2055 Son of Sam Part 2

Tim is on vacation with his wife celebrating their 28th year anniversary.  This episode, due to technical issues from last weeks show, Jerry and Tracy finish their conversation about the Son of Sam show.  

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:01):
Hello, and welcome to hill Billy Horror Stories. How argued today, Well,
I'm probably not the person you are expecting to hear.
From my understanding, Tim and his wife Rebecca are celebrating
their twenty eighth wedding anniversary on a cruise in Mexico.

(00:25):
I hope you two have a great time, enjoy each other,
enjoy the time off, and just relax. So with all
that said, we're gonna get straight into the story. This
week's episode is part two of the Son of Sam.
As Jerry says, this is the rest of the story

(00:47):
that you don't know. I'm not quite sure what that means,
but I hope you enjoy it. Everybody, have a great week,
enjoy each other's company, love your family. Bye bye.

Speaker 2 (01:01):
Hey you guys, it's Jerry. I just wanted to say
I'm so sorry about the technical difficulties on last week's show.
For whatever reason, the last six minutes did not play.
So what I wanted to do is give you what
you were missing out on. So you're not thinking we're
just doing purposely cliffhangers. What I want to do is
I'm going to pick it up a little bit before
it cut off, so it's a nice clean start, and

(01:24):
I hope you enjoyed the end of the show. Sorry
once again for the difficulties. Now you've moved forward just
a little bit longer, and those feelings kind of went
away to where now he's feeling suicidal. They found out
that he was fit to stand trial, and he decided,
against his attorney's wishes, to plead guilty. He called his

(01:48):
dad to tell his dad that he was going to
plead guilty and to forgive him for that, which I
imagine his dad probably won't have shit to do with him.

Speaker 3 (01:58):
Well, I would say not.

Speaker 2 (02:00):
And when his dad found out that he was the killer,
there was a press conference with his dad, and his
dad just said that he just sat and cried, you know,
because he said he knew he had issues, and just
to know that his son that they brought up was
responsible for killing six people and wounding seven others in

(02:21):
a year's time and causing so much other havoc and
terror on the city that it just was too much
to handle. So I don't know why he would even
call his dad to say, hey, I'm sorry, we're pleading guilty. Well,
what you did it? I mean, pleading guilty party ain't
what you need to be apologizing for.

Speaker 3 (02:37):
Maybe just imagine how hard that is on his dad
to have to live with that.

Speaker 2 (02:41):
And his dad by this time was like in his
late sixties, like sixty seven, sixty eight years old, so
he was starting to be an older guy. And so anyway,
so in May nineteen seventy eight, he pleaded guilty. Two
weeks later on the day of the sentencing. This is
weird in its own self. He threw this tantrum, right,

(03:02):
he broke the restraints that they had him on.

Speaker 1 (03:05):
Oh my gosh.

Speaker 2 (03:08):
He went into the courtroom. They get, you know, finally
crawling and get him into the courtroom. He sees Stacy
Moscowich's mom and he starts saying Stacy was a whore.
Stacy was a whore to the mind, and then he screamed,

(03:28):
that's right, I killed him, and I'd kill him all again. Well,
they pulled him out of the courtroom June thirteenth, which
was about two weeks later. They bring him back in
and this time he's like a completely different person. He's
completely calm and all that, and the judge sentenced him
to life. He gave him basically a twenty I think

(03:50):
it was twenty five years for each one of the murders,
which was six and the judge said that he wished
he could give him the death penalty, but he couldn't
because that's what was voted on by the jury. But
the judge flat up said, I wish I could give
you a death penalty. So he started off his days
in Attica, famous Attica prison in New York. And then

(04:11):
he comes out and says he never heard any voices.
He made that up. He was almost he was almost
killed by an inmate. And then he eventually admitted that
he hated women, especially women that danced. He thought they
were too sensual.

Speaker 3 (04:33):
What the hell is wrong with his brain?

Speaker 2 (04:35):
And then he said that he attacked women in cars,
mainly because if you notice, most of these happening in cars,
and he attacked women in cars and mainly people that
were making out because he was trying to stop more
illegitimate childbirths like his.

Speaker 3 (04:51):
All right, well, he just pissed off because he ain't
got him none.

Speaker 2 (04:55):
Apparently. I bet he's getting something, maybe not what he
was looking for. So for fourteen years he pretty much
kept silent. But in nineteen ninety three, this whole thing
took a different turn. He came back in the news
because he said that all of the murders were a satanic,
satanic plot that the cult that he was in. You know,

(05:20):
he killed three, but the cult was responsible for the rest,
but he was an accomplice, and he said it was
a conspiracy to create chaos in New York City by
this satanic cult. You talked to any of the experts,
the FBI experts and stuff, they say that they just

(05:42):
don't believe this for a second. I mean, he says
that the reason he pled guilty was to get out
of the cult because if he didn't, they were going
to kill family and everything else. With the FBI experts
are like, well, first of all, he was a guy
that wants all the credit. He's not somebody that's going
to be in cahoots with anybody. Yeah, he wants all
the credit. And second of all, he was so unstable.
Nobody that was really trying to do something like that

(06:04):
would have him as part of it because he was
untrustworthy and he was a loose cannon, so you didn't
know what to expect. Well, nineteen eighty seven, he got
moved to the Sullivan Correctional Institute, which pretty much is
nothing but hardened criminals. These are the worst of the worst.
It's there that he met a preacher. I'm sorry it's

(06:28):
not there, but that's where he's continued on. But in
nineteen seventy eight he had a preacher by the name
of Don Dickman. It's a good name for a preacher.
Don Dickman in nineteen seventy eight wrote him a letter
that said God still loves you and Jesus can save you.
Then he moves in eighty seven to the corrections and
in eighty seven he was actually born again, so he

(06:48):
says his new name is Son of Hope, as he
called hisself, and he started working as a chaplain. There
was a one section of the the prison that was
strictly for people that had developmental issues. They had some
you know, maybe they weren't the sharpest knives, and the

(07:08):
tour and all that. He was the only person that
had the ability or the clearance, I should say, to
be able to go down to that ward. And he
would go down there and help them like make their
beds and talk to him and try to try to
basically be a preacher. And that's what he does to
this day. Now, A lot of people say that they
think that that's all act. It's just deployed to be

(07:30):
able to try to get paroled. Yeah, but he knows
he's never getting parolled.

Speaker 3 (07:35):
So he still is alive.

Speaker 2 (07:36):
Yeah, he's still love How old is he?

Speaker 3 (07:38):
Y wonder?

Speaker 2 (07:39):
He was born in fifty three, so.

Speaker 3 (07:43):
You were worn in fifty That was born in sixty three?

Speaker 2 (07:46):
Sixty three? You sure?

Speaker 3 (07:48):
Yeah? Okay, so he's probably what sixty four now?

Speaker 2 (07:51):
Maybe so Paul McCartney could sing songs about him when
I'm sixty four, Yeah, we would. You still killed me
even if I short hair when sixty.

Speaker 3 (08:04):
Oh that's terrible, that's really bad.

Speaker 2 (08:08):
Anyways, that's it.

Speaker 3 (08:09):
I don't know why I was thinking he was a
lot older than that.

Speaker 2 (08:14):
So anyway, that is the basic story of the son
of samw Does that sound like just the all the
basic elements that you would expect a serial killer to
have in our lifetime?

Speaker 3 (08:25):
Well, it's pretty bizarre. And I don't know. I mean,
in one sense, I feel sorry for him in the
beginning of his life, but you know, in the end,
I sure don't. I mean, you should never kill all
those people, But I just think he had a horrible
start from beginning to end.

Speaker 2 (08:44):
So but I think he had he had a couple
of loose screws to begin with, because even though he
had the love and everything as a kid, I mean,
when you start feeling like your dad, your original or
your biological dad's going to come hunt you down and
kill you because your mom died at.

Speaker 3 (09:01):
Birth, and yeah, life does that even get in your mind?

Speaker 2 (09:04):
You're like as a kid six, seven, eight years old
and stuff like that. I mean, who knows. Though, maybe
if he wasn't told that his mom died at birth,
maybe that would have changed everything.

Speaker 3 (09:13):
Yeah, I mean it might have. I mean it seems
like that's what his whole life's adventure was based on.
And I just think that's a terrible thing. I mean,
how many other kids could that might affect that way?

Speaker 2 (09:26):
It's sad. It is everybody involved, Yes it is.

Speaker 3 (09:29):
Guys.

Speaker 2 (09:30):
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(09:52):
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Speaker 3 (10:22):
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Speaker 3 (10:40):
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Speaker 2 (10:42):
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Speaker 3 (10:44):
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