June 22, 2025 • 30 mins
On this episode I chat with Tara Rice and Skodt McNalty who together are 5th Projekt. we chat about their travels, the latest track THE WRONG WAY and the trilogy of EP's: The WOLF, THE OWL and the BEE.
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Well, what we have here today. Is.
The last episode in the music series for the next couple of
months. As for those listening already
know, I am taking a break somewhat for the summer because
you can only do so many episodesa year and I think I'm just
going to take a break for a few weeks.
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That being said, finishing off the next little bit of fantastic
note with a great episode today,I must say fantastic music.
And before we get to all that remembering, this is the last
episode of the next few months of music.
Check out the Spotify. Playlist where all the music is
LinkedIn the description of the show.
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Helps me. Grow helps these artists.
Grow, We want to spread a good music around the world to 126
countries already that have listened to this show.
That's what the main goal is andI appreciate everybody
listening, I really do. It's been a fantastic ride so
far this first half of the year.So many more things that will be
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soon another like I said, fantastic artists coming U and
hit that subscribe button. And Toronto being one of my
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favorite cities to find amazing independent music that I'd like
to share around the world with the entire listening audience.
I'm delighted to have fifth project here today.
Tara and Scott, how are you? Great.
Thank you. Good.
Thanks. I'm excited because my my
playlist has a lot of a lot of different genres of music and
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adding fifth project to it will just kick it up an extra notch
because the what I've been listening to since you guys sent
me your music and I've been ableto do sort of research that I
like try to do on this show. I'm I'm excited.
I really am. It's just adding more great
variety to break apart everything else in the music
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industry these days, and this iskind of the goal of 2025 for me,
so I'm excited. Thank.
You cool thanks. So let's talk about you guys.
Let's get a little background because you've put a lot of
music so far and here we are today.
So walk me through the beginningstages of 5th project.
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Well, I guess, um, we met through an ad.
I auditioned for their existing band or three piece.
I auditioned to be their singer.And how long were you guys
together before that? Six months or.
So yeah, we were auditioning forsix months for we're looking
specifically for a female vocalist and we auditioned a
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bunch of people and the second Iheard Terrors music, it was
like, whoa, this is so, so different and so unique and such
a a a wonderful voice. And just the way that she writes
was very similar to the way I write and I I write a little
outside of the box. So as does she.
So it was weird. We happen to be hanging outside
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of the box together, it seems. So the second I heard her stuff,
I was like, OK, I think we foundwho we're looking for, but we
did the formality of bringing her out for everybody to hear.
And that was on my birthday. And that was like a, that was a
pretty decent present. Yeah, from there I guess we
started demoing songs that we had each written and playing
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shows and. What?
Yeah, we released our first album pretty quickly in 2006
with Circadian, then Terran. I got busy in a couple of other
bands. There was a Los Angeles Digital
Noise Academy out of LA and there was one out of Night
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Flowers at a Toronto that we were playing in.
So we stopped doing 5th project for a couple years while we were
doing those other things. And then we released our second
album called V in 2011 with a different rhythm section.
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We were playing with two different people because we kind
of put the band aside to do those other musical projects for
a year. And then after that we released
an EP in 2013 called Gamma Wave Rhythm and Tara went to school
for a few years and we had an EPready to release called The
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Labyrinth. But then the world went sideways
and so we released the Labyrinthand another EP of covers called
Emergency both in 2022. And then in 2023 we released the
EP The Wolf, which is the first in a trilogy inspired by our
time in the community, Santiago in Spain.
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Like a a classic, like thousandsyear old pilgrimage, like
walking meditation kind of thing.
So it's pretty cool and that's where we are right now.
We're just, we just finished mastering the owl, which is the
second part of like there's the wolf, the owl and the bee, all
inspired by the Camino. And so we just finished
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mastering the OWL last week, so we're getting ready to release
that later this year. We'll start probably releasing
singles from that. Yeah, I think that brings up
today. Yeah, you just.
Started on something that I loveto get into, like inspiration
behind music. And you just mentioned you went
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to Spain and sort of a pilgrimage to come up with the
wolf. Now, how do you come up with
ideas that these are some of thethings you need to do or does it
come naturally of how do you find that way to get inspired?
It doesn't take any effort, I don't think.
I think it's just the the inspiration I have found comes
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to me a lot and kind of knocks on my door and stops me in my
tracks. I think I kind of know when, I
think when we did the the Camino, we knew like this is a
music pilgrimage as well, and itwas kind of hard not to be
inspired. I think every day it's kind of
hard not to be inspired. So that's why I think it's
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something that comes more to me than I have to go looking for.
Yeah, yeah, I would agree. I think there's almost not
enough time in a day to act in all the inspiration that's
presented to me and all the things I want to see that sends
my, you know, the music pointingoff into the imaginal thing.
Look what we could do if we wentthis way, Scott.
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I'm like, oh, that looks so fun.I don't have that much time.
And that happens. There's like half a dozen things
every day that I see that I would love to have the time to
pursue. So I like that because that kind
of explains why you guys have somany upcoming projects already
lined up with so much stuff coming your way.
That's that's really cool. I really definitely appreciate
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that. Now the song that we have on the
show called The Wrong Way. Walk me through this one.
OK. Is there there's a pun in that
right? Walk me through.
Yeah, right. Ah yeah, try.
This is not the most clever showin the world, but you know,
throw it out there once in a while.
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OK, so and we started this one. Well, it's it's we write songs
that are usually pretty conceptually deep, multiple
layers of meaning and symbolism and all that stuff.
And this one, there may be layers that we haven't figured
out yet, but it's pretty simple.We went the wrong way.
Like purely literal. Yeah, it's very literal.
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Like we were warned. This was on the second day of
the Camino and the first day we're trying to pick our jaws up
off of the ground of the beauty of hiking through the purities.
It's just like I don't even I can't even begin to explain it.
Photos don't even do a very goodjob.
Like being when you're hiking up, hiking up into the mountains
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and you're hiking through the clouds and above the clouds and
looking out over. And then you see the sun rising
up over the clouds and you're kind of on this mountain peak
and you see these other mountainpeaks poking out from above the
clouds over Yonder. It's just like it's, I don't
even know how to explain it, that that was a bad, a bad
attempt. But we were kind of just like
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amazed at the whole thing. We had maps that we were given.
We were warned like, don't go this way.
They showed us on the map, This is the place where you don't
want to go. Very dangerous.
It was like red marker all over it.
Don't go this way. XXX and.
Like. OK.
Yeah. And and so they're like, instead
take this other way, you won't get hurt.
It's it takes a couple hours or something like that to go this
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roundabout route. But like the Camino, there
aren't like the people doing it are usually retired people or,
you know, like it's we. I think we were the, we, we saw
another couple that was maybe our age or something like that.
But it's like they're taking everybody's like health into
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account when they, when they move the, because the way we
went the wrong way is actually the old way.
And you don't do that anymore because it's way too dangerous.
Like we're lucky we survived. And so the song is, is literally
about our misadventures. Like on day 2 where we walked by
everybody we left last. Like every in the, in the
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Camino, it starts at like everybody gets up at 4:00 in the
morning and you're fighting for showers and like, you know,
coffee and whatever and packing your bags and you're out there
because you need to get to thesehostels in the next place, like
2025 kilometers away. And if you don't get a bed, then
you have to like, you have to hike farther to find the next,
next hostel or your, you know, maybe if you've got like lots of
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money, I guess you could go if there's, if you're in a city,
you could go to a hotel or something like that.
But like the idea of a, a pilgrimage is like it's, you're
just sleeping in bunk beds. It's like summer camp is would
be like a luxury version. It's just like, you know, like
30 bunk beds in a giant cinder block room.
Yep, bare bones, you know, and it's just a place for you to
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rest your weary bones and then you're up and at them and you're
out of there and that's it. And so we don't really deal well
with like a lot of crowds and people jockeying for this, that
and whatever. So we just kind of.
Slept in and let them leave. So we got quite a later and we
get our coffee, we get our breakfast and kind of Mosey and
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and so I I don't know, we started off and then we saw a
big crowd of like pilgrims, I guess, right, sitting and having
their picnic lunch and we're walking by them.
We all wave at them. We look at the signs.
It's like, yeah, we go this way and then cut to us going
basically straight down like it's I I didn't.
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We didn't really see anybody except a few bikers that were
looking at us like we were insane.
Like bikers, they were like theywere extreme bikers.
They had like the helmets and the pads and the and the souped
up off roaders. Like it was crazy.
And they're looking at us like you guys are nuts.
Like what are you doing? So I think we almost broke our
legs just with backpacks on and walking straight down these.
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Hills. It wasn't really walking.
We were trying. We were.
Basically tagging so that we wouldn't tumble forward I.
Guess yeah, it was. Yeah, we are lucky.
We're really lucky because our backpacks were like 15 or 20 lbs
just so that's adding the weightpushing you ill.
So we tried to like basically when we got to the bottom, this
was the the best part is we got to the bottom and we're like,
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wow, that's crazy. And reflecting on like, how are
senior citizens supposed to get like navigate that?
They must have to like, I don't know, slide down on their butts.
Like this is crazy. Like I would never, never send
anyone down that route if, if itwere up to me.
And we come out to Roncesvalles at the I think I guess that's
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still in the Pyrenees somewhere.But like, we've gone over a
mountain and down, down a bit and we just spent like 10 or 15
minutes, I think that maybe evenlonger than that.
It felt like forever. Our legs were killing us.
They're just burning. If you've ever done any serious
physical exercise where you justexert yourself beyond what your
body's really comfortable with and there's just lactic acid
burn and just like the shredded muscles and everything.
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And so we were like, kind of like happy to arrive at the next
place to throw our backpacks offand have a shower or something
like that. We see this one dude, and we
called them Hamburg because he always had like, you know, I
guess he was from Hamburg, Germany.
And he always had these very like, hey, I'm from Hamburg.
Sure, it's on. And so he's like, he's like, why
are you coming from that direction?
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And we're like, what do you meanwith this?
He's like, well, we came in fromover here and he's like, you
guys are like the second people to to show up as like, what do
you mean? So he's like, I don't understand
why you came from that One Direction.
So we're kind of confused. And then we saw everybody else
slowly, like hours later, they started coming from this other
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way. And we're like, what?
And that's when we realized we're looking at the map and
we're like, Oh my God, we went the wrong way.
Like we like those stupid of us.Like how did we we missed that?
We were told we and we saw the signs are the only thing I could
think of is maybe when we passedthat group eating lunch,
somebody was standing in front of the sign that was like,
really don't go this way. Like, I don't know.
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I don't know how we ended up there, but nobody else went that
way. But it wasn't surprising.
No, not with us. No, we're we're off the beaten
path. It's like, let's have an
adventure here. Yeah, yeah.
So give us a nice story and we're lucky we didn't twist an
ankle or anything because that ended our hike pretty quickly.
And I, I think like the only thing that we try to do is in
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the, in the music conceptually is just make the song sound as
frantic as possible to try and like the drum beats very
unconventional. And, and the rest of the music,
the orchestration is very unconventional.
It's kind of almost like every step is going the wrong way, but
making it work like just the waywe're going down a hill out of
control. And that's kind of what we tried
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to try to like bring across in the in the music in kind of like
a fun way. So it's a fast, upbeat song for
that for that specific reason, but otherwise there's no there's
no real meaning to it. Thing, yeah, most of the concept
and that one is just through themusic more so than the lyrics,
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yeah, pretty literal. Yeah, yeah.
No, I like that. That's a that's a fantastic
intro to the song. And I like the back story of it,
which like you said, it's literal, but it it, it
definitely starts off like, you know, you can listen it to it
and now you can whoever's listening to the story can
definitely understand it'll way better.
So I think we should just play it for everybody.
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They can hear it and kind of understand everything you just
talked about, because I think it's a great story.
It's a great memory too, and nowyou wrote something that you can
remember it by. Yeah.
So let's listen to the Wrong Way5th project right here on the
Sunday Army. Told me not to take all night.
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Not to be stray caution warning.Hey.
Hey. Danger.
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High Marshall. Hello.
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The Wrong Way, of course, will be on the Spotify playlist for
the show, so everybody listeningalready knows Paul.
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give a lot of spins. You're going to love it.
Now the three P's. It's a trilogy of EP's.
Tell me the idea behind putting the EP's like this back-to-back
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and having them kind of in this trilogy.
Well, I think it started. We're looking at each other
like, who's gonna talk? Yeah.
So the I was looking at Tara because I thought, I thought
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you'd answer this because it theoriginal idea came from one of
the first songs she wrote when we got back, like when when we
left, we knew we were using thistrip for inspiration.
Like our goal was to experience this and um, you know, in
interpret our experience through, through song and like
through music videos, whatever, like a band, you know, like this
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is the thing. And so when we got back, I
started working on some music. Terra started working on some
music and I think the first she wrote 6 songs and one of the
first songs in that like first like um you know, batch of
inspiration was the wolf, the owl and the bee.
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So what? What was that about?
What's that about? Yeah, I don't know, man.
It kind of was based on the creatures that we saw the most
of and just the what they represent, um, how they kind of
spoke to us. And yeah.
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So the, the owl, you saw lots ofowls.
Yeah, sorry. It's kind of a journey in, in
like alchemy and evolution as well.
It starts with like this grounded creature.
On four legs. Yeah, on 4 legs, like very like
of the earth and, and, and that kind of thing goes into the owl,
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which is more like messages fromthe beyond.
And this is how your Camino kindof goes.
Like you're very, very physical when you start off.
Everything is about like my body, my bones hurting, you
know, where am I going to sleep,what am I going to eat and that
kind of thing. And as you progress, you, you
get more out of your body, or maybe more into your body, but
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more into your mind as well. And also like more ethereal, I
guess you can, you're just more aware of things besides yours,
your own self. So the owl being a creature that
we saw a lot of, it's also representative of a messenger
from the other side. And the B bees were everywhere
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was the B That's the given I passed the like a higher realm
of existence there. Yeah, it's transcended.
Like all three creatures are spiritual traditionally.
So like the the wolf is, you know, an emissary of the moon,
the howling and whatnot. And the, you know, the moon is
our subconscious. Or if you want to get into, um,
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like you could go back to the mystery schools, you know, the,
the, how do I say this quickly? The, the moon is a reflection of
the sun or of the light. So it's, it's receptive of, of
the, the action of light. And so the wolf, the wolf is
like a, you know, a symbol for that.
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And then you get into the owl also associated with the moon
and, and that kind of mystery school kind of path, you could
call it Isis, I guess, is usually you get Isis and raw
rare, however you want to pronounce it.
And and so with the moon is usually associated associated
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with the divine feminine of the sacred feminine.
And that's, you know, just like,as a side note for folks who
haven't heard of us before, 5th project, like our name has to do
with the divine feminine and, and our incarnation from like in
this like form of humans. Like if you want to get into
sacred cultures, they talk aboutlike this is the, you know, our
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fifth, the fifth age of humans. The, you know, some of the first
one was made out of clay or something like that.
I can't remember this specifically off the top of my
head, but like it was a while back when we when this band name
came up. But the five has to do with, you
know, today we're having this conversation on a, on a Friday,
which is Venus day, which is thegoddess.
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So today is like used to be celebrated as like the, the day
of the goddess. And so there's this, there's
this running theme throughout the wolf, Yale and the bee.
The owl is also of the moon, butthe owl is interesting because
the owl can kind of see whereas the the wolf is responding to
the moon and and and the whole spiritual realm.
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The owl kind of interacts with it and talks like to the other
side, like you'll see even in UFO culture, you see owls
associated with aliens and that gets into a whole other
conversation about, you know, consciousness and what people
are actually experiencing and, and extra dimensions and like
are, are very finite, you know, way of sensory sensorial
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perception. But like when you get to the B,
you're in a totally transcendentstate.
Like if you look at, you know, again, Egypt, the the TV and the
hive, they were, you know, they were, it was royalty.
Like it was like there was a you, you see it in the Florida
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Lee and you can go down the, thethreads of like Freemasonry and
whatnot and how it's used or tracing boards and whatnot.
But like the be ultimately it's,it's funny because you know, you
have an Ant and that comes to like hive mind, especially what
we're going through in the worldright now with this like Big
Brother presence, trying to digitally, you know, track and
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trace everybody. But what, what you have on the
other side of an Ant colony is like a bee colony.
And are they different? Well, that's where it gets into.
You can split hairs on this probably, but it gets into like
an alchemical or esoteric conversation about how the bee
is unbounded because of its ability to walk on the land like
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an Ant. But also it, it creates like a
field around itself where you see this with beetles too, the
scarab beetle in Egypt. These things like we say they
fly. But what they're kind of doing,
and I think that science is the mainstream science is coming
around to a lot of this is that they're, they're creating.
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Um, but again, this goes, it gets into UFO's there, there and
what, what that those ships do and stuff like that.
And, and our replication of thatkind of our, our understanding
of that technology. And it's like you create a field
and that field allows you to move effortlessly throughout,
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you know, the dimensions space. Like the difference between, you
know, flying ants taken out of the out of this conversation for
a simple illustration comparisonis you've got, you know, ants on
the ground and bees flying around.
And the difference is like that understanding of what a bees
purpose is, is in the whole. And it's not that we're drones.
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It's not that we're, you know, hive minded.
It's that we are all humans. We're all having this
experience. And this experience is beyond
the material. It's beyond the forelegs that or
the six legs that trap us on theearth is beyond the wings that
we can, you know, fly physicallymaterial through, through,
through the air. It's like into this space where
we we transcend the material andwe become the ether ourselves.
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And so we are the immaterial andthe material.
That was a huge rant so. That was good.
You almost got into we almost got into my secondary podcast,
but well, we will not talk aboutthat.
OHP. What I like about this love you
don't know what I really like about this is that and most of
the time you get a theme that goes through a single EP and
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you're done here. You're doing a theme throughout
several, which is nice that there's so much effort and
thought put into it when you're creating projects.
So I definitely appreciate that on a not only spiritual but a
music level too. Cool, thanks.
So. Why didn't do it any other way?
Like this is when when Tara and I met, this is kind of, you
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know, within two minutes we're talking this way, which is
strange, just like most people like, hey, what kind of music
are you into? You know, like that kind of
stuff. And we're immediately into the
this this side of things so. Just fantastic, yeah, yeah.
Why? Why not?
It's a different level of it. And and you know what, why not?
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It's it's creative and then thisis what you come up with.
It's fantastic. So 2025, you guys are already
doing all this stuff now what doyou have planned for the rest of
the year? We're going to be releasing the
singles, I guess. Um, I don't know if that'll be
probably the second-half of the year.
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We're going to be working on music videos, live shows.
We have a live show coming up onJune 14th at.
At the junction underground. It's in.
Toronto, Yeah, in Toronto. OHL that can be found on the 5th
project.com your website. But which socials would you like
everybody to go and follow? We use Instagram and Twitter and
(29:55):
sometimes Facebook for things. Mostly Instagram and Twitter I
think are the 2. And we've got lots of stuff on
YouTube as well, yeah. Excellent.
I'm going to definitely link allthat with the show description
right down below, but you can golike, click, like, follow,
subscribe, all the cool stuff that we do.
So Tara Scott, 5th project, thank you so much for coming on
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the show and sharing your music with me.
Thanks for having. Us, yeah.
Thank you.
Well, what we have here today. Is.
The last episode in the music series for the next couple of
months. As for those listening already
know, I am taking a break somewhat for the summer because
you can only do so many episodesa year and I think I'm just
going to take a break for a few weeks.
(00:43):
That being said, finishing off the next little bit of fantastic
note with a great episode today,I must say fantastic music.
And before we get to all that remembering, this is the last
episode of the next few months of music.
Check out the Spotify. Playlist where all the music is
LinkedIn the description of the show.
Also the socials are there. Make sure if whatever you're
(01:05):
listening hit that subscribe button.
Helps me. Grow helps these artists.
Grow, We want to spread a good music around the world to 126
countries already that have listened to this show.
That's what the main goal is andI appreciate everybody
listening, I really do. It's been a fantastic ride so
far this first half of the year.So many more things that will be
(01:26):
happening in the future with this show. 5 1/2 years already
going on almost on 6 for in December.
Maybe some big things, plenty, you never know.
Check out all the things happening on Instagram.
That is the place to be for all the social media that I try to
be on, which I am everywhere, but that one seems to be working
the best. Again, love repeating myself.
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Hit that subscribe button wherever you are, and maybe if
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favorite cities to find amazing independent music that I'd like
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I'm delighted to have fifth project here today.
Tara and Scott, how are you? Great.
Thank you. Good.
Thanks. I'm excited because my my
playlist has a lot of a lot of different genres of music and
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adding fifth project to it will just kick it up an extra notch
because the what I've been listening to since you guys sent
me your music and I've been ableto do sort of research that I
like try to do on this show. I'm I'm excited.
I really am. It's just adding more great
variety to break apart everything else in the music
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industry these days, and this iskind of the goal of 2025 for me,
so I'm excited. Thank.
You cool thanks. So let's talk about you guys.
Let's get a little background because you've put a lot of
music so far and here we are today.
So walk me through the beginningstages of 5th project.
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Well, I guess, um, we met through an ad.
I auditioned for their existing band or three piece.
I auditioned to be their singer.And how long were you guys
together before that? Six months or.
So yeah, we were auditioning forsix months for we're looking
specifically for a female vocalist and we auditioned a
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bunch of people and the second Iheard Terrors music, it was
like, whoa, this is so, so different and so unique and such
a a a wonderful voice. And just the way that she writes
was very similar to the way I write and I I write a little
outside of the box. So as does she.
So it was weird. We happen to be hanging outside
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of the box together, it seems. So the second I heard her stuff,
I was like, OK, I think we foundwho we're looking for, but we
did the formality of bringing her out for everybody to hear.
And that was on my birthday. And that was like a, that was a
pretty decent present. Yeah, from there I guess we
started demoing songs that we had each written and playing
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shows and. What?
Yeah, we released our first album pretty quickly in 2006
with Circadian, then Terran. I got busy in a couple of other
bands. There was a Los Angeles Digital
Noise Academy out of LA and there was one out of Night
(04:45):
Flowers at a Toronto that we were playing in.
So we stopped doing 5th project for a couple years while we were
doing those other things. And then we released our second
album called V in 2011 with a different rhythm section.
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We were playing with two different people because we kind
of put the band aside to do those other musical projects for
a year. And then after that we released
an EP in 2013 called Gamma Wave Rhythm and Tara went to school
for a few years and we had an EPready to release called The
(05:26):
Labyrinth. But then the world went sideways
and so we released the Labyrinthand another EP of covers called
Emergency both in 2022. And then in 2023 we released the
EP The Wolf, which is the first in a trilogy inspired by our
time in the community, Santiago in Spain.
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Like a a classic, like thousandsyear old pilgrimage, like
walking meditation kind of thing.
So it's pretty cool and that's where we are right now.
We're just, we just finished mastering the owl, which is the
second part of like there's the wolf, the owl and the bee, all
inspired by the Camino. And so we just finished
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mastering the OWL last week, so we're getting ready to release
that later this year. We'll start probably releasing
singles from that. Yeah, I think that brings up
today. Yeah, you just.
Started on something that I loveto get into, like inspiration
behind music. And you just mentioned you went
(06:31):
to Spain and sort of a pilgrimage to come up with the
wolf. Now, how do you come up with
ideas that these are some of thethings you need to do or does it
come naturally of how do you find that way to get inspired?
It doesn't take any effort, I don't think.
I think it's just the the inspiration I have found comes
(06:55):
to me a lot and kind of knocks on my door and stops me in my
tracks. I think I kind of know when, I
think when we did the the Camino, we knew like this is a
music pilgrimage as well, and itwas kind of hard not to be
inspired. I think every day it's kind of
hard not to be inspired. So that's why I think it's
(07:16):
something that comes more to me than I have to go looking for.
Yeah, yeah, I would agree. I think there's almost not
enough time in a day to act in all the inspiration that's
presented to me and all the things I want to see that sends
my, you know, the music pointingoff into the imaginal thing.
Look what we could do if we wentthis way, Scott.
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I'm like, oh, that looks so fun.I don't have that much time.
And that happens. There's like half a dozen things
every day that I see that I would love to have the time to
pursue. So I like that because that kind
of explains why you guys have somany upcoming projects already
lined up with so much stuff coming your way.
That's that's really cool. I really definitely appreciate
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that. Now the song that we have on the
show called The Wrong Way. Walk me through this one.
OK. Is there there's a pun in that
right? Walk me through.
Yeah, right. Ah yeah, try.
This is not the most clever showin the world, but you know,
throw it out there once in a while.
(08:22):
OK, so and we started this one. Well, it's it's we write songs
that are usually pretty conceptually deep, multiple
layers of meaning and symbolism and all that stuff.
And this one, there may be layers that we haven't figured
out yet, but it's pretty simple.We went the wrong way.
Like purely literal. Yeah, it's very literal.
(08:43):
Like we were warned. This was on the second day of
the Camino and the first day we're trying to pick our jaws up
off of the ground of the beauty of hiking through the purities.
It's just like I don't even I can't even begin to explain it.
Photos don't even do a very goodjob.
Like being when you're hiking up, hiking up into the mountains
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and you're hiking through the clouds and above the clouds and
looking out over. And then you see the sun rising
up over the clouds and you're kind of on this mountain peak
and you see these other mountainpeaks poking out from above the
clouds over Yonder. It's just like it's, I don't
even know how to explain it, that that was a bad, a bad
attempt. But we were kind of just like
(09:26):
amazed at the whole thing. We had maps that we were given.
We were warned like, don't go this way.
They showed us on the map, This is the place where you don't
want to go. Very dangerous.
It was like red marker all over it.
Don't go this way. XXX and.
Like. OK.
Yeah. And and so they're like, instead
take this other way, you won't get hurt.
It's it takes a couple hours or something like that to go this
(09:49):
roundabout route. But like the Camino, there
aren't like the people doing it are usually retired people or,
you know, like it's we. I think we were the, we, we saw
another couple that was maybe our age or something like that.
But it's like they're taking everybody's like health into
(10:09):
account when they, when they move the, because the way we
went the wrong way is actually the old way.
And you don't do that anymore because it's way too dangerous.
Like we're lucky we survived. And so the song is, is literally
about our misadventures. Like on day 2 where we walked by
everybody we left last. Like every in the, in the
(10:30):
Camino, it starts at like everybody gets up at 4:00 in the
morning and you're fighting for showers and like, you know,
coffee and whatever and packing your bags and you're out there
because you need to get to thesehostels in the next place, like
2025 kilometers away. And if you don't get a bed, then
you have to like, you have to hike farther to find the next,
next hostel or your, you know, maybe if you've got like lots of
(10:54):
money, I guess you could go if there's, if you're in a city,
you could go to a hotel or something like that.
But like the idea of a, a pilgrimage is like it's, you're
just sleeping in bunk beds. It's like summer camp is would
be like a luxury version. It's just like, you know, like
30 bunk beds in a giant cinder block room.
Yep, bare bones, you know, and it's just a place for you to
(11:16):
rest your weary bones and then you're up and at them and you're
out of there and that's it. And so we don't really deal well
with like a lot of crowds and people jockeying for this, that
and whatever. So we just kind of.
Slept in and let them leave. So we got quite a later and we
get our coffee, we get our breakfast and kind of Mosey and
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and so I I don't know, we started off and then we saw a
big crowd of like pilgrims, I guess, right, sitting and having
their picnic lunch and we're walking by them.
We all wave at them. We look at the signs.
It's like, yeah, we go this way and then cut to us going
basically straight down like it's I I didn't.
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We didn't really see anybody except a few bikers that were
looking at us like we were insane.
Like bikers, they were like theywere extreme bikers.
They had like the helmets and the pads and the and the souped
up off roaders. Like it was crazy.
And they're looking at us like you guys are nuts.
Like what are you doing? So I think we almost broke our
legs just with backpacks on and walking straight down these.
(12:20):
Hills. It wasn't really walking.
We were trying. We were.
Basically tagging so that we wouldn't tumble forward I.
Guess yeah, it was. Yeah, we are lucky.
We're really lucky because our backpacks were like 15 or 20 lbs
just so that's adding the weightpushing you ill.
So we tried to like basically when we got to the bottom, this
was the the best part is we got to the bottom and we're like,
(12:41):
wow, that's crazy. And reflecting on like, how are
senior citizens supposed to get like navigate that?
They must have to like, I don't know, slide down on their butts.
Like this is crazy. Like I would never, never send
anyone down that route if, if itwere up to me.
And we come out to Roncesvalles at the I think I guess that's
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still in the Pyrenees somewhere.But like, we've gone over a
mountain and down, down a bit and we just spent like 10 or 15
minutes, I think that maybe evenlonger than that.
It felt like forever. Our legs were killing us.
They're just burning. If you've ever done any serious
physical exercise where you justexert yourself beyond what your
body's really comfortable with and there's just lactic acid
burn and just like the shredded muscles and everything.
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And so we were like, kind of like happy to arrive at the next
place to throw our backpacks offand have a shower or something
like that. We see this one dude, and we
called them Hamburg because he always had like, you know, I
guess he was from Hamburg, Germany.
And he always had these very like, hey, I'm from Hamburg.
Sure, it's on. And so he's like, he's like, why
are you coming from that direction?
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And we're like, what do you meanwith this?
He's like, well, we came in fromover here and he's like, you
guys are like the second people to to show up as like, what do
you mean? So he's like, I don't understand
why you came from that One Direction.
So we're kind of confused. And then we saw everybody else
slowly, like hours later, they started coming from this other
(14:05):
way. And we're like, what?
And that's when we realized we're looking at the map and
we're like, Oh my God, we went the wrong way.
Like we like those stupid of us.Like how did we we missed that?
We were told we and we saw the signs are the only thing I could
think of is maybe when we passedthat group eating lunch,
somebody was standing in front of the sign that was like,
really don't go this way. Like, I don't know.
(14:28):
I don't know how we ended up there, but nobody else went that
way. But it wasn't surprising.
No, not with us. No, we're we're off the beaten
path. It's like, let's have an
adventure here. Yeah, yeah.
So give us a nice story and we're lucky we didn't twist an
ankle or anything because that ended our hike pretty quickly.
And I, I think like the only thing that we try to do is in
(14:54):
the, in the music conceptually is just make the song sound as
frantic as possible to try and like the drum beats very
unconventional. And, and the rest of the music,
the orchestration is very unconventional.
It's kind of almost like every step is going the wrong way, but
making it work like just the waywe're going down a hill out of
control. And that's kind of what we tried
(15:15):
to try to like bring across in the in the music in kind of like
a fun way. So it's a fast, upbeat song for
that for that specific reason, but otherwise there's no there's
no real meaning to it. Thing, yeah, most of the concept
and that one is just through themusic more so than the lyrics,
(15:35):
yeah, pretty literal. Yeah, yeah.
No, I like that. That's a that's a fantastic
intro to the song. And I like the back story of it,
which like you said, it's literal, but it it, it
definitely starts off like, you know, you can listen it to it
and now you can whoever's listening to the story can
definitely understand it'll way better.
So I think we should just play it for everybody.
(15:58):
They can hear it and kind of understand everything you just
talked about, because I think it's a great story.
It's a great memory too, and nowyou wrote something that you can
remember it by. Yeah.
So let's listen to the Wrong Way5th project right here on the
Sunday Army. Told me not to take all night.
(17:17):
Not to be stray caution warning.Hey.
Hey. Danger.
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High Marshall. Hello.
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The Wrong Way, of course, will be on the Spotify playlist for
the show, so everybody listeningalready knows Paul.
Like subscribe, we support independent artists on this
show. Add it to your own playlist,
give a lot of spins. You're going to love it.
Now the three P's. It's a trilogy of EP's.
Tell me the idea behind putting the EP's like this back-to-back
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and having them kind of in this trilogy.
Well, I think it started. We're looking at each other
like, who's gonna talk? Yeah.
So the I was looking at Tara because I thought, I thought
(20:35):
you'd answer this because it theoriginal idea came from one of
the first songs she wrote when we got back, like when when we
left, we knew we were using thistrip for inspiration.
Like our goal was to experience this and um, you know, in
interpret our experience through, through song and like
through music videos, whatever, like a band, you know, like this
(20:57):
is the thing. And so when we got back, I
started working on some music. Terra started working on some
music and I think the first she wrote 6 songs and one of the
first songs in that like first like um you know, batch of
inspiration was the wolf, the owl and the bee.
(21:21):
So what? What was that about?
What's that about? Yeah, I don't know, man.
It kind of was based on the creatures that we saw the most
of and just the what they represent, um, how they kind of
spoke to us. And yeah.
(21:44):
So the, the owl, you saw lots ofowls.
Yeah, sorry. It's kind of a journey in, in
like alchemy and evolution as well.
It starts with like this grounded creature.
On four legs. Yeah, on 4 legs, like very like
of the earth and, and, and that kind of thing goes into the owl,
(22:05):
which is more like messages fromthe beyond.
And this is how your Camino kindof goes.
Like you're very, very physical when you start off.
Everything is about like my body, my bones hurting, you
know, where am I going to sleep,what am I going to eat and that
kind of thing. And as you progress, you, you
get more out of your body, or maybe more into your body, but
(22:27):
more into your mind as well. And also like more ethereal, I
guess you can, you're just more aware of things besides yours,
your own self. So the owl being a creature that
we saw a lot of, it's also representative of a messenger
from the other side. And the B bees were everywhere
(22:53):
was the B That's the given I passed the like a higher realm
of existence there. Yeah, it's transcended.
Like all three creatures are spiritual traditionally.
So like the the wolf is, you know, an emissary of the moon,
the howling and whatnot. And the, you know, the moon is
our subconscious. Or if you want to get into, um,
(23:18):
like you could go back to the mystery schools, you know, the,
the, how do I say this quickly? The, the moon is a reflection of
the sun or of the light. So it's, it's receptive of, of
the, the action of light. And so the wolf, the wolf is
like a, you know, a symbol for that.
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And then you get into the owl also associated with the moon
and, and that kind of mystery school kind of path, you could
call it Isis, I guess, is usually you get Isis and raw
rare, however you want to pronounce it.
And and so with the moon is usually associated associated
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with the divine feminine of the sacred feminine.
And that's, you know, just like,as a side note for folks who
haven't heard of us before, 5th project, like our name has to do
with the divine feminine and, and our incarnation from like in
this like form of humans. Like if you want to get into
sacred cultures, they talk aboutlike this is the, you know, our
(24:21):
fifth, the fifth age of humans. The, you know, some of the first
one was made out of clay or something like that.
I can't remember this specifically off the top of my
head, but like it was a while back when we when this band name
came up. But the five has to do with, you
know, today we're having this conversation on a, on a Friday,
which is Venus day, which is thegoddess.
(24:43):
So today is like used to be celebrated as like the, the day
of the goddess. And so there's this, there's
this running theme throughout the wolf, Yale and the bee.
The owl is also of the moon, butthe owl is interesting because
the owl can kind of see whereas the the wolf is responding to
the moon and and and the whole spiritual realm.
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The owl kind of interacts with it and talks like to the other
side, like you'll see even in UFO culture, you see owls
associated with aliens and that gets into a whole other
conversation about, you know, consciousness and what people
are actually experiencing and, and extra dimensions and like
are, are very finite, you know, way of sensory sensorial
(25:30):
perception. But like when you get to the B,
you're in a totally transcendentstate.
Like if you look at, you know, again, Egypt, the the TV and the
hive, they were, you know, they were, it was royalty.
Like it was like there was a you, you see it in the Florida
(25:50):
Lee and you can go down the, thethreads of like Freemasonry and
whatnot and how it's used or tracing boards and whatnot.
But like the be ultimately it's,it's funny because you know, you
have an Ant and that comes to like hive mind, especially what
we're going through in the worldright now with this like Big
Brother presence, trying to digitally, you know, track and
(26:13):
trace everybody. But what, what you have on the
other side of an Ant colony is like a bee colony.
And are they different? Well, that's where it gets into.
You can split hairs on this probably, but it gets into like
an alchemical or esoteric conversation about how the bee
is unbounded because of its ability to walk on the land like
(26:34):
an Ant. But also it, it creates like a
field around itself where you see this with beetles too, the
scarab beetle in Egypt. These things like we say they
fly. But what they're kind of doing,
and I think that science is the mainstream science is coming
around to a lot of this is that they're, they're creating.
(26:55):
Um, but again, this goes, it gets into UFO's there, there and
what, what that those ships do and stuff like that.
And, and our replication of thatkind of our, our understanding
of that technology. And it's like you create a field
and that field allows you to move effortlessly throughout,
(27:16):
you know, the dimensions space. Like the difference between, you
know, flying ants taken out of the out of this conversation for
a simple illustration comparisonis you've got, you know, ants on
the ground and bees flying around.
And the difference is like that understanding of what a bees
purpose is, is in the whole. And it's not that we're drones.
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It's not that we're, you know, hive minded.
It's that we are all humans. We're all having this
experience. And this experience is beyond
the material. It's beyond the forelegs that or
the six legs that trap us on theearth is beyond the wings that
we can, you know, fly physicallymaterial through, through,
through the air. It's like into this space where
we we transcend the material andwe become the ether ourselves.
(28:01):
And so we are the immaterial andthe material.
That was a huge rant so. That was good.
You almost got into we almost got into my secondary podcast,
but well, we will not talk aboutthat.
OHP. What I like about this love you
don't know what I really like about this is that and most of
the time you get a theme that goes through a single EP and
(28:24):
you're done here. You're doing a theme throughout
several, which is nice that there's so much effort and
thought put into it when you're creating projects.
So I definitely appreciate that on a not only spiritual but a
music level too. Cool, thanks.
So. Why didn't do it any other way?
Like this is when when Tara and I met, this is kind of, you
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know, within two minutes we're talking this way, which is
strange, just like most people like, hey, what kind of music
are you into? You know, like that kind of
stuff. And we're immediately into the
this this side of things so. Just fantastic, yeah, yeah.
Why? Why not?
It's a different level of it. And and you know what, why not?
(29:06):
It's it's creative and then thisis what you come up with.
It's fantastic. So 2025, you guys are already
doing all this stuff now what doyou have planned for the rest of
the year? We're going to be releasing the
singles, I guess. Um, I don't know if that'll be
probably the second-half of the year.
(29:28):
We're going to be working on music videos, live shows.
We have a live show coming up onJune 14th at.
At the junction underground. It's in.
Toronto, Yeah, in Toronto. OHL that can be found on the 5th
project.com your website. But which socials would you like
everybody to go and follow? We use Instagram and Twitter and
(29:55):
sometimes Facebook for things. Mostly Instagram and Twitter I
think are the 2. And we've got lots of stuff on
YouTube as well, yeah. Excellent.
I'm going to definitely link allthat with the show description
right down below, but you can golike, click, like, follow,
subscribe, all the cool stuff that we do.
So Tara Scott, 5th project, thank you so much for coming on
(30:16):
the show and sharing your music with me.
Thanks for having. Us, yeah.
Thank you.
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