2053 McKamey Manor and the Manila Film House

Tracy and Jerry talk to McKamey Manor owner Russ McKamey and his most famous participant Christina Buster who is the oldest participant to ever go through. They also discus the Manila Film House where several construction workers were buried in the foundation.

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:01):
Hellohibilation, How the heck are you? How was your Thanksgiving?
Did you enjoy your family friends? Did you enjoy all
that food? Oh? All that food? I do believe we'll
all be crashed diding for the next two years. My Lord,

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mine wasn't too bad, to my surprise, I only got
called out to one job on Thanksgiving Day and that
was towards the end, so I was able to head
to my son's house and enjoy Thanksgiving with my son,
his wife, my three grandchildren, and the rest of the

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family and my wife. It was wonderful. It was great,
and I really enjoyed it. I for one, was very
thankful to have time with my family this year, because
that does mount normally happen with my job. Tracy, we
love you, girl. I hope you had a great Thanksgiving.

(01:07):
I know you were surrounded by family, and I really, really,
really hope and pray you had a great Thanksgiving Day.
I don't really have much to cover this week, so
we're going to get right into it. This week's episode
is a good one. Jerry and Tracy talked to the

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mccammie Manor owner Russ mccamby about his most famous participant
Christina Buster, who is the oldest participant to ever go through.
They also discussed the Manila Film House where several construction
workers were buried in the foundation. This should be quite

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the interesting episode, so kickback, enjoy losing that belt just
a little bit more. If you're not already wearing sweatpants,
recover from Black Friday, close your eyes.

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And enjoy.

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All right, welcome everybody to episode fifty nine of H'll
Billy Horror Stories. We are excited to give you a
show we got. My name is Jerry, of course, I'm
joined as usual by my lovely wife Tracy.

Speaker 4 (03:26):
Hello out there, my peeps.

Speaker 2 (03:29):
This has the potential to be a show that people
listen to that normally wouldn't listen. And the reason I
say that is it's gonna be a little bit different.
And I will start off by saying, we have redone
this show. We recorded this the other day and then
I decided that it was too different from what we
usually do, so we went decided to come back, re

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record and go back to the basics. So what you
guys are going to get tonight is a typical story
like we normally do. But then what we're gonna do
is what I'm most excited about, is I've been posting
videos all week long of mccameie manor most of you
know about McCamey or have heard of it in some sort.
It's the extreme hunted house that was out in San

(04:12):
Diego forever, and there's videos plastered all over the place.
There's all kinds of controversy because people saying it's legal
torture and a bunch of people saying they were hurt there.
You have to sign a forty page waiver, all kinds
of stuff going on to them. We're going to get
into that more detail later. But the owner of mccamee,

(04:34):
manor Russ McCamey, has agreed to come on the show
and give me an interview, and we've got about an
hour and ten minute long interview of him explaining hisself completely,
and I asked him some hard questions. I mean, I'm
gonna be honest with you, this wouldn't a love fest,
which I am a big fan of the guy, so
I'm not gonna lie about that. But I did ask
him the questions that I think most of you would

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want to know. So I think that's gonna be fun
for you guys now to counter that. If you've watched
some of the videos, there was a young lady by
named of Christina Buster, and she has at the time,
she was the oldest contestant to ever go through mccamee.
She had been through the most of anybody at three times,
and had flown nineteen hours from Kuwait where she was

(05:18):
working not in the military, but like a contractor over
there for the government, and she flew nineteen hours from
Kuwait over to do this. That's how big she was
into it. And she's kind of the most famous of
all the contestants. So there's a bunch of videos of
her out there. I got an interview with her, so
you can see both sides. What is it like from

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somebody what goes through their mind to want to go
through one of these places that's so intense that they
can't make it through. And that's the deal with mccamee.
It's been around for since nineteen eighty nine. Nobody has
ever made it through. Think about that.

Speaker 4 (05:53):
Yeah, that's crazy.

Speaker 2 (05:54):
At one time they had a waiting list of twenty
seven thousand people trying to get into this. So yeah,
I think you guys are going to find this fascinating.
And originally that's all we were going to do. We
were going to talk about it for a few minutes
like we did now and then just do that. But
the more we thought about it, we want to keep
the show as close to original as possible, so we
decided to give you a cool ass story in the beginning,

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which we will get into a second, but first and foremost,
as always, thanks to all of our military and civil
servants all over the world. And of course, just like
it seems like every week something else has come up
that needs special thoughts and prayers, and this week it's
the earthquake in Mexico.

Speaker 4 (06:32):
Yeah, this Mother Nature needs to quit tripping or something
needs to happen because we've had enough of it.

Speaker 2 (06:38):
Yeah, we didn't eve think we were going to be
doing this show because opposedly the End of the World
was supposed to be the twenty third or whatever it
was last night at eight o'clock and that didn't happen.

Speaker 4 (06:47):
So yeah, I'm glad that didn't happen because we would
have been mad. We were trying to watch the Florida
Kentucky game well.

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Seeing how it ended.

Speaker 4 (06:54):
Yeah, it was kind of the end of the world
for us.

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But we wanted recognize our iTunes subscribers, or not subscribers,
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Speaker 2 (08:55):
So the story that I want to get into this
is something that I kind of stumbled across. It's an
awesome story. I had never heard of it, and there's
not a whole lot of information out there, so it
took a lot of digging to get the little bit
that I actually have. But I think most of you

(09:15):
are going to really like this story. So and I
know a lot of you really like the stories that
nobody's ever heard of so this will be a trick
for everybody. Good and Tracy, I know you've.

Speaker 4 (09:24):
Never heard of it, never, not even a little bit.

Speaker 2 (09:26):
Even most of the ones that I could say bigfit
you probably hadn't heard of it.

Speaker 4 (09:29):
I have heard of that, but unlike that, I didn't
know I was going to do a different show tonight either.
So see, keep it on track. I ain't messing up,
all right.

Speaker 2 (09:37):
So here's what we got. We're going to tell you
about the Manila Film House. Now, this obviously is in
the Manila, Manila, in the Philippines, Okay, And this goes
back to nineteen eighty one. Amelda Marcos, who was the
president at the time. This was his wife, and she

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was kind of known. If some of you will know,
if you're enough, the younger ones won't, but she was
blasted at one point time because the Philippines back in
the day, they were almost ran kind of like Cuba.
Its kind of like a communist type situation where Marcos
was the president. Him and his wife were kind of
like dictators more or less, and they just were known

(10:19):
for their lavish lifestyle where everybody underneath them just kind
of suffered and she was. There was a big story
that came out with her, and I want to say
it's probably twenty years now, about her shoe collection. She
had so many shoes. So many people in her country
were port and starving and nothing, and she had this
shoe collection that was just like out of this world.
So this is where this is really going to come

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in to her attitude and her cockiness. Will say. In
nineteen eighty one, a Melta Marcos decided that she wanted
to have a state of the art theater to have
a film festival. She wanted to you always hear about
the Cannes Film Festival to one invents. She wanted something
that would rival that. So that was her big deal.
So she gave a budget of twenty five million dollars

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to build this huge ass Parthenon type, you know the
Parthenon over in ancient Greece and all that. She wanted
to build something similar looking to that that they could
hold these events in twenty five million dollars was the budget.
The problem was she gave a very unrealistic deadline of
having this thing done in a year. Oh gosh, and
that's not just that's not the construction that is the planning,

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the getting everything laid out, the way it was setting
up the film festival. So she sets this film festival
to be in January of the next year.

Speaker 4 (11:36):
Oh my gosh.

Speaker 2 (11:38):
When it opened in nineteen eighty two, stars such as Brookshields,
who was huge at the time, Jeremy Irons, you had,
Robert Duval and George Hamilton were all there on the
red carpet. The red carpet was on still slightly wet cement.
That's how close. That's how close this was to barely

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beating the deadline. But there was more under the red
carpet than wet cement. Oh oh, and that's what this
story is going to be based off of the tight
construction deadline, which obviously January nineteen eighty two was just
starting construction date had just started construction like three months
before that. Wait, what three months? It took three months

(12:23):
from starting to finish a building the project, So it
took seven months or nine months to do all the
planning and getting everything together.

Speaker 4 (12:30):
That is insane.

Speaker 2 (12:31):
Well, here's the deal. To get it done in that time,
it required four thousand workers working twenty four hours a
day on three shifts. Now normally it would take about
six weeks to complete the lobby. A thousand workers did
it in three days.

Speaker 4 (12:49):
Dang, that's very impressive.

Speaker 2 (12:52):
Witnesses said it was like watching a building full of cats.
It was rush, rush, rush, all over the place. That
had to be open obviously for that grand opening, because
Ameloda wasn't going to change the date, and she'd already
set the date a year in advance, and it wasn't
you know, she wasn't about to change it. Once again,
this is her cockiness in her act. At three o'clock

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in the morning on November seventeenth, nineteen eighty one, two
months before it was scheduled to open, tragedy struck.

Speaker 4 (13:19):
Oh how many months?

Speaker 2 (13:21):
Two months open, So they've only been working on us
for about a month at that time.

Speaker 4 (13:25):
Oh okay.

Speaker 2 (13:26):
A scaffolding collapsed with approximately one hundred and sixty nine workers.
They fell into freshly poured quick drying cement. No, some
completely drowned. Oh my lord, some were half buried.

Speaker 4 (13:40):
But were they dead?

Speaker 2 (13:43):
I'm sorry, I'm getting to it.

Speaker 4 (13:44):
I'm sorry, Mabel.

Speaker 2 (13:46):
The quick dry cement was supposed to be put out
like a layer, like a thin layer. Let it dry
another layer. That's how it's supposed to be done. It's
layered by layer, but because of the rush they were in,
they poured it full all the way at once.

Speaker 4 (14:01):
Okay, well that's dumb because it's never gonna get dry.

Speaker 2 (14:03):
Well that's the whole point. And it did get dry,
but just had people in it when it did. So
melgam Marco's took them. She took all these measures to
keep the press away when this happened. Once again, this
is how she done stuff. There were no official rescue
teams even allowed on the site until nine hours after
the incident. Think about that?

Speaker 4 (14:22):
What is wrong with her?

Speaker 2 (14:23):
They just had regular people in there. They went and
got put in a request to get some jackhammers. Jackhammers,
so think about what they were having to do. Oh no,
they were gonna have to jackhammer people out of the
cement because they were already dried in. They said that
by the time the emergency crews left or were let in,

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the concrete had already hardened.

Speaker 4 (14:45):
So there was one hundred and sixty something people in.

Speaker 2 (14:48):
Sixty some people, not all of them but the scaffold.
He had one hundred and sixty some people that actually fell,
not all of them.

Speaker 4 (14:54):
Were stuck into why that's horrible.

Speaker 2 (14:58):
And on one of the young ladies who was actually
we'll talk about in hearing just a little bit. She
said that she could actually see one of the guys
that was half sticking out and he was like basically
in a state of shock as to what were what.

Speaker 4 (15:13):
Would happen, and so they just left him there and
he died too.

Speaker 2 (15:17):
Well, so what happened what happened to the ones that
were half stuck out of the concrete? Mila Horne, who
is marketing head of the Mandela International Film Festival, said
that the people that were sticking out of the concrete,
they just cut off what was sticking out. They then

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poured over the top of anyone who was buried in
the concrete.

Speaker 4 (15:44):
God, you're kidding me.

Speaker 2 (15:46):
The Mari Ann who was actually an usher when this
thing opened up, she said that the story out there
was there were construction construction workers that were still alive,
still alive when they poured this concrete, but because they
weren't rescued, because they were already behind and it was
crunch time, so was the guys.

Speaker 4 (16:06):
They weren't still wild when they'd cut the rest of.

Speaker 2 (16:08):
Them off or I don't know, I'm just telling you
what she said. So they didn't have time to rescue anybody,
so they just poured concrete over top of them.

Speaker 4 (16:16):
Evil beyond the time. That is so terrible.

Speaker 2 (16:20):
She said that she would be backstage and the walls
had cracks in them, and you could smell a stench,
oh my gosh, coming from the cracks. She said that,
like they wore these uniforms that were really thin satin. Yeah,
and she said the smell from inside there would actually
get on the shirts and you could feel like a
strange breeze blow even though there was no kind of

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wind or anything in the place.

Speaker 4 (16:42):
Well, we need to we need to put her in
a damn seaman.

Speaker 2 (16:45):
She's dead. So she's been dead for a while.

Speaker 4 (16:48):
Well, somebody needed to do that.

Speaker 2 (16:49):
Back then, their husband was Ferdinand Marcos, who was the
actual president, but she was just the wife. So it's
kind of like, you know, the first Lady or something.

Speaker 4 (16:58):
That's the most horrible story.

Speaker 2 (17:00):
Where even more horrible than no, not.

Speaker 4 (17:03):
More horrible than that, but that's a sick woman.

Speaker 2 (17:09):
So these haunting stories kind of started circulating around, and
it kind of drew the film center authorities to resort
to all kinds of rituals to I guess pacify the
the angered ghosts and the spirits that were the abandoned
workers who were uncereu momentously, I guess, kind of entombed

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in the place because they had no intentions on being
you know, just kind of filled in with concrete, becoming
part of the structure.

Speaker 4 (17:39):
Okay, so nobody even after that grand opening, nobody knew it.

Speaker 2 (17:43):
No, I think people knew. But once again, you lived
in a society here to where they were the government,
they were the law, so they do whatever they want.
I heard a story this just give you an example
of places. It's off to beat. But I used to
work with a guy twenty some years ago and hate well,
he was from Hati and his family was rich, and

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he told you used to tell us stories about the
people who had money just got away literally with murder.
He said, his dad one time was driving down the
street and he hit a guy and the guy flopped
up on his windshield and he just drove the guy
still on his windshield to the hospital and the guy
died and there was like no repercussions because he had money.

Speaker 4 (18:28):
Wow.

Speaker 2 (18:29):
And in the Philippines in the early eighties. I mean,
you're looking in the same type of situation. Especially with
the people who run the country. They're going to be
able to do whatever the hell they want.

Speaker 4 (18:38):
That's I wish I could hug every one of those
people on the Dagon Conquerte Well, you.

Speaker 2 (18:41):
Would get concrete on you.

Speaker 4 (18:42):
I don't care. That's so mean.

Speaker 2 (18:45):
So Mila that we talked about earlier, she said that
they had exorcism rights. They had pagan rights. They killed
a pig, they killed a chicken, they had entls of
a pig. They had a Catholic right, and a Chinese right.
These were all these different exorcism type things that they
did to try to fix the problems. Now, after every right,

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the officers would be given something to kind of like
an object toward off the evil. One of those things
was a rice cone, an anting anting, which is like
a Filipino charm or amulet. The Chinese right had letters
that were in envelopes that they gave out, and on

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the inauguration day they did an exorcism at five am
in the morning. Wow, these very old. I'm probably gonna
pronounce this wrong, but there were igoros, which they are
basically mountain people of the Luzon, which right there in
the Philippines, that's what they call them, the igores. But

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they were heavily tattooed and stuff. They were in there
doing stuff. They had been killing animals and cooking them
in pots all week long. It was like that that
they had read the intros of these animals to see
what the spirits were saying. And they said they had
talked to the spirits and the reason that they were
still there was because everything had happened so quick.

Speaker 4 (20:11):
Wait a minute, what are intros introls?

Speaker 2 (20:14):
Animal introls like intestines and.

Speaker 4 (20:18):
Oh, they're INDs. INDs want you to say INRDS, I
would understood you.

Speaker 2 (20:22):
Yeah, because ninety nine percent of whoever listened wouldn't have understood.
They said that the so the mediums and the igoros
told them that they were no longer with us, that
they were dead. That's how they were trying to communicate
with the spirit. Now, nothing really fixed this problem. Obviously,

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various ghostly activities started to happen. They started having mysterious sounds, voices,
poltergeist type activities going on, and in the late nineties
a group caused spirit questers. They actually began to make
visits to the try to contact the people who were
killed during the construction. Some of the spirits claimed to

(21:08):
have moved on, but a few allegedly remained, and this
is what they had said the people from spirit questers.
The building at one point was abandoned because of all
the haunting activity. In nineteen ninety on earthquake left the
building unstable, so it was pretty much not used for
a while. Stayed that way till two thousand and one
and the building was renovated by the government and it

(21:30):
was released. It was least to a group called the
CPA CIAI. I have no idea what that stands for.
I tried to look it up a thousand times and
wasn't anything on there. But from two thousand and one.
In two thousand and nine, that group that just bought
it with the long ass letters names. They were actually
a production company called The Amazing Show Theater, and they

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put on a production that was called The Amazing Show
and it was basically drag queen stuff. So for two
thousand and one and two thousand and nine they had
this deal where everybody in there was transgender, they say,
but we all know what it meant. It was drag shows,
and over two hundred and eighty thousand tourists came and
saw that show over the eight years that they were there.

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But they in two thousand and nine their contract was
up and they moved elsewhere.

Speaker 4 (22:18):
It don't seem like very many people through for eight years.

Speaker 2 (22:21):
I mean, people you think are coming to the Philippine.
Tw hundred eighty thousand people came. That's a lot of people.

Speaker 4 (22:28):
I mean for eight years it seemed like it should
be more right now it's the Philippines.

Speaker 2 (22:31):
I mean, I mean tourists do you think are going
to the Philippines to begin with?

Speaker 3 (22:35):
So in.

Speaker 2 (22:38):
They moved out obviously, then it kind of set vacant,
and they were talking about the government was actually going
to move there because there were some of the government
structures were just like almost practically next door. But they
could have saved a lot of money by moving in there.
But in twenty thirteen there was a big fire, there
was structured draamage, and they just kind of decided that

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just leave alone. So from my understanding, right now, the
building sets abandoned and it's kind of just a lot
of you know, it's not usable for anything right now.

Speaker 4 (23:08):
When that heiferd diye.

Speaker 2 (23:10):
Oh, I can't remember. She's been dead for probably five,
six seven years at least.

Speaker 4 (23:16):
Stupid people.

Speaker 2 (23:18):
So that is the story.

Speaker 3 (23:21):
That's so.

Speaker 2 (23:23):
Yeah, it's a pretty cool story. Like I said, considering
that I had never heard of it, but I thought
it was pretty cool.

Speaker 3 (23:29):
Nice.

Speaker 2 (23:30):
Well, here's what we're going to do for the rest
of the show. I thought it'd be cool to go
ahead and knock out our joke of the day and
the creepy fact the basically twisted thought of the week beforehand.
Let's go with a twisted thought first. And this is
very simple, but it's kind of disturbing at the same time.
If you're over the age of forty, you probably already

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own the clothes that you will die in.

Speaker 4 (23:52):
Oh well, that's a no brainer for me.

Speaker 2 (23:55):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (23:57):
I mean seriously, I think I wear the same things
I wore back in the day. When I have a
hundred other things to wear, I wear the same thing.

Speaker 2 (24:03):
Yep.

Speaker 4 (24:03):
That's kind of weird though, Yeah it is.

Speaker 2 (24:07):
So let's talk about the joke of today and then
we'll get into the uh Marcami man or stuff. Okay,
joke of today. We have a contractor that goes over
to the Middle East. He's kind of a dumble boy. Uh.
So he goes over to the Middle East and he's
over and we'll say kuwait, and he hooks up with
some other Americans and stuff, and they're kind of in

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this out of the way place out in the desert,
and uh, he's starting to feel a little anxious one night,
if you kind of know what I mean. It's been
a long time without a woman. So he goes up
to the the people that are in charge of the
company he's working for, and he says, hey, I got
to be honest with you. I'm kind of feeling a
little anxious and it's been a while. And the guy
takes him over and he says, you see that camel

(24:49):
right there. And he says yeah, and he said, you know,
when you're ready, cam will be right there waiting for you.
And he's don't say anything, but his mind he's thinking,
I don't think I'm ever going to be that ready.
So a couple of months go by, he goes up
to the same guy and he said, uh, you know,

(25:10):
I've got to be honest with you. I'm really starting
to get that itch, so to speak. And the guy says, well,
I told you that camel was right there whenever you
need it, buddy, it's all you. A couple more months
go by and the guy's feeling desperate. But now he
goes out and he's trying to survey it, and he's saying,
why the hell am I going to do this anyway?

(25:30):
So he gets him a little step ladder. He puts
it behind the can on. He just starts going to town.
About that time, the boss comes in. He said, oh,
what the hell are you doing? He says, I'm doing
what you told me. You told me when when I
was ready that this camel would be here. You said,
all the guys use it. He said, yeah, we get
on it right to town where the women are.

Speaker 4 (25:55):
That's a terrible image I'll never get rid of.

Speaker 2 (25:57):
I know it. It's kind of it's a funny joke, though, I.

Speaker 4 (25:59):
Thought, So that's pretty good.

Speaker 2 (26:01):
Who is calling it's bo again?

Speaker 4 (26:05):
Does he not know that we are recording at this minute?

Speaker 2 (26:08):
I don't know. Let me uh tell him to hurry up,
let me let me grab it. Real well, we can't
say nothing. He gave away all those posters and DVDs
and stuff last week, So okay, all right, let me
grab it. Hey bo, what's going on?

Speaker 3 (26:22):
Brother? Alight? What's you know? Good?

Speaker 2 (26:26):
I know, I know nothing, good man. I just uh
just finishing up some recording. You know how that goes?

Speaker 3 (26:34):
Oh yes, yes, here. I was.

Speaker 5 (26:38):
Remote type player for you, like less press play and
record at the same time. And you're talking little Michael Phoneman.
So there's the original carry out.

Speaker 3 (26:47):
Back in my days.

Speaker 5 (26:49):
I was doing that and I recorded the songs off
the radio and then I just try to match the
singer's legs.

Speaker 2 (26:57):
That's definitely an eighties type thing.

Speaker 3 (27:00):
Oh yeah, yeah, I mean, hey, I thank you, what
you hurt me? I sung good?

Speaker 5 (27:07):
I sung good man, I can and me and that
Conway tweeted man, he was laying her down let me
catch you.

Speaker 3 (27:13):
Well.

Speaker 2 (27:14):
I'll tell you what. Conway probably led the way with
the creepiest ass songs ever if you just listen to
the lyrics.

Speaker 5 (27:21):
Oh yeah, yeah, Well, I mean the thing is that
mark being why say the other night didn't go so good?
You know, because you know, talk to about wanting to
layer down, whispered, you know, sweet nothings in her ear
and what not. You know, they say, No, I was
I was like real close to her. Ear and yeah,
that's the best you know in the morgender and trying

(27:44):
to work at the same time, you know, I just
and then bar.

Speaker 2 (27:51):
Yeah, I can understand how that might, uh might be
a little frustrating if you're trying to work and you
got somebody you know, trying to lay you down and
whisper a sweet nothing's.

Speaker 3 (27:58):
In your ear or her manager this.

Speaker 2 (28:04):
Hey you guys, I think you were. You autographed some
uh posters for some of the listeners out there. They
wanted to thank you for that.

Speaker 5 (28:13):
Oh well, we appreciated them.

Speaker 3 (28:17):
We love all them listeners. You know.

Speaker 5 (28:19):
It was basically that's that's the important thing, as we'll.

Speaker 3 (28:23):
Make some listeners. So yeah, they were up in told.

Speaker 2 (28:29):
Hey, we're doing a show tonight about uh extreme hunted houses.
Do you like going to hunted houses?

Speaker 5 (28:36):
Man, let me tell you something. My aunt fair Lane's
outhouse was home. I mean because Uncle Khad has died
after taking ship one day, and I mean every time
you go in there, everybody talk about you get the chills.
But then again, I mean they was out there crapping
in the winter time, so it could have just been
the draft blowing between the board. But I'm telling you

(29:00):
what it was creepy. Nonetheless, God the smells and come
out of that face. Must I still, I'll tell you what.
It still gives me nightmares. But now I ain't never
been in the whole house that was honed before.

Speaker 2 (29:16):
Well that's uh, well, you know, some of these things,
like the one we're talking about, it's not really haunted.
It's just actors trying to give you that experience. And
that this house particular, they like they actually get to
touch you in there, where some of these other ones
they don't. They're not allowed to touch you, And this
one they can touch you and push you, and they
put their fingers in your mouth and make you eat

(29:36):
written eggs and pull your hair.

Speaker 3 (29:40):
Hell, I eat the rotten eggs per years. Man, you
ain't just don't know who you can taste it cook?
But I now now, now, now they can touch you,
they put their hands on you.

Speaker 5 (29:52):
Now, let me ask you this, are are the women.

Speaker 3 (29:56):
Folk that that that.

Speaker 5 (29:59):
Play these hair care? Are any of them hot? And
are they singing?

Speaker 2 (30:03):
I don't think any of the actors are women to
begin with.

Speaker 5 (30:07):
So oh oh well then no, sir, lead me out
of it. I may hain't nothing wrong with that, but
I'm just saying for me.

Speaker 3 (30:19):
Now, I can't speak for seeing now.

Speaker 5 (30:22):
He may be damn like a plow, but you know,
I mean, the boy don't really say what you're at
the part of course again he don't say.

Speaker 3 (30:30):
But you know the thing is is just that's just
not gonna quite be for me.

Speaker 2 (30:37):
Well, I definitely could understand that. Look, I hate to
cut you off, but we got a lot of recordings
still to do. I do want to say thank you
for everything you guys have done for the show and.

Speaker 3 (30:47):
Uh oh man, hey, we's glad to do it.

Speaker 5 (30:50):
And uh, you know, like always, I love I love Colin,
just checking in with you and everything. Now listen and
when they feeding him right, just rever chase it with
beer and it makes everything.

Speaker 3 (31:03):
You know, go down real smooth. But I'm telling you
right now now.

Speaker 5 (31:07):
The next day you might want to get you like
a like a safety pin or or a clothes pin
or something. Put it on your nose because you're gonna
need it, you know, collect at first trip to the
jar Man that thing will be rough. I ain't even
gonna lie, but yeah, in the meantime, y'all, y'all keep
keep phone listening and watch you some hill billy horror show.

(31:28):
And don't forget the number one rule of the trailer.
If you got a beer in hand, you ain't got
room for no tool.

Speaker 2 (31:34):
Sound awesome? All right, brother, thank you so much, and
we'll talk to you soon.

Speaker 3 (31:39):
Have a good.

Speaker 2 (31:41):
That bow is absolutely a nut.

Speaker 4 (31:45):
Yeah, see is that that's a both think that's a
pretty good word for him.

Speaker 2 (31:50):
Yeah. I think it's it's fitting and we do want
to think he'll billy horror show. Them guys have been
very supportive of us and giving us plenty of stuff
to give away to you guys. So once again, check
them out on who YouTube pretty much anywhere because they're
not a podcast or videos, so anywhere that you can
check them out. Check them out gold their website. But yeah,

(32:10):
they're awesome, So we appreciate everything they've done.

Speaker 4 (32:12):
We do appreciate you very much, honey.

Speaker 2 (32:14):
All right, so let's get into it. McCamey manor I
don't even know what to say. Like I said, you've
seen the videos out there. The controversy, obviously, is is
this legal torture, because that's what a lot of people
have made it out to be. You sign a waiver
in San Diego. There was no safe word, supposedly, so

(32:37):
you were deemed done when Russ mccamee, the owner, said
you were done. Now, I'm just going to tell you
what the horror stories are out there. People are saying
that they had their nose broke. People are saying that
they needed reconstructive surgery. People saying that they got PTSD

(32:58):
from this experience and they were damaged for life psychologically.
We got people saying they had chunks of hair pulled out,
head shaved, you name it. Marines that had been through
war over in the Persian golf and stuff went through
it and said that they couldn't handle it. It was

(33:20):
that strong. So people who had been through something as
intensive as war had trouble with this.

Speaker 4 (33:24):
That's crazy.

Speaker 2 (33:26):
But this is all legal. And like I said, you
signed a forty page waiver that tells you all this,
and I know Russ actually tells you several times during
this process you don't want to do this. But once
you're in, you're in, and you're done. When you were
physically or mentally broken down, if you pass out, if

(33:47):
you need medical attention, something like that, that's when you
were done. You couldn't say I'm done. I went out
or tap out, so to speak. It didn't matter, you know.
So that's the stories throughout there. Now what I said
is I was tell you the horror stories. Now, during
the course of the interview of Christina and the interview
of Russ, you'll find out that maybe, just maybe it's

(34:10):
not quite as bad as people think. But the reality
of it is, there's a lot of videos out there.
In the videos, people show up at the end, they're battered.
They got the one guy said he had over one
hundred bytes on him bug bites of some sort. He
said it was he thought it was roaches, but there
was one hundred bug bites on him and he was

(34:31):
only in there for like two hours.

Speaker 4 (34:33):
But these people have to know they have had to
see the video before they did this, right.

Speaker 2 (34:38):
What they're saying is that they saw the videos, so
they expected some of that. But there's stuff that you
don't see on the videos that was what put it
over the top that they weren't expecting. If all that
was up there was what they saw on the video,
they would have been fine with it. But there's other
stuff that you don't see. And as Russell tell you,
they like to make it personal. And you know, I've

(34:58):
heard some behind the scene stuff that we didn't. I
told Russ I wasn't going to put on the show
just me and him conversation, which is nothing wrong with it,
but you know, he divulged a little bit to me
that you know about some things. Like I said, they
do make it personal, and he shared some actual experiences
that I won't comment on.

Speaker 4 (35:15):
But well, I would not make it ten minutes. I'm
telling you right now.

Speaker 2 (35:18):
I mean, there there's parts where you go into like
a eight feet of water that has like a cage
on top, so you can kind of pull up and
get your head up to the cage and hold on
to it.

Speaker 4 (35:31):
I'm screwed.

Speaker 2 (35:32):
Well, you can still swim up to the top of water.
You don't have to stand at the bottom. That's what
he's saying. But there's eight feet of water, and how
many people you know that are eight foot tall?

Speaker 4 (35:40):
That well, that's true, but I feel like these short
people would be more of a struggle.

Speaker 2 (35:44):
But there's like eels and stuff like that. They'll put
you in a coffin. They will have scorpions and stuff
like that, climbing on your face. I meant, yeah, and
it is some of that kind of fear factor stuff.
But I mean that's some of the stuff that goes
on here, and it is a full fledged extreme haunting,
which means they touch you. You know, everybody used to

(36:07):
go into the hunted houses. Hey, the actors won't touch you,
that's not what this is. They touch you, they push you,
they punch you, they they pull your hair out, they
do all that, and you sign away that right as
soon as you do it.

Speaker 4 (36:21):
I'm sure a bunch of them get punched the heck
back too.

Speaker 2 (36:23):
I know no, because I know Russ told me there
was one instant and I can't remember who it was
where he kicked somebody out because they actually did retaliate,
and that's the quickest way to get kicked out.

Speaker 4 (36:34):
Oh there you go. Then you want out punch somebody.

Speaker 3 (36:36):
There you go out.

Speaker 2 (36:39):
So anyways, I thought it would be cool to first
let's listen to Christina Buster since she's been a part
of this three times. Let's hear what she's got to say.
And uh, then let's hear from the man himself, Russ McCamey.
All right, I want to welcome to the show a
very special guest tonight if you know anything about mccamee
manor you've watched a lot of the videos, there is

(37:01):
one name that probably pops up more than any She's definitely,
without a doubt, the most famous of the participants of McCamey,
and that would be Christina Buster. Christina, thank you so
much for coming on the show.

Speaker 6 (37:14):
You're very welcome.

Speaker 2 (37:15):
Now I want to give you the opportunity to tell
everybody out there a few things that I know people
are thinking. They've all seen videos they will hear at
some point in time from Russ tonight in an interview
we did, and I thought it would be good to
get the perspective from a participant. Now I've watched the video.

(37:38):
I didn't watch the full two hours of it of
your second trip through, and I'm telling you it looks
so intense. My first question to you is, and I
know this is what everybody is thinking. What possesses somebody
to want to put their self through that.

Speaker 6 (37:55):
I think for me personally, it was because I'm an
exciting range and I always like to push my body
to the next level of where it can go, to
see what fears I have If I wi't legit have
these types of fears so far of extreme haunts that

(38:16):
I've gone to numerous ones, not just in cane manner
and it so I haven't found that interfered yet. I'm
sure I have it, it just has not surfaced yet.
I wouldn't recommend extreme haunts for everybody because they're not
designed for everybody. Because there is physical contact, you get

(38:37):
pushed around a bit. You might come out with bumps,
cuts and scrapes. That's the nature of extreme pint. It's
not your typical goo haunts.

Speaker 2 (38:45):
Okay, so let me ask you this. I know you
came for the first time. You lasted. Now you can
correct me if I'm wrong, but I can of see
varying reports. But one of the reports I said said
you lasted about five minutes the first time. Does that
sound correct or do you think you want a little longer.

Speaker 6 (39:00):
That I know the first time I went in was
probably maybe a little bit longer, and then I went
right back in. Russ allowed me to go back in,
and then I went a couple hours after.

Speaker 2 (39:10):
That, okay. And the second time you did it, you
flew and it might have been that same way for
the first time, but you flew nineteen hours from kuwait
over here to do that, and I think another hant
maybe the night before.

Speaker 6 (39:26):
I actually had gone to my second time I went through.
I actually went to Freaklin Brothers in Las Vegas, which
is the top extreme haunt on the most Scarious list
for extreme hanks. And that one is very drivel, it's
very hand pun it's very intense.

Speaker 3 (39:45):
So when I had.

Speaker 6 (39:46):
Got done with that haunt, I basically got out a
plane and went straight from the Cane manor so I
took back to back extreme hants and.

Speaker 3 (39:55):
It was brutal.

Speaker 6 (39:57):
I wouldn't I would have. I would never do that again.

Speaker 2 (40:01):
Now, what I found interesting is from the time you
did your first when it became me to the time
you did your second, apparently you taunted the actors for
almost a full year before you came back. Do you
think that was the smartest thing to do?

Speaker 6 (40:15):
No, it was not. And you could see the after
pictures was how my hair was So No, that probably
wasn't that aston to do.

Speaker 2 (40:24):
So let me ask you this. So I'm going to
pretend that nobody out here has seen the video. So
what I want you to do is paint a picture
from the very start to finish and I don't expect
every detail by any means, but like I know, you
know in your situation, at least on the video I saw,

(40:45):
it starts off with in the parking lot and basically
goes from a hostage situation type situation straight down to
some underwater activities. Will say to doing the uh the waiver,
So tell me a little bit about what happens when

(41:05):
you first get there and lead me down that path
until you get to the actual haunt itself.

Speaker 6 (41:12):
Well, it varied from the first time I went to
it to the second time. The first time was put
into a van and taken to the location which is
where the haunt is. The second time was put inside
a was taken down to kind of like a creek,

(41:35):
and that is one that's actually one of the videos
where you see us being ducked dragged through this creek
with my two other partners and the waiver being signed
and then taken the event and taken to our location
where there are numerous breakers within the CANi manor that

(41:59):
tests your durrance, tests you psychologically through different through water,
through apparatuses.

Speaker 3 (42:11):
Through.

Speaker 6 (42:13):
Psychological mind games to try to break you. And that's
basically what the Canny manner is all about. Is there
smoking mirrors? You know they're smoking mirrors as as part
of it. And you when you go through, like myself,
I came out with bunts, cuts and bruises. That that

(42:36):
is all in the waiver. So it's not that you're
not aware. That's not going to happen. And then if
you do break and you know and rest feels like
that your body has had enough, you know he he
will pull you out and make your make you rest

(42:58):
and dehydrate you and make sure that you're okay. And
that's pretty much about McCay manor. Of course, I can't
give away what's inside the Cane manner because if he
decides that he's going to start back up again in
his current location because right now he's in time out
mode because of some issues, and when he does come

(43:22):
back up, then of course, you know, I don't want
to give away any spoilers of what actually inside mccainey manor.
I have not gone to the new location in tennessee
all my experiences. We're here in San Diego where he's
no longer here and he has moved, okay, so I'm
not really familiar with what he has going on in

(43:45):
the new location in Tennessee.

Speaker 2 (43:48):
And well, actually, and I'll send you links to this
show because we actually did a really cool interview with
Russ and he actually tells you in detail what's going
on in Tennessee. It's quite different than what he's done
in the past. Asked there actually is are no actors
in the new hunt. It's himself in one of them
and Holly in another one, and that's the whole thing
is one on one, so it's kind of a different

(44:11):
setup completely. Now, he did want me to tell you
that apparently you two have had some kind of a
falling out. He wanted me to reach out the Olive
branch to you and tell you that he wanted to
invite you out to the new location to give that
a shot. If that was something you wanted to do.

Speaker 6 (44:27):
I am more than like touble pm him private message
and discussed out with him, because there's a lot of
things that needs to be worked out at a lot
of things that he needs to own up to and
apologize for his behavior. And I also believe it at
that all right.

Speaker 2 (44:44):
Now, one thing I want to point out is that
you are the oldest person to actually go through mccamie
manor you've done it three times, which you may not
know this. Now, that was the record until a couple
of days ago, young lady by the name of Marissa
Phillips actually went through for the fourth time. So she's
now the record holder in that category. So it might
be a little extra incentive for you to get back

(45:05):
out there and at least tie that record up.

Speaker 6 (45:08):
Maybe I'm glad to hold my record at the age
of in the age of my forties, I as outlasted
people that are in their twenties, so I'm kind of
proud of that.

Speaker 2 (45:20):
So let me ask you this, and this is me
playing Devil's Advocate. You know, I watched the video. This
is obviously out there for everybody to watch. You know,
I understand extreme halt. Now this is somebody coming from
somebody who's never done this, and I couldn't imagine without
ever seeing these videos and something like this even existed.
But you know, I watched the beginning when you guys

(45:41):
are down at the creek and I'm watching them push,
you know, faces down in the water. I'm watching smacks.
I mean I'm talking people got smacked in their head,
pretty good smacks. I mean, they almost look like, you know,
something you would see in a domestic violence case or something.
It wouldn't just little love taps and so. But but
all of that was even before you guys signed the

(46:03):
waiver to even go into the actual haunt. It just
amazes me that in a situation like that, after that part,
that somebody didn't bail at that point.

Speaker 6 (46:14):
I'm surprised too like that, Like, I know, the videos
look very graphic, and we look like we're people perceeded
as that were being trying to think of the word tortured, tortured,
which I don't think I was personally because I realized

(46:37):
what I was getting myself into, so I knew that
was going to happen. But that is the nature of
extreme haunts again, so I wouldn't recommend anybody if that
is graphic for them, I wouldn't recommend them going to
mchini manner. I really recommend going to that type of

(47:00):
extreme hot. Now, there are different levels of extreme hot,
because I've been to numerous different types. I've traveled overseas
to England on six add go to Switzerland the beginning
of the month for another extreme hat. So there are
different types within the extreme hot community and extreme hant types.

(47:26):
So if you have any issues of people beating your
personal space, or you don't like to be manhandled, you
don't like to be pushed, you might be bounded, might
be put in small, defined places. I would not recommend
somebody going to an extreme hat.

Speaker 2 (47:44):
And you know, like I said, I definitely understand the
touching and the pushing and stuff like that. I guess
it just seems a little odd to me to see,
you know, people have their hair pulled out and clumps
and stuff like that. To me, I just I guess
it just seems at overboard. But like I said, if
you know what you're getting into and you're completely fond

(48:04):
with that going into it, I mean to each their
own as far as I'm concerned.

Speaker 6 (48:09):
That's the way I look at it. It is a
shock to people when they see that, and so I
can understand somebody assuming that that's what it is or
taking it in that direction. And everybody perceives something. Everybody
perceives something different to what you perceive as what I

(48:29):
perceive it as. I don't think people they go see
extreme haunts are crazy, they're netty, or they have mental
issues of any nature. And I have been classified as
being somebody that's not stable because I go to these
extreme hats and I am perfectly normal. I know what

(48:51):
I'm getting myself into, and I know what's happening when
I sign the waiver.

Speaker 2 (48:59):
So let me ask you this. You obviously have you
do this all over the world, so you have no
problems at all with the extreme haunt. You know there's
a do do the places all over the world have
as much controversy surrounding them as what mccameey's manner does.

Speaker 6 (49:16):
Not as much because their country's regulations are a lot
different to what what's the United States aret. I don't
know to be honest, what the regulations are for Switzerland
for extreme haunt, but for instance, for England, there they
can't do as much with some of the students that

(49:41):
you've seen the videos in the Candy manor that that
res that Rest's allowed to do or get away with.
But obviously it's legal because he's he's been doing it
for so many years.

Speaker 2 (49:55):
Well that's true. Unfortunately, I mean, there's so much controversis
around that he's forced to move from one location to
another location, which I'm sure is aggravating, But at the
same time, I can definitely understand why people would be concerned.
But once again, on the other hand, you know, if
people are signing up for it and they know what

(50:16):
they're getting, you know, there's just you know, I think
where the major problem came in with Russ was, especially
in the San Diego days, is the the no safe word.
I think that's what people their concern was. You know,
this guy is making his own medical decisions on people,
when when they're through and when they're not through, and

(50:37):
is he even qualified to make those decisions? And I
think that's where a lot of the controversy started. You know,
when you start hearing you know, Russe will be the
one to decide when you're completely broke, and you know,
you hear these horror stories and who knows if any
of them are true. I'm actually want to get your
opinion on that. You know, there's tons of stories about, Hey,

(50:58):
my boyfriend went through it, he got his nose broken
in several places, he's going through reconstructive surgery tomorrow. You
know you've got stories like that out there.

Speaker 3 (51:07):
Now.

Speaker 2 (51:07):
When you talk to Russ, as I did, he says,
there's never been any kind of medical Uh situations where
somebody's had to be rushed at the hospital or had
any medical attention after the fact. I mean, I'm at
the point where I really don't know who to believe.
I mean, do you know or what is your opinion?
Do you think that there are situations that's ever occurred

(51:29):
where somebody needed medical attention or is it all basically
like your situation where people are just a little battered
and just go home and you know, throw some PROCs
out on a couple of cuts.

Speaker 6 (51:38):
Well, I can't. I can't elaborate on other people's experiences
because I listen there the physically witnesses. So for me
to make an opinion about that, I think it was
be kind of biased. I can only based on what
my three times I went through and when Rush says

(51:59):
wasn't supposed to be. If we're just he kind of
when you feel like that you want to get out,
he will keep you in a little bit longer. And
I do admit that that does happen because he wants
to push you. He wants you to push your body
to see how far you can go. People disagree with that.

(52:19):
They think they should be pulled out as soon as
the person feels like they that they feel like they
want to quit it, and I don't agree with that
aspect of it personally. That's just my opinion. Now, when
my body my first floor, and I can admit this,

(52:40):
when my body gave out because my body basically went
into shock because I had never gone through Bikinian banner,
so my body my brain didn't know what to make
of it. So I did get pulled out pretty quickly.
And because when it was confirmed about my safety and
I after everything, I got decompressed, I went right back in.

(53:04):
So that was the first tour. Now the second tour,
my body kept on being push push, push, push, and
so I basically said, I'm not doing anymore astart for
my language, and I fucking quit. I'm not going anymore.
So that was the second time. And then the third time,
I just it just was a bad situation that had happened.

(53:28):
I don't want to elaborate on it because I don't
want to bash rest or anything. It just was not
a pleasant experience and I'll leave it at that. And
the third tour, I only lasted eight minutes.

Speaker 2 (53:41):
So let me ask you this, what do you think
was the hardest part about going through. Is it the
physical part or is the the mental part.

Speaker 6 (53:51):
I think for me it's the physical part, not so
much the mental, because I could block people out if
I had to block people out to a certain degree.
So to me, it was more of the physical because
I'm forty something years old, I'm not in my twenties.

Speaker 2 (54:07):
Well, I think, I think, you know, you're not the
only one obviously that's had that problem, because nobody's ever
made it through that location. So you know, it's there's
a lot of twenties and thirty year olds out there
that that didn't fare any better than you, and some
of them a lot worse than what you did. So
I commend you for what you were able to do
because I can guarantee I wouldn't have lasted two hours
at any point in time.

Speaker 6 (54:27):
So my best time I went through it lasted the
longest was my second time I went through it.

Speaker 2 (54:32):
Yeah, and I think was that something like four hours?
Is that what I remember?

Speaker 6 (54:36):
I think it was two maybe two and four hours
is what I made it through the second what I
went through the second time.

Speaker 2 (54:44):
So let me ask you this, When it's all said
and done, you go through it, how do you feel
a couple of days after the fact. I mean, does
this stuff linger with you for a little bit or
are you back to normal within a couple of hours.

Speaker 3 (54:55):
No.

Speaker 6 (54:56):
I for me, my body, my body was very physically
dad or not. I wasn't mentally where I had to
reprogram myself. I was just my body was just battered.
So my body was four from that bruises and the

(55:17):
prits and just being baddered in general. So it took
me about a day a day and a half just
resting in bed and putting deep huting pad on my
joints and messles that were telling me that I'm forty
something years old and why am I doing this kind
of thing.

Speaker 2 (55:38):
So when you said that from the three times you
went through it, did it progressively? Do you think got
worse as far as from a physical and mental standpoint?
Did it evolve very much between the first, second, and
third times.

Speaker 6 (55:51):
I personally think for me it did not help me
poking the actors, but they knew they I think when
you built that the second and third time, the actors
are because it was the same actor as the second
and the third time. And then there was a few actors,
new actors that had been put in over the years,

(56:13):
and when you go through the first time a new break,
you know, the actors are are happy or we got
that person to break. Of course they want to have
said as well as they're going to do different. I
find about always breaking the person. But the second time
it was the actors were, oh, she wants to come back.

(56:35):
We didn't do a good enough job. So the second time.
The second time was like worse and then oh you're
coming back the third time? Are you crazy? And we
didn't do and we didn't get rid of you the
second time. We're going to make it worse the third time.
So yeah, it was. It was bad for me. And
they know where my pain level is, they know how

(56:58):
far they can puish me. So I had a disvantage, Yeah.

Speaker 2 (57:02):
I would think. So you know, anytime you give the
enemy so called the knowledge of what your fears and
stuff already are they already know where to start at
were before they had to figure it out.

Speaker 6 (57:12):
Correct.

Speaker 2 (57:13):
All right, So let me ask you this. We're getting
ready to wrap this thing up. But you had mentioned
earlier a possible extreme haunt around the Oklahoma area, and
tell me a little bit about that.

Speaker 6 (57:25):
Well, there is there is a an extreme hant that's
very well known in LA and it's called Heretic. It's
an underground extreme hant and they're teaming up with this
one name Obscure Obscure Horror, and so Heretic is actually

(57:46):
fly it out to Tulsa.

Speaker 7 (57:47):
Oklahoma area and they are forming a ride together and
forming an extreme hot I believe the dates from the
twenty fourth to the twenty.

Speaker 6 (58:00):
Seven, I believe. But if you go to that Skill
Horror website, which you've been kind of scare horror through
Facebook or to the website, then it will direct you
on how to get tickets. But actually tickets are for
sale right now. So they are an extreme haunt. I

(58:23):
would say aggressiveness, they're probably maybe about a seven in
terms of aggressiveness in terms of an extreme hant. So
I'm just kind of like of anybody, we like to
try it and see what they feel about extreme haunts,
whether it's them for them or not, because like I said,

(58:44):
it's not for everybody that I would read into it.
So you know what you're getting yourself into is that
way you don't complain that this is not what you
find out for all?

Speaker 3 (58:55):
Right?

Speaker 2 (58:56):
Would that being said I want to end on this.
In general, there's a lot of negati things said about
Russ uh and what I mean by that is it's
the you know, he's a sadist. He does this for
his own, his own sick fantasies. He just likes torturing
people within a legal main and the places needs to
be shut down because people shouldn't be treated like that.

(59:18):
Tell everybody what your true opinion of is of mccamie manner.
Is it just get a bad rap? Is that what
you think is? It is Russ misunderstood and really everything
that's going on is a lot more safe than what
people think it is. What's your honest opinion of mccamee manner?

Speaker 6 (59:38):
My honest Cane manner is that when I first was
through in two thousand and fourteen, it has evolved. If honestly,
if Russ would have kept it the same level and
kept it where it was out when I first initially
went through it, instead of it becoming more AGGRESSI to

(01:00:00):
where I think it has cost boundaries, and I honestly
do think that it has gone too far. In my opinion.
It's not to Bush's, Bash's Haunt or Bashless McKinney as
as an owner, and I do honestly think that he
needs to pull pack the reins and go back to

(01:00:21):
its roots. That's fair enough, because I take because I
think that's where he is honestly getting a bad rap
with him keep on making it more aggressive aggressive, aggressive, aggressive,
and people don't want that level of aggressiveness. They would
like to enjoy what they're going.

Speaker 3 (01:00:38):
Through as well.

Speaker 2 (01:00:39):
Christina, I thank you so much for coming on and
giving us some insight on what it's like to actually
go through somebody's extreme haunts. I greatly appreciate and I
wish you nothing but success in the future with all and.

Speaker 6 (01:00:50):
I the lasson I want to say is that I'm
not telling nobody not to go through the Canny manor
I personally I don't think at this present time that
I want to go back through it. But that's just
me that as people really honestly want to go for
it and try it, go ahead, just make sure you

(01:01:10):
know what you're getting herself into it, and then don't
complain after the fact this happened has happened, and that
happened you being kind of you've been forewarned fair enough.

Speaker 2 (01:01:22):
Thank you so much for your insight. I greatly appreciate it,
no problem.

Speaker 6 (01:01:26):
Always enjoy has and maybe there maybe the listeners a
different perspective or maybe they have a different insight.

Speaker 2 (01:01:33):
That was the goal all along, and I appreciate you
being able to give us that insight because I didn't
know anybody else who had been through an extreme.

Speaker 6 (01:01:39):
Hank oh, no problem anytime.

Speaker 2 (01:01:42):
Thank you, Christina, You're welcome. So that was Christina Buster.
Like I said now, I found out later when I
interviewed Russ that she at one time she's still the
oldest person to ever go through. She's in her late
forties now, she's like for ever. But she had the

(01:02:02):
record at three, and as you heard me mentioned her
on there, Uh, there's been a young lady by the
name of Marissa that's actually beating her record. And Russ
obviously reached out the Olive branch and then gave her
an offer to come back out and check it out.
So we'll see what happens. And I know when I
talked to Christina a little bit off there, and I'm

(01:02:23):
not sure she's one hundred percent on board. We're trying
to go through it again. I think she she may
feel like that she's done with mccamee. Yeah, but as
you heard, she's still doing several others.

Speaker 4 (01:02:34):
Venture Sure, I wanted.

Speaker 2 (01:02:36):
To give a quick shout out to bomb Pod Media.
And the reason I say that is it's a it's
I'm super happy to be a part of that. You
heard the intro at the very beginning, but I know
this was myself and and a couple of other shows,
mainly Mysterious Radio, got this thing started and off the
ground about a month or so ago. We've been kind

(01:02:58):
of hush hush on it, just trying to build things up.
We want to be the best collection of creators out there.
This is just you know, we want people to be
able to say, hey, this group has some of the
best podcasts out there, and I wanted to share some
of those obviously podcasts with you. So obviously we got
Mysterious Radio on ourself. Then we've got irreverent true crime history,

(01:03:24):
The Confessionals thirty six Times, the Intronaut stat you've heard
Karen on the show already, the Media Matters, you've heard
Chantal on the show. We'd Darkness true Crime Historian Don
which is daily dose of weird news. We can always
use that the Parrot Cast. That's a huge one for

(01:03:44):
us to get. Another really big one for us to
get was Higher Side Chat that is a big show
out there, Gone Code. And then you heard at the
very beginning of our show, we played an intro by
Rohile podcast, which I told you about last week and
gave you the warning. But a lot of you checked

(01:04:05):
it out and I've had a lot of you tell
me that you really liked it. So but we're excited
about this. We're going to have more and more groups
sign on. But go to bomb Bomb Pod Media and
just do a Google search of it. Go to our website.
You can see all the shows are there, and we
urge you to check them out because we only brought
on the shows that we felt like we're the best

(01:04:26):
of the best.

Speaker 3 (01:04:27):
You know.

Speaker 2 (01:04:28):
Granted, there's a lot bigger shows still out there that
they've already got their own deal, so we couldn't snag
those shows. So we're not by any means claiming that,
you know, these shows are as big as you know,
like Lore or Astonishing Legends or something like that. I mean,
but these are all really good shows that you probably
just haven't heard of, or some of you have but

(01:04:48):
we're proud to have some of them. We just want
you to take some time check them all out. We've
got a Facebook group, bomb pod Media. Look us up
the Facebook page and check out the shows and you
can interact with all of us at one time.

Speaker 4 (01:05:00):
Yeah. Fun.

Speaker 2 (01:05:01):
Okay, So now let's bring on one of my favorite
guests that we've ever had on, mister Russ McCamey. I
think you guys are gonna love this and this should
answer most, if not all, of your questions about mccamie maner. Okay,
I gotta be honest, I have never really been as
excited about having a guest on, and we've had some

(01:05:23):
pretty cool ass guests, but I've never been as excited
to have this one on. We've got the man, the
legend of mccamee manor mister Russ McCamey. Russ, thank you
so much for giving us some time.

Speaker 3 (01:05:37):
Hey, hey, my pleasure. Man, I'm glad to be here.
Just let all your fans know I'm actually in a
car driving right now, so I get some funky receptions,
you know what's going on.

Speaker 2 (01:05:51):
Well, they're they're very legnient, so I'm sure they'll be happy.
Uh to get any version they can of you, so
they'll be happy.

Speaker 3 (01:05:57):
All right, all right, we'll give them a good here version,
hopefully tonight, and we'll talk about some of the miss
and all the misinformation and uh, let's get some fans
out to the hunt.

Speaker 2 (01:06:09):
That's what I'm saying. We're uh, and we're going to
be in an area obviously where we got a lot
of listeners in your area, so it should work out
pretty well.

Speaker 3 (01:06:18):
Yeah, absolutely absolutely.

Speaker 2 (01:06:20):
So let's talk a little bit about you, h. Russ.
First of all, you're retired Navy, so I want to
thank you for your service.

Speaker 3 (01:06:28):
Oh sure, you've had my pleasure.

Speaker 2 (01:06:31):
Tell me a little bit about you. I know you've
got the Navy. I know you've done you know, wedding
singer as part of your arsenal of skills. You've done
a little bit of movies and stuff like that. Tell
me a little bit about what you've done in the
past and how that led to you starting mccaine's manner.

Speaker 3 (01:06:48):
Yeah, sure, sure, sure, Well you know I've been been
doing showbiz type stuff like forever. That's what my h
A big thrill life is. It's just the entertains didn't
matter whether I was doing a haunt of one bedroom
apartment or when I was out to see for all

(01:07:09):
those years I did twenty three years in the Navy,
and seventeen of those was out to see floating around,
So I was even doing haunts underway for the cruise.
That was pretty fun actually, And then you know, I
was a theater arts major in school. Acting always sudden
breaking the show biz. I was part of a casting

(01:07:30):
agency in my high school. Is doing a lot of
extra work in Hollywood. So that's kind of been my thing.
But my big thing that I love to do is is, well,
my big hobby of passion is movies. I've always been
a big movie fan of those movies in the forties, fifties, sixties, seventies,

(01:07:53):
you know, like a lot of film Norse type stuff,
a lot of shadowing and cool lighting and black and white.
Just a big thing out of that kind of thing.
So as soon as I was able to appreciate filmmaking
and appreciate haunts, there's kind of a natural tendency to
kind of put those two things together, and that's kind

(01:08:15):
of how that all took off. And that's really my
biggest pleasure. I tell everybody who's going through through the
haunt you're my star or making a movie about you.
It's all about the movie. You'll hear you say that
a billion times to somebody, you know. Now, that doesn't
mean that anything is stage. There's not one thing is
fake in the films. But I'm definitely looking for those

(01:08:38):
magic Kodak moments that we can get for real, and
I think they kind of come across accurately and genuine
because you can't fake that kind of fear and terror.
So either it's really happening or it's not. In the
beauty of mcaining Manners that it happens in a safe

(01:08:58):
environment of where you actually really do live your own
horror movie. And you know where else can you say
that takes place? I don't know many. So that's the
beauty of the Manners being able to create that revival
horror challenge for people to enjoy and plush their limits
and be a movie star for a day. And I

(01:09:22):
absolutely love it.

Speaker 2 (01:09:24):
Well, obviously, you know, the mccamie manor doesn't come without
its share of controversy, and we're going to get into
that a little bit later, but first I want you
to kind of talk about how it started. You correct
me if I'm wrong here, but I believe it started
in San Diego in approximately nineteen eighty nine or somewhere
in that vicinity. Am I correct on that?

Speaker 3 (01:09:45):
Well, Actually it started before that in other sites where
I was at. It just wasn't as well known. So
it started in marinal Value I had a house out there.
It started in and Hammett when I had a house
out there. It didn't matter. Again where I was, there

(01:10:06):
was a bikini manner, it just wasn't well known like
it is. So I guess you could say the true
start of it was the about nineteen eighty nine or
so in San Diego when I bought my lap hounds,
at least the one that had, you know, before we
moved out here in Tennessee. And so yeah, that's accurate.

(01:10:31):
That's when we started getting a little bit of a
publicity and we started making things on a larger scale
and started getting the all the neighborhood folks involved. And
then that was a fun part. Those are a very
fun haunt because we would used all the neighborhood kids
as actors, and then once they grew up, we had

(01:10:51):
the new new stage of kids coming in and taking
their spot as they went went out to college, we'd
have all the parents involved, so you know, but it
was a natural progression for it to kind of become
what it is now because the fact that you know,
I always like to try to up the ante every
single year and I never want to stay stack meant

(01:11:15):
because of that, you always have to think of, right,
what new, wild, crazy things can we do to involve
the audience. And I have no lack you know, I
don't have any lack of ideas, lots of ideas voting
around there. That wasn't the problem. And it's just a
matter of you know, working that fine line and seeing
what the audience really appreciated, what they liked, because I

(01:11:38):
took a lot of input from the folks going through
and they really like to be involved. And that's when
the big old light bulb went off, like, well, okay,
let's keep this thing going. And I was always doing
saying things out of the box. It didn't matter, you know. Again,
wherever was Thatt, it was never a standard boo Haunt.

(01:12:00):
It was always very cinematic, very theatrical. But it did
get to be you know, more aggressive, more interactive as
years been on. And again, if you just look at
the at the pathway of what we did from way
back there in eighty nine to what it is now.

(01:12:20):
It's kind of like it makes sense. You can go, like, okay,
so you bump it up five percent and eighty nine,
then another five and ninety and then another five and
ninety one, and it just makes sense to where it
is where it is now. It couldn't really stop, you know,
once you started the ball down that hill, they couldn't
really pull it back because the audience didn't want us

(01:12:43):
to pull it back. The audience loves that stuff and
they love all the interactivity. So it's just, you know,
the thing I wonder is of where is it going
to be five years from now? You know, I'm kind
of at not really a maxed out level, but I'm
at a level where I have to really try to
go bigger and better. And that's what I did in Tennessee.

(01:13:04):
I mean, we're definitely bigger and better now than we
ever were in San Diego because I have such a
huge amount of property in other locations in Alabama as
well to work with, and I never had that option
to San Diego. So I've got a big palette for
me to play with, and it is at a much

(01:13:25):
larger scale and I have room to grow now. I
have you know, several acres on each location to deal with,
and that's exciting to me that I have that type
of foundation. Now the question is, as well, the city
and the county you know, keep it from me. Will

(01:13:46):
they somehow shut me down? Because that's what they're trying
to do. So will I be able to continue the haunts?
That's the question that I cannot answer. You're doing everything
under the sun to get us out of town, shut
the heart down legally, and just really on the scummy side.

(01:14:07):
They're trying to do some really funny things, but they
really want us gone and they're going to do whatever
they can do to make that happen. So it's kind
of matter of who's gonna win out on this, on
this scum of shove scenario that I got thrown into.
And you know, the real diehard haters, they're like, we

(01:14:29):
don't care what we got to do. You will not
survive out here, you know, they said that, you know,
a thousand times, but they're not going to give up.
And it just depends upon uh, you know, how much
pushing and it just really depends upon the galilees of
the situation. They're trying to make up rules. They're trying

(01:14:51):
to basically, you know, petition, add new agendas, add new
eat this for us legally to keep us from running
a not a business. They are not a business for
me running my personal hobby on my personal land. They

(01:15:13):
are in you know, they're they're trying to, uh make
that legal scenario to where I can't do that. That's
really unheard of. I mean, this is America, this is
you know for some Amendment rights and everything. But they're
doing all they can within the community and within the
government to make up legal new rules that stop this

(01:15:37):
guy Russ McCamy from pursuing my hobby. When when it
really makes you know, said, is that they're spending all
this time and energy on me when they have real
issues my friends out there and that part of the county.
They have a huge drug problem, a metal problem. They

(01:15:58):
got they got sexual old fenders out there, a lot
of them. They've got a lot of unsold murders going on.
They've got fifteen people that just vanished. They have some
real issues. And if you really are here about protecting kids,
why not put your time and energy against all those

(01:16:19):
meat flaps about the sexual predators out there, about all
the you know, why don't you find Baker and find
those missing kids and the missing adults that just don't
that just finish where it's like, boy, you don't know
what happened to them? You know, why don't they spend
their resources on that type of stuff, on something that's
real and not trying to get a Bakesdale with the church,

(01:16:44):
to earn money to hire a lawyer, to get little
old Russ mccami out of town, something that's entertainment, something
that's not reality. Because my friend, there is a lot
of really sincere there's a really bad thing that don't
on out there, the really ugly things to where it
makes me want to, you know, vomit, and people are

(01:17:07):
not up in arms about that type of thing, but
they're up in arms about Mchenie Manner and myself. That
makes me sick to my stomach, and it makes Folly
want to leave. Every day I have to try to
convince her to hang around one more day. She wants
the heck out of this place. She cannot believe that

(01:17:28):
people are really like that, that they're that back, would
that they would actually spend this much time an effort
on something that's not real when you have kids getting hurt.
I mean, like, I got a real problem with with
the Child Protective Service of Tennessee. And it's not called

(01:17:49):
stef stall something else the same thing. You know, these
these folks are letting abuse children go back to their families,
the ones who are affusing them. And when I asked them,
how could you possibly do that? I asked the doctor,
I ask some high people in a leadership here, they say, well,
beat us. Still, that is better that those kids are

(01:18:11):
with their family. I'm saying, the family is the one
who's specually accusing them. You're letting these people go back,
letting his kids go back to these families. That is
absolutely insane. And when I push the issues, like well,
there's only that much we can do, I said, of
course there is. You take it to a higher level,
you take it to the government. And this doctor I

(01:18:34):
taught to do was like, well, you know, we see
these cases all the time, but really all I can
do is give it to the GPS. I go, that's crazy.
Why would you not take it to another level? Well,
that's just not our job. So that kind of mentality
makes me stick to my stomach because there is nothing
more important in my world than protecting children. And how

(01:18:58):
about putting your reason sources. You know, this town, stop
against fighting me and other unrealistic things. Let's protect the children.
How about that? And if you did bad, things have
to get a thousand percent better for everybody. So yeah,
this whole thing makes me sick my stomach. And again

(01:19:19):
I'm having a hard time in the holly even here
because she can't stand it because of that type of attitude.
And I agree, you know, I agree. It's it's disgusting
and it's sick, and you know, people can hate me
all they want, but I will protect the children with
all my heart and soul and all I have to

(01:19:41):
other people to protect children as well. And I'm not
seeing it. I'm not, you know, I know for a
fact it's not as it's not a happening to the
degree that I should be, and that to me is
the biggest prime of all. Sorry about my rent there,
I kind of got on my soap box, but I
feel very strongly about the protection of children, and when

(01:20:03):
I don't see that happening to the utmost, and when
I see them spending resources about trying to get out
and kick me out of town who I was, the
good guys, And that makes me sick that they're trying
to do that. And you know, just one final thing
where I let you get in there talking to again.
I'm sorry, but I would put up my resume as

(01:20:26):
a person, as a you know, I would put up
my morals and values. And I'm not saying that, mister Goodygould,
but i would put up my resume about what I've
done in this world, that's been on this earth for
fifty eight years, against all those haters any day of
the week. Let's see if they can compete. Let's see
if they're really walking the walk, because I don't think

(01:20:48):
they are. It's not what I've seen, and that makes
me sick as well. You know, a lot of folks
don't realize I was again military for twenty three years.
After that, I worked for as a veteror's advocate for
to say, for thirteen years I took care of rescuing animals.
That's been my passion, his rescue rescue dogs. You know,

(01:21:09):
I've never been drunk in my life. I've never had
a cigarette, never had a cup of coffee, never had
a red bull. I don't cuss, you know sometimes for
the shows. But I'm one of the good guys that
was not as straight lace as you're gonna get. And
these rascals are painting me out to be this crazy
psychopath monster and that turns my stomach as well. That's

(01:21:32):
what me. But I'll put up my portfolio'll get theirs
any day in the week and let's see who comes
up clean because I have no skeletons in my closet.
I'm a straight lace, very conservative guy, and you know,
doing the kind of stuff that they're doing, all these
search groups and other people that are so Christian, that

(01:21:54):
just really upsets me a lot. Again, use that time
and effort, use that to protect children. Don't go on
to Falster say it against against an entertainer. That's just
disgusting to me. Use what you've got, use your bakestales,
use that money. You're trying to get me out of town,
and let's help out some abused children. Let's do that.

(01:22:18):
But they don't though. So Yeah, I again't sorry for
rating or rating, but that really really upsets me.

Speaker 2 (01:22:26):
That's okay, Let's let's talk a little bit about why
you have so many haters, and some of it obviously
is going to be misconception, which I'm sure you'll be
the first to step up and say that's the case.
But let's cover a couple of things. Let's go back
to the days of when this really became popular in
San Diego and in later times, you've got a very

(01:22:50):
long waiver that people have to sign. I've heard anything
from I guess it's probably evolved over time, but I've
heard everything from thirty to forty pages, three to four
hours worth. They're sitting down face to face with you
going over this waiver. Is that correct?

Speaker 3 (01:23:05):
That is absolutely correct. It's about forty pages long and
you hit it on the nose three or four hours
going through it. But there's a reason I do that.
But go ahead and continue on and we'll talk about
that as well.

Speaker 2 (01:23:17):
Okay, now, initially and it's still the same. There was
never any cost to enter. I know, back in the
San Diego days, you were asking for dog food donations,
and then I think in the newest haunt now it's
just pretty much if somebody wants to offer up a
monetary donation, but they're not you know, required to do so.
But it's never been any actual cost to ever do

(01:23:40):
the Haunt, and I think that people feel like that
it's a way to lure them in because there's no cost,
and they feel like that it's and I'm just going
off not my personal feelings, it's not my belief, but
people out there feel like that you're a sadist and
you love the fact of being able to legally torture people,

(01:24:03):
and you use that waiver to be able to put
that within your legal rights. There's horror stories out there us,
whether they're true or not true, the stories are out
there of people saying, you know, they went through the
Haunt and they were choked, unconscious, they've had broken noses,
that the reconstructive surgery.

Speaker 3 (01:24:22):
They've been.

Speaker 2 (01:24:24):
You know, tortured beyond belief within the legal means, with
no legal recourse because they signed a waiver and they
weren't fully told the honest truth of what was going
to happen when they got in there. What is your
response to that?

Speaker 3 (01:24:41):
Sure? All right, So first off, you gotta speak. Everybody
right now needs to put on their little kicking caps
in their logic cap And this is because if we've
been doing a show for sixty odd years. In the
extreme methods, people have to use their logic and say,

(01:25:04):
why has there never been any legitimate lawsuits against or
any lawsuit period against kny Man or why has there
never been legal law enforcement issues within mkainy manor And
if you're really logical, you're gonna think, Wow, maybe there's

(01:25:26):
more to the story than what the Internet has to stay,
Because again, a logical person is gonna understand that, whether
you sign a contract or not, if there is legitimate
torture going on, if somebody is legitimately getting harmed, that
is illegal, and I don't care where you're at in

(01:25:47):
the world, law enforcement would come in and poop that
person away and take them off to the little nearest
jail in their area. But that's what people kind of
forget about. Look the reality of what it really is.
If that was happening, I would not be allowed to
run my shows effort. I'd be gone. I'd be locked

(01:26:09):
up years and years ago. So we need to look
at the reality and not what Internet has to stay.
And I really don't mind what the Internet has a stake.
That just spins people up that much more. It makes
the manner that much more interesting. Now let's look at this.
Every single moment I have with a contestant, what do

(01:26:32):
I do, whether it be interviews or skyping. We all know,
or you should nobody else that I film every single interaction.
Now why do I do that? I do that to
protect myself. So if anybody ever comes back within a
hysterical state and starts claiming these crazy things about Mkamie

(01:26:54):
manor I can come and say, well, let's look at
the raw footage, because again everything is on the table,
there's nothing hidden. List look and see what really took place, Okay,
And I've done that on numerous occasions where somebody has
said that we've abused them, they've been this, they've been bad,

(01:27:16):
and I'll come over with law enforcement. I'll come visit
me and I'll say, here it is. Here's the actual fleet,
five hour, six hour show, not your stop out. Look
at it all you want. And every single time they've
done that, the big yep nothing here, big old nothing
burger that did not take place. So that's why I

(01:27:39):
film every single time I have any kind of interaction
at all with these individuals. And it seems funny to me,
but they like forget that I have all this footage.
The ones that claim these horrible things, they forget that
all on film, and maybe maybe they don't realize it.

(01:28:00):
They just in their state of mind they're like, I
don't care, We're going to go after this anyways. I'm
mad I didn't make it all the way and whatever
the case may need. But again putting on your on
your logic gaps. If there was something truly going on,
you know that law enforcement would shut me down faster

(01:28:20):
than you can bleak an eye, because they would love
nothing more than that. I have been pulled that by
numerous law enforcement officials, including the people out here in
my county. It's been it's with it's with no hidden
photos about what they take and what they feel about

(01:28:40):
the manner I have been told and out of doubt,
if anything is out of line, they will come and
take me away, and they will throw me in jail
and poss away that key I be. They have not
mixed those bones whatsoever, so I know exactly where they stand.
And that's why I do things legally, and that's why

(01:29:03):
I'm smart about what I do and I don't boss
that line even though these crazy eaters may think us
going on again, put your legal cap on, put that
logic cap on. It's clearly if those things were happening,
I could have be sitting here talking to you right now.
And you know that's the biggest thing. A waiver expel. Look,

(01:29:27):
a waiver's a waiver a truth. If a crime really
happened with a waiver between you and me. Waiver doesn't
mean daily slot if a crime really took place. But
what the waiver does do is it shows that contested
every single thing that could happen to them. I don't

(01:29:51):
hide anything. And that's why it takes three to four
hours to go through. If they're going to read every
single line out loud, corded, I'm going to tell them.
I'm going to try to convince them for those four
hours that they're with me that you really don't want
to do this. You'll hear me say that until I'm
blue in the face. Look, get on your bike, hitt in

(01:30:12):
your car, get the heck out of dodge, just turn
around and call it a day. You really don't want
to do this. And I'll say that over and over
and over and they're like, yeah, dude.

Speaker 5 (01:30:24):
Is that dude?

Speaker 3 (01:30:24):
You know you've all heard it. We've all seen it.
But they're going to know every single activity, They're going
to know every single stunt. They're going to know everything.
That's why they don't come back and make a fuss
because they know that I know that they knew what

(01:30:46):
was going on and that they agreed to every single
line in that waiver. Now, nobody else does that type
of precaution other than the canie manner, And nobody does
such a a background check and spreading on people. You
just don't walk into bikinie manner. You gotta be elected.

(01:31:08):
You got to jump through a lot of hoops to
get here. And again, but that logic gap on. So
if I'm asking each person to get a letter from
their doctor, a letter from a psychologist that states that
they're physically mentally cleared, participate, I mean, first off, nobody

(01:31:30):
in the world does that for any attraction. Don't care
it's a haunted house or skydiving. Nobody does that. Only
a bikini manner. Why, because I go way and above
any kind of precaution is to protect them, to protect me.
And so besides the medical screening, the letters saying they're

(01:31:54):
good to go, they have to have a background check.
Who does that nobody if I do a criminal background
check to make sure that there's nothing fishy going on
with that individual, and the kind of things I'm looking
for are serious issues, you know, the kind of things
that again, sexual assaults. That's type of saying, you know,

(01:32:15):
no something away for the first plank that get anywhere
near a kaving manner. And after that, they got to
be screened by me, of course, and I got to
go through that whole process to make sure that the
right kind of candidate for that. And then they have
to prove they have health insurance just in case anything

(01:32:36):
ever did happen. We want to make sure we can
take to the nearest you know er and get them
taken care of. That's never happened, of course, but as
it did, you want to make sure we even do
a drug streaming. On the day of the tour, you
do a suab drug test to make sure they are
totally clear, nothing in their system, and there's no other

(01:32:58):
attraction in the world that makes people jump to those
kind of hoops. And then last, not least, they're gonna
sign that forty page waiver of where truly, my friends,
they really know what's going on, and you know, some
of that waiver is out on line that Errol put
out there just to be kind of mean and nasty

(01:33:20):
to do that out there. It's an old waiver, but
I leave it there because, yeah, go ahead and take
a look at what's some of what's in there. It's
a lot longer than it is now, but you can
see it's very detail, but you can see that everybody
is going to really have a good understanding of what
that situation that they're getting into is. So nobody is

(01:33:41):
being forced to come here. They jump through hoops, they
pay a lot of money to get here, they buy
their airline ticket, they get their hotels, they get their
rent cars. There's just something that these individuals really work
to do. And they're not just people that were grabbing
off the street. So this is a whole different kind

(01:34:01):
of a breed of in. You know, reallin junkies and
thrill seekers, not like you and me. I don't want
to do this for I mean, I love building it,
and I've tried out all the stunts, but medically I
would not need their requirements. I've had brain surgery two
times the last six years. I got all these you know,

(01:34:23):
plates in my head I've had a stroke, I've had
speizures all due to the brain surgery where I can't
get my head rattled about. But so I wouldn't qualify medically.
But you know, we also dig all these safe precautions
for people. We make them wear helmets, they're wearing their gloves,
they're wearing knee pads, body armor. Whatever they want to

(01:34:44):
do to make them feel safe and cozy, they can do.
But we're going well and above the you know what
we can do to help these folks out and to
make sure that everything is on the up and up.
And I would challenge anybody out there to find any
of the establishment that goes to those links to actually

(01:35:08):
keep their patron safe. I'm telling you that nobody does that.
And that's why we haven't had lawsuits because think about it,
those people who make those complaints against me, why they're
not suing me again a wayver doesn't do anything. Come on,
we're all smart enough. We're gonna use that put our
little taps on again. We're all smart enough to know

(01:35:29):
that if somebody has really hurt, really insured, they can sue,
can you know, call the police, They can do all
that stuff. So you got to ask yourself, why is
that not happening? Because all that stuff, all that junk,
is not reality. But does that make interesting fodder, interesting

(01:35:50):
read for the average folk? It does, But it also
you'd be proposed the pies. How many people believe it,
including people in high positions who believe what they read
on the internet leave what they see, And that, to
me is the most mind boggling thing of all how

(01:36:11):
educated people and actually get suckered in and believe these
crazy stories. I mean, like we've all been told a
million times, do you really believe everything you read? Do
you really do that? And I guess they kind of do.
You know, I've got I got such a half a
lot here. You know, they even cancel my homeowners and

(01:36:34):
students because I'm a Canie man or you know who's
been targeted like that. That's crazy. And then when I
contacted all the other insurance companies in the town, They're like, Nope,
we're not talking to you. We're hang up click click
click click click. So it's kind of like a U,
I'm not going to be a conspiracist there, but these
folks are talking to one another and they're trying to

(01:36:57):
make things as difficult as possible for me, but I'm
not going to let them win. I'll get things figured out.
You know. But if you've had that kind of situation
going in your life, you probably wouldn't be too happy
about it. And and that's not even you know, count
all the numerous death threat we've got. You know, would

(01:37:18):
you like that if your family was threatened, your your
house was, you know, threatened to get burned down? Southernjustice,
We're going to come up behind you and pop you
in the head. You're not going to know. And again,
these things started from the leadership of this county. These
things started from the county commissioners who put out a

(01:37:38):
big old Facebook page in other places about a community alert.
A community alert, it's something that you do for you know,
convicted feelings are coming in and living in your neighborhood.
They did a community alert against a little low rough
and it's make believe on a house where they put

(01:37:59):
out my phonemer my address. They put out directions to
how to get through where I'm at. They put out
messages like you go see him, you tell them what
you want. You get him out of town. Let's set
him down, you know, pitchforks are burnings. I mean, who
does that? And as far as I'm concerned, that's pretty
illegal to put that target on my back. But that's

(01:38:21):
what these folks have done, and they continue to do it.
And what do I do In response? I'm like, you
know what, all you haters, here's my phone number. Y'all
know my address that was put out by your officials.
Why don't you all come and see me? An you
come and visit old Me and Russ a big bad wolf,

(01:38:42):
and let's have a conversation. Let's talk, and let's find
out what the reality of this really is. And none
of them will talk to me. All these folks that
make death threats against myself and Holly, none of them
will come forth. And that's just shows kind of caliberl
caliber individuals that these people are because I invite them.

(01:39:05):
And now to be on the on the other side,
I've had a lot of fans come to the house
and say, hey, I just want to give you the support,
want to Meetia, you know, and they take videos of
me and they do interviews. You know. It's funny. The
only reason why I was able to talk to the
leadership because I sried for for the longest time, like,

(01:39:25):
all you folks out there who are saying all these
horrible things about me leadership wise, why don't you talk
to me find out what really is happening. But they wouldn't.
It wasn't until I had two young kids, a couple
of I don't know, knife breakers, come out here and
take a video interview of me and post it and
went kind of viral, and then those those officials really

(01:39:48):
got the heat. Like you guys kidding either, Like so
these two young kids go out there and talk to us.
You guys came and talk to them, that's pretty amazing.
So it wasn't until that's the came out that they decided, well,
I guess we've got to talk to them a little bit,
straighten this mess out. But you know, to me, that's
the typical and epitome of an l C, and an

(01:40:11):
l C stands for low information crowd, and you know,
don't be don't be fooled, don't be fooled. I get
a lot of private messages saying, Russ, you need to
really watch out. You are making waves around here, and
this is something that they don't put up with. We've

(01:40:32):
had people disappeared without a trace. We've had things that
happened magically, and don't be shocked if you're one of
those individuals. So all your listeners out there, don't be
shocked if one day Russ is gone or Russ is dead.
You know, it all sounds pretty crazy, but if you've

(01:40:53):
seen the kind of death threats that I've received, you
would go, holy shit, let's be moved, let me out
of this place. But if I'm the opposite, I'm gonna
stay here, I'm gonna fight it, and I'm just gonna
do what I do. And if that happens in my world,
still be it. If someone takes me out, still be it.

(01:41:13):
But I just want all you fans out there listen
to that and be aware that this is real people.
This is not some made up delusion I'm having here.
This is how serious this can escalate too, And just
think about it. If you were in my shoes, what
would you do? And so it's it's fascinating. But the

(01:41:34):
only good thing about being a semi celebrity in the
hot world is that if I do end up going missing,
and I think they might think twice about doing something
like that, only because I am kind of well known
I'm not just some guy off the street, but I
could be totally wrong, and therefore they could be like,
I don't care who he is. If they don't want

(01:41:54):
me around, they don't want me around. So you know,
it is scary. But again, if you if you've heard
seeing the things that I've seen, threats against my family
that's off of me in the house and Holly and
all that, you'd be uh be concerning as well. I
can promise you that, well, let.

Speaker 2 (01:42:13):
Me let me play Devil's advocate with something, and notice
that I don't condone any of that. I can't imagine
anything that anybody's done that's, you know, short of child
molestation or something that would warrant anything like that. So
I mean, what what you're doing doesn't warrant anything like that.
But I know some of the things. I mean, you
paint the picture of you're an entertainer. You're giving the

(01:42:35):
people what they want, which is fine. Let's go back
to San Diego because we're going to get into your
your moves here in just a second. But let's go
back to San Diego. I think what a lot of
people are are concerned and base their opinions are is
during your time there, there was no safe word, it
didn't matter. From my understanding, you were the person who

(01:42:58):
made the call when they were done, and there were
several I've read somewhere. How accurate is I'm not sure
that over twenty different points during the haunt that were
set up to physically and mentally break you down, and
you were the want to decided you've had enough, and
it didn't depend on the person at all. And I
think if that's accurate, and only you can tell me that,

(01:43:21):
that is where the people's opinion of this guy's a
sadist and it's not entertainment when it starts becoming a
legalized torture for his pleasure, and I think that's where
most of the hate comes from.

Speaker 3 (01:43:35):
All right, So to dress that again, we're gonna put
our logic caps on it again. Here. Who makes the
movies I do? Who edits the films I do? Who
suits the films I do? So as a filmmaker, my
job is to make it as scaring as possible. My

(01:43:56):
job is to make people spun up. Is freak they
and I'm real good at doing that. Now, if I
just show the footage of us giving you a break
and feeding your gatorade and water and giving you know,
making sure this and that is happening. Would that be scary?
Probably not. So you got to understand that if you saw.

(01:44:17):
And that's why again, when law enforcement sees the raw footage,
they're seeing things other than what you're seeing. Because if
that was really happening, think about it. If that was
really if I was really holding somebody against their will honestly,
then I guess what would happen. I'd be in jail
right now. So all those folks who are like using

(01:44:41):
that as their as their as their pointer about all this,
they need to go the wait a second. If Russ
was honestly torturing them in this, in these breakers and
refusing to let them go, holy could the police would
be all over that. So that's the reality of That's

(01:45:03):
law enforcement job is to protect an individual, and I
would expect that they would do that, and of course
they would. So there's more to the story, obviously, and
I'm glad that my films are effective enough to make
you believe what you want to believe. That's awesome. There's

(01:45:23):
also again things in the waiver that state that do
you want to say praise no, I do not. Do
you want to be pushed all the way until we
decide that you had enough? Yes, you are in control
of this. And if you saw the waiver, you would
see that time and time. Now, this is the first
San Diego. Time and time and time again, you're going

(01:45:46):
to see us in there saying you're asking that question.
When when do you want us to stop? You want
to stop when you say stop? Or do you want
to be pushed and challenged and work out those fears?
What do you want to do? And one hundred percent
of them all said the same thing, And again maybe
we have it in writing in on film, Russ, you

(01:46:08):
continue with what you're doing. I'm here and pushed in challenge.
Do not just let me quit, because I know I will.
I'll get scared and I'm gonna want out of there.
I'm not flying all the way from kuwait for you
to say, oh, you're done, You're out of here now.
In saying that, why hasn't anybody ever been injured? Because

(01:46:30):
if I was truly holding people to such a degree
back in saying diego, there would have been so many injuries,
a near deaths, There would have been so much to
any problems going on that again, I'd be locked away
if those things were truly happening. So again logic dictates that, well,

(01:46:52):
what is reality is it? Is there misinformation being put
out maybe on purpose? Maybe? Is is there a lot
of spin happening here to get people talking and agitated?
Maybe you know, is there a certain way that we're
making the films to really bring out the terror and

(01:47:13):
look a certain way? Yeah? Possibly, But again the logic
is if it wasn't that, and if things were really
were that severe in San Diego, I would be locked
up right now, and so to everybody else because the
waiver is not going to keep illegal activities from the police,

(01:47:33):
and that's not going to protect me in the court
of law. Illegal activities, it's not going to happen. So
people need to understand that I'm in control of the
spin and how they see things. And I find it
really amusing. I fit back and kind of giggle up
myself that how many people fall for some of the

(01:47:58):
misinformation that may leaks out, and how will it go,
where will it be leaked to? How fun? You know,
the newspapers get it, media gets it, and I'm kind
of I got to sit and giggle and go, Wow,
they're pretty gullible. They are. Actually, this is pretty amusing
to see me kind of like as a puppet master

(01:48:20):
with some people that you think were to have enough
knowledge and enough education behind and to get what I'm doing.
I would like everybody in your audience to look up
a guy named William Castle. William Castle, he was a
director and producer of films and attractions back in the

(01:48:43):
fifties and sixties. Great guy, and I kind of face
myself off of William Castle. There's even a really good
documentary for your fans to look up if you have
if you're a fan of horror, look this documentary ups
called it. It's called The Spine Kinglers and what William
Castle did. And he is the master of spin in

(01:49:06):
a low budget way. He was like a low budget
Alfred Hitchcock. And he did, like some of your fans
will be he did the original talis on Haunted Hill
with his surprise, he did the Kingler. He did he
actually did Rosemary's Baby. That was gonna be his big
leap into the eight titles, but he was taken off

(01:49:28):
the director status and then with somebody else. But he
did a lot of those types of films. But he
did it in such a way seven Ghosts and whatever.
He did it in such a way that he would
do a lot of audience participation within the actual theater,
like he put buzzers under the seat of the theaters.

(01:49:51):
So when the theater went dark and this whole called Kingler,
which was his wordy looking device, came out and so
called escaped in the thea. So he doesn't and going
off and people who think that the Tindler's right there, now,
did they really think? That's probably not, But it was
the illusion of it all, and that's what he would

(01:50:11):
do in all these theaters, and it was it was
so inventive that nobody else has really done it since.
And it's fascinating. And that's kind of what I do.
But in a social media environment, so you know, again
if people can think all the crazy, but he has

(01:50:32):
to again put logic into it and think, if any
of that it's really true, I would be in jail.
I would be arrested, and I'm not and I haven't been.
And that's kind of, you know, kind of where that stands.

Speaker 2 (01:50:48):
Let me let me ask you about one. I won't
even say it's a rumor because I don't know if
it's a rumor of fact. Uh, so you can clear
this up. People say, well, he's not charging anything to
get into this place. He's gotta have something that's got
to have something to gain from it. So what I
have heard on a couple of different aspects is that
there is a live feed going to Vegas and some

(01:51:09):
kind of illegal gambling or something of that nature. Is
there any truth to add at all?

Speaker 3 (01:51:15):
Not out here. There is no live feed in gold Tennessee.
I can tell you that. I don't want to get
too deep into it, but I can tell you again
on the legalities of it. If I was accepting any
money from any kind of gambling source being in California,

(01:51:35):
I would be arrested in two seconds. That is absolutely
illegal in anybody. The authorities I'm talking about, because I'll
be an open book, I've got to you know, FBI
has a folder on the High ERF. I've heard stories
with dirs, local police. Everybody has got a file on
good old mccainie manner because they're like, oh my god,

(01:51:57):
something's got to be going on there. So they looked
into all that as well, and if there was anything
illegal happening then I would be paying the price for that,
because that is a total, big time illegal operation. If
I was gaining money from any kind of wagers, is

(01:52:19):
not going to happen. So when people say, well, why
is he doing it? I mean he's got to be
a psycho to be doing this. Because I have spent
nearly a million dollars of my own money on building
this the world's most extreme attraction. It's like, why would
he do that? That makes no sense. And if you

(01:52:40):
sit back and look at it, you're right, that makes
absolutely the zero sense. Unless this happens to be somebody's passion,
and their passion is to build, to design, to put
together a show, to entertain, to act, And then some
of might go, oh it, So it really isn't about

(01:53:02):
the money. Wow. I mean they're thinking, well, I'm not
that way. I wouldn't do this without making money on it.
But there's that there's a small core people out there
who are that committed to their passion that money is
an option. For example, I've been offered countless television shows,
everything from Seed of Sci Fi Channel to year Rustle Studios.

(01:53:25):
I've been offered a legit weekly television series where I
could make a ton of money. Now I've turned them
all down. And why is that. They're like, yeah, have
a rush, you can. We're offering you this and now
you can become a millionaire. But I've said no. Why
have I said no? Because the magic is more important

(01:53:47):
to me than making money. I've never been about making money.
I'm about keeping the illusion alive. All these shows that
wanted to do, you know, these weekly reality shows of
me that will to ruin the magic that would have
been they would have been behind the scenes type of
a show, and all the nonsense would have been revealed

(01:54:10):
in all the mystery. They would go, oh, well is
that it is? That how he does it well? But
that's not scary. So for me, it's not worth it.
I would rather keep the world, and it literally is
the world spun up, questioning me all upset all I rate.
That is more entertaining to me than all the money

(01:54:34):
in the world. To be able to sit back and
again be that little puppet master and watch everybody else
just lose their mind over what I'm doing is extremely
entertaining because it's really something to be able to take
a mom and pop little operation like what I have

(01:54:54):
and design these rooms, design the entire shuttle and make
it actually work, and worked to set a degree that
the whole world is talking about it, and that I
have a legacy set and stone that it's gonna be
here long after I'm dead and gone. People are still
gonna be talking about that urban legend, the tiny Manor

(01:55:17):
was that really true? Did that really go on? To
people really win a thousand dollars if they completed it?
This was that? And that's awesome to think that I've
created something that people are still going to be talking about,
you know again, long after I'm buried in the ground
or hopefully put me in some plun in a hell

(01:55:38):
someplace and almost be kind of sitting there waving up people.
So that's a really cool thing to say that I've
accomplished that. I'm real proud of that. I'm really proud
that I have built something that will test test time. Now,
on the same hand, I'm the dumbest, the absolute dumbest

(01:56:00):
businessman in the world because I've spent all this money
and I've never made a pinny. How stupid is that?
So you've got to be either really dumb or you
have to be really passionate about about your craft and
the passion comes first before any kind of financial gain.

(01:56:23):
And you know, all you folks listening right now, what
would you have done? Which you're taking a million dollars
to do a show, or would you stuck to your
your guns to say, you know what about the money? Yeah,
I'm broke, Yeah I'm living a trailer. Yeah I got bills.
But I'm not going to sell out. Instead of selling out,
I'm going to stay true to who I really am.

(01:56:45):
So all those folks out there listening and judging me,
you know, what would you have done? Because all right, no,
my answer, I've already done it time and time again,
and I'll continue to do that. I am. I am
loyal to what I am. I am loyal to the Haunt,
and I'm not going to be a sellout. So people

(01:57:07):
can call that stupid, but you know, I look at
myself every day in the mirror, and I know what
kind of guy I am. I know that I'm doing
the right thing, and I know that I've got good
morals and values, and I don't have a skeleton in
my closet and I don't have a REFS records, and
I know I'm not a boozer or a druggie or whatever.

(01:57:27):
You know, I know these things. I know I help people,
I help children, I help veterans. I know what I've
done in my life. So I'm real proud of the
things I accomplished. And and it's going to say that way.
So money is not an oxer for me. Be nice
to have it, you know. You know, I live on
eight hundred dollars a month. That's all I get. Eight

(01:57:50):
hundred bucks a month. That comes from my military tension.
That is it. How many of these listeners out there
would be so you know, passionate about what they're doing,
that they're going, you know what, I'll live on eight
hundred bucks. Don't give me that million dollar contracts for
a TV show. Don't all live on eight hundred bucks
barely get by because I believe that much in what

(01:58:12):
I'm doing and I think it's the right thing to do. Well,
you're looking at one guy who lose it, eats it,
breeze it, and and I'm the real deal. And that's
kind of where I.

Speaker 2 (01:58:23):
Stand there, Russia. You close down the San Diego location
and you move it to Illinois. Is that was that
the next location? The Illinois location.

Speaker 3 (01:58:35):
No, I was still there shading. I was still in
San Diego. But I was offered a hunt at building
in the Plainsboro, Illinois. And they're just as crazy out
there as they are out here. I have not signed
the box anybody in the holy crud, you know. Again,
when you've seen the things I've seen, there's some serious,

(01:58:57):
serious issues going on. So I was offered a location
out there. I moved just one load of stuff out there,
and the town went ballistic, just like they do here.
They sot out the building, they sought out the windows.
We had new shoppers flying twenty four to seven. You
would think that there was a shape convict in the area.

(01:59:19):
Now they were, they were praying out in front of
the building. You know, get russ out of here on
their hands and knees. This to me is just insanity.
They were. They were slashing tires, they were vanalyzing vehicles,
and I'm like, you know what, this place is not
anywhere I want to be now. Luckily I didn't buy

(01:59:42):
any property and I was able to, you know, mosey
on out of there. Now. What the woman that that
gave us the gave us the building to use. What
she did do was really crappy. She wouldn't give me
back my equipment, and then she sued me for ten
thousand dollars saying that she wanted rent and all this.

(02:00:04):
And you know, it was there for like three months
in one little room, one little room, and so she
took me a small claims court. It cost me an
arm and it flipped a leg. I had to drive
out there like six times because every time I drove
out there to go to court, halfway through my drive
she had come up for some reason why she can't

(02:00:24):
show up. It was a big old scam, a big
old scam just to try to get money from me.
When finally I got there ten thousand dollars later of
spending my own money and a lawyer, the judge knew
the whole thing out in less than thirty seconds. I
didn't have to say a word. My lawyer didn't say
a word. The judge looked at this and said, this

(02:00:45):
is ridiculous. This is that nothing lossuit. You're just trying
to scam in the sky, and it was like, that's it.
So that's my one lawsuit right there, if you want
to call that a lawsuit. And so that was my
first installment with the Midwest, and you know, sorry to
say it's it's a lot of that is out here

(02:01:08):
as well, and it's disappointing because you think people are
going to be a little bit more on the ball
than that, and not signing of digital people, but man,
some of the some of the little things that you
you know, the clich as you hear about these kind
of locations. Unfortunately it's coming true and that's uh, and
that's frightening. So that was the first one. And then

(02:01:32):
we've been shut down in New York City. But we
had a couple of shows out there and lined up
with Dystopia, and they shut us down because again the
county commissioner saw my movies and based upon my movies,
they said, Katie Manor is not coming this. And then
there was Arizona, and Arizona was the same scenario where

(02:01:57):
the city got a hold of the film holds has said,
without a gain, without ever stepping foot in the haunt,
without seeing what we designed, without ever walking through it.
They based all this bigotry on my films and films
only in what they've read. And I heard it all, well,

(02:02:18):
I heard it this well, I heard it's that and
that's that alone makes people in authority, you know, we're
talking county commissioners and city officials go no way, that
won't be allowed here without again without even stepping into
the attractions and to see what it really is. To me,

(02:02:41):
that is the epitome of a low information person that
l I see and we come up with that time
and time again, and it's it's no different here. I've
got a woman across the street from me who's filed
a legal petitioning against me, slaving that you have chainsaws

(02:03:02):
running at all hours of the night, hearing people screaming
at two o'clock in the morning that they they're there,
people are being a woman is being dragged with a
chain hight around her neck by a vehicle. That people
are being inducted and taking into the house for who
knows what reason? That uh that clowns, that that we're

(02:03:26):
dressing up as clowns and going to their property all
hours of night and baby on the door. Uh what else?
That we're a business, a business, a business and we're
out of business. And then the best one of all
those two good ones that were a torture factory. I mean,
it doesn't just state that you know is this is
this stuff going on? It states in this legal ten

(02:03:46):
page letter that you are a torture factory. This is
what is happening. This is a fact. The biggest fact
that they try to put out there on paper is
that you are killing people. Okay, how do you deal
with a lawyer, deal with a professional who says you're

(02:04:08):
killing people and have it in writing. This is the
type of LC stuff that I have to go through
on a daily basis. It makes my head explode again
when they never even step foot and say, hey, neighbor,
my name is so and so, what's can we talk
about this? What's really going on? Can you show me around?

(02:04:32):
Of course they've never stepped a foot over here, and
they I've given my phone number. I've had media go
over and there or try and talk with them. I
was told not to that might get shot literally. But
how do you deal with that kind of mentality? You know,
my little brain can't wrap around it. And again, I'm

(02:04:53):
making a lot of enemies, but I'm telling you the
honest of God's truth. This is how it is. And
maybe some of your listeners going day right, that's the
way it should be. So they're justice. Yeah, yeah, there's
little getto there, but you know, my brain doesn't work
that way. And I'm all about talking to people, finding
out reality, finding out what people are really about, judging

(02:05:14):
people based upon their actions, not because of their race,
are their hobby or anything else, based upon their actual behavior.
And for this type of thing, all these hidden, secret
things going on around here, secret meetings, you know, trying
to have cake sales to get money enough to hire

(02:05:37):
a lawyer. I mean, this stuff is just something out
of like the movie's Footloose. That's what it feels like.
It feels like the movie Footloose, but for but for
a Haunter, it's just all my got it. It makes
me crazy. All right, I'm done with ret number three.
Go ahead.

Speaker 2 (02:05:54):
I know you didn't just compare yourself to Kevin Bacon,
but that's okay.

Speaker 3 (02:05:58):
Uh hey, then you haven't seen me dance.

Speaker 6 (02:06:00):
And I'll tell you what.

Speaker 3 (02:06:02):
And I've got a new movie be released here. This
is my first movie in nine months, and it's gonna
make people's heads explode again. But I want you to
watch it. I'll probably release it tonight and my YouTube
channel for all you YouTubers out there, it's McKinnie Manor Presents,

(02:06:22):
mccainie Manner Presents. If you just type of mccainie Manor,
you go to my own YouTube channel, which has been
hacked by the haters. So the haters have tasted over
all of my content, all of my films. They're making
money on things that I have done. And again I
wondered how the listeners would feel if that happened to them,

(02:06:45):
if money was being stolen from them every single day,
they probably go, this ain't right. But you know, I
just have to let it roll because YouTube doesn't do
anything about that type of thing. So if you go
to mccainie Matter, that is the wrong YouTube channel, that's
a little with like forty million views, you're not going
to see new content. And they've edited down my movies,

(02:07:09):
and they've taken sound out and they've destroyed a lot
of things on that channel, just like they've taken my
social media sites. They they've hacked into my website and
bore it down in numerous signs, Facebook pages, Big I've
got it into my personal and by the kid that
air talk pages. They've totally destroyed those deleted five thousand

(02:07:30):
friends of mine, you know, everything and this is the
kind of stuff they continually do. And again I wondered
how the listeners would feel if you had to put
up with all this nonsense. But you know, welcome to
my world.

Speaker 2 (02:07:43):
Well, let's do this. Let's finish up on talking about
the new Haunt in Tennessee. Now, first and foremost, I
want to say that you can correct me if I'm wrong.
All of your previous haunts up to now San Diego
and all nobody ever made it through the full experience.
Am I correct?

Speaker 3 (02:08:00):
Done?

Speaker 2 (02:08:00):
That?

Speaker 3 (02:08:01):
That's correct?

Speaker 2 (02:08:03):
And now Tennessee you've actually changed stuff up a little
bit and it's actually instead of an eight hour up
to eight hour event, it's actually three separate events that
can be multiple hours. So tell me a little bit
about what we're doing in Tennessee and what's different now, sure.

Speaker 3 (02:08:19):
All right, I really loving this new Tennessee show, even
though the police get called every time and they're like, hey, okay,
I had to come out and see it. Okay, good,
But I'm having a good time because I would say
this show, this interpretation of the manager, is the easiest

(02:08:39):
version of all of them. Is so much so that
actually lowered age requirements, you can come in if you're
eighteen to twenty, but you just have to have printal consent,
so your parents have to stay on a video Dad Dino.
Johnny is going into the game manner. I know this
hair may get cut. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I understand all that.

(02:09:01):
It's fine, go out fun, Johnny. You know. So we've
actually lowered the age requirement. So the way it works
in good old Tennessee is that actually there was three locations.
Now it's too and I've kind of broke ties with
the other Haunt I was working with, and so now

(02:09:22):
I'm just strictly doing mccaini manor and not really working
with the other Hant. The other hot actually was going
a little bit too extreme for my cake. So we're
gonna kind of cool engines there. I like the guys.
I like everybody, but they are pretty. They're trying to
play ketch up in the extreme world, and sometimes you
can go overboard, and I don't want to be really

(02:09:45):
involved with the crazy crazy anymore. So the way it
works out is the house. To spend three four hours
at Holly's Playhouse, you have to spend time with the beautiful,
lovely Holly, a little five foot tall, very athletic woman.

(02:10:06):
I won't even be involved with this. You're going to
spend time with Holly and you're going to go through
some very mental and very physical demanding challenges that Holly
puts you through, and you have to be able to
keep up with this little five foot dynamo. If you

(02:10:27):
cannot keep up with her and vimic what she's doing
and continue with the task that she is just doing
right along with you, then you're going to start losing money.
Because yes, folks, there is a payday now at the
end of the new MCCAINI manor. If you complete Zones

(02:10:47):
one in Zone suits, you can earn up to one
thousand dollars of my own money that I don't have.
I'll get it for you, but it's in the contract.
I'll pay you one thousand big ones if you're complete. Now,
what other haunt in the world has ever offered that? Nobody.

(02:11:07):
There's been a little urban legends about that. But the
house top that gives you your money back. Now, I
don't charge you to get into begin with, and I've
offered you a thousand dollars if you can complete it.
But nobody and rocket nobody has completed Playhouse yet little
poor little Holly. Just look her up. Go to my
website and look up Holly's playhouse. See what she looks like.

(02:11:31):
This is the woman, and that that woman only that
you'll be dealing with for three or four hours. So
if you can't handle being with her in her world
for that amount of time, I can promise you there's
no way, there's no way you'll ever succeed its own two.

(02:11:51):
So what this is, it's a very fun adventure. It's
very again mental, very physical. It's a blast. This one
is absolutely a blast. Nobody is gonna be beaten you up.
No one's gonna be roughing you up, no one's gonna
be tossing you around. Nope, you're gonna be doing everything

(02:12:13):
all on your own. Everything that happened to you, you
were doing it and under Haldy's instruction. And so it's
a different kind of event. It's gonna happen in the
broad daylight. It's gonna take place on a Saturday morning,
birds saying beautiful sunshine, who it's gorgeous. You're gonna be
How scary can it be on a beautiful Saturday after

(02:12:37):
an in or morning? But something, something is making these
people quick. Something is making these people give up, Something
is making these people cry in panic. What is it? Well,
I guess you're gonna need to find out for yourself
and come out here and see what the magic of

(02:12:58):
Holliday's Playhouse is all about. It sounds fun and it
is fun, but nobody has completed it. The longest anyone's
been through the Hallway's Playhouse is two hours. That's it
and for sure, and generally it's more like around a
few minutes, and then they go into panic mode and

(02:13:20):
they're done. But again, we're not laying a hand on you.
We're not doing anything. You're gonna walk through this thing yourself.
It's total control. You have got control. You've got to
say phrase. So anytime you want out, all you gotta
do is say a safe phrase. The show stops automatically

(02:13:41):
and we send you on your way. So I don't
understand why people fit because again, put your put your
reality boots on again, but your logic caps on. You
know you're not gonna die. You absolutely know. No one's
gonna get killed there. You know that, So why do

(02:14:01):
you have to break down and quit? That's a pretty
fascinating thing that only the people that come here, will
figure out why that is and I love it. Now,
let's say somebody does actually get through Polly's trade house.
I will then personally drive them into Hunsville, Alabama. And

(02:14:22):
that's when you're gonna go to the big show. It's
gonna be you and me on a one on one basis.
I don't have to have a bunch of actors talking
mean yelling as you in don't need that, trust me,
I don't need that. All I need is me and
I will absolutely get inside your head and I will

(02:14:43):
make you believe thing that you can't believe. I will
make you think things are happening that will absolutely make
you lose your flipping mind. I have skills that you
all don't know about, and so you and see me.
There's a reason why me and me alone is all

(02:15:05):
it takes to make you try like a little baby.
There's a reason. And again I'm not laying a hand
on it. I will never even touch you, but you will.
You will be under my control. You will find out
why it's so scary, and at that point in time,

(02:15:28):
you're gonna go you know what, This is way beyond
my mental capability. I don't want to be here my mind.
I feel like I'm losing my mind here, And you
know that's what it's all about. How much can I
do to you? It sounds horrible, But what kind of
show can I show you? What kind of presentation can

(02:15:49):
I show you? That will be so frightening that you
feel like you're gonna lose your flipping minds? There's something
going on, isn't there? Of course there is, But what
can it be? What could it be? I'm not hitting you,
I'm not you know, we're not physically doing anything to you.
But what in the world is it that's making grown

(02:16:11):
men pry in all to their knees? What is it?
I don't know, so I guess you need to come
and find out. So it's a very mental tour, not
recommended for the weak minded. I can promise you that,
And if you've got a strong mental ability, then you'll
do well. Physicality you'll define Anybody who's halfway physical can

(02:16:35):
get through it. That's not the point. But I will
get inside your head more than you think as possible.
I've got certain skills that all your guys know about.
I think most people know that I'm a hypnotist. I
think you all know that I'm a trained stage hypnotist
and I use that to my advantage, and you will

(02:16:56):
sign up for that. So if there's a point in
time when you think you're being attacked by a transurce wrecks, yeah,
you're gonna feel like you're being eaten by a key wreck.
Is it really happening, noping, but in your mind it is.
So you better have strong willpower because I promise you
I'm very good at what I do. And again, nobody

(02:17:19):
does that type of scenario in an attraction as a
legal person. Is you are signing up, you know that
I am going to attempt to hypnotize you sometime during
your time in the manner. We all know that that's
not it's not a story anymore. We all know that. Now,
let's see who's mentally strong enough to challenge me. But

(02:17:41):
so far I haven't had any any takers that have
given me much of a munch of a challenge. So
if your folks are out there listening like, now that's BS,
he's talking crude, then I challenge those people. Those are
the ones I want. I want those big tough guys
who think, oh man, he must just full of trust.
I want those guys to go on bikinimanor dot com.

(02:18:05):
I want to send me a contact forum at the
contact page and say, you know what, Russ, I think
you're full of it. I chatting with you, bitch. See
bring bringing on, show you what you've got. That's who
I was, and I hope that some of your audience
that kicks me up on it. Remember, guys, you're not
gonna die. It's not gonna cost you any money. It's

(02:18:29):
all smoking mirrors, it's all fun and games. So what
do you have to worry about.

Speaker 2 (02:18:38):
I look at it, ladies and gentlemen, the master Russ McCamy. Russ,
I can't thank you enough for coming on, buddy. This
is uh, it's been a big thrill for me. I
know my audience is gonna absolutely love it, and I
hope a lot of them do take you up. At
one time, I know you had twenty seven thousand people
in the waiting list. What's that thing looking like? Now?

Speaker 3 (02:18:59):
Yeah, that was several years ago from the same Ego location.
But it got it got so out of control that
I wasn't even able to console it at all. I mean,
you got so out of hand. It's just insane. I
mean even now on the on the website, I get
a couple of hundred requests day for information to go
through it. I have a hard time keeping up with it.

(02:19:21):
But what I'm doing now is just first come, first serve,
you know. I tell people, get your medical letters, seeing
your mentally and physically clear, and then let's talk. And
then I'll try to get you in during the week
or whatever. You know, like all of our carvers already booked.
But I will try to squeeze you in somehow. But

(02:19:41):
you've got to be serious. You got to be a
clean guy. I don't want, you know, no drinkers man,
no one doing drugs, nobody doing I can't. I don't
want that type of person. I want a person who's
like super solid, super no great attitude, understands reality, under
dance what's make believe and what's not. I need people

(02:20:03):
to have a good grasp of this. So if you
taught those kind of skills, and you are in adrenaline
junkie and a full seeker, then you'll look me up
because I will show you. I'll give you a ride
that your mind will not be able to wrap around that.
I'll promise you I can deliver on everything that I

(02:20:24):
talk about. Just watch the movie that's how come right now,
watch the new Extinction movie that's gonna come out in
the next day or so, probably tonight, and you're gonna
see me single handedly destroy somebody by just you know,
doing what I do. And but it's it's it's for
abat it in a nice music video. I'll be singing

(02:20:47):
my nice little song. I mean, how wonderful is that?
Come on now, so you know, uh take the challenge, guys,
come look, look me up, and let's get for real
contestants come through. It's get some real quality individuals coming through.
I would appreciate.

Speaker 2 (02:21:04):
That, Russ. I can't thank you enough for coming on, buddy,
and good luck in the new hunt down there in
Tennessee and Alabama.

Speaker 3 (02:21:12):
All right, man, thanks for having me. I appreciate it.

Speaker 2 (02:21:14):
How it ain't no problem brother anytime.

Speaker 3 (02:21:17):
All right, buddy, thank you.

Speaker 2 (02:21:19):
All right. So now after listening to that, there is
no doubt at all that you will dispute that Russ
McCamey is a very unique individual.

Speaker 4 (02:21:27):
Yes, but he's got a great imagination.

Speaker 2 (02:21:30):
He does and he does have He's definitely got some
things that he doesn't mind taking a stand against such
as abusive children, which can't argue with that at all.
I like how we have these guests that use the
platform to be able to just speak out against whatever
their personal passions are. Andrea did that when she was

(02:21:51):
on the show about drug abuse and these doctors prescribing
drugs haphazardly, and then Russ had this, and you know,
we don't mind that at all. I mean, they're both
very good messages to get out. So that's pretty much
it for this week. As a reminder once again, next
weekend we will be at Scarefest and Lexington, So if

(02:22:11):
you're anywhere near the area Friday, Saturday, Sunday, we will
be there and having a good time. We'll be enjoying
ourselves a little bit on vacation prior to that in
Gatlinburg for a little bit. We'll go see anxious to
see how much damage is there from the fires that
we talked about and if any how much is that
we remember is gone, and how much has been rebuilt already.

Speaker 4 (02:22:33):
So yeah, sad that that really happened. That was a heartbreaker,
but hopefully they've rebuilt some things, and you know, people
just keep going. So that's the main thing.

Speaker 2 (02:22:44):
Thank you guys so much, we love you. Get your
T shirts. If you can't come to Scarefest and get them,
make sure you go to our website and get them.
He'll belly horstories dot com. It's also where you can
sign up for Patreon. Thank you guys so much and
we'll see you soon.

Speaker 3 (02:22:56):
Love you,