October 22, 2024 • 33 mins
David Zebolsky of Nebraskans Embracing Life says it doesn't go far enough. Sarah Louise Peterson and Dan Witt contend it's what Nebraska needs right now.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Scott Vorgies in about an hour and a half from now.
We've got some people with sidewalks, Sidewalk Advocates for Life.
They want you to vote yes on initiative for thirty four.
They want you to vote for that. They say it's
a pro life initiative that pro life Nebraskans should support.
We have a guest to start the program here today,
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Pro life guy. The organization is Nebraskan's Embracing Life. He's
their chairman. David Zibolski is here. Pro life individual says
that Nebraska is four thirty four pro life bill is
not pro life enough. David, good morning, and welcome to
eleven to ten kfab.
Speaker 2 (00:38):
Good morning, and thank you for having me. I'd like
to offer a Christian prayer of unity in this culture
where we are, you know, really we're really discussing the
terms of the death of innocent children in the womb,
which is a horrifying topic, and to just bring us
together in our common faith. And I know there's non
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Christians that we invite to pray also, but please join
me in this prayer. Our Father, who are in heaven,
Hallowed be thy name, Thy Kingdom, Come, Thy will be
done on earth as it is in Heaven. Give us
this day our daily bread, and forgive us our trespasses,
as we forgive those who trespass against us. And lead
us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil. For
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the Kingdom, the power, and the glory are yours now
and forever.
Speaker 3 (01:27):
Amen.
Speaker 1 (01:27):
Amen, I appreciate you doing that, David, Thank you very much.
There will be some who'll say, then, why don't you
support this initiative that will protect the unborn?
Speaker 2 (01:37):
Yeah, thank you. I think we all understand that Initiative
four thirty nine is a diabolical, unlimited abortion initiative, and
maybe it's a given that we're all going to be
against that. And if Nebraskans are all against that, and
we have a definite pro life majority in this state,
four thirty nine will fall flat. Most Nebraskans we know
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from demographic are Christian. Again, there are non Christians in
our numbers, and we always invite non Christians to join us.
But this majority, maybe the demographics show fifty to fifty
in this area in the metropolitan area, but across Nebraska
and especially in rural Nebraska, you see those numbers increase dramatically.
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So in a Christian state, we could recognize the child
and the woman reject it on its face, and we'll
all have that opportunity to vote against four thirty nine,
where we do have unity and understanding that this is
a diabolical evil that was presented a year ago. Our
organization was one of the very first to speak out
against it and to offer active information against four thirty
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nine from when it was originally announced back in November
of last year. So you can't accuse us of wanting
this initiative to pass in any way, shape or form.
Speaker 1 (02:52):
Yeah, just to clarify, there are two initiatives related to
the subject of abortion. One that you're referring to. Four
thirty nine says that you can have an abortion in
Nebraska up until fetal viability, which is a bit of
a vague term here. And then you've got four to
thirty four that says that after the first trimester, essentially
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after the first twelve weeks, no abortions in Nebraska except
for the case of life of the mother and incest rape,
that kind of thing. And the pro life groups here
really pushing people to vote for for thirty four. You
are a Christian pro life organization. You say don't vote
for this, why not?
Speaker 2 (03:33):
Yeah? The reason is is several problems with it. It's
really an inadequate would be the friendliest term I could
give it response to four thirty nine. No one wants
for thirty nine to pass, but to say that will
be in a catastrophic state is true a state of abortion.
And if for thirty nine passes, but we're already in
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a catastrophic state. It's really important to understand that our
existing abortion life five seventy four allows for abortion up
to twelve weeks and also allows for rape, incest, and
medical emergency definitions in the statute. So we're opposed to
that law. It's not in any way, shape or form
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of pro life law because we know that. I think
in twenty twenty two there were twenty five hundred reported
abortions and that was reduced. But when you talk about
five seventy four, it's really important to remember.
Speaker 1 (04:28):
That it also four seventy four.
Speaker 2 (04:31):
Well, while I'm speaking of LB five seventy four, that's
the existing abortion law in Nebraska. It also allows miners
to access gender drugs, which are fertility destroying in every case.
So it's important to remember that the existing abortion law
Nebraska is diabolically evil. That allows for thousands and thousands
of abortions, to say nothing of the in vitro fertilization
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abortions and contraceptive abortions. So four thirty four will not
reduce abortion even by one life. That's why we oppose
it because it does not. There is no incremental progress.
The problem is if it allows first trimester abortions, and
we've asked our attorneys this and they're all concerned it.
Does it expand abortion from twelve weeks to thirteen and
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a half weeks, which is the extent of first trimester.
Does the term sexual assault We know nationally they didn't
use the word rape because rape is clearly defined and
it's a reportable crime. They use sexual assault, which means
it could be it could be any excuse for abortion.
So so if you look, if you just do some
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research and look at this, it's an expansion. It's a
term of expansion of abortion. We're very, very concerned with that,
and we cannot condone these abortions for any reason. So
that's our disappointment with four thirty four that it's just
a very I guess, a lame response to four thirty nine.
That's why we're a post.
Speaker 1 (05:54):
Everyone's got to vote. They're conscious on this. And you say, well,
no one wants four to thirty nine to pass. You
know that's not true. There are a lot of people
in the state of Nebraska who are actively out there
campaigning and hoping that four thirty nine passes because they
say it allows for expanded freedom of women to decide
what happens with their own bodies. Let's say, forsake of conversation,
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you disagree with that assessment. This is I want to
drill down a little bit further here into what you're
talking about here, because pro life people say, I think
that they hold hands with you on one front. Here.
They say, yes, Nebraska does allow abortions up until twelve weeks.
Nearly every single abortion in Nebraska happens within that twelve
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week period.
Speaker 3 (06:39):
Exactly.
Speaker 1 (06:40):
You have an amendment here that doesn't stop the abortions
that are happening in Nebraska. But they say this would
allow future versions of the Nebraska legislature to continue to
move things and maybe get it back to eight weeks
or four or five weeks. You know, they say this
gives us the opportunity to continue to have this. The
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legislature wors four to thirty nine. It's a state constitutional
amendment that's almost impossible to get rid of. That's why
they say you've got to vote for four thirty four.
It's a step in the right direction. To that, David,
you'd say.
Speaker 2 (07:12):
Well, if four thirty four is passed on November fifth,
it'll be the new standard of abortion in Nebraska that
we're all going to have to fight against because it
allows all of these abortions to occur. Four thirty four
is not a step in the right direction. It's not
going to it's not going to be safer for a
baby in the womb, and it's not going to improve
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the climate for the child in the womb. Remember what
we're discussing here is so diabolically evil, the destruction of
an innocent child in the womb. And you mentioned pro
life people, but that the numbers are so high. Where
I mentioned twenty five hundred and seven or so abortions
from surgical and prescribed chemical, But that's to say nothing
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of all the thousands of abortions that occur every year
from in vitro fertilization, the thousands more from contraceptive use
all the diabolical medical research abortions. These abortions are not reported,
and all of those thousands of abortions will continue with
four thirty four. So yeah, there's going to be a
tick up in abortion with four thirty nine. But it's
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it's it's we reject both of these horrible evils. There's
nothing immoral, there's nothing christian. We're being accused of not
supporting a pro life initiative. It's not a pro life initiative.
It doesn't it doesn't protect women or children. What women
or children does it protect? Zero? There are no abortions
in the second and third trimester unless they're accepted by
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this initiative, So it does not protect women and children.
So it's it's deceptive on its face. So you know,
it's just we.
Speaker 3 (08:49):
Have to we have.
Speaker 2 (08:50):
Abortion is a grave moral evil. For anybody to recognize
this evil, I encourage you to watch a fetal development
video EHD so you can see for yourself. You know,
if you're on the pro choice side, take a look
at a child developing in the womb and decide for yourself.
Everybody's in a different place on this. Decide for yourself
if you would kill that child. You know, you watch
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a fetal development video, it's miraculous to see a child
developing in her mother's womb. How could you ever destroy
that life? These poisons with surgical tools. You know, it's
just so it's so disgusting to even talk about. It's
such a despicable, evil crime that I can't put words
to it.
Speaker 1 (09:29):
That's David Zubolski here, chairman of Nebraskan's Embracing Life. I
want to ask you about something that is already starting
to stack up here with the people emailing. And they
they're not necessarily disagreeing with you, it's certainly not on
this last point you're making, but they say, here's the
big reason why we have to vote for four thirty four.
So we'll pick up there and continue our conversation with David.
Speaker 3 (09:52):
Next right here, Scott Voice News Radio eleven ten KFAB initiative.
Speaker 1 (10:00):
I should probably read the language on this one. This
is on your ballot in the state of Nebraska, says
a vote four will amend the Nebraska Constitution to provide
that except when a woman seeks an abortion necessitated by
a medical emergency, or when the pregnancy results from sexual
assault or incest, unborn children shall be protected from abortion
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in the second and third trimesters. That is a vote
four initiative four thirty four. Pro life groups say we
got to vote for this because there's also four thirty
nine out there which would allow a fundamental right to
abortion in Nebraska's constitution until fetal viability, which is a
vague term defined here in the initiative as the point
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in the pregnancy when, in the professional judgment of the
patient's treating healthcare practitioner, there's a significant likelihood of the
fetus's sustained survival outside the uterus without the application of
extraordinary medical measures. Is purposely vague on there. So pro
life groups say you got to vote four to thirty.
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You got to vote four four to thirty four, because
if both of these pass, it comes down to which
everyone gets the most votes. We're talking here with the
chairman of Nebraskan's Embracing Life. They're online at Nebraskan's Embracinglife
dot org. David Zubolski is with us on news radio
eleven to ten KFA being he's been talking about how
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he's a pro life individual that says four to thirty
four isn't good enough, Most if not all, of the
abortions that currently take place in Nebraska are within this threshold. Therefore,
it's a pro life bill that doesn't actually save lives.
So people are emailing saying, but it's about this horse race, David,
It's about which one gets the most votes and then
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what the unicamera might be able to do after the fact.
Does that sway your decision on this one way or
the other?
Speaker 2 (11:53):
No, there's two propositions here, one of them for thousands
and thousands of abortions and one of them for thousands
and thousands of abortion and a few hundred more. So
we reject them both. We can do that where where
it's not one or the other. It's not a lesser
of two evils argument like a candidate race where you're
going to get one or the other. This is a
this is a situation where you can reject both of them,
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and we wholeheartedly encourage everyone in Nebraska, where we have
a demographic majority, to vote against both of these diabolically
evil initiatives that allow abortion. Surely we can agree that
we can do better as a state. You said, trust
the legislature. You know, the legislature has only twice in
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the fifty year history restricted the abortion numbers.
Speaker 1 (12:38):
I'm not saying trust the legislature. Well, I've watched these guys.
Speaker 2 (12:41):
Yeah, I mean, I mean, you know, generally, so we
can't trust these politicians unfortunately, to represent faithful Nebraskans. I
wish we could. We wouldn't have abortion if we could,
so we have to bypassing the legislature with an amendment
is a great idea. But if your amendment is a
lot showing the majority of all abortions, in fact, all
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of these abortions that happened in Nebraska one hundred percent
will continue and possibly expand with either one of these initiatives,
but which both, by the way, allow for abortion up
to birth. This is a moral evil that even pro
choice people oppose. You know, we cannot sacrifice our innocent
children by the thousand in this state. If you do
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a conservative estimate for all abortions from conception, we've crossed
the half million mark in our history. We have to
stop killing our children and beg for mercy from God,
repent as a culture, and start respecting sacred human life.
Christian or non Christian. Can't we agree to elevate our
respect for human life in the womb. We have to
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evolve it as a culture to stop destroying our own
for our selfish reasons. We have to put our hearts
in every child conceived.
Speaker 1 (13:53):
I want you to hear the words of Sandy Dank.
She was on Dave and Aberdey Show a couple of
saturdays ago here on eleven ten KFI. She is the
executive director of Nebraska Right for Life, and I think
you did as well think that she was talking about
your organization when she told Dave this on eleven ten KFAB.
Speaker 4 (14:12):
There's a group that comes out of Omaha that is
opposing four thirty four because it does not have a
complete and total ban, and so consequently they are spreading
the word around the state to vote no against both
four thirty four and four to thirty nine. Very destructive,
very dangerous, because that only helps the abortion industry.
Speaker 1 (14:34):
The accusation here is that you are essentially propping up
Initiative four to thirty nine, which pro lifers agree is
an incredibly pro choice bill. You're helping the abortion industry
if indeed she's talking about you.
Speaker 2 (14:47):
Okay. I love Sandy Dank. I love she's done such
great things for life down down with her organization, Nebraska
Right to Life, and I have great respect for Nebraska
Right to Life. On this issue. There a lot uh
destruction and danger. That's that's what you're presenting to the
child in the womb. That's where the destructive and the
danger is. We can reject both of these initiatives. We're
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safe with our with our pro life majority in Nebraska
to reject both of these propositions. We cannot defend abortion
with abortion. So respectfully, I would say to Sandy that
let's be concerned about danger and destruction in the womb
of this child. We're not We're not, you know, causing destruction.
We're We're illuminating with the light of Christ the truth.
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Why are we being misled? Why are being we being
told that our existing law is pro life when it
allows for thousands and thousands of abortions. Why is this
called protect women and children when it not only does
it not protect women and children, it allows every abortion
kills a child, every abortion hurts a mother. We cannot,
we cannot get lost in this confusion. We have to remember,
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just take one abortion, that the ramifications of the emotional
and physical healing that a mother has to has to endure.
Speaker 1 (16:04):
Is just got a news break coming up here in
a second, So I want to jump in here by
saying there was another initiative the petition Drives out there
that I think was more closely aligned with what you're saying,
and that was rejected by Nebraska potential voters who didn't
sign that petition enough. Some of the people talked about
that and said that it would have banned things like
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the Morning After pill or as you mentioned earlier, IVF
in vitro fertilization. Are your views on pro life too
extreme for mainstream Nebraskans, including those who consider themselves pro life.
Speaker 2 (16:37):
We were very limited on our timeline when we were
locked out of churches, and we hope that we'll present
this again. You're speaking of choose life now, dot Net.
I mean we're you know we're not. I'm not any
better than you, Scott. I'm not any better than a
young child just because of my age, and that young
child is not any better than a younger child. I'm
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not any better than any disabled person, the most severely
disabled person. I'm not superior to a child one day
or one month or two months or three months before
birth is not inferior to us. We are not God.
We cannot destroy this life so that we can have
what we want. The younger the child, the more we
should protect that vulnerable child, the more innocent that child.
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So yes, from conception, God imbues a soul into in
that human being. It's a human life with complete DNA
to carry it through the rest of its life. We
should have enough integrity in our culture to respect sacred
human life in the womb. We need to evolve to
become a true pro life society where the word pro
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life means we respect every We respect and offer every
dignity to every human life from the moment of conception.
So yes, we're against in vitro fertilization, abortions. Yes we're
against the abortifacient contraceptives.
Speaker 1 (17:57):
The organization is Nebraskans Embrace Life. It's Nebraskan's Embracinglife dot org.
Give another website as.
Speaker 2 (18:03):
Well, chooselifeanow dot net.
Speaker 1 (18:06):
That is their chairman, David Zabolski. Here interesting conversation. David,
I appreciate you coming in here and having it with
us this morning.
Speaker 2 (18:12):
Thank you and praise be Jesus Christ now and forever.
Speaker 1 (18:15):
Absolutely an Amen. We've got some with an organization called
Sidewalk Advocates for Life that say that you have to
vote yes on four thirty four. You'll hear from them
in just over an hour from now. Just to let
you know, David, some of the responses here in the inbox,
everything from Christopher emailing saying David is spot on. Thank
you for having him in there. Tory says, your guest
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is so dangerously foolish on this matter. So we've run
the spectrum this morning. Thank you, thank you very much
so much. Coming in Fox News Update next, Scott Voice,
News Radio eleven ten kfbaby. I want to welcome a
couple of individuals who have worked on behalf of pro
life causes. They're here representing only themselves though this morning.
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Sarah Peterson and Dan Witt, welcome back to news radio
eleven ten KFAB both you.
Speaker 5 (19:05):
Thank you, Scott, good to be here.
Speaker 1 (19:07):
Great to have you here. So you just heard David's
argument saying that lives would not be protected by Initiative
four thirty four. Therefore, he says people who are pro
life should not vote for this. Tell me why he's wrong.
Speaker 6 (19:23):
Well, the thing of this is, and thanks for having
us Scott, it's all about protecting women and children. This
whole two initiatives. It comes down to, are we protecting women,
children and families. And the thing about four three four
is that it would not change what is the law
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right now in Nebraska. The law right now that has
been for a while is that abortions are legal up
to twelve weeks, and then after twelve weeks they are illegal. Now,
that will maintain that current protection.
Speaker 1 (20:01):
But his argument is is that we already have all
these abortions happening within twelve weeks. Very few abortions in
Nebraska happen after twelve weeks, so we're not actually saving
any lives. That's what he says, right, I understand, and
the statistics do bear that out.
Speaker 6 (20:16):
And the thing is if they happen after twelve weeks,
they shouldn't. Now, I understand this is a new thing
about the protecting the babies and having no abortions in
the second and third trimester, but it would put it
in the constitution. So that's a big deal to change
the constitution to have it be illegal to have an
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abortion in the second and third trimester, But it also
maintains current protections regarding safeguarding it regard this regards the
ladies that are young have to now in the current
view that we have the current landscape, that are young
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have to get informed consent and they also have to
have parental knowledge.
Speaker 1 (21:06):
How young are we talking about thirteen twelve?
Speaker 6 (21:09):
And then what happens with voting against four three four
to three four three nine makes it so they're going
to not have any protection for parental consent nor parental knowledge. Also,
the whole point of health and safety regulations that will
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stay if.
Speaker 5 (21:33):
We do four three four. If not, then.
Speaker 6 (21:37):
Under four to threety nine, Scott, they're not even gonna
let any abortion facility get any kind of a health inspection.
You have to have a nail salon be inspected, but
then they wouldn't inspect the abortion facility under four thirty nine.
Speaker 1 (21:52):
It doesn't say that in the in the language on
four thirty nine. Let's just say for sake of conversation
here that all the pro lifers Nebraska are going to
vote against four thirty nine. David wasn't arguing in favor
of four to thirty nine. He says, absolutely vote against
four thirty nine. It's pro choice. So you talk with
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with women who want to go through this. Put take
put all of your notes down, and speak to me
from the heart.
Speaker 3 (22:18):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (22:19):
He says all the abortions that happen in Nebraska will
still happen in Nebraska under four thirty four, and that's
why he says pro life people shouldn't vote for you.
You're pointing to Dan. Dan Witt is also here on
eleven ten, kfab speak to that.
Speaker 7 (22:33):
Please an equal argument, and in my view, even in
a stronger argument Scott for voting four Initiative four thirty
four is that there's the risk that four thirty nine
could pass. The reason we differ with the folks that
were on the radio earlier. They're making the assumption that
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four thirty nine is going to fail. If that if
we knew that were true, I could listen to the
other arguments. But I think that is a very dangerous,
risky assumption. I don't believe it myself personally. I think
we are at great risk in the state of Nebraska
that Measure four thirty nine could prevail, could pass. I'm
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afraid it might. It shouldn't in this state, in this
pro life state, it should fail. But I'm afraid it
could pass, and if it does, the only way we
can stop it is to also pass four thirty four
and get more yes votes on four thirty four than
on four thirty nine. That's why we have to vote
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yes on four thirty four, is to be more positive
with that initiative than the four thirty nine initiative.
Speaker 1 (23:50):
Perhaps, since we have both of these initiatives, one much
more pro choice, the other one much more pro life.
If both of them pass, it comes down to whichever
one has the most votes. But if both of them fail,
then we're back to the drawing board here. And our
guest earlier said both of them should fail because it's
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not because four thirty four doesn't protect the abortions already
happening in Nebraska.
Speaker 3 (24:17):
Is he wrong.
Speaker 7 (24:19):
About how many abortions are?
Speaker 1 (24:23):
He says, all the abortions will still happen in Nebraska
under four thirty four.
Speaker 7 (24:26):
The majority of them will, A high percentage of them will.
But what if it's just one life that's saved.
Speaker 3 (24:32):
Is that not worth it?
Speaker 7 (24:34):
There are going to be lives saved if four thirty
four is approved. It may not be a high percentage
of the current number of abortions, but some lives will
be saved. That's of ultimate value, that lives will be saved.
But even greater, as greater, possibly greater, is that there
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is a definite risk that four thirty nine could be
proved and we have to have more yes votes for
four thirty four than four to thirty nine gets or
four thirty nine goes into the constitution.
Speaker 1 (25:08):
Well, I'm very curious to see what happens with four
thirty nine. If if, as you say, if voters all
show up in this very red state and they vote
consistently against four thirty nine, then it won't pass. But
when I hear two different pro life voices on the
radio with me this morning here on news radio eleven
ten kfab one saying vote against it, it doesn't protect life,
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and you are saying, now vote for it. You might
even say you might save one life. I see the
pro life groups fighting amongst themselves. Well, I see rallies
full of pro choice people out there saying we want
autonomy over our bodies. Men like Dan Witt can't tell
us what to do. We think you should vote for
four to thirty nine. They have a cohesive voice together
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here is one unit, And I hear squabbling on the
other side here. It makes me wonder what's going to
pass here, and it makes a lot of pro life
people wonder the same thing.
Speaker 7 (26:04):
My belief, my feeling, Scott, is that of all the
pro life Nebraskans that are passionate about this issue, I
feel that probably ninety to ninety five percent of them
support the position that I am espousing. They support voting
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yes on four thirty four. The number of folks that
believe that voting no on four thirty four is a
good strategy is a very small number of folks. That's
my belief. I think it's a very small number. I
think it's unfortunate that anybody thinks that's a good strategy,
or as being told it's a good strategy. I think
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it's a bad strategy. I have to speak my belief.
I think it's a horrible strategy. I think it's a
dangerous strategy, and none of us pro lifers should buy
into this dangerous strategy risking that for thirty nine could
go into effect.
Speaker 1 (27:02):
I did bring up to him that I thought perhaps
Nebraska's had told him that his view was too extreme,
and I'll explain that in just a moment, and then Sarah,
I want to come back to you for your thoughts
on that as well. We're talking here with that's Dan
Witt Sarah Luise Peterson, both urging you to vote for
Initiative four thirty four. Will rejoin the conversation here in
just a moment, Scott voices News Radio eleven ten kfab
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two guests in the studio who work on behalf of
a pro life organization, but for purposes of today's conversation
there representing themselves here as concerned citizens who want to
see Initiative for thirty four pass. That was Dan Witt
you heard from a moment ago. Sarah Luise Peterson here
as well, and I'm Scott Vhees talked earlier with David Zabolski.
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Now he's pro life. He says that this initiative forour
thirty four does not protect the abortions already happening in Nebraska. Now,
his organization put forth a petition Nebraska voters that would
have done things like the Morning After pill would be outlawed,
be banned in Nebraska. IVF would be banned in Nebraska.
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And I said, are you are some of your thoughts
here too extreme for mainstream Nebraskans, including those who consider
themselves pro life. Do you feel like that's the case,
because he says this bill doesn't protect life as much
as what he wants to see done.
Speaker 5 (28:25):
Thank you, Scott.
Speaker 6 (28:28):
I would say that even though this measure, ballot initiative
four three four is up and I'm going to vote
for it, it is not perfect.
Speaker 5 (28:38):
It is not perfect. There's going to be more chances.
Speaker 6 (28:41):
However, after this bill, we hope this ballot initiative, we
hope passes for more legislation to move the metronome side
over to more and more protection of preborn babies.
Speaker 1 (28:58):
Well, I've heard that, but it does I may read
the language here. A vote four Initiative four thirty four
will amend the Nebraska Constitution to provide that, except when
a woman seeks an abortion necessitated by a medical emergency,
or when the pregnancy results from sexual assault or incest,
unborn children shall be protected from abortion in the second
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and third trimesters. This is in the Nebraska Constitution. It
doesn't say the legislature can move it back. They couldn't
move it passed into the second or third trimesters. But
people I've heard say, well, they could move it earlier.
I see a mend the Nebraska Constitution, and then the
argument is, well, do we want to put not perfect
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in the Nebraska Constitution.
Speaker 6 (29:43):
Well, but it can go back then it allows and
they've worked on this language with lawyers to make sure
that it is where it needs to be, and the
Nebraska legislature could go, we could go from twelve weeks
down to conception. We could say no abortions from conception on,
which would then take from twelve weeks to the second trimester,
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and we'd have illegal from the moment of conception when
life begins, all the way to the third trimester, and boom,
we have no abortions in Nebraska.
Speaker 1 (30:13):
And they can change that because it doesn't change what
this is by moving it into the second and third
trimesters exactly exactly.
Speaker 5 (30:22):
And what they call it is that they have absolute.
Speaker 6 (30:28):
By way to say, well, we have this twelve zero
to twelve weeks is legal, Well let's move it back.
Let's move it back, and boom, we got conception to
the third trimester illegal.
Speaker 1 (30:41):
But everyone looks at Nebraska says, wow, a real pro life,
real conservative state. Why hasn't our legislature already done.
Speaker 6 (30:48):
That they almost got to the heartbeat bill, and we
had one individual who instead who said that this individual
was going to vote for the heartbeat bill, which still
isn't perfect, but we're going incremental. With the body of
Nebraska voters. You can't expect them to do something perfect
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right away. You go incremental, which some people don't believe that,
but you have to be realistic. I mean, right now,
I would go in there Legislator one, two, three, four five,
line up to you know, thirty three forty three and
say from conception all the way to every baby, no abortions.
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But you have to go incrementally to get that. And
because we didn't get that heartbeat law, then we had
to go with the twelve week so we started going forward.
But even if you're not totally happy with four to
three four, if you really want initiative for thirty nine
to fail, you've got to vote for four thirty four
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so that there can be that horrible bill of four
thirty nine not pass.
Speaker 1 (31:59):
That's Sarah Louise P. Carrol emails says, now I'm more
confused than before. I don't believe in aborting a child,
but I don't know if these measures are written clearly enough,
Dan Witt, you've got a minute here. Tell talk to
Carol here and people who are also confused like her.
Speaker 7 (32:13):
My argument has been all along that there's a great
risk of the bad initiative, the pro abortion initiative four
thirty nine, being successful in passing. I think there's a
great danger, a great risk that that could happen, and
the only way we can stop it in Nebraska, the
only way we can stop it. It's failed in seven
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other states. We want to be the first state to
bring this down. The only way we can bring four
thirty nine down is to pass four thirty four and
have it with more yes votes than four thirty nine.
Speaker 5 (32:48):
Then it fails.
Speaker 7 (32:50):
Nebraska is the first state in the nation to make
such legislation, such language fail. It has not been successful
anywhere else in America. We want to be the first
date to bring that language down, and we can ensure
it by voting for four thirty four.
Speaker 1 (33:06):
Dan Wit and Sarah Luise Peterson, they do work on
behalf of Sidewalk Advocates for Life, but here representing themselves.
Thank you very much for doing so. We talked to
David Zabolski with Nebraskans embracing life earlier in the program,
and all of this will be put together as one
podcast link later this morning.
Speaker 3 (33:25):
Scott Voices mornings nine to eleven, Our News Radio eleven
ten KFAB
Scott Vorgies in about an hour and a half from now.
We've got some people with sidewalks, Sidewalk Advocates for Life.
They want you to vote yes on initiative for thirty four.
They want you to vote for that. They say it's
a pro life initiative that pro life Nebraskans should support.
We have a guest to start the program here today,
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Pro life guy. The organization is Nebraskan's Embracing Life. He's
their chairman. David Zibolski is here. Pro life individual says
that Nebraska is four thirty four pro life bill is
not pro life enough. David, good morning, and welcome to
eleven to ten kfab.
Speaker 2 (00:38):
Good morning, and thank you for having me. I'd like
to offer a Christian prayer of unity in this culture
where we are, you know, really we're really discussing the
terms of the death of innocent children in the womb,
which is a horrifying topic, and to just bring us
together in our common faith. And I know there's non
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Christians that we invite to pray also, but please join
me in this prayer. Our Father, who are in heaven,
Hallowed be thy name, Thy Kingdom, Come, Thy will be
done on earth as it is in Heaven. Give us
this day our daily bread, and forgive us our trespasses,
as we forgive those who trespass against us. And lead
us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil. For
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the Kingdom, the power, and the glory are yours now
and forever.
Speaker 3 (01:27):
Amen.
Speaker 1 (01:27):
Amen, I appreciate you doing that, David, Thank you very much.
There will be some who'll say, then, why don't you
support this initiative that will protect the unborn?
Speaker 2 (01:37):
Yeah, thank you. I think we all understand that Initiative
four thirty nine is a diabolical, unlimited abortion initiative, and
maybe it's a given that we're all going to be
against that. And if Nebraskans are all against that, and
we have a definite pro life majority in this state,
four thirty nine will fall flat. Most Nebraskans we know
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from demographic are Christian. Again, there are non Christians in
our numbers, and we always invite non Christians to join us.
But this majority, maybe the demographics show fifty to fifty
in this area in the metropolitan area, but across Nebraska
and especially in rural Nebraska, you see those numbers increase dramatically.
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So in a Christian state, we could recognize the child
and the woman reject it on its face, and we'll
all have that opportunity to vote against four thirty nine,
where we do have unity and understanding that this is
a diabolical evil that was presented a year ago. Our
organization was one of the very first to speak out
against it and to offer active information against four thirty
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nine from when it was originally announced back in November
of last year. So you can't accuse us of wanting
this initiative to pass in any way, shape or form.
Speaker 1 (02:52):
Yeah, just to clarify, there are two initiatives related to
the subject of abortion. One that you're referring to. Four
thirty nine says that you can have an abortion in
Nebraska up until fetal viability, which is a bit of
a vague term here. And then you've got four to
thirty four that says that after the first trimester, essentially
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after the first twelve weeks, no abortions in Nebraska except
for the case of life of the mother and incest rape,
that kind of thing. And the pro life groups here
really pushing people to vote for for thirty four. You
are a Christian pro life organization. You say don't vote
for this, why not?
Speaker 2 (03:33):
Yeah? The reason is is several problems with it. It's
really an inadequate would be the friendliest term I could
give it response to four thirty nine. No one wants
for thirty nine to pass, but to say that will
be in a catastrophic state is true a state of abortion.
And if for thirty nine passes, but we're already in
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a catastrophic state. It's really important to understand that our
existing abortion life five seventy four allows for abortion up
to twelve weeks and also allows for rape, incest, and
medical emergency definitions in the statute. So we're opposed to
that law. It's not in any way, shape or form
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of pro life law because we know that. I think
in twenty twenty two there were twenty five hundred reported
abortions and that was reduced. But when you talk about
five seventy four, it's really important to remember.
Speaker 1 (04:28):
That it also four seventy four.
Speaker 2 (04:31):
Well, while I'm speaking of LB five seventy four, that's
the existing abortion law in Nebraska. It also allows miners
to access gender drugs, which are fertility destroying in every case.
So it's important to remember that the existing abortion law
Nebraska is diabolically evil. That allows for thousands and thousands
of abortions, to say nothing of the in vitro fertilization
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abortions and contraceptive abortions. So four thirty four will not
reduce abortion even by one life. That's why we oppose
it because it does not. There is no incremental progress.
The problem is if it allows first trimester abortions, and
we've asked our attorneys this and they're all concerned it.
Does it expand abortion from twelve weeks to thirteen and
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a half weeks, which is the extent of first trimester.
Does the term sexual assault We know nationally they didn't
use the word rape because rape is clearly defined and
it's a reportable crime. They use sexual assault, which means
it could be it could be any excuse for abortion.
So so if you look, if you just do some
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research and look at this, it's an expansion. It's a
term of expansion of abortion. We're very, very concerned with that,
and we cannot condone these abortions for any reason. So
that's our disappointment with four thirty four that it's just
a very I guess, a lame response to four thirty nine.
That's why we're a post.
Speaker 1 (05:54):
Everyone's got to vote. They're conscious on this. And you say, well,
no one wants four to thirty nine to pass. You
know that's not true. There are a lot of people
in the state of Nebraska who are actively out there
campaigning and hoping that four thirty nine passes because they
say it allows for expanded freedom of women to decide
what happens with their own bodies. Let's say, forsake of conversation,
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you disagree with that assessment. This is I want to
drill down a little bit further here into what you're
talking about here, because pro life people say, I think
that they hold hands with you on one front. Here.
They say, yes, Nebraska does allow abortions up until twelve weeks.
Nearly every single abortion in Nebraska happens within that twelve
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week period.
Speaker 3 (06:39):
Exactly.
Speaker 1 (06:40):
You have an amendment here that doesn't stop the abortions
that are happening in Nebraska. But they say this would
allow future versions of the Nebraska legislature to continue to
move things and maybe get it back to eight weeks
or four or five weeks. You know, they say this
gives us the opportunity to continue to have this. The
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legislature wors four to thirty nine. It's a state constitutional
amendment that's almost impossible to get rid of. That's why
they say you've got to vote for four thirty four.
It's a step in the right direction. To that, David,
you'd say.
Speaker 2 (07:12):
Well, if four thirty four is passed on November fifth,
it'll be the new standard of abortion in Nebraska that
we're all going to have to fight against because it
allows all of these abortions to occur. Four thirty four
is not a step in the right direction. It's not
going to it's not going to be safer for a
baby in the womb, and it's not going to improve
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the climate for the child in the womb. Remember what
we're discussing here is so diabolically evil, the destruction of
an innocent child in the womb. And you mentioned pro
life people, but that the numbers are so high. Where
I mentioned twenty five hundred and seven or so abortions
from surgical and prescribed chemical, But that's to say nothing
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of all the thousands of abortions that occur every year
from in vitro fertilization, the thousands more from contraceptive use
all the diabolical medical research abortions. These abortions are not reported,
and all of those thousands of abortions will continue with
four thirty four. So yeah, there's going to be a
tick up in abortion with four thirty nine. But it's
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it's it's we reject both of these horrible evils. There's
nothing immoral, there's nothing christian. We're being accused of not
supporting a pro life initiative. It's not a pro life initiative.
It doesn't it doesn't protect women or children. What women
or children does it protect? Zero? There are no abortions
in the second and third trimester unless they're accepted by
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this initiative, So it does not protect women and children.
So it's it's deceptive on its face. So you know,
it's just we.
Speaker 3 (08:49):
Have to we have.
Speaker 2 (08:50):
Abortion is a grave moral evil. For anybody to recognize
this evil, I encourage you to watch a fetal development
video EHD so you can see for yourself. You know,
if you're on the pro choice side, take a look
at a child developing in the womb and decide for yourself.
Everybody's in a different place on this. Decide for yourself
if you would kill that child. You know, you watch
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a fetal development video, it's miraculous to see a child
developing in her mother's womb. How could you ever destroy
that life? These poisons with surgical tools. You know, it's
just so it's so disgusting to even talk about. It's
such a despicable, evil crime that I can't put words
to it.
Speaker 1 (09:29):
That's David Zubolski here, chairman of Nebraskan's Embracing Life. I
want to ask you about something that is already starting
to stack up here with the people emailing. And they
they're not necessarily disagreeing with you, it's certainly not on
this last point you're making, but they say, here's the
big reason why we have to vote for four thirty four.
So we'll pick up there and continue our conversation with David.
Speaker 3 (09:52):
Next right here, Scott Voice News Radio eleven ten KFAB initiative.
Speaker 1 (10:00):
I should probably read the language on this one. This
is on your ballot in the state of Nebraska, says
a vote four will amend the Nebraska Constitution to provide
that except when a woman seeks an abortion necessitated by
a medical emergency, or when the pregnancy results from sexual
assault or incest, unborn children shall be protected from abortion
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in the second and third trimesters. That is a vote
four initiative four thirty four. Pro life groups say we
got to vote for this because there's also four thirty
nine out there which would allow a fundamental right to
abortion in Nebraska's constitution until fetal viability, which is a
vague term defined here in the initiative as the point
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in the pregnancy when, in the professional judgment of the
patient's treating healthcare practitioner, there's a significant likelihood of the
fetus's sustained survival outside the uterus without the application of
extraordinary medical measures. Is purposely vague on there. So pro
life groups say you got to vote four to thirty.
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You got to vote four four to thirty four, because
if both of these pass, it comes down to which
everyone gets the most votes. We're talking here with the
chairman of Nebraskan's Embracing Life. They're online at Nebraskan's Embracinglife
dot org. David Zubolski is with us on news radio
eleven to ten KFA being he's been talking about how
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he's a pro life individual that says four to thirty
four isn't good enough, Most if not all, of the
abortions that currently take place in Nebraska are within this threshold. Therefore,
it's a pro life bill that doesn't actually save lives.
So people are emailing saying, but it's about this horse race, David,
It's about which one gets the most votes and then
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what the unicamera might be able to do after the fact.
Does that sway your decision on this one way or
the other?
Speaker 2 (11:53):
No, there's two propositions here, one of them for thousands
and thousands of abortions and one of them for thousands
and thousands of abortion and a few hundred more. So
we reject them both. We can do that where where
it's not one or the other. It's not a lesser
of two evils argument like a candidate race where you're
going to get one or the other. This is a
this is a situation where you can reject both of them,
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and we wholeheartedly encourage everyone in Nebraska, where we have
a demographic majority, to vote against both of these diabolically
evil initiatives that allow abortion. Surely we can agree that
we can do better as a state. You said, trust
the legislature. You know, the legislature has only twice in
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the fifty year history restricted the abortion numbers.
Speaker 1 (12:38):
I'm not saying trust the legislature. Well, I've watched these guys.
Speaker 2 (12:41):
Yeah, I mean, I mean, you know, generally, so we
can't trust these politicians unfortunately, to represent faithful Nebraskans. I
wish we could. We wouldn't have abortion if we could,
so we have to bypassing the legislature with an amendment
is a great idea. But if your amendment is a
lot showing the majority of all abortions, in fact, all
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of these abortions that happened in Nebraska one hundred percent
will continue and possibly expand with either one of these initiatives,
but which both, by the way, allow for abortion up
to birth. This is a moral evil that even pro
choice people oppose. You know, we cannot sacrifice our innocent
children by the thousand in this state. If you do
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a conservative estimate for all abortions from conception, we've crossed
the half million mark in our history. We have to
stop killing our children and beg for mercy from God,
repent as a culture, and start respecting sacred human life.
Christian or non Christian. Can't we agree to elevate our
respect for human life in the womb. We have to
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evolve it as a culture to stop destroying our own
for our selfish reasons. We have to put our hearts
in every child conceived.
Speaker 1 (13:53):
I want you to hear the words of Sandy Dank.
She was on Dave and Aberdey Show a couple of
saturdays ago here on eleven ten KFI. She is the
executive director of Nebraska Right for Life, and I think
you did as well think that she was talking about
your organization when she told Dave this on eleven ten KFAB.
Speaker 4 (14:12):
There's a group that comes out of Omaha that is
opposing four thirty four because it does not have a
complete and total ban, and so consequently they are spreading
the word around the state to vote no against both
four thirty four and four to thirty nine. Very destructive,
very dangerous, because that only helps the abortion industry.
Speaker 1 (14:34):
The accusation here is that you are essentially propping up
Initiative four to thirty nine, which pro lifers agree is
an incredibly pro choice bill. You're helping the abortion industry
if indeed she's talking about you.
Speaker 2 (14:47):
Okay. I love Sandy Dank. I love she's done such
great things for life down down with her organization, Nebraska
Right to Life, and I have great respect for Nebraska
Right to Life. On this issue. There a lot uh
destruction and danger. That's that's what you're presenting to the
child in the womb. That's where the destructive and the
danger is. We can reject both of these initiatives. We're
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safe with our with our pro life majority in Nebraska
to reject both of these propositions. We cannot defend abortion
with abortion. So respectfully, I would say to Sandy that
let's be concerned about danger and destruction in the womb
of this child. We're not We're not, you know, causing destruction.
We're We're illuminating with the light of Christ the truth.
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Why are we being misled? Why are being we being
told that our existing law is pro life when it
allows for thousands and thousands of abortions. Why is this
called protect women and children when it not only does
it not protect women and children, it allows every abortion
kills a child, every abortion hurts a mother. We cannot,
we cannot get lost in this confusion. We have to remember,
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just take one abortion, that the ramifications of the emotional
and physical healing that a mother has to has to endure.
Speaker 1 (16:04):
Is just got a news break coming up here in
a second, So I want to jump in here by
saying there was another initiative the petition Drives out there
that I think was more closely aligned with what you're saying,
and that was rejected by Nebraska potential voters who didn't
sign that petition enough. Some of the people talked about
that and said that it would have banned things like
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the Morning After pill or as you mentioned earlier, IVF
in vitro fertilization. Are your views on pro life too
extreme for mainstream Nebraskans, including those who consider themselves pro life.
Speaker 2 (16:37):
We were very limited on our timeline when we were
locked out of churches, and we hope that we'll present
this again. You're speaking of choose life now, dot Net.
I mean we're you know we're not. I'm not any
better than you, Scott. I'm not any better than a
young child just because of my age, and that young
child is not any better than a younger child. I'm
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not any better than any disabled person, the most severely
disabled person. I'm not superior to a child one day
or one month or two months or three months before
birth is not inferior to us. We are not God.
We cannot destroy this life so that we can have
what we want. The younger the child, the more we
should protect that vulnerable child, the more innocent that child.
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So yes, from conception, God imbues a soul into in
that human being. It's a human life with complete DNA
to carry it through the rest of its life. We
should have enough integrity in our culture to respect sacred
human life in the womb. We need to evolve to
become a true pro life society where the word pro
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life means we respect every We respect and offer every
dignity to every human life from the moment of conception.
So yes, we're against in vitro fertilization, abortions. Yes we're
against the abortifacient contraceptives.
Speaker 1 (17:57):
The organization is Nebraskans Embrace Life. It's Nebraskan's Embracinglife dot org.
Give another website as.
Speaker 2 (18:03):
Well, chooselifeanow dot net.
Speaker 1 (18:06):
That is their chairman, David Zabolski. Here interesting conversation. David,
I appreciate you coming in here and having it with
us this morning.
Speaker 2 (18:12):
Thank you and praise be Jesus Christ now and forever.
Speaker 1 (18:15):
Absolutely an Amen. We've got some with an organization called
Sidewalk Advocates for Life that say that you have to
vote yes on four thirty four. You'll hear from them
in just over an hour from now. Just to let
you know, David, some of the responses here in the inbox,
everything from Christopher emailing saying David is spot on. Thank
you for having him in there. Tory says, your guest
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is so dangerously foolish on this matter. So we've run
the spectrum this morning. Thank you, thank you very much
so much. Coming in Fox News Update next, Scott Voice,
News Radio eleven ten kfbaby. I want to welcome a
couple of individuals who have worked on behalf of pro
life causes. They're here representing only themselves though this morning.
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Sarah Peterson and Dan Witt, welcome back to news radio
eleven ten KFAB both you.
Speaker 5 (19:05):
Thank you, Scott, good to be here.
Speaker 1 (19:07):
Great to have you here. So you just heard David's
argument saying that lives would not be protected by Initiative
four thirty four. Therefore, he says people who are pro
life should not vote for this. Tell me why he's wrong.
Speaker 6 (19:23):
Well, the thing of this is, and thanks for having
us Scott, it's all about protecting women and children. This
whole two initiatives. It comes down to, are we protecting women,
children and families. And the thing about four three four
is that it would not change what is the law
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right now in Nebraska. The law right now that has
been for a while is that abortions are legal up
to twelve weeks, and then after twelve weeks they are illegal. Now,
that will maintain that current protection.
Speaker 1 (20:01):
But his argument is is that we already have all
these abortions happening within twelve weeks. Very few abortions in
Nebraska happen after twelve weeks, so we're not actually saving
any lives. That's what he says, right, I understand, and
the statistics do bear that out.
Speaker 6 (20:16):
And the thing is if they happen after twelve weeks,
they shouldn't. Now, I understand this is a new thing
about the protecting the babies and having no abortions in
the second and third trimester, but it would put it
in the constitution. So that's a big deal to change
the constitution to have it be illegal to have an
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abortion in the second and third trimester, But it also
maintains current protections regarding safeguarding it regard this regards the
ladies that are young have to now in the current
view that we have the current landscape, that are young
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have to get informed consent and they also have to
have parental knowledge.
Speaker 1 (21:06):
How young are we talking about thirteen twelve?
Speaker 6 (21:09):
And then what happens with voting against four three four
to three four three nine makes it so they're going
to not have any protection for parental consent nor parental knowledge. Also,
the whole point of health and safety regulations that will
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stay if.
Speaker 5 (21:33):
We do four three four. If not, then.
Speaker 6 (21:37):
Under four to threety nine, Scott, they're not even gonna
let any abortion facility get any kind of a health inspection.
You have to have a nail salon be inspected, but
then they wouldn't inspect the abortion facility under four thirty nine.
Speaker 1 (21:52):
It doesn't say that in the in the language on
four thirty nine. Let's just say for sake of conversation
here that all the pro lifers Nebraska are going to
vote against four thirty nine. David wasn't arguing in favor
of four to thirty nine. He says, absolutely vote against
four thirty nine. It's pro choice. So you talk with
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with women who want to go through this. Put take
put all of your notes down, and speak to me
from the heart.
Speaker 3 (22:18):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (22:19):
He says all the abortions that happen in Nebraska will
still happen in Nebraska under four thirty four, and that's
why he says pro life people shouldn't vote for you.
You're pointing to Dan. Dan Witt is also here on
eleven ten, kfab speak to that.
Speaker 7 (22:33):
Please an equal argument, and in my view, even in
a stronger argument Scott for voting four Initiative four thirty
four is that there's the risk that four thirty nine
could pass. The reason we differ with the folks that
were on the radio earlier. They're making the assumption that
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four thirty nine is going to fail. If that if
we knew that were true, I could listen to the
other arguments. But I think that is a very dangerous,
risky assumption. I don't believe it myself personally. I think
we are at great risk in the state of Nebraska
that Measure four thirty nine could prevail, could pass. I'm
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afraid it might. It shouldn't in this state, in this
pro life state, it should fail. But I'm afraid it
could pass, and if it does, the only way we
can stop it is to also pass four thirty four
and get more yes votes on four thirty four than
on four thirty nine. That's why we have to vote
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yes on four thirty four, is to be more positive
with that initiative than the four thirty nine initiative.
Speaker 1 (23:50):
Perhaps, since we have both of these initiatives, one much
more pro choice, the other one much more pro life.
If both of them pass, it comes down to whichever
one has the most votes. But if both of them fail,
then we're back to the drawing board here. And our
guest earlier said both of them should fail because it's
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not because four thirty four doesn't protect the abortions already
happening in Nebraska.
Speaker 3 (24:17):
Is he wrong.
Speaker 7 (24:19):
About how many abortions are?
Speaker 1 (24:23):
He says, all the abortions will still happen in Nebraska
under four thirty four.
Speaker 7 (24:26):
The majority of them will, A high percentage of them will.
But what if it's just one life that's saved.
Speaker 3 (24:32):
Is that not worth it?
Speaker 7 (24:34):
There are going to be lives saved if four thirty
four is approved. It may not be a high percentage
of the current number of abortions, but some lives will
be saved. That's of ultimate value, that lives will be saved.
But even greater, as greater, possibly greater, is that there
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is a definite risk that four thirty nine could be
proved and we have to have more yes votes for
four thirty four than four to thirty nine gets or
four thirty nine goes into the constitution.
Speaker 1 (25:08):
Well, I'm very curious to see what happens with four
thirty nine. If if, as you say, if voters all
show up in this very red state and they vote
consistently against four thirty nine, then it won't pass. But
when I hear two different pro life voices on the
radio with me this morning here on news radio eleven
ten kfab one saying vote against it, it doesn't protect life,
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and you are saying, now vote for it. You might
even say you might save one life. I see the
pro life groups fighting amongst themselves. Well, I see rallies
full of pro choice people out there saying we want
autonomy over our bodies. Men like Dan Witt can't tell
us what to do. We think you should vote for
four to thirty nine. They have a cohesive voice together
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here is one unit, And I hear squabbling on the
other side here. It makes me wonder what's going to
pass here, and it makes a lot of pro life
people wonder the same thing.
Speaker 7 (26:04):
My belief, my feeling, Scott, is that of all the
pro life Nebraskans that are passionate about this issue, I
feel that probably ninety to ninety five percent of them
support the position that I am espousing. They support voting
(26:25):
yes on four thirty four. The number of folks that
believe that voting no on four thirty four is a
good strategy is a very small number of folks. That's
my belief. I think it's a very small number. I
think it's unfortunate that anybody thinks that's a good strategy,
or as being told it's a good strategy. I think
(26:45):
it's a bad strategy. I have to speak my belief.
I think it's a horrible strategy. I think it's a
dangerous strategy, and none of us pro lifers should buy
into this dangerous strategy risking that for thirty nine could
go into effect.
Speaker 1 (27:02):
I did bring up to him that I thought perhaps
Nebraska's had told him that his view was too extreme,
and I'll explain that in just a moment, and then Sarah,
I want to come back to you for your thoughts
on that as well. We're talking here with that's Dan
Witt Sarah Luise Peterson, both urging you to vote for
Initiative four thirty four. Will rejoin the conversation here in
just a moment, Scott voices News Radio eleven ten kfab
(27:26):
two guests in the studio who work on behalf of
a pro life organization, but for purposes of today's conversation
there representing themselves here as concerned citizens who want to
see Initiative for thirty four pass. That was Dan Witt
you heard from a moment ago. Sarah Luise Peterson here
as well, and I'm Scott Vhees talked earlier with David Zabolski.
(27:48):
Now he's pro life. He says that this initiative forour
thirty four does not protect the abortions already happening in Nebraska. Now,
his organization put forth a petition Nebraska voters that would
have done things like the Morning After pill would be outlawed,
be banned in Nebraska. IVF would be banned in Nebraska.
(28:08):
And I said, are you are some of your thoughts
here too extreme for mainstream Nebraskans, including those who consider
themselves pro life. Do you feel like that's the case,
because he says this bill doesn't protect life as much
as what he wants to see done.
Speaker 5 (28:25):
Thank you, Scott.
Speaker 6 (28:28):
I would say that even though this measure, ballot initiative
four three four is up and I'm going to vote
for it, it is not perfect.
Speaker 5 (28:38):
It is not perfect. There's going to be more chances.
Speaker 6 (28:41):
However, after this bill, we hope this ballot initiative, we
hope passes for more legislation to move the metronome side
over to more and more protection of preborn babies.
Speaker 1 (28:58):
Well, I've heard that, but it does I may read
the language here. A vote four Initiative four thirty four
will amend the Nebraska Constitution to provide that, except when
a woman seeks an abortion necessitated by a medical emergency,
or when the pregnancy results from sexual assault or incest,
unborn children shall be protected from abortion in the second
(29:19):
and third trimesters. This is in the Nebraska Constitution. It
doesn't say the legislature can move it back. They couldn't
move it passed into the second or third trimesters. But
people I've heard say, well, they could move it earlier.
I see a mend the Nebraska Constitution, and then the
argument is, well, do we want to put not perfect
(29:41):
in the Nebraska Constitution.
Speaker 6 (29:43):
Well, but it can go back then it allows and
they've worked on this language with lawyers to make sure
that it is where it needs to be, and the
Nebraska legislature could go, we could go from twelve weeks
down to conception. We could say no abortions from conception on,
which would then take from twelve weeks to the second trimester,
(30:04):
and we'd have illegal from the moment of conception when
life begins, all the way to the third trimester, and boom,
we have no abortions in Nebraska.
Speaker 1 (30:13):
And they can change that because it doesn't change what
this is by moving it into the second and third
trimesters exactly exactly.
Speaker 5 (30:22):
And what they call it is that they have absolute.
Speaker 6 (30:28):
By way to say, well, we have this twelve zero
to twelve weeks is legal, Well let's move it back.
Let's move it back, and boom, we got conception to
the third trimester illegal.
Speaker 1 (30:41):
But everyone looks at Nebraska says, wow, a real pro life,
real conservative state. Why hasn't our legislature already done.
Speaker 6 (30:48):
That they almost got to the heartbeat bill, and we
had one individual who instead who said that this individual
was going to vote for the heartbeat bill, which still
isn't perfect, but we're going incremental. With the body of
Nebraska voters. You can't expect them to do something perfect
(31:08):
right away. You go incremental, which some people don't believe that,
but you have to be realistic. I mean, right now,
I would go in there Legislator one, two, three, four five,
line up to you know, thirty three forty three and
say from conception all the way to every baby, no abortions.
(31:30):
But you have to go incrementally to get that. And
because we didn't get that heartbeat law, then we had
to go with the twelve week so we started going forward.
But even if you're not totally happy with four to
three four, if you really want initiative for thirty nine
to fail, you've got to vote for four thirty four
(31:53):
so that there can be that horrible bill of four
thirty nine not pass.
Speaker 1 (31:59):
That's Sarah Louise P. Carrol emails says, now I'm more
confused than before. I don't believe in aborting a child,
but I don't know if these measures are written clearly enough,
Dan Witt, you've got a minute here. Tell talk to
Carol here and people who are also confused like her.
Speaker 7 (32:13):
My argument has been all along that there's a great
risk of the bad initiative, the pro abortion initiative four
thirty nine, being successful in passing. I think there's a
great danger, a great risk that that could happen, and
the only way we can stop it in Nebraska, the
only way we can stop it. It's failed in seven
(32:35):
other states. We want to be the first state to
bring this down. The only way we can bring four
thirty nine down is to pass four thirty four and
have it with more yes votes than four thirty nine.
Speaker 5 (32:48):
Then it fails.
Speaker 7 (32:50):
Nebraska is the first state in the nation to make
such legislation, such language fail. It has not been successful
anywhere else in America. We want to be the first
date to bring that language down, and we can ensure
it by voting for four thirty four.
Speaker 1 (33:06):
Dan Wit and Sarah Luise Peterson, they do work on
behalf of Sidewalk Advocates for Life, but here representing themselves.
Thank you very much for doing so. We talked to
David Zabolski with Nebraskans embracing life earlier in the program,
and all of this will be put together as one
podcast link later this morning.
Speaker 3 (33:25):
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