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September 3, 2025 105 mins
Kohberger’s “Mom Text” & Donna’s Grand Piano: How Loyalty Turns Criminal

Today’s full Hidden Killers Live digs into two explosive storylines and a deep psychological dive that ties them together. First, we unpack a new detail in the Bryan Kohberger case: the night-after exchange with his mother, including a link she sent describing the victim’s bruises and fight back. Was it innocent true-crime chatter between a mom and her criminology-student son—or something far more unsettling in hindsight? We connect that moment to Kohberger’s narrow fixations, the “coffee shop girl,” and his Jekyll/Hyde letters to Washington State University—groveling in one breath, arrogant and contemptuous toward a female professor in the next.
Then we pivot to Donna Adelson and the trial reality closing in. We break down the jailhouse witness who says Donna scripted her testimony word-for-word, promised packages and phone time, even floated $10,000, veneers, and a grand piano—with Harvey allegedly wired in via Zelle/Signal. We weigh how much of that is Donna’s mouth versus a real logistics web, and whether character-witness “coffee friends” help or hurt her in front of a jury.

Hour two zooms out to the system beneath the headlines: enmeshed families. Psychotherapist and author Shavaun Scott joins Tony, Stacy, and Todd to map the continuum (disengaged → balanced → enmeshed), cultural norms around close-knit loyalty, and how a narcissistic parent converts “love” into control. We get granular on roles (golden child, scapegoat), why kids learn not to push back, how “mom in your head” can sabotage adult relationships and marriages, and why some adult children feel literal relief when a controlling parent dies. We also confront the hard question: how does enmeshment escalate from everyday manipulation to high-stakes loyalty—the kind that risks careers, freedom, and, in the Adelson world, alleged cover-ups?

If you’re following the Kohberger case, the Adelson trial, or you’ve lived inside a family where loyalty and control got tangled, this is two hours of context, questions, and candid conversation. Drop your take in the comments—what crossed the line for you today?

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