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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Scott Vordie Lucy, how many outstanding warrants.
Speaker 2 (00:03):
Do you have?
Speaker 3 (00:04):
Just a little under twenty five thousand?
Speaker 1 (00:06):
If yes, that's a We only have one numerical reference
on the program this morning. Uh, if you got this
phone call, what would you think.
Speaker 4 (00:15):
This message is for me? My name is Sergeant Matt
Jones with the Dentaist County Shriff's Apartment. Sir, I need
you to get me a call back at your earliest
convenience at for zero two for zero zero. This is
a rather urgent matter, sir. For speakause.
Speaker 1 (00:32):
Now, let's pretend that call didn't include beeps. What would
you think if you got that? He doesn't sound like
he's from Douglas County. Well, people are calling the number
back and what happens next? We have here that's that's
someone who purports to be with the Douglas County Sheriff's Office.
We've got here the Douglas County Sheriff himself, Aaron Hanson,
(00:52):
is back here on news radio eleven ten KOFAB Sheriff,
good morning, thanks for having us. We also have also
from the department. Sergeant John McFarlane is here and Sargeant,
I appreciate you being here as well. Thanks for having us.
Who's this guy who is just making a calls? You
a friend of yours?
Speaker 2 (01:09):
That gentleman would be a scammer and pretty common scammer
right now too. We get these these scam calls. I'd
say there's probably hundreds, if not even thousands going out
every day just in our county alone.
Speaker 1 (01:21):
Yeah, and it's not just him. Here's another one of
these calls.
Speaker 4 (01:24):
Did that's the name is Jill?
Speaker 1 (01:25):
This stipy gave flowers from the business kind of shared department.
Speaker 4 (01:29):
I have some legal minus so signy that needs your
immediate attention. You can give me a callback towards two
two seventy five. Thank you.
Speaker 1 (01:38):
Doesn't have the four four to four prefix there for
a lot of city and county numbers, but people probably
don't know that, and they call back the number. It's
a four oh two number. They I got to see
what's going on here. I either have a warrant and
I need to find out what's going on here, or
I might have a warrant. I don't know. I've done
a lot of shady things, didn't know anyone knew about it.
(01:59):
They call the number back and what happens next.
Speaker 2 (02:02):
Well, what they do is they'll they'll hook you. So
what they do is they try really hard to capitalize
on your fears, fear of having a warrant, fear of
owing a fine, fear of getting in trouble, and they'll
try to get you into getting in your car driving
with them on the phone. They call it a mobile escort,
(02:24):
and they'll say, well, if you get stopped by the cops,
just hand the phone out the window and we'll tell
them you're not going to jail for your warrant. Go
to your bank, get five thousand dollars and take it
to the sheriff's office. Once you get to the sheriff's office,
they'll come up with another reason why they have to
divert you from the sheriff's office to a cryptocurrency atm
kiosk somewhere nearby, and they'll have you submit that money
(02:47):
into that cryptocurrency kiosk, and your money is gone once
that happens.
Speaker 1 (02:52):
It's not illegal to be let's be generous and say ignorant,
it's not illegal. But at this point, are people really
falling for this? Sergeant?
Speaker 3 (03:03):
Every single day, we receive reports and phone calls every
single day We have a dedicated phone line where people
can check these questions and contact us. But we see
reports and thousands and thousands of dollars every day going.
Speaker 1 (03:16):
Out see I say that I can't believe anyone would
fall for this, but I almost fell for a very
common Facebook scam just a few weeks ago. Someone had
hacked someone else's profile and it shows up there. This
isn't someone I know, but we have mutual friends, and
he's a Facebook friend, which isn't uncommon on my page,
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and he's like, hey, dad's moving into assisted living. We
need to sell all this stuff real quick. And so
it was just like twenty items, all of them listed
with a really fair price value, and here's pictures of
all this stuff. But there's always one or two things
in there that are too good to be true, and
like in this case, one of them was a pickup truck.
(03:58):
I'm an older pickup truck, great condition, low miles, super cheap,
and I jumped all over it, like, gotta do this.
My kid turned sixteen here in about a year, and
I want an old pickup truck. What better time than
now to get it. By the way, I did all
this without consulting with my wife first, and once I
started going back and forth with the guy and Facebook messenger,
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suddenly I was like, this doesn't seem right. Venmo me
down payment so I can hold it for you. I
got a lot of people interested in this. I'm like,
wait a second, and it's a scam. And I almost
fell for it, just because I was, like I wanted
to in the interest of trying to get a good deal,
trying to get something taken care of. I was hasty
about it.
Speaker 2 (04:39):
And you're not alone. I mean, here's the deal. Doctors, lawyers, seniors,
younger professionals. Even recently, we just got to call recently
from a command officer in another police agency who was
getting lured actually his relative was getting lured into one
of these scams, and they weren't sure if it was
legitimate or not. These folks are very very good at
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setting the stage to trick folks, and that's why we're
working so hard to educate folks and also spread the
word about our scam line four two four four four
scam scam at seven two two six, because we need
to stop people's thought process and kick them back into reality.
Otherwise they'll lose thousands.
Speaker 1 (05:23):
All right, So first things first, Sergeant, the Douglas County
Sheriff's Department, and I don't imagine any local law enforcement
ever tries to settle warrants or anything over the phone
with five thousand dollars in cryptocurrency, right, that's correct. So
if you if you have an outstanding warrant or something,
or the Sheriff's department needs to talk with you, what
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is the process. They usually try and reach out.
Speaker 3 (05:47):
If you've got a warrant, We're gonna try and come
find you. If we can't find you, we'll give you
a call. We'll try and make some connection with you
if we cannot find you. But we're never going to
call you, ask for money, ask for a gift card,
ask for cryptocurrency, I have any.
Speaker 1 (06:00):
Yeah, it's just they might call you, but we're not
asking for a gift card or whatever, never.
Speaker 3 (06:06):
Gonna ask for payment to Clara warrant.
Speaker 2 (06:07):
You're gonna have to be booked. I mean that's you
wish you could, you wish you could avoid the booking process,
But if you have a warrant, you're gonna have to
be booked and then you pay your money at the
at the correctional facility.
Speaker 1 (06:18):
The Grandma scam, where people would get called sometimes the
middle of the night and this voice would just say Grandma,
and suddenly your grandma is like, Mike, you know what,
and yeah, it's me, Mike, And then they try and
get her to wire money because I'm on vacation in
Brazil and I got to get out of this and
I can't get old of my parents. Can you help
me out? And I'll do anything for my baby, even
(06:40):
though this doesn't really sound like him, and I didn't
know he was in Brazil. So the people stationed in
those wire transfer places like supermarkets or banks or whatever,
they tell people, I think you're being scammed. Let's try
and get to the bottom of this. Are there any
such signs or anything there some of these cryptocurrency stations.
Speaker 2 (06:59):
Two things we're trying to do. Number One, we're working
with a city councilwoman Amy Milton. She's going to propose
an ordinance that there has to be a warning placard
on any cryptocurrency kiosk in the city limits of Omaha.
Hopefully we can extend that to a state law, but
you know, warning them. So here's our scam line number.
If you're paying money here. This will never happen here.
(07:20):
But secondly, now we are proactively going to some of
these businesses that have these cryptocurrency kiosks, and we're talking
to their corporate leadership and saying, look, would you set
up a lawn chair by your front door and let
Pooky the meth dealer sell dope right there at your
front door? Well, of course not. Well why on earth
would you let a cryptocurrency kiosk used primarily by scammers
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to do the same thing. And we're getting really good reception.
If we can cut down these ATM cryptocurrency kiosks in
legitimate businesses, I think we'll really cut down the victims
as well.
Speaker 1 (07:53):
But there are legitimate reasons why someone might try and
trade and do something that people make some money doing
that with a twenty exchange America baby capitalism.
Speaker 2 (08:04):
Yeah sure, But you know what, at least if we
have those locations, we should probably have them in areas
where people at least have eyes wide open that you're
doing exchanges on the on the dark web or or
somewhere where at least it doesn't look like a legitimate
business storefront. And if you do have a legitimate business
and you want it. You should know with full wise,
wide open eyes wide open, what you're exposing your customers.
Speaker 1 (08:26):
So, bottom line, Sergeant John McFarlane, the Douglas County Sheriff's
Apartment is not going to call an extract money from
you over the phone. Never easier that. It could not
be said any easier than that. If you think you're
being scammed, you can call four oh two four four
four scam and they might say, well, if I'm on
the phone with this guy, how am I supposed to call?
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What should they do? If they suddenly they're on the phone,
now they're driving somewhere, and then suddenly it dawns on them. Now,
wait a second, I don't know if this is legitimate.
What should they do?
Speaker 3 (08:55):
They don't think it's legitimate?
Speaker 4 (08:56):
Hang up?
Speaker 3 (08:57):
Call the Sheriff's office. Call nine one one, Call anybody
question what's going on? Question the Sheriff's Office. Hey, somebody
called me said I have a warrant. They want me
to buy some gift cards, they want me to get
some cryptocurrency. We can walk you through the steps. We
can check if you have a warrant and give your
guidance on what to do. We can let you know
you don't have a warrant and tell you what not
to do in the future.
Speaker 1 (09:18):
At a Sergeant John McFarlane, Douglas County Sheriff's Department. We've
also got Sheriff Aaron Hanson with US Sheriff. We talked
a lot about warrants with some of these phone calls.
I want to talk about that which has been in
the news here recently, and you might get the impression
that this is like the one time that Omaha police.
(09:39):
But of course, your former Omaha Police, former Omaha Police
Union president, a member of the Gang Task Force, You've
been involved in everything. So that's why I'm coming to
you for this, not because I want you to adjudicate
this one case, but this case here of Omaha Police
serving a no knock warrant on someone who en end
(10:00):
up getting shot. In that situation, people get the impression
like I thought, these were banned and we shouldn't do them,
and I probably the one time we've done it. The
guy who led that team has done I think one
hundred and twenty two of them, and you haven't heard
this kind of story breaking out like it did the
other day here. What are your thoughts as a law
(10:22):
enforcement professional on no knock warrants.
Speaker 2 (10:26):
Yeah, no knock warrants are. They are a reality of
a dangerous profession. And that doesn't mean that law enforcement
agencies across the nation don't take exceptional steps to try
to avoid either executing a no knock warrant if you
don't need to, or executing as safely as you can.
(10:49):
And so what people need to understand is there's really
two types of warrants that are going to occur in
a structure. You either have what's called a knock and
announced warrant or you have an knock warrant. The knock
and announce warrant is a long duration of an officer
pounding on the door with a team behind them and
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other officers or deputies surrounding the perimeter of the house
announcing their presence, announcing that they have a warrant demanding
entry or that force will be used to enter the house.
And in a typical warrant, if you're talking about a
property crime or even some types of drug dealing, that's
appropriate and it happens every day, but when you're talking
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individuals that pose a significant risk to officers and they're
inside the house and you don't know where they are
inside the house, and you don't know if they're armed,
if they're going to fire upon you with a weapon.
That's where the no knock warrants really become applicable and crucial.
And I can tell you there's even different types of
no knock warrants. Some no knock warrants will result in
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what's called a breach and hold, where you will force
the door open and then the swat team will actively
announce at the door to see if they can elicit
a response, and that avoids the opportunity of being fired
upon by giving that announcement at the door. But when
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you breach and hold, then you're trying to get the
subject to comply. In other circumstances, there does have to
be dynamic entry, and luckily that's why I think in
almost all cases, especially in law enforcement in this area,
those are going to be executed by swat team.
Speaker 1 (12:33):
Let me ask you a couple of things here that
opponents of this kind of activity, and some of them
are just straight up cop haters, but they still I
think have a couple of legitimate questions. One is, I
watch the movies, why can't Richard drive as an Emilio
Astavez or someone do a stakeout and just wait for
the guy to come out and then they arrest him.
Speaker 2 (12:52):
Yeah, great question. So actually, when you do that, there
are some times where that's appropriate, and back in my
old OPD days, we did set up some operations where
that was the safest way to proceed, but in many
many cases it's not because when you allow for a
scenario to evolve out in the public, you don't know
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what your backdrop is going to be. That backdrop can
change quickly based on the positioning of the suspect. That
suspect can get into a vehicle quickly that you may
not even known as in play, and so there's so
many unknowns that happen when the suspect all of a
sudden is inserted into an outdoor exterior environment that when
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you can contain, especially a high risk arm suspect to
a house, in many cases that's probably going to be
your safest option.
Speaker 1 (13:43):
Yeah, sometimes you have to go in and extract the cancer.
But let me try and put myself in the shoes
of the cancer in this instance, because look, I think
we all agree that the best scenario is a guy
who's dangerous is arrested, brought before a judge. In some
case this is a jury, and if he's found guilty,
he goes to prison. He sees the error of his
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ways and goes back and leads a nice, productive lifestyle.
That's what everyone wants. So if you've got someone you know,
you don't want to have officers go in there and
just start pulling the trigger here against someone. But if
you have someone who lives a dangerous lifestyle, gang's, drugs,
all kinds of problems, and suddenly people are coming through
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your door. It's the middle of the night or whatever,
and it's dark. You don't know who's coming in there.
They say it's the police, and you think, that doesn't
sound like the police. It sounds like a rival gang.
It sounds like coming in here to steal or kill
from me. You grab a gun, or you're try and
do something, you don't comply with the orders, and for
that you get shot. And people say this is heavily
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weighted towards police officers get just getting a chance to
go in there and execute a guy when he's trying
to save his life, when he doesn't know what's going on.
Speaker 2 (14:56):
Well, I think the I think the statistics in reality,
would I would beg to differ. I think that if
you look back at the scenarios, the high risk entries,
the arrest scenarios that happen either in a search warrant
or out in public of individuals who resist either with
or without weapons, by and large, there is no fatality
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that occurs at the hands of the police in those situations.
But I think we also have to come to terms
with this.
Speaker 4 (15:22):
Look.
Speaker 2 (15:23):
Being a cop is a risky profession, okay, but we
should not ask police professionals to sacrifice their lives simply
for public perception purposes. They have families, they have spouses,
they have kids, they have mom and dads that they
need to go home to as well. But even more
inherently risky than being a law enforcement officer, quite frankly,
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and I'm not talking about this particular case, but in general,
is being an armed criminal. Because you nailed it, how
do you know the person coming through the door is
a police swat team or a Douglas Kinny sheriff swat
team or the opposite gang. You don't know, the Only
way to minimize those chances is don't engage in that
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type of lifestyle. I would argue that being an armed
criminal is probably one of the riskiest professions that someone
can have. Ultimately, we have a dangerous, dangerous profession. We
try to take steps through training and professionalism and consistency
and proper equipment to reduce the danger, but there will
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be an inherent risk, not only for law enforcement, but
especially for the armed criminals that lived those type of lifestyle.
Speaker 1 (16:33):
Great information this morning. I appreciate the conversation. As always,
Scott Voys Mornings nine to eleven on news radio eleven
ten KFAB
Scott Vordie Lucy, how many outstanding warrants.
Speaker 2 (00:03):
Do you have?
Speaker 3 (00:04):
Just a little under twenty five thousand?
Speaker 1 (00:06):
If yes, that's a We only have one numerical reference
on the program this morning. Uh, if you got this
phone call, what would you think.
Speaker 4 (00:15):
This message is for me? My name is Sergeant Matt
Jones with the Dentaist County Shriff's Apartment. Sir, I need
you to get me a call back at your earliest
convenience at for zero two for zero zero. This is
a rather urgent matter, sir. For speakause.
Speaker 1 (00:32):
Now, let's pretend that call didn't include beeps. What would
you think if you got that? He doesn't sound like
he's from Douglas County. Well, people are calling the number
back and what happens next? We have here that's that's
someone who purports to be with the Douglas County Sheriff's Office.
We've got here the Douglas County Sheriff himself, Aaron Hanson,
(00:52):
is back here on news radio eleven ten KOFAB Sheriff,
good morning, thanks for having us. We also have also
from the department. Sergeant John McFarlane is here and Sargeant,
I appreciate you being here as well. Thanks for having us.
Who's this guy who is just making a calls? You
a friend of yours?
Speaker 2 (01:09):
That gentleman would be a scammer and pretty common scammer
right now too. We get these these scam calls. I'd
say there's probably hundreds, if not even thousands going out
every day just in our county alone.
Speaker 1 (01:21):
Yeah, and it's not just him. Here's another one of
these calls.
Speaker 4 (01:24):
Did that's the name is Jill?
Speaker 1 (01:25):
This stipy gave flowers from the business kind of shared department.
Speaker 4 (01:29):
I have some legal minus so signy that needs your
immediate attention. You can give me a callback towards two
two seventy five. Thank you.
Speaker 1 (01:38):
Doesn't have the four four to four prefix there for
a lot of city and county numbers, but people probably
don't know that, and they call back the number. It's
a four oh two number. They I got to see
what's going on here. I either have a warrant and
I need to find out what's going on here, or
I might have a warrant. I don't know. I've done
a lot of shady things, didn't know anyone knew about it.
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They call the number back and what happens next.
Speaker 2 (02:02):
Well, what they do is they'll they'll hook you. So
what they do is they try really hard to capitalize
on your fears, fear of having a warrant, fear of
owing a fine, fear of getting in trouble, and they'll
try to get you into getting in your car driving
with them on the phone. They call it a mobile escort,
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and they'll say, well, if you get stopped by the cops,
just hand the phone out the window and we'll tell
them you're not going to jail for your warrant. Go
to your bank, get five thousand dollars and take it
to the sheriff's office. Once you get to the sheriff's office,
they'll come up with another reason why they have to
divert you from the sheriff's office to a cryptocurrency atm
kiosk somewhere nearby, and they'll have you submit that money
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into that cryptocurrency kiosk, and your money is gone once
that happens.
Speaker 1 (02:52):
It's not illegal to be let's be generous and say ignorant,
it's not illegal. But at this point, are people really
falling for this? Sergeant?
Speaker 3 (03:03):
Every single day, we receive reports and phone calls every
single day We have a dedicated phone line where people
can check these questions and contact us. But we see
reports and thousands and thousands of dollars every day going.
Speaker 1 (03:16):
Out see I say that I can't believe anyone would
fall for this, but I almost fell for a very
common Facebook scam just a few weeks ago. Someone had
hacked someone else's profile and it shows up there. This
isn't someone I know, but we have mutual friends, and
he's a Facebook friend, which isn't uncommon on my page,
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and he's like, hey, dad's moving into assisted living. We
need to sell all this stuff real quick. And so
it was just like twenty items, all of them listed
with a really fair price value, and here's pictures of
all this stuff. But there's always one or two things
in there that are too good to be true, and
like in this case, one of them was a pickup truck.
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I'm an older pickup truck, great condition, low miles, super cheap,
and I jumped all over it, like, gotta do this.
My kid turned sixteen here in about a year, and
I want an old pickup truck. What better time than
now to get it. By the way, I did all
this without consulting with my wife first, and once I
started going back and forth with the guy and Facebook messenger,
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suddenly I was like, this doesn't seem right. Venmo me
down payment so I can hold it for you. I
got a lot of people interested in this. I'm like,
wait a second, and it's a scam. And I almost
fell for it, just because I was, like I wanted
to in the interest of trying to get a good deal,
trying to get something taken care of. I was hasty
about it.
Speaker 2 (04:39):
And you're not alone. I mean, here's the deal. Doctors, lawyers, seniors,
younger professionals. Even recently, we just got to call recently
from a command officer in another police agency who was
getting lured actually his relative was getting lured into one
of these scams, and they weren't sure if it was
legitimate or not. These folks are very very good at
(05:03):
setting the stage to trick folks, and that's why we're
working so hard to educate folks and also spread the
word about our scam line four two four four four
scam scam at seven two two six, because we need
to stop people's thought process and kick them back into reality.
Otherwise they'll lose thousands.
Speaker 1 (05:23):
All right, So first things first, Sergeant, the Douglas County
Sheriff's Department, and I don't imagine any local law enforcement
ever tries to settle warrants or anything over the phone
with five thousand dollars in cryptocurrency, right, that's correct. So
if you if you have an outstanding warrant or something,
or the Sheriff's department needs to talk with you, what
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is the process. They usually try and reach out.
Speaker 3 (05:47):
If you've got a warrant, We're gonna try and come
find you. If we can't find you, we'll give you
a call. We'll try and make some connection with you
if we cannot find you. But we're never going to
call you, ask for money, ask for a gift card,
ask for cryptocurrency, I have any.
Speaker 1 (06:00):
Yeah, it's just they might call you, but we're not
asking for a gift card or whatever, never.
Speaker 3 (06:06):
Gonna ask for payment to Clara warrant.
Speaker 2 (06:07):
You're gonna have to be booked. I mean that's you
wish you could, you wish you could avoid the booking process,
But if you have a warrant, you're gonna have to
be booked and then you pay your money at the
at the correctional facility.
Speaker 1 (06:18):
The Grandma scam, where people would get called sometimes the
middle of the night and this voice would just say Grandma,
and suddenly your grandma is like, Mike, you know what,
and yeah, it's me, Mike, And then they try and
get her to wire money because I'm on vacation in
Brazil and I got to get out of this and
I can't get old of my parents. Can you help
me out? And I'll do anything for my baby, even
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though this doesn't really sound like him, and I didn't
know he was in Brazil. So the people stationed in
those wire transfer places like supermarkets or banks or whatever,
they tell people, I think you're being scammed. Let's try
and get to the bottom of this. Are there any
such signs or anything there some of these cryptocurrency stations.
Speaker 2 (06:59):
Two things we're trying to do. Number One, we're working
with a city councilwoman Amy Milton. She's going to propose
an ordinance that there has to be a warning placard
on any cryptocurrency kiosk in the city limits of Omaha.
Hopefully we can extend that to a state law, but
you know, warning them. So here's our scam line number.
If you're paying money here. This will never happen here.
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But secondly, now we are proactively going to some of
these businesses that have these cryptocurrency kiosks, and we're talking
to their corporate leadership and saying, look, would you set
up a lawn chair by your front door and let
Pooky the meth dealer sell dope right there at your
front door? Well, of course not. Well why on earth
would you let a cryptocurrency kiosk used primarily by scammers
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to do the same thing. And we're getting really good reception.
If we can cut down these ATM cryptocurrency kiosks in
legitimate businesses, I think we'll really cut down the victims
as well.
Speaker 1 (07:53):
But there are legitimate reasons why someone might try and
trade and do something that people make some money doing
that with a twenty exchange America baby capitalism.
Speaker 2 (08:04):
Yeah sure, But you know what, at least if we
have those locations, we should probably have them in areas
where people at least have eyes wide open that you're
doing exchanges on the on the dark web or or
somewhere where at least it doesn't look like a legitimate
business storefront. And if you do have a legitimate business
and you want it. You should know with full wise,
wide open eyes wide open, what you're exposing your customers.
Speaker 1 (08:26):
So, bottom line, Sergeant John McFarlane, the Douglas County Sheriff's
Apartment is not going to call an extract money from
you over the phone. Never easier that. It could not
be said any easier than that. If you think you're
being scammed, you can call four oh two four four
four scam and they might say, well, if I'm on
the phone with this guy, how am I supposed to call?
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What should they do? If they suddenly they're on the phone,
now they're driving somewhere, and then suddenly it dawns on them. Now,
wait a second, I don't know if this is legitimate.
What should they do?
Speaker 3 (08:55):
They don't think it's legitimate?
Speaker 4 (08:56):
Hang up?
Speaker 3 (08:57):
Call the Sheriff's office. Call nine one one, Call anybody
question what's going on? Question the Sheriff's Office. Hey, somebody
called me said I have a warrant. They want me
to buy some gift cards, they want me to get
some cryptocurrency. We can walk you through the steps. We
can check if you have a warrant and give your
guidance on what to do. We can let you know
you don't have a warrant and tell you what not
to do in the future.
Speaker 1 (09:18):
At a Sergeant John McFarlane, Douglas County Sheriff's Department. We've
also got Sheriff Aaron Hanson with US Sheriff. We talked
a lot about warrants with some of these phone calls.
I want to talk about that which has been in
the news here recently, and you might get the impression
that this is like the one time that Omaha police.
(09:39):
But of course, your former Omaha Police, former Omaha Police
Union president, a member of the Gang Task Force, You've
been involved in everything. So that's why I'm coming to
you for this, not because I want you to adjudicate
this one case, but this case here of Omaha Police
serving a no knock warrant on someone who en end
(10:00):
up getting shot. In that situation, people get the impression
like I thought, these were banned and we shouldn't do them,
and I probably the one time we've done it. The
guy who led that team has done I think one
hundred and twenty two of them, and you haven't heard
this kind of story breaking out like it did the
other day here. What are your thoughts as a law
(10:22):
enforcement professional on no knock warrants.
Speaker 2 (10:26):
Yeah, no knock warrants are. They are a reality of
a dangerous profession. And that doesn't mean that law enforcement
agencies across the nation don't take exceptional steps to try
to avoid either executing a no knock warrant if you
don't need to, or executing as safely as you can.
(10:49):
And so what people need to understand is there's really
two types of warrants that are going to occur in
a structure. You either have what's called a knock and
announced warrant or you have an knock warrant. The knock
and announce warrant is a long duration of an officer
pounding on the door with a team behind them and
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other officers or deputies surrounding the perimeter of the house
announcing their presence, announcing that they have a warrant demanding
entry or that force will be used to enter the house.
And in a typical warrant, if you're talking about a
property crime or even some types of drug dealing, that's
appropriate and it happens every day, but when you're talking
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individuals that pose a significant risk to officers and they're
inside the house and you don't know where they are
inside the house, and you don't know if they're armed,
if they're going to fire upon you with a weapon.
That's where the no knock warrants really become applicable and crucial.
And I can tell you there's even different types of
no knock warrants. Some no knock warrants will result in
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what's called a breach and hold, where you will force
the door open and then the swat team will actively
announce at the door to see if they can elicit
a response, and that avoids the opportunity of being fired
upon by giving that announcement at the door. But when
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you breach and hold, then you're trying to get the
subject to comply. In other circumstances, there does have to
be dynamic entry, and luckily that's why I think in
almost all cases, especially in law enforcement in this area,
those are going to be executed by swat team.
Speaker 1 (12:33):
Let me ask you a couple of things here that
opponents of this kind of activity, and some of them
are just straight up cop haters, but they still I
think have a couple of legitimate questions. One is, I
watch the movies, why can't Richard drive as an Emilio
Astavez or someone do a stakeout and just wait for
the guy to come out and then they arrest him.
Speaker 2 (12:52):
Yeah, great question. So actually, when you do that, there
are some times where that's appropriate, and back in my
old OPD days, we did set up some operations where
that was the safest way to proceed, but in many
many cases it's not because when you allow for a
scenario to evolve out in the public, you don't know
(13:13):
what your backdrop is going to be. That backdrop can
change quickly based on the positioning of the suspect. That
suspect can get into a vehicle quickly that you may
not even known as in play, and so there's so
many unknowns that happen when the suspect all of a
sudden is inserted into an outdoor exterior environment that when
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you can contain, especially a high risk arm suspect to
a house, in many cases that's probably going to be
your safest option.
Speaker 1 (13:43):
Yeah, sometimes you have to go in and extract the cancer.
But let me try and put myself in the shoes
of the cancer in this instance, because look, I think
we all agree that the best scenario is a guy
who's dangerous is arrested, brought before a judge. In some
case this is a jury, and if he's found guilty,
he goes to prison. He sees the error of his
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ways and goes back and leads a nice, productive lifestyle.
That's what everyone wants. So if you've got someone you know,
you don't want to have officers go in there and
just start pulling the trigger here against someone. But if
you have someone who lives a dangerous lifestyle, gang's, drugs,
all kinds of problems, and suddenly people are coming through
(14:25):
your door. It's the middle of the night or whatever,
and it's dark. You don't know who's coming in there.
They say it's the police, and you think, that doesn't
sound like the police. It sounds like a rival gang.
It sounds like coming in here to steal or kill
from me. You grab a gun, or you're try and
do something, you don't comply with the orders, and for
that you get shot. And people say this is heavily
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weighted towards police officers get just getting a chance to
go in there and execute a guy when he's trying
to save his life, when he doesn't know what's going on.
Speaker 2 (14:56):
Well, I think the I think the statistics in reality,
would I would beg to differ. I think that if
you look back at the scenarios, the high risk entries,
the arrest scenarios that happen either in a search warrant
or out in public of individuals who resist either with
or without weapons, by and large, there is no fatality
(15:17):
that occurs at the hands of the police in those situations.
But I think we also have to come to terms
with this.
Speaker 4 (15:22):
Look.
Speaker 2 (15:23):
Being a cop is a risky profession, okay, but we
should not ask police professionals to sacrifice their lives simply
for public perception purposes. They have families, they have spouses,
they have kids, they have mom and dads that they
need to go home to as well. But even more
inherently risky than being a law enforcement officer, quite frankly,
(15:46):
and I'm not talking about this particular case, but in general,
is being an armed criminal. Because you nailed it, how
do you know the person coming through the door is
a police swat team or a Douglas Kinny sheriff swat
team or the opposite gang. You don't know, the Only
way to minimize those chances is don't engage in that
(16:07):
type of lifestyle. I would argue that being an armed
criminal is probably one of the riskiest professions that someone
can have. Ultimately, we have a dangerous, dangerous profession. We
try to take steps through training and professionalism and consistency
and proper equipment to reduce the danger, but there will
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be an inherent risk, not only for law enforcement, but
especially for the armed criminals that lived those type of lifestyle.
Speaker 1 (16:33):
Great information this morning. I appreciate the conversation. As always,
Scott Voys Mornings nine to eleven on news radio eleven
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