke, she
thought that he didn't get her a gift. Oh, and
he's like, no, I got you a gift and everything.
I got you that wine box.

Speaker 7 (23:21):
And she's saying that she hates this.

Speaker 2 (23:23):
Then she said hate gift, which once again dufus here
still doesn't put two and two together.

Speaker 7 (23:28):
He's such a disappointment to his mother.

Speaker 2 (23:30):
I mean, so he's like, well, when you get out,
I'll take you can get you whatever you want.

Speaker 7 (23:33):
So you don't like the gift, I'm gonna give it
to somebody else now.

Speaker 2 (23:36):
Yeah. But at this point he's pretty much been cussed
out by the people who had it been told what
it supposedly was. He's had this stuff happen and scare
off his salesperson at his store. Now his mom has
a stroke, says she don't like the gift, and none
of this has it ever dawned on him, you know,
maybe it's the ones.

Speaker 7 (23:55):
So what does he do? Guys, he gives it to
his brother.

Speaker 2 (23:59):
Well that's what you should do, right, You want to
give it to another family member, right, So he he
gives it to his brother and uh, actually he gave
it to a sister.

Speaker 7 (24:10):
Sister.

Speaker 2 (24:10):
He gave it to a sister and she kept it
for a week and she said the doors kept coming
open on it, and it wouldn't the doors wouldn't shut,
and it kept coming open. She gives it back to him,
but he didn't have any problems. There's no springs or
anything in it in the door, so there's no reason
why it would keep open or not shut. Then he
gave it to his brother, and his and his brother's

(24:30):
wife they kept it for three days. Now this goes
into what you were saying earlier with the smell. Yeah,
the brother said he kept smelling jasmine, but the sister
in law kept saying the smell like.

Speaker 9 (24:42):
I think this box doesn't like women. It sounds like honestly,
because nothing's happened to him. The saleswoman was it was
a woman.

Speaker 2 (24:51):
Yep.

Speaker 9 (24:51):
The mother and the brother smelling the good stuff and
the poor wife is smelling the cat pits.

Speaker 2 (24:58):
That's a good point because I hadn't picked up on.

Speaker 7 (25:00):
So I mean, yeah, I mean, something's going on with that.

Speaker 2 (25:03):
Then he gives it to his girlfriend. She kept it
for two days, gave it back to him and told
him sell it.

Speaker 9 (25:10):
Why would he He must have been trying to like
break up with her or something like after all that, Oh,
I'm just gonna give it to my girlfriend.

Speaker 7 (25:18):
Oh my god, this guy, Yeah.

Speaker 2 (25:19):
I mean, how do you not now after going through
what we talked about four now it's went through your
brother's sister and girlfriend and you're.

Speaker 7 (25:25):
Still you're still trying to give it to people, Like
what the hell?

Speaker 2 (25:30):
And you know what's odd is right now I smell
Japanese cherry blossom.

Speaker 7 (25:34):
At this moment.

Speaker 2 (25:34):
At this moment, it's not me.

Speaker 7 (25:36):
I haven't used any.

Speaker 2 (25:37):
It's the air freshman, Okay. Say you know sometimes you
guys will hear something in the background. We have those
automatic air fresheners, and after I forget to turn them off,
so like every four and a half minutes, they go off.
But it's a uh and those are really cool because
like they go off, you hear that, and then like
fifteen seconds later he nothing, and that smells good, and

(25:58):
then it don't smell good again till nine.

Speaker 7 (26:00):
Minutes later smell it.

Speaker 2 (26:04):
So he takes it to sell it for his girlfriend's wishes.
He sold it the same day to this nice little
middle aged couple. Three days later, he goes to open
the shop and it's sitting out in front of the
shop and it's got a note on it that says
this has bad darkness. So he does the obvious thing.
He does the obvious thing. He takes it home with him.

Speaker 7 (26:27):
This guy, oh my gosh, Kevin Man.

Speaker 2 (26:31):
You so the day one of him having it in
his in his crib. Let's trying to hip the show
up a little bit.

Speaker 10 (26:42):
He has this dream.

Speaker 2 (26:42):
It's a recurring, recurring nightmare he starts having and he
says he's walking. It's always with a good friend or
somebody he trusts. At some point he looks into the
eye of the person and then he starts realizing something's different.
It's like they're some type of an evil person. At
this point, the person changes into the most gruesome, demonic

(27:07):
looking hag ever since. So I'm thinking, Rosie O'Donnell, that's
where I always go. I'm thinking yeah, or actually or
Hillary Clinton could be. Then the Hag beats the ship
out of him, which I don't know if it's a
turn on for him.

Speaker 7 (27:28):
He's like, I'm keeping this box.

Speaker 2 (27:31):
He wakes up, he's got bruises and stuff and you know,
sore all over his body from where this happens. Once again,
still doesn't associate this with the box. I bet, I've
bet in his business probably isn't.

Speaker 7 (27:45):
Thriving thrill seriously.

Speaker 2 (27:48):
So now a month goes by, he said his thing
for a month, sister, his brother and his wife come
over and they're all going to spend the night. First
of all, what kind of where to ask sleepover? Is this?
Where you got your brother, your sister, and his wife
all coming over for a sleepover? Who does that?

Speaker 7 (28:06):
I don't know. I would not do that. It's just weird.

Speaker 2 (28:10):
So the following morning, at breakfast, the sisters complaining about
how she had a horrible nightmare and she had had
it a few times before, but it had been a
while back, and it turns out the exact same nightmare
as what he's having with the hag and all that stuff.
Apparently rose O'donald gets around, and so he looks at

(28:32):
the brother and the wife and they're like, hey, wait
a minute, we've had that same dream. It wouldn't last night,
but we've had that dream. So they start figuring out
the one common denominator. Hello, Yeah, all of them had
the dreams when that cabinet one cabinet was at their house.

Speaker 7 (28:51):
At some point.

Speaker 9 (28:52):
Didn't he put the cabinet in like a storage unit
outside the house.

Speaker 2 (28:56):
Yeah, yeah. Because he calls his girlfriend up and he says, hey, babe,
I'm still kind of ignorant on this, and I've already
asked her when they had said the same, but tell
me about this dream if you've had any dreams. And
she said, yeah, you know, I've had that dream too.
And he's like, okay, when did that happen? Did that

(29:17):
happen while you had the box the cabinet? She's like, yeah,
how did you know? And he's probably like I don't
know that I didn't know because I'm pretty stupid. But
this guy, but but now everybody's had.

Speaker 7 (29:29):
The same to make sense for him, I hope.

Speaker 2 (29:32):
Well, then he starts noticing he starts seeing these shadowy
creatures all the time because after they discovered. Now what's
going on? All hell breaks lets He's seeing shadowy figures.
Now visitors are coming to his house and they're also
seeing these shadowy creatures. He decides to put it out
in the outside storage.

Speaker 7 (29:51):
Okay, so that's when he gets the storage.

Speaker 2 (29:53):
Okay, he gets the smoke alarms goes off one night
and tells him that there's a fire out there.

Speaker 7 (30:00):
Oh Jesus is a fly.

Speaker 10 (30:01):
This guy's some kind of stupid. So he goes out there.
There's no smoke, there's no nothing, but it smells like
cat piss and really strong.

Speaker 7 (30:11):
Cat piss, and cat piss really stands.

Speaker 2 (30:13):
And keep in mind, this guy doesn't have any pets
of any kind, so there's no reason to have this.

Speaker 10 (30:20):
He goes back inside the house. Guess what the house
smell like?

Speaker 7 (30:24):
Cabiss?

Speaker 2 (30:24):
Absolutely, so he does the obvious thing. He goes out
and gets the cabinet and brings it back in the
damn house.

Speaker 7 (30:33):
I want to throw this damn thing off a bridge.

Speaker 2 (30:37):
He starts searching the internet to try to find out
what's going on. How do you search? Got bought weird cabinet?
House smells like cat piss?

Speaker 7 (30:45):
Well, enter exactly and one thing.

Speaker 9 (30:47):
I mean, it is a wine cabinet, but a dipick
is not what the actual boxes. A dipick is a
spirit or demon that is supposed to haunt or possess
the living.

Speaker 7 (31:00):
So apparently the dibik was living in the box.

Speaker 9 (31:02):
But I mean, I don't guess he would know that.
You know, I don't know what he would have typed
in Google?

Speaker 2 (31:08):
Wasn't it like an old song? Did it get in
the box?

Speaker 7 (31:10):
Or I think you're thinking of dick in the box.

Speaker 10 (31:14):
I think I think I'm thinking of doing in the butt.

Speaker 2 (31:18):
It would work. It would still work if it's the same.
So he gets he's got this thing in here. He
falls asleep while he's searching the internet, because you know,
when you when you've.

Speaker 7 (31:30):
Got a hard you got the.

Speaker 2 (31:32):
Smoke alarms going off, you got a possessed wine cabinet,
and you can't figure out I could see why you're tired.
He wakes up, he falls asleep, He wakes up. Of
course that when he falls asleep, he.

Speaker 10 (31:45):
Has that same dream.

Speaker 2 (31:47):
He wakes up around four thirty in the morning, and
he said he felt breathing on his neck.

Speaker 7 (31:52):
That's so creepy.

Speaker 2 (31:53):
Now the house smells like jasmine, which is the first time. Well, well,
as you said, he was smelling all the urine and
stuff too, unlike the woman. So that kind of puts out.

Speaker 7 (32:02):
I don't know why it's one thing and something completely
different the.

Speaker 2 (32:06):
Next Then he sees this huge shadow going down the
hall away from him. So whatever it was that he's
walking away was just what was breathing on his neck.
I guess waiting left. Yeah, and then it was leaving
he probably had he was probably anally assaulted. That's gross.
Now he said he would destroy it to answer your question,

(32:28):
but he didn't have any kind of clue what he
was dealing with. And you know, if he destroyed it,
would that, right.

Speaker 7 (32:33):
Ituld like make it like ten times worse on him?

Speaker 10 (32:36):
You know what?

Speaker 2 (32:37):
The thing of it, what if it just stayed with him.

Speaker 7 (32:38):
Now it's now I don't have a box and he's
just like chilling there.

Speaker 2 (32:41):
I guess it'd be like ripping a turtle out of
a shell and.

Speaker 7 (32:43):
Say, now what wait now he had nowhere, Now got.

Speaker 10 (32:47):
No protection, You're taking away my mobile home.

Speaker 7 (32:50):
So he's just just chilling there.

Speaker 2 (32:54):
So then he had said that somebody had told him
that eBay shoppers really look for that kind of thing, specifically,
look for that kind of thing, and that's where he
should be able to get rid of it. I did
not know that, so when he put this ad on there,
he put on there, Hey, you know, this is why

(33:14):
I'm putting it here. I've been told that there's people
out there that know what they're dealing with here and
it can be handled the correct way. So if this
is you, please buy it. And then he even put
on their help me. Then he put no minimum on there,
so any offer would have would have gotten it.

Speaker 7 (33:30):
Yeah, like here's a penny. Here you go, a great day.

Speaker 2 (33:32):
Oh and I also forgot to mention that the day
that his mom had a stroke, they also terminated the
lease on his, uh, his little refinishing place. So yeah,
well that the people would terminate the least for no reason,
so I don't think it wasn't him.

Speaker 7 (33:50):
So maybe some bad luck did happened to.

Speaker 2 (33:53):
So this is what the guy did. I didn't, you know.
I thought maybe since it's been a few years that
we would kind of be able to get an update.
So I found us out. So the guy sold it
on eBay. He did sell it.

Speaker 7 (34:04):
He sold it to like a student right.

Speaker 2 (34:06):
Yeah, he sold it to a couple of people. It's
transferred hands a few times since then. But what we
read to you basically was all included in this eBay ad.
So anybody who was going to buy this heard everything
we just told you. So every owner of the box
has reported that smells of cat urine or jasmine flowers

(34:27):
and nightmares involving an old Haga comany in the box. Locifnitzski,
a Missouri student at Truman State University of Kirksfield, Missouri,
was the last person to auction the box on eBay.
He claimed that the box caused lights to burn out
in his house and his hair to fall out. Jason Haxton,
director of the Museum of Osteopathic Medicine in Kirksfille, Missouri,

(34:49):
had been following Nitsky's blogs and regarding the box, and
when he was ready to be rid of the box,
Nitzki sold it to Haxton. Haxton wrote The Divig Box
and claims that he subsequently developed strange health problems, including hives,
coughing up blood, had to toe wells. Hackson also consulted

(35:10):
with the rabbis to try to figure out a way
to seal the devic in the box again, Apparently unsuccessful,
he took the freshly reselled box and hit it at
a secret location which he will not reveal, and he.

Speaker 9 (35:26):
Although all these crazy things were happening to him, he
is kind of a skeptic, and he believes that the
box kind of plays off the energy that you give.
So if you have basically what he's saying is, if
you have a neutral energy, the box will play off
of it.

Speaker 7 (35:42):
And not do so much crazy things.

Speaker 9 (35:45):
But if you like go into it with the thoughts of,
you know, this is evil, it's going to like do
all this bad stuff, that that bad stuff's.

Speaker 7 (35:53):
Going to happen.

Speaker 9 (35:53):
He truly believed that even though he had all that
crazy crap happening to him, he was still a skeptic
on it.

Speaker 7 (35:58):
And he still has the box, right, is that what
you said?

Speaker 9 (36:04):
He just got it hidden away somewhere. That's so crazy.
I cannot imagine.

Speaker 7 (36:10):
So it's still out there. People.

Speaker 2 (36:13):
If that didn't sound like a true tracyism, I don't know.

Speaker 7 (36:18):
I mean, she learn.

Speaker 2 (36:22):
She even had the U. Now she even threw in
the I mean, but it's.

Speaker 7 (36:28):
Just it's so weird.

Speaker 9 (36:30):
Just I couldn't imagine you know, I've never personally had
any paranormal or crazy thing ever happened to me. But
when I read stuff about like this happening to people, like,
I truly believe that it's real.

Speaker 7 (36:43):
I do.

Speaker 9 (36:43):
I do believe that there's things out in the world
that can happen to people that we can't explain.

Speaker 7 (36:48):
So like reading about this was just crazy. It was
very interesting.

Speaker 2 (36:52):
I would really like to know more about the stuff
that was in the box and how that pertained.

Speaker 7 (36:57):
Like what's up with the hair?

Speaker 9 (36:58):
Like did two girls drink too much wine out of
the box and shave their head like Brady Spears.

Speaker 2 (37:05):
Maybe it was a box wine. Maybe it was technically
anyone in there would be a box wine.

Speaker 7 (37:10):
Is it?

Speaker 2 (37:11):
Well it's in a box.

Speaker 10 (37:14):
Who the hell keeps wine in a box?

Speaker 2 (37:15):
Anyway?

Speaker 7 (37:16):
I don't box wine is good, though, well.

Speaker 2 (37:18):
Not that kind of boxe. I mean, I'm talking like
a box to hold wine.

Speaker 7 (37:22):
Like this was to be fancy.

Speaker 2 (37:25):
I mean, you know, I've seen like wine cellars, and
I've seen.

Speaker 10 (37:30):
Like the racks you put on the wall.

Speaker 7 (37:31):
Because people try to be fancy guys.

Speaker 9 (37:33):
I go to write eight, I get a bottle of
Barefoot moscato, and I drink it right out of the bottle.
I don't even get worried about dirting up a glass.
There's no fanciness over here.

Speaker 7 (37:42):
But some people do. They gotta like sniff it and
like eat their cheese with it. It's weird, you know.

Speaker 2 (37:47):
I never understood that about alcohol. Of course I don't drink,
But why do you have all these different glass you know?

Speaker 9 (37:53):
Wine?

Speaker 2 (37:53):
Hell? Does somebody at your house they'll have this big
ass eight ounce glass for whiskey and they'll pour half
an inch in it, I know, and then they'll understand,
and then and then they'll they'll keep doing it. Just
feel the thing. First of all, you're not putting ice
in it most of the time, so it's not gonna
get hot.

Speaker 7 (38:11):
I enjoy the taste of it.

Speaker 9 (38:13):
And because I don't know, I'm not into it like
enough like that. If I'm drinking, I'm drinking to relax
or I'm trying party, which doesn't happen too often anymore.
But still, I just I can't get in there.

Speaker 2 (38:28):
And I'll never understand these wine enthusiasts. I understand if
you like wine. I can't understand how anybody would give
one thousand dollars for a bottle of wine at any
point in time, let alone two thousand and three thousand
and then you know we're right here in Bourbon country.
We've got that Pappy van Winkle.

Speaker 9 (38:46):
Yeah, that stuff's outrageous. Well, it's like only comes out
like so many years.

Speaker 2 (38:51):
Yeah, it only comes out certain amount of times, and
it's age. And you know, I understand it's age. I
understand it might be a little better. But you can't
tell me that a boy a twenty dollars whiskey is
that much different than a damn fifteen hundred dollars bottle
of whiskey.

Speaker 7 (39:05):
I don't know.

Speaker 9 (39:06):
It would get me drunk the same way, and I'd
feel like crap the next day, regardless of how bunch
it costed.

Speaker 2 (39:11):
So these wine enthusiasts that want to keep swirling the
swirling it around and tasting a little bit, and oh,
this one's air rated to us.

Speaker 9 (39:19):
So I give you, I know, and you know that
little chalice inside that box for mine. I'm Catholic, guys,
and so we have the chalice at the church, and
it reminds me of that. And I just want to say,
for all you Catholics out there, I don't drink the
wine because to me, every mouth in that church touches

(39:40):
that cup and all that priest does is takes a
little rag and he just wipes off a little bit.

Speaker 7 (39:45):
And that's just so gross to me. I'm just putting
that out there. It's nasty, it's spreads germs.

Speaker 2 (39:49):
Well, maybe they should have some antibacterial handstuff over it
and just put that on the edge of the glass
every time.

Speaker 9 (39:54):
Maybe I don't know, it's weird, but yeah, the stuff
in it, the hair, the the glass, the octopus.

Speaker 7 (40:02):
Stick, whatever the hell that is. I mean, it's just creepy.
Totally creepy, but interesting.

Speaker 2 (40:07):
That would be fun. They used that antibacteria at the
church though for them.

Speaker 7 (40:10):
It would help get him a little more.

Speaker 2 (40:12):
Drunk, like that's his good father was that cucumber melon.

Speaker 7 (40:18):
That's hilarious.

Speaker 2 (40:19):
Christ And it was fun having you on the show again.
You so much, and I'm sure there'll be other opportunities
when you're available to be able to do this.

Speaker 10 (40:26):
Well, I live here, so yeah, but you're rarely here.

Speaker 7 (40:29):
That's true. But thank you guys for listening and supporting.

Speaker 9 (40:34):
My mom and my stepdad. They love doing this and
I hope you guys enjoyed the show.

Speaker 2 (40:41):
All right. We are joined now by my youngest son, Alex.
You probably remember him when we talked a little bit
about Chris Cornell shortly after his death. And oddly enough
it's right on the hills when he's coming back of
Chester Bennington's death and kind of a coincidence. I guess
to him and or now we're best friends, and then

(41:01):
he actually did this on his birthday. I want to
take this opportunity real quick to just say, if you're
having depression, if you're having suicidal thoughts, talk to somebody,
it doesn't matter who it is. Talk to somebody, call
a suicide hotlines. Nothing to be ashamed of. I also
realize that some of these things aren't always about coherent choices.

(41:25):
Sometimes you don't even realize that you're in that place.
You know, whether it be from drugs, or whether it
be from alcohol, or whether it be you know, prescribed
to medication that's you know that just you know, everything
from smoking stopping smoking drugs to anything that advertise on
TV talk about, you know, causing suicidal thoughts. So it's
very possible that you know, and Chris Cornell's wife points

(41:48):
this out that you can just do this without even
realizing I guess for the most part that you're even
doing it. But if you're one of those people that
suffer from depression and you know it, pick up the
phone and call somebody and talk to them and don't
be ashamed. That's all I really want to say on
that point before we got too far into it. So
how about different intro? How about it? With that being said,

(42:11):
And this isn't the original story we're going to talk about,
but I did want to bring it up. I sent
you a link to a story that said, and this
is all conspiracy theory stuff. I'm not saying it's true,
but I'm not saying it's not true either, because I
don't know. The story that I sent you said that
Chris Cornell had been working on some stuff, had been

(42:33):
presented some information basically that said there was a lot
of people in the music industry that were pedophiles that
were doing stuff to kids, and he was putting together
some information was eventually going to put it out and
one of them, one of the people that was brought
to him by somebody else that he knew.

Speaker 10 (42:52):
The information was brought to him about a gentleman.

Speaker 2 (42:54):
That he was a colleague with or somebody he's worked with,
and supposedly Chester Bennington kind of knew some of disinformation too,
and that could be the theory of why both of
them were quote unquote killed by either the Illuminati or
somebody else. But they just felt like that once again

(43:18):
the murder or the suicide happened the exact same way.
This actually happened on Chris Corn's birthday, good friend of
Chris Cornell's. It just seems like there's, you know, once again,
some odd things surrounding the suicide. So who knows that
that would be the case, not the case, But what

(43:40):
were your thoughts on this when you saw that. I
saw that Chester was also going to out these people basically,
and this was their way of keeping them quiet.

Speaker 11 (43:51):
It just goes back to the last episode. I think
they're looking for connections that aren't there. I think it
was pretty clear cut if you ever go back and
listen to Chester's music that he was depressed. He didn't
care to talk about any interviews. He always had that
battle with depression and drug usage and alcohol usage, and
he had a hard last two months obviously living his
best friend and then it comes on his birthday. They
found him with a bottle of alcohol, and he obviously

(44:13):
did not make the best decision. It was probably a
hard day for him.

Speaker 2 (44:16):
Yeah, but it sounds like it. And like I said,
I'm not saying that I necessarily agree with that, but
you know, it's just an I don't know's there's just
so many, so many things to try to link it
together that I could see how many people could make
that put the pieces together. But like you said, not
all the time are those pieces meant to be put together.

(44:38):
It's just you see what you want to see.

Speaker 11 (44:40):
Sometimes I agree, though, I mean it was odd that
it happened in the same way and to some extents
like that, but I think it was a lot less
odd than Chris Cornell's.

Speaker 2 (44:50):
I think what makes it more odd to me than
Chris Cornells is the fact that their song that he
put out, you know, the the latest song they put out,
was the name of the album one One Last.

Speaker 11 (45:03):
One, One More Light, which he dedicated that song to
Chris Cornell.

Speaker 2 (45:06):
One More Light, Yeah, the One More Light song basically
is it seems like an anti suicide song. Yeah, And
so I guess to me, to keep hearing him play
that song and it had that to be the name
of the album and.

Speaker 10 (45:19):
Name of the tour they're getting ready to start.

Speaker 2 (45:21):
He seems like, even though I know he's had his struggles,
he seems like somebody that had probably come to grips
with what suicide could do to people around him when
he wrote that song, And like you said, I saw him.
He dedicated that song to Chris Cornell. He did it
on Jimmy Kimmel's show, and actually, you know, was gonna
do something different and decided to do that because of it.

(45:44):
So I guess that that kind of makes it a
little more less likely if it had been two years ago.
Things changing two years. But over the last couple of months,
it seemed like that that was something he was putting
a focus on telling people not to do.

Speaker 11 (45:56):
Yeah, but if you if you actually go back and
look at that album, you go back and look at
the songs. One More Light being the song that it was,
but he also had songs on there called good Goodbye,
and he had songs like Invisible on there, which is
all about depression and pain. Pretty much throughout the entire album,
it was the same general theme, And I think that's
just really interesting. He'd probably actually been sitting on his

(46:18):
mind for a while. And some people are saying that
album was probably his cry for help in some ways.
But the other interesting thing about it, if you look
at some of the other rocker reactions. NICKI six said
that he just talked to him a few days ago,
and he said that he said, say, he told Nicky
six he'd never been happier. So a lot of weird
things like that.

Speaker 2 (46:36):
And I know I saw an interview with him, and
I don't know how long ago this was, but he
was talking about that when he is inside his own head.
He made the quote that this was that was a
bad neighborhood and he didn't need to be there. But
when he when he wasn't inside of his own head,
his life was completely good. But when he would get
inside of his own head, he would let that take

(46:57):
completely over, and he would make bad descis visions, and
he would think thoughts that he shouldn't think and all that.
So I guess some people struggle with those demons of
just their their own mental addiction of staying out of
your own head. You can everybody has a tendency that
can overthink things. And I guess that's kind of where
you get because he said when he was in his
own head, he just didn't feel good about himself, that

(47:19):
he was, you know, nobody didn't belong here, didn't deserve
to be on this earth and all this. But when
he wasn't there and just stayed out of his head,
he was just felt like that he was, you know,
a deserving person. So it's kind of sad. It's not
kind of it's it's one hundred percent sad.

Speaker 11 (47:36):
It's just you know, Yeah, I would say he definitely
got inside his own head, and it's one of those things.
He was alone in his house, he had that batt
of alcohol with him, His band member was supposed to
come pick him up. His band member didn't show U
until after the cops were there, So obviously he just
it had to have just been a bad day and
got inside his own head.

Speaker 2 (47:54):
Well, let's talk about the story that we were originally
going to talk about, but I couldn't. I couldn't have
you on the show and then not talk about this
would have been so close to what we talked about
last time. We're going to talk a little bit about
Vince Neil, and we do a lot of rock and
roll in the occult stuff, and you know, I've heard
and I couldn't find the information on it. I actually
had a couple of people tell me the story, but

(48:16):
I couldn't substantiate it. Therefore I didn't do it. But
there were some rumors back when Motley Crue did Shout
at the Devil that originally it was going to be
caused Shout with the Devil, and they had so many
experiences during the recording that it freaked them all out
a little bit, and they changed the title to Shout
at the Devil rather than Shout with the Devil. So
I wanted to tell that story, but I couldn't find enough,

(48:38):
so we didn't tell it. But I told that little
bit just based on what the original was. But what
we're doing is we're switching gears completely. Instead of a
rock and roll in the o cult, this just basically
is a rock star who had some paranormal activity, and
I thought it would be kind of cool to talk
about that without it being something evil or you know,
something of that nature. So this this is the sad

(49:00):
story I think. Vince Neil back in April nineteen ninety five,
he lost a daughter who was only four years old,
and he had some experiences relating to her. So that's
what we're going to talk about. Skyler' neil was born
March twenty sixth, nineteen ninety one, in la In April
of ninety five, she started having flu like symptoms, really

(49:22):
intense pain. They rushed her to the hospital. They thought
it was her appendix. She had to have an emergency surgery.
They found a tumor behind her stomach the size of
a softball. Unfortunately, this tumor had also what do you
call it, ruptured, and they when they were in the
process of looking at her, they found all these other tumors.

(49:42):
So they had to start the painful process of doing
chemo and four or five operations. And keep in mind
this was April when they find this out. Unfortunately, August fifteenth,
Vince Neil got a call. He was in one of
his other homes, but he gets a call from his
wife and that he needed to get their asap because

(50:04):
the wife said she didn't think that the daughter was
going to make it. He gets there, obviously, goes to
the hospital and everything, and she passes unfortunately, four years old,
and Vince took it hard. He started you know, over
medicating hisself. He was drinking a lot, he was taking
a lot of drugs. He basically said that he just
didn't want to be alive anymore. And uh, that's kind

(50:26):
of when things started to happen. Now by he by
this time he had a house in Las Vegas also,
and one night Vince was sleeping. He said he felt
a tug on his blanket down there by his foot.
He looked up and it was his daughter, and he
said he just couldn't believe it was her. And he
got up and they played and they colored and and

(50:48):
you know, just did everything that they would normally do.
And she said, you know, looked at him and she says,
my dad, dad, and left. And the next morning he
said he felt completely drained. He had zero energy at all.
He pretty much spent the whole day in his bedroom.
He didn't take any kind of pills, didn't have any
kind of alcohol because he was scared to death that
he would miss her if she came back. So he

(51:09):
wanted to be completely of sound mind and alert. So
that's what he did. Well that night he said she
did come back. He said they made paper mache flowers
and said she had this cute little dress on and
he was pinning the flowers and stuff on to her dress.
She'd done this apparently a bunch of times.

Speaker 10 (51:26):
She kept coming back. This was like a regular occurrence.

Speaker 2 (51:29):
But he said, then one night, when they were done playing,
she just looked at him and said, Daddy, I can't
come back anymore. And he asked her why, and she
said she had school and she could come back when
school was done. And he said, it was really sad,
but he understood. He understood for whatever reason that she
couldn't come back, and at that point in time, he

(51:50):
moved out of the house and then he had never
been back. And he went back for a show that day.
I can't remember what channel it was, but Lifetime maybe, yeah,
its Lifetime, Yeah, Lifetime. Lifetime was doing these shows Celebrity
ghost Stories, and they were doing the haunting of where
they would go back to people. That was on Celebrity
ghost Stories. And I can't remember the psychic's name. I

(52:11):
think her name is Russo or Kim Russo, Kim Rousso
they would go back with the psychic and revisit these places.
So he went back in there, and this was two
thousand and I want to say twenty twelve when his
original story aired, and I think they went back in
two thousand and fourteen or fifteen fourteen. Yeah, so twenty
fourteen they go back, and that was the first time
that he had been to that house since like ninety five.

(52:35):
So that's kind of sad that he had that situation,
but that was more or less what he got out
of it. Now. What they also started to finding out
when they started talking to him is that Vince had
been surrounded by paranormal events from the time he was
a little kid. So he had a spirit that attached
to him from his childhood home. And when he was

(52:56):
about eight or nine years old, he said there was
a man who lived in the closet, and by man,
it was some type of a spirit obviously, but he
said every night that this spirit would like come to
the closet door and they would like lean out a
little bit like he was going to come out, but
then he'd go right back in. But it was enough
to freak him out. And he was having one a night.

(53:18):
He was laying like kind of his head was down,
but he was kind of facing the wall. You know,
if you've got a bed that's up against the wall.
He was facing the wall rather than the closet, and
he said he could feel something like a hand put
on his head and it just really freaked him out.
So they get this psychic involved to try to find
out what was going on, and she says that it
was a gentleman by the name of William. That's what

(53:40):
she was picking up. And she asked if there were
train tracks close to his home, and he's like, yeah,
there's train tracks pretty close. And she says, you know,
I'm finding it as somebody that was basically a really
bad man. It feels like he's got unfinished business and
he had, you know, he had some kind of control
over his own life as far as that his death

(54:02):
was somehow in his hands, and she felt like he
was hit by a train. Well, when they went and
did some research, now they asked events, you know, because
this was in the seventies, they asked if he looked
like he was somebody from that time, and she said,
or he said that he looked like he was dressed
from the fifties, even though this was the seventies. And
when she started doing the research, apparently in the fifties
there was an accident on the train tracks to where

(54:25):
a car was hit. The man killed by the train's
name was William, which was exactly what she said. And
he was running from the cops after some kind of
a robbing a place or so, I can't remember, but
it was a high speed chase and the cops were
chasing them, and he actually got hit by a train
dur in this high speed chase, and she felt like
that that lined up exactly what he was saying and

(54:48):
what she was saying as to who this person was.
So that's basically it for the Vince Neil story. How
fun was that? What's your thoughts on any of that?
Do you first of all, do you believe in psychics?
Do you believe that a psychic medium could go to
a house and pick up on that kind of stuff?

Speaker 11 (55:03):
It's hard to say, I guess, because some of that,
I mean, if you can find it out through the internet,
how hard would it have been for them to schedule
an appointment, research stuff online and then came out and
said something like that.

Speaker 2 (55:13):
Then I understand that part. I do understand. But do
you believe I guess that there are actually true mediums
out there that do know stuff that wouldn't be on
the internet. Like if you was to ask come and
ask somebody about one of your relatives that you knew
that they wouldn't have any way of knowing or they
couldn't find online. But do you believe there's people out

(55:35):
there that can do that.

Speaker 11 (55:38):
I'd like to believe there are people out there who
can do that. I'd have to meet one first who
could prove it to me.

Speaker 2 (55:44):
Have you ever heard about Edgar Casey? No, Edgar Casey,
We're going to do that. I can't say that, we're
going to do a show on him, but I can't
say when because it's a surprise, but we're going to
do a show on him. Edgar Casey is actually from Kentucky.
He's the most documented medium ever. This was you know
back and starts early nineteen hundreds, goes all the way

(56:04):
up to forties fifties. But this guy did stuff that
was you know, no pre Internet, pre any of this stuff.
But he just knew stuff about people that people couldn't know.
And so, I mean, I definitely think there are definitely
mediums out there. There's people, it's documented, there are several
mediums that actually help out the police department and give

(56:25):
them details so much, to the point that sometimes they're
considered suspects because they know so much about the case
that hasn't been released. So I definitely think that there's
people out there, and I know we've got some listeners
out there that are actually mediums, and we've got some
few extra largest and two accels too, but that's not
the case, Alex. I thank you so much for being
on the show. I appreciate you coming back on again.

(56:47):
And I know it's been a rough week for you.
I can tell about how long your hair has grown.
Apparently you haven't shaven or anything, so I'm just assuming
it was a rough week for you. I'm in mourning
for Chad Chester.

Speaker 10 (56:58):
I kind of like to keep calling him Chad.

Speaker 2 (57:00):
I guess I keep hoping it's Chad Kroger Yester Bennington,
but but yeah, okay, man, I appreciate it, and like
I said, it's we'll have you on sometime in the
future when we do some more rock and roll stuff,
unless you just get tired of doing that and you
want to do something else.

Speaker 11 (57:12):
So I'll do it all.

Speaker 2 (57:14):
Glad to hear that.

Speaker 11 (57:15):
I won't do any research, but I'll do it all.

Speaker 2 (57:16):
Yeah, I'm used to the other person on that microphone
not doing any research. So all right, well I'll talk
to you later and thanks for being on.

Speaker 8 (57:23):
Thank you.

Speaker 2 (57:25):
All right, we are joined by my oldest son, Austin. Austin,
say hi to everybody. It's up, I said, say hi, now,
what's up?

Speaker 8 (57:32):
Hi?

Speaker 2 (57:33):
Okay, think at his age he wouldn't know how to
take direction, but obviously, uh so, what we're gonna do.
We talked a little bit about this beforehand and on
some things that we might topic wise to, and we
decided that we were going to do some cursed movie sets.
In the past. We've done The Exorcists. When we talked
about the extras, we talked about some stuff that happened
on the set, and then.

Speaker 8 (57:53):
That was a head and turner.

Speaker 2 (57:56):
Nice. So then we also did one on the Poltergeist
phenomenon that happened on that set. So I thought it
would be kind of cool, maybe just to a segment
of other cursed movies. He threw a couple of my
way that I was unaware of, so we did some
research on him, and the first one was Passions of
the Christ. Now, I think what you got out of

(58:17):
this most was looking at my nose that I misspelled
Jim Covizel's with a C O not a K. I'm
sure that does not come across over the microphone that
I wrote it with a K and not a C.

Speaker 8 (58:29):
I think they can hear the difference.

Speaker 2 (58:31):
It's still Covizel regardless. So let's talk about the passions
of the Christ. It's passion, right or is it passions?

Speaker 8 (58:38):
Passions the soap opera?

Speaker 2 (58:40):
No, I don't think the soap opera had anything to
do with Jesus. But you know who knows a lot
of backstabbing going on, kind of remainder of Judas and stuff.
But so passion, I think it's just passion of the Christ,
which is the Mel Gibson movie. One of the things
that happened in it was Jim cavizl or of the movie.

(59:01):
He had all kinds of stuff happened to him, all
kinds of stuff. First of all, he was struck by lightning.

Speaker 8 (59:06):
It's shocking nice.

Speaker 2 (59:10):
The assistant director, I like his name was Jim MICHELINI
I'm sure did I spell that right?

Speaker 8 (59:16):
I have no idea.

Speaker 2 (59:17):
Okay, he was struck by lightning twice, so I mean,
what's the odds of two different people getting stuck struck
a total of three times by lightning during the film.

Speaker 8 (59:28):
Into this movie, you did think they started hipping up
ground wires theselves.

Speaker 2 (59:32):
Or something of that nature. Then you've got Jim Cavizl.
When he was doing the some of the whipping scenes,
which were fake scenes, he actually got some real lacerations
and stuff. So that's that's something that shouldn't have happened.
He dislocated the shoulder carrying the cross, which that's really
not a that could happen at the cross look heavy

(59:54):
hill across the bear. Apparently, then he had hypothermia, which
is really odd considering that this was like shot in
like desert type scenes.

Speaker 8 (01:00:04):
But I guess hypothermia in the desert.

Speaker 2 (01:00:05):
I guess at nighttime it gets really cold, so maybe
I don't know if they were filming at night. But
he got a hypothermia, He got a lung infection, and
he got in pneumonia. He also got a really bad
skin infection from the makeup that they put on him
for during the whipping scene. Looked like all of his
wounds and everything.

Speaker 8 (01:00:23):
The film a little set of plagues.

Speaker 2 (01:00:24):
Yeah, I mean a couple of frogs and locusts away
from being some rebiblical shit, I think. So that was
what happened in that movie. What have you heard anything
other than what I mentioned?

Speaker 12 (01:00:35):
No, just I think it took like five weeks or
something to film the crucifixion scenes because they just kept
having problems out of it. Like he was literally on
the edge of the cliff and they had him strung
up to the cross, which was cemented into the ground,
but like the wind, every time they get him up there,
the wind would start blowing. He was swaying back and
forth over top.

Speaker 8 (01:00:53):
Of the over the top of the cliff.

Speaker 12 (01:00:54):
And the thing was mel Gibson wouldn't use it because
he said it was taking focus off of Jesus and
putting them on fact.

Speaker 8 (01:01:00):
That the cross was swinging back and forth. So he
had to keep him during this.

Speaker 2 (01:01:03):
So I'm wondering that at the end of it, when
they actually got the scene, if mel Gibson yelled out
nailed it, that was probably pretty bad. Sure we'll get
some nasty emails on that anyways. So that brings us
to the second movie. I decided the second.

Speaker 8 (01:01:19):
Movie we were going to do would be The Crow
Never Seen It? What Never Seen It?

Speaker 2 (01:01:23):
Well, it's unimportant for this. So one of the first
things that happened that the very first day of filming,
one of the crew members, when in the crane that
he was using, drove right into a power line and
got burns over ninety percent of his body.

Speaker 8 (01:01:39):
Though we were talking about crows, now you're talking about cranes.

Speaker 2 (01:01:45):
I think it's a different crane.

Speaker 10 (01:01:47):
Oh okay, So that's what happened there.

Speaker 2 (01:01:50):
We had the second thing that happened a construction worker
that this is really some weird stuff that happened on
this So a construction worker drove a screwdriver completely through
his hand. I don't know how you do that.

Speaker 10 (01:02:03):
I don't know how you drive a screwdriver.

Speaker 2 (01:02:05):
Through your hand, but regardless, yeah, that would well anyways,
I guess you would think a professional construction worker would
kind of know what they're doing. A set sculptor drove
his car through the properm destroying almost all the props
that they had for the for the complete set up.
And this was a very low budget movie, so it

(01:02:27):
wasn't they didn't have a lot of money to work
with to begin with. The a storm destroyed the entire
set at one point, and then more importantly, the biggest
thing that happened was Brandon Lee was actually killed on
the set. Have you heard how he was killed on
the set?

Speaker 9 (01:02:41):
No?

Speaker 2 (01:02:42):
Okay, Now there's different takes on how this happened. Some
people say it's just them being cheap. Some people say
that it's just an accident. But what happens in in
a movie scene when you're using guns as a prop.
A lot of times they'll have blanks in them, but
the blank are just made to make noise, no projectiles,

(01:03:03):
And they had an expert on the set. But when
they released him a couple of days before this to
save money. So what they did was the people who
were on the set just regular prop people. They took
the bullets, they took everything out, and supposedly they were
good to go, but it was still had projectiles still
in it. So when the scene where they actually shot him,

(01:03:25):
it wasn't a real bullet, but something flew out of
the gun and hit him in the stomach and it
killed it. Now, what's odd about that is Bruce Lee,
his dad, who obviously died a strange death of its
own that could be a whole show of its own
on how he really died, Like that was Brandon Lee's dad.

Speaker 8 (01:03:42):
I don't know that.

Speaker 10 (01:03:43):
Yeah, And the Bruce Lee he.

Speaker 2 (01:03:45):
Died while making a movie, because we're not Brandon, but
Bruce Lee died from something. Brucelely died from a mysterious
illness that it was like, I don't know, it was
like a stomach illness or something. But a lot of
people think that the Chinese send It Gate had him
killed because he was making all these movies over in
America and he was teaching Americans, you know, a Chinese

(01:04:07):
former martial arts that they didn't agree with being let
outside of their own nationality, and he wasn't making movies
for them. He was coming over to America to make
more movies. So a lot of people think that he
was set up and killed by them. But in the
movie that he was killed during and he didn't get
killed on the set though, But while he was filming
the Game of Death part of that movie, there was

(01:04:31):
a scene where somebody got shot that was supposed to
be a prop gun and it actually shot and killed
them in the movie, and that's actually what happened to
his real son, Brandon Lee. With that, all right, let's
move on to the next one. The next one is
probably I think my favorite of all of them, and
that's the Omen. Now we're talking about the original one

(01:04:52):
in nineteen seventy six, not the one that was remade
here a few years back. So the first thing that
happened was have you ever seen the original Woman? Yeah,
you've seen the original.

Speaker 8 (01:05:03):
Yeah, you've showed it to me like a thousand times.
It pretty much ruined my childhood.

Speaker 2 (01:05:08):
Okay, well, I don't think i'll take a lamp for that,
but I'm sure you could point to a thousand other
things I did around your childhood. The very first thing
that happened was an animal hand There's a famous scene
in that one to where they're riding through like this
animal park and these baboons started attacking the car.

Speaker 10 (01:05:26):
Well, the animal handler who.

Speaker 2 (01:05:28):
Handled that particular scene was actually killed one day after
he shot that scene by a tiger that bananas. It's okay.
The special effects director's girlfriend was actually killed in a
car accident. They were driving every both in the car.
He had an accident and she was beheaded. I thought

(01:05:48):
she was cutting half could be either way. I heard beheaded.

Speaker 8 (01:05:51):
She could didn't they get beheaded in the movie.

Speaker 2 (01:05:54):
Well, yeah, I think in the movie. Either way, it
was very similar to what happened in the movie, because
there was in the set of the movie, there was
a piece of plate glass that that cut somebody either
behead of them and cut them in half. And his
girlfriend was killed eerily the same way, and there was
a sign that there was a that was incredible, that

(01:06:15):
was an omen but there was a there was a
sign that actually right before right where she got killed
at it said omen o M M E N sixty
six K. There was a sign that close to that accident.
So that's kind of weird of its own right. And
then it happened on Friday the thirteenth. On top of that, it's.

Speaker 8 (01:06:34):
A different movie entirely.

Speaker 2 (01:06:36):
That is a different movie, and I don't have anything
from there. Gregory Peck, the star of the movie, the
script writer, and an executive producer, all had planes hit
by lightning on the way to the set, which is
rare enough in its own right. And they were all
in different planes.

Speaker 8 (01:06:50):
Right, didn't his brother also die?

Speaker 2 (01:06:52):
His son committed suicide. His son, Yeah, his son committed
suicide during the filming or right before the film started,
like a week and a half, two weeks before the
filming the executive producer. He actually was staying in a
hotel and the hotel was bombed, and then the restaurant
was bombed, two separate occurrences. But the restaurant that was bombed,

(01:07:14):
all the crew was supposed to be meeting there and
it didn't happen for whatever reason. But they were all
supposed to be meeting ever some kind of lunch or
meeting or something that involved the script, but for some
reason that didn't happen, but it was bombed. The other
thing was there was a plane that they decided that
they wanted to have a private plane because of these
other little occurrences happening with the commercial stuff. This plane
apparently crash landed and it it landed on like a

(01:07:39):
freeway or something, and it hit a car. That car
spun out of control and hit another car. Everybody involved
was so needless to say, that's kind of a if
you're gonna say, there was a cursed movie set, that's
got to be right up there near the near the
top of them. Have you heard anything other than the
ones that I mentioned.

Speaker 12 (01:07:54):
Well, I heard that during the rot Willer scene when
they were filming that, you know, the dogs were at
the attack of padded stuntman. But once they started going like,
they just never stopped. They kept biting him and kept
going through until they've been through the padding and they
had to be pulled off of men to be hospitalized
over it.

Speaker 10 (01:08:10):
Oh wow, Well that's a pitch all right.

Speaker 2 (01:08:14):
Let's get to the last movie, The Matrix. Now a
lot of people will find it strange to have The
Matrix on here, but it's more of a what happened
to people going on in it because Keanu Reeves, I think,
is the main reason. He's just like cursed in his
own right.

Speaker 8 (01:08:28):
He's like a mortal. Yeah, the man never ages.

Speaker 2 (01:08:31):
He never ages, but he's sure it's bad luck to
everybody around him. Like he had a situation to where
his girlfriend during during the time that they were filming,
she had had a baby and it was still born,
so that was the first thing. They lost a baby
during the filming. This caused all kinds of problem between them,
him and her and their relationship. Then shortly after she

(01:08:54):
was actually involved in a car crash and died, so
he lost his girlfriend and he lost his maybe all
during the film into the Matrix. Then you had Aliyah
who was in the movie. She died in a plane
crash when she was out doing some volunteer work in
a foreign country. Gloria Foster, she actually died during the
making of the movie. And there were so many delays

(01:09:16):
that Keanu Reeves had to forfeit twenty four million dollars
of his own salary to try to help keep the
thing on budget. But she was supposed to get like
thirty six millions, so he still got like eleven twelve
million out of it. But it's not exactly like that
was horrible money, but yeah, it just seemed like there
was problem after problem after problem. So aside from all
his personal tragedies and two other people getting killed while

(01:09:38):
they were on there, and to him all these different,
you know, delays. That's that was kind of why it
made the list of the cursed movies.

Speaker 8 (01:09:46):
What would bring that movie to be cursed?

Speaker 2 (01:09:48):
It's not about I told you, I think it's Keanu Reeves.
I think that man's got all kinds of problem. You
go back and just look at everything else. Besides those things,
He's had all kinds of other stuff happened to him too,
So he's I think it's him. He's cursed.

Speaker 8 (01:10:00):
Maybe you need to do a show on killing Reeve.
Maybe he is involved with the cult.

Speaker 2 (01:10:04):
Very likely, that would make sense.

Speaker 8 (01:10:05):
Long Life.

Speaker 2 (01:10:07):
Now a couple of movies that we thought about doing
and didn't, I know, you said, the remake of Amityville Horror.
There was some stuff that went on.

Speaker 12 (01:10:16):
Right before filming. A deceased fisherman washed up on shore,
like the day before filming was supposed to start. And
also Ryan Ren was reported waking up at like three
point fifteen in the morning every morning, which is the
time that the defiled killings were supposed to estimate, you know,
take place.

Speaker 2 (01:10:31):
I heard that a bunch of the cast members had
that same problem, Like there were several of them that
reportedly waken up at like three fifteen. But yeah, there's
a bunch of movies we could Rosemary's Baby was one
that thought about doing a bunch of stuff to go
on there. But you know, we'll eventually do some more.
They somewhere down Linable throw throw Men. But yeah, there's
there's a bunch of different movies that have curses on

(01:10:53):
them as far as these types of things. But yeah,
the Matrix is the one that kind of I thought
it was unlike most of the ones like horror movies
and stuff like that.

Speaker 8 (01:11:02):
A cult to do with it.

Speaker 2 (01:11:03):
But you'd be surprised how many movies that their twilight
Zone is another one, the new twilight Zone. I don't
know if you know this and not victim Morel and
two Vietnamese children were killed during the filming, and there
was John Landis actually did because the original Twilight Zone
was cool. And what happened when the when the movie
came out, they had Steven Spielberg, John Landis and a

(01:11:26):
couple other big directors and they were all like directing
the story. Each one directed the story for the movie.
So it was kind of cool. It's first big collaboration
I've ever seen where you got all these big people
just to come in and do the one movie like that.
But John Landis actually faced charges in this. It's the
first time there was ever been a death on a
set to where you had charges. And it was because

(01:11:46):
first of all, these little Vietnamese kids he were using.
They were paying them under the table, so they weren't
part of the guild and all that stuff that they're
supposed to be to, you know, come in. They were
doing it so they could beat them cheaper. So it
came to light as soon as this happens.

Speaker 8 (01:12:01):
Asian slave labor.

Speaker 2 (01:12:04):
But I mean, really it does play right into the stereotype.
But what happened in this and this is where it
gets kind of kind of strange, is Vic Morrill. He's
playing the episode he's in It's where he's a really
big racist. He he's sitting in a bar. It's how
it starts off, be sitting in a bar and he's
talking about he doesn't like black people, and he don't
like Asians, and he don't like this and uh so

(01:12:30):
he's so he's sitting there and he's in this bar,
and all of a sudden, he goes back in time
and next thing you know, he's he's putting all these situations.
The KKK is chasing him, and then he's in the
Vietnam and the Americans are hunting him down and everything
like that. So he all of a sudden has to
go back and relive all these different things. Well, in
the scene to where uh he's in Vietnam, he grabs

(01:12:54):
these two little kids. There's a helicopter over top of him,
and he's running through the water, and there's actually a
YouTube video of all this stuff, so you can actually
see the accident, but he's running through the water. He
drops one of the little kids because there's an explosion,
which it was meant to do. The plane or the
helicopter was too close to the explosion, and when the
explosion went off, it messed with the rudder of the helicopter,

(01:13:18):
which caused it to spin out of control and land
on top of him, and it decapitated him and the
two kids.

Speaker 8 (01:13:23):
It's just free special effects.

Speaker 2 (01:13:26):
Well, the families didn't see it that way. But what's
weird about that is like shortly before that, a couple
of months before or a year before that, Victor Morrill,
the guy that was killed, he actually took out a
life insurance policy on himself, which he hadn't had before.
And then he said that he had had a month

(01:13:48):
or so before the accident. He said he actually had
a dream that he was killed in a helicopter accident,
which is why he had taken out the insurance policy.
So then he turns around and he was actually killed
in a freak accident with a helicopter. And then the
other thing that was worried about it is he had
said something about before the scene had started was he

(01:14:08):
should have got a stunt double for this set instead
of doing it himself. So yeah, it was kind of.

Speaker 8 (01:14:13):
A rather the stunt double died instead of him.

Speaker 2 (01:14:16):
Well he didn't know at the time.

Speaker 8 (01:14:17):
Maybe he deserved to die.

Speaker 2 (01:14:18):
Maybe, so he's just hateful. But yeah, so that was
kind of the whole thing on that is is everything
about that. But yeah, so John Landis end up facing
charges for you know, and then supposedly the people were
telling him that these explosions were too close to the
helicopter and he was like, I don't, don't worry about it.
Be fine, It'll be fine and fine. So it's basically

(01:14:39):
John Landis's fault that them people lost their lives. And
I think he got six months probation or Something's all.

Speaker 8 (01:14:44):
That you'll be hearing from John Landas's lawyer.

Speaker 2 (01:14:48):
I'm sure will. That's only been twenty some years ago,
so I think he'll be Okay, all right, that's this episode, Austin.
I appreciate you being on, no problem, and so, yeah,
it was a fun segment. So we'll continue on then
maybe we'll have you on in the future. Sweet Okay,
we are joined for this segment with my daughter Amber.

(01:15:08):
She is the middle of the children, say hello, Amber Hill.
That was full of enthusiasm. So we thought Amber gets
scared death out of pretty much anything, and she can't
watch horror movies. So I thought, what better story to
do with her than Annabelle, the true life story of
the doll. And a lot of people don't realize that

(01:15:29):
there is a true story behind Annabelle, and she is
actually kept in the Warren's Museum in a glass case
because of all the troubles and the antics she used
to get into. So we thought we'd tell you a
little bit about what really happened to the real Annabelle.
Are you ready for this? I'm ready? Are you sure?

Speaker 9 (01:15:46):
No?

Speaker 11 (01:15:47):
Let's go.

Speaker 2 (01:15:50):
Okay. So, the first of all, if you've seen the
movie Annabelle, it was just kind of a creepy looking doll.
The real Annabelle is nothing like that. The real Annabelle
is just your average raggedy and doll, the same ones
you've seen in stores for years. It was bought by
a mom who she found it a hobby store in
nineteen seventy. It was used and she thought, hey, it'd
be pretty cool to give this to her daughter who

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was in college. So that's what she did with it.
She gives it to her daughter, whose name was Donna,
and she was living with her roommate named Angie. I'm
not sure exactly where this took place at because I
didn't do that much research on it, But as it was,
it was just a doll when it first got it,
or at least that's the way it was perceived. Over time,
things would happen, like the doll would start to move.

(01:16:33):
Now when I say move, it was like little things
like the head or the arm would be on its
chest and then the arm was laying beside, or it
was a little bit tilted from where it used to be.
Things that just could happen from you know, settling of whatever,
wind blows something. I don't know. However, a doll would
barely move, so it's a ferbie pretty much. So what

(01:16:58):
would happen is this thing would move like that, so
they wouldn't think anything of it. But then over the
next week, weird stuff started happening, like they would put
it on the bed and it would end up they
leave and come on, we would end up on a couch.
You can see how that could be a problem when
there's nobody in the house. They had a friend named
Lou who absolutely hated this doll. He just felt like

(01:17:18):
that there was something evil with the doll and he
didn't want to have anything to do with it. Of course,
the girls, they didn't believe any of that shit. They
were modern day we don't believe in any kind of
curses or possession or anything like that. Ghost nothing. They
just felt like that anything that's happened to this point
could just be explained. Well, they eventually came around because

(01:17:38):
they started finding these little pieces of parchment paper laying
around the house. You know, parchment paper is it's like,
you know, like the old wanted signs you would see,
or the ones like the scrolls that you rolled out to,
like the kind of Manila looking paper, that type of paper.
They would find these around the house and they would
have little notes written on them. One of them would

(01:18:01):
say help us. Sometimes it would say help Lou. But
the weirdest thing about this is nobody in that apartment
had parchment paper. So not only were the notes weird,
but they were on paper that nobody in the house had,
So where the hell these notes come from? So what
eventually ended up happening is one night Donna came home,
Anna Belle was in her bed with bloody hands, or

(01:18:24):
at least something that looked like blood. Oh wow, are
you following me? Yeah?

Speaker 7 (01:18:27):
And I'm not sleeping tonight.

Speaker 2 (01:18:31):
So this this doll's got bloody hands. But the blood
seemed like it was coming from the doll itself, like
from inside the doll, not that it was something that
got on its hand. What do you think you were
doing that situation?

Speaker 7 (01:18:42):
I think I don't. Oh my god, I don't even know.
I'd be out in there.

Speaker 10 (01:18:48):
It's like having Tracy here.

Speaker 2 (01:18:50):
So what Donna decided to do was she called a medium,
and the medium said that long before the apartment complex
was built, it was, you know, the property where this
complex is was just an empty field and seven year
old Annabelle Higgins had been found in the field and
her spirit was still remaining and when they brought the

(01:19:11):
doll into the house, she basically latched onto the doll,
and she thought that the girls were trustworthy and she
wanted to stay with them, which is how the doll
got its saint Annabelle, because this medium told them that
this was the spirit of a little girl named annabel Higgins.
Do you think that you would be keeping the doll
at that point, I think the.

Speaker 13 (01:19:29):
Biggest issue or concern is that they thought the girls were.

Speaker 8 (01:19:32):
Trustworthy, since Winter women ever trustworthy to each other.

Speaker 10 (01:19:39):
At least, well there you go.

Speaker 2 (01:19:42):
Well what ended up and that actually is going to
be kind of foreboding, as we find out later on,
but the girls decided to keep it. As Amber knocks
the table over, the girls decided to keep the doll.
And you know, they figure because they were both nursing students,
that they work kind of nurturing type people, and that
would make sense that Annabelle would want to stay with him.

(01:20:04):
So it was kind of cute, I guess, having a
seven year old spirit hanging around the house, you know, cute.
I mean it is kind of like, when you think
about it, it is kind of like having a kid
that you really don't have to worry about feeding and
stuff like that, so you get the positives. And I
tried that with a cat one time, and if you
don't feed them, they well, well you know what happens
if you don't feed them anyway, So lou who I

(01:20:26):
already told you didn't like this doll, he starts having
these messed up dreams. Okay, he's dreaming that Annabelle's in
his bed. She climbs up his leg and then she
kind of you know, Now, keep in mind, as she's
climbing up his leg, he's frozen. It's almost like sleep
paralysis or something. He's awake, but he can't move. Yep,

(01:20:47):
So this doll is crime climbing up his leg. She
climbs up to his chest and then she starts choking
with her little stuffed mits or whatever they are, but
she starts choking him, and he eventually would wake up terrified.
I mean, his head would be pounding like somebody had

(01:21:08):
cut the blood off of his head. And so obviously
he's worried about the girls. Now, he actually had a
situation to where he did wake up at one point.
He spent the night at their house and he was
under couch and he did wake up at one point
and Annabelle was on him and he grabbed her and
threw it across the room. So, even though he had
dreamt this before, it actually happened in true life. Now,

(01:21:31):
a few days later, lou and Angie were actually hanging out.
They were talking about going on a road trip or something.
They heard something moving around and Donna's room well, obviously
the end of there was anybody else in the house,
so they thought, well, I guess maybe this is there's
an intruder or something like that. Lou goes to check
it out. He goes in the room, he looks in,
he doesn't see anybody. He goes in, checks it out

(01:21:53):
a little more. Annabelle, who's not on the bed anymore,
who was on the bed before. She's not on the bed,
she's sitting on the floor. And as he's one talking
over to towards her, he starts feeling like somebody's watching him.
You know that feeling you get that somebody's watching you,
get a little pain in the back of your neck,
like it's burning a little bit.

Speaker 10 (01:22:10):
He turns around.

Speaker 2 (01:22:11):
There's nobody there. He turns back around and starts heading
back over towards Annabelle, and he feels this real bad
burning sensation on his chest. He looks down in his
shirt and he's got these like claw marks on his chest.
And the thing about these claw marks is they healed
almost immediately, like they started getting better, and within like

(01:22:32):
a couple of days, they were completely gone. Even though
they were like really deep claw marks. So that told
them that, you know, there's more going on here than
what they can actually do. So they wanted help, and
they called an Episcopalian priest who then called Ed and
Lorraine Warren. You know who they are, No, they are
the people that helped out with the Ambigu Horror. They're

(01:22:54):
the people who had the museum that has all these
haunted objects such as Annabelle. They're the ones who went
and investigated the conjuring and the conjuring too, So that's
this is kind of yeah. For they were famous I
guess you could say psychics, Paris psychologists back in the seventies.
So whenever these major and demonologists, so every time there

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was these major deals, they were the most famous people
to get called in for these situations. So the Warrens
came and checked it out, and uh, they said that
this was not a ghost. That the other girl, I
guess was full of crap. The medium there was not
a ghost. It was an inhuman spirit. It was a
demon basically, and the demons they don't possess objects, demons

(01:23:41):
possess people. So it was using the doll to basically
manipulating the doll to make the doll seem like it
was doing stuff to make the people think it was
a haunting, but in reality, it was a demon that
was after Donna. That was the whole purpose of them
acting like it. They wanted it, wanted him the thing,
Oh cute, cute little girl, let me keep it, when

(01:24:03):
in reality that's what they wanted to have happened so
it could attach itself to Donna's The thing about this
that was really unnerving is that a priest performed an
exorcism on the apartment. The Warrens took the doll, okay,
they decided, so they weren't going to keep it there,
but they wanted to do an extra cibl in the
apartment to make sure if there was anything left, it
was gone. But the Warrens said they would take the doll,

(01:24:25):
So they put the doll in a bag and they
began their long drive home. They didn't take the expressway
because they felt like that this doll could probably do
something while they were driving, and going sixty five miles
an hour was probably not the best thing to be
doing with a crazy, demon possessed doll in the backseat.

Speaker 9 (01:24:45):
So they probably took horrible, scary back roads and something
else horrible, I'm sure happened.

Speaker 2 (01:24:50):
Well, they did take back roads oddly enough, and they
had problems with the breaks. They had problems with the
engine trying to cut in and out as they were driving.
It could just be an old two centsor that's just me,
but I don't necessarily know that for a fact. They
also had the para steering cut in and out, which

(01:25:12):
that makes sense because if your engine goes off, so
there's a para steering. So if their engine cut out,
those two would be connected.

Speaker 7 (01:25:18):
I'm not the person to ask about cars.

Speaker 2 (01:25:21):
Neither of mine, but I know that much. So anyway,
Ed pulled the car over Ed Warren, and he took
some holy water, sprinkled it on the doll inside the bag,
and it kind of stopped for then they get back
to where they're going, and Ed kind of kept the
doll by his desk and the doll would levitate completely
come off the ground. And that happened for a few times,

(01:25:43):
and nothing really else madeor happen the first couple of days.
But then within a few weeks it was right back
to its old tricks. They would have it in one room,
they would come back, it would be in a different room.
Then they decided to call a priest to exercise the doll.
Way just take it to Planet Fitness, probably different exercise.
So anyway, they bring this priest in, he's going to

(01:26:04):
exercise the doll, and he more or less is making
a mockery out of it.

Speaker 10 (01:26:08):
He's like, oh, you're just a doll.

Speaker 2 (01:26:10):
You can't hurt anybody, which the Warrens were like, dude,
that's not what we called you for. That's kind of
you know, patronizing the whole situation. And uh, but it's okay,
you know, because he's you know, he knew it all. Apparently,
he gets in his car, brand new car, by the way,
on his way home, he totals his car.

Speaker 10 (01:26:28):
He calls the Warrens after the fact and.

Speaker 2 (01:26:31):
Apologizes and says that, you know, it's like something just
took the wheel from him and made him crash.

Speaker 12 (01:26:38):
I don't understand the willingness of all of these people
taking this doll.

Speaker 2 (01:26:44):
Well, the Warrens at that point, they had a special
case built. It's a class glass case, wooden with a
glass case, and then they put Annabelle in it. And
Annabelle supposedly has not been out of the case since well,
I say that, but a couple of years ago, after
the Warrens passed away, the Annabelle was actually put into
a different case and moved somewhere else, so that the

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transporting is actually of the doll is actually on YouTube.
You can actually see when the guy who bought it.
So I don't know a lot of details about that
part of it, but that's actually what happened from the
true case of Annabel. So the movie There's Annabel Too
is getting ready to come out at the theaters if
it might already be out, but it's coming out with
it the next couple of days if not. But there

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you go. That's the true story of Annabel That's what
was inspired the movies. Sounds a lot similar to some
of the stuff that went on with Robert the Doll.

Speaker 7 (01:27:37):
Yeah, Robert the Dall was one of my favorite shows from.

Speaker 2 (01:27:41):
This podcast good and of course, what do you know
what movie was inspired by Robert the Dall. No, Chucky.
Chucky was inspired by Robert daw So, there we go. Amber,
thank you for being a guest on the show. Contributed
very little. It's funny for somebody who talks NonStop, you

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had nothing to say.

Speaker 7 (01:28:06):
He's not very kind to me, mocks me a lot,
so I'm afraid to talk.

Speaker 2 (01:28:12):
Whatever. Anyways, thanks so much for being on the show.
We appreciate it, and we'll have you back soon. Maybe
you can actually study the story or something and know
what's going on.

Speaker 7 (01:28:24):
We'll see luck.

Speaker 2 (01:28:27):
All right, Thanks, all right, everybody, welcome back, and we
are joined by Tracy's son, Josh. How's it going, Josh, Jerry,
I have no complaints. Josh didn't feel that it was
important enough to drive the two hours to do this
in person, so we're going to do his over the phone.

Speaker 10 (01:28:44):
Josh, we do thank you for being on.

Speaker 2 (01:28:46):
This is, like I said's kind of a cool thing
to be able to have all of our kids together
on one show. And I appreciate you taking time Bill do it.
I know you get a busy schedule.

Speaker 13 (01:28:54):
Hey, no problem. I just got to go back to
you because you're not enjoying Vegas with Mom right now.

Speaker 2 (01:28:59):
Well, I don't know that I would be enjoying Vegas anyway.
I'm not a gambler, so Vegas doesn't mean I've been
there twice and ho hum, I guess you know. Everybody's
got what they like. But that's just a gambling is
not my thing, and it's just a big waste of
time and money for me. But hey, as long as
she's happy blowing money, I'm okay with that.

Speaker 13 (01:29:16):
I guess that's right, Happy white, happy white.

Speaker 2 (01:29:18):
Right, that's right. So, Josh, I kind of sent you
some info on this. I know you've been reading up
a little bit. We're going to do the story of
Gloria Ramirez, which most people refer to as the Toxic Lady.
What did you think about the story in general? Was
you kind of surprised at some of the stuff that happened?

Speaker 13 (01:29:36):
Or I think any time that you have a lady
that comes in and smells like pretty garlic and makes
people passed out after being within two feet up or
is a little strange.

Speaker 2 (01:29:46):
I do know some women like that. It's usually not
the fruity garlic, but it's the same effect, end results
the same. So let's talk about a little bit of
what happened. This happened in nineteen ninety four in Riverside, California.

Speaker 13 (01:29:59):
Nice place.

Speaker 2 (01:30:00):
It does sound like it. I would think there's a
lot of more like ocean side in California rather than
the riverside, But who am I. This happened at Riverside
General Hospital, eight fifteen at night on February nineteenth. Now
what happened was this lady by name of Gloria Ramirez.
She had advanced cervical cancer and she was brought in
by paramedics to the hostel. She was confused, disoriented, her
heartbeat was way too fast, so the staff decided to

(01:30:23):
give her three different sedatives, and after she was not responding,
they used the fribrillator, which is you know, the heart shock, right,
This is where it starts getting strange yet because people,
or I say people, but it's the people in the er.
As far as the doctors and nurses. They noticed that
she's got this oily sheen all over her body and

(01:30:44):
a fruity garlic older that you alluded to that seemed
to be coming from her mouth.

Speaker 10 (01:30:48):
That is a bit strange. Wouldn't you admit.

Speaker 13 (01:30:51):
If I had smelt that on a date, I'd probably run.

Speaker 2 (01:30:53):
Well, I would hope, so I would hope. So now
the registered nurse, Susan Kane, she attempted to draw blood
and she noticed that there was an ammonia smell coming
from the tube. So she turns around and gives a
syringe to a resident by the name of Julie Korshinsky,
who noticed that there was some white particles floating in

(01:31:14):
the blood that they had drawn into tube. So already
we got all kinds of weird stuff going on here
between the smells and the part of Katie fainted and
she had to be removed from the operating or the
emergency room. Then Korzynski got real nauseous and lightheaded. She
left and set out at the nurses desk, and then
members of the staff asked her if she was okay.
But but before she could even answer the member who

(01:31:36):
asked her, she passed out. So now we've got people
passing out. The third person to pass out was a
lady by the name of Maureen Welch. She was a
respiratory therapist and she was in the trauma room. So
now we've got people in the trauma room passing out,
and people outside the trauma room out by the nurses
station passing out, all from this patient. At this point,
the staff decided to evacuate the er. They took moved

(01:31:59):
all the patients to the parking lot. Then they left
a skeleton crew behind to kind of work on Ramirez.

Speaker 13 (01:32:04):
Tell me this, wouldn't you think it'd be a little
easier to take Ramirez up as the parking lot and
let everybody else go on about the business.

Speaker 2 (01:32:10):
That's the same thing I'm thinking. If you got one
lady who seems to be on her deathbed anyway, why
don't you just move her out in the parking lot
instead ofjeopardizing everybody else. It makes no sense. But I
don't run a hospital, so I guess it's not my
area of expertise. With that being said, twenty three of
the thirty four hospital staff became sick.

Speaker 10 (01:32:29):
Five of them were hospitalized.

Speaker 2 (01:32:31):
At eight point fifty, Gloria Ramirez was pronounced dead from
kidney failure and it was related to her cancer, is
what they basically said. It really, you know, had nothing
to do with the smells or anything that's going on.
Her organs were shutting down because of kidney failure due
to the cancer. Obviously, there's still a lot of questions
to be answered, so the county Health Department called in

(01:32:53):
the Department of Health and Human Services now too. Scientists
on that group, doctor Anna Maria A. Sore and Kirsten Waller,
interviewed thirty four people from the staff. Most of them
had the same things in common. A lot of them
were women. The majority of people that had the issues
with the fainting and the nauseas and stuff for women.
But because of the fact that there were so many

(01:33:14):
of them that had things in common, they kind of
chalked us up to mass hysteria. So they're just saying
one person had it, so then the other person got it,
just like a situation where like the sailing witch trials
to where a couple of people started claiming stuff so
everybody else jumped on the bandwagon. Can you see that
being anywhere viable that all these people get sick and

(01:33:38):
it would just mainly be in their mind? And I mean,
does that make any sense at all to you?

Speaker 13 (01:33:43):
Well, if it was one or two people that just
had painted attacks or you know, started just painted from
the sheer situation that they were in, maybe, but for
twenty three people, I don't think that it would be
mass hysterio.

Speaker 2 (01:33:58):
Well, and then the other thing is a lot of
them they were nauseous and stuff like that. You don't
usually get nauseous from mass hysteria. I mean I wouldn't think.
Once again, I'm not an expert on mass hysteria. But
now Korshinsky, she's the one that had had to go
out to the nurses station and said she called bullshit anyway,
because she spent two weeks in ICU. She had problems

(01:34:18):
with her legs, she had a problem with her breathing,
she contracted a hepatitis and some kind of vascular necrosis
in her knees. So that's an awful lot of shit
to get from mass hysteria. I don't you know. And
that's the whole thing is how how can you actually
have physical problems like problems with your knees and hepatitis
from mass hysteria. You can't make yourself have those.

Speaker 13 (01:34:38):
Things, right, I mean, I've doing pretty hysterical and don't
I don't think I have hepatitis. Yeah, I'm not sure
how one tithe hepatitis with hysteria.

Speaker 2 (01:34:49):
Of course, they could just say that, you know, there
could have been something that was affected her in there,
not saying that there wasn't some result from what was
going on, but that it didn't result to all twenty
three people getting sick. So I don't know. I think
it's kind of travesty because they did all kinds of
autopsies on his chick and really didn't find anything. They
found nothing abnormal at all about her blood, nothing about

(01:35:13):
her organs other than the fact that she had to cancer.
She according to the autopsis, was perfectly fine. Now, the
problem with that is it took them ten weeks to
get her buried because of the fact they were doing
all these different autopsies, and I mean, she literally was
like a medical anomaly, so they wanted to find out
what in the world could be causing this. Now, because

(01:35:35):
it took them so long, her body was badly decomposed
after ten weeks, which meant when they turned it back
over to the family, they couldn't do their own private
autopsy because there really wouldn't much to do autopsies left everything.
You know, she had fecal matter all mixed up with
her blood, and the body was so decomposed that just
they said it was no sense in even trying to

(01:35:57):
do an actual autopsy from a private perspect I guess.

Speaker 13 (01:36:01):
I've also heard that there's a scientific reason behind this case.
Is that true?

Speaker 2 (01:36:06):
A little? Yeah, I mean, I guess it depends on it,
because there is some scientists actually came up with some stuff.
A group called Livermore Labs, which is out of out
of California. They did a little private study and they
had talked about the methyl sulfuoride sulfoxide. I'm telling you,
when it comes to these medical terms and it gets

(01:36:26):
late at night, it's no, it's not a good combination.
But yeah, the methyl foxide, it's a solvent that is
like a really powerful degreaser and you can get it
and a lot of these different hardware stores and stuff.
But it's also a home remedy for pain.

Speaker 13 (01:36:42):
And well, the first thing that I do when I'm
in pain is I go straight for the degreas or
I don't know about you, Jerry good Well, I mean.

Speaker 2 (01:36:48):
Why wouldn't you mean, because you know a lot of
a lot of de greasers have orange in them. I
kind of like oranges, so I'm partial to that. But anyway,
so this stuff, like I said, it can come into
jail form. And what what makes them believe that this
could have been a situation is because her kidneys were
not working. If she was doing this, it would build
up in her body. Supposedly, somebody other people who have

(01:37:11):
tested this says that it does have a garlicy taste,
so that would explain, you know, the smell that we
were having. Also, because of the fact that it's a degreaser,
it would make sense that that would give the weally
sheen on her body because it would be technically decreasing her.
So that's that's part of what it is. The other
part is they say that when it's at room temperature

(01:37:33):
that it crystallizes, so that might be what they saw
floating in her blood and.

Speaker 13 (01:37:37):
Then and that's that's when it forms the net tho
is when it is what it's called whenever history and
temperature and starts to crystallize.

Speaker 2 (01:37:47):
I guess, well that just sounds complicated.

Speaker 8 (01:37:49):
You're you're smart.

Speaker 13 (01:37:51):
Don't act me spell it.

Speaker 2 (01:37:52):
You're smarter than not give credit for you. Uh did
you pick that up at School of the Marines because
somebody did a good job with you. I know you
didn't get that from your mom. So now they're saying that.
They're also saying that the electric shock, the electric shock
combined with this could have actually caused a gas that
could have been what was making people nauseous and blawn out.

(01:38:14):
But I know you did a little bit of studying
on this too. Do you feel like that's a viable
explanation for what could have happened?

Speaker 13 (01:38:21):
Well, you know, I've been to many hospitals, and I
don't think I've ever seen twenty three separate people visit
someone in the hospital, especially to work on them. No,
I don't honestly think.

Speaker 3 (01:38:33):
That they could do it.

Speaker 8 (01:38:34):
Well, I no point three people.

Speaker 13 (01:38:35):
Inhaling the same gap and getting noxious and getting sick.

Speaker 2 (01:38:38):
It's funny because even though you know now, you do
have people that say they think this is what happened
is you know, with the demethosphoxide, But there's a lot
of people who also shoot that down and say that
that sounds good in three but it's not physically possible
for those things to happen, so as it would have to.

Speaker 13 (01:38:55):
Be the stores would have to align for that to happen.
I feel for it all the play out that way.

Speaker 2 (01:39:01):
Yeah, I think so too. As it stands right now,
they really don't have an explanation, and it's listed as
an unsolved medical situation, So as it is, nobody really
knows what happened. We just know that unfortunately Gloria passed
away from recervical cancer. A lot of people got sick
and nobody has a clue why, and there was a
bunch of people with the er put out in the

(01:39:22):
parking lot for apparently no reason. Well there's my thoughts.
Any closing shots on a Miss Ramirez.

Speaker 13 (01:39:28):
I really, I mean, I really don't understand exactly how
it could happen either way, you know, the scientific way.
You know, maybe there was something wrong with their Like
I don't know if you ever saw the movie that
the Toxic Avenger where the dude falls into the thing
of that a nuclear waste. But unless it was something
like that, I really had no idea.

Speaker 2 (01:39:47):
I'm gonna go out on a limbit, so that would
be a bit of a stretch compared to one is
an actual movie and the other one is in real life. Hey,
But either way, Josh, I appreciate you being on there, brother.
Like I said, I know you've got tons of stuff
going on, and you took fifteen twenty minutes out to
be able to do this, and I know your mom
will appreciate it. Keep up the good work, man. And
for those of you who don't know, Josh is pretty
damn smart. He works on planes and doing the wiring

(01:40:09):
and stuff like that. So without him, you don't get
in the air, or you could get in the air,
but maybe you don't stay up there, so we'll give
him credit for what he does. So I appreciate you
being on, Josh, thank you so much. Brother.

Speaker 13 (01:40:22):
Well, I appreciate you for having me Jerry. It's been fun.
Thank you.