2052 The Axe man, Bre from Tennessee Horror News and Promotions

Jerry and Tracy discuss how 43 yrs of axe murders could all have been done by the same person. Bre from Tennessee Horror News and Promotions calls in to talk about Tarot and Ouija board readings. Tracy raps Eazy E

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome, haabilionation. How the heck are you? Hope you all
had a good weekend. I know ours was not too bad,
very uneventful, which is exactly the way I like them.
We are coming up on Thanksgiving week and everybody just

(00:20):
sit down, relax, enjoy some great turkey, ham, Mexican food,
whatever you are having this Thanksgiving sit down, enjoy the food,
but most of all, enjoy the company. Everybody keep Tracy

(00:42):
in mind. This is going to be a very hard
week for her. This is the week that our beloved
Jerry decided to cross that bridge and move on. Tracy,
if you're listening, like always, we love you for thinking
about you. We're praying for you. You're always in our thoughts.

(01:04):
Anytime you need to talk, you know we're there. Enjoy
your holiday the best you can, know that we are
thinking about you. Okay, good, and everybody else go enjoy
your company, enjoy your family. Because I know I'm not

(01:28):
not because of my company, not because of my family.
It's because my job had decided to make me work
on Thanksgiving Day. So while my family is enjoying company
and food, I would be on the road working from
eight thirty to five. It is what it is. That's

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the nature of my job. It happens sometimes, So y'all
enjoy a little bit of cheese cake for me on
a little bit of turkey, will you. On this week's episode,
Jerry and Tracy discuss how forty three years of axe
murders good have all been done by the same person.

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And after that, Breede from Tennessee Horror News and Promotions
calls in to talk about Tara and Ouiji board readings.

Speaker 2 (02:21):
What what.

Speaker 1 (02:25):
The best part of it all? And this does not
happen often, so when it does, we tend to enjoy
it a little bit. And I am talking about Tracy Raps.
That's right, Tracy Rap with e Z E. Y'all know

(02:47):
what I'm talking about. But be sure you get through
all the other stories. Do not fast forward to listen
to that rap song. Listen to the whole show, and
then have your dessert and listen to Tracy Raps. Y'all
have a fantastic week and we will talk to you
next weekend.

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Speaker 3 (03:40):
Welcome to Hell Bill and Horse Stories.

Speaker 2 (03:44):
And now he's yours, j Tracy, Pauline and their dog menjo.

Speaker 5 (03:54):
Hey, this is Brock and this is Nikki and we're
the hosts of them I so called whatever podcast where
we get nostalgic about all the things we miss growing
up in the eighties and nineties and some things we
don't miss.

Speaker 3 (04:05):
We even talked about new kids on the block.

Speaker 2 (04:06):
You know what you did.

Speaker 3 (04:07):
You're listening to one of our favorite.

Speaker 5 (04:09):
Podcasts, Hillbilly Horror Stories with Jerry and Tracy.

Speaker 4 (04:13):
We love you, guys.

Speaker 3 (04:15):
Welcome everybody to episode fifty eight of Hillbilly Horror Stories.
I'm Jerry and I'm joined as usual. Bye Tracy.

Speaker 5 (04:23):
Hey, guys, what's going on?

Speaker 3 (04:26):
We have a loaded show for you tonight, and we
got some cool stuff to tell you about. So what
I want to do is jump straight into this so
we can just get on with the show. Does that
sound good to you? Sure? Okay. First of all, thanks
as usual to all of our military and civil servants
all around the world.

Speaker 5 (04:45):
Thank you, guys, God bless you.

Speaker 3 (04:47):
Special thoughts out to the victims of the London terrorist attack.

Speaker 5 (04:52):
Dude. I just wish people would just stop with this
crap already. But we're praying for you guys as all.
And I don't know you guys have gone through so
much here recently, but we are praying for you, and
I guess that's all we can do.

Speaker 3 (05:09):
Yep. Let's uh, new patrons we did. We put a
new bonus episode out for our patron listeners and it
was on coincidences. The whole show of nothing but now
it's worth of just awesome coincidences in history. And I
wouldn't sure how it was going to be perceived because
it's a little off of what we normally do. But
the patrons loved it because we got nothing but positive reviews.

Speaker 5 (05:32):
It's really cool though, to hear all that stuff.

Speaker 3 (05:36):
So we had we had some new Patreon supporters this week. Andrew,
I'm sorry if I'm finished pronounce this, Andrew Mark Jarrison,
I think or Mark Jerrison, Andrew mar Jerison, Jessica Walter.
She actually upped hers from what it was to something
a little bit higher so she gets more episodes. Thank you,
Meredith Bass, Thank you three for becoming new patrons this week.

Speaker 5 (05:59):
You guys are awesome. We appreciate you.

Speaker 3 (06:01):
iTunes reviews, we had a bunch of cool itune reviews.
I love the names on that iTunes. The first one
is traveling Pants.

Speaker 5 (06:08):
There you go.

Speaker 6 (06:09):
I like that.

Speaker 3 (06:10):
And then we had Micah Monge. I believe it is
sailor guys. I don't know if there's just a bunch
of guys using one though well, I don't know, but
thank you Johnny Drill this one. The next one, I'm
not gonna give the name that's actually on an attern
review because it's Nick Alexander. Nick is a co host
of a podcast called Brohio now Brohio Prohio like Ohio,

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but they're bros who do a podcast. These guys. I
always give you guys suggestions on podcasts, and I'm going
to give you this one with a disclaimer. These guys
are phenomenal. They're funny as hell. They're one of my
favorite shows to listen to just from a comedy standpoint. Now,

(06:57):
they talk about stuff like for Wright Air Force Base,
and they talk about UFO stuff, but they also do
like some pop culture stuff. They did a story on
the Michael Jackson sex scandals, and they did the Tupac
and Biggie shootings and stuff like that. But you know
who shot Tupaca. It's more on Tupac. But you can't
talk Tupac without Biggie. But these guys are hilarious. They

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also are not the most politically correct guys in the world,
and they'll be the first to admit it. But I
think the show is hilarious. But some people will probably
be offended. So just let it be known that I'm
telling you. If you are easily offended, it's probably not
the show for you. But if you just don't care
about politically correctness and you just want to laugh, give

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them a listen because you'll laugh your ass off.

Speaker 5 (07:44):
How about just don't get offended.

Speaker 3 (07:46):
Yeah, unfortunately, that's not the society we live in.

Speaker 5 (07:49):
Well that's crazy. That's a crazy society.

Speaker 3 (07:52):
But I like at least tell people, you know, like
I said, it's funny. I think it's funny. If you
like comedians like Chris Rock or Eddie Murphy for you
back in the day or some of the other big
names that are out there to day, you probably won't
have an issue with it.

Speaker 5 (08:05):
But you know, they're pretty good.

Speaker 3 (08:07):
Yeah, but they're they're funny as hell. So thanks for
the review. And they gave us a shout out in
their show a couple of weeks, so thank you, guys. Great,
we owe them a shout out. This other name, there
is no way I'm going to get this right. It's
s K d O D O E n R I
d I E j r D. So thank you for

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the review. No, thank you for the long ass name
to try to read.

Speaker 2 (08:31):
Sorry.

Speaker 5 (08:32):
Sorry, it's better that he spelled that out because honestly.

Speaker 3 (08:35):
I would have known. I don't think it's actually meant
to spell anything.

Speaker 5 (08:38):
So I think that's really cool, though it kind of
makes you think about it.

Speaker 3 (08:42):
Yeah, it's not cool at all. Michael Kaufman, thank you
for your review. And we had another one that was
looks like it says been in Town, but it's the
Two Worst Dudes podcast. That's another cool podcast out there.
But they're just just really getting their feet wet. Giving
them a chance. You Chance two Worse Dude's podcast.

Speaker 5 (09:01):
Awesome.

Speaker 3 (09:02):
All right, Like I said, there's we got here's some
of the stuff. We're gonna get to you later in
the show. I know, everybody, please try to be patient.
At the end of the show, we will do the
latest installment of Tracy raps. Oh Tracy.

Speaker 5 (09:21):
If you don't, if you if you don't, well, okay,
I don't even know what to say. If you want
to have night terrors, then you should listen because it is.

Speaker 3 (09:30):
Beyond I'm not gonna lie. I've listened to it like
ten times and laughed my ass off every time. I
know that's not the intent. Okay, that is the intent
from me, but let that be the intent from you.

Speaker 2 (09:45):
I just can't.

Speaker 5 (09:45):
I just can't get my groove on. I just can't.
It's awful. Just when I think I got my groove on, man,
I flub it up. It's so bad.

Speaker 6 (09:52):
You know.

Speaker 3 (09:53):
Hearing Tracy rap some of these songs is like the
vocal equivalent to watching Elaine Benn stance from Seinfeld.

Speaker 6 (10:05):
You do.

Speaker 3 (10:07):
So uh when Ninja just stop hawking up along in
the background. That just totally runs. Has he got no
couth at all? Stuff? But here's some of the stuff
we got going on. We're going to announce a little
bit later in the show the winners for the combo poster,
signed poster from Bow from Hillbilly Horror Show, and the DVD.

(10:29):
We got three winners from Twitter and three winners from
our Facebook pace, so we're going to announce those later.
We obviously have our Joke of the Day in the
Twisted Thought of the Day coming up, and we're going
to talk a little bit about Scarefest. We've got some
good news to announce about that. And then Brie from
Tennessee Horror News and Promotions is actually going to be

(10:53):
on the show to get a little interview with her.
She's gonna tell us this is what the main reason
I wondered on the show. First of all, she's gonna
be at Scarefest with us, and she does represent Tennessee
Horror News and Promotions, So she actually gets to go out.
How cool is this? She gets to go out and
go to all these hundred attractions all over Gatlinburg and
all over Pigeon Forge and Nashville and all these places.

(11:15):
She goes all these haunted attractions, hunted houses around Halloween
time and she gets to give reviews on them. Yes,
that's part of what she does. And then she goes
all these horror conventions her job, and yeah, no shit,
that'd be great. And this chick, I'm telling you, nobody
is more into horror than her.

Speaker 5 (11:32):
She definitely is.

Speaker 3 (11:34):
Yeah. I mean, every day it's Happy Tuesday and it's
some kind of Michael Myers slash in somebody's throat. It's
not really that graphic, but it's something like that. But
I mean, like she redid her bedroom and it's like
you see these things pop up where it's like the
sheets and the and the pillowcases and stuff, but it
looks like blood splatter or it looks like a crip sing.
That's the kind of shit she does. She's got a

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whole house full of stuff like that.

Speaker 5 (11:56):
That's cool.

Speaker 3 (11:57):
And so yeah, she is one hundred percent into watching nothing.
If she's awake, she's watching a horror movie. So that's
you know, it's awesome. But she's gonna tell us the
other reason I wonder on she does Tarrort readings, Terrort
card readings, and she does Weiji board readings and what yeah,
what's that? You know?

Speaker 6 (12:16):
I know what a.

Speaker 5 (12:18):
Board is what, But how do you do it? You
mean she plays a game.

Speaker 3 (12:25):
No, I mean she's got the board in front of her.
When people ask, she asks the Weiji board to get answered.
She does not do that. She does do that. And
she's gonna tell us a little bit that she's gonna
tell us about why she doesn't see the problem. But
she's gonna tell us some dudes and some don'ts. And
I ask her some questions about the differences between the two,
because it really is a big difference between which type

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of reading that you give somebody, whether it's from the
Wija board or whether it's from the terror card.

Speaker 5 (12:50):
She is brave.

Speaker 3 (12:51):
Yeah, So we'll have that up in a little bit.
But our story tonight is on the axe man. Who
is the ax man? Well, I'm going to tell you
that I don't know, first of all, first and foremost,
but I'm going to make a case that a series

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of axe killings over the course of like forty three years,
we're all done by the same person, and most of
these aren't connected together, or you wouldn't have thought would
be connected together. But I'm going to break them down
in chronological order to try to tell you how it's
very possible that they all could be the same person. Okay,

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so that's what we're gonna do. A lot of people
ask us, and we talked about this a little bit
on the last show. The Veliska House murders, the Axe murders,
that's a famous case. The ax Man of New Orleans,
that's a really famous case. In the process of doing this,
we're going to talk about those two stories, but we're
also going to link them to say they may be
the same person, which most people don't talk about, but

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I think that's the case. So I'm ready to jump
right into this if you are. And this episode is
brought to you by nobody because our sponsors are ran out.
But I do want to thank Hibbily Horror Show for
giving us basically six gifts to give away. Very nice

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and they've been sponsors for the last couple of weeks
and I want to give a big shout out to them.

Speaker 5 (14:25):
Well, thank you all.

Speaker 3 (14:26):
Okay, here we go. As I said, the Buliska House Murders,
the Axe Man, and New Orleans, those both would be
pretty awesome shows, and we are going to touch on them,
but I'm not going to get into huge detail as
if it was one show, because I think trying to
connect the dots here is an even bigger story than

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what those individual stories are. All right, those are probably
the two most famous cases of families murdered with an axe, Okay,
And like I said, there's several different The Feliska House
murders was one family, but with the axe man in
New Orleans stories that was several families killed during a

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period of time. But those two cases are the two
most famous cases of basically a whole family being slaughtered
with an axe.

Speaker 5 (15:16):
That would hurt so bad. I think if I had
to be done that way, I mean, if I had
to go, I would not want to go with an
axe at all. Oh, I'm sorry, I just thought to
say that, so you can go ahead with your story.

Speaker 3 (15:28):
You know what I'm saying that it's a very horrible
smelling body spray. I would not want that either.

Speaker 5 (15:33):
It is not that's sexy. That's what sexy guys wear. Okay, Okay,
go ahead.

Speaker 3 (15:40):
Several of these cases across the US that supposedly weren't
connected or very similar to what happened in these two cases, though,
So that's what we're going to talk about. All of
these happened from eighteen seventy nine to nineteen twenty two,
at the span of forty three years. The Chilean similarities
between the first case we're going to talk about and
the very last case are chilling to the bone of

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how similar they really are, which is what really is
going to tie it together. Now, despite the spanning years
and the fact that these happened all over the country,
there's a possibility that all of them might be connected. Now,
forty three years obviously he's a long time. But the
reality of it is if he started in his early twenties,
and I'm assuming it's a heat and he would have

(16:29):
been in the sixties when all this was said and done. Now,
if you think about it, that's about the average time
that a person works in their life. They start in
their twenties. Were Tiller's sixties, So that wouldn't be completely
out of the question that somebody could have spent forty
so much years just being a serial killer.

Speaker 5 (16:48):
Damn, his arms must have been tired in that axe.
He must have probably all bulked up and stuff.

Speaker 3 (16:55):
He's like here, Lizzie Borden, here, hope my beer.

Speaker 5 (16:57):
Yeah, that's right.

Speaker 3 (17:00):
So anyway, If this is the case, it would make
this person the most prolific serial killer of all time. Wow,
think about that. I'm going to share several cases with
you today that show how this is possible. So let's
start with eighteen seventy nine Martin and Susan. The four

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were an elderly couple. They lived alone on Icewell Road
and an Atlanta, Georgia suburb. Now. On a rainy night
Friday seven twenty five, eighteen seventy nine, they were brutally
murdered in their bed with an axe. The attack was
so vicious that they were both nearly decapitated. Their cap

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was to dictate it.

Speaker 5 (17:46):
That's not funny.

Speaker 3 (17:47):
The axe used was found in the fireplace, covered in
ashes and blood.

Speaker 5 (17:52):
Oh okay, that's a stupid.

Speaker 3 (17:54):
Well, you're going to see that. That's kind of the
common thing. So it appeared that the bailer had been
hiding out in a room upstairs for a few days
before the murders. They found a muddy footprint that was
kind of coming from a window, so that's where he
came in from. They also found human feces.

Speaker 5 (18:16):
Well, I mean in the room, oh, from the guy
that was hiding in there. I mean, if you're in
there hiding for somebody, you're gonna shit yourself, I'm sure
for the next five days.

Speaker 3 (18:25):
Well, nobody said he was in there for five days. No,
I just said he'd been in there for a few days.

Speaker 5 (18:31):
Okay, Well, I just thought maybe if he's been in
a few days, he probably did have to go to
the bathroom.

Speaker 3 (18:35):
Well, the killer patiently waited for Friday night to kill him.
Barefoot prints were also found heading to the house from
the woodshed where he got the axe. Okay, robbery was
not a motive because several valuable the articles and money
and stuff, including their silver collection, was all left right
in plain sight. So the murderer was in no hurry

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to leave the house because he also up to self
to some food and some milk before or after the kill.
They could have been either one.

Speaker 5 (19:05):
But you know, make yourself at home, everybuddy.

Speaker 3 (19:08):
Despite a huge man hunt, the killer was never found
and it's still unsalted.

Speaker 5 (19:11):
You're kidding me, No way he found him.

Speaker 3 (19:15):
Do you think if they'd have found him after the
first murder we've been talking about this, Pane.

Speaker 5 (19:18):
I mean, that's true, but I can't believe that, like
they couldn't do something with that footprint.

Speaker 3 (19:23):
Well, in eighteen seventy nine, I'm guessing that forensics weren't
probably what they were today.

Speaker 5 (19:27):
All these stupid things happened way back in the.

Speaker 3 (19:29):
Years where you could not They actually didn't have cell
phones back then.

Speaker 5 (19:33):
Just for the reck Okay, I guess I'm never gonna
leave that one down.

Speaker 3 (19:37):
So the fact that the robbery wasn't a motive is
going to be a key in trying to tile these
different murders together because it's it's definitely a recurring theme
and all these were going to talk about. So five
years later, five years so there was a gap here,
But we'll get into these gaps a little bit later too.
Five years later, on December thirtieth, nineteen eighty four, in Austin, Texas,

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nine o one West Pecan Street. I know it's I
say Pecan, but everybody else is I'm wrong. So on
nine o one West Pacon Street, twenty five year old
Molly Smith was sleeping when an unknown person attacked her
with an axe. Now, while she was still alive, he
drug her out to the backyard, where he raped her
and then murdered her. Once again, no robbery had occurred.

Speaker 5 (20:24):
Okay, I know we're continuing. I just don't understand how
somebody can be hiding in your house.

Speaker 3 (20:29):
Well, nobody said she was.

Speaker 4 (20:30):
He was.

Speaker 5 (20:30):
No, No, I'm still back on the first story. I mean,
how can you not notice somewhere somehow that somebody is
in your house. I don't get it.

Speaker 3 (20:39):
I don't know.

Speaker 5 (20:40):
I mean, seriously, there's only so many places in the house.

Speaker 3 (20:43):
And do you know if they're hiding in an attic
or something and you don't go to the attic.

Speaker 5 (20:48):
Oh, I guess you think they were to hear something.
He's got to move.

Speaker 3 (20:53):
Well, there is a story where we'll get into some
of that. So obviously this murder shocked the city, and
the perpetrator was never caught. Now we've got another case
of no robbery when they could have, and somebody being
attacked with an axe while they were sleeping. Several months later,
on May seventh, eighteen eighty five, neighbors heard screams coming

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from three to zero two East Cyphers Street, the house
of Eliza Shelley. She was thirty years old. Now keep
in mind, this is still Austin, Texas, whereth the one
we just had. When neighbors got there and went in
the house. They almost passed out from the site. Eliza
had been so viciously attacked that her head was split
split in two, and her brain was exposed. Her sheets

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were bright red stained from all the massive loss of blood.
They found one single bloody footprint, but no one was
ever caught, no sign of any robbery, so this was no,
we didn't have anything to do.

Speaker 5 (21:59):
Gosh, that sound awful.

Speaker 3 (22:00):
So obviously after these two brittle murders, the city was
in a panic, but the horror would only worsen as
four other people were found slaughtered in their bed by
the way of an axe.

Speaker 5 (22:10):
Oh man, how scary is that to be living back
in those days.

Speaker 3 (22:15):
Christmas Eve eighteen eighty five, two more people were found
butchered in their home. None of the previous six had
anything taken from them. Okay, suddenly the killings just stopped.

Speaker 5 (22:29):
Well, he should feel bad doing it on Christmas Eve.

Speaker 3 (22:32):
I'm sure that's I'm sure that was his concern, being
the religious man that he obviously was. No gifts for you, buddy,
I think that's right into Santa Claus was he knows
when you were sleeping? Yeah, he knows when you kill
people in an axe.

Speaker 5 (22:45):
That's terrible.

Speaker 3 (22:47):
So the six that were killed, Mary Raymie, Iron Cross,
Graysy Vans, Orange Washington, Eula Phillips, and Susan Hancock all
were murdered in their bed with an axe. In all instances,
the weapon was left behind in some cases of bloody footprint,
but bloodhounds could not track down any of the culprits.

Speaker 5 (23:08):
That's amazing.

Speaker 3 (23:09):
Here's a strange fact. No dogs were ever heard barking,
even though in some cases there were some that were
in fenced in yards right at the properties of this.

Speaker 5 (23:19):
Wow. Well that is kind of weird.

Speaker 3 (23:22):
So you see, out of all the murders we've talked
about so far.

Speaker 5 (23:25):
He didn't kill the dogs.

Speaker 3 (23:26):
Well no, I don't guess. Okay, out of all the
murders we talked about so far, in almost every instance
they were attacked while they were in bed. There was
no robbery, and he left the weapon behind almost every time.
So that sounds a lot like the same person.

Speaker 5 (23:41):
Yeah, sure does.

Speaker 3 (23:44):
We're going to pick up the story twelve years later
in Paradise Ridge, Tennessee, which is close to Nashville. So
now he's went first from the first murder to the
second it was like a five year gap. Now from
that that was a string and now there's like a
twelve year gap. March twenty third, eighteen ninety seven, a
man went to get some water before going to bed,

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and then he kind of noticed out the window that
there was a fire kind of off in a distance,
but it was in the same area of where his
neighbors lived. Him right that the Aid family was her name.
He rode over and found that all the house that
was there, in all the out buildings were all on fire.
Some of the buildings had already fallen. They had been
burning for so long. It started to rain, so that

(24:27):
kind of put things out. So he was able to
go to the farmhouse and he kind of stumbled upon
a grizzly scene. The entire Aid family, Jacob who was sixty,
his wife Pauline who was fifty, his daughter Lizzie who
was twenty, and his son Harry thirteen had all been
murdered with an axe. After reconstructing the crime scene, it

(24:50):
was believed that the family was in the parlor around
eight o'clock and intruder killed mister Aid while he still
sat in the chair with an axe at the head.
The rest of the family looked like they had tried
to escape, but they were killed one by one. The
body of a ten year old neighbor girl was later found.
Her name was Rosa Maria. She wasn't as badly burned

(25:15):
as the other so it's kind of believed that she
escaped and he tracked her down, killed her, and threw
her back into the burning house.

Speaker 5 (25:24):
Oh my god, I hate him. He sucks.

Speaker 3 (25:28):
She was found with one hand raised above her head
and her hand had been cut off and her head
was split open. Once again, robbery was not a motive.
Large amounts of cash invaluables were right within reach.

Speaker 5 (25:42):
Wow, she's not much for changing things up, is he.

Speaker 3 (25:46):
No, As in some of the others, he had prepared
a meal before burning a house down, so this is
just like just like some of the other ones, he
did actually prepare a meal and the axe was found there,
so that's the same old Now twelve years, you know,
was there something that happened in between those twelve years.
It's just not being reported as possible. So now let's

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jump to nineteen eleven. This is fourteen years later, so
think about this. Keep in mind it was twelve years
before the other one fourteen years. Now, that's a long
stretch of just having one. You've got twenty six years
with one murder in between that stretch. Yeah, but it's
getting ready to pick up. So twelve years from murder,

(26:28):
today's family now fourteen years and nothing. It's possible that
he went dormant, because a lot of serial killers do
do that, But he was killing people at a clip
in the Austin, Texas days where it just seems kind
of odd he could do that. My guess is that

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he didn't just drop off and quit killing people. There
either was just no record some of the people he killed,
or they arrested the wrong suspects. So that's very possible.
So he just didn't get to blame on that. But
or he just was killing people and you know nobody
knew about it, yeah, because he could have been disposing

(27:10):
the bodies or something like that. So on June eighth,
nineteen eleven, a family of four was killed by an
axe near Portland, Oregon. Now he's went from keep in mind,
he started off in Atlanta, Georgia, went to Austin, Texas,
and then you know, back and forth, and he went
to Tennessee. Now he's all the way across the country

(27:30):
in Oregon. The it's disturbing to hear about all these
kids and stuff killed, but it's you know, to what happened.
So the family of four was killed by an ax
murder or by an axe. The kids were found in
the bed and the parents were found in another part
of the house. No motive, no robbery. Once again, an

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axe was left at the same A month later, in Rainy, Washington,
which at least is that negative Woods, a concerned neighbor
went into the home of mister and missus Archie Kerbal.
They had both been murdered in their bed. Nothing was taken,

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very similar to the events in Oregon. Two months later,
on September seventeenth, in Colorado Springs, someone obviously with an
axe entered the house of Alice May were ruined and
killed her, her six year old daughter, and her three
year old son, all while they were in their bed.

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Missus Bernouin sister found her body like three days after
this happened. After seeing obviously the mangled bodies, she ran
out and then started screaming for neighbors, and all the
neighbors came out and was trying to find out what
was going on except for one house that was her

(28:59):
very next door neighbors where the Wayne family lived. Neighbors
quickly went in to check on them, only to find
that Henry Wayne, his wife Blanche, and their one year
old baby had all been killed in their beds. Damn it,
skulls crushed acts found nearby. He came in through a
window and after killing him, he actually made all the

(29:22):
beds and tucked each one of them.

Speaker 2 (29:24):
Men.

Speaker 5 (29:24):
Oh man, what a sick o. Oh my gosh. Nothing
was How does one's mind work like that?

Speaker 3 (29:33):
We'll probably fixed. We're gonna get to a point later
to where you're gonna hear something that may if this
is the same person will answer some of that.

Speaker 4 (29:41):
Oh my gosh.

Speaker 3 (29:42):
Once again, nothing was missing from either house, and both
houses were locked from the inside. Now this is unusual
because back in this time people didn't lock their houses. Yeah, so,
especially out in little communities like that. So thirteen days later,
the first present in church, all these people arrived for service,

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but the doors were locked, so they called the caretaker,
William Dawson. He was the guy who was supposed to
unlock the doors, but he didn't answer the phone. So
a few of the men went to his house and
they saw all the blinds were closed. They found mister
and Missus Dawson, their teenage daughter all dead, with their
skulls crushed. Robbery, once again wasn't a motive. Two weeks later,

(30:29):
in Ellsworth, Kansas, a neighbor was worried about the Sherman family.
She'd been calling and calling, but nobody ever answered the phone.
She went to check and mister and Missus Sherman and
three kids had all been killed with an axe that
had been taken from the neighbor's yard. A piece of clothing,

(30:51):
though this was a little unique, was actually thrown over
top of the telephone, possibly to muffle the ringing. So
it's possible this was going on at the same time
she was calling. Oh, she should have been more proactive
and went over there, and she could have stopped it,
or she or got her head basheding.

Speaker 5 (31:07):
Oh, definitely.

Speaker 3 (31:08):
Two weeks later in Mount Pleasant, Iowa. Now keep in mind,
we went across country, and now we went from Oregon
to Washington, was together to Colorado Springs, and now we're
in Kansas and Iowa. Now it's it's almost like making
its way back towards the middle of the United States.
So and all these things are you know, nothing's like, Oh,

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it's on the East coast, and then two weeks later
it's on the West coast. They're all within reach of
each other, even back then with you know, lesser travel.
Two weeks later, in Mount Pleasant, Iowa, JB. Jordan left
the door for work and forgot to lock the door.
Twenty minutes later, his son heard his mom screaming from downstairs,
and he rushed down there to find her with a

(31:51):
massive head wound. She was covering in blood. She soon
went into like a little pat passed out on into
like a little deep sleep, and when she woke up,
she couldn't remember anything, but she was blind for the
rest of her life. So this is one case where
he actually came in there but didn't succeed and what
he was trying to do, but she was asleep when

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it happened. Very similar to those situations. No robbery, nothing
like that. Nineteen twelve. All right, now, let's get ahead.
In nineteen twelve, this is eight months later, he returns
to Kansas to Paola. A neighbor was concerned that a
young couple, twenty one year old Rowan Hudson and his
wife hadn't been seen for a while, so he went

(32:33):
to the house. Both murdered in bed. Screen had been cut,
nothing taken from the house. That same night, oddly enough,
a family woke up because a lamp kind of crashed
to the floor and a man was seen leaving the
house through the window. They obviously were very lucky because
the sheriff seems to think that the same man who
had murdered the couple were the same one was the

(32:55):
same one that was in the house, and by knocking
over a lamp it made him just go ahead and leave.
Figured he probably woke some people up.

Speaker 5 (33:01):
It's just hard to believe all these murders and nobody
has a clue about nothing. Yep, it makes no damn sense.

Speaker 3 (33:08):
So less than a week later, the killer returns to Iowa,
this time to Veliska. So now we get into the
famous Feliska murder House. June eleventh, nineteen twelve, Mary Peckham
went to check on a neighbor because they hadn't been
out doing their morning chores. As usual, most people kept
the doors and locked Back then, we already discussed that

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she turned the door to try to get in, but
it was locked, so she called a neighbor that actually
had a key. When they entered the house, they made
a very gruesome discovery. The entire war family had been
murdered Josiah forty three, Sarah thirty nine, daughter Catherine ten,
and three sons Herman eleven, Arthur seven, and Paul five,

(33:49):
plus two girls that were sleeping over Lena and Ena
Inna Marie Stalling eight and twelve years old, all of
them killed in the exact same way. Now, mister Moore
had received so many blows to his face that his
corpse was unrecognizable. His eyes were missing. The axe was

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swung so fiercely that there were gouges on the ceiling
from the upswing. Bloody axe was found downstairs where the
girls had been sleeping. One of the girls had apparently
woke up during the attack because a deep wound on
her arm from the trying to protect herself. The funny
thing about this part was every mirror in the house

(34:34):
was actually covered with clothing similar to the telephone. But
this was a new occurrence three eerily similar similar aspects
to the very first to forem murders. It's the same
as of Eliska house, so they were the ones in
Atlanta we talked about. Nothing was stolen. He spent time

(34:56):
in the house where he had he mixed hisself some
food once again in this case, and he had hidden
in the attic for some time in this deal. So
in the Bliska House he had also hidden in the attic.
So this is another case just like the first one.
It had happened so many years before.

Speaker 5 (35:13):
Well, I mean, why do you think he put I mean,
the stuff over the mirror.

Speaker 3 (35:18):
I don't know. People always have I guess thoughts that
mirrors can be gateways and stuff like that. So maybe
he just didn't want to see himself. I don't know,
cause I mean, if this is the same person, who
knows how his thought processes is going from years to
years and years with maybe guilt or what have you.

(35:40):
There's a ten year search after the Bliska House murders.
Nobody was ever found in this ten years to fit
the description. Now here is the funny thing about the
Bliska House. There's all kinds of talks of it being haunted.
You can actually go now and take tours at his house.
In two thousand and five, fifteen, a ghost hunter staying

(36:01):
in the house on an overnight deal. Stabbed hisself in
the chest at one am deliberately, and he says he
has no idea why he did it.

Speaker 5 (36:13):
That's pretty stupid.

Speaker 3 (36:17):
Nineteen fourteen, two years later, a family in Blue Allen, Illinois,
was found murdered in their bed. Jacob Missflick, his wife,
adult daughter, and grandbaby. Nothing was taken, nobody ever caught.
Nineteen eighteen to nineteen nineteen, several people were murdered with
an axe in and around New Orleans. This is the

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famous New Orleans axe man May of nineteen eighteen to
October of nineteen nineteen. Most were killed in their beds
after the killer had broke into their home at night.
Nothing of value was ever taken from any of the victims,
even when it was right there in plain sight. All

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blows from the axe were almost exclusively to the head
and to the neck, and the axe was always found nearby.
One new factor that appeared in this case, though, was
a letter that he actually sent to police in the newspaper.
I'm not going to read the whole letter, but this
is pretty messed up. Here is part of what he

(37:20):
says in a letter, and this may give you an
idea of his mindset. He starts it off with esteemed mortal.
They have never caught me, and never will. They have
never seen me, for I am invisible, even as the
ether that surrounds the earth. I am not a human being,
but a spirit and a demon from the hottest hell.

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I am what you Orleanians and your foolish police call
the axe man. When I see fit, I shall come
and claim other victims. I alone know who they shall be.
I shall leave no clues but my bloody acts, besmearred

(38:11):
with my blood and brains of whom I've sent below
to keep me company.

Speaker 5 (38:19):
Okay, that makes it even worse because if it was
an actual individual, he's going to die eventually, even if
you don't get caught. But now you're saying he's not
a human, he's a spirit that's doing this shit.

Speaker 3 (38:35):
That's what he says. That's at least his mentality.

Speaker 5 (38:38):
Well I hope it's not the case, because now I'm scared.
So you had to go do a dang story on.

Speaker 3 (38:44):
So here's how we're going to start tying all this
stuff together. New Orleans nineteen twenty two, obviously, you know,
was when it was a huge port city, Okay, it
always was still is huge port city, so a lot
of international shipping traffic. It's conceivable that the killer could

(39:04):
have jumped on a ship and went elsewhere at this
point because they stopped in the United States a couple
of years before that. Okay, but what we're going to
do real quick is we're going to take a quick
break and talk about the giveaways we got, and then
we're going to get into where all this ties together

(39:26):
and who we think the axe man is. Sure, So
let's do that. Let's talk about our winners for the
Hillbilly Horses Show giveaway. Our Facebook winners was Keenan Kedrick,
Andy Villanueva, and Monica Quinn.

Speaker 5 (39:47):
Congratulations, y'all.

Speaker 3 (39:48):
Yep, thank you guys for participating. It's fun when you
do that. And on Twitter, Siberius seven seven seven Susan
her Hers is actually life of a Dinosaur and I'm
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Speaker 5 (40:05):
Well, I think that is awesome that you are and
you just won, and that's amazing. It is amazing, that's wonderful.

Speaker 3 (40:11):
We're very happy. And I thought we'd throw in the
joke of the day here, just kind of lighting the
stuff up a little bit. So I was having trouble
with the website earlier today. So I called a friend
of mine that's an IT he's used to kind of
solving these little problems. Yeah, and he said, have you
disabled your cookies? And I said, well, I one time
bit the legs off of a gingerbread man.

Speaker 5 (40:33):
Oh gosh, lame, lame, you know it was funny.

Speaker 3 (40:39):
Now yah, sorry, Okay, so let's get back into this
this axe man deal. Here's where we're going to try
to make a connection and why we're making this connection now.
In the years leading up to the fore murder, which
was the very first one, okay, seven million German immigrants
came to him America. It doubled the population of German

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immigrants just in that couple year period. Is it possible
that somebody came in through Savannah, because that's where a
lot of these people were coming through the Savanna area.
Savannah is only a couple hour trip to Atlanta, Georgia.
Is it possible that an immigrant from Germany could have

(41:26):
came in through Savannah and then made their way to Atlanta,
make this first killing, and then just started making their
way across the country.

Speaker 5 (41:37):
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (41:39):
Well, if you think about it. A young German immigrant,
remember we said he could be in the twenties. A
young German immigrant could have come in, committed murders for
forty some odd years and then decided, Hey, I'm close
to retirement age. Not that you'd be retire from being
an axe murder something, but you're close to retirement age

(42:03):
and maybe you want to go back to your native
country of Germany. Why am I saying this? Why am
I just accusing Germans of this? Because four years after
the last murder in the United States in New Orleans,
there was a very castly murder in Germany that looks

(42:28):
very suspiciously like one of these. Okay, it matched almost
every single aspect of the murders that happened the United States.
So a German father by the name of Andrea Gruber.
He owned land in Bavaria, and he told his neighbor
one day that he had seen footprints in the snow
leading up to his house, but none leading back. It

(42:50):
was leading up from the woods. Oh yeah, he said.
He also heard footsteps in the attic like you were
asking earlier, and a set of his keys were missing.
He said. He searched all over the place, He couldn't
find anybody. He looked all through the house, he looked
in the outbuildings and stuff. He couldn't find anybody anywhere. Now,

(43:12):
several days later, on April fourth, nineteen twenty two, no
one had seen any of the family members. So the
neighbors had discovered went over and they said, hey, knowing
what he told us, and there was some mail and
stuff that was mailman had been branding mail and he
noticed that nobody was taking the mail. So the neighbors
decided to go in there, and what they found was
the two year old son and a maid had been

(43:35):
killed in their bed with a matic nomadic is an axe,
but it's got like a pick on one end and
an axe on the other, kind of like you would
see fireman cheese.

Speaker 5 (43:42):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (43:44):
So anyway, they so they find this maid killed and
the kid and the bodies of the rest of the family,
Mister and Missus Skruber, a thirty five year old daughter
named Victoria, and their seven year old granddaughter were all
found in a nearby barn where they had been lured
one by one and slaughtered. Now, autopsy revealed that the
seven year old probably survived for several hours next to

(44:07):
the mangled bodies of her family. Large chunks of her
hair had been missing from her scalp where she actually
pulled it out herself. As with all the murders in
the US, all the bodies had been covered up with
sheets or straw. The problem wasn't obviously robbery, or you know,

(44:32):
the motive wasn't robbery, because nothing was taken, and there
was a large sum of money right there in the
living room suit or in the living room that could
have been taken. The killer didn't leave immediately because he
actually had some meals, and some neighbors had actually seen
smoke coming from the chimney a day after the family
had supposedly been killed based on the autopsy, so he

(44:56):
had started fires and actually set in there eight and
everything else. The killer obviously was well skilled with an axe,
because the blows were so precise and delivered with such confidence.
According to police, over one hundred people were interviewed, but
no one was ever arrested due to a lack of evidence.

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The heads of the victims were sent to Munich for evidence,
but were somehow lost. How do you lose heads? How
do you lose seven heads?

Speaker 5 (45:25):
Police got rid of the evidence.

Speaker 3 (45:28):
The headless bodies were buried. The maid sadly enough, that
used to work there. She had quit six months before
because she said she thought the place was haunted. She
leaves this lady, the new maid that was killed. This
was her I think, first down on a job. Oh nice, Yeah,
it was her first, her first sleepover. And the farmhouse
was torn down a year later, and there's now a

(45:50):
memorial that stands there, in memorial to the family. I
told you this thing would be tying in because this
was the last murder that we got reck But this
murder in Germany was almost exactly the same as the
very first murder where he hung out in an attic
and then killed everybody in their beds, covered them up,

(46:15):
and then stayed around and ate food and stuff. So
it does not seem similar, even though that was forty
three years earlier. Doesn't that seem very similar that that
could be the same person who had committed all these murders.
If that's the case, sixty one people are all tied
to the cases we just talked about. The sad thing

(46:36):
is is there's probably more, because here are some cases
that we didn't even didn't get connected just because of
lack of time. Nineteen eleven, Rained, Louisiana, mother and four
children all killed while they slept. February the same year,
in Crowley, Louisiana, the buyer's family was completely killed. A

(46:56):
few weeks later in Lafayette, Louisiana, five members of the
Andrews family were killed. In April five members of the
Gasaway family. November twenty sixth of nineteen eleven, five members
of the Norbert and Randall family were all killed while
they slept. January ninth of nineteen twelve, all five members
of the Warren family in Crowley, Louisiana. January twenty first,

(47:19):
Lake Charles, Louisiana, five men of the Felix our five
members of the Felix Brusard family, and that same month
in six members of the Wexford family were killed. April eleventh,
nineteen twelve in San Antonio, Texas, five members of the
William Burton family. April thirteenth, nineteen twelve, three killings in Hempstead, Texas.

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August sixth of nineteen twelve, several more murders in San Antonio,
and November seventeen, nineteen seventeen, three members of the Aller
family in Virginia, Minnesota was killed. And here's where all
this ties in. There was a note f under the
table of that one, but it was written in German
h and that was November of nineteen seventeen, which was

(48:08):
five years before the murder in Germany. So that is
why I say that I think all of these have
to be connected in one way, shape or form. There
can't be that many people just were around killing people
with access for no reason and eating in their house.
And with the German letter there, and in the murder
in Germany, it just seems to all tied that it

(48:29):
was probably a German immigrant that came over, did all
this and left and went back.

Speaker 2 (48:33):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (48:34):
He's mean and ugly and rude apparently.

Speaker 3 (48:39):
So what do you think. Does that sound to you
like it could be the same person.

Speaker 5 (48:42):
Oh kind of sounds like it. You sure did a
lot of traveling on his journey.

Speaker 3 (48:47):
Yeah, well he had forty three years to do it.

Speaker 5 (48:48):
Yeah, and he sucks.

Speaker 3 (48:52):
Let's get into our interview with brief that we had
from Tennessee Horror News and Promotions, and I think you'll
enjoy this all right, Welcome back, everybody. I have a
special guest with me. This young lady. I've had the
pleasure of knowing three or four months now, and trust
me when I tell you, nobody is into horror like

(49:14):
this young lady. Nobody. She is more fascinated with horror
than I think Linda Blair is. So that says a lot.
With me on the phone right now from Tennessee Horror
News and Promotions. I have the lovely Brie, and most
of you, if you're on Twitter, you know her is embombised.
She's all over PlayStation and playing the games and stuff,

(49:37):
undre on the live feeds and stuff. So I'm sure
most of you know where. She's got about almost five
thousand followers on there. So welcome to the phone, Brie.
How are you doing today, de Brie?

Speaker 6 (49:45):
Thank you so much for having me on. I'm really
happy to be here and I'm doing very very well good.

Speaker 3 (49:50):
I've been trying to get you on forever, but you
keep shunning me. So you have a business, you know,
but you were constantly out doing something for Tennessee News
and Promotions. Why don't you tell me a little bit
about about that group and tell me what you do
for them primarily?

Speaker 2 (50:11):
All righty, Tennessee Horror News and promotions. We have been
around since April thirteenth of twenty fourteen. And the two
men that actually started at Jim jam and Johnny Leroy,
they approached me on Twitter one day. I had been
on there talking about horror stuff and all that, and

(50:31):
I'm in the Nashville area, Nashville, Tennessee, and they asked me,
you know, how would you feel about joining the team
and writing horror movie reviews? And it just kind of
branched out from there, and I've been with them for
a little bit over a year now and.

Speaker 6 (50:46):
I absolutely love it. I cover all kinds of stuff now.

Speaker 2 (50:49):
Like I said, I started with the horror movie reviews
and then I actually branched off into horror conventions and
also do Haunted attraction reviews as well.

Speaker 3 (50:59):
How many conventions would you say you probably do a year?

Speaker 2 (51:02):
Uh?

Speaker 6 (51:03):
This year? Let me stay here.

Speaker 2 (51:04):
I have to sit here and count. My first one
this year was in January. It was hont Kong down
here in Nashville.

Speaker 6 (51:10):
And that was so amazing.

Speaker 2 (51:11):
We got to actually go to a lot of the
Hunted attractions that opened up down here, which we know,
you know, the majority of all of them here. We're
all pretty close and that was great. And let me
see two, I think I'll have gone to.

Speaker 3 (51:27):
Four this year, and you're getting ready to be at Scarefest,
which is why I'm having you on the main reason
of the timing is what it is. In two weeks
we got scare fust Fest in Lexington and you're gonna
be there with us.

Speaker 6 (51:38):
Yes, I sure am. I cannot wait. Actually, I tell
you what I see. When was it last month?

Speaker 2 (51:45):
I was there working with trauma at the Days of
the Dead Indianapolis one.

Speaker 6 (51:50):
That was the last one I was at.

Speaker 2 (51:52):
And I was just thinking about Linda Blair when you
were talking about her earlier. She's the only one, out
of any horriflick that I'd ever watched my entire life
that can just terrify the heck out of me. And
I am so proud that she's not going to be
scared fast. She was at the last one I worked
for and I was terrified. I was scared to even
go down that area.

Speaker 6 (52:09):
It was horrible.

Speaker 3 (52:11):
Yeah, they were in Louisville, I think the first weekend
of September, and I wanted to get down there and
couldn't get down there. But of course we got you know,
the King of Kings. Well you won't agree with that,
but Freddy Krueger Robert England to be with us.

Speaker 2 (52:27):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (52:27):
Of course, anybody who follows you knows that you are
a complete Michael Myers freak. So there is no replacement
in the slasher films other than Michael Myers as far
as you're concerned.

Speaker 2 (52:38):
That's right, people, It's a running joke on Twitter and
on Instagram, and especially like people around the area that
now me for the horror events and stuff that was
come up to me and they're like, hey, where's your
boyfriend Michael Myers? Or if I'm in a haunted attraction,
they'll say, hey, I just saw your boyfriend in there.

Speaker 3 (52:56):
Now, for those of you who aren't familiar with Bree,
some of the stuff that she has. You actually have
a signed mask, correct. Yes, she also has a knife,
a butcher knife that she just purchased that has like
a lasered picture of Michael Myers on the blade.

Speaker 6 (53:14):
I sure do.

Speaker 2 (53:15):
We're uh with Tennessee Horn News. I'm getting ready to
do those monthly subscription unboxings on the YouTube channel.

Speaker 3 (53:24):
Oh yeah, the one.

Speaker 2 (53:25):
Yeah, and I got that for that because everybody seems
like every time I see one of those unboxing channels,
they always have a special little little knife, you butcher
knife whatever that they open it with.

Speaker 6 (53:36):
And I thought, what better than to.

Speaker 2 (53:39):
Buy something, especially off of a friend of mine that's
on Twitter that makes this kind of stuff. And I
saw the Michael Myers one and I just thought, you know,
it was less than eight dollars on Etsy, and I
had to jump on that.

Speaker 3 (53:49):
Let's see over under on Michael Myers t shirts that
you have, I'm placing at at about thirty seven.

Speaker 6 (53:56):
You know. Unfortunately I don't have as many as I
wish I did.

Speaker 2 (54:01):
I think I had more Tennessee Corner shirts, which kind
of makes sense, really.

Speaker 3 (54:05):
I think I have.

Speaker 6 (54:06):
I think I have about five or six Mike Myers shirts,
which is pretty sad. Actually. You think i'd be wearing
more of my boyfriend, you know.

Speaker 3 (54:13):
You would think, you know what, I've been super excited
about meeting you in person because we've not met in person,
and we just we rented tables right next to each
other for scarefests, and then just found out last night
that they are moving us to a booth. So after
three or four months of thinking we're gonna be side
by side during this thing. We're actually going to be

(54:35):
now separated by quite a little bit from where your
table's gonna be to where others our booth is. But
you know, it's it's a good opportunity for us. And
like you said, you know, you're used to going to
these things, so you got so many friends at these functions.
We don't know anybody, so it'd be unique for us,
but the same old, same old for you.

Speaker 2 (54:54):
Oh yeah, I've actually never been to the scare Fest,
so I'm really really really excited.

Speaker 6 (55:00):
Go to this one. This is one that I've never
checked out before.

Speaker 2 (55:03):
And this year, I believe they are saying that they're
celebrating ten years of terror, so it should be pretty
awesome too.

Speaker 3 (55:09):
Yeah, it's it's It's got a lot of people there,
and Tracy Lords is going to be there, which, oddly enough,
we had just watched her on Celebrity Wife Swap this
morning and I didn't I didn't even realize she was
going to be there, And then I looked after the
fact and I was like, I can't believe that we
just watched her this morning and she's actually going to
be there, So it's pretty cool.

Speaker 2 (55:28):
Yeah, I'm excited to see oh, so many people actually,
but I would say my top ones will be obviously
Robert England, the man, Freddy Krueger himself, Caine hadd When
I worked the Days of the Dead Indie, he was
staying a couple of hotel rooms down for me, and
I had no idea until that Saturday morning I went

(55:50):
to go catch my elevator to go downstairs to work,
and he caught the elevator with me, and so did
Ken Fory, which was pretty cool.

Speaker 6 (55:59):
Can you to see him?

Speaker 2 (56:00):
That's neat?

Speaker 3 (56:00):
Yeah, Cane's there every year almost. I think he's been
there at least the last three or four years that
I've went. He's a regular staple there. Yeah, it's just
there's a plethora of people going to be there that
just the Ghost Brothers are going to be there. I'm
kind of excited about that Chip Coffee. You'll be there.
He's at most of those things. But yeah, I'm excited
about it. Now. One of the reasons that I wanted

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to bring you on is not just to talk about
scarefest stuff. You actually are familiar with a couple of
topics that I'm not real familiar with, and I thought
it would be nice for you to share some of
your insight on a couple of topics. First of all,
you do readings, not a professional by any means, but
you're pretty well versed in doing readings for Terra cards

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and for Oedi boards. So you don't see anything wrong
with either one of those things, correct, you know?

Speaker 2 (56:50):
Honestly I don't. I see them as a divination tool.
I don't see them as negative things. They are what
you make them.

Speaker 3 (56:56):
I feel like a lot of people are just terrified
of them, and and me being one of them. Not
so much with the tarot readings, but with the wija boards,
I have not had good experiences and I basically won't
go around one. That's just my personal take on it.
And but the but the card readings are different. I've

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got a young lady friend of mine, she actually does
some of this. Here's my question for you on that,
and then I'll actually let you tell tell me what
really happens in these readings. But I was always curious,
at least with a wige aboard. If you're going to
do a reading on a wija board, it can go
in every different direction. You never really know where that

(57:38):
oracle can go. But with cards, I mean, the cards
are already when you pick those cards up, they're already
in a certain placement in your hand. So I was
always curious about how as you're flipping the cards over,
how does that tell anything about the other person when
they're already in a certain order as soon as you
pick them up. Does that make sense?

Speaker 6 (57:59):
Well, that makes completely sense. And that makes complete sense.

Speaker 2 (58:03):
When I do my tarot, I I shuffle my cards
for each individual person before I give the reading. And
I you know another thing too, I always ask like
one specific question, you know, what are you what are
you seeking knowledge of? Because with tarot, taro and wija
they do two different things. Taro, you communicate with your

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higher self, your intuition, your such a conscious mind, some
conscious mind, your soul, you know, like you look in inwards.
As wija, it's complete opposite. You're looking outwards. You're not
using inner self and things like that. You are actually
trying to talk to spirits outside as far as you know.

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I mean, you could be communicating with you know, and
say you're doing it in your house. You be communicating
with a spirit that died on the property years ago.
You know, I'm as far as tarot, you could concentrate
uh and speak with ancestors of yours, spirit guides I called.

Speaker 6 (59:02):
Them, and other elemental beings and things like that to
give you knowledge.

Speaker 3 (59:06):
Okay, So on the on the card readings, it's pretty
much going to be someone or something connected with you already, yes.

Speaker 6 (59:15):
Okay, typically yes, it's more outside.

Speaker 3 (59:19):
So do you have a preference when you're trying to
give somebody a reading or is it really based on
the individual and the instance that you're dealing with?

Speaker 6 (59:28):
You know, honestly, I prefer Tarot I do Terror typically from.

Speaker 2 (59:34):
What I've experienced, is going to be a more positive experience, which.

Speaker 6 (59:39):
With both you always you always set your clear intention
before you do anything with either one of them.

Speaker 2 (59:46):
That with terror, like I said, it's it's more of
your higher self or subconscious and things like that, and
that's that's easier to pull information and specific specific meanings
and such for other people when you do taro.

Speaker 3 (59:59):
Can you mentioned uh a more positive experience with the cards?
What would what would? What do you think The reason
for that is?

Speaker 2 (01:00:07):
Well, like I said, with cards, I mean you could
be uh, primarily what I speak with on that would
be with spirit GUIDs, and like I said, the spirit
guides I consider like ancestors and such of that nature.
It's much much much more easier to pick up a
negative entity, a demonic energy, things like that with a

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Wija board than it is with your actual tarot cards.

Speaker 3 (01:00:33):
What about to keep things like that? Do you have
some some safety measures? Some does and some don'ts for
for either one of those or for both?

Speaker 2 (01:00:40):
Yeah, actually I have for both. With wija, you have
to be very specific of your intent.

Speaker 6 (01:00:46):
Before you start. There are many many things that you
really really need to follow.

Speaker 2 (01:00:52):
As far as opening your board. Before you start, you
need to make it clear, like I said, ask for
protection uh from your ancestors or you know, God, whoever
you call on. You also need to make it very
clear that you're wishing to speak with only positive people,
positive energies, none of the negative. And another tip would

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be with closing the session.

Speaker 6 (01:01:16):
It's so important with wija, very very important.

Speaker 2 (01:01:20):
You always thank the spirits for their messages and verbally
announce that you're closing the session and move the planchet
that you're using with your fingers to.

Speaker 6 (01:01:29):
Goodbye on the board.

Speaker 2 (01:01:30):
You always do that you want to close that board
because if you don't, there could have been other entities,
other energies, negatives precisely, that could have been sitting in
that room, watching but not saying a word. And if
you do not close that board out, they have the
opportunity to come through and mess with you actually physically
in your life. You know.

Speaker 3 (01:01:50):
So I'm gonna ask you a question, And this is
going to sound like I'm poking fun, but I'm really not.
It's just something I think a lot of people might
be thinking. You know, I understand the whole point of
closing the board out, but it just seems kind of
odd that just because I can take the plan chet
push it to goodbye, that that just automatically eliminates anybody,
any of those spirits from coming through if they were

(01:02:10):
there in the room. It just seems like, you know
what I'm saying, It almost seems like, well, how in
the world is just closing the board keep them from
make them powerless? Basically, right?

Speaker 2 (01:02:19):
And I understand that, you know, honestly, Weija is the
one compared to Taro, between the two of them, Weita
is the one that you have to be really really
careful with and unless you really really know what you're doing.
You never ever do it alone, and you always make
sure you have other people with you unless you're very
experienced because of things like this. You know, it's all
about intent. It's all about your intentions. If you have

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the intent for good, good will come through. If you
have intent for bad, bad will come through. And a
lot of people ask that, you know, when you close
the board down, how do I know that it's closed?
You have to trust on your intent, and you know,
just as as serious as your intent is, then keep
those types of spirits away.

Speaker 6 (01:03:02):
As far as that.

Speaker 3 (01:03:03):
Goes, Yeah, go Ageah, So what about what the cards?
Is there any dos and don'ts about as far as
somebody wanting to get into this being new to doing readings.

Speaker 2 (01:03:14):
Yeah, I have all kinds of information on that for
anybody that really is interested in that kind of stuff.
The biggest one that I can give anyone is start
with your number one universal deck that most pretty much
anyone goes to. It's pretty universal and it's called the.

Speaker 6 (01:03:34):
Writer Weight deck. And a lot of other decks they branch.

Speaker 2 (01:03:38):
Off from there with different artwork, but they all pretty.

Speaker 6 (01:03:41):
Much remain the same. Typically a deck is seventy eight cards.

Speaker 2 (01:03:44):
You have twenty two major arcana and you have fifty
six minor arcanna. The major arcana they represent different suits
of sort. The minor arcana, you have four suits of
fourteen cards each ten number and four cards like King, Queen,
Knight Page which is also the jack, your four main

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suits or swords, wands, cuffs, and pinnacles, which are also
known as the coins. I'm let me saying what else? Oh,
when you're starting with that universal deck, study each card,
study like a card or two a day, write down
in a journal. It could be just a simple notebook
that you could write down notes in.

Speaker 6 (01:04:24):
Write down your thoughts on each card.

Speaker 2 (01:04:26):
And then after you do that, after looking at the
symbols and what you think that that card means as
far as reading thesembols on that card, and you write
that down in your book, look up the meaning of
that card. You go on Google if you have to
use a book that maybe you brought, and relate it
to what you saw on that card. And because you
do those two things together like that, it's gonna make

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it easier for you to remember what they mean to you.
And the biggest one on top of that is to
trust yourself intuition is everything's terror.

Speaker 6 (01:04:57):
It is everything that gets you get it.

Speaker 2 (01:05:00):
Times when you look at something on a card and
you look at that person that you're reading for, even
if you're just pulling a card to read for your day,
think about what that means to you and how that
relates to that card. And the more you do that,
the more you'll learn.

Speaker 3 (01:05:12):
That's pretty cool. I've always been weary of them because
one time I had a deck and I played solitaire
with it and I caused two earthquakes, a hurricane, and
plague locus. So, oh my word, I just decided that
it's probably.

Speaker 4 (01:05:25):
Not for me.

Speaker 6 (01:05:26):
Boy, I'm telling you what. Man, you really did some
numbers on stuff.

Speaker 2 (01:05:32):
Brie.

Speaker 3 (01:05:32):
It's been a blast having you on. It took it
took me months of prying to get you to come
on because you are a very private person and I
appreciate you giving this some time.

Speaker 2 (01:05:42):
Absolutely, I've really enjoyed the talk tonight. You know, it's
been great, and I really thank you so much for
having me on the show.

Speaker 6 (01:05:49):
It's been great.

Speaker 3 (01:05:50):
It's no problem. We love having you on. I'm looking
forward to seeing you in a couple of weeks.

Speaker 6 (01:05:54):
Yes, sir, thank you so much.

Speaker 3 (01:05:56):
All right, baby, we'll talk to you soon.

Speaker 6 (01:05:57):
All right, bye, all right.

Speaker 3 (01:06:00):
As you heard in the interview, we originally had had
got tables next to each other, Brie and Tracy and I,
and we're gonna do this the whole Scarefest thing together.
And we actually got a bump up because the promoters
of scare Fact actually contacted us and asked told us
they wanted to move us into a way more expensive,

(01:06:23):
but way more prominent booth rather than just a table.
So I thought that was really cool with them, and
so we won't be right next to each other as
we originally planned three or four months ago when we
set this up, but we are very happy to be
in booth ninety seven. So if you guys are gonna
come to Scarefest, that's where we're at, Booth ninety seven.

Speaker 5 (01:06:39):
Yeah, you guys, come and see us.

Speaker 3 (01:06:43):
Let's talk about real quick. I have I want just
a reminder because we get asked and I keep forgetting
to mention this. I'm not a very good salesperson apparently.
But if you want to buy t shirts, they are
on our website hill Billy Horror Stories dot com. We've
got all kinds of different colors and options available to you.

(01:07:03):
We switched a while back to nothing but our logo,
so that's I think that's just a little better way
to go, a little less options, but a better option.
So go to our website if you want to get that.
And that's also where you can sign up for Patreon,
because I keep forgetting to post that too.

Speaker 5 (01:07:17):
Yeah sounds great, babe.

Speaker 3 (01:07:20):
Your enthusiasm is over the top, I know, probably because
you're excited about us doing our twisted thoughts of the night.
I don't understand. So let's do the twist at thought
of the night. In February nineteen twenty three, a jockey
by the name of Frank Hayes he suffered a fatal

(01:07:42):
heart attack while he was riding Sweet Kiss at the
Belmont Park. That's where the famous Belmont raceist.

Speaker 5 (01:07:48):
Oh okay, well that's that.

Speaker 3 (01:07:50):
The horse was twenty to one underdog. But even though
he had the heart attack and died, he was able
to stay on the horse long enough for the past
or across the finish line, thus being the only jockey
ever to win a race after he died.

Speaker 6 (01:08:06):
Is that true?

Speaker 3 (01:08:06):
Well, yes, it's true. Well'd I tell you if it
wasn't true?

Speaker 5 (01:08:09):
Oh my gosh. I'm surprised though about that. Somebody probably said, no,
that's not fair that you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (01:08:17):
I mean, I would think, but that's pretty cool. I
think the rule has to be that it has to
have a jockey on it when it crosses.

Speaker 5 (01:08:22):
And it had a jockey on it, Oh wow, that's
really sick.

Speaker 3 (01:08:25):
You should be changed yourself with the other jockey. You
can't even beat a horse when the jockey's dead. Yeah,
if that don't prove you don't have to beat the
hell out the horse to win a race. Or then again,
he could have just been flopping up and down.

Speaker 5 (01:08:36):
All that's true.

Speaker 3 (01:08:37):
I need this damn thing on my back.

Speaker 5 (01:08:40):
Well that's really sad, but pretty cool at the same time.

Speaker 3 (01:08:43):
All right, we're not gonna wake you, make you wait anymore.

Speaker 5 (01:08:46):
Yes you are.

Speaker 3 (01:08:47):
No, it's time the latest fish for my soul, the
latest installment my god of Tracy raps. We'll see you
guys next week. Maybe you will one of the best,
and you've got the best, the hottest empcen in the town.

Speaker 5 (01:09:03):
Trees. E woke up quick at about noon, just thought
I had to be and camped and soon I got
getting drunk for the night begins before my mother starts
pitching about my friends about to go and damn near
went flying young players at the path, throwing up gang
signs renting the house and grabbed my cliff with the

(01:09:25):
mac ten on the side of my hip, filled outside
and pointed my weapon. Just as I thought, the phillis
kept on stepping, jumped in the floor, hit the juice
on my side. I got front and back and side
to side. Then I let the Alpine play bumping new shit.
M lou a, it was gangster, gangster at the top

(01:09:45):
of my list. Then I played my own shit. I
went something like this, cruising down the street in my
sixty four, jacking up bitches and slapping the holes. Went
to the park to get the scoop knuckleheads out there,
koschhoot some who the car pulls up and who can
it be? A fresh shell comino rolling kaya. He rolled

(01:10:06):
down his window and started to say, it's all about
making that g t a