TOC Christmas Special

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Hello, Heabilion nation. This is Tim. How are you. We
are doing good on this side. We are freshly back
from vacation. We have Christmas coming up this week, and
with that said, we have a special this week. The
Tragedy of Cinema's annual Christmas show is now live and

(00:26):
we are going to share that with you today. Hope
you got a lot of time. We're looking at almost
three hours of programming for you to listen to and
we're going to get right into it, so everybody have
a very merry Christmas.

Speaker 2 (00:44):
All right, guys, Merry Christmas and welcome to the Tragedy
of Cinema podcast. It's a wonderful podcast life. We are
excited again to bring this to you. It is our
sixth year doing this. You're going to hear some old
friends of the pod and maybe even some new friends
of the podcast that have decided to join in this year.

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It's always humbling when you get to do something special
like this for people that may not have any friends
or family at Christmas, and we just want to give
you guys something to listen to. So I just want
to give a shout out real quick to Tim Mullens. Tim,
thanks for putting in all the time and effort and
editing this. So without further ado, let's get this thing started.

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Speaker 2 (02:37):
All Right, guys, welcome. I'm your host Jimbo, and I'm
joined by my two co hosts. Today.

Speaker 7 (02:44):
Hey, this is Bond and this is eight e Z.

Speaker 2 (02:47):
I have asked these two, yay, who's to come on
and help spread some Christmas cheer. Eric was trying to
be the grinch or the grump, so we had to
tell him he's gotta stay u a little bit late
and join us for this. So this is going to
be like one of our normal episodes. We're going to
just have like a roundtable discussion. So I am going
to start off by asking the question, Eric, Bond, give

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me your top ten Christmas movies of all time?

Speaker 8 (03:17):
Top ten top So that's a big list.

Speaker 2 (03:20):
Okay, how how about I give you the top ten
and you agree or disagree with where they're at on
here or what you would add or take away. Ye,
go for all right? Coming in at number ten, The
Muppet Christmas Carol from nineteen ninety two. Agree, I disagree.

Speaker 8 (03:40):
Yeah, yeah, I'm gonna say yes, that's a great one.
You'd be surprised how many people, when asked, say that
is their favorite version of a Christmas Carol.

Speaker 2 (03:50):
We know it's Dustin's favorite, right, He's mentioned it all
the time.

Speaker 8 (03:53):
He loves that movie.

Speaker 6 (03:56):
Eric.

Speaker 2 (03:56):
Eric's probably never even seen it.

Speaker 7 (03:58):
Say, that's probably about where it needs to be, so far,
it may move.

Speaker 2 (04:01):
Up, all right. Number nine, I have Scrooged from nineteen
eighty eight, starring the Great Bill Murray.

Speaker 8 (04:11):
Nope, nope, nope, nope.

Speaker 7 (04:13):
Yeah, I'm never really a fan of that one either.
I think it was at the height of Bill Murray's
well you had a good run there in the early nineties.
And yeah, I'm not a big fan of that one.

Speaker 2 (04:24):
I for a number eight. This list has the Santa Claus,
but I am taking that out. It's not in my
top ten. I am putting in Ernest Saved Christmas at
number eight?

Speaker 7 (04:37):
Why the why the dislike for the Santa Claus now.

Speaker 2 (04:41):
Because Ernest is better? You know what I mean?

Speaker 9 (04:43):
Vern is No?

Speaker 10 (04:45):
I do not know what you mean.

Speaker 7 (04:46):
Vern No, Santa Claus is.

Speaker 8 (04:48):
Rough crowd today, right clause?

Speaker 2 (04:50):
Come on ross crowding?

Speaker 8 (04:53):
How many sequels do that thing have? Like three or
four sequels going off?

Speaker 9 (04:56):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (04:57):
You had Martin short where he was what Jack Frost?

Speaker 8 (04:59):
Yeah, I mean yeah, that's a great special effects are
great in that one.

Speaker 2 (05:03):
Well, how many spinoffs did Ernest have? Ernest goes to school,
Ernest rides again this episode you never know, just goes
to jail. Okay, okay, so all right? How about this
number seven? Rootolf the Red Nose Reindeer, the TV special
from nineteen sixty four.

Speaker 8 (05:22):
That's a classic, only number seven.

Speaker 2 (05:25):
Hang on you, I gotta get the hang on. That's
one of my all time favorites. Right number six? How
about the TV special from nineteen sixty six, how the
Grinch Stole Christmas? Starring the old great Boris Karloff.

Speaker 8 (05:38):
It was fitcent Price, No, it was Boris Karloff.

Speaker 2 (05:40):
There, my friend, and you're a teacher, read hold on,
hold the Google I have it right here on my phone.
It is Boris Carlos. How do you not know it's
not Boris Karloff. Vond our toast is going to be
so disappointed in you.

Speaker 8 (05:54):
You think it's If you think it's Boris Karloff, that's
perfectly fine.

Speaker 6 (05:57):
Eric.

Speaker 7 (05:57):
What numbers? What number is this? One? Seven?

Speaker 8 (06:00):
I put a number fix de three with its placement.
I think that's about right now.

Speaker 7 (06:03):
Now with the classic song that accompanies the.

Speaker 2 (06:07):
Yeah and honorable mention, the Jim Carrey Grinch was pretty
good too, so I'm gonna kind of tag it in
there too, So we'll just put the whole Grinch in there,
all right. Number five Miracle on thirty four Street from
nineteen forty seven.

Speaker 7 (06:23):
That's a solid five.

Speaker 8 (06:25):
Yeah, that's a good one, man. I like that placement
right there.

Speaker 7 (06:27):
As long as it's a wonderful life is number one,
we're all good.

Speaker 9 (06:32):
Number four.

Speaker 8 (06:33):
I think it's better than.

Speaker 2 (06:33):
Rudolph national Lampoon's Christmas Vacation at number four.

Speaker 7 (06:37):
That's definitely top five.

Speaker 9 (06:39):
Yeah.

Speaker 8 (06:39):
Yeah, that's a great one, man. I think that's one
of the one of the most quotable Christmas movies that
we have.

Speaker 2 (06:45):
Number three, I don't know. Number three is Home Alone.

Speaker 7 (06:51):
Yeah, that's I'm okay with that placement.

Speaker 8 (06:53):
Really, Yeah, it's got to be up there in the
top five.

Speaker 2 (06:56):
Yes, are you going to put it in the top
five over White Christmas? Because White Christmas isn't even on
this list, but I like White Christmas. I think White
Christmas should be number three in is at a home Alan?

Speaker 7 (07:07):
Personally, I like Home Alone better?

Speaker 2 (07:13):
Number two better watch out because ad Z will put
his eye out Christmas story.

Speaker 7 (07:21):
That's about right.

Speaker 8 (07:22):
Well, let me think about it. It's twenty four hours
of a Christmas.

Speaker 2 (07:26):
And Eric watches all twenty four hours.

Speaker 11 (07:29):
Yeah.

Speaker 7 (07:29):
That was my youngest daughter's favorite movie for all times
of the year. Didn't you did it morning? She would
watch it on VHS?

Speaker 2 (07:38):
Didn't you just get the Ralfie's Lego House or something.

Speaker 7 (07:42):
I'm about to order it, going to put it together
here very soon. It's going to go on our little shelf.

Speaker 2 (07:48):
And number one, that's not technically a Christmas movie, right, Bond.

Speaker 7 (07:54):
I know it was released.

Speaker 2 (07:55):
It's a Wonderful Life.

Speaker 7 (07:58):
Was released in like the Fall or the Summer, right,
and it was a flop at the box.

Speaker 2 (08:02):
I was gonna say, die Hard just to see what
I thought for sure the number one. Just for the record,
for the sixth straight year, die Hard is not a
Christmas movie. Just in case Ray Garcia is listening or
anybody else, Diehard is not a Christmas movie. I will
die on that hill.

Speaker 8 (08:20):
Die Hard is a Christmas movie as much as It's
a Wonderful Life is a Christmas movie.

Speaker 2 (08:25):
But wait, not only that. I did a little bit
of research, Fellows, I want to know if you know
or can guess. I'll just say the top three, the
top three highest grossing movies that came out on Christmas Day.
Meet the Parents Close, Meet the Fokkers in two thousand

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and four with five hundred and twenty two point seven million,
it came in at number two.

Speaker 8 (08:52):
That's a good guess.

Speaker 7 (08:55):
I only know that because my family and I, for
some reason, we change our tradition up when we went
to that movie. Well, it wasn't Meet the Fokers, it
was Meet the Payments, the first one that came out.
And I've never laughed so hard.

Speaker 2 (09:08):
That's so funny, dude, I love that movie.

Speaker 8 (09:13):
So mean that makes it a Christmas movie.

Speaker 2 (09:16):
No, it's just stay about on Christmas Day.

Speaker 7 (09:18):
Yes, that's correct, But it was just released on Christmas,
so that was number two, And you're looking for number one, Jimbo, Yeah,
one and three, one and three? Uh bond any Yes, I've.

Speaker 8 (09:29):
Got no guests. Man, we don't remember go to the
movies on Christmas Day.

Speaker 2 (09:32):
Number three is d Django unchained from twenty twelve at
four hundred and forty nine point eight million, and number
one Sherlock Holmes from two thousand and seven or nine.
I can't read my handwriting with five hundred and twenty
four to five hundred and twenty five million dollars, So
no one.

Speaker 8 (09:53):
Goes to seek movies on Christmas Day. If those are
the top three, well no, I'm just saying Christmas Day,
on Christmas Day that actually the kids have opened the presence.
We've had Hot Coco, now, Django one chain.

Speaker 2 (10:08):
That one threw me, all I know, but I'm just
saying this. You know, it's just the highest grossing ones,
right all right, now we're really going to get into
the nitty grites. Are you ready? The top ten Christmas
songs of all time? Are you guys ready?

Speaker 8 (10:27):
All right? I think I think I know?

Speaker 9 (10:30):
All right, Here we go.

Speaker 2 (10:32):
Number ten Felice Navidad by jose Feliciano.

Speaker 7 (10:37):
In nineteen seventy and that song I hate it.

Speaker 2 (10:41):
Man, Wow, wow, Bond, you you're a fan of Felice Navidad. No,
not really well, as our toast would say, please smell
my socks, Please smell my socks.

Speaker 8 (10:54):
Same like six words, over and over and over again.

Speaker 2 (10:57):
Number nine Santa Claus Is Coming to Town by Bruce
Springsteen Live, nineteen seventy five.

Speaker 8 (11:04):
Santa Claus Is Coming to Town.

Speaker 2 (11:06):
I won't even cranked my top ten.

Speaker 8 (11:08):
But if you would have said the original Santa Claus
Is Coming Town, I would have said, yes. But the
Bruce Springsteen version, You're killing me.

Speaker 2 (11:17):
Number eight It's the Most Wonderful Time of the Year
by Andy Williams nineteen sixty three.

Speaker 8 (11:27):
I like that one.

Speaker 7 (11:27):
Indifferent to that one. They play it enough for sure,
but yeah, that's about right.

Speaker 12 (11:33):
I guess yeah.

Speaker 13 (11:34):
I like that.

Speaker 2 (11:34):
Coming in at number seven, one of the biggest charity
singles ever, packed with major artists of the era. Uh oh,
number seven? Do they know it's Christmas? Band Aid nineteen
eighty four.

Speaker 8 (11:48):
That's an awesome one, man, I love that song, Bond,
I love that song.

Speaker 2 (11:52):
Bond's a fan of course, man.

Speaker 8 (11:55):
You know why I love that song because I like
to play it and I like to try to sing
like all of the professional.

Speaker 2 (12:01):
Kind of like Eric does with We Are the World. Well,
you used to say, somebody hits that, Cindy Lopper.

Speaker 8 (12:08):
Yeah, oh yeah, that's great man.

Speaker 2 (12:11):
Number six the Christmas song Chestnuts Roasting on an Open
Fire by nat King Cole in nineteen forty six.

Speaker 8 (12:18):
That should be the number one song.

Speaker 7 (12:19):
Yeah, I'm okay with that one too.

Speaker 2 (12:21):
All right, here we go the top five. Are we ready?
Rocking around the Christmas Tree comes into number five by
Brenda Lee in nineteen fifty eight.

Speaker 8 (12:32):
No, that's the song they played to people in Guintanamo
to get them.

Speaker 2 (12:36):
To confess the waterboarding song.

Speaker 8 (12:39):
Yes, that's the water boarding song.

Speaker 9 (12:41):
All right?

Speaker 7 (12:42):
She just win a Grammy for that, or like a
couple of years ago. Just now, yeah, like the why
was it? I have to come back to that she
won an award for something might have been in Grammy.

Speaker 9 (12:54):
All right.

Speaker 2 (12:56):
Number four jingle Bell Rock by Bobby Helms in nineteen
fifty seven.

Speaker 8 (13:05):
These are fake rock and roll songs, you know that.
No Rocking around the Christmas Tree, jingle Bell Rock. They're
not real rock and roll.

Speaker 2 (13:12):
All right, well number three you like those two? Wait
till you hear number three Last Christmas by Wham in
nineteen eighty four list.

Speaker 12 (13:21):
There's no classical I knew that was.

Speaker 2 (13:24):
Hang on, we still got the top two number two,
Number two White Christmas by Bing Crosby nineteen forty two.

Speaker 8 (13:33):
Okay, they're warming up now and is definitely a top ten.

Speaker 2 (13:37):
So the number one song of all time? Right, Carrie
for Mariah carry All I Want for Christmas?

Speaker 14 (13:42):
Is You?

Speaker 2 (13:43):
Nineteen ninety four.

Speaker 7 (13:45):
No Frank Sinatra on the list.

Speaker 2 (13:47):
No Elvis Presley on the list.

Speaker 7 (13:49):
Oh Elvis lou Christmas?

Speaker 2 (13:50):
No, uh no, there's no traditional Christmas songs on her either.

Speaker 7 (13:56):
Handles Messiah, no Silent Night, no oh Holy no, yeah
holy Night.

Speaker 2 (14:02):
No Josh Grobin. Right all right, So that was just
a little bit of fun I was having with you guys.
So now let's talk a little bit more serious, shall we.
So we'll start off with eighties eighties. Is there something
that you do special with your family as far as
traditions over the Christmas holidays?

Speaker 7 (14:25):
Well, traditionally I have to work with our peak season
happens during the month of December. All I do is eat, sleep,
and go to work. So for probably the last fifteen years,
I've taken the week of Thanksgiving off, as is the
case this year, and so our big kind of tradition

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is we watch Christmas movies on the Friday after Thanksgiving
sort of to kick off the Christmas season since the
you know, it gets really busy around the holidays, and
I don't know what we've got planned this year, but
we usually go have a meal, we eat out on
that Friday, and then we come back and watch a

(15:09):
Christmas story the movie, and you know, we just hang
out your stuff.

Speaker 2 (15:15):
Do you put your Christmas tree up that day as well?

Speaker 9 (15:17):
We do?

Speaker 7 (15:18):
Yep, we put it up the Friday after Thanksgiving.

Speaker 2 (15:22):
Bond, What do you have any special traditions?

Speaker 8 (15:26):
I could really like bring this thing down and make
everyone sad to tell you about my Christmas is a
kid as a kid.

Speaker 2 (15:31):
Oh well, we're getting there. That's the next topic.

Speaker 8 (15:33):
But I'm just Christmas traditions. We were a present in
the morning. I know some people open their presence at
night like before on Christmas Eve, but we're a wake
up and open our Christmas presents. My family was big
on the Christmas stocking, so our stockings were like always

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packed jam full of like fun little things. There'd be
a couple bucks in there. I just remember like getting
some like CDs or cassettes and stuff, you know as
a kid, or you'd get candy, and maybe there's always
like one little stuffed animal in there that's like a
reindeer or a snowman.

Speaker 2 (16:10):
Whose were those were eight tracks back when they were
stuffing them. When you're stocking, when you turn to stuff
a record into the stocking.

Speaker 7 (16:19):
Walnuts.

Speaker 8 (16:20):
Yeah, yes, it was a great Christmas if I could
get an orange.

Speaker 4 (16:25):
I know.

Speaker 7 (16:25):
I think those stories, all those old times.

Speaker 2 (16:27):
It's so sad. So Eric, we'll go back to you. Eric,
is there one Christmas that is more memorable than any
other ones?

Speaker 15 (16:35):
To you?

Speaker 7 (16:36):
Yes, the Christmas I was nine years old, I believe.
I don't know what year was. Let's do some math here.
Nineteen eighty seven, I want to believe. So earlier in
the year my bike I left it on the front porch.
My bicycle got stolen. Oh no, And this was like springtime,

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early summer, and so I didn't have a bike, like
all summer, I had to walk everywhere. And so Christmas Eve,
of course, as was my tradition. I always got out
of bed and snuck around the house and snuck into
my parents' room, and I saw that they had bought
me a brand new bike, and I was so excited

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I could not go back to sleep. It was the
best Christmas ever, and I got to, you know, right
around the neighborhood again and didn't have to hoof it
and wear out my shoes. It's a lot easier to
deliver papers. As you know, I had the job delivering papers.
It's a lot easier on a bike and walking it
goes a lot faster bond.

Speaker 8 (17:40):
I'm just thinking of I'm just think of eighties delivering
papers on foot and like at the last people on
this route get their paper, like at three in the afternoon,
he just wants his two dollars. My Okay, have you
ever seen the Richard Pryor movie The Toy.

Speaker 2 (17:59):
Okay?

Speaker 8 (18:01):
One Christmas, not kidding. One Christmas, my brother and I
woke up and our big Christmas present was the go
kart from that movie The Toy. Wow, the one that
looked like a Mac truck. It was blue and had
like the little Mac truck bulldog on the front. Yeah,
that's what we got. We got the U. It was

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a it was a a go cart nice and it
looked exactly like the one from that movie The Toy Wow,
and it was. It was really amazing. But the only
thing we didn't like about it was the way you
turn it off is you have to like touch the
spark plug and there's like a little switch on the
spark plug. Itt it like kind of get shocked every
time you turn it off. But it was like the

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best toy. We were the envy of the neighborhood zipping around,
zipping around in that golf cart or.

Speaker 2 (18:49):
The eighties wishes he had that set of a bike
to do his paper.

Speaker 7 (18:54):
That makes it sound like the orange and the stocking.

Speaker 16 (18:59):
That was.

Speaker 8 (18:59):
That was the best Christmas present we probably ever got.

Speaker 7 (19:01):
Yeah, that's awesome.

Speaker 2 (19:02):
That is really cool for me. You know, I could
go back and tell you if you listen Dark Discoveries podcast,
it'll be on here later in this episode somewhere I
tell you like some of my favorite gifts I ever
opened and all that, But as far as the most
memorable Christmas eighties you'll remember this. It's probably only been
about three years ago, maybe four now. My dad had

(19:24):
a heart attack about four days before things or before Christmas,
and they didn't know if he was going to make
it or not. And we got to get together and
even you know, we went Facebook live on the podcast
page and he said hello to everybody and all that. So,
you know, that's probably my most memorable one, because you know,

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the stuff you have as you're a kid, when you
get older, it doesn't really matter that much to you.
It's the moments and you know, so I say that
to say this, don't worry about buying your kids all
the latest and greatest things. Make memories with them because
memories last a lifetime. Stuff last for a moment.

Speaker 9 (20:12):
Yes, So.

Speaker 2 (20:14):
I just thought that was something i'd like to share
there too. True.

Speaker 8 (20:18):
So that story also makes my go kart sound like
an orange.

Speaker 2 (20:24):
Sorry, guys, you really set us up there.

Speaker 7 (20:26):
So do you have one from your childhood though, like
an actual toy?

Speaker 2 (20:30):
I know I do, remember. I think you'll hear it
here again later on in this episode.

Speaker 17 (20:36):
But I have two.

Speaker 2 (20:37):
One I think was in nineteen eighty three or eighty
four when I got the Castle Gray Skull from the
Masters of the Universe, right, and then I think it
was eighty five when I got the original Nintendo Entertainment
system played Super Mario most of the day. I remember that.
So those two were Okay, did you ever snoop around

(21:01):
and look at your presents beforehand every year? Bond? Did you?

Speaker 8 (21:08):
I did a little bit, But I guess my parents.
I think my parents must have kept our presence. I
get somebody else's house.

Speaker 9 (21:15):
Bonds.

Speaker 8 (21:16):
Oh yeah, I looked, and I couldn't find anything.

Speaker 2 (21:19):
But well, well, we'll just say. My dad listens to
this podcast as sometimes co hosts, so I'm not saying anything.
I plead the fifth.

Speaker 8 (21:29):
He still hides the presence in the same place.

Speaker 2 (21:34):
Do you guys have a like favorite holiday snack you
eat either at Christmas dinner or while watching Christmas movies
or anything?

Speaker 8 (21:45):
Well, that one kind of reflects back to my worst
Christmas is ever.

Speaker 2 (21:49):
Well, Bob, mom, don't you go ahead and give us
your worst Christmases ever since you you die and tell
the world.

Speaker 8 (21:54):
Well, it all ties in. Okay, So my parents got
divorced when I was ten.

Speaker 7 (21:59):
Here we go, and please don't tell me they got
divorced on Christmas Day.

Speaker 8 (22:03):
I remember this Christmas Day, he says, surprise, No, it wasn't.

Speaker 7 (22:09):
No, it wasn't Christmas who you want to live with?

Speaker 8 (22:12):
I remember my present was I got to pick my
mom and no. So since my parents were divorced, I
lived with my mom. So it was my mom, my brother,
and I and as we got older, my mom on
Christmas Eve would go to like whatever, her neighbor's house.
She was friends with one of the neighbors, so she
would go there and visit, which would leave my brother

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and I just by ourselves on Christmas Eve, while my
brother would go over to his friend Todd's house because
Todd opened up all his presents on Christmas Eve. That
was their family tradition, so he would go over there,
watch them open their Christmas presents and then get to
play with whatever Todd got for Christmas. Dude, that means

(22:54):
I was alone on Christmas Eve for probably I don't know,
six eight in a row.

Speaker 7 (23:01):
Whoa yeah, man.

Speaker 8 (23:04):
That being said, my favorite meal Christmas sushi. I got
to uh sushi sushi on Yeah. I got to get
sushi on on Christmas Eve because it was just me
and my Mom's like, so, what do you want for dinner?
And I would say sushi.

Speaker 2 (23:19):
Did you just go to the aquarium and pick out
which one you wanted to eat.

Speaker 8 (23:24):
I would just go to the living room with a
pair of chopsticks.

Speaker 2 (23:29):
Eighties.

Speaker 7 (23:30):
Are you talking about worst Christmas?

Speaker 2 (23:32):
Well that or we're talking about the food whatever?

Speaker 7 (23:35):
Oh food, Well, I always remember my grandmother, my mom's
mom used to make a peanut butter fudge, popular snack
at the time. The worst Christmas, Well, I'm really going
to bring this down after I'm tearing up listening to
a Bond story about having to spend Christmas Eve alone

(23:57):
for like eight years in a row. So seminal moment
in my life. My grandfather, my mother's father, passed away
when I was only nine years old. So that happened
in July of nineteen eighty six, and so December of
nineteen eighty six was the first Christmas, you know, gathering
without him and the family and my grandmother. He was

(24:20):
my grandfather was very young. He was only like fifty
seven when he passed away. So she had limited resources
and there were at the time, I think there were
ten grandkids on that side of the family, and she
could only afford to get you know, the kids, like
a twenty dollars thing, and it really upset her and

(24:41):
she started crying, like in the middle of like Christmas
that she was upset because, well, there's they're all boys
also on that side, except my sister is the only
girl on that side of the family, and so she
got us all basically the same thing, and it was
like a mechanical toy car or something. And I just
remember her being really upset that she couldn't like provide

(25:03):
the Christmas that she was accustomed to giving the grandkids,
and then really upset her besides the fact that you know,
her husband had passed away, all that sort of culminated
and that was probably one of the worst Christmas.

Speaker 8 (25:16):
That's pretty bad.

Speaker 7 (25:17):
Yeah, so, jim Bo, you already talked about yours a
little bit and your father a couple of years ago.

Speaker 2 (25:25):
Oh yeah, but that's also like one of the best
ones too, though, you know what I mean, it's kind
of it's kind of the best of both the best.
It could have been way worse. So any other Christmas
memories you want to share, Bond, Did you ever decorate
a cactus out there in Texas?

Speaker 8 (25:42):
No, but it's not that uncommon, man, you see it
all the time. I got a couple of Christmas memories.
One my mom on Christmas Day would make cinnamon rolls
and bacon. Oh so we would just have homemade cinnamon
rolls and pretty much a stack of bacon, to the
point where my mom happen to come in and like
tell my okay, that's enough, you stop eating now, cut off. Yeah,

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you're cut off.

Speaker 9 (26:05):
That's it.

Speaker 8 (26:05):
Kitchen's closed.

Speaker 9 (26:06):
Go play.

Speaker 8 (26:09):
The worst. Okay, here's some of the worst gifts I've
ever gotten. Oh no, man, worst gifts.

Speaker 9 (26:15):
Okay.

Speaker 8 (26:16):
My mother in law one year gave me a sweatshirt
and it was white, a white sweatshirt, and on the
front of the sweatshirt it had three square dancing cats,
So it was literally three cats on their hind legs
holding hands full Western gear. Oh nice, full Western male

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and female right cats. Nobody gets worse because on the
back of the sweatshirt was the back of the cats.
It went all the way around, so like from behind
it had three cats square dancing.

Speaker 9 (26:56):
Do you still have this?

Speaker 8 (26:58):
No, no, it's long gone.

Speaker 2 (27:00):
We gotta find any one there.

Speaker 7 (27:01):
It was it a gag or a white elephant.

Speaker 8 (27:04):
She's serious. She gave me a it was like a
homemade clock. Maybe she had like one of those kits
where you buy like the wood and you put it
together and you paint it, and it comes with like
a little clock that you add to it. So it
was like a homemade clock. Not a cuckoo clock, man,
It was just like a homemade wooden clock that she painted.

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And it was terrible.

Speaker 7 (27:27):
You have to hold it up for the picture. Thanks,
yay at.

Speaker 8 (27:30):
This clock I got.

Speaker 6 (27:31):
Thanks.

Speaker 8 (27:33):
I've been wondering what time it was.

Speaker 9 (27:35):
Now I have her.

Speaker 8 (27:37):
So those were those were definitely some of the worst
well gifts I've ever received.

Speaker 2 (27:42):
So our next door neighbors. She was an elderly lady
grown up. So my mom always, you know, made her
candy and took her gifts and stuff. But she always
drug us with her to go right. Even when she
moved away, we always had to go see her on
Christmas and she used to take when she would open
up her Christmas present, she had these little pairs scissors
and she would cut it and she would save the

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wrapping paper, like you'd have to sit there and way
until she cut every little thing and then fold it
all back together and save it. I was like, oh,
but the same lady, when you gave me a Christmas present,
and you guys are not gonna believe what it was.
This lady I think had saved enough hamburger helper upc

(28:26):
Barcodes that I got a Hamburger helper, the hand the
glove radio. You turned his nose and it was like
a radio. Yes, Oh my god, I wish I still
had that.

Speaker 9 (28:42):
That thing was.

Speaker 2 (28:43):
It was kind of cool now that I think about it,
you know, but when you open it, you're like, uh,
And I'll tell you this real quick. It's not a
Christmas story, but for when me and my wife got married, right,
and where you know, how you open your presence here
at the church or whatever. Right, So we we opened
up a few and there was this old widow lady,

(29:04):
I mean she had to be late eighties probably early nineties.
And we opened it up and it was like used
like handkerchiefs. It was like stained and all that she
had just really I mean it was the thought they.

Speaker 9 (29:20):
Counted, right.

Speaker 2 (29:21):
It was just like, yeah, I thought that I don't know,
she probably just went around her house and said, what
can I give these guys that I don't want anymore?
Don't use and used? I thought, like not like she
didn't like blow a hockey in it. But it was
like it was stayed. I thought, is that, well they
were stained, they were still crusty looking.

Speaker 7 (29:38):
You know, so you think she just like washed them
and throw them fox them.

Speaker 15 (29:45):
Wash.

Speaker 2 (29:46):
Maybe washing was involved.

Speaker 7 (29:50):
It would use a handkerchief once.

Speaker 2 (29:52):
Well, I don't it was that. And then there was
like some doilies in there, and then there I think
some like handtals have your initials on the no, no,
like like a little like flowers and like bluebirds or something.

Speaker 17 (30:06):
I don't remember.

Speaker 8 (30:09):
Oh man, what about you eighties? What was some of
the worst Christmas gifts youes?

Speaker 18 (30:13):
Ever?

Speaker 7 (30:13):
Boy, I don't know about worst. I had a proclivity
of like everything that I would get on Christmas, Like, okay,
for example, one year I got a remote control car.
That thing was broke within like two hours. Like I
would always break everything, and it used to I think
upset my parents a little. Oh yeah, I'm trying to

(30:36):
think of the worst.

Speaker 2 (30:37):
I don't know if i've my uh my nephew got
a drone one year, right and we're over there in
Illinois and he's like him and my son go out
and they're like flying like and he comes back in. Dude,
he lost the drone. It went back in the woods. Dude,
it was like it was snowing out and everything. Dude,
it went like three fields over behind. They didn't find

(30:58):
it for like, I don't know, like a year or
something out and then or when they went to harvest
like or plant in the spring, I was like, wow,
where'd it go? I don't know. Them things weren't cheap either,
you know what I mean.

Speaker 7 (31:11):
Oh, I just remembered one year my grandfather he decided
that he was going to get me a new pocket knife,
and I might have been just a little bit too young,
and right opened everything. I opened it up and immediately
just sliced my thumb open. So no one live an infamy.

Speaker 2 (31:34):
Did you ever have uh lightsaber wars with the Christmas
wrapping paper empty tubes?

Speaker 8 (31:41):
Oh yeah, of course, man sword fights?

Speaker 2 (31:43):
Oh yeah, you know you go to sleep in It
was just half way.

Speaker 8 (31:50):
When I was really young, there was one year I
got a big wheel, those big wheels, a big yeah yeah,
and you'd crank it and you go click click click
click clicklick click click as you were running. Yeah, I
would say, after about two hours, my dad pulled his
pocket knife out and cut off the plastic part that
made the little clicking so thick. Yeah, he was like,

(32:10):
oh hey, no click, and he cut off the little
part that makes the clicking sound.

Speaker 2 (32:17):
And that's the day Bond went to go live with
his mom.

Speaker 8 (32:21):
Well, it was definitely a decision maker. I could tell
you that.

Speaker 7 (32:28):
Wheels are awesome. Man.

Speaker 2 (32:30):
Oh yeah, my.

Speaker 8 (32:31):
Mom had this. My mom had this crazy tradition where
she would open up her Christmas presents early from like front,
but from like her friends. She would open up up
early and then on Christmas Day, my brother and his
family comes over, my family come over, and we're all
there Christmas Day, opening presents, taking turns opening presents, and

(32:53):
she would she would rewrap the presence she's already opened.
She would rewrap them, and then she would open them.
It acts surprised.

Speaker 2 (33:02):
Did she say who she got him from?

Speaker 9 (33:04):
Or she was like yes.

Speaker 8 (33:05):
She would say, oh this is great, this is some
perfume from sandy, And then she would open up yay,
look at it, and I was like, well, you opened
it already a.

Speaker 2 (33:15):
Bottle SYMPTI momtice resealed it skills.

Speaker 7 (33:19):
Yeah, to look surprised.

Speaker 8 (33:20):
It's crazy. So how many times a a day on
Christmas Day do you watch a Christmas Story.

Speaker 15 (33:31):
Was that for me?

Speaker 8 (33:32):
Uh, both of you.

Speaker 7 (33:33):
Oh, you know, on Christmas, on the actual twenty four
hour marathon, I might catch like maybe twenty minutes.

Speaker 9 (33:39):
Of it, you know.

Speaker 2 (33:41):
I I usually only watch it once once a year.

Speaker 7 (33:46):
That's kind of where I'm at too, you know.

Speaker 2 (33:49):
I hate it because once you've seen movies over and
over and over, sometimes I don't like send through them
all all the time. Like I'll be okay, like Elf,
I'm not a big l fan. Number one. I don't
know if I've actually sit down and watched Elves from
A to B. I think me and Bond talked about
this the other day. I've seen clippers here, clipp it's there,
and clip it's here, and I can piece them together.

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But I don't know if I've actually sit down and
watched that thing all the way through.

Speaker 7 (34:14):
Always on your phone, that's what happens with the Christmas Story.
I get maybe ten minutes in. I'm like, let me
scroll my phone with my add I've so many times that. Yeah,
it's hard to do.

Speaker 15 (34:26):
You like Elf?

Speaker 14 (34:27):
For us?

Speaker 8 (34:27):
It's just in the background.

Speaker 2 (34:29):
Eric, do you like ELF?

Speaker 7 (34:30):
I have seen Elf all the way through?

Speaker 2 (34:32):
Yeah, Bond, Okay, you know you know, I have never
seen Elf.

Speaker 8 (34:37):
I've only seen bits and pieces of Elf.

Speaker 2 (34:39):
Really Okay, yeah, what about Polar Express?

Speaker 8 (34:43):
No way, Polar Express is one of the scariest Christmas
movies ever made. I put scariest Christmas movies Black Christmas,
Oh yeah, Crampis and Pollar Express.

Speaker 2 (34:57):
What about Christmas with the Cranks?

Speaker 8 (34:59):
You like that one, Tim Allen And Christmas with the
Cranks is one of my favorites.

Speaker 7 (35:04):
That's good.

Speaker 8 (35:05):
Frosty and uh, what is it Deck the Halls?

Speaker 2 (35:07):
Have you seen that?

Speaker 7 (35:08):
And I think let's circle back around to Polar Express.
What's scary about Polar Express That the Tom Hanks Santa
voice at the end when he meets the little boy.

Speaker 8 (35:19):
The whole thing, it's the animation's kind of creepy.

Speaker 2 (35:21):
Yeah, I'm not a big fan of it either.

Speaker 8 (35:23):
The animation is kind of weird. The whole concept of
here's this Tom Hanks's character like takes these kids to
the North Pole and I know they're excited about it,
but I'm thinking they're being kidnapped. Yeah, you just to
take it that this is child slavery. It's just the
whole idea is creepy. The way he collects the tickets

(35:46):
and he goes around to all the kids collecting the
ticket scares me. Okay, the whole thing's just weird.

Speaker 9 (35:51):
I'll tell you what.

Speaker 7 (35:52):
Hobo on top of the train.

Speaker 2 (35:54):
Yeah, He's like, oh, I'll tell you Another one that's
kind of weird like that is Jim Carrey Christmas Carol
the CG Island. It's kind of got some of the
same animation with it too.

Speaker 8 (36:06):
Animation. So that's what about? What about Hallmark Christmas movies?
Never Never, Families not in them?

Speaker 2 (36:18):
Okay, you guys on YouTube TV, do they actually have
a Hallmark Christmas channel, Dude, where they're they've been showing
My wife's been watching them since October first or.

Speaker 7 (36:27):
Something, the same plot for every movie.

Speaker 2 (36:31):
And not only that, but on YouTube TV there's another
channel called like the Great American Channel that shows even
cleaner Christmas movies. And I'm like, what we got? We
got double Dozy do now, all right? But but a
good Christmas movie that I like. It's called No Sleep

(36:52):
Till Christmas or something like that I think is the
name of it. It's pretty good. If I'll have to
find it and post it. It's on Amazon Prime, I
think is when I've seen. But it's about a guy
that they has, like can't sleep at all, and about
this lady who's getting married and she can't sleep at all. Well, anyway,
she ends up running him over in the car or something.
She's taking him to the hospital or whatever, and they're
sitting in the parking lot and they both fall asleep

(37:14):
in the car and they're both like the best sleep
they ever had. So now they've decided that they're gonna
to get rest. They sleep together like in the bed.
It's pretty good. Ends up falling in love with him
or her and it's good and she gets yeah, it's
it's pretty good.

Speaker 7 (37:30):
What about Reindeer Games? Is that Christmas move?

Speaker 6 (37:33):
Oh?

Speaker 8 (37:33):
That's got to be a Christmas mo?

Speaker 2 (37:35):
Is that that Ben Affleck? I love Gary Snee? What
about Forrest Gump? Is that a Christmas movie?

Speaker 19 (37:43):
No?

Speaker 7 (37:44):
Come on, man?

Speaker 9 (37:45):
All right?

Speaker 8 (37:45):
So what qualifies a movie to be a Christmas movie?
Does it have to take place during Christmas or does
it have to like directly relate to the holiday itself?

Speaker 2 (37:57):
Well, it's like die Hard to me, die Hard is
an action movie first and foremost, so that just takes
place at Christmas time?

Speaker 9 (38:03):
Correct? Right?

Speaker 2 (38:05):
So, so I just think that is an action movie
around the setting of Christmas. Like, it doesn't have any
direct correlation to the plot of the movie. It's about
stopping the terrorists.

Speaker 7 (38:18):
Yeah, okay, kind of like Lethal Weapon exactly same thing
Christmas theme in Lethal Weapon, but it's not part of
the actual plot.

Speaker 2 (38:27):
Of the movies, same way as Batman Returns. It's not
a Christmas movie, although a lot of people claim it is.
You know, the Grimlins, it's set at Christmas time. I
wouldn't call it a Christmas movie though.

Speaker 8 (38:42):
But Grimlins is a Christmas movie because Christmas.

Speaker 9 (38:47):
I get it. The Bond.

Speaker 2 (38:49):
You're not changing my mind. It's a horror film.

Speaker 8 (38:51):
Okay, So what you're saying is that Christmas movies can
only be feel good movies if they have action or horror.

Speaker 2 (38:57):
No, cous Crampis was a Christmas movie, right, Okay?

Speaker 8 (39:01):
Black Christmas scary, Yes, Christmas movie, yep, it's a Wonderful Life.

Speaker 2 (39:07):
No, although they showed a Christmas movie, are you kidding me?
It's not a Christmas movie.

Speaker 8 (39:12):
It has nothing to do with Christmas.

Speaker 2 (39:14):
Nothing.

Speaker 8 (39:15):
It's got to do with the guy that's just terrible
at banking.

Speaker 2 (39:18):
Yep, pay attention.

Speaker 7 (39:21):
But the end scene, they're around a Christmas truth insane
eating up to Christmas.

Speaker 2 (39:27):
Okay, so it's Diehard die Hard. They're at a Christmas party,
but it's not a Christmas movie.

Speaker 7 (39:33):
True? Yeah, Well I think someone needs to write out is.

Speaker 8 (39:37):
It that Batman movie? They're at a Christmas parade, aren't they.

Speaker 2 (39:41):
Yeah, now we've we've lost Airic, We've made him probably
half the listeners mad.

Speaker 7 (39:48):
We've devolved into the age old argument right that we.

Speaker 2 (39:52):
We always have on this podcast. You know what what
you're I'm just gonna say, Okay, if anybody wants to
be on the Christmas episode this year, we are going
to open up a zoom call with whoever wants to join,
and we are gonna take turns debating whether Diehard's a
Christmas movie or not, and we'll see.

Speaker 8 (40:09):
What about the there's a new movie on Disney Plus
that premier. I think it's like The Jonas Brothers Christmas.
Are you gonna check that one out?

Speaker 19 (40:17):
No?

Speaker 2 (40:18):
Absolutely not?

Speaker 8 (40:20):
What it's a brand new Well, there's a.

Speaker 2 (40:21):
New Paul Patrol movie coming out too, but I'm not
gonna watch it either. Oh I know, I know another
I know another great movie I didn't even mention, how
about Mickey's Christmas Carol? You guys are thanks.

Speaker 8 (40:34):
Christmas Carol, the Buppets Christmas Carol, Scrooge, the original Christmas
Carol from like the nineteen thirties.

Speaker 7 (40:42):
How many times do you guys think, I'll ask chat
cheepyt that, like, how many times has the Christmas Carol
been done?

Speaker 2 (40:50):
I know George was a George C. Scott.

Speaker 9 (40:52):
Scott was the one.

Speaker 2 (40:53):
I'm thinking that was a really good one.

Speaker 8 (40:56):
There was one made like in the seventies that was
pretty good.

Speaker 2 (40:59):
I'm gonna want to say, I'm gonna say six, I'm
gonna say thirteen. We'll see who's closest.

Speaker 8 (41:11):
Yeah, I'm standing totally under I think I totally under guest.
But I I'm want to say.

Speaker 2 (41:15):
It's probably like one hundred and twelve or something crazy.

Speaker 8 (41:18):
Right, it's like Christmas movie, right, it's like as a
Christmas right, Mickey's.

Speaker 7 (41:25):
Categories, Jimbo any other Okay, so recording, Sorry, it just
came up. According to chat Gibt, there are twenty three
live action films.

Speaker 2 (41:35):
Live action, well, what about cartoons too?

Speaker 7 (41:38):
Eleven I'm getting to that animated films.

Speaker 2 (41:41):
So that's thirty four and thirty two.

Speaker 7 (41:44):
TV productions, with twenty four live action and eight animated.

Speaker 2 (41:49):
So sixty six total.

Speaker 8 (41:52):
But some of those might just be a very special
episode of Different Strokes or something.

Speaker 2 (41:57):
Say Seinfeld, all right, let me ask you this, who
do you think if you could give one award to
an actor and an actress as mister and Missus Christmas.
Who are you giving it to? Mister and miss as
far as their movie portrayals? They're acting in a movie
at Christmas time? Who would you say if you're like, hey,

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this guy is mister Christmas. Who are you saying it is?
Or who's missus Christmas or miss Christmas?

Speaker 8 (42:24):
All right, I got mine? You're ready?

Speaker 17 (42:25):
Oh no, what do you mean?

Speaker 12 (42:27):
Oh?

Speaker 8 (42:28):
Oh, Tim Allen is mister Christmas because he's Santa Claus
in so many movies.

Speaker 7 (42:37):
Yeah, this is Christmas.

Speaker 18 (42:41):
Hm hmm.

Speaker 8 (42:42):
Come back to me for Missus Christmas. What do you
guys got?

Speaker 9 (42:44):
Eighties?

Speaker 7 (42:47):
M boy, I don't know that's really mister and Missus Christmas.
I mean obviously you go to your mind goes to
portrayals of Santa Claus.

Speaker 2 (43:00):
Like Kurt Russell and who was it Kurt Russell and whoever?
And that New Christmas thing on Netflix.

Speaker 9 (43:04):
What was it? Oh, Red One?

Speaker 2 (43:08):
It's not Red One, but what was the one where
Kurt Russell plays man? I can't remember the name of it.

Speaker 7 (43:15):
I'm gonna say Being Crosby is Mister Christmas. That's with
him with the little the bow tie on the album
cover and you know, white Christmas and all that. That's
probably my Mister Christmas. The smooth baritone voice of Being Crosby.

Speaker 12 (43:32):
I like it.

Speaker 2 (43:35):
The females where it's getting harder.

Speaker 7 (43:38):
Yeah, it's kind of hard to kneel that I.

Speaker 8 (43:40):
Don't Okay, So I don't know her name, but Missus
Christmas is the animated Santa Claus Is coming to Town.

Speaker 9 (43:52):
You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 8 (43:53):
It's like she's a young woman, she's in love with
Chris Kringle, and then later they show her and she's
Missus Claws.

Speaker 2 (44:00):
Yeah.

Speaker 8 (44:00):
I don't know the actress who does the voice for that,
for that character, but that's Missus Christmas.

Speaker 2 (44:05):
Okay, So my Missus Christmas. I'm going with Kansas Cameron
Blue or whatever her name is, because I think she's
been in a lot of Hallmark Christmas movies. Correct.

Speaker 7 (44:16):
Oh, the guy from Saturday Night Live, La Size it's
got dan Ackroyd, dan Aykroyd, Thank you, Bonon, that was
the name I was what about? Uh, this just came
to my mind. Jingle all the way with Arnold Schwartzenegger.

Speaker 2 (44:32):
Mister Christmas, it would be back underrated. It's a funny
one man sindbad and that is funny.

Speaker 9 (44:41):
Dude.

Speaker 2 (44:42):
It's always Phil Hartman in that.

Speaker 7 (44:44):
Phil Hartman was hilarious.

Speaker 8 (44:45):
What was the name of that action figure that they
were trying to all get for Christmas? Turboan Turboman?

Speaker 4 (44:51):
Nice?

Speaker 8 (44:52):
Yeah, see the snow Man. I used to love all
those animated all right. It sticks out to me is
remember that one stop motion that had like heat miser
and it was like he had like a flame hair. Yeah,
mister Frost or mister Freeze I think it was. And
they were like rival brothers that hated each other.

Speaker 2 (45:15):
That was so weird. So my Missus Christmas, I think
it's gonna be Canvas Cameron Blue Oh yeah you said that,
or Dolly Parton.

Speaker 7 (45:25):
Okay, Christmas movie is she in?

Speaker 9 (45:29):
Well?

Speaker 2 (45:29):
I was gonna say Marilyn Monroe because she can always
be my present.

Speaker 8 (45:35):
Missus Christmas is Mariah Carey.

Speaker 2 (45:38):
Hey, that's probably true. Let's think about it. Yeah, I
hate to say it, it might be.

Speaker 8 (45:45):
Well, so there you go, solve that one.

Speaker 2 (45:48):
It's gonna take me a second to edit.

Speaker 7 (45:50):
All this out, so I think just several times there.

Speaker 9 (45:54):
Yeah, So.

Speaker 2 (45:57):
We thank you guys for joining us once again. We
hope you brought a little bit of happiness to you,
maybe a little bit of sadness with Bond's childhood memories.
But stay tuned, you're gonna hear some other podcasts, some
of my new friends, some of old friends. And we
here at the Tragedy Cinema. I hope you have a
blessed of merry Christmas and happy New Year. And I

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think this episode's coming to close, and that's wrap and cut.

Speaker 5 (46:29):
The Tragedy Cinema will then Marie Shimma join us.

Speaker 6 (46:34):
Since we toast to the tales we love the.

Speaker 20 (46:37):
Most, tragedy upset them. Then Ri Shima join us. Toast
to the tales we love the most, we love the.

Speaker 21 (46:57):
Most, the tragedy of Sinama, Mary Shimmer, So as if

(47:29):
we tost to the tails we love the most, to
the tails we love the most, the tragedy of Sam.

Speaker 22 (47:41):
Then Marie Schiller join a set we toast to the
tells we love the most, to the.

Speaker 6 (47:52):
Tells we love the most. So that tells me love
them red you say, the.

Speaker 23 (48:27):
Christmas used to be my favorite. The lights, the songs,
the smell of pine. It was magic. Then Mom and
Dad and little Timmy they were gone one icy road
one terrible night just before Christmas, and the Christmas magic

(48:50):
it went with them, well until something happened that I
still can't explain. So go grab yourself a cup of
hot chocolate, lay back in your favorite chair, and let
me tell you my story.

Speaker 24 (49:28):
Wish I had a family.

Speaker 25 (49:35):
Excuse me, young lady, did you drop this middle? I
found it laying just over there in the snow?

Speaker 24 (49:43):
Um no, sorry, Ah.

Speaker 25 (49:47):
I see such a bright, cheerful little thing. Isn't it
ashamed to leave it alone in the cold? Or perhaps
it's waiting for its owner to come back? Or perhaps
it's waiting for someone to give it a new purpose. Oh,

(50:09):
excuse me, young lady, stranger danger, I get it. I apologize.
My name's Arthur and you are Lily, Lily, a beautiful
name like the flower. Are you enjoying the festivities? Lily?

Speaker 23 (50:32):
I don't know.

Speaker 24 (50:34):
There's nothing to enjoy, ah.

Speaker 9 (50:37):
I see.

Speaker 25 (50:39):
Some years the lights don't shine quite as brightly, do they?
Or perhaps we just forget where to look for them.

Speaker 24 (50:48):
No, Christmas is just stories in presents you don't really want,
and people pretending to be happy.

Speaker 25 (51:01):
It can feel that way when the world feels particularly cold.
Tell me, Lily, what do you think Christmas is really about?
Beyond all the glitter?

Speaker 23 (51:12):
I don't know.

Speaker 24 (51:14):
Families, families being together. I suppose.

Speaker 25 (51:22):
You're not wrong, dear Lily. It is about families and
about remembering those we cherish. But it's also about something more,
something older and stronger than any storm. It's about hope
and kindness and the simple act of believing. Like this

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lost mitten, would you believe this mitten could bring joy
to someone? It's just a mitten, h perhaps, But it's
warm and someone somewhere could use a little warmth, and
perhaps the act of giving that warmth could warm you too.

Speaker 9 (52:06):
Here take it.

Speaker 25 (52:09):
Keep an eye out. If you see someone who looks
like they could use it, even if it doesn't fit perfectly,
give it to them. See what happens.

Speaker 23 (52:20):
Okay?

Speaker 26 (52:22):
But why?

Speaker 25 (52:25):
Because Christmas, Lily, isn't just about what you get. It's
about what you give and sometimes the smallest spark of
kindness can light the biggest fire of belief. Merry Christmas, Lily,
may you find your spark.

Speaker 23 (52:46):
And just like that, he turns and walks away, disappearing
into the crowd, as if he were never truly there.
But that one moment left a stir deep inside me.

Speaker 1 (53:06):
Jackie Johnson presents to you the last broadcast.

Speaker 19 (53:16):
The Good Evening mccortsville and Merry Christmas Eve. You're listening

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to one oh three nine the music Mccurtzville coming to
you live from our little booths on Elm Creek Road.
I'm your host ed mercer, keeping the lights on the
cocoa and the Carrol's coming Cotanta in cell pats on
the tower. Here is one to keep your rocking around
the tree tonight.

Speaker 6 (54:00):
Get a round Christmas tree at Christmas body, you.

Speaker 27 (54:08):
Can't see, Let's to stop.

Speaker 9 (54:15):
Christmas tree.

Speaker 27 (54:16):
Let the Christmas.

Speaker 11 (54:24):
Seeing the Margie, Well, you got lost in the snow
drift on me.

Speaker 28 (54:28):
You wish I'm home with my cocoa and my radio.
How's it looking up there?

Speaker 14 (54:34):
Like Sanna's getting frostbite? Can't see ten feet past the
power light, but we're still on the air.

Speaker 28 (54:40):
You'd keep talking if the world would freeze over.

Speaker 9 (54:43):
You keep listening.

Speaker 11 (54:44):
You're my only proof there's life out there, MARGIEA. You
just stay home. You can call it on the station's line.
No sense in both of us. Stanning got out in
this store.

Speaker 29 (54:53):
Well that's a relief. I was calling to tell you
my danged car battery is dead from this cold. You
just stay warm and those jingles coming.

Speaker 11 (55:01):
You'll do okay, gotta run. Mergy sungs on us over.
Let's keep the Spira glowing while the snow keeps selling.
Phone lines are open, So give me a call at
from Accordsville one O three nine and tell me what
Christmas looks like where you are.

Speaker 19 (55:22):
Uh?

Speaker 11 (55:25):
You ru in the here with Ed Mercer? Who's going
tonight evening?

Speaker 8 (55:29):
Ed?

Speaker 2 (55:30):
This is Ron over at the Mccordsville Fire Department, figured
out give you the latest on the roads.

Speaker 11 (55:37):
Hey, run, how's a look out there?

Speaker 2 (55:39):
Rough visibilities near zero past the ridge, and powers flickering
east of Maine. We've got half the town running on
generators already.

Speaker 11 (55:49):
Yes, the stationings isn't far behind.

Speaker 2 (55:51):
Huh, wouldn't surprise me. Win's knocking down the feeder lines
one after another. Just keep a flashlight, handy and maybe
a thermos.

Speaker 11 (56:01):
Already got both you boys holding up? Okay, we're good.

Speaker 2 (56:06):
A couple stranded cars by the bridge. Nothing serious yet.
If anybody's listening near miller Ridge Road, stay put. No
sense trying to drive through this mess.

Speaker 11 (56:19):
You heard the man m Gorgeviillet the nights and night
for Coco in not car trouble.

Speaker 2 (56:23):
That's right, Stay warm, stay safe, and we will update
everyone on any changes as the storm moves through.

Speaker 11 (56:32):
Thank you, we appreciate the update.

Speaker 2 (56:34):
Ron anytime. Keep that tower light on. It's about the
only thing we can see from down here.

Speaker 14 (56:41):
We'll do our beacon guiding scene at the town we
have dying for another caller. Let's go to the line.

Speaker 11 (56:48):
You're on the here with Ed Mercer. Marry Christmas.

Speaker 27 (56:52):
I'm mister Mason.

Speaker 28 (56:53):
My names have you?

Speaker 27 (56:54):
Mom said? I get stay up for a sentence? Sleigh bells?

Speaker 14 (57:00):
Hello, dear miss Abigail. That's a fine reason to be
up late. You think you might hear jingle bells soon.

Speaker 27 (57:06):
I've been listening real close. Sit, I can't make it.

Speaker 11 (57:10):
Friend.

Speaker 14 (57:11):
The snow, well, don't you worry about that. Standa's from
the north pole. This weather's nothing to him. You'll find
you just fine.

Speaker 27 (57:20):
I can see the red life friend the now. It
looks like a Rudolph snows. O't Santa find their house?

Speaker 11 (57:31):
Well, I'll be maybe it is. I'll tell the big
guy to follow that light straight to your street, you know, Sannah?
Oh sure, we go way back. Every Christmas Eve. He
tunes in right here for the weather report. Did a
song or two?

Speaker 27 (57:46):
Can you tell him? I say, hi?

Speaker 11 (57:48):
Why don't you tell him yourself? He's probably listening right now.

Speaker 27 (57:51):
Go on, say hi, I Santa, it's Abigail, thank you
for it's cold.

Speaker 11 (58:02):
You hear that at Santa, one of your biggest fans
right here in the Courtsville You made her knight, mister Mercy. Yes, ma'am.

Speaker 27 (58:11):
Mom said you sound like Christmas.

Speaker 11 (58:15):
Well that's about the nicest thing anyone said to me
all year. Merry Christmas, Abigail. You know what I think
I just heard something. It sounded like, ha okay, you
get some sleep before Sanna eats all your cookies, mister Mercy.
And there's the spirit of the season right there. Sometimes

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it takes just one voice to remind you all what
this is all for. This song is for you. Abigail.

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If this is Shannah calling to thank me, I like
chocolate chip cookies.

Speaker 29 (59:03):
Sorry, not the big guy, just your snowed in co host.
That little girl was precious.

Speaker 11 (59:10):
She was, wasn't She reminded me of why I love
nights like this.

Speaker 29 (59:14):
Oh that's your magic. You make people feel like you're
right there beside them.

Speaker 11 (59:20):
Hi, Ray both the nice it's mostly me the static
in the snow.

Speaker 28 (59:25):
You sound a little lonely, honey? Are you all right
up there?

Speaker 11 (59:30):
Maybe a little comes with the territory. But youring boys
like cars.

Speaker 28 (59:35):
Helps Promise me you'll head home soon, all right?

Speaker 11 (59:38):
As soon as the clock hits midnight across my heart. Well,
I gotta call it, Margie. I'll bring you back evening.
You're live on the Music of My Courts Bill.

Speaker 17 (59:54):
Hello, mister Mercer. My wife used to love your show. Listen,
this is my first Christmas without her, thirty seven years together.
Sitting here watching the storm, listening to you. It's almost
like she's heared with me.

Speaker 11 (01:00:11):
Now. Well that's a lovely picture, sir. Is your a treat?
Live up now?

Speaker 17 (01:00:19):
Every ball but one that one keeps going black.

Speaker 11 (01:00:24):
Maybe she's saving electricity from the great bead.

Speaker 9 (01:00:28):
Maybe so.

Speaker 17 (01:00:29):
My Victoria always hated wasting electricity. She would have a
sitting in the dark and join the storm by the
fireplace if she we're here now.

Speaker 30 (01:00:41):
That is beautiful.

Speaker 11 (01:00:42):
What was your favorite Christmas Carol?

Speaker 9 (01:00:45):
I'll be home for Christmas?

Speaker 31 (01:00:48):
It only in my dreams I could think of a
more beautiful or fitting song to play next.

Speaker 17 (01:00:54):
Merry Christmas and thank you you made my night a
little bit easier.

Speaker 11 (01:01:00):
Well, Merry Christmas. To you keep warm tonight and do
the top blow.

Speaker 14 (01:01:07):
Must be ghosts in the wiring tonight, folks, we're too
much tensil near the tubes.

Speaker 11 (01:01:12):
Please enjoy this class.

Speaker 19 (01:01:13):
I can't well, I locate the ghost.

Speaker 11 (01:01:14):
Of Christmas pain in my ass causing this awful racket. Ah,
where is that coming from? Good primity?

Speaker 9 (01:01:33):
Son of a.

Speaker 28 (01:01:43):
Damn it ed? You can't be swearing on air? What
happened with the last collar? It's sounded creepy.

Speaker 11 (01:01:50):
It's just static. It's atmosphere.

Speaker 28 (01:01:53):
Are you sure that's all the hum behind you? Sounds
like there's somebody breathing heavy in your mind.

Speaker 11 (01:02:00):
Maybe Old Saint Nick stopped by early. He's breathing art.
The diet of milk and cookies is catching up to him.
Oh cheez, now go enjoy your go go and let
me figure out what's causing his awful feedback.

Speaker 29 (01:02:14):
Well, the wind's picking up, that's probably what's doing in.
Sounds like it's a whipping all around the town.

Speaker 11 (01:02:22):
Yeah, that's just mccordsville singing back up. Oh my, hold on, Margie,
the boards acting.

Speaker 28 (01:02:34):
Uh yeah, and and you're you're you're cutting out.

Speaker 11 (01:02:38):
Ship, Margie, Margie, there there no receptions. Great, all right,
that easy. Now just the breaker. We've done this before.
She gotta find my flashlight.

Speaker 13 (01:02:59):
He's goop take the freaking darkning dead batteries. Oh geez,
perfect timing, sy take and the freaking dark thing.

Speaker 16 (01:03:19):
Mh.

Speaker 11 (01:03:30):
If that's you, Sanna tak it easy on the shingles.
I just gotta find my way to the breaker. Freaking crash. Well,
now that's new. Would be the winds who have tower

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cables or boy uh oh okay, maybe not the caps.

Speaker 32 (01:04:05):
Hello, well i'll be If that's you, big man, I
appreciate you parking out back.

Speaker 11 (01:04:14):
The roof's not a zone for reindeer. You're a growing
ass man freaking yourself out over a clostorm. No footsteps,
no voices, just the wind, just the wind, just.

Speaker 31 (01:04:28):
The wind dead and that damn piece of shit generator.
If anyone can still hear me, some strange events are
unfolding here at the station.

Speaker 11 (01:04:50):
Read that, folks. Might be the tower lines or something
else in the wind. Either way, it sounds like Christmas
to me.

Speaker 15 (01:05:11):
No, couldn't be.

Speaker 11 (01:05:14):
If anyone out there can still hear this broadcast, there's
definitely someone or something on the roof above me.

Speaker 32 (01:05:22):
We're still live, I think, hello, and there's the miracle.
Thank you Santa or whoever's listening. Sorry about that, folks.

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We lost power for a couple of minutes inside the studio, but.

Speaker 15 (01:05:46):
We're back on the air now. Who what look you
so long? Margie?

Speaker 28 (01:06:00):
Happened? The call dropped, but I heard everything on the radio.
Are you okay? What's going on up there?

Speaker 11 (01:06:06):
Well?

Speaker 15 (01:06:07):
I'm here.

Speaker 11 (01:06:07):
The power went out and then things got kind of
weird there.

Speaker 28 (01:06:11):
You dropped off completely.

Speaker 29 (01:06:14):
I heard bills, I swear I hurt sleep bills and
maybe footsteps.

Speaker 11 (01:06:20):
You and me both. I thought I was losing my
mic there for a second.

Speaker 28 (01:06:24):
How'd you even do that? Your soundboard was dead?

Speaker 29 (01:06:27):
I could tell it wasn't even our pre recorded sounds
and it sounded real good.

Speaker 11 (01:06:34):
It's the thing, Margie, I didn't do that.

Speaker 15 (01:06:37):
Everything was off the soundboard, the power of the lights.

Speaker 11 (01:06:40):
It was just sounds coming from outside.

Speaker 28 (01:06:43):
You were serious.

Speaker 11 (01:06:44):
Yeah, it was faint and afar off. At first. It
sounded like we was right on the roof there.

Speaker 28 (01:06:53):
Maybe the wind caught the guy wires made a ring
just right.

Speaker 14 (01:06:59):
That's the real music.

Speaker 11 (01:07:00):
Gus then had a rhythm and everything you.

Speaker 28 (01:07:04):
Always do attract to strange signals.

Speaker 13 (01:07:08):
Yes, so it feels different tonight, though, can't tell it
from gold or just spooked both.

Speaker 28 (01:07:13):
Probably I heard it though it it was. It was eerie,
but it was beautiful.

Speaker 9 (01:07:22):
Yeah, it was.

Speaker 11 (01:07:25):
For a second, it felt like something was out there
and listening back.

Speaker 28 (01:07:28):
Well, if it was, I hope it heard you curse
at the generator.

Speaker 11 (01:07:34):
You gotta replace that piece of shit.

Speaker 29 (01:07:37):
Oh, Ed, play one more song, sign off and get
yourself home. You've done enough talking to ghosts for one evening.

Speaker 11 (01:07:46):
Copy Dad, thanks for staying on the line, Margie.

Speaker 28 (01:07:50):
Oh always, I'm just sorry that wasn't there with you tonight.

Speaker 11 (01:07:54):
I'm Merry Christmas, Ed, Merry Christmas, Margie. All right, mercer Manians,
the lights are back.

Speaker 5 (01:08:02):
On.

Speaker 32 (01:08:02):
The storm is flowing down, and somewhere out there the
bells are still slightly ringing.

Speaker 11 (01:08:08):
If you heard them tonight, Well maybe that's a good thing.

Speaker 8 (01:08:11):
You know.

Speaker 11 (01:08:13):
Radio is a funny thing.

Speaker 33 (01:08:15):
Our voices are carried to the dark, the wind, the rain,
the storm, reaching people we will never truly meet. Maybe
that's what Christmas is, folks, a signal beacon in the storm,
letting us all know we're really never alone. Merry Christmas
becarts built d mercer standing out into all a good night.

Speaker 9 (01:08:37):
Sidewalks, busy sidewalks, dressed in the hall. They start in
the air. There's a feelings.

Speaker 18 (01:08:53):
In the laughing people passing, meeting, smile after.

Speaker 15 (01:09:00):
Can't silver.

Speaker 18 (01:09:12):
Silver bar.

Speaker 23 (01:09:15):
It's later that day. I was walking through an alleyway
away from the festive lights. I was still clutching that mitten.

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Then I see her, an older, homeless woman huddled in
a doorway, shivering, wrapped in a thin blanket. The woman
looks tired, sad. Then I remembered what the old man
told me.

Speaker 25 (01:09:57):
Perhaps but it's warm and someone somewhere could use a
little warmth.

Speaker 24 (01:10:10):
Excuse me, ma'am, yes.

Speaker 34 (01:10:15):
Here this is for you, Oh thank you, dear.

Speaker 6 (01:10:22):
It's so cold tonight.

Speaker 24 (01:10:25):
It is, isn't it.

Speaker 18 (01:10:29):
It's a perfect fit how.

Speaker 4 (01:10:32):
It is.

Speaker 6 (01:10:34):
God bless you little one.

Speaker 34 (01:10:36):
Merry Christmas.

Speaker 23 (01:10:38):
I felt a strange warmth spread through my chest. It
wasn't the cold, it was something else. I actually smiled back.
It was a small, tentative smile, but a smile.

Speaker 24 (01:10:58):
Merry Christmas.

Speaker 34 (01:11:08):
Hey everyone, I'm Andy and I'm Felice, and we are
the You Two Scarey Podcast coming to you from Key West, Florida.

Speaker 35 (01:11:15):
We are honored to join the Tragedy of Cinema for
this special Christmas collection.

Speaker 34 (01:11:21):
In this episode, we are bringing you a special holiday
treat stories from both of us. We both will be
sharing chilling Christmas tales from Nordic lands. Dive into the
shadows with us as we bring you haunted holiday lore.
In this episode of the You Two Scare Me Podcast.

Speaker 35 (01:11:37):
Tonight, we are diving into one of the most enduring
and terrifying figures in Icelandic culture, Griila, the Icelandic Christmas witchoo.
She's older than Santa, older than Christianity in Iceland, older
than the country itself. She is a winter ogress, a
child snatcher, a mother of monsters, and according to many Icelanders,

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she is still out there roaming the mountains when the
snow is deepest.

Speaker 34 (01:12:07):
Oh my goodness.

Speaker 35 (01:12:08):
So wrap up in a blanket, turned down the lights,
and let's step into an Icelandic blizzard. So I note,
I've been in an Icelandic blizzard and it is no joke.
Oh terrifying. Oh wow, Like you can't even see like
a foot in front of you.

Speaker 34 (01:12:24):
Oh my gosh, it's so scary. Coming from someone from
the Pittsburgh area, that's kind of crazy.

Speaker 35 (01:12:29):
It's insane. We were we were driving through Iceland and
we stopped at a gas station to get an Icelandic
hot dog, which is a whole thing. Okay, don't even
worry about it, okay. And these guys are like, which
way are you going, we said, and they're like, yeah,
you need to keep going that way because all the
roads back to Raykeovic are closed.

Speaker 12 (01:12:47):
Ooh.

Speaker 35 (01:12:48):
And so we're like okay, and we're driving okay, okay,
and then literally cannot see and the wind is blowing
so hard that to go straight, Ryan has to have
the wheel like turned this way.

Speaker 34 (01:13:00):
Oh gosh, it was insane. Wow. Anyway, that was Thank
you for that.

Speaker 35 (01:13:03):
That was in your death experience in Icelandic blizzard.

Speaker 36 (01:13:07):
So back to Grila.

Speaker 35 (01:13:08):
Griyla's earliest appearance is found in thirteenth century texts, specifically,
Oh and just so you know, there are a lot
of Icelandic words in this and Icelandic language is extremely difficult,
so I will not even pretend to say that I
can pronounce these correctly. Okay, just apologies in advance, do
your best. Grila's earliest appearance is found in thirteenth century texts,

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specifically the Icelandic Ga Saga and the Storlinga Saga. In
these early mentions, she isn't tied to Christmas yet, She's
simply described as a trollcona, a troll woman living in
the mountains. So in medieval Iceland, the word troll didn't
necessarily mean creature. It meant something supernatural beyond human norms,

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like giants, spirits, or monstrous humanso. Grila is generally described
as being a giant or an ogress, but some say
she is a witch or wilderness spirit who lives in
the Dumaberger lava fields or in the mountains of Iceland.
Descriptions of Grala vary. Some legends describe Grayla as a large,

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hideous creature with a grotesque face like withered stone, hooves
as large as shields for feet, a voice that echoes
across valleys, a horned tail, and a huge bag slung
over her shoulder to carry naughty children. Others describe her
as having fifteen or even forty tails, a beard, horns,

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and multiple heads. In a book of Icelandic legends collected
by Jan Arnisson, which was published in English in eighteen
sixty four, the description of Gralla gets even more specific.
It's said that Grala had three hundred heads, six eyes
in each head, and two ghostly blue eyes at the
back of each neck. She's not when in any of us.

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She had goats, horns, long ears that hung down to
her shoulders, and three hundred noses. On each forehead was
a tuft of hair, and on each chin a tangled
and filthy beard with teeth like birnt lava. Whoa, this
is really something. She also had hooves like a horse.
Besides all this, she had fifteen tails, and on each

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tail one hundred bags of skin, each bag capable of
holding twenty naughty children.

Speaker 34 (01:15:30):
Oh wow, Yeah, she's a real beauty.

Speaker 26 (01:15:34):
Yeah.

Speaker 35 (01:15:35):
One thing that is consistent amongst all the descriptions is
that Grada likes to hunt and eat naughty children. Uh uh,
it said she collects the children in her sack and
cooks them into a stew in a big cauldron to
help her survive the winter. Some stories say she'll also
eat adults, but prefers children.

Speaker 34 (01:15:55):
Oh, I think they're more tender where juice.

Speaker 35 (01:15:59):
And to the story is, there's never a shortage of
not ey children for Greyla to eat. In the seventeenth century,
Greyla began to be associated with Christmas, So this is
from the thirteenth century. Like, that's a long time ago.

Speaker 34 (01:16:14):
That's a lot, that's a long lure.

Speaker 36 (01:16:16):
Yeah, and guess what.

Speaker 35 (01:16:17):
Despite Greila's hideous appearance, she.

Speaker 36 (01:16:21):
Has a husband.

Speaker 34 (01:16:21):
Oh there's someone for everyone that's they say true.

Speaker 35 (01:16:25):
Yes, And actually she's on her third husband.

Speaker 34 (01:16:29):
Did she eat the first two?

Speaker 9 (01:16:30):
Oh?

Speaker 34 (01:16:31):
My gosh. Well, I had a feeling she seems hungry.

Speaker 35 (01:16:35):
She is a hungry lady. Gustour was Greyla's first husband,
but when she got bored of him, she ate him.
And then there was her second husband, Bully. Bully is
the father of her many children who will discuss in
a minute. Some stories say that he died of old age,
while others say Grila ate him too. That brings us
on and I don't really know how to say this

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name LEPOLOI oh wow, her third and current husband. He
is described as being lazy and an ineffectual troll who
just lies around their cave trolls.

Speaker 34 (01:17:08):
Am I right, troll husband.

Speaker 35 (01:17:12):
It's said that the Polly has survived by being too
lazy for Gretla to even bother with. She's like, ugh,
this guy again. Yeah, She's like, come on, let's go eat,
and he's like, no, I'm gonna stay here.

Speaker 34 (01:17:25):
I'm watching the game.

Speaker 35 (01:17:28):
So back to Bully Grela's second husband. He is the
father of her thirteen children, called the Yule Lads. The
Yule Lads are thirteen grotesque troll spirits who are described
as pranksters that each have a special obsession and a
way of harassing children. They're often described as emaciated, misshapen, dangerous,

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and very very hungry. They arrive one each night turn
the thirteen nights leading up to Christmas.

Speaker 34 (01:18:00):
Oh what a countdown?

Speaker 15 (01:18:01):
Yeah.

Speaker 35 (01:18:03):
They each have super cool Icelandic names which I'm completely
unable to pronounce, so I'll read their translated names and
their mischievous acts. Okay, there's sheep coat clad all right,
who harasses sheep but is impaired by stiff peg legs.
There's Golliguck, who hides in gullies waiting for a chance

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to sneak into cow sheds and steal milk. Oh there's Stubby,
who is unusually short and steals pans to eat whatever
crust is left on them.

Speaker 34 (01:18:39):
Oh there's stubby. He does not have a very exciting job.

Speaker 35 (01:18:45):
Well, some of these are really because. Then there's spoon liquor,
and he likes to steal. They have a special type
of wooden spoon apparently that he likes to steal and lick.
Then there's bull liquor, Oh, bull liquor. And apparently there's
they have like almost like a bowl or pod that
has a lid on it, probably to keep things warm.

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And so he likes to hide under people's beds waiting
for someone to put down there a score, which is
the bowl that he steals. Oh, okay, there's a door
slammer who likes to slam doors, especially at night, to
wake people up.

Speaker 34 (01:19:19):
Oh that's nice.

Speaker 35 (01:19:20):
He's probably my least favorite. Yeah, I mean, who wants
to be woken up from their long winter snap.

Speaker 34 (01:19:25):
Yeah, that's like having kids home from college. They have
one or two door slammers.

Speaker 35 (01:19:32):
Christmas early. Then there's the skier gobbler who loves skier.
Have you ever had scar No? Oh, it's like this,
It's delicious. It's kind of like a thick yogurt almost.

Speaker 34 (01:19:44):
Oh okay.

Speaker 35 (01:19:45):
Then there's a sausage swiper. This guy hides in the
rafters and he snatches sausages that are being smoked.

Speaker 34 (01:19:54):
Okay.

Speaker 35 (01:19:54):
Then there's the window peeper, not the kind of peeper
you're thinking. He likes to peek into windows and search
for things to steal.

Speaker 34 (01:20:05):
Oh okay.

Speaker 35 (01:20:06):
Then there's doorway sniffer. He has an abnormally large nose
and a great sense of smell that he uses to
locate a special traditional Icelandic Christmas bread. There's meat hook
who uses a hook to steal meat. Okay, And last,
but not least, candle stealer who steals candles from children.

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So at first I thought he stole the candles to
kind of scare them put.

Speaker 34 (01:20:31):
Them in the dark.

Speaker 35 (01:20:32):
But then I found out that candles were once made
from tallow and they were edible.

Speaker 34 (01:20:36):
Oh, he's hungry. They're all pretty hungry.

Speaker 35 (01:20:39):
Right, so almost all of them are well, they're all mischievous,
but almost all of them are on the hunt for food.

Speaker 34 (01:20:44):
Okay.

Speaker 35 (01:20:45):
Earlier stories of the Mulads say they were looking for
children to bring back for their sweet Mammagrila to eat,
but later descriptions of the Mulads say that they leave
gifts or rotten potatoes and children's shoes depending on their behavior.
Oh what would your mule lad name be?

Speaker 34 (01:21:02):
Oh man, Oh my gosh, I don't know you coming
on the spot.

Speaker 35 (01:21:07):
I'm sorry, I have no idea or coffee gulper.

Speaker 34 (01:21:14):
That movie TikTok Scroller.

Speaker 35 (01:21:25):
Over time, especially in the nineteenth and twentieth centuries, the
yule Lads softened into mischievous holiday helpers. But Grila's lazy
husband and the Yulads aren't the only members of Grila's family.
There's also the mule Cat. Oh okay, So Felice had
just seen like a little thing popped up about the

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mule cat. She's like, do you know about business? Oh yeah,
she's part of the family.

Speaker 36 (01:21:50):
The family.

Speaker 35 (01:21:51):
The mule cat is a massive black feline that prowls
the countryside during Christmas and eats anyone who didn't receive
new clothes.

Speaker 7 (01:22:00):
Oh.

Speaker 35 (01:22:00):
It's described as having eyes like full moons, fur that
stands on end like they're charged with electricity, and a
roar that sounds like breaking ice. It's said that the
story of the Yulecat was used to encourage children to
work hard to earn new clothing and to encourage laborers
to work hard to finish wool production before winter.

Speaker 34 (01:22:19):
Oh that's interesting, so fun.

Speaker 35 (01:22:21):
Fact, Icelandic wool is actually a really special type of
wool okay. And they have sheep that are only in Iceland.
So the wool from them is double layered. The outer
layer is water repellent and the inner layers insulating. It's
also resistant to BACKTERI and it's super warm. I try
to find my Icelandic sweater to wear for the episode,
but I think it's in Pennsylvania, our parents house. I

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don't need it too much here.

Speaker 15 (01:22:43):
No, So back to.

Speaker 34 (01:22:47):
Grada, okay.

Speaker 35 (01:22:48):
Grada became a tool for parents, especially during harsh winters
when saying be good wasn't enough. You have to be
good or Grada would come down from the mountains with
her giant sack. But there's a darker under, aren't here.
Iceland's winters are brutal and harsh. Children disappearing wasn't just
a myth, it was a reality. Some scholars argue Griila

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was originally a metaphor for famine, harsh winter, snow, blindness, isolation,
or the way that winter steals the lives of the week.

Speaker 23 (01:23:18):
Oh, I know, it's really depressing.

Speaker 35 (01:23:21):
For centuries, Icelandic winters were deadly darkness, lasted up to
twenty hours a day, with snowstorms that could bury entire
farms and homes. Grila became the personification of everything frightening
about the cold season. The stories persisted for centuries. Church
records from the seventeen hundreds even mentioned priests forbidding parents

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from scaring children with Griyla, believing that the stories caused trauma.
Oh when was that seventeen hundreds.

Speaker 34 (01:23:48):
Oh, they were gentle parenting for a second, right.

Speaker 35 (01:23:51):
The priests were like, hey, pump the breaks. Yeah, so
you know, they're essentially saying, this creature is so terrifying,
you're scaring the kids so wet. Despite all of the
myth and folklore surrounding Graya. There are ongoing sightings of
Griyla like entities in Iceland. Some paranormal researchers think Grayla
could be a land spirit. Icelandic folklore is full of

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landfeter land spirits tied to mountains, rivers, cliffs, and fields.
Some are benevolent, some are not. Could Grila be a
particularly powerful mountain spirit. Many cultures, particularly Nordic and mountain cultures,
have myths of winter giants, and they all have common
traits like being tall, hungry, wild, and winter bound. So

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maybe Griyla is Iceland's version of universal Mysic structure of
a winter giant. And so we've talked about this before too,
you know, different cultures having similar creatures in their.

Speaker 34 (01:24:48):
Right, like the same kind of idea but a different name, right,
maybe some different characteristics, but the same big idea.

Speaker 5 (01:24:56):
Hm.

Speaker 35 (01:24:56):
There are some sightings and experiences that people attribute to Grayla.
Some hikers have described encountering a humanoid figures that are
seven to nine feet tall, with broad shoulders, a strange gait,
and a foul smell. They describe seen and smelling a
large shadowy shape moving through the snowfall and when I
was in Iceland, there's this particular place that has like

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a little bit of a waterfall. It's mostly frozen in
the winter, but they say, if you go up and behind,
that's the giant's layer.

Speaker 34 (01:25:24):
I was on the hunt.

Speaker 35 (01:25:24):
I was like, Giant, where are you?

Speaker 34 (01:25:28):
That would have been awesome if you saw them.

Speaker 35 (01:25:29):
I mean, you always have to be on the look out.

Speaker 34 (01:25:31):
Oh yeah, for sure.

Speaker 35 (01:25:33):
Some have even claimed to hear a deep guttural roar,
like something between a cow, a person, and the wind.
Travel writer Regina Hran recounts multiple local stories told to
her over the years, including a shepherd hearing footsteps in
a snowstorm, strange figures spotted on mountain ridges, steam rising
from caves associated with Gryla. There are numerous reports of

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people seeing huge figures up on high ridges during the
middle of crazy snowstorms. The dimmiborger lava fields are widely
believed to be Grila's home, and several blogs mention odd
experiences people have there, like the feeling of being watched,
seeing shadowy figures, hearing heavy footsteps in the snow, and
sudden changes in temperature or steambursts. There's also some anecdotal

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stories circulating, so here's a few.

Speaker 34 (01:26:20):
I love these, okay.

Speaker 35 (01:26:22):
In twenty eighteen, it said that a tourist of the
lava fields felt a presence following her. She saw a
hunched figure duck behind a rock formation far too large
to be a human. A guide later told her that's
Grila's home.

Speaker 17 (01:26:35):
Wooo.

Speaker 35 (01:26:36):
In nineteen ninety nine, a man was driving late at
night in the West Fjords and saw an old woman
standing in the road, tall with a torn cloak. When
he slowed down, she stepped into the snow and sank
into it like she fell straight through whoa. In the
Highlands in two thousand and seven, campers reported hearing heavy
thumping footsteps circling their tent. One described the pressure wave

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of a huge impact. When they looked outside, they saw nothing,
just deep holes in the snow leading up the slope.

Speaker 36 (01:27:05):
Ooh no, it's scary.

Speaker 28 (01:27:07):
Yeah.

Speaker 35 (01:27:08):
Also would I'm not a camper.

Speaker 34 (01:27:09):
No, I'm not either. I'm that's zero, especially not in
the winter snow.

Speaker 36 (01:27:14):
And absolutely no.

Speaker 34 (01:27:16):
If I go camping a better view, perfect weather, it
needs to be like the perfect condition, right, you know?

Speaker 35 (01:27:22):
Yeah, that would be so scary, and it's already such
a sort of alien landscape there. It's so different in
the thingv region. In twenty fifteen, hikers reported smelling a rotting,
earthy odor on a cold wind, described as a decay
mixed with wet stone. Oh wow, a large shadow moved
between the trees. They left immediately. They said, you don't

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know fear until you feel watched by something you can't see.

Speaker 28 (01:27:51):
Ooh yikes.

Speaker 35 (01:27:52):
That could give you a little chill.

Speaker 27 (01:27:54):
Yeah.

Speaker 35 (01:27:54):
Whether these encounters were Gryla or something else, there is
definitely some strange stuff happening in Iceland. So Gorilla is
more than a monster. She's the embodiment of winter, fear, hunger,
and survival. Whether she's a land spirit, a troll, a cryptid,
or a story carved from darkness and harsh winters, Grila

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persists in Iceland, and maybe that persistence is what makes
her powerful. Monsters don't last one thousand years by accident, Yeah,
that's for sure, So there's got to be something, Like
I am always of the belief there is something behind
these stories, right.

Speaker 34 (01:28:31):
Oh yes, if they've lasted this long, there has to
be something to it, for sure.

Speaker 35 (01:28:35):
So when the Winter House through the mountains of Iceland,
when the storms descend fast when shapes move in the
wide out and when the wind changes directions, suddenly they
say Grila is on the move.

Speaker 34 (01:28:48):
Oo oh my gosh.

Speaker 35 (01:28:50):
Yeah, so that's so cool. That's so scary, Yes, scary.

Speaker 34 (01:28:55):
Yeah, that's not your Norman Rockwell Christmas, right, you know.

Speaker 35 (01:28:59):
I mean, can you imagine being a little kid and
you're growing up hearing these stories of Greila.

Speaker 36 (01:29:04):
You're like, no, I don't want Christmas to come.

Speaker 35 (01:29:07):
Yeah, so scary.

Speaker 34 (01:29:09):
Oh my gosh, I was just cool.

Speaker 35 (01:29:10):
I remember reading that in Iceland they have a Christmas
tradition where they all like exchange and read books.

Speaker 36 (01:29:15):
Do you remember seeing that?

Speaker 35 (01:29:16):
Okay, And I think, oh, maybe that was just to
keep everybody inside.

Speaker 34 (01:29:20):
Maybe. I mean, if it's if it like, let's just
say that the reason for those tales is to keep
people out of danger, then maybe so, you know, yeah,
but interesting.

Speaker 36 (01:29:29):
I don't know.

Speaker 35 (01:29:29):
There is a real vibe and energy to Iceland. It's
unlike any place I've ever been. It's probably my favorite
place that I've ever visited. It just feels magical.

Speaker 34 (01:29:41):
That's awesome, you know, like all.

Speaker 35 (01:29:42):
Of these things seem like they could be real. There
could be a giant over there there could be you know,
fairies hid Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's very that's cool, very cool.

Speaker 34 (01:29:52):
Oh my gosh, thank you so much for sharing that.
That's awesome. Okay, my turn. It's Christmas. The lights are twinkling,
the o goo is steaming, and somewhere, maybe in your walls,
maybe up in the attic, or maybe perched on a
beam in the barn like a judgmental little gargoyle, a
tiny old man is watching everything you do. No, it's

(01:30:13):
not Santa, it's not even an elf. Today we're heading
to Scandinavia, where Christmas has its very own guardian spirit
who is part Santa's adorable cousin and part why are
my cow screaming at midnight? I'm talking about the Tomtay,
also called the Nisse, the Tompton, or the Tontu, depending

(01:30:34):
on where you are in the Nordic world. And just
like Andy, I do not speak these languages, so bear
with me on those pronunciations. He's a household or farm spirit,
usually described as child sized, with the face of an
old man who has definitely seen some things. He wears
simple peasant clothing and a little red cap, and this

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is important. He's tied to the land itself, not the family.
The land interesting. So if you move, he stays behind.
But if he leaves, well, your good luck leaves with him.

Speaker 9 (01:31:07):
Oh.

Speaker 34 (01:31:08):
Some traditions even say he's the spirit of the very
first farmer buried on the property, which is a wonderfully
creepy mental image. Nothing says festive Christmas spirit like a
tiny ancestral ghost who patrols the barn at night before
he ever gets tangled up with Christmas. The Tomte already
has a full job description. He's the night shift farm manager.

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He watches over the animals, checks the tools, keeps an
eye on the kids, and makes sure you didn't leave
your chores half done. He's the original I notice everything,
the worker. But with this dedication comes a personality issue.
The Tomte has a temper, a real one. Folklore says
he can be offended by just about anything, sloppy chores,

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mistreated animals, rudeness, or just general disrespect. I'm done with that, yeah,
And if you cross him, consequences range from innocent pranks
like moving your things around to souring your milk, breaking
your harnesses, or, in more extreme stories, harming people. Oh
he's small, but he is mighty and petty.

Speaker 36 (01:32:18):
I like him already.

Speaker 34 (01:32:21):
Now let's talk about why he becomes a Christmas figure
at all. Every midwinter households were expected to offer him
a bowl of porridge on Christmas Eve. Not as a
cute tradition, this was a vital, supernatural appeasement ritual, and
the porridge needed a generous pat of butter on top.
This detail was sacred. Oh okay, there's a famous bit

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of folklore where a farm hand hides the butter underneath
the porridge as a joke. It's hilarious.

Speaker 35 (01:32:52):
He's got nothing.

Speaker 36 (01:32:53):
Else to do.

Speaker 34 (01:32:55):
But tom Tia comes out, sees no butter, and immediately
flies in to a rage. He storms into the barn
and kills the farm's best cow.

Speaker 35 (01:33:04):
Oh, he killed the cow.

Speaker 34 (01:33:06):
Then it returns to the bowl, finishes the porridge, finds
the butter at the bottom, and goes Oh. Feeling guilty,
but not guilty enough to revive the cow. He sneaks
over to a neighbor's farm in the night, steals their
best cow and replaces the one he murdered. Truly the
original chaotic neutral well and the church. The Church was

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not a fan. Medieval Christian writers described the Tomte as
a heathen spirit linked to false gods and even the devil.

Speaker 7 (01:33:39):
Oh.

Speaker 34 (01:33:39):
Leaving out food offerings at midwinter was seen as spiritually dangerous,
but seemed kind of dangerous to not leave the food
out too, right, So the Tomte lived in this weird
limbo between beloved household helper and hey, maybe don't some
in the demons with oatmeal. His evolution into a Christmas
speaking really ramps up in the eighteen hundreds, when Scandinavian

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holiday customs start mixing together. The old farm Tonte merges
with the Yule goat who originally delivered gifts, and also
with the rising popularity of Saint Nicholas imagery. The result
is the Jewel Tomte, a gift bringing Christmas figure who
still looks like a Tomte but acts a little bit
more like Santa. So it's the little Gnome with the

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little red hat.

Speaker 35 (01:34:25):
You know, did you ever watch David the Nome? Do
you remember that? Did show?

Speaker 3 (01:34:29):
Uh?

Speaker 19 (01:34:29):
Uh?

Speaker 2 (01:34:30):
Oh?

Speaker 35 (01:34:30):
Man, it was like a staple of my childhood. I
don't really, that would have been like early nineties, maybe
late eighties. I'm gonna have to look into it. There
was David had animals and did things.

Speaker 34 (01:34:40):
Was he naughty?

Speaker 35 (01:34:41):
No, he was actually a nice vid. But I think
there were some naughty gnomes got you, David.

Speaker 34 (01:34:48):
Much of this new Christmas Tompte comes from the illustrations
of Jenny Nystrom, who drew the little red Capped Fellow
for Victor Rodberg's famous eighteen eighty one poem Tompta. This
was published in The New Illustrated magazine. Okay, here's the poem.
Midwhite's nightly frost is hard brightly, the stars are beaming fast.

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Asleep is the lonely yard. All at midnight are dreaming
clear as the moon and the snow drifts shine glistening
white on fur and pine covers on rooflets, making none
but the Tomtay is waking. Ooh yeah. So in that poem,
the Tomtay wanders the farm on a silent Christmas night,

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brooding on the meaning of life and the passing of
generations while everyone else sleeps. It's this bittersweet blend of
cozy and existential dread, truly the Scandinavian brand. Now, even
though modern Christmas decor makes him look cute and cheerful,

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the older folklore hasn't gone anywhere. Beneath the surface of
every adorable Tomtay figurine is a tiny farm spirit with
the power to bless your home or absolutely dismantle your vibe.
He's still tied to the land, he still expects respect,
and he still wants his Christmas porridge with butter on top,

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not underneath, not underneath. Modern day encounters with Tompton are
not literal sightings, but rather cultural adaptations, primarily seen in
holiday decor, stories and advertising that use Tomptay as a
symbol of tradition and goodwill. These interpretations focus on the
Tomptay's role as a benevolent guardian, but they also reflect

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on how this figure might adapt to the modern world,
such as fixing a malfunctioning appliance, as the original folklore
was tied to farms and traditional tasks, so it might
break your blender instead of like your harness for your
horse or whatever.

Speaker 35 (01:36:47):
You can just blame anything on them.

Speaker 34 (01:36:49):
Yeah, it's kind of like a Grimlin, you know. Remember
in Grimlins they're like, ooh, there's a Grimlin to but
Tompte did it broke the dryer? Whatever? So if you
ever spend Christmas in a Nordic farmhouse, which that sounds.

Speaker 35 (01:37:04):
Awesome, I'm picturing softly fallen snow.

Speaker 34 (01:37:07):
Yes, you know, our friend just moved back to Finland.
Did you see her pictures? Yes, so she's from Finland,
but she lived here in QS for a really long
time and she recently moved back and she posted these
pictures and it looks like a winter wonderland.

Speaker 35 (01:37:22):
It's straight out of you know, a greening cart or
something unbelievable.

Speaker 34 (01:37:27):
Yeah. So, if you get to spend a Christmas in
a Nordic farmhouse, here's what you should remember. Do your chores,
got it, Treat the animals well, don't rearrange things just
to be clever. Leave the porridge out on Christmas Eve,
and yes, absolutely put the butter on top. Ignore these rules,
and you might become the star of a very old,

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very judgmental folk tale. Imagine it. The house gets quiet,
the night deepens, and you hear a fiend footstep in
the dark. Not Santa, not Reindeer, not the wind, just
a tiny ancient guardian wandering the snowy yard, checking the animals,
watching your windows, making sure you kept the traditions that

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keep them happy. If you did everything right, you're safe.
If you forgot the butter, well, screwd. Maybe go apologize
to your cows now. Happy holidays friends, and may your
tom tae always be in a good mood.

Speaker 35 (01:38:24):
Oh I love that well. I'm in a great mood
after these festive spooky stories.

Speaker 12 (01:38:29):
Me too.

Speaker 34 (01:38:30):
This has been Felice and Andy from the You Two
Scare Me podcast.

Speaker 35 (01:38:34):
Happy holidays everyone, Stay warm in your new clothes, leave
some goodies out for our spirit friends, and beware what
lurks beyond the light.

Speaker 23 (01:38:47):
The night my family died, my aunt came to our
house to watch over me. That was fifteen years ago today.
That's not important to my story, but I did want
you to know that I wasn't alone, even though I
felt very much alone. Later that night, after meeting Arthur

(01:39:11):
and the old Homeless Lady, I laid in my bed.
I was still feeling the warmth from the Old Lady encounter.
As I'm laying there in my bed, I looked at
our unlike Christmas tree in the corner of our living room,
which I could see through my open door. I got

(01:39:32):
out of bed and walked to the tree. I just
stood there and looked at the box of old, dusty decorations.
I pulled out a small red glass bird. It was
my mom's favorite. I carefully placed it on a branch,

(01:39:52):
with tears threatening to leave my eyes. Then I placed another,
a small over star. I found a string of old,
tangled lights. It took me a moment, but I did
manage to plug them in. Then the tree flickered to life,

(01:40:16):
a soft, warm glow filling the dim room. It's far
from perfect, but it was my tree. Slowly, for the
first time in a year, a face full of pain
and sorrow was replaced with a little smile from a
little girl. I climbed back into bed, feeling a peacefulness

(01:40:38):
I hadn't felt in a year. I closed my eyes and,
to my surprise, dreamed of something good.

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It's Ebony's a scrooge until.

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The night he met someone extraordinarily.

Speaker 17 (01:42:29):
The muppet Christmas Carol.

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I'll print to mister Screw even though he is odious.

Speaker 17 (01:42:35):
Liston Jesus, I'm badly dressed, mister.

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Speaker 6 (01:43:03):
O lord wave.

Speaker 19 (01:43:06):
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Speaker 17 (01:43:09):
It's Charles Dickens's classic tale.

Speaker 9 (01:43:13):
It's only the Muppets can tell it. It's good to
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Speaker 8 (01:43:17):
It's good to be doing anything again.

Speaker 12 (01:43:19):
Filled with holiday warmth.

Speaker 2 (01:43:20):
Hey like the lamb, not the Rat Rat and Christmas Spirit.

Speaker 7 (01:43:26):
Jacob Mouley.

Speaker 8 (01:43:33):
Oh, that's scary stuff.

Speaker 7 (01:43:35):
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Speaker 17 (01:43:37):
That's all right, this is culture.

Speaker 8 (01:43:39):
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Speaker 28 (01:43:45):
Thank you for making me a part of this.

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The Muppet Christmas Carol.

Speaker 27 (01:43:53):
God bless us everyone wherever.

Speaker 2 (01:44:05):
All right, guys, welcome back to the Tragedy of Cinema podcast.
I am your host, Jimbo and on this very, very
special episode, we are joined by a guest making her
podcast debut. Mystery guest, would you like to announce to
the world who you are?

Speaker 18 (01:44:23):
I'm Reagan Johnson. I'm Jackie's daughter.

Speaker 2 (01:44:26):
We won't hold that against you, I will Jackie is here,
all right, Reagan, would you like to tell the audience
around the world what we are covering tonight?

Speaker 18 (01:44:39):
The Muppets Christmas Carol.

Speaker 2 (01:44:41):
Do you like the Muppets Christmas Carol? Or is it
just something your mom made you watch?

Speaker 36 (01:44:46):
Both?

Speaker 2 (01:44:49):
Dustin, do you like Muppets Christmas?

Speaker 17 (01:44:50):
I don't know. I'm going to probably be quiet on
this episode because it was my idea been part you know,
petitioning to get this, you know, done for a year
now almost, and then you let somebody else take my
thunder on them.

Speaker 2 (01:45:04):
It's all right, So, Reagan, what we do usually with
my co host is I throw a question out at
the beginning of this. So I've got two questions for you.
We're gonna let you answer the first one, and then
we'll go around the room and then I'm gonna hit
you with the second one. Oh, the first question, give
me your top three favorite Christmas movies of all time.

Speaker 18 (01:45:26):
I'd have to put my third one Beam up with
Christmas Carol, my second one be Home Alone, and then
my first one be Home Alone too.

Speaker 2 (01:45:35):
I like Home Alone two better than one too. When
they throw the bricks off the top and hit him
in the face, that's my favorite. Jackie.

Speaker 29 (01:45:42):
I would have to say my absolute favorite would be
Christmas Vacation. I love Clark Ruswold, and then I absolutely
love Home Alone because my girls love it and that's
a lot of fun. And I grew up watching the
original Rudolph, but I have to say it's gotta be
Muppets Christmas.

Speaker 28 (01:46:02):
I love it.

Speaker 36 (01:46:02):
I watch it all the time.

Speaker 17 (01:46:05):
Dustin no particular order, obviously up it's Christmas, Carol, Elf
and my third. I guess we'll just have to kick
that big old ball and just go the Nightmare before Christmas.

Speaker 36 (01:46:21):
Oh good one.

Speaker 17 (01:46:22):
It's a multi faceted holiday movie, coming in at number three.
It's even got a cameo for Thanksgiving, and I think
Valentine's Day and Easter about Valentine's Day, but I know
it has Easter.

Speaker 2 (01:46:33):
Well, he falls in love. It's got to be a
part of it.

Speaker 36 (01:46:36):
The doors, the doors, yeah, the tree doors.

Speaker 2 (01:46:38):
So coming in at number three one that's often overlooked,
but it's hilarious. Ernest Saves Christmas one of my all
time favorites, you know what I mean, Verne.

Speaker 17 (01:46:48):
I wouldn't expect anything less from me. What to say, Elms, elves,
Elms number two, give me a Christmas story because Dustin,
you'll put your eye out with that thing that was
such a flop. Though it was such a horrible, it's
a good movie.

Speaker 2 (01:47:04):
I'll tell you one thing. They don't put them up
at Christmas. Carol's on twenty four hours straight at.

Speaker 17 (01:47:08):
I'm pretty sure that's just because Ted Turner bought the
rights to a movie that sucked and he could play
it for twenty four hours and not have to pay
anybody anything.

Speaker 2 (01:47:17):
And number one, give me White Christmas.

Speaker 36 (01:47:21):
Oh, White Christmas is fine, Crisby.

Speaker 2 (01:47:24):
Dustin's probably never seen it. No Number four, number four,
number four, What is wrong with you?

Speaker 17 (01:47:30):
Because then I watch black and white movies.

Speaker 36 (01:47:33):
It's a wonderful life.

Speaker 17 (01:47:34):
Never watched it, My aunt loves it. Never watch classic.

Speaker 29 (01:47:36):
As a matter of fact, we actually we're gonna have
Abigail audition for Zuzu, and she was just a little
bit too young, so we're gonna try for next year
for Zuzu.

Speaker 2 (01:47:45):
All right, Question number two, Reagan, we'll start with you
again because it takes Dustin a while to think, so
we gotta make him go. What is your top three
favorite Muppet characters?

Speaker 12 (01:47:58):
Oh?

Speaker 18 (01:48:00):
I forgot their names already, the right.

Speaker 17 (01:48:07):
I'm gonna say. She probably likes Animal and Gonzo.

Speaker 2 (01:48:11):
I'm gonna say Miss Piggy, Miss Peggy.

Speaker 36 (01:48:14):
No, that's wrong, what's the Blue Guy.

Speaker 2 (01:48:19):
Jackie?

Speaker 29 (01:48:20):
I have to say Gonzo and Rizzo, But then I
love Pepe and Pepe is not in this one, but
he's my favorite.

Speaker 2 (01:48:27):
So yeah, that's two. Are you going to say Gonzo
and I didn't know if you're pairing them together.

Speaker 7 (01:48:33):
Well, I can do that.

Speaker 9 (01:48:35):
Yeah, no, not you.

Speaker 36 (01:48:36):
I can pare them together because I absolutely love Ralf
too is awesome.

Speaker 17 (01:48:40):
Yeah, Animal, Gonzo and Rizzo is a pair because you
can't have one without the other. Let's go Beaker. Those
are probably beakers.

Speaker 36 (01:48:52):
One.

Speaker 2 (01:48:54):
Number three Fazzy Bear. I'll walk on walk, I'll walk up.

Speaker 36 (01:49:00):
I could see you being a fozzy person.

Speaker 2 (01:49:02):
Number two Kermit the Frog.

Speaker 17 (01:49:07):
You know you play you play Mario when you play
like Mario Kart and stuff. Number number one, you could
pair of them together. It doesn't matter if they were
on the Muppet Show, Muppet Treasure Island, this movie give
me Stadler and Wardole. That's my honorable mention.

Speaker 2 (01:49:25):
Yeah, funny, they're so funny. And Muppet Treasure Island where
they're hanging off the ship and Kermit's trying to save
the pig and they're on the mast of the ship
and they're like, oh, look, the frog saved the pig,
and they're like, too bad, he couldn't save the rest
of the show.

Speaker 36 (01:49:38):
One of my absolute favorite things this year.

Speaker 29 (01:49:40):
On Halloween, there was a theater that had a show
and so the entire Tech audience dressed as the Woldorf
and Sadler Satler and they were like booing them and
all this kind of stuff at the intermission.

Speaker 36 (01:49:55):
It was hilarious and.

Speaker 2 (01:49:56):
An honorable mention for me would be sweet them's the
big old Guy's cool.

Speaker 19 (01:50:00):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:50:02):
The Muppet movie is one of my all time favorites.
It's one of the first eight tracks I ever owned.
That's how old I am. The old cook click dustin
do you remember eight track?

Speaker 17 (01:50:10):
Before my time? But funny last week when I was
shopping in town, I found all kinds of A tracks
it good Will and John I said, I don't have
an A track Bob Singer. I talked about Anne about it,
who's the Muppet nut that got me into the Muppets?
And She's like, oh, it sucked because you'd be just
listening to a song and it would like click to

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the next one at like the same like time in
the song, but just like randomly changed. She's like, it
was just randomly do that.

Speaker 2 (01:50:38):
That's fun all right, So enough of the questions. Let's
get down to the brass tacks of the Muppet Christmas.
Carol Reagan, since you are the honored guest tonight, We're
gonna put you on the spot. We want you to
give us the plot summary of what a Muppet Christmas
Carol is all about, and Dustin's gonna help you out
with the script I.

Speaker 9 (01:50:58):
Got you you.

Speaker 18 (01:51:01):
The Mumpic Christmas Carol tells the story of Ebenezer Scrooge
is a misery, miserable, and cold hearted man who hates
Christmas and cares only about money. On Christmas Eve, he
is visited by the ghost of his former business partner,
job Jacob Marley, who warns the sorry It warns him

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that three spirits will come to show him the error
of his ways. The ghost of Christmas Past takes Scrooge
on a journey through his childhood in early adulthood, revealing
the moments that hardened his heart. The ghost of Christmas

(01:51:50):
Presence shows him the joy of struggles of others, especially
the Cratchit family and the frail hearted, kind hearted Tiny Tim. Finally,
the Ghost of Christmas Yet to Come reveals a grim
future if Scrooge does not does not change his including

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his lonely death and Tiny Tim's possible fate. Terrified and moves,
Scrooge awakens on Christmas morning transferred, embracing generosity, joy and
kindness unlimitedly, saving Tiny Tim and becoming a beloved future
figure in his community. The Muppets add humor and charmed
throughout the with Kermit and Bob Cratchett, Miss Piggy as

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Bell and Gonzo narrating, and Rizzo providing comic commentary.

Speaker 2 (01:52:45):
As reading his heart.

Speaker 17 (01:52:49):
Don't hide in the back of the class when it's
time to do your presentation, because.

Speaker 2 (01:52:56):
Tell us the cast.

Speaker 36 (01:52:59):
So the cast in this show. As you know, there
is not very many humans in this show.

Speaker 29 (01:53:03):
So Michael Caine was Scrooge, who was better known as
Alfred from Batman. Karen Allen as Missus Crotchett, who was
known for her roles in Indiana Jones Films as Marion Ravenwood,
Gilliam Lynn as the Ghost of Christmas Past, Jerry Nelson
as the Ghost of Christmas Present.

Speaker 36 (01:53:24):
And you gave me the wrong page.

Speaker 2 (01:53:29):
The top.

Speaker 36 (01:53:31):
Nope, it's cut off there up there. Yeah, that's we're
missing a little bit more. But that's okay.

Speaker 29 (01:53:39):
Dave Goldzil as Gonzo Zoot Woldolf or Woldwarf. Sorry, Steve
Whitmeyer as Kermit, Rizzo, and Beaker, Frank Oz as Miss Piggy,
Fozzy Bear, Sam Eagle, Kevin Clash as additional puppets, Richard
Hunt as additional puppets, and Jerry Nelson as additional puppets.
And I have a funny little fact about Jerry Nelson.

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He actually is credited at the very very end of
the movie as Rizzo, the rats snack keeper. So he
made all of Rizzo's snacks for the movie, the little
jelly beans and the little apples. Yes, so he's credited
as Rizzo's snack providers.

Speaker 2 (01:54:19):
Jackie Dustin don't answer us'mna say if Fagan knows the
first time, we'll go to Jackie, Jackie or Reagan. Do
you know who Frank Oz portrays? Not in this movie?
What's he famous for?

Speaker 36 (01:54:31):
Okay, I don't know.

Speaker 18 (01:54:34):
I absolutely don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:54:35):
In Star Wars he was the puppeteer for Yoda.

Speaker 9 (01:54:39):
Ah.

Speaker 36 (01:54:40):
Well, see, my dad probably could have answered that, Oh yeah,
he's the Star Wars.

Speaker 2 (01:54:43):
Don't make us call your dad.

Speaker 36 (01:54:46):
I don't watch Star Wars enough.

Speaker 2 (01:54:48):
By the way, we that is a shame. By the way,
we've called your grandparents.

Speaker 36 (01:54:55):
Interviewed not this podcast on apod.

Speaker 17 (01:54:59):
You have to remember that we're hight well not you,
but me and Jackie. We're hijacking your other podcast because
we bring downloads.

Speaker 2 (01:55:08):
You bring it down?

Speaker 36 (01:55:09):
Can we bring it down?

Speaker 8 (01:55:10):
That's more accurate.

Speaker 2 (01:55:10):
Yeah, down loadsen did this win any awards?

Speaker 17 (01:55:15):
Okay, you're totally going out of order and context and
you're totally messing me up.

Speaker 2 (01:55:18):
Well, it's because I had to share my notes with Jackie.

Speaker 17 (01:55:21):
So before we get to the wars, we have to
talk about the film. So this fantastic movie was released
on December eleventh, nineteen ninety two. It was production dates
were June eleventh through mid August of ninety two. The
Muppets Christmas Curl was filmed primarily in London, England, to
capture the Victorian London settings of Charles Dickens' story. It

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was done at Shepperton Studios. Interior sets there including Scrooge's
Counting House and the Crotch at Home. The streets of London,
you know, they recreated that in backlots in different studios.
Exterior shots of the Victorian streets the town squares were used.
Various soundstages across London were used for the puppet performances

(01:56:05):
and controlled scenes. So The budget of this movie was
twelve million dollars or twenty seven point seven million today.
The opening box weekend did just over five million dollars
at two thousand and seventy five theaters. US box office
sales were twenty seven thousand dollars or sixty two point

(01:56:26):
three million today. International box office was five point eight
million plus inflation, which goes to thirteen point six for
a worldwide box office of thirty three point two million
or seventy seven million dollars today. So that would be
a successful movie because you more than doubled your budget.

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So this was produced by Jim Henson and Frank Oz.
We kind of talk about what these people do and
other things. Most of everybody that worked on this film
worked for Jim and and and Henson Studios. So a
lot of the people they were within the organization and
they stayed not a lot of outsiders were in the stuff.

Speaker 29 (01:57:12):
Yes, this was the first film that Jim Henson was
not a part of for the Muppets as well his
son Brian.

Speaker 17 (01:57:19):
His son Brian took over, which thank you for stealing
him more of my thunder sorry. So it was it
was directed by Brian Henson who was known for his
work on The Muppets and the Dinosaurs TV show.

Speaker 36 (01:57:32):
And he was Jim Henson's son.

Speaker 2 (01:57:34):
Yes, did you like the Dinosaurs TV?

Speaker 36 (01:57:36):
The Dinosaurs, not the Mama, Not the Mama.

Speaker 17 (01:57:39):
I need to go back and watch it as an
adult to catch some of the context and see how
it ages Reagan.

Speaker 2 (01:57:44):
Have you ever seen the Dinosaurs?

Speaker 29 (01:57:46):
I was going to say, I don't think we've introduced that,
but I mean that was me growing up as at
her age.

Speaker 36 (01:57:51):
That was like our Saturday nights. I have to pull
it up here when I think it was on t G,
I f yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:57:56):
It was like it was on ABC?

Speaker 17 (01:57:57):
Like, am I right? It was the Dinosaurs? And then
I felt like it was married with Children and then
Rescue nine to one one.

Speaker 29 (01:58:04):
It was late at night because it was like the
last thing we were allowed to watch before we got
kicked out.

Speaker 2 (01:58:09):
They weren't all on the same channel.

Speaker 17 (01:58:12):
I felt like they were. But I was a kid,
So Children was on.

Speaker 2 (01:58:15):
Fox, Dinosaurs was on ABC, I do believe, and Rescue
nine one one I think was on fifty nineteen, so
literally changed the channel.

Speaker 17 (01:58:22):
We were allowed to watch Dinosaurs. And then Dad took
over the TV.

Speaker 36 (01:58:26):
And we watched That's how it happened.

Speaker 17 (01:58:28):
We watched with Children and then Rescue nine one one afterwards,
and I feel like unsolved mysteries came after that. But
we're talking thirty years ago, and I shouldn't have been
watching Married with.

Speaker 36 (01:58:40):
Children that left me when of that age?

Speaker 12 (01:58:43):
Yea.

Speaker 17 (01:58:44):
So it was written by Jerry Jewel and David Richardson
along with Braarly right if I don't know if that's
how you say her name or their name, And it's
an an adaptation of Charles dickens eighteen forty three novel
A Christmas Carol. Screenplay was by Jerry Jewel, edited by
John Glover. The musical score was by John John. I

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see a Paul, it's always John Paul, but it's Paul
Williams sal mixed by Dan Wallin and Tom Vicerry. The
run time was eighty five minutes. Se six hundred and
fifty feet of film was used in the final cut,
which was likely like seventy six thousand feet overall, because
you had to film certain things and overlay it, so

(01:59:30):
a lot of film was used. Imagine how much the
film costs? As I say, how much do you think
a foot of film cost oh gosh. Astronomically, I feel
like I ran across that number, like the total cost
of film, but I didn't.

Speaker 2 (01:59:43):
Keep a note of Yeah, I don't remember either, but
just think if you had to do reshoots. Yeah, that's
why when they say they're going over budget and they
have to trim it down and all that, that's just
a waste of So.

Speaker 17 (01:59:54):
The total amount of runtime for that seventy six thousand
feet of film was eight hundred and fifty minutes.

Speaker 9 (02:00:00):
Wow.

Speaker 17 (02:00:01):
So the Muppet films require a lot of footage because
every scene with the puppets needs multiple takes for lip syncing, timing,
puppet coordination. So there's just a lot of things going on.
Musical numbers, stunt sequences, complicated camera angles also means directors
shoot many extra takes well.

Speaker 29 (02:00:19):
And there was a district songs that were cut from
this movie as well, which could have been part of
the run time. There was two songs, one at the
beginning and one of the end that they both cut out.

Speaker 17 (02:00:30):
Yeah, I'm going to say, like, you know, the budget
was blown by the amount of film that does they go,
But I'm sure they had it figured out because they've
done gosh, how many movies up to this point.

Speaker 36 (02:00:41):
Well, the entire Muppet TV show and The Muppet.

Speaker 17 (02:00:43):
Show and which which is interesting that we go there
because was that film in front of a live audience
or did it just have the laugh track? Yeah, because
I'm n have to look at that because I know
a lot of that stuff they were really pushing, like
studio and audience stuff, which would have been super difficult
for that to do. But you had that laugh track
end it kind of.

Speaker 2 (02:01:04):
But see, I was that was one of my shows
I watched when it came on, so I was there
the first time around, not reruns, and it was one
of my favorites. Yeah, Muppets have always been something I love.

Speaker 17 (02:01:16):
It definitely catches it. It's a different time, like it's
when you watch it, like the movies are dated to
the time, but it's a it's a the Puppets kind
of an art that I lost art. It got lost
and you had you know, Claymation is another art to
where you're constantly changing, which we got to do Night
Mob before Christmas at some point, just so we can
talk about the intricacies of the claymation and how like

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the stop shooting that they do and everything.

Speaker 2 (02:01:42):
It's the original Clash of the Titans, Dustin. Have you
ever seen that?

Speaker 36 (02:01:47):
No, Jackie, Yes, it's been a long time.

Speaker 2 (02:01:50):
You watch that and the great Ray Harry Housen and
everything that he did with that, with the Medusa and
all that.

Speaker 9 (02:01:56):
Reagan.

Speaker 2 (02:01:56):
You need to watch that if you get a chance.
I will class you're almost old enough to watch Beast Master.

Speaker 36 (02:02:04):
Too many ferrets, too many loin claws, so many win claws.

Speaker 1 (02:02:08):
You know, I'm sorry, what are you?

Speaker 9 (02:02:10):
What are you talking about?

Speaker 29 (02:02:11):
That was an awakening for me with George at the
Jungle back in the day, me and Brandon Frasier when
he went back.

Speaker 2 (02:02:17):
And now let's Adrian Brody. I know, I don't know
who has the better nose, Adrian Brodie or Gonzo.

Speaker 36 (02:02:25):
Adrian.

Speaker 17 (02:02:27):
I love for us adults and here I shared a
picture earlier today. No, no, no, no, imagine the porky
scene with the woman and Gonzo just gonna put it
there and I'll have to edit that out. It's okay,
it's okay. I didn't say nothing wrong, just for the

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adults just to pick They can probably google and find it.
So that are listening, like, okay, yeah, because you're you're
you're demographics twelve to sixteen.

Speaker 2 (02:02:58):
Well, who's sitting in this room right now, she's eleven.

Speaker 17 (02:03:01):
I'm just saying your demographic is going to be way
older than all of us.

Speaker 36 (02:03:07):
I think, oh right.

Speaker 17 (02:03:08):
So so the film format used with thirty five millimeter
UH and a formatic.

Speaker 2 (02:03:16):
Anamorphic and I'm morphic.

Speaker 36 (02:03:18):
I said that I had five times anaphylactic what.

Speaker 17 (02:03:20):
Shock, which was a widescreen, which was the standard for
theatcal theoretrical releases at the time. The format allowed for
a two by thirty five to one aspect ratio, giving
a full cinematic wide screen while accommodating the muppets puppetry
in their elaborate sets. So kind of a method behind

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the madness when they filmed. The Eastman color process produces
a rich, vibrant color that was used widely in the
theatric theatrical films of the era. They used a movie
cam compact and panavision cameras. Lenses were Alicia Lens's for
the movie cam and pan division lenses. The Cinema Cinema

(02:04:04):
Cinema graphic process was spherical. Got me all messed up
because you got me all out of my sequence. And
it's not good.

Speaker 2 (02:04:11):
Let's face it, it didn't matter what secrets we went in,
you were gonna mess up.

Speaker 17 (02:04:15):
I'm just surprised they actually used a different camera, Like
a lot of the camera the Paneflex was huge, So
now we're kind of using a camera. Have you talked
about movie cam cameras before?

Speaker 3 (02:04:24):
On?

Speaker 2 (02:04:25):
Okay?

Speaker 17 (02:04:26):
So the stuff that I've done and listened to, I've
not heard that one.

Speaker 2 (02:04:28):
So you gotta go back. Dustin, like the first four
years of this show, you know, hear a lot of it.

Speaker 17 (02:04:33):
So the awards. It was nominated for a Grammy in
nineteen ninety four for Best Musical Album for a Children's Movie,
which kind of just makes me mad that it's a
children's movie.

Speaker 36 (02:04:44):
It was done family friendly.

Speaker 2 (02:04:46):
It was family friendly like that explained why it's one
of Dustin's favorites.

Speaker 17 (02:04:50):
Here's the story. I had the flu and my aunt
came to see me and she brought me a movie
to watch, and it happened to be this. So you know,
you lay on the couch, you're sick, watch it. It
gets rewound, you'll watch it again. So that's what I
watched when I had the flu. Around Christmas time. I
usually just had to watch The Price Is Right. Oh,
I love Price Is Right? Home sick from school. I

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used to have lunch with my grandma when I went
to the career center for welding.

Speaker 2 (02:05:15):
Are we going to food again again?

Speaker 17 (02:05:17):
And I go have lunch at my grandma's and The
Price Is Right was on every day. It was so good.
It did win Best Family Movie at the Movie Guide Awards,
and it won Best Picture at an International Angel Awards.
It tied with Aladdin. So a little fun fact and

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out of sequence, Jackie uncovered basically the whole cast, So
we'll skip over that now. I'm not angry.

Speaker 2 (02:05:46):
Are you angry?

Speaker 36 (02:05:50):
Hanging out too much?

Speaker 17 (02:05:51):
Not angry? I just you know there's covered. I could
tell you that Michael Caine was screwed and we knew
him as Alfred from Batman, But somebody already said that
I need to put numbers at the bottom of the pages,
don't I.

Speaker 2 (02:06:04):
Would have said Michael Caine, the director from Noises Off.

Speaker 36 (02:06:08):
I love Noises Off.

Speaker 2 (02:06:10):
I guarantee you Dustin has never seen did you know?

Speaker 17 (02:06:13):
Karen Allen that played Missus Cratchett's also known for her
roles in the Indiana Jones films. As Marion Ravenwood.

Speaker 2 (02:06:22):
No ship did you say that too? I don't know.

Speaker 17 (02:06:25):
I didn't know what she went through the whole thing.
She lost it somewhere, so I didn't know where she
lost to you.

Speaker 2 (02:06:31):
Now, remember you copied your notes and gave it to
every single one of them. I do, but she lost
the page. I didn't know where she left. If you
were listening, I was listening, Reagan. Do you see what
we put up with each and every time we do
this old people. He might be the youngest one at
the table beside you.

Speaker 17 (02:06:49):
So inside baseball, the way this goes is typically either
me or Bond or whoever the other person is goes
through like all of this stuff by themselves. And then
Jimbo comes.

Speaker 2 (02:07:01):
In with all the facts and Dustin said, don't worry, Jimbo,
I got you. And he went ahead did all the notes.
I don't even know what's in the notes. Didn't even
look at him, so Dustin.

Speaker 17 (02:07:14):
Back to me to do the notes down. So now
we're so out of our sequence, putting on the spot.
So we did say that this was Brian Henson. The
first Muppets movie that was that was directed by somebody
other than Jim Henson. His son Brian Henson directed the
movie after Jim Henson died in nineteen ninety. We talked
about it being filmed in London. We talked about the

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cameras and they use those those specific cameras because the
filters were used to soften some of the lights and
the highlights for you know, the puppets. Typical muppet shooting
ratios were high around ten to one due to puppetry's demands,
meaning far more film was shot than was used in
the final cut. We talked about that as well.

Speaker 2 (02:07:56):
Can you give us something we haven't talked about.

Speaker 17 (02:07:58):
I'm working on it. Michael Caine wore heavy prosthetic, prosthetic
makeup and multiple layers of costumes to transform into Ebenezer Scrooge.
Before production began, Sir Michael Caine told producers and director
Brian Henson, I'm going to play this movie like I
am working with the Royal Shakespeare Company. I will never wink,

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I will never do anything muppety. I'm gonna play Scrooge
as if it's an utterly dramatic role and that no
puppets were around me. Henson replied, yes, bang on, So
I'm trying to take a serious and I think you
pick that up in the movie that now that you
kind of know that when you watch it, just watch
the body language and the way that he acts.

Speaker 2 (02:08:46):
Speaking of body language, you know, I was sitting here thinking,
you know, if Dustin was in the Muppet Christmas Carol,
who would he be anomously? No, obviously it's the ghost
of Christmas Presents because he comes in and all foods.

Speaker 9 (02:09:01):
Come in and know me better.

Speaker 36 (02:09:03):
Man, I say that all the time.

Speaker 2 (02:09:04):
I love it.

Speaker 29 (02:09:05):
So you know a fun fact about Michael Caine playing this,
he was actually the first human to play a key
character in a Muppet feature film. This became the go
to format moving forward because Michael Kaine's approach was so good.
That quote that you just mentioned is the reason why.

Speaker 36 (02:09:22):
They did that.

Speaker 29 (02:09:23):
And it's actually the same thing that they did with
Muppet Treasure Island with Tim Curry.

Speaker 36 (02:09:28):
Everything.

Speaker 29 (02:09:29):
They made that particular villainous character portray a very serious
character and not interact with the Muppets the way that
all the others previously had been silly and fun.

Speaker 17 (02:09:41):
I think you have to make it serious, Like you know,
you're watching something so silly, but you have to kind
of draw the line somewhere, and when you do that,
it gives it some legitimacy behind it, absolutely versus you
have in another You know, if you had Scrooge as
another Muppet, I don't think it would have really blended well.
So when you have that human element and it's a

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very stern, very direct, no nonsense, it it kind of
makes yeah. And and in this case, it really makes
the Muppets stand out a little bit more outlandish and
more entertaining.

Speaker 2 (02:10:17):
Speaking of that, me and Kyle a while back, we
covered the movie Out of Africa with a lady on
TikTok named Kelly mc andrews, and I had stumbled across
Kelly on TikTok and I sent her message because you
know what she was famous for. She would muppet movies
like she would take a movie and replace all of

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them with muppets except like one or two people. And
it was very good.

Speaker 17 (02:10:41):
So if you ever see her, or if you ever
go to look us, have you ever seen bam Neely's
version of Harry Potter and the Sorcerer's Stone And it
is very it is very rated R. But I was like,
we totally need to take a movie like this and like,
you know, we talked about a watch along and we
just you'll watch it and you just make it your

(02:11:02):
own and listen to it. And if you've not, like
it's very very rated. Are but it's hilarious. It's one
guy doing.

Speaker 2 (02:11:09):
This family friendly podcast. We would do well, it's you.

Speaker 17 (02:11:13):
You cover some stuff you know that that gets pretty raunchy.
So it's okay.

Speaker 2 (02:11:17):
Not what's an eleven year old in the room.

Speaker 17 (02:11:19):
I didn't say it, didn't talk her to like we're
going to do it and how you have to sink
it and everything. So in an interview with Carbat the
Frog Uh, he stated that the most important piece of
acting advice ever given to him by Sir Michael Caine
on the set of the movie was to never blink.

Speaker 9 (02:11:38):
Hi ho, kirmy frog here.

Speaker 17 (02:11:41):
That's not bad.

Speaker 9 (02:11:42):
Yeah.

Speaker 17 (02:11:42):
See we could tellally do this, you could be kermit,
it'd be all right.

Speaker 36 (02:11:46):
It's a lot of fun.

Speaker 29 (02:11:47):
I actually just went to a theater production where they
did The Muppet Show with voice actors and it was
hilarious and all the actors were dressed up.

Speaker 12 (02:11:55):
It was great.

Speaker 17 (02:11:56):
There's a common misconception that people only say Merry Christmas
in America and Happy Christmas in Great Britain. In fact,
both expressions originated in England, and Charles Dickens had several characters.
Any Christmas carols say Merry Christmas, Charles and Rizzo. Charles
and Rizzo, Oh Chuck are selling red delicious apples, a

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breed developed in eighteen eighty. Red Delicious Apples didn't get
that name until nineteen fourteen, a decade after the.

Speaker 36 (02:12:28):
Story is set, So it's wax anyways, it's fine.

Speaker 17 (02:12:36):
During the Fozzi Whig party, Animal and Rolf are playing
a modern drum kit and piano. See the Muppets, they
can't You can't take them seriously, they can't be period correct.
When Cratchett is singing and carrying tiny Tim down the
street on his shoulders, the floor keeps moving underneath him
and he stops walking, so you can see him stop

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walking and the floors keep moving. When Bob Cratchitt closes
the office door in the beginning of the film, he
locks the door with a key. Apparently this lock didn't
work right At the end of the film, when Scrooge
walks around town singing, he just opens the same door
without a key.

Speaker 2 (02:13:14):
It was probably scared to be locked when he came
to the door.

Speaker 17 (02:13:17):
But there's no crime over there. It's okay, you can
leave your doors unlocked. Do you think Scrooge was Jack
the Ripper? Yeah, I thought this was a kid's podcast.
Now she knows about Jack the Ripper. Don't you you
will No, I'll tell you on the way home.

Speaker 2 (02:13:35):
She won't sleep tonight.

Speaker 17 (02:13:37):
The Marleys make a remark about teddy Bears in eighteen forties.
In the eighteen forties, the first Teddy Bear was a
president in nineteen oh three and named for Theodore Roosevelt.

Speaker 36 (02:13:49):
Why is he tearing apart my favorite movie? Come on,
he's cheering to.

Speaker 17 (02:13:53):
Who was born in eighteen fifty eight.

Speaker 36 (02:13:55):
Don't point these flaws out.

Speaker 2 (02:13:57):
Wait till he starts talking about PE's Big Adventure.

Speaker 36 (02:14:00):
No, we are not doing that.

Speaker 17 (02:14:03):
Just because you like it doesn't mean that they didn't
have things wrong.

Speaker 8 (02:14:05):
I love Pey's Big Adventures.

Speaker 17 (02:14:07):
When Scrooge leaves the counting House to go home, it's
dusk or twilight. I don't know what that had to
do with anything. Oh, here we go. I hit an
extra space, so it put the rest of the because

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England along with the reddest of the British isles in
the Northern Hemisphere. It would actually already be pitch dark
after four pm at the time of the year, and
the location. I just hit one, Timmy and it's okay.
And then when Scrooge is showing doctor Honeydew and Beaker
the door, it would appear that Beaker flips off Scrooge

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and it somehow slipped past the sensors, likely due to
the fact that Beaker doesn't have any fingers.

Speaker 36 (02:14:57):
They have four fingers.

Speaker 2 (02:14:58):
Was just telling him he was number one.

Speaker 17 (02:15:00):
You're number one. You're number one, and that's at the
end of my note. So Jimbo, you can take over now,
all right.

Speaker 2 (02:15:06):
So what we're gonna do, Reagan, is we are going
to go around and say what you liked you didn't
like about this film, and where are you rating it
on a scale of one to ten as one being terrible,
don't ever watch it. Ten be and it's absolutely everybody
must watch it. So we'll start with Dustin, so we'll
give you time to think.

Speaker 17 (02:15:27):
So one to ten it's a strong eight and a half.
You gotta remember figure skating, nobody ever gets a ten,
so ten will be You can never make a movie better.
So I think eight point five is a really solid
number for this movie. What I liked, I don't know this.
The songs were weren't bad, you know, to be like

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a musical, but it wasn't bad songs. I have to
take a comment I made to somebody else over the
week that one of my favorite musicals is this movie
because there's so much singing. There's only one.

Speaker 29 (02:16:02):
More like a lot of singing, and all the Muppet
movies they do quite a bit and the songs are cute, So.

Speaker 17 (02:16:09):
I mean it just I don't know, it just hit
a It was a really good balance of in my opinion,
it is the best Muppet movie. In my opinion, I
think it's just because it's it's a very well known story.
It was adapted very well, It stayed true to the story,
It added in some humor that only the Muppets can do,
and then having you know, Michael Caine being this very

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serious Shakespearean actor. It just it hit the things right
for the time and it and it holds up to today.

Speaker 36 (02:16:40):
I think, Jackie, you know, I have a few facts
yet about this real quick.

Speaker 17 (02:16:48):
Oh, this is why I was covered, This is why
I tried to leave some facts that I figured jim
BO'SNNA have five pages because he takes everything from.

Speaker 9 (02:16:56):
I mb D.

Speaker 29 (02:16:57):
Well, I have a few, you're so I have to say,
this is the first time that Kermit the Frog is
actually seen walking in a movie. It required ten puppeteers
just to maneuver him across and they had to green
screen the film into into that bit. So that was
kind of a really interesting fun fact. So that was
actually the first time in a movie they've made Kermit

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the Frog walk.

Speaker 2 (02:17:20):
Now, my mind's going back to the original Muppet movie.
You see him riding a bike.

Speaker 36 (02:17:25):
Riding a bike, yes, but this is the first time
about we.

Speaker 2 (02:17:28):
Comes walking out for the showdown with Doc Copper.

Speaker 36 (02:17:32):
Well, this is actually a fun fact. This is a
well known researched one, so this is one that has
been proved.

Speaker 29 (02:17:40):
But it's the first time that he was seen walking
by himself. I just know, yes, And it's the part
where he is walking and the shooting star happens and
he's got like tiny tim on his shoulder and everything.
That particular scene took about seven hours to get complete,
which was pretty cool because.

Speaker 17 (02:17:59):
I'm sure the other movies it was probably all the
way it was shot. You only seen certain parts, so
you assumed that he was walking.

Speaker 36 (02:18:06):
But yeah, this was the first time he was compared.

Speaker 17 (02:18:08):
Actually not because you see Kermit the Frog walk a
lot on Muppet Babies.

Speaker 2 (02:18:13):
Have you seen the original Muppet movie. It's been a
long time.

Speaker 17 (02:18:16):
I actually was going to start watching this because I
was trying to push you to do a Muppets episode.
When they decided they were going to close a Rock
and Roll the Muppet three D theater at MGM Studios,
which was a fantastic thing, and I was very sad,
and the Orlando Airport kind of paid homage to them,
and then they announced that they're going to take Aerosmith

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from the Rock and Roller coaster and make it Muppets themed.

Speaker 29 (02:18:41):
Well, strange fact about that, Jim Henson died ten days
after the deal with Disney happened that MGM and Henson
Studios were going to go into the parks. So it
was one of the last things he did was get
the Muppets into Disney, which is actually kind of an
interest thing too.

Speaker 17 (02:19:00):
Yeah, and it's one of those things to think that
his production gets the Disney stage and then you're like, Okay,
it's like a bugs life is getting taken out and
it's been there forever. That's a really cool but it's
not been updated. Was a great another three D theater,
but it's just as time goes that gets replaced by
something else. But it's good to see the Muppets have
somewhat stood the test of time and they're able to

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continue on in just a different light.

Speaker 29 (02:19:26):
So yeah, So ninety five percent of Gonzo's lines are
directly from a Christmas carol, which is kind of a
fun little effect. They chose Gonzo to be Charles Dickens
because he was the least like Charles Dickens, and they
thought that between the humor of him and Rizzo, it
would come across better.

Speaker 36 (02:19:47):
So they originally were going.

Speaker 29 (02:19:48):
To go more serious, and the more they thought about it,
there said, no, we need a break in this, and
so that's why Gonzo and Rizzo were chosen. They were
originally supposed to be a more serio carrict and there's.

Speaker 17 (02:20:00):
No way you could pull an off it. That's what
makes the movie, is the way it's.

Speaker 36 (02:20:05):
In the BackStar right now or am I I'm just saying.

Speaker 17 (02:20:07):
That's what makes it. That's what.

Speaker 36 (02:20:10):
First appearance this was the duo's first appearance.

Speaker 29 (02:20:13):
It was the first time that they were coupled together
because before it was always Gonzo and the Chickens Camilla
Camilla exactly, and so this was the first time that
they were partnered as a comedy duop. I'm not sure,
but he was one of the originals. I mean it's
been a while, but yeah, he always had little stuff.

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A lot of times the rats were like the backstage,
getting the people ready and everything. So the shooting star
sequence at the end of One More Sleep Tell Christmas
is actually a trademark of the Muppets and it's featured
in other films, which is Muppets in Space and Muppets
Treasure Island. That's a ode to Jim Henson. So anytime

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you see that that is something that they're they're letting
Jim know that they're still thinking of them, which is
pretty cool. So Miss Piggy was originally supposed to be
the cast as the Ghost of Christmas Present, come in
better Men and know me Better?

Speaker 36 (02:21:09):
Mean is that something good? Yeah, it was gonna be
really funny.

Speaker 29 (02:21:13):
The Robin who is tiny Tim, he was actually gonna
be the Ghost of Christmas Past.

Speaker 36 (02:21:18):
So he was gonna be the Little Spirit, and.

Speaker 29 (02:21:20):
Then Animal and Gonzo were going to be the ghost
of Christmas yet to come, and they decided to take
that out, and they needed it to be more scary.
They needed people to understand that it was a serious story,
and that's when they went with the much more serious,
scary way of doing it. So I've already told you guys.
At the rolling credits at the end of the movie,

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it's Rizzo's personal caterer, is how it's advertising in there,
And it's for all of the apples and jelly beans
that they made, which was really cute.

Speaker 36 (02:21:49):
I absolutely love.

Speaker 2 (02:21:50):
That little one.

Speaker 36 (02:21:52):
This was the oh I'm so sorry.

Speaker 29 (02:21:57):
In the DVT commentary, the filmmakers related funny story during
the beginning of test screenings of the film. At the
end of the film, Scrooge gifts the bookkeepers, the rats
that work for him coal. The children in the audience
all wanted to know why the bookkeepers were getting coal
and what they did wrong, because Sanna was they got

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coal for Christmas, from which I thought was adorable, not
realizing that cole was a very valuable commodity back in
the day. Ralph the Dog has a very brief appearance
in this film, but he does not speak. This is
for a very specific reason. While Kermit is Jim Henson's
signature character, Ralf was Jim Henson's favorite muppet to perform with,

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and following Jim Henson's death in nineteen ninety, Rolf was
not given a speaking role for over a decade in
honor of Jim Henson. So he made a lot of appearances,
but they didn't want to give it a voice because
that was just the presence of Jim, which I thought
was a really beautiful way of doing it.

Speaker 36 (02:22:58):
Now he is speaking, but it took ten years to
do that.

Speaker 29 (02:23:01):
And yeah, so the Ghost of Christmas Pass was created
by making a special puppet puppet that could be submerged
into a tank of water with a green screen behind it,
which gave it that eerie floaty look the whole time.
And uh yeah, so those are just some kind of
fun little facts that I thought you guys would.

Speaker 2 (02:23:20):
Enjoy that too.

Speaker 36 (02:23:21):
So it's neat.

Speaker 2 (02:23:23):
So what are you gonna rate this?

Speaker 36 (02:23:26):
Ten? Sorry, Dustin, it's my favorite.

Speaker 17 (02:23:28):
It's good, But you're saying that there will never ever
be a better Christmas.

Speaker 36 (02:23:32):
Pant will never be another better Christmas another better Muppets movie.

Speaker 17 (02:23:36):
H out of a Muppets film as it is, it's
not a ten like to me, it's absolutely night and Day,
the best, the best Muppets.

Speaker 29 (02:23:42):
Film, and it's it's because it's it's a story that
everyone knows. It's a heartwarming approach, it's a family approach.
It's got humor in it for all ages, which is awesome.
One of my favorite things that I noticed the other
day that I hadn't noticed before. A Muppet was walking
by a head of lettuce was and he like picks
it up and he's like, help, I'm being kidnapped.

Speaker 5 (02:24:02):
You know.

Speaker 29 (02:24:03):
It was like just little stuff like that, things that
I'd never seen. And I know Reagan has an absolute
favorite line in this movie too.

Speaker 18 (02:24:10):
I'm not doing.

Speaker 36 (02:24:12):
Okay, what is your favorite line?

Speaker 2 (02:24:14):
What is your favorite line?

Speaker 9 (02:24:15):
Reagan?

Speaker 17 (02:24:15):
We embarrass ourselves?

Speaker 36 (02:24:16):
You have you said it all weekend on the way
to benefolds. You better say it now? Can I do too?

Speaker 15 (02:24:21):
Do it?

Speaker 9 (02:24:22):
Yeah?

Speaker 18 (02:24:22):
Everyone light the lamp, not the rat and no Jesus,
first mess.

Speaker 36 (02:24:26):
She's saying, no cheese is forest mesas.

Speaker 29 (02:24:29):
From our house to ships you wanted, it was like
a two and a half hour trive it's like no
Jesus forests.

Speaker 34 (02:24:35):
It is her favorite.

Speaker 36 (02:24:38):
And then I love the thank you for making me
a part of this when he uses Rizzo to clean
the window window. Yeah, I love that one. Frizzo is great.
So God save my broken body.

Speaker 2 (02:24:51):
Regan, Well, do you like about this movie? What you
don't like, and what are you raining it? On a
scale of one to ten.

Speaker 36 (02:24:58):
I like Rizzo.

Speaker 18 (02:24:59):
I'll say that he's one of the funniest characters. I'm
gonna say because I haven't watched all the movies.

Speaker 36 (02:25:06):
I need to, but we're getting her there.

Speaker 18 (02:25:09):
Mostly, I'm gonna say that is my favorite character out
of all of them.

Speaker 36 (02:25:13):
Pepe is you'd like Pepe.

Speaker 2 (02:25:15):
Too, man, Pepe. When Pepe is in Muppets in Space
and they have the invisible have you seen Muppets in Space? Well,
I gotta say this one because I've already started it
and I want her to know. So they go and
they're breaking into Area fifty one to save Gonzo, right,
and they get this invisibility visible spray and they spray
them and they're sneak of past security and the invisibility

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spray wears off and Pepe the Shrimp is in a
Ballerina suit ballerin and her Out. It's pretty funny.

Speaker 11 (02:25:46):
Mm hmm.

Speaker 18 (02:25:46):
I don't think there's really anything you can't like about
the movie.

Speaker 2 (02:25:50):
Oh just wait, I don't think there.

Speaker 18 (02:25:54):
Really is anything.

Speaker 36 (02:25:57):
But scale of one to ten, what would you rate it?

Speaker 18 (02:26:00):
I'd probably give it a nine, maybe an eight, play five, okay,
although it's not bad.

Speaker 8 (02:26:07):
I just.

Speaker 18 (02:26:09):
There is a lot of other Christmas movies I would
be watching, but.

Speaker 36 (02:26:12):
I do like that one. Yeah, it's a fun one.

Speaker 2 (02:26:14):
See, that's a good observation.

Speaker 17 (02:26:16):
And that's why you get, you know, once you get
past Thanksgiving, you get twenty five days of Christmas. So
you can watch this, you can watch Uncle Eddie, you
can watch Elf, you can watch which it's fun. It's
funny that you bring up Home Alone as a Christmas
movie because I remember seeing that when it came both
of the when they first came out, and it's hey,

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it makes me feel old. Yeah, but you can watch
that stuff in sequence and not watch Diehard because it's
not a Halloween. It's not a Halloween Halloween movie. It's
not a Thanksgiving movie. It's not a Christmas movie. It's
just a movie that happens to Christmas. Happen around Christmas?

Speaker 2 (02:26:54):
All right, so are you ready for me to throw
down some knowledge for you?

Speaker 37 (02:26:57):
Do it?

Speaker 2 (02:26:58):
Here's the problems I have with this movie. Oh well no,
let's let's think about it. Number one, how many how
you do you know? We cover this in when You're
here with Bond and ADZ and me? How many different
times a Christmas Carol has been remade?

Speaker 12 (02:27:12):
Oh?

Speaker 2 (02:27:12):
TV shows, movies?

Speaker 36 (02:27:14):
And I mean how many TV shows have done parodies
of it?

Speaker 2 (02:27:17):
Yeah? Absolutely, it's like sixty six?

Speaker 17 (02:27:20):
Yeah, okay, but how many are the same? Like this
one's a far enough away. It's it's it's but it's.

Speaker 2 (02:27:27):
All the same basic story it is. But the George C. Scott,
I think it is a George S. Scott georgey righty whatever.
That's a really scary one that scared me when I
was a kid, especially the ghost of Christmas future scary, and.

Speaker 29 (02:27:41):
I gotta say for a muppet, that's a solid scary
factor in this one. He's pretty creepy.

Speaker 2 (02:27:45):
Number two, How come Gonzo and Rizzo couldn't go through
the doors and everything, but Scrooge could we have the
rat going down the chimney, dancing on a burning chicken
or turkey or whatever.

Speaker 9 (02:27:57):
You know, you have that.

Speaker 2 (02:27:59):
Gonzo's happened to sneak in the door when they open
the door. And but even Scrooge can go through the doors, right,
remember when he's like.

Speaker 29 (02:28:07):
But it also depends on on the ghost the present
in the past and everything too, because you got to
remember when the ghost of Christmas past is sitting there.
Then they break the shelf and the and they say something,
and they say something and he's like reading to fix that,
you know, sameagle and everything.

Speaker 36 (02:28:25):
He didn't see him though, you know he didn't see him,
but it's so.

Speaker 2 (02:28:28):
So you're telling me tiny Timminem didn't notice any dirt
on them, like not. Yeah, My favorite scene of this
is probably when Rizzo falls into the bucket of frozen
water and Gonzo takes you over and goes it breaks
them over the thing For me, I I have seen
every Muppet thing. I had the whole entire Muppet TV

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show on DVD where they would have special guests like
David Bowie, all them people on there. When you put
all those together, this one doesn't add up the Muppet movie,
the original one where Doc Hopper is going to take
and kill Kermit the Frog for frog Legs. You have
to watch that one, Reagan and you let me know one.
And the soundtrack for that is amazing because you have

(02:29:15):
and you have the Electric Band and Doctor Teeth and
the elect whatever they are Electric Mayhem and and one
thing that I hate about this movie is I didn't
get enough Fozzy Bear in there. But you know, a character.

Speaker 36 (02:29:30):
It's a cute thing though, because they went Fazzy Bear
Fuzzy Wig. I mean they did that physic. Wig is
a small character, but he's an important character.

Speaker 2 (02:29:37):
But I would have also liked to have seen the
three ghosts of Christmas Past, Present, Future I'll be played
by muppets. You knew that, because I think sweetms could
have been a great Christmas Present because he's big. Yeah,
he would have fit that perfectly. The ghost of Christmas Past.

Speaker 36 (02:29:52):
I don't know, sweet doesn't really talk, so I mean it's.

Speaker 2 (02:29:56):
Remember when he's running.

Speaker 36 (02:29:58):
It's kind of one of those almost think that it
would have taken away because.

Speaker 2 (02:30:01):
It would have given something more to his character. It
might have.

Speaker 36 (02:30:05):
I mean, well, Sam the Eagle was a professor. I
mean he was in his character.

Speaker 29 (02:30:11):
But I think that I like the idea of the
ghost being something different because it represents different things, and
they're all like really holidayish, which is cool. So you
have a child with the childlike innocence, and then you
have the Ghost of Christmas present and he's this big,
boisterous character that comes in and he's like larger than
life in the room, and then he just withers away

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to this old creepy man. And I mean, there's no
character that you could have taken seriously to be Ghost
of Christmas past. You almost have to have that villainous
creature for it to portray the real danger of Benezer.

Speaker 2 (02:30:47):
Was in future.

Speaker 36 (02:30:49):
That's what I meant.

Speaker 29 (02:30:49):
Yeah, but I mean it's it's one of those like
you have to have that that villainous creepy vibe, and
none of the mount muppets would have been able to
portray that.

Speaker 2 (02:30:57):
Oh the Swedish chef could have geezus, I love the
Spanish stuff. I mean you even have the stupid Shakespeare
boomerang guy.

Speaker 29 (02:31:07):
I mean, it's just I think that you had to
have that particularly thing because at least said they looked
into putting other characters as this, and I think they
made the right call.

Speaker 17 (02:31:16):
Yeah, I think it kept the balance right because you
have to have kind of that extra not so muppety
feel in certain points to drive home the message.

Speaker 2 (02:31:27):
But they were still muppets, is what I'm saying. Absolutely,
they should have made a more humanoid you know what
I mean.

Speaker 29 (02:31:32):
They all had some humanoid stuff, right, But I'm just saying,
you know, that's what that's the beauty of a spirit too.

Speaker 36 (02:31:38):
It could be anything.

Speaker 2 (02:31:40):
So for me, I wouldn't say this is the best
rendition of the Christmas Carol. I like the nineteen forty seven.

Speaker 36 (02:31:47):
I do believe it is beautiful.

Speaker 2 (02:31:49):
Yeah, I absolutely love Mickey's Christmas Carol. Oh, that is
one of my all time favorites. Reagan, have you ever
seen the Mickey's Christmas Carol.

Speaker 34 (02:31:57):
I might have.

Speaker 9 (02:31:58):
You might have.

Speaker 36 (02:31:59):
We have to wreck the watch a lot of min Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 (02:32:05):
But I mean it is so good with Goofy playing Marley,
It's so fun.

Speaker 36 (02:32:10):
It's just cool.

Speaker 2 (02:32:11):
Yeah, you have to watch that one.

Speaker 18 (02:32:14):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (02:32:14):
I remember that was Christmas Carol too. So this is
probably in the top ten of Charles Dickens Christmas Carol's
maybe top five. It's probably a solid seven five or
in eight. You know, it's it's it's a good wholesome
family movie except for Beaker flipping off the people. But
but but to me, Rizzo, he never really did it

(02:32:36):
for me because he wasn't really one of the original
original muppets that had a part, you know what I mean.

Speaker 29 (02:32:42):
Like, so that kind of gave him that that opportunity
to be the silly character that you needed the kids.

Speaker 2 (02:32:51):
Could you have seen Animal with Gonzo?

Speaker 36 (02:32:53):
It wouldn't It wouldn't have made any sense. It's just
been yelling. It's just you needed something that like didn't
take away from Charles Dick.

Speaker 2 (02:33:03):
Could you see Animal as the Ghost of Christmas Future
with the hood over him.

Speaker 29 (02:33:07):
And just be like, but yeah, I mean that Gonzo
and Animal, we're supposed to be the ghost of Christmas future.

Speaker 36 (02:33:15):
And I liked that they were going with two of them.
That's kind of a neat take on it.

Speaker 2 (02:33:19):
Well, Dustin, thanks for putting this together and making us
do this. Thanks Jackie and Dustin for coming on. Reagan.
Before we leave, is there any friends you would like
to say? Hey to shout out any friends? Boyfriend? You
got a boyfriend? Oh no, oh, okay, well we will
skip that one.

Speaker 17 (02:33:38):
We'll have we have a way of finding these things out,
you've forgotten something.

Speaker 2 (02:33:43):
And this is a tough movie to do this with
your favorite prop.

Speaker 36 (02:33:48):
Beece the wax apple.

Speaker 2 (02:33:50):
She's taking the wax apple.

Speaker 17 (02:33:51):
Dustin, I'm taking the whole Gonzo puppet like yeah, because
he wants to reenact.

Speaker 2 (02:34:00):
It's just.

Speaker 17 (02:34:02):
So when you look at the puppets like animals a
close second, but it's and I'd love to have a rizzo,
but it's just too small. I mean it's when you
think of the Muppets, I don't really think of Kermit.
You think of the other characters because to me, they
stand out, you know, because I'm a goofball and you
get a character like Gonzo, you levitate towards that more

(02:34:24):
than you do, you know, Miss Piggy and and Kermit.
So I'm an under underdog person too. I'm always gonna
go with the the underdog on things. And like I said,
you you were Vanilla Jimbo. When you play Mario Party,
you're playing with Mario, aren't you. You're not playing with Warrio,
you're not playing with Princess Peach. You're playing with Mario.

Speaker 2 (02:34:43):
Hey, there you go. I'm not a big Mario fan.
I'm just saying, if you did that's okay. I don't
play Mario.

Speaker 9 (02:34:48):
I don't know what that is.

Speaker 17 (02:34:49):
If you did, you would you'd play Mario all the
time because he's better than Luigi. All right, Reagan, what
prop piece would you take?

Speaker 9 (02:34:59):
Oh?

Speaker 2 (02:34:59):
You should just to the cane. That would have been
sadder more if me, I am taking the change from
Statler and warn Yeah, there's all.

Speaker 36 (02:35:09):
Kinds of even the treasure boxes thing.

Speaker 17 (02:35:11):
We're Barley and morely.

Speaker 2 (02:35:13):
All right, Destin, we're gonna wrap this down. I think
this episode's coming to a closing. That's wrap and cut.

Speaker 5 (02:35:26):
The Tragedy of Cinema whim Then Marie Shima Joy said,
we toast to the tails we.

Speaker 6 (02:35:34):
Love the most.

Speaker 20 (02:35:39):
Upset Manilla Joy says, we toast to the tails we
love the most, love the most.

Speaker 4 (02:36:22):
The tragedy of cinema, shimmer Joy. If we tost to
details we love the most, to details we love the most, tragedy.

Speaker 6 (02:36:36):
I say the when them, Marie shimmer Joy, I send
me toos to the tales we love the most, to
the tails we love the most, to the tails we
love the most.

Speaker 17 (02:36:59):
Until next time, me and Jackie take care of this
podcast and we talk about.

Speaker 12 (02:37:03):
God bless us everyone.

Speaker 23 (02:37:13):
Christmas Day. I slowly begin to wake up. The room
is still dim, but the lights on the tree are
still on, casting a gentle glow. That's when I saw
something on the floor beside the tree. It's a small,
perfectly wrapped present. It was new and vibrant with a
simple red ribbon, and tied to the ribbon is a

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small wooden reindeer ornament. It's old, worn, smooth, and very familiar.
It was my little brother Timmy's absolute favorite toy, lost
in the accident.

Speaker 34 (02:37:53):
Demmy.

Speaker 23 (02:37:55):
I looked around the room, but there's no sign of anyone.
I slowly begin to open the present. Inside is a beautiful,
brand new set of art supplies, sketch books, colorful pens, paints,

(02:38:17):
exactly what I had secretly wished for but never told anyone.
I pulled out a sketchbook. On the first page, an elegant,
looping script is a note, Dear Lily, I.

Speaker 25 (02:38:32):
Knew you'd find your spark.

Speaker 17 (02:38:34):
Keep it bright.

Speaker 25 (02:38:36):
Remember, belief isn't just seeing, it's feeling, and giving is
always receiving. PS keep practicing your kindness. You're very good
at it. With much fondness, Arthur.

Speaker 24 (02:38:54):
Arthur, But how.

Speaker 23 (02:38:59):
It was at that time I heard something that changed
me forever.

Speaker 25 (02:39:07):
Marry Christmas, Lily, Santa.

Speaker 23 (02:39:15):
I didn't just find my spark, he helped me find
my light again, and I understood Christmas isn't about what's gone,
It's about what's still here. Hope, kindness, and the magic
you choose to believe in.

Speaker 34 (02:39:36):
Is Missus Henderson your neighbor.

Speaker 35 (02:39:43):
Marry Christmas, sweet one, I thought you might brave some
of my shortbread this year. Merry Christmas, Missus Henderson?

Speaker 24 (02:39:52):
Can I please?

Speaker 8 (02:39:54):
Of course?

Speaker 28 (02:39:55):
May I come in?

Speaker 24 (02:39:57):
Yes, ma'am?

Speaker 4 (02:39:59):
Is your mom here?

Speaker 7 (02:40:01):
Honey?

Speaker 23 (02:40:02):
Who's at the Missus Henderson?

Speaker 34 (02:40:06):
Well, my goodness, someone's found their Christmas spirit.

Speaker 23 (02:40:12):
Yes, I think I have, and I have a feeling
it's going to be a very good Christmas too. Thank
you Arthur, No, thank you Santa. So you see, that's
how an old man and an old woman saved me

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when I was in my darkest time. Do I believe
in Santa? You bet I do. But I also learned this.
The challenges we face are real. The darkness can be daunting,
but the power of love and kindness is a force
that can and will break through. It will heal wounds,

(02:40:57):
It will mend divisions, and it will bring us closer
to the world. We all yearn for a world illuminated
by the warmth of human connection, a world truly bathed
in the light. So today I encourage you to carry
that light with you, share it, nurture it, be a

(02:41:22):
beacon of love and kindness in your own corner of
the world, because together, one act at a time, we
can and we will break through the darkness. May you
all have a great Christmas. God bless.

Speaker 26 (02:41:43):
This is The Evil Never Dies Podcast with Breton Kahle.
This podcast may contain adult themes, violence, and strong language.
Listener discretion is advised.

Speaker 30 (02:42:48):
Twas the night before Christmas went all through the house,
not a creature was stirring, not even a mouse. The
stockings were hung while the chimney with care in hopes
that Saint Nicholas soon would be there. You've made it

(02:43:51):
through Halloween. Now try and survive Christmas. Silent night, deadly night.

Speaker 9 (02:44:05):
Hey everybody, I'm Brett and I'm here with my co
host Carl and we're the hosts of the Evil Never
Dies Podcast and we are submitting our pick for Jimbo's
Christmas Special for the tragedy of set them a podcast.
What's going on, Carl?

Speaker 12 (02:44:26):
Hey, just Merry Christmas, the Jimbo and the Gang.

Speaker 9 (02:44:30):
Merry Christmas, everybody, thanks for listening to us to idiots,
and tonight we are going to be reviewing a horror
Christmas movie. Actually it's a Christmas slasher film and that

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movie is Silent Night, Deadly Night from nineteen eighty four.
Were Did you see this when it first came out?

Speaker 15 (02:45:04):
Carl?

Speaker 12 (02:45:05):
No, I did not.

Speaker 9 (02:45:08):
Eight four No.

Speaker 12 (02:45:10):
When was it art in the video store? Whenever it
came out? I guess I don't know.

Speaker 10 (02:45:14):
Maybe eighty five eighty six is when I first saw
it at the video store.

Speaker 9 (02:45:19):
Okay, gotcha. I didn't see it at the theater either,
so I probably which probably because it was in November
when it came out, I think.

Speaker 11 (02:45:32):
So.

Speaker 9 (02:45:33):
Yeah, Uh, because I went to a lot of drive
ins back in the day. Back then, so well, drive
ins might have been open to November. They used to
give you them little heaters, remember, I don't know it
don't get cold or.

Speaker 12 (02:45:46):
Went the drive ins?

Speaker 10 (02:45:47):
You remember that, Brett, Especially in nineteen eighty four, I
was going to the mall to watch movies.

Speaker 9 (02:45:54):
Going to the mall, all right, this movie is directed
by Charles E. Sellier Jr.

Speaker 10 (02:46:03):
Which is weird because this guy did a lot of
documentaries and stuff. I don't know where he came up
to the one to do a Santa Claus slasher movie.
Did some really good documentaries in his day, too, gotcha.

Speaker 9 (02:46:18):
Screenplay is by Michael Hickey, Story by Paul Camey, Produced
by Ira Richard Barnet Barmick, Scott, Jay Schneid, and Dennis Whitehead.
Cinematography by Hitting sheller Up, edited by Michael Spence, Music

(02:46:47):
by Perry Botkin. What do you think of the score
on this?

Speaker 12 (02:46:54):
Not impressed at all? Honestly, not impressed at all.

Speaker 9 (02:46:58):
Oh god, one bit? All right, I didn't think it
was that bad. Actually, I think it fit the movie.

Speaker 10 (02:47:05):
It's unmemorable, and yeah, so I call it unmemorable. So
if I don't remember it, it's not impressive to me.

Speaker 9 (02:47:15):
All right, let's see here. Production company sleigh Ride Productions, Incorporated.
Distributed by TriStar Pictures. It was released on November ninth,
nineteen eighty four, right before the holiday season. Has a
running time of eighty two minutes for the theatrical version

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and eighty five minutes for the unrated version. Country of
origin in the United States English Language, had a budget
of seven hundred and fifty thousand dollars, and it made
two point five million dollars at the box office in
just ten days. And we'll get into that a little

(02:48:02):
bit later, all right, Carl, let's hear the plot for
this movie.

Speaker 10 (02:48:10):
Well, it starts out this family's visiting their granddaddy or
uncle or somebody who's supposedly in a coma or catatonic
or whatever, and he wakes up and tells the kid
that Santa Claus was gonna it was gonna get him,
gonna hurt him or kill him, or something to that effect.

Speaker 12 (02:48:28):
I don't know. So as they're driving home, guess what happens.

Speaker 10 (02:48:33):
Some god dressed like Santa Claus attacks them, shoots the daddy,
and tries to rape the mother. So I think this
guy and his kid and his brother end up later
and something happens with Santa Claus just mysteriously. So we
finally get to the point where he's I guess eighteen
nineteen working in a department store and he witnesses another

(02:48:59):
I think Santa Claus suit trying to hurt somebody, so
they throw him the suit and said, you're gonna be
Santa Claus.

Speaker 12 (02:49:06):
You know what to do, don't you.

Speaker 10 (02:49:08):
Yeah, he knows what to do, and there you go,
all these magic misfortunes turns his god into a Santa
Claus killer. Yeah, that's my plot of it. Do you
have anything to add or disad that I got wrong?

Speaker 9 (02:49:27):
Bubba, Well, he was in the they went through when
he was a kid. After the parents were killed. He
was in an orphanage with the nuns. They didn't they
didn't treat him too well either.

Speaker 10 (02:49:39):
Yeah, after the parents were Yeah, what happened to the
baby in the car? I have not I think he's
in part two? Actually, oh yeah, I believe so, I.

Speaker 9 (02:49:51):
Don't think i've seen it, so I don't know. All right,
let's go over the cast here. First off, we got
Robert Brian Wilson as Billy Chapman at age eighteen. Danny
Wagner played eight year old Billy.

Speaker 1 (02:50:10):
So I was right.

Speaker 10 (02:50:11):
He was eighteen when he became the Santa Claus killer.
That's pretty remarkable that I remember that from all these years.
Because I haven't done any research on this movie, I
have to be totally honest.

Speaker 9 (02:50:21):
And you didn't go to YouTube and watch it.

Speaker 12 (02:50:23):
We'll get into that later too.

Speaker 9 (02:50:26):
Jonathan Best is five year old Billy, Alex Burton as Richard,
Ricky Chapman, Max Broadhead as four year old Ricky, Melissa
Best as Jonathan, Jonathan's real life sister as infant Ricky Chapman,

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Lilyan Shavin as Mother Superior, Gilmer McCormick as Sister Margaret
Tony Neiro, Pamela brit Leach as mister Simms, Nancy bort
Borganite Borganite as Miss Helen Randall, Leneah Quigley as Denise

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will Hare as Grandpa Chapman, Terah Buckman as Ellie Chapman,
Jeff Hansen as Jim Chapman. Charles Dierkop is Killer Sanna,
the criminal that killed the parents off, Don Shanks as

(02:51:40):
Santa climbing in the window I know him. And Judith
Roberts as Mother Superior uncredited. And that is the cast
of Silent Night, Deadly Knight. All right here, let's see

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what do we got. Did this thing win any awards?
I don't think so.

Speaker 12 (02:52:08):
Maybe one of the Razzie what do they call those awards?

Speaker 9 (02:52:13):
The Razzies?

Speaker 12 (02:52:14):
Yeah, for sucond.

Speaker 9 (02:52:18):
Let's see here. This film was released by TriStar Pictures,
opening in three hundred and ninety eight theaters in the
Midwest of the United States. In November twenty thirteen, is
announced that Fangoria and association with Brainstorm Media and screen
Vision would be releasing the film in theaters in the

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United States throughout December twenty thirteen. So they released it
back into theaters.

Speaker 12 (02:52:45):
Huh, yeah, I remember that.

Speaker 9 (02:52:48):
I don't might have went and seen it if I
would have knew. Oh, let's see here. You don't have
the Blu Raver or DVD of this, No, no, I had.

Speaker 10 (02:53:07):
I never own this on anything that was a hard no,
A hard no. I have never own this on anything.
I used to rent it from the b Star Video.

Speaker 12 (02:53:17):
And I think, I don't know, I've watched I know what.
I think.

Speaker 10 (02:53:21):
I actually did buy it, and it was one of
the kids when they got older. It might have been
MICHAELA could have been Madison wanted to watch this stupid
thing and we bought it cheap at Movie Trading Company.
Watched about part of it. They didn't like it. I
took it back the next day and got my money back.
So no, I don't own it. It is free on YouTube.

(02:53:44):
That's right, free on YouTube, unmonetized. So I don't know
who the freak owns this movie, but it's free on YouTube.
It's not on streaming anywhere that I can find, so
I don't know either who owns the distribution rides. But
if you want to watch this thing, it's on YouTube.
Three no commercial interruptions.

Speaker 9 (02:54:04):
Yep, that's how I watched it. Yeah, because you searched
and found it on there. I wouldn't have known. Oh,
let's see here. Opening weekend, this film finished eighth, grossing

(02:54:26):
one million, four hundred and thirty two dollars. It outgrossed
Wes Craven's landmark slasher A Nightmare on Elm Street, which
opened the same day, but it only was only in
It was in two hundred and thirty five fewer theaters, though,
so before being pulled from theaters ten days later, it

(02:54:51):
grows two point four million. So, uh, and you probably
know why it got pulled, don't you, Carl.

Speaker 12 (02:55:02):
I guess because it's a Santa Claus killer. I don't know.

Speaker 9 (02:55:05):
Yes, people protested big time.

Speaker 12 (02:55:08):
Now, it was the eighties. They protested everything because they
were stupid back then. When it comes to movies. Now
you can watch stuff on regular TV that's fifty times worse.

Speaker 9 (02:55:23):
So I guess we'll get into trivia and I'll talk
a little bit of more about that. The release of
this film was picketed by anger parents. We're not happy
to see Santa Claus depicted as an axe murderer, despite
the fact that Tales from the Crip from nineteen seventy
two had done the exact same thing twelve years earlier,
and the movie Christmas Evil from nineteen eighty had done

(02:55:44):
the exact same thing four years earlier. As a result,
box office receipts plummeted once the film was pulled from
theaters after barely two weeks. The film was then shoved
for another year before it was released on VHS uncut,
which has since gone out of print. So you can't
get it on VHS anymore.

Speaker 12 (02:56:07):
You can't get anything on VHS anymore. That's sort of
a noxymoron.

Speaker 9 (02:56:14):
This film was known as Sleigh Ride throughout its production.
TriStar decided to change the title The Silent Night, Deadly
Night at the last minute. They did some crazy stuff
back then, TriStar changing names around and stuff. There's a
couple other movies we've done where they've done that. Let's

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see here. The group formed to protect the film and
lobby for it to be removed from theaters was called
Citizens Against Movie Madness.

Speaker 10 (02:56:50):
But you know what, I don't normally agree with that,
but for this particular movie, I'm with movie madness people.

Speaker 12 (02:56:57):
I totally agree with them.

Speaker 9 (02:57:03):
Had the movie stayed in theaters longer, Try Star Pictures
estimated it would have earned well over twenty million dollars.
I don't see that happening. Many of the kill scenes
were directed by editor Michael Spence due to director Charles E.

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Sellier Junior being uncomfortable with handling the gore heavy parts of.

Speaker 12 (02:57:28):
The film because he was a documentary director. Probably I
don't know why he wanted to make this thing. I
never did understand that.

Speaker 10 (02:57:38):
I guess he thought he was going to get rich
off of it. I mean, you know, we all do
weird things for money sometimes.

Speaker 9 (02:57:45):
Yep. Maybe they couldn't find anybody else to do it,
don't know. Six minutes of footage was edited out of
the film out of fear of a potential potential X rating,
reducing the running time from eighty five minute. It's to
seventy nine minutes. The cut scenes included a few extra
character beats and some more gory shots. For the Blu

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Ray release of the film, a search was conducted for
the missing footage to prepare an uncut version of the film,
and even though the footage was discovered in a TriStar
Pictures vault, it had been kept in such poor condition
that any restoration would be impossible. If watching the Blu Ray,
one can see the notice will drop in quality between

(02:58:29):
the standard definition inserts and the original theatrical footage. Well
that's another one of them crappy Blu rays that they
put out.

Speaker 21 (02:58:39):
Yeah.

Speaker 9 (02:58:42):
Since the film's re release in the spring of nineteen
eighty five, almost all advertising for the film only excluding
the Fangoria film's release in twenty thirteen and cover art
for all US video releases, has been focused on the
controversy it created. In nineteen eighty four. Mickey Rooney, one

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of the vocal detractors of the film in nineteen eighty four,
surprised people when he starred in Silent Night, Deadly Night five,
The Toy Maker in nineteen ninety one. How many of
these are there?

Speaker 12 (02:59:20):
Don't know and don't care?

Speaker 9 (02:59:25):
Leading some to call him a hypocrite.

Speaker 12 (02:59:28):
He is a hypocrite. I agree with him.

Speaker 9 (02:59:31):
It has been theorized that the film was shot under
the title The Toymaker, and the name of Silent Knight
Deadly Knight was added in prost production.

Speaker 12 (02:59:39):
I think I remember that, and that's probably true.

Speaker 10 (02:59:43):
Because some idiot thought that using the Silent Knight Deadly
not name was still worth money and everyone's worth bundy
to begin with.

Speaker 9 (02:59:50):
And that if Rooney knew that the film was a
Silent Night Deadly Knight sequel before shooting began, he would
have appeared. He wouldn't have appeared in the film, considering
his feelings towards the original film, he was never less
willing to play a killer addressed in a Santa suit.

Speaker 21 (03:00:08):
Yeah.

Speaker 9 (03:00:13):
The film's controversy led to Charles Cellier having difficulty finding
more work as a director, for Sam to retire from
filmmaking and focus on producing instead. I don't see why
that would happen. That would happen anything, because this movie's terrible.

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When asked during a twenty fifteen interview about the protests
surrounding the film when it came out, Lenia Quigley said,
oh my God. I was shocked when my manager called
me in Mexico, where she was filming another movie, and
said that. I was like, are you kidding me? I
mean to me, that was just another horror film. I

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couldn't understand it at all. Some short shorts onto this movie,
for sure, almost too short. Graphic designer Bert Kleeger created
the infamous poster art of Santa going down the chimney

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with an axe. Phil Donahue dedicated an entire hour of
his TV show to the controversy surrounding this film. That's funny,
Phil Donahue. Let's see. Composer Perry Botkin Jr. Improvised most

(03:01:43):
of the score while watching a work print copy of
the film on Beta Max. Afterward, he'd replayed the tape
with his work and add more layers and melody to
polish it off. So he cheated, cheated on the score.
Let's see here the axe that gets embedded in the

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wall Lena Quigley is leaning against was real?

Speaker 12 (03:02:11):
Okay.

Speaker 9 (03:02:15):
Much of this film was filmed in Hebrew City, Utah.
The city has changed a lot since then, but the
toy store is still there. Has been a dance studio,
a hardware store, and is now a gym. I guess
it was vacant when they filmed this there and they
rented it out to make it a toy store. This

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film was planned for a limited release, but to open
but to open wider by Christmas. But protests, like we said,
resulted in the film being pulled all together. Let's see
here as the film's TV ads were pulled off the
networks because of the trailer showing Santa Carrian Axe, which

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practically depicted him as a mass murderer. This motivated parents
to protest, lots of protest. They hated this film like Carl.

Speaker 12 (03:03:11):
Because this is a dumb piece of junk movie.

Speaker 10 (03:03:14):
That's all there is to it. It's just it's terribly made.
The storyline is stupid, the acting is terrible. There is
nothing good about this movie, and there never has been.
And I've had the same opinion since I first saw
it in the eighties and I continue to have it
to this day. Actually, the sequel, Part two is a
better film than this one. I have seen the sequel,

(03:03:38):
at least part two. I might have seen part three,
but after that I lost interest. But this is a bad,
bad movie. The guy should have stuck to direct in documentaries.
So I agree with all these people. It's not It's
almost a parody of something.

Speaker 12 (03:03:56):
A terrible filmmaking. That's all there is to it.

Speaker 9 (03:04:00):
Brett.

Speaker 12 (03:04:01):
This is not a good film, right about it works?

Speaker 9 (03:04:05):
So what are you rating it?

Speaker 23 (03:04:06):
Then?

Speaker 12 (03:04:06):
I'll give it a one. And I don't even know
why I give it that high.

Speaker 10 (03:04:10):
Okay, I just don't like I said, this is a
movie that and I even wanted to try to rewatch it,
but I said one of the kids wanted to see it,
and they got through a little bit. Now I don't
want to watch this anymore. So we took it back
and sold it, or not sold it. We got our
money back because movie Trading Company will give you like
a forty eight hour grace period, which.

Speaker 9 (03:04:32):
They still do by the way.

Speaker 10 (03:04:34):
Gotcha, now this movie, this is a terrible movie. I
don't even know why you picked that for this episode, Brett.
We should have done Crumpus too, like you originally said
Trumpus two.

Speaker 9 (03:04:45):
Maybe we'll do Crumpus to next year.

Speaker 12 (03:04:48):
I'm not doing any more Christmas movies after this.

Speaker 9 (03:04:50):
You've ruined it for me.

Speaker 12 (03:04:53):
Sorry, Jim Bow ruined Christmas.

Speaker 9 (03:04:55):
For most of mar Stupid though most of the Christmas
horror ones are stupid.

Speaker 12 (03:05:00):
Well, Brett's ruined Christmas for me?

Speaker 9 (03:05:02):
Now, all right, well, I don't I'm not gonna do
it as bad as you. I didn't think it was
that bad. It's your bad movie.

Speaker 10 (03:05:13):
And it's not because it's gory or it's not because
it's violent. It's because it's just a dumb movie. It's
a dumb concept and a terrible story and bad acting.

Speaker 12 (03:05:25):
Nothing good about it. Brett, save it if you can try.

Speaker 9 (03:05:30):
I don't think I can save it. After that, I
can't even follow that, right. Uh, you know, even the
special effects were sort of stupid, and they were they
were just we could have probably did better.

Speaker 10 (03:05:48):
Well, I mean, obviously there's a reason why this director's
career was ruined after he'd made this movie.

Speaker 12 (03:05:54):
That's not a coincidence.

Speaker 9 (03:05:56):
Yeah, I can see that too.

Speaker 12 (03:05:57):
Now I'm just being on it.

Speaker 10 (03:05:59):
I mean that I've had many horror movies that have
I seen a bunch, and this one's just not not
a good movie.

Speaker 9 (03:06:07):
All right, Well, I'm gonna give it a two. I
don't know why. That's as high as I can give it.
I'm gonna be I'm just being a little nice. I guess,
because I don't know. I watched it last night. I
don't know it had. It had its ups and downs,
plenty of downs, more more downs probably right, any of downs.

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It definitely don't hold up.

Speaker 12 (03:06:33):
So now it's a terrible movie. It was terrible in
the eighties, it's terrible now. That's why it's free on YouTube, unmonetized.

Speaker 10 (03:06:42):
I haven't found a movie yet that was actually a
release in the theaters that's free on YouTube unless it's
just flat and public domain, and this isn't, I don't think,
because it's actually out on a fairly new Blu Ray release.

Speaker 9 (03:06:54):
So I don't know. Man, got you.

Speaker 12 (03:06:58):
I have no more to say about.

Speaker 9 (03:06:59):
It, all right, Christmas?

Speaker 12 (03:07:01):
And that's all we got for Silent People don't watch
it equals better. The sequel is actually not a bad movie.
I don't know who made that. Maybe we'll look at
that one next year.

Speaker 10 (03:07:13):
Maybe we'll see I think it's that baby that disappeared
in the sequel.

Speaker 9 (03:07:17):
I don't know, all right, everybody, I guess that's all
we got for Silent Night, Deadly Night. If you like
what you hear, hopefully you can check us out on
all the podcast platforms, and we are on YouTube if
you want to.

Speaker 12 (03:07:37):
I rarely live Now is on YouTube if you're wondering.

Speaker 9 (03:07:40):
Yeah, we're mostly on YouTube, but we still put the
audio version out for everybody so that don't want to
look at us. So we're on all the social media's.
Check us out, and uh, Merry Christmas everybody, and stay
evil

Speaker 35 (03:08:25):
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