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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Scott Gordye's a couple of days ago, we were doing
an early preview of a brand new book out from
someone who I didn't know he could read, let alone
write a book. And I'm sure you've heard that one
a few times in the last week or so. Omaha
Police Chief toadch Matter is here in the studio. Good morning, Chief, Hey,
good Morning's got great to be in the studio. It's
been a while. It was not the content of the
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book that got me. It was the title which here
on the program. Here's a segment from I guess it
was Tuesday Show where we tune turn your book title
into a late night Cinemax movie called Synergy of Influence
Synergy of Influence. Chief Toad Smatern, one of the longest
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serving major city police chiefs in the United States, proudly
announced is the release of his new book, Synergy of
Influence Synergy of Influence s Energy of Influence, starring Emmanuel
leg Stockings. All Right, so we got Lucy giggling there,
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and we had various other actresses starting with you. What
I'm sure will be the made for late night Cinemax
movie based on this book. And I got some feedback
from one person that said, I sent this podcast link
to a friend of mine who's a member of the
Omaha Police Department, and he did not think it was funny. Real,
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how dare he make fun of my chief? And I
get it. He thought I was making fun of you
and the book and everything, and so he was ready
to come in here and you know, do a number
on me. But she talked him down off that ledge.
But well, that's good. Tell me about what the book
is actually about. Yeah, well, first of all, it's got one.
Somebody sent me your little podcast and I could not
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stop laughing. I thought, oh my gosh, this is the
funniest thing I've ever heard. And then I started thinking
to myself, you know, I appreciate it, Scott. Now you
dove into a whole different audience I wasn't even attempting
to get with this. Lots of ways we can reach
people here, so thank you.
Speaker 2 (02:03):
But you know, this book is a collaboration with myself
in the University of Nebraska, Omaha because we both noticed
a void in the criminal justice profession in policing and
as it relates to leadership law enforcement in the media,
and there's a lot of synergy that goes into making
that happen. And you know, you talk about the branches
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of the criminal justice system, police courts and crushings, but
really in today's day and age, it's police courts, corrections,
and how you deal with the media, and so there
really isn't a class nation wide on it. So we
collaborated together to write this book and you know, just
kind of advance this profession, kind of my give back
after twelve years, and we're going to see what we
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can do to you know, educate the student population with
this book. But also because it goes into all the
big moments that ever happened in Omaha over the last
twelve years, it really turned into this provocative read. So
I'm highly highly excited for every get a chance to
read it.
Speaker 1 (03:00):
Yeah, provocative is what I was doing with it. But
you're looking at it from a different perspective here. I
didn't realize that at twelve years as helm of Omaha's
police department, you're one of the longest serving police chiefs
in a major city in America. Why do you think
that is? Why can't people stick around longer, or don't
stick around longer, or whatever it is that leads to
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people not having that kind of tenure.
Speaker 2 (03:24):
Yeah, I mean the average, the average tenure for a
major city chief is one to three years, and a
lot of the just has to do with just the
all the arrows and all the things thrown at you.
It's just it becomes a very stressful situation. In omah
I've had a great supporting cast. I got great people
that work for me. The community has been very good
for me, and so I've been able to last twelve years.
And I you know, there's one guy, there's one chief
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in San Antonio that's been around longer, and he's in
his late sixty Scott. So I'm trying to wait him out.
Want to I want to end being the longest serving
major city chief.
Speaker 1 (03:54):
Well, I think a lot of Omahns would like that,
but as you know, there are some who have a
different and I love that we both had a good
laugh over what I did with the title of your book,
and we've been lucky enough to be able to associate
at different events, the ways that you've roasted Mayor Stothart,
for example, at everyone laughing. You've got to take advantage
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of those times, especially doing what you do, because the
nature of your job is such that a lot of
times people are on calling nine to one one or
you're not looking at what's going on with law enforcement
here in this community because people just wanted to, you know,
tell you what a great job everyone's doing. You got
people who are complaining, you got gripes, you deal with
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some really, really unfortunate things here in this community. I
think some of the response from so called community leaders
and media in this town in the wake of a
couple of high profile incidents where members of law enforcement
had to stop a threat and the wake is like,
here we go again. You know, here we got cops
just shooting black men. It's dangerous to be black in Omaha.
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You've been talking with family members and community leaders. How
do those conversations go when that's their starting point?
Speaker 3 (05:08):
Yeah, absolutely, it's difficult.
Speaker 2 (05:09):
I think one of the reasons I really enjoyed your
your spoof on the title of the book is I
just needed some levity after a couple months. This last
couple of months in Omaha has been extremely tense, especially
as it relates to the two officers involved shootings, but
we've had quite a bit of crime involved in there too.
He had the shooting out at Northwest High School, which
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was a big moment, and a couple homicides, So it's
been it's been a rough couple of months for the
City of Omaha, but that's that's the way it goes.
You're oftentimes known for for how you can address those
spikes and violence because everybody said he's going to have one.
You know, we have community partners that we work with daily,
and we've made tremendous strides together in North Omaha. The
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reduction in crime and the increase in community relations has
just been stellar. So to see this last month really
just peel it all away in one Why we've spent
our time working with the community just building that back up,
and you know, the hardest thing about being chief sometimes
Scott is just managing expectations. What are the expectations, because
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you know, it's a population certainty, you have a million
people in this metro. Things are going to happen. Things
are going to happen. But that doesn't mean that the
whole cart of apples is bad. It doesn't mean that
we can't move forward from it. It means we have
to address what took place and move on with our partnerships.
And that's kind of my talking points as we've been
traversing through this land mine the last couple of months.
Speaker 1 (06:35):
Well, one of these situations, according to the investigation, this
guy jumps over a fence. He has a loaded gun
in his hand, pointed at Omaha police. They fired and
stopped that threat. And then the family or community leaders.
Family can say whatever they want, but community leaders and
some elected officials have come out here and said, well,
he wasn't going to shoot those police officers. He was scared. Sure,
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I don't. I don't know why the message can't be
from you and them say let's come together and talk
about what exactly you need to do when police pull
you over for expired plates, or come through your door
serving a warrant, or anytime you have interaction with police.
If you do these things, you don't get shot. Why
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can't that be the message?
Speaker 2 (07:24):
That is the message, if you know, going back to
my press conference, one of the things one of the
things that I said is, look, I understand there's some inherent,
inherent fear in some of our communities based on historical policing,
maybe based on some disproportionate policing now, but the best
way is compliance. If you comply, you're going to be
as safe as possible. I cannot make it any safer
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by saying anything else other than compliance. And we do
have that dual message with the community. I think they
want to push that out as well. That's kind of
been some of the things that we've talked about this
last couple of months because Scott our used to forced
force policy, you know, and we analyze these things to
a level that I would love for the public to
see sometime. You know, it says, once that officer feels
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threatened in the deadly forced manner, and once the gun
started to be pointed towards him, whether it doesn't matter
the circumstance, that officer has an obligation, has a right
to protect themselves. And on that shooting, the officer said, look,
it's gone long, long, far enough for me, and I
feel my life's in jeopardy.
Speaker 1 (08:28):
In the as we talk here with Omaha Police Chief
TODs Smatter on news radio eleven to ten kfab in
the no nock search warrant situation, and I know you've
covered this and I'm not going to extract any information
from you today unless, of course, you volunteer it. About
there's got to be something more to this story that
we don't know because we have the county attorney take
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a look at the situation and say, I think the
police officer was justified in his actions. You've had the
Omaha Police Union, who I think you enjoy a pretty
good relationship with, even though you're the management and they're
the union. It seems like it's a decent enough relationshipsp
it is, and they both said the officer didn't do
anything wrong necessarily. In this case, you said that something
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happened there that didn't make you comfortable with this officer.
It been with the force for a long time, has
taken down some of the most dangerous people Omaha has
ever seen. You felt like he no longer needs to
be part of the police force. Now that's going to
be up to a different body now to decide it.
This has happened before where you said that officer needs
to be terminated. You had a group look into it
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and say, nope, we're going to reinstate the officer. Now
they got to go back to work with you. How
that's got to be a pretty awkward situation. How is
this one plane out? What? There's got to be something
we don't know, is what I'm saying here.
Speaker 2 (09:54):
Well, well, of course you would. You would assume that
I would know far more about the investigation than the
general public. And we do have employment laws and contractual
agreements that prevent me from going too deep into the
internal affairs process. But the one thing that I can
say is there's two different layers. One there's the criminal threshold,
and that's much higher to meet. And you know, I
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even said in my press release, I did not see
any criminal intent on the part of the officer. We've
vetted this matter so deeply for two weeks and I
just didn't see any So I concur with that aspect. However,
our policy and procedures violations was my job to overlay
that onto that particular incident, and it did not meet
our deadly forced policy. And that's not a singular position
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of the Omaha Police Department's chief. That is a collection
of a lot of people that have come to that
conclusion after analyzing this.
Speaker 1 (10:49):
I don't know if we're going to know for sure
what exactly happened there, but you know, I imagine though
that you've got other Omaha law enforcement personnel saying this
guy had been with the forest for a long time.
He's done a great job for us over the years.
He was the lead guy here and taking down a
very dangerous person in Omaha, and he no longer has
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a job. What does that mean for me in my
future here with the Omaha Police Department.
Speaker 2 (11:16):
Sure, there is obviously going to be that feeling. What
I would say, Scott is this, we don't.
Speaker 3 (11:23):
We don't.
Speaker 2 (11:23):
We're not going to lower our standards just because the
situation was difficult. We have standards in place, and if
I don't have those standards in place, then I open
up this agency. Two things that aren't going to be
good for the community. We have standards, we have a
policy in place. And if you're asking me to lower
those standards because because somebody has had a great career
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or because they've entered into a hard situation, and I'll
stipulate to those, but we have a policy and we
have standards, and those did not get it here too
on that moment.
Speaker 1 (11:52):
I know that you've got a lot to deal with.
We've got video now of some guy has beaten some
guy with his own crutch at a South Omaha business.
The other day, we had a guy, you know, charged
with hit and run who had numerous felony convictions in California,
including hit and run. Here he is in our community,
and it seems like in a lot of instances, you
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guys are constantly arresting the same people who don't get
held at all or very long by the justice system.
Do you feel like the state legislature and other bodies
are doing enough to keep dangerous people off the streets
the same guys that you guys are arresting all the time?
Speaker 3 (12:32):
I think is?
Speaker 2 (12:32):
I think is as it relates to adults in our community.
I think the county Attorney does an incredible job with
with how he vets which cases to bring forward and
is very successful with a high, high high rate of
convictions when they do go to court. My concern isn't
that is a brovo homing door as it relates to
juvenile justice in our community. If you look at the
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overlay of our crime, the spite our crime is way
way down. What spiked up is the juvenile violent crime.
And I'm not saying that they need to be locked
up forever, But what I am saying is the rehabilitation
process of our juvenile justice system it is not working
to its capacity in Omaha. Otherwise we wouldn't see this
level of reoffending by the same juveniles over and over
and over again. And to some degree is this if
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if they don't have a home life that's able to
help them with their rehabilitation, help them with their growth
into adulthood, then perhaps we do need to consider getting
them that help withinside of facility so the community is
safe and that individual is safe as well. That's the
one thing that people don't get is when when you're
out committing violent crime, you can often be the next
victim today's you know, violent offenders oftentimes tomorrow's victims. So
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it's keeping everybody safe. The thing is, how do you
vet those violent, violent juveniles at this point in time
and provide the appropriate rehabilitation to them.
Speaker 1 (13:51):
What would you like to see fixed there other than
the young individuals themselves and their parents stepping up and
doing the right thing, which apparently isn't happening.
Speaker 2 (13:58):
Yeah, obviously, you know, sometimes it takes a village to
raise on me. Obviously, the first thing starts at home,
and that that stable home life. If you're unfortunate or
start behind the starting line and don't have that, then
the justice system has to take more of a parenting role.
And what I would like to see is when those
particular juveniles go in front of a judge that they
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take that into consideration. And then also there are some
laws that have really hamstrung this. If you can commit
violent crimes and be a danger to society if you're twelve,
if you're thirteen, and the law doesn't provide for any
redress on that.
Speaker 1 (14:35):
All right, let's go back to the book here. What's
the title of it again, It's called Synergy of Influence
Where can people get Synergy of Influence? You can go
to Synergy of Influence dot com. It's a website. It's
our website and you can see all our social media
on there as well. The book is forty nine nine
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for the hardcover and the ebook is forty four ninety
nine Scott. It'll reverse you to the biggest moments that
have happened in Omaha. So if you're interested in in
the big crimes that we've had here, in the signature
monumental events we've had, it's going to give you more
than you've ever known before. Now, now enough time has passed,
we can get into it and really really the opening
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chapter is. It is a tear jerker, but it's historically
significant to our community. So I really encourage everybody to
read it for that historical perspective. I can imagine, I
know what that first chapter is all about. Do you
want me to do the audiobook? I can do that.
I can read it with the little music in the background.
Speaker 2 (15:34):
And I would love to tune in on my drive
to work and hear that audiobook playing in your studio.
Speaker 3 (15:40):
I need the laughs every now and then.
Speaker 1 (15:41):
Synergy of Influence is the books Energy of Influence dot
Com and it is what not available on like Amazon,
Barnes and Noble, all those places.
Speaker 3 (15:51):
It will be, it will be right now.
Speaker 2 (15:53):
We're doing a pre launch because we're under a non
disclosure agreement until that's done, and then we can open
it up everywhere.
Speaker 1 (15:58):
And then what time is it on tonight on Cinemax?
Speaker 2 (16:02):
I thought you said it was ten thirty pm Cinemax.
And there's a new set of characters on there tonight
as well too.
Speaker 1 (16:07):
That's right. Busty leg Stockings, Hoots McGee, and Todschmater star
in Synergy of Influence it.
Speaker 3 (16:18):
Scott, are you gonna tell me who was upset?
Speaker 1 (16:20):
About I don't I don't know his name. I just
heard from a friend, Like I thought that was funny.
I shared it with a cop buddy of mine and
he did not appreciate it. But I'm glad that you
didn't come in here to punch me. No, I appreciated
it too. Thank you, Forking Omaha Polis chief Toauchmater Here
Scott Boys Mornings nine to eleven on news radio eleven
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