2056 Christmas Rewind

Jerry and Tracy tell you about the haunted Toys R Us in Sunnyvale CA, Tell you a sad but heart warming story of Jake and his best friend Chris. They also tell you a very disturbing Christmas story about 7yr old Henry. Ember Hammond, former host of Color Me Dead Podcast joins us for a fun segments on serial l killer facts that you may not know! 

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:01):
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Speaker 2 (00:06):
Carsalities, questionble travits. You just can't let it go. These
two right here put on the show.

Speaker 1 (00:19):
It's parallelmal overflow with Southern hospitality, Haunt and Murder Mayham
discussing their mortality locations.

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With a dark past history that comes to.

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The hillbilly's with a lack for.

Speaker 2 (00:37):
Anything that goes bumping. Nice, hope you're thinking of be
by yourself.

Speaker 1 (00:42):
These two are happy to turn on the light.

Speaker 2 (00:45):
Mixing in a little comedy to make sure it all
fits him just right. Welcome to Hillbilly horror Stories.

Speaker 3 (01:02):
Hell Loo, He'll Billy Nation. I'm very merry Christmas to
every single one of you who celebrates Christmas and for
all those who celebrate other things that you believe in.
I wish you nothing but the best and nothing but
the happiest moments in that as well. It is Christmas Eve.

(01:23):
As I am recording this, some of you are probably saying, now,
wait a minute, did you not mention on Facebook earlier
today that your computer was dead? And yes, you would
be correct. Thankfully, I still have my personal laptop, although
I am quite limited when I can and cannot do

(01:48):
We'll make it work. It's going to have to work, right,
We'll make it work. No worries. But I wanted to
put out a special episode for all of you as
a little gift from myself and Jerry. A little something
came across my Facebook page today. It was Jerry and

(02:10):
Tracy's first Christmas episode. And as I sat there and
looked at that post, I thought, hmm, want a wonderful
surprise that would be for everybody. And since I did
not put out a rewind episode this week, I figured,
why not, let's do it. So this episode goes way

(02:36):
way back to December twenty fourth, two thousand and seventeen.
I don't know about you, but I can remember what
I did last Christmas Eve. If you can remember what
you did on Christmas Eve in twenty seventeen, go into
the Facebook page and what the rest of us know?
That's me yet, No, I have no clue. But anyway,

(03:02):
on this episode, Jerry and Tracy tell us about the
Haunted Toys r S in sunny Vale, California. I'm sure
many of you have already heard the story. I am
very familiar with it, and I still love hearing stories
about the haunted toys for us. It's one of my favorites.

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Once they're done scaring you with the toys, they go
off and tell us a sad but very heartwarming story
of Jake and his best friend Chris. And then they'll
turn around and tell you a very disturbing Christmas story
about a seven year old name Henry. Flip Flap, flip Flap.
And when they're done juggling your mind about all of that,

(03:49):
they'll turn around and they'll end it with Amber Hammond,
the former host of Color Me Dad podcast, and she
joins them with a fun segment on Syria real killer
facts that you may not know. Since I'm really not
in serial killers, I probably don't know any of them.

(04:10):
So before we get into this great episode, I want
to again wish every single one of you a merry Christmas.
It has been my honor to help you all relive
Jerry and Tracy's past, to watch them grow and learn
as a podcast and as a couple. We've had tears,

(04:32):
we've had laughs, but best of all, we've done it
all with each other. A lot of you consider us
family outside your family, and for that we are very humbled.
As we walk away from a holiday of thanks and
walk into a holiday of love and walk forward to

(04:55):
a holiday of new beginnings. I want you all to
remember this. We all have something in common. Yes, we
all love ghost stories and we do enjoy getting scared
from time to time, but that's not what I'm talking about.
What we all have in common is love, love each other,

(05:19):
love your family. Look, I understand family is sometimes the
hardest ones to love. I get it, but they are
your family. They say you can't pick your family, and
they're right, you can't because they were chosen to be

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your family. With that said, you can pick your friends,
pick them wisely, and treat them like family. Be grateful
for those who pass have crossed into your life because
you don't know how long they would be part of
your life. Tree toads around you with respect, because I

(06:03):
strongly believe that we can't and do entertained angels quite
a bit. Now, go enjoy your Christmas huggles around you,
because sometimes a hug is better than any gift that
can be opened. Merry Christmas. Enjoy the episode Merry Christmas.

Speaker 4 (06:25):
Everybody love you.

Speaker 5 (06:39):
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Speaker 4 (06:59):
He goes think nutty hoh, but thank you to me
by your fealty. Do what has he.

Speaker 6 (07:03):
Turned on the light?

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Fixing in a little comedy to make sure it all
fifteen is right?

Speaker 6 (07:07):
Hey, we welcome to a.

Speaker 4 (07:09):
New Billy horror story.

Speaker 5 (07:12):
Now here's your whole Jerry, your brink, tender doll, miss.

Speaker 4 (07:18):
And sometimes their ten pready but never the ferrets. Jingle bells,
jingle bells. Welcome to episode seventy two of Hillbilly Horror Stories.
I'm Jerry and I'm joined by my wife Tracy.

Speaker 7 (07:32):
Hey, guys, Merry Christmas Eve to you guys. Hoole ho
and another hole, oh three.

Speaker 4 (07:38):
Holes from my favorite hole.

Speaker 7 (07:40):
Thanks.

Speaker 4 (07:41):
Hey, real quick, We just wanted to basically tell all
of you guys what a wonderful year you've given us.

Speaker 7 (07:48):
Oh amen.

Speaker 4 (07:50):
We want to say a big Merry Christmas to every
one of you, and we've been inundated the last couple
of days with people writing us some of the nicest
stuff you could ever want to see, a lot of
personal stuff, a lot of things telling us how we've
helped them deal with some hardships in their life. And
nothing means more to us this time of year than

(08:11):
hearing how we impact you guys.

Speaker 7 (08:12):
Yeah, and even though you say that you don't know
how much you all help us through the year. Absolutely,
I mean, it's just amazing. But we appreciate all you
guys reaching out to us and we're there for anything
we can do for you.

Speaker 4 (08:25):
Real quick, because we didn't have a ton of iTunes
reviews this week, but we did have one and that
was from k C sixteen four three, two five six,
Thank you for.

Speaker 7 (08:38):
That wonderful Thank you Honey so much.

Speaker 4 (08:40):
And then as far as Patreon, our Patreon supporters right
now are don't do to do that's my way of
getting when I'm not prepared. Brandy Hester it was our
new one, and we've had Brandy Tammy Hicks, thank you,
Thank you, Honey, LeeAnne Ashmore, thank you, Lisa, I think

(09:02):
this is Lisa and Nadine.

Speaker 7 (09:05):
Oh cool.

Speaker 4 (09:06):
And then we've got Leslie Tyler and Alice and Richard.
Thank you guys, thank you so much.

Speaker 7 (09:14):
We appreciate you more than you'll ever know.

Speaker 4 (09:16):
Absolutely, now we are going to have fun on this
episode because we've got you know, this is hibbily horror stories.

Speaker 7 (09:25):
Now.

Speaker 4 (09:25):
Last year we went ahead and just tried to make
it all jovial and lighthearted, and we told the story
of Crampis and Old Saint Nick. And I thought, you
know what, this year, we're gonna be hibbly horror stories
and we're going to tell you some stuff that I
think is interesting. So we've got a we've got a
nice haunted story for you for the Haunted Toys r Us.

(09:47):
So that'll stick with our regular thing, because what's more
Christmas ere than toys.

Speaker 7 (09:52):
Well, that's true, it's hard off. That's been a year already.
I'll tell you what. That's crazy. We didn't know stories.

Speaker 4 (09:57):
Kristen made the joke about Crampis being the uh the
uh what the demon that visits.

Speaker 7 (10:02):
Her once a month. I remember that. Uh.

Speaker 4 (10:07):
But so we got this Toys r Us story. We
thought that this is a pretty cool story to use
at Christmas time. Then I've got a story that's about
a little boy and his friend that passed on that
has to do with Christmas. And we're also going to
read you. Now, this will be something different than what
we did. This is actually going to be a story

(10:28):
instead of you know what it was in the night
before Christmas like most people read. We're going to read
you a different kind of story. But it's not going
to be one that's in our way. I'm just going
to read it word for word. We'll put a little
fun into it. And but I think this is going
to be something that will shock a lot of you.
It's not your typical Christmas story, So this is not

(10:49):
this will not be the episode to listen to with
the kids on the way over to Grandma's house.

Speaker 7 (10:52):
Oh jeez.

Speaker 4 (10:53):
And then we're going to finish the show up. Our
good friend Amber Hammond, formerly of Colored Me Dead podcast,
came on with us and she's going to do some
a little segment that we might do ever so often
called Ember's Killer Facts.

Speaker 7 (11:06):
Oh yeah, she had some really cool.

Speaker 4 (11:08):
Ones to and she basically is going to tell us
some cool facts about some serial killers. And we play
a little game with it where she had ten picked out.
Me and Tracy just picked numbers and we randomly got
whatever fact she had and it was a fun little deal,
so we'll throw that on the end. As you might
have heard, we replaced our regular hillbilly horrorce theme with
John Lennon's Happy Christmas War Is Over because that's my

(11:29):
favorite Christmas song and anytime I can throw John Lennon
of the Beatles in, that's what I'm going to do.

Speaker 7 (11:34):
Good sounds great.

Speaker 4 (11:35):
But then we also heard Aerosmith's Toys in the attic
to go in with our toy song. So are we
ready to get this thing going? Let's all right, this
may not be as long a show as we normally
do because we're doing it on Christmas. Even between our runs,
not runs like because Tracy fixed bad Food last night,
runs like to everybody's house that.

Speaker 7 (11:52):
You always like. It's going to be crazy.

Speaker 4 (11:55):
So we're going to start off with the Toys r
Us story. Now, a lot of you have problems heard
this story, and as usual, I tried to throw a
few extra facts and stuff in there. Maybe you haven't heard.
Now this Toys r Us is in Sunnyville, California, and
obviously it's supposedly haunted, or we wouldn't be talking about it.
Now this goes all the way back to the late
seventies when this first really started coming out, and a

(12:18):
lot of the information I have you'll hear me talk
about the managers and stuff like that. This all comes
from two thousand and seven. I couldn't really find a
lot of recent stuff on it. And with everything that's
going on with toys r Us, I don't even know
if this store is still open.

Speaker 8 (12:30):
Now.

Speaker 7 (12:31):
That's so sad too. Yeah, I don't like that.

Speaker 4 (12:34):
I don't like that damn giraffe. What's his name, Jeffrey
jeffs to go and you get those old Jeffrey Bucks
remember that. Well it's just stupid, it is not draft
can't spend money. Well you got Jeffrey Bucks.

Speaker 7 (12:46):
Because he's being nice.

Speaker 4 (12:47):
And given how they choose, how they choose a giraffe
as a mascot of a story store. Who have you
ever known it had toy giraffe?

Speaker 7 (12:55):
You did not have a I did have one long
years and many years ago.

Speaker 4 (12:57):
Would you get some toys r Us?

Speaker 6 (12:59):
You know?

Speaker 7 (12:59):
I don't think so. Actually, okay, so good off my
nut today.

Speaker 4 (13:04):
So let's move ahead. This is good. Like I said,
this goes back to the seventies. Now, several TV shows
back in the day used to actually have this son
they they didn't have all the haunted shows like they
got today. But there was a show called That's Incredible.
Do you remember that?

Speaker 7 (13:18):
Yes? I do remember that.

Speaker 4 (13:20):
Back in the late seventies. I had Frank Harkington on it,
and what's her name, Crosby I can't remember. And then
I can't remember who the other guy was.

Speaker 7 (13:28):
See, I remember Frank, but I don't remember our friend
fran Harkin Day. I don't remember who else was on there.

Speaker 4 (13:33):
But that was a cool show back in the day,
and it involved everything. I mean, it was, you know,
anything that was crazy feats or of strength or whatever.
But it was actually on that show. Now, most of
you know psychic Sylvia Brown. She's pretty famous and has
been for a long time, but she actually was the
first psychic or anybody of a name that did this.

(13:55):
Now I keep in mind, this was seventy eight. Yeah,
so this is, you know, thirty years ago.

Speaker 7 (14:00):
I probably thought she was like psychedelica.

Speaker 4 (14:02):
That was forty years ago, so I mean she was
really just getting started. She's been a big name for
a long time, but so she was out there and
she did a seance and she's been back more than
a dozen times. Good for her since then, this place,
there was a Hollywood scriptwriter that did a movie called Toys,
and he actually spent two nights there just kind of
doing some research. So I don't and I don't remember

(14:24):
that movie by any chance, just called I remember the
one with Richard Pryor in it, but that was the Toy.

Speaker 7 (14:31):
Okay, So he spent the night at Toys r Us.

Speaker 4 (14:33):
Yeah, he spent two nights there, just time of doing
some research for his I guess the movie was probably
semi based on what happened there. So it's supposedly haunted
by a man named Johann Johnson. And this is according
to Sylvia Brown, which she got out of her seance
that she did, so she's most of this information comes

(14:53):
from her. But they have been able to document some
of these things, like the fact that there was a
Johann Brown that lived there and all that, so we're
getting that a little more.

Speaker 9 (15:04):
So.

Speaker 4 (15:05):
Johnson was actually a preacher and a ranch hand in
the nineteen or I said in nineteen eight the eighteen
eighties on the Murphy family farm, and the Murphy family
farm is what used to be the Murphy family farm
is actually where the toys r Us is right now.
Oh cool. So Johann actually spoke with a slight Swedish accent,

(15:25):
so our Swedish people.

Speaker 7 (15:27):
Were like that, yeah, it's a great accent to have, Yes.

Speaker 4 (15:30):
It is Swedish. Is a really cool accent. And so
we got ten of sixteen people that were at the
Saint Ance said that they heard kind of a high
pitch buzz noise while Brown was actually supposedly talking to Johann,
so this when he would talk back through her, this
buzz would go on. So that was kind of cool.

(15:50):
So Murphy was actually in love with the farmer's daughter, Elizabeth,
and he didn't really like the fact that she didn't
pay him no never mind, as we say here in
the South, she had no interest. She was actually getting
married to an attorney in East Coast attorney in like
seven days. When he told her how he really felt

(16:12):
about her. And the guy was a little bit slow anyway,
He had something they called it, I think it's called
encepha miitas, but that it just they called him crazy
Johnny because of it. He just was he was slow,
and so he told her his feelings and obviously she

(16:33):
wasn't interested, and she was very blunt about it, and
I'm sure this severely hurt his feelings. And so he said,
you know, hey, I want to marry you. And she's like,
I'm no here, crazy Johnny, and I'm marry enough, you know,
rich East Coast attorney, so stupid. According to different newspaper articles,

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Johann accidentally hacked his leg with an axe while he
was angrily chopping wood out of disgust. So he's pissed off.
He's out there, he's got, you know, all these logs
and stuff, and he's just you know, he's in a
little fit of rage and he's you know, just swinging
the acts as hard as he can, and he missed
and chopped his leg. And according to which article you read,

(17:17):
because there's a couple of different ones, one of them
said that he did that. One of them said that
he hit hisself in the neck, oh gosh. But either way,
both the articles said that he bled to death. So
those are actually documented in the newspaper that there was
a Johann there and he didn't mean So there's I
love this name. The young lady that had worked at

(17:38):
the store at this point, like I said, This was
two thousand and seven. She had worked there for eighteen years.
Her name was pett put O'Brien.

Speaker 7 (17:44):
Oh nice, but.

Speaker 4 (17:46):
She's been stocking shelter, like I said, for eighteen years.
And she said when she started she didn't believe in ghosts.
But she said, when you start feeling a breeze behind
you and someone calls your name and there's nobody else there,
and funny things like start to happen, you can't really
explain it.

Speaker 7 (18:00):
Yeah, you can't brush it off for sure.

Speaker 4 (18:01):
She said, rag dolls and toy trucks would just fall
off the shelves, balls would bounce down the owls where
you know, there was nobody at And then she said
baby swings, you know, like the Yeah, she said, those
things would just start swinging on her own. And people
at the toys or US have tried to explain it
as far as like upper management and I guess regionals

(18:21):
and stuff like that. They've tried to explain it logically,
but they can't. Supposedly a lot of this stuff is
called on surveillance camera.

Speaker 7 (18:29):
Oh well, I mean, at least they had the proof.

Speaker 4 (18:32):
So O'Brien said that several people have had had the
experiences and said that he was kind of like Casper
because he never tried to scare anybody. He was just
more of a prankster, and nobody's ever really been frightened.
O'Brien said that she actually saw Johann once, and she
said he was a man in his twenties and thirties.
He was wearing Nickers, a white long sleeve work shirt

(18:53):
and a gray tweed snap brim cap.

Speaker 7 (18:56):
I can so see that in my brain.

Speaker 4 (18:58):
I can too, because I saw a picture it looked
like him. Oh well, it wasn't his actual picture, but
you know how they always do, like a characterization or something. Now,
another time, she said she heard the sound of a
galloping horse because supposedly he used to exercise the horses
on the farm, so that would make sense too. And
these days he just likes to play with the staff.

Speaker 7 (19:18):
Yeah, well he's fine. That's a good thing.

Speaker 6 (19:21):
Now.

Speaker 4 (19:21):
A few examples of the things that he likes to
do prank wise, I guess is there's a strong smell
of flowers in the aisle fifteen C, right next to
the Mickey mouse dolls. And on one occasion there were
some men that were actually waxing the floors, and a
teddy bear appeared in each one of the owls as

(19:41):
they moved the equipment through. So they would get through
with one ac on the other and there's a teddy bear.
Then they would move it and get to another out
there's a teddy bear. And so that's kind of, you know,
prankster type.

Speaker 9 (19:52):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (19:53):
Now, but the question is is all this just a gimmick? Now?
The store manager at the time, Stephanie Lewis, she said
that it's very good publicity, she'll admit that, but personally
she didn't believe in any of it, even though everybody's
got like saying she's the store mander.

Speaker 7 (20:09):
She said she didn't believe even after she looked at
it on camera.

Speaker 4 (20:12):
I don't know how much she saw on camera, but
you know, she said she didn't believe it. So now
she said that she might not believe in it, but
she knows plenty of others do. She's admitted that she
had to chase away several teenagers just the week before
coming up. They were actually sitting in front of the
store at four am with auigia board trying to conjure

(20:33):
up ghosts.

Speaker 7 (20:34):
The teenagers were yeah, oh.

Speaker 4 (20:36):
God, she said. She said, at least once a week
somebody comes there and they ask about it, and she
said it's usually teenagers but trying to get her to
let them spend the night inside the toy store, which
obviously she can't do. So of course, now she said
that she has female employees that will not go to
the women's bathroom alone. Why because Johann follows them in

(20:56):
there and then he turns on the faucets and sometimes
he actually opens the door for him before they go
in there, so I guess apparently. She said that some
longtime employees said that Johann likes to prank contractors that
are just there like for a short time doing something.
The toys would actually like jump on the shelf, and
then the contractors would refuse to come back.

Speaker 7 (21:18):
Oh my gosh.

Speaker 4 (21:19):
Now, well, Brian, we talked about pet Putt O'Brien earlier.
She said she thinks Johann lives upstairs in a there's
like a corner up there that's really breezy and cool
all the time, and she thinks.

Speaker 7 (21:30):
That's kind of where he hangs out.

Speaker 4 (21:31):
Yeah, and she said that when she goes up there
to work that she kind of yells out and says, hey,
I'm just coming up here to work, So really yeah,
and that way, she said, he kind of leaves her alone.
Oh Now, some of the pranksy pools are harmless, but
it's still spooky because you're usually alone, and most people

(21:54):
with anything weird happens when you're alone, it's going to
freak you out. So the question is, if it's haunted,
then why work there? Well, Lisa actually said, and Lisa
didn't want to give her last name, so she's just Lisa.
But Lisa said that it's a good ghost and it's
fun there. And she said one incident she had that

(22:14):
she heard like a mysterious voice whisper through the PA
system through the whole store, and it said Lord giveth Lord,
taketh away, and they there was nobody, she said, at
the actual intercom to be able to do that, but
it was still going over. So let's go back to
the seance. Photographer Bill Tidwell actually took a bunch of

(22:35):
pictures and in one of the infrared pictures you could
see a silhouette of a man leaning up against the shelf,
surrounded by a bright light. And I'll snag that picture
and throw it on the Facebook page. But it actually
does look like a man leaning up so with him.

Speaker 7 (22:59):
He said, that's cool. I mean it sounds like he's harmless.

Speaker 4 (23:03):
Yeah, I mean I think it would be cool to
hang out in a toys r us. Yeah, so I
think I think we should all go out there before
they file for bankruptcy and close it down. Oh, if
they haven't already closed it.

Speaker 7 (23:16):
Down, Well, I know the one here is still open.

Speaker 4 (23:19):
Well, it's in California, So Tina Older has probably been there.
Anything we bring up in California, she's been.

Speaker 7 (23:26):
Tina, you need to let us know if it's still open.

Speaker 4 (23:29):
I don't know where sunny Bell is. I didn't look
to see where it was in California.

Speaker 7 (23:33):
It sounds like a fun place to live though, Sunnyville.

Speaker 4 (23:36):
Hey, so what do you think we're going to get into?
Like I said, we're going to breeze right there.

Speaker 7 (23:41):
Oh.

Speaker 4 (23:41):
I got a couple of things that I forgot to mention,
some cool Christmas facts that I found interesting. Okay, the
Satan and Santa connection. Have you ever heard about that?

Speaker 8 (23:53):
No?

Speaker 7 (23:54):
I know they got the same letters.

Speaker 4 (23:56):
Right, and that's where it comes in. So, is Santa
really an annaham for Satan. Many people think so, citing
that the fact that Santa is often referred to as
jolly old Saint Nick, just as the devil once was
known as Odinick. Remember the movie with Adam Sandler Little Nikki.

Speaker 7 (24:11):
Yeah, well, worst movie ever.

Speaker 4 (24:14):
It was not the worst movie ever. But the point
of that is he was little Nicky because Satan's name
was Nick.

Speaker 7 (24:20):
You cannot convince me of this one, you can't.

Speaker 4 (24:23):
Okay, So never mind that Saint Nicholas was a real
historical character, because you know, that's really where it kind
of came from. But others claim that Santa hels from
the opposite end of the spectrum, as exemplified by his
similarities in Zeus or Odin, identified in Norse mythology as
a god of the sky like Santa Claus, Odin ruled
from the far north and had an all seen eye.

(24:46):
He sees you when you're sleeping, he knows when you're awake.
Blah blah blah blah. Next, and he gave gifts to
yule tidd to those who honored him. Those on our ease,
by the way, did so at the sight of the
sacred fir tree. Not unlike the ones that we lay
out gifts.

Speaker 7 (25:01):
That every year at a Christmas tree in Oh dang.

Speaker 4 (25:04):
So later interpretation of Santa Claus puts him actually literally
to god like status, which would have him battling Satan,
as he does in a bizarre Mexican fantasy film called
Santa Claus. So, I wonder how many people trying to
look that up. But it makes sense, as in some
cultures it's believed that Santa actually made the Devil his

(25:24):
Christmas time slave. Note Also, Santa's alternative moniker, Chris Kringle,
said to be taken from the German Christ Kendall, which
means literally Christ child.

Speaker 7 (25:36):
Oh so interesting.

Speaker 4 (25:38):
Now there's that part of it. But let's talk about
the tie in with pagan. It's widely known that the
tradition of Christmas is descended from the ancient Pagan rituals,
notably the Fertility festival. This celebration evolving copious food, drink,
and orgies plenty. Well, always like orgies at Christmas time.
Oh my god. Well maybe you don't. I don't, Maybe

(26:01):
that's just me. But this fell on I guess this
fell on the twenty fourth of December, which is Christmas Eve.
But that's the reason they did this is because that
was the shortest day of the year. December twenty fifth
was actually vitegrated as the birth of the Sun because
that's the day that the days start getting progressively longer.

Speaker 6 (26:21):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (26:22):
Yeah, so starting on Christmas Day. And I'm sure most
of you are probably aware, December twenty fifth was not
the actual birthday of Jesus. Well it's not. Sorry, that's
most people believe that actually was in somewhere in July,
but nobody has pinpoint a date. But in three fifty
eight D Pope Julius decreed that it would be celebrated

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on the twenty fifth. So that's where that goes back
to the three fifty a d. That's when they decided
they were going to start doing it on the twenty
fifth every year. So it's kind of a shrewd decision
that combined the Pagan and the Christian festivals, essentially making
the Sun and the Son of God. Wanted to say,
because the Pagans did the sentenceful, it appears that it

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was succeeded in inspiring people to join the Catholic Church,
and that was apparently what the pope's main goal was
when he set that there. So I think it was
meant to try to say, hey, let's combine these two
that'll get people more religious and run to the Catholic church.

Speaker 7 (27:21):
So slick.

Speaker 4 (27:22):
Yeah. Incidentally, the Yule Tiede cookie making so people always
make cookies for Christmas time that actually was reportedly began
in Finland with eight carefully cut cookies, including one of
those shaped representing the power hell h l corresponds directly
to that of the present day swashtika.

Speaker 7 (27:43):
No way.

Speaker 4 (27:44):
So, and then here's another. This is the short one,
but this was fun Christmas in Hungary. In Hungary, Santa
Claus is known as Meculus or Winter Godfather, and celebrated
via an elaborate series of rituals begin on December fifth,
when children take special bats so they will be extra
cleaned for Michula's arrival. They also put out shoes for

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him to fill with goodies in observance of the three
gold bags. But there is this one thing, because only
the good children get the goodies, the bad ones get
a golden birch so they can be beaten with it.

Speaker 7 (28:20):
Oh man, in this so interesting, how seriously people around
the world celebrate Christmas Yep, it's very interesting.

Speaker 4 (28:30):
Okay, So I want to get into the story I
told you about little boy and his dead best friend. Now,
this story actually goes back to nineteen ninety six, and
as you can hear Ninja snoring over the background. But
this story goes back to nineteen ninety six and it

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involves a little boy named Jake who is about five
years old at the time. And what basically happened is
Jake's mom, Pam, was a single mom and she was
raising Jake all on her own, obviously, and she was
living with her parents at the time, and she worked
at a little gas station, and she had a young

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lady that she worked with named Stacy that was in
a similar situation. She lived with her parents. She had
a single kid about the same age as Jake. His
name was Chris. So Stacy and Pam became really good friends,
as did Jake and Chris. And like I said, for
about two years they were inseparable. They even had you know,
chicken pox buddies. They got chicken pox together, they were

(29:32):
in cups, scouts together, they hung out NonStop. But about
the time Jake had his seventh birthday, which was the
last time him and Chris saw each other. His mom
had remarried and had been remarried for a while and
had still been living with her mom, and they decided
to go ahead and get a place to their own,

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and they moved out. But this place was about an
hour away in a different county, so Jake and Chris
they didn't get to see each other. Shortly after the
birthday though, Chris, who was still living with his mom
at her parents' house, the grandfather was actually watching him
and they were outside him. Chris were in the garage.
He was tinkering around with his car, and he said

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he left for just a minute. It seemed like a minute.
It was a little longer than obviously, but he went
into the house to grab something. And when he came
back out in the corner there were a big pile
of poles or pipes metal that had been up in
the corner and all of them had fell down and
they were laying on top of Chris. He moved on me.

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He called nine, but by the time nine one one
had gotten there, Chris had passed away.

Speaker 7 (30:41):
Oh my gosh, bless his heart.

Speaker 4 (30:44):
Well. Jake's mom, Pam, felt like that it would be
good for Jake to go to the services the visitation,
and so she did. She took him to the visitation,
and not too long after that, Jake started having a
mas genary friend named Chris. She obviously was semi concerned

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because you know, she didn't know what was taking him
to the visitation the wrong thing to do and is
what was calling it. And she talked to some other
parents and all of the other parents were like, now
this is just his way of processing and everything would
be fine. Well, this continued on for a little bit,
and about this time, Pam and her husband started going

(31:28):
through an ugly divorce. And I keep in mind they
hadn't been together that long. I mean this is they'd
only been moved out about six months to their new place,
but they started going thro an ugly divorce. So her
and Jake moved back in with her mom. And now
it's Christmas time. It's been about six seven months since
Chris's death, and so they decide to go to Walmart,

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and you know, Jake's all excited. They're going through and
they're looking at you know, they got Christmas lights and
they got the Christmas trees, and they're discussing what they're
going to put up, so he's super excited. Then they
get to the toyat You can imagine how a seven
year old is a Christmas time in the toy isle
and you know, so they're walking around it and Jake

(32:09):
looks up and there's one of those you know, those
like white plastic guitars that had like the little keyboard
things on them so you hit them in it, but
it's not really guitar. It's just got the buttons that
you push. This was up on the top shelf and
Jake was like, oh, man, I'd like to I'd like
to see that. Well, the mom was only like five
foot two and her mom was no taller, so they

(32:31):
were like, well, I can't reach that. So they start
looking at the end of the owl for an associate
at Walmart. And he said a few seconds after that,
they heard it start playing, but it was still up
on the top shelf and there, so there's they're looking.
They see it playing, but they, you know, and they're

(32:52):
still looking for an associate at this time, and it
falls and her and her mom were just like stunned,
and Jake said, Jake said, I told you Chris could
get it. He can do anything now, and they were
so freaked out that they just grabbed him and they left,

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and you know, they started thinking about it and they
was like, man, you know, years went by and Jake
now as an adult and has his own kids and married,
he don't remember much about that day. But his mom
was telling his wife, you know, this is exactly what happened. Yeah,

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and it kind of freaked her out a little bit.
But then she said that she had separated from Stacy.
They really hadn't talked to each other, and she she
ran into her and this was, you know, after now
Jake was already grown and she was telling her about
that story, and Stacey told her, she said, you know,
Chris never left. What she said, you know, we were
having similar situations. And she said, and we had another

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kid in two thousand and three, which was what you're
looking at, seven years after Chris had passed away.

Speaker 7 (34:06):
Huh.

Speaker 4 (34:07):
She said, we had a little girl. And she said,
as soon as she started able to talk, she said,
she had an imaginary friend and his name was Chris.

Speaker 7 (34:16):
That's so sweet.

Speaker 4 (34:17):
So that's my little Christmas story.

Speaker 7 (34:19):
I love that story and really makes my heart happy.

Speaker 4 (34:24):
Yeah, it was. It was a really cool story.

Speaker 2 (34:26):
I thought.

Speaker 4 (34:26):
I thought it was cool.

Speaker 7 (34:27):
It's very good.

Speaker 4 (34:28):
Now we're gonna breeze right along. So we're gonna tell
this story. Uh, this story I'm just gonna read. So
it's gonna be a little different, but it's very disturbing nonetheless,
So I'll try to do my best, you know, Mike Brown,
slash Aaron Mankey and just try to actually be professional

(34:51):
for once instead of just champ. All right, So seven
year old Henry Childs crawled reluctantly under the covers of
his bed. But Mom, he whined, I'm not sleepy. Can't
I stay up for another few hours? It's almost ten already,
His mother, Tanya said, with an indulgent smile. If you
don't get to sleep, Santa won't stop here tonight. Do

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you think Sanna got my letter this year, Henry asked,
sitting up against the headboard. Well, I'm sure he did, honey,
because I don't want it to be like last year.
Tanya sighed heavily and rubbed her temples. She'd been hearing
this same tirade from her son for an entire year now, Henry,
there was nothing wrong with the gift you got from
Santa last year? Well, I asked for an Xbox, and

(35:35):
he gave me a PlayStation. It's not the same as
I've told you a hundred times. Maybe Santa was all
out of xboxes, Tanya said, pulling the covers up just
under Henry's chin. She and her husband had gone to
every store in the city looking for an Xbox last year,
but they'd all been sewd out. It had been a
PlayStation or nothing, but still it hadn't satisfied Henry. I

(35:58):
mailed my letter to him in October last year. Henry
said that gave him plenty of time to have his
l's whip me up an Xbox. Henry, Tanya said, a
little more sharply then she'd intended. You're being awfully ungrateful.
There are children in the world that'd have nothing if
you don't start being more appreciative of Santa. May just
decided to just skip over our house altogether this year, okay,

(36:20):
Henry said, his lower lip poked out like a shelf.
I'm sorry. Just get to sleep, Tanya said, leaning over
and kissing her son on the forehead. When you wake
up in the morning, you just might find that that
bike you've been warning is waiting under the tree. For you.
Do you think Santa will like the cookies and milk
we left out for him? Henry asked, I'm sure he will.
He'll think they're delicious. I'll see you in the morning, Sweatie.

(36:43):
Tanya turned off the light, the small nightlight plugged into
the electrical socket by the closet, throwing a muted yellow
glow throughout the room. She eased the door closed, leaving
Henry to dream of Christmas morning. Do you think it's
safe to start Jonas's childres asked his wife. They were
sitting in a living room watching a Sci Fi channel
marathon of Silent Night Deadly Night films. Tanya glanced at

(37:07):
the clock saw that it was just past one o'clock
in the morning. He should be sound asleep by now.
She said, I think we can get started good. Jonah said,
I'll probably take me till don to get this damn
bike put together anyway. So they went up to the attic,
carefully to avoid all the squeakiest boards, and brought down
all of Henry's presence. Tanya began arranging all the smaller

(37:27):
gifts around a tree, while Jonas unfolded the instructions for
the bike and began to assemble it. Shit, Jonas cursed
under his breath. Trying to fit together two pieces is
simply refused to fit together. As much trouble as this is.
Henry better liked this damn bike. Tanya knelt next to
her husband, took the uncooperative pieces and easily snapped him together.
Are you kidding? He'll absolutely love it? He better. I

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don't want to have to go through another year hearing
him bitch and moan like he did about that damn PlayStation.
It did get a little bit tiresome, Tanya said, with
a giggle. But Henry just wants what he wants, and
he won't settle for anything else. Like mother like son.
Tanya swatted her husband on the arm and said, that's
not true. I settled for you, after all. Very funny,

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Jonah said, how about you settle for passing me those cookies.
Tanya had baked a batch of oatmeal raising cookies, half
of which her family had eaten, the other half of
which had been placed on a plate for Santa Claus.
She took the plate and handed it to her husband,
who immediately inhaled to of the cookies. Careful, Tanya said,
reading over the instructions. You keep that up, you'll presume

(38:30):
be as fat as Santa. This isn't for me, Jonas said,
around a mouthful of cookies, spewing crumbs like a fine mist.
It's for Henry. Think how disappointed he would be if
he woke up and saw that Santa hadn't eaten the
cookies that he left for him. She said, don't talk
with your mouthful with a smile, Hand me with the milk, please.

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They did not leave out a glass of milk for Sanna,
since they were afraid that it would curdle, but they
placed it in the thermost to keep it cold. Tanya
passed the thermist to her husband, off the top on
the thermos, and gulped down several swallows of milk. Suddenly,
he wretched, spitting milk into the air like a geyser,
the thermist dropping from his hand and leaking its contents
onto the carpet. Jonas clutched his throat, making strange gagging noises.

(39:15):
His milk and blood dribbled down his chin. Tanya screamed
and grabbed her husband as he collapsed onto her lap.
His body was jerking with violent spasms, his eyes rolling
up to the whites. He coughed violently, and more frothy
blood sprayed Tanya's arms, and she thought there were chunks
of tissue mixed in with it. Oh God, jonas, she screamed, crying,
what's wrong? What should I do? What's going on? Henry said,

(39:36):
as he stepped into the room, wearing his pajamas, rubbing
asleep dust from his eyes. I heard screaming, Henry, get
the phone and called nine one one, Tanya yelled, frantically.
Something's wrong with your father. He needs an ambulance right away.
What is it, Henry asked, white eyed. Stepping further into
the room, Henry called nine one one now. Henry started
to turn towards the phone, but then he spotted the

(39:57):
spilled thermis of milk and froze. Did Dad drink them milk?
He asked, snatching up the thermos and waving it at his mother.
What Tanya said, filling her husband's spasms, tampering off, afraid
to even contemplate what that might mean. Your father needs help?
Did Dad drink that milk? Henry said, again, his old
stubborn self. This milk was for Santa Claus, not Dad, Henry.

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Tanya screamed, desperate, tears of frustration and helplessness streaking down
her face. This isn't the time. This milk was for
Santa Claus, not for Dad, Henry roared, throwing the thermost
across the room. A numbness began to spread throughout Tanya's body,
starting to her chest and reaching through to her limbs.
Comprehension came slowly, and it made her feel cold inside,

(40:41):
cold and empty. What did you do? She croaked, her
voice raw and raspy. Henry, what did you do to
the milk? I poured draino in it? He said, matter
of factly, as if stating that he had just brushed
his teeth. Tanya was on her feet in an instant,
The still form of her husband stretched out on the floor.
She grabbed Henry by the shoulders and shook him, shook
him hard. Why would you do such a thing, she

(41:03):
shouted into his face. Why in the name of God
would you do such a thing? I wanted an xbox,
Henry shouted back, wrenching out of his mother's grasp. Not
a PlayStation, an xbox, and Santa knew that. He knew that,
and he gave me the wrong thing. Anyway, I wanted
to teach him a lesson, make him pay for giving
me the wrong gift last year.

Speaker 7 (41:23):
Oh dude, yeah, py.

Speaker 4 (41:26):
Tanya stumbled back, hands in her mouth and watched as
her son turn and ran it into the room, slamming
the door behind him. She snatched up the phone and
quickly down nine one one while Santa chopped up a
topless teenager on the television behind her.

Speaker 7 (41:41):
The end, Santa chopped up a topless teenager.

Speaker 4 (41:46):
Yeah, they were watching Silid Night, Deadly Night Marathon.

Speaker 7 (41:48):
Remember, Oh my gosh, what a bratt. I cannot you know. Okay,
that's a terrible story. And actually seen a video something's
sort of like this on Facebook the other day, and
it's so much like it, only the kid wanted an

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Xbox or something like that. Well his brother, the parents
got his brother one. Well the brother didn't even ask
for one, and they was like, oh my gosh, I
can't believe y'all got me this. I didn't even ask
you for this, and he got something random. I don't
even know what it was. This kid got so mad
he literally threw a fit like he was like a teenager,

(42:29):
though upper teenager threw a fit grabbed the Christmas tree,
drug it outside in the yard, and put gasoline all
over it and caught it on fire. Okay, just because
he didn't get what he wanted and his brother got
what he wanted.

Speaker 4 (42:43):
Well, at this point, they weren't going to need to
treat much longer anyway, though.

Speaker 7 (42:46):
Well I understand that, but I'm telling you, this kid,
it was so ridiculous. So his dad ended up chasing
him around the yard and tell him he's crazy. And
this kid's like screaming at his parents like I can't
believe y'all didn't blah blah blah blah. And his mom's like,
come in here. She's trying to put the tree out
with the fire extinguisher. It was just a whole thing.
And so finally his mom said, come in here, come

(43:07):
in here. She had a damn Xbox for him the
whole time. Huh, she just hadn't given it to him yet.
But this was like an eighteen or nineteen year old
kay with a jerk. I mean, are you serious? I mean,
this was like a real thing.

Speaker 4 (43:19):
And then she still gave it to him.

Speaker 7 (43:20):
Yeah, of course she did. Because then as soon as
she as soon as he saw that he had won,
oh mom, and started hugging her enabler. I mean seriously,
it was. I mean his brother was like, oh my god,
are you kidding me? Are you doing this?

Speaker 4 (43:36):
I didn't get any good gifts like that as a kid, anyway,
Well I did not. Every damn gift I got as
a kid could be turned around and used against me,
like those little paddle ball games. You know, you got
the paddleball game, and then then when the uh you
know that she's got the little rubber ball on it,
in the rubber band, Oh yeah, yeah, and then once
the ball broke off of it, they would use it
to beat your ass with. Yeap, or I would get

(43:56):
like a racetrack, either a train track or car racetrack,
and then they would beat me with those pieces of
dry goods. You can't do that today. You're not gonna
beat a cable of damn three hundred dollars PS Four's not.

Speaker 7 (44:10):
Oh my gosh. It was the craziest thing. I was
just like, so, I guess the moral of the story
is people just be grateful for what you get. Loved
one to know, the family is the most important thing.
And if you're that hateful of me to try to
kill Santa Claus. You've already got the devil in you,
that's for sure. That's a terrible story.

Speaker 4 (44:31):
I think it's been a fun and lightning Christmas episode
though it was.

Speaker 7 (44:35):
Yeah, yep, it has been.

Speaker 4 (44:36):
And I can't think of any better way to end
it than a talking about serial killer facts.

Speaker 7 (44:41):
Okay, so let's do that, all right, Well, let's here
some facts about stupid people.

Speaker 4 (44:45):
Yeah, Ember, Like I said, most of you know where
she's from, Colored me Dead, and she decided to step
back a couple of weeks ago. And uh, she's working
on a new show with her husband, and she talks
a little bit about that. But I thought it would
be fun to have her on because she's got some downtime.

Speaker 7 (45:00):
Yeah, she's a pretty cool chick to love to be
somebody fun to hang out with, for sure.

Speaker 4 (45:05):
Since she lives in Utah and she actually lives really
close to Skinwalker Ranch, so she's got all kinds of stories.
And you probably have no clue what I'm talking about it.
Skinwalker Ranch is actually everybody out here will know about
Skinwrocker Ranch. It's actually a really famous story. A lot
of bizarre stuff from the UFO to sasquatch. I think
all happening right there, and it's in Utah, So okay,

(45:25):
very cool, so let's take it. Listen to Amber. All right,
we are joined on the phone by our special guest
for the evening. We kind of teased it a little
bit last week and told you that we had another
podcaster that was going to join us for a segment
this week and maybe an ongoing deal where we might
do this a couple more times over the next couple
of months. But I wanted to welcome to the phone.

(45:47):
I guess I say to the show rather than the
phone should know. Yeah, well, we'll welcome to the show,
Miss Ember Hammond, who is the former host of the
Color Me Dead podcast Amber, Welcome to the show.

Speaker 6 (45:58):
Welcome, Hi, Hi, everybody.

Speaker 4 (46:02):
Did you sound super excited?

Speaker 6 (46:03):
How is everybody doing?

Speaker 7 (46:05):
We are fantastic.

Speaker 6 (46:07):
I'm good. I'm always excited. That's just me good.

Speaker 8 (46:11):
But the lie, I'm just excited to talk to you guys.

Speaker 4 (46:15):
Do I have to warn you ahead of time that
we have a family friendly show.

Speaker 7 (46:20):
And it doesn't matter. You can do what you want.

Speaker 8 (46:24):
If you have never listened to one episode ever in
my life.

Speaker 6 (46:28):
Insert all sarcasm.

Speaker 4 (46:31):
Well and if you listen to a couple of shows
back when the Brohile guys were on, I think it's
obvious that it really doesn't matter what gets said during
these interviews.

Speaker 8 (46:40):
Well, you see, I listened to that one, so I
will be sure to don my halo and be a
good person.

Speaker 4 (46:50):
So I would gonna jump into what we're gonna do.
And we've got a very cool segment set up that
you've got all laid out for us, and we talked
a little bit about it earlier. But before we get
into what we're going to do for our show, I
thought we would just basically talk a few minutes about
you and what's going on with you. Most people who

(47:10):
listen to the show know that you've stepped away from
Color Me Dead for some personal reasons, and I thought
I'd give you a couple of seconds just tell everybody
what was going on in your life.

Speaker 8 (47:19):
Oh well, jeez, Okay, long story, Shore is it's hard
to it's hard to podcast and work around three separate schedules.

Speaker 6 (47:30):
Angel, Nikki and I.

Speaker 8 (47:31):
We are all also mothers, and so we we always
try to do it at a time that worked best.
But unfortunately my kids always not that they got pushed aside,
but podcasting is a full time thing, and they were
tired of me always researching or being on my phone

(47:52):
or having to do certain things and being told hold
on just a minute, you know, I got something to do.
And finally my oldest who is six, looked at me
and he said a few.

Speaker 6 (48:00):
Things and he basically told me that I was done.

Speaker 8 (48:04):
And I agreed with him, so I was, yeah, I mean,
when a.

Speaker 6 (48:08):
Six year old tells you some stuff and hits you
right in the hearththole.

Speaker 8 (48:12):
He told me that he wanted to ask Santa if
he could be a podcast so I would want to spend.

Speaker 6 (48:18):
More time with him.

Speaker 8 (48:19):
So yeah, kids have a way of like ripping your
heart out and stepping on it.

Speaker 6 (48:26):
So that's when I was like, Okay, I'm done.

Speaker 8 (48:28):
So I was trying to figure out a way how
can I still podcast and do this full time because
I love I love podcasting. I didn't know that I
would love it as much until I got into it,
and I love the whole process of it and I
research anyways, It's a form of therapy for me.

Speaker 6 (48:44):
So it was a way to also utilize what I do.

Speaker 8 (48:48):
And I was trying to think and the only way
that I could do it is if I sat down,
and if I gave myself a few months, do a
whole bunch of research, do a whole bunch of recording,
have a whole.

Speaker 6 (48:56):
Bunch of editing done.

Speaker 8 (48:57):
That way there's a nice nest egg, if that makes sense,
So in case if something happens, you don't have to
worry about meeting up with schedules. You have a fallback.
And also if I could record at night after all
my kids went to bed, well, unfortunately, at night that's
when Angel's family is all home and she can spend

(49:18):
time with them. And Nikki is now a single mom
with three kids. She can't load up her three kids
and come over at nine o'clock at night. I can't
load up my three kids and come over to her
house at nine o'clock at night.

Speaker 6 (49:30):
So there was never going to be.

Speaker 8 (49:32):
A permanent solution to be able to just manage it
all for long term. And so I couldn't look my
little six year old in the face anymore and tell them,
you know, things will be fine.

Speaker 6 (49:45):
So that's why I decided to step away.

Speaker 8 (49:47):
And I gave the girls all the stuff, and I
hope them the best and I'm sure that they will
make awesome things out of it. We're all we're all
still cool, like there's nothing wrong that way. This family
always comes first.

Speaker 7 (49:58):
So it's just kind of bad timing, I guess. But
the time in willcom and it it'll be great.

Speaker 6 (50:05):
Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 8 (50:05):
And the one the one cool thing is uh my husband, Quinn.
He's been on our show more than once. He was
our disclaimer of voice. He's the Color Me Dead voice,
the voice of David Parker Ray in episodes I think
twenty through twenty three, and.

Speaker 6 (50:19):
His voice has been very sought after. People love his
voice nice. And we've always kind of played around with
doing our.

Speaker 8 (50:26):
Own podcast, and Color Me Dad just took up so
much time that that wasn't a thing. So now that
I don't have to worry about that, we're kind of
we're gonna move forward and we're gonna have our own
podcast and it's gonna it's gonna branch away from Color
Me Dead. I'm changing completely how I want us to
talk about things, and we talk about all all those

(50:46):
subjects that you can't bring up around random strangers.

Speaker 6 (50:50):
Well you can, but you're gonna get weird looks.

Speaker 8 (50:53):
So though, right, Usually that's my go to because I'm
not a very around crowds, are a very shy person,
and so usually if people talk to me a whole bunch,
I spout off random facts about the serial killer because
either they're going to love me or they're going to
leave me alone, and I'm okay with either.

Speaker 4 (51:13):
So well, that's going to be a good segue into
what we're going to be doing here tonight, because we
have a little segment called Ember's Killer Facts. And what
we're going to do is you have prepared a list
of one to ten of random facts about serial killers,
and me and Tracy are going to take turns picking numbers,

(51:36):
and if we don't get through all of them this time,
we'll do this again, which is the intention, and uh,
we're just going to have some fun with it. So
are you ready for this? Trade? Ready? I will let
Tracy and first of all, before we get into this,
I had no idea that was Quinn on the begin
at the beginning of your shows doing the disclaimer.

Speaker 6 (51:53):
Yeah, yep, that's my husband.

Speaker 4 (51:55):
He does have an awesome voice. I had no clue.
I just thought that was something you'll had professionally done.

Speaker 8 (52:00):
Nope, Nope, I've I've sat my husband dad and I said,
make you have a good voice that can be stern
and understood and it's deep and it's awesome.

Speaker 6 (52:12):
And so do it.

Speaker 8 (52:13):
And he's actually been on a different podcast from one
of our friends. I say Corpus del Taco now because
there was this whole thing, but it's Corpus Delicti or
however people want to say it. And so he's been
on their show before, so it's kind of cool.

Speaker 7 (52:28):
That is cool. So he's going to be hooked and
ready to go when you're all ready to do.

Speaker 6 (52:32):
It, exactly, exactly, exactly. So serial killer facts, all right,
pick a number, any.

Speaker 4 (52:39):
Number, Tracy.

Speaker 7 (52:40):
Pick a number number, sick.

Speaker 6 (52:41):
Number, sick.

Speaker 8 (52:43):
Oh look you pick John Wayne Gacy. Nice, ha fun,
fun fun. So if people don't know who John Wayne
Gacy is, oh my gosh, my dog was so loud.
I am so sorry.

Speaker 4 (52:56):
Yeah, we don't allow dogs on a show, man, I'm
so sorry.

Speaker 6 (53:04):
But John Wayne Gacy was also known as Pogo the Clown.

Speaker 8 (53:08):
He unfortunately, was a total piece of work, and he
murdered thirty three boys that we know of, and he
hid most of them under his crawl space in his house.

Speaker 6 (53:21):
Yeah.

Speaker 8 (53:22):
So my fun little fact about him is, and it's
probably I don't know, I never know what it's like
super well known and what is not, but he was
actually photographed with the first Lady at the time, so
Roseline Carter, as he was receiving his Secret Service clearance.
He's probably the only serial killer that we knew love

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that was actually granted Secret Service clearance.

Speaker 4 (53:49):
Obviously they did a great job of checking that out.

Speaker 6 (53:52):
Mm hmmm. And it was just because he was such
a prominent member, and he was.

Speaker 8 (53:58):
Very much and Democratic Party activist, and he was always
doing things within his community, and that's how he got
his clearance.

Speaker 6 (54:08):
So I've always found that weird because that's what everybody says.

Speaker 8 (54:11):
Obviously, back in the day, they didn't do their research
very well.

Speaker 4 (54:16):
You know, it's funny. I have a little John Wayne
Gacy story that actually I was researching for this particular
show trying to find some scary Christmas stories, and one
of the stories I ran across was actually a little
girl said that when she was well, she wasn't a
little girl at the time or when she told the story,
but when she was a little girl, she can remember

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her dad having a conversation. It was Christmas time and
all the relatives were over and she walked into the
room and they just quit talking, and she said he
seemed like he was visibly disturbed. And years later she
found out that what he talked about every year this
got brought up is that when he was younger, him

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and a friend decided to go to a gay bar.
And when they were at this gay bar, this guy
approached him was talking about he had some work that
he needed done for his house and invited him and
his buddy over. Uh, and and he decided, you know,
I just got a funny feeling about this guy. I'm
not gonna do it. But his buddy did go over
there to work on his house and he was one

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of the guys that they found in his cross space.

Speaker 6 (55:20):
Wow, So that's crazy.

Speaker 7 (55:23):
You just do not know people.

Speaker 6 (55:25):
I mean you really don't.

Speaker 7 (55:27):
Yeah. I mean somebody that can just be in the
public guy like that, And I mean just you just
don't know what goes on behind closed doors. And that
is really scary.

Speaker 4 (55:36):
Yep.

Speaker 8 (55:36):
That's why you just side eye everybody. Yeah, made this
play it safe. Yeah, and don't trust anybody.

Speaker 4 (55:43):
Okay, I got one.

Speaker 6 (55:44):
A couple Oh, hold on, I'm not done.

Speaker 7 (55:47):
Well.

Speaker 8 (55:50):
I was also just gonna say, I don't know how
many people knew that he was also a mortician's assistant,
which is how he knew how to handle bodies and
how he was able to hide them under crawl space.

Speaker 6 (56:00):
For so long without his wife or his children funding him.

Speaker 4 (56:03):
Oh yeah, I had no clue either. Wow, do you
have some Do you have some more? Can I go
on with our show?

Speaker 6 (56:10):
You can? You can lead your show now. I deeply apologize.

Speaker 7 (56:15):
Now that was that was really interesting because I guess
if so he was worked with a mortician that I mean,
he had to have the smell somehow.

Speaker 4 (56:25):
So yeah, he probably probably used the line or the
line all the other stuff that they tend to use.

Speaker 7 (56:32):
Yeah, wow, that's interesting. Okay, sorry, yeah, are you done now?

Speaker 4 (56:36):
Because I have a question?

Speaker 7 (56:38):
Am I done?

Speaker 4 (56:38):
Yeah?

Speaker 6 (56:39):
Question?

Speaker 7 (56:39):
I'm sorry.

Speaker 4 (56:40):
Well, okay, it's not really a question. I just have
a number number two.

Speaker 8 (56:44):
Number two. Oh you picked my favorite one. Okay, So
we're going to talk about Richard Chase, now, Dick Chase.

Speaker 6 (56:52):
Who is also Dick Chase, Dick Trent and Chase.

Speaker 8 (56:56):
He was another serial killer and unfortunately the reason why
I love this case so much is because it's also
extremely tragic.

Speaker 6 (57:05):
He was.

Speaker 8 (57:07):
He had schizophrenia, very very severe, and even as a teenager,
he knew something was wrong and he went to different
There's numerous times saying there's something wrong with me, Please
help me, Please help me, and they would help him
for a time. But this was also in the seventies and.

Speaker 6 (57:24):
So they didn't really have.

Speaker 8 (57:26):
A full grasp on schizophrenia like they do now, and
so they would hospitalize them, medicate him for a little while,
and then let him be released. Unfortunately, his mom's way
and his parents' way of handling that was let's just
take him and put him in his own apartment, completely isolated,
which is the worst thing that you can do. And yeah,

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he was also known as the vampire Sacramento.

Speaker 6 (57:51):
He drank victim's blood. He was actually shooting himself up
with rabbit's.

Speaker 8 (57:55):
Blood throughout different times when he was trying to get
help because he felt that his heart was going to
turn into powder and he was losing blood and all
this different things that way.

Speaker 6 (58:07):
But as far as his fun fact is, he used to.

Speaker 8 (58:10):
Actually blend up body parts and mix it with coca
cola to make a kind of weird milkshake out of it. Yeah,
definitely not two things I would ever put together.

Speaker 6 (58:22):
But you know, who am I to judge? That's what
I do the best.

Speaker 4 (58:28):
Well, if if one of his victim's name was Hope,
he could be making Hope floats.

Speaker 7 (58:34):
Oh you.

Speaker 8 (58:39):
He also thought that the way that he could absorb
vitamin see better was to put orange pills on his head,
so he would randomly pil an orange and then just
put him on his head and walk around for a while.

Speaker 7 (58:52):
Welly dang crazy, that's one.

Speaker 4 (58:54):
That's one fact that I didn't know about it. As a
matter of fact, I think I actually posted that this
week on the on the Facebook page. Is one of
the little twisted thoughts.

Speaker 6 (59:03):
Well, see you look at you go. You don't even
need me.

Speaker 4 (59:06):
It was luck stup I fell into it.

Speaker 7 (59:11):
Any of this stuff. This is so interesting.

Speaker 4 (59:14):
But then again, she's not heard of any of the
stuff we do on our show, So.

Speaker 6 (59:17):
Maybe she just pretends that way to make you feel better.

Speaker 4 (59:20):
Yeah, that's probably what it is. You're trying to pick
a number, Princess.

Speaker 8 (59:30):
More dang, No, I mean there could be more, but
I would just give you a full episode on it.

Speaker 6 (59:36):
And so you can pick another number.

Speaker 4 (59:40):
Pick a number, babe.

Speaker 6 (59:41):
Four four.

Speaker 8 (59:42):
Okay, So number four is Danny Rowling, who is also
known as the game Gainesville.

Speaker 6 (59:51):
Ripper, And he was obviously another.

Speaker 8 (59:54):
Serial killer who murdered five students in Gainesville, Florida, and
then later he confessed to raping several of his victims.

Speaker 9 (01:00:03):
And he also did a triple homicide in Louisiana, and
he attempted to murder his dad, and he ultimately confessed
to killing eight people.

Speaker 8 (01:00:16):
Now, his little fun facts, which isn't really a fun fact.

Speaker 6 (01:00:20):
I mean, if you look into the murder at all,
you're gonna know.

Speaker 8 (01:00:22):
But what he did with his victims is after he
had murdered them, he would usually pose them in provocative
poses and like set up mirrors and stuff, so when
whoever found them, they would find this dead body doing
inappropriate things to itself. And one time he actually decapitated
one of the women and set her head up above

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to where it was looking down on her body doing
the inappropriate things.

Speaker 7 (01:00:48):
He was.

Speaker 6 (01:00:50):
A real piece of work.

Speaker 7 (01:00:52):
What a sickle?

Speaker 8 (01:00:54):
Yeah, yeah, he also has Sadly, he has a very
beautiful singing voice. I've actually heard one of his tapes
before of him singing, and if you never knew him
and you just heard his stuff, like you'd be like, oh,
he sounds really good.

Speaker 6 (01:01:10):
I really like him.

Speaker 8 (01:01:11):
And then you find out who it is and it's
just bone chilling because you're like, oh my gosh, this
person is terrible.

Speaker 7 (01:01:19):
Oh what's wrong.

Speaker 8 (01:01:22):
It goes back into that whole thing, and you can't
trust anybody just when you think you're.

Speaker 6 (01:01:28):
Safe or not.

Speaker 4 (01:01:29):
I wonder how many people's chairs would turn around on
the voice if he was.

Speaker 6 (01:01:32):
On there, Probably all fool He has a great voice.

Speaker 7 (01:01:39):
My goodness.

Speaker 4 (01:01:41):
That'd be the interview i'd like to see afterwards, just
talk about where he grew up. He had a rough childhood.

Speaker 8 (01:01:48):
Try to kill his dad, no big deal, and he
was actually he was put to death in two thousand
and six by lethal injection, thankfully.

Speaker 6 (01:01:57):
So that makes it rampy. Yeah, it has a big
waste of space. We don't need him around.

Speaker 7 (01:02:04):
No, we do not.

Speaker 4 (01:02:05):
All right, we'll do one more and we'll finish up
on this one eleven eleven.

Speaker 6 (01:02:14):
That was not one through ten. But you're lucky that
I have an eleven.

Speaker 4 (01:02:20):
Let's do number eight.

Speaker 6 (01:02:21):
Oh you cut out number one eight, number eight, Oh, Okay,
So this is actually a case that I.

Speaker 8 (01:02:27):
Will be featuring and it's about the Snowtown murders. And
the Snowtown murders were in South Australia. And what's funny
is back when I was with Color Me Dead, I
had said that I've always wanted to cover the story,
but what you can find on the Internet versus what
you can find through other sources are two completely different things.
And there was this book that I really really wanted,

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but it's like fifty dollars or.

Speaker 6 (01:02:50):
Something, and so I was like, oh, it will be
a minute.

Speaker 8 (01:02:52):
And one of my good friends, her name is Sonya,
she actually had the book and she sent.

Speaker 6 (01:02:58):
It to me.

Speaker 8 (01:02:59):
So I've been reading through that and it's fascinating. But
my fun fact about the Snowtown murder in South Australia
is there were four people that committed the crimes and
there were for at least six bodies found, but none
of them. They were all found in the town of Snowtown,
but none none of the people involved wherever from Snowtown.

(01:03:22):
It was like a body dump site, which is usually
pretty rare because usually where somebody is found, they're usually
from there or somebody's from there, and in this case,
nobody was from there, so unfortunately Snowtown just kind of
got crapped on. And one of the old there was
this old lady that had a shot there and she
had a dark, twisted sense of humor, and I wish,

(01:03:44):
I wish that she was still doing stuff. She actually
made almost like ceramic I don't know, ceramic things, sculptures, whatever.
And it was a barrel because they found all these
people in baths of acid and stuff in an old bank.
And she had this little barrel that had a head

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and like a foot sticking out that would say Snowtown
on it. And she would also have magnets that would
have barrels on it, and I would say, welcome to Snowtown.
We're barrels of fun, right, Like you don't want to
laugh because it's horrible.

Speaker 6 (01:04:24):
That is hilarious.

Speaker 4 (01:04:26):
Well, I love all the true crime stuff, as far
as you know, I don't. I don't necessarily love like
every story, but I love certain stories like we just
did you know Room ten forty six. I think that's fascinating.
The hh Holmes stuff, Jack the Ripper, I think all
those are interesting. Oh yeah, But like there's a couple

(01:04:47):
that I end up I want to cover it, whether
it be a Patren episode or the regular episode. But
then the Town of Dreaded Sundown, the movie was based
on the text ar Cana Murderser. I think that would
be an awesome story to do, so I plan on
doing that one. I love a lot of the cult stuff,
like the Jonestown massacre. As a matter of fact, we've
got a listener of ours up in Germany. She's one

(01:05:11):
of our military listeners. She sent me something that a
friend had put together, but it was I guess they
had to go in there and clean up the bodies
after the fact, and it was like the first hand
account of what went on then, which I've never heard
anything about. So I've got that little tidbit of information

(01:05:31):
that I'm just going to hold on too from that
Victoria sent us. And when I do that story, hopefully
it'll add something to it that nobody else has been
able to put to it.

Speaker 6 (01:05:40):
Oh yeah, I hope.

Speaker 7 (01:05:40):
So love.

Speaker 8 (01:05:42):
I love different cults, especially that, especially that story. That
one's always fascinated me ever since I was little, and
I like different things.

Speaker 6 (01:05:52):
There's a lot of most of.

Speaker 8 (01:05:54):
Your more popular serial killers that we all know about
most of them, I find annoying.

Speaker 6 (01:05:59):
And I don't know why.

Speaker 4 (01:06:02):
It's because Ted Bundy. Ted Bundy, like, for example, all
anybody talks about him was how good luck he was.
It's like, that's you.

Speaker 6 (01:06:11):
Did you see his face?

Speaker 4 (01:06:12):
Well compared to other ones, compared to like Richard Ramirez
and uh uh some of these other ones. So John
Wayne Gacy, I guess he was pretty attractive.

Speaker 8 (01:06:21):
Yeah, but he's still I don't know. He kind of
looks like a cross eyed Siamese cat to me. So,
but yeah, like a lot of them, a lot of
your heavy hitters, I don't really it's not I don't know.
I just feel like they were overinflated when there are
so many other ones that, once you start digging into
that are way more I don't know, tragic, interesting, The

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psychology of it is way better.

Speaker 6 (01:06:47):
Like I don't know how to explain it.

Speaker 4 (01:06:48):
But well Ed Dean is one of the big ones
that actually lived up to the hype though, I mean
his he had so many factors when and I thought
Dahmer was kind of like that too. They're they're the
bigger names, but they have so many different facets, right.

Speaker 6 (01:07:06):
Right, and well ed Dean. He was more. He was
just pretty much just.

Speaker 8 (01:07:13):
Goulish and disgusting, and I you know, that was one
of the last cases that I really did with color
me dead and reading through different things I've I've gone
through and I've thought a bunch of different things about him.
But still at the end of the day, we have
Eddan to think. For most of our horror films, that
story kind of was the birth of a lot of
different things.

Speaker 6 (01:07:33):
I mean, we had Psycho and then Texas Chainsaw.

Speaker 8 (01:07:35):
Massacre, and he was gleamed from the.

Speaker 6 (01:07:38):
Silence of the lambs and with all.

Speaker 8 (01:07:40):
Those far different create you know, like creative juices. And
so would our horror history be what it is today
without him? I don't think so. So I think that's
why he's most well known. And it was also very
shocking for its time. It's one thing to kill somebody,
but it's another thing to decorate your house with them
after they're dead.

Speaker 4 (01:08:02):
Yeah, I mean, you know, you know he's no Martha Stewart,
but you.

Speaker 6 (01:08:05):
Know he was a Martha Stewart. I mean, he did
not put anything in the waste? Did you see that?
In lamp? Some fine qualitity.

Speaker 4 (01:08:19):
Ember, It's been fantastic having you on the show. It's
been a long time coming. I tried to get you
on FACK months ago when schedules just didn't allow. But
it was fun having you on and I greatly appreciate it,
and I know Tracy does, and I think all the
listeners are going to love it because what we're finding
out with the last show we did that was more
of a true crime based show than paranormal. It's gotten

(01:08:43):
the most listens we've ever gotten a show, so I
think people will love hearing this little bit on here.

Speaker 6 (01:08:48):
Well, that's awesome, and thanks for having me on. I
love your guys' show.

Speaker 8 (01:08:52):
I've listened to you since pretty much it started into podcasting.

Speaker 6 (01:08:56):
I think I randomly found you guys on Twitter.

Speaker 8 (01:08:58):
Some say one time and I'm like, hmm, let's listen,
and I listened.

Speaker 6 (01:09:04):
And I enjoy you guys.

Speaker 8 (01:09:06):
So I've been trying to play it cool and not
act like I'm fangirling.

Speaker 6 (01:09:11):
So I hope it's working.

Speaker 7 (01:09:13):
Yeah, you're sweetheart, and we're just honored to have you
on our show.

Speaker 8 (01:09:18):
Well, thank you guys so much for having me, and
I hope that you guys have a wonderful evening.

Speaker 7 (01:09:24):
All right, we don't talk to you. Haven't merry Christmas?

Speaker 8 (01:09:27):
Okay, oh, yes, you do the very same. I forget
that Christmas is so soon. So yeah, have a merry
Christmas guys, Yeah, sure.

Speaker 4 (01:09:33):
Will Yeah, this episode actually comes out on Christmas Eve.

Speaker 7 (01:09:36):
Oh cool.

Speaker 6 (01:09:38):
Oh well, Merry Christmas Eve. Everybody, have a lovely day.

Speaker 4 (01:09:42):
All right, We'll talk to you later.

Speaker 6 (01:09:44):
All right, see you guys. Bye bye.

Speaker 4 (01:09:48):
So that's Amberg and her little Killer facts. I thought
that was a pretty cool little segment.

Speaker 7 (01:09:53):
Yeah, yeah, it's learned a lot.

Speaker 4 (01:09:55):
Actually, like I said, is going to have our new show,
and when she gets it up and running, will help her.
But I think she said that, you know, we're looking
at probably March, after.

Speaker 7 (01:10:03):
The holidays and all that stuff.

Speaker 4 (01:10:05):
Yeah, that'd be kind of fun. Also, also, what's gonna
be fun? You probably heard at the beginning of the show,
we ran a promo for Mirths and Monsters. That's actually
c K or Kevin Classic Kevin, depends on what you
want to call him, but I prefer I prefer Kevin,
but he goes he goes by c K for and
he got his name Classic Kevin from the Girls from

(01:10:29):
And that's why we drink. Yeah, they did that the
episode about the death chair that was like a haunted chair.
I supposed if you touch it, and he actually went
up to it, and he went to the chair and
actually took pictures of him touching and stuff like that,
and they were going on, it's classic Kevin, classic, so
he started using the term classic Kevin. But they've actually

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helped him a whole lot in getting started and all that,
and we talk a lot on Facebook. So we're going
to actually set him up the first week of January.
We're going to do an interview come on. So if
you haven't heard his show yet, First of all, he's
got a coolest Scottish accent, so that's the first thing.
He'll be the first Scottish accent we've had on the show.
But his show is very clean, it's very family oriented,

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it's funny, it's short. They're only like twenty thirty minutes long.
But yeah, if you like myths and legends, which I
absolutely love, he's kind of it's similar to that in
the fact that it's kind of funny and he's talking about,
you know, some folklore and myths and legends stuff like that.
But yeah, it's a really cool show. And like I said,

(01:11:34):
it's very kid friendly. So if you've got children out
there that like listen to podcast it's the perfect show
for him to listen to. So and plus he got
nominated and actually was like in the top five in
those podcast awards that just came out. Yeah, and for
and you know, for him being a pretty new show.
I think he's only got fifteen sixteen episodes. That's great,

(01:11:55):
but he's an overall great guy. And I think you've
got to check it out. So Mirth's and Monsters, wherever
you listen to podcasts, give them a listen. Guys, Merry Christmas,
thank you so much for an awesome year. I hope
everybody has a safe time. Just because we didn't do
it at the beginning, I saved it to the end
for a special but I want to give a special
Merry Christmas and a happy New Year to all of

(01:12:17):
our military and civil servants all over the world. It's
tough being away from your family, and I just wanted
to say that we appreciate everything you guys do because
without you guys making these sacrifices, we wouldn't be able
to do the things that we do. And so many
other people around the world wouldn't be able to do

(01:12:38):
what they do. You guys gives us the gift of
freedom here at Christmas, and there is no bigger gift
than that.

Speaker 7 (01:12:44):
Amen. Well said babe.

Speaker 4 (01:12:45):
We will see you next week.

Speaker 7 (01:12:47):
Hey Christmas guys. We love you all and enjoy your family.