2 Chiefs 1 Mic

2 Chiefs 1 Mic

🎙️ Welcome to Two Chiefs, One Mic 🎙️ Real talk. No filters. Straight from the top seat. Hosted by Chief Scott Hughes and Chief Mike Hawkins, Two Chiefs, One Mic is the podcast where law enforcement leadership gets honest. We dive into the challenges, lessons, and moments no one tells you about when you're handed the chief's badge. Whether you're a current police chief, climbing the ranks, or just passionate about the profession, this is your inside look at what it really means to lead in modern policing. 📩 Have a topic idea or want to be a guest? Email us: 2chiefs1mic@gmail.com

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October 15, 2026 • 39 mins

In this episode of Two Chiefs One Mic, Scott Hughes sits down with Ken and Wendee Grubbs of Bless the Badge to discuss Tactical Relationship Training and their work helping law enforcement couples strengthen their marriages.

They share practical advice on communication, setting expectations for decompression after a shift, and recognizing when silence creates distance at home. Scott also reflects on lessons from his own career about...

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Police departments looking for new ways to recruit should take a closer look at the DoD SkillBridge program.

In this episode of Two Chiefs, One Mic, Scott Hughes talks with Mike Forehand of Police Hiring Solutions about how SkillBridge connects transitioning service members with civilian career opportunities. Mike explains what police agencies need to do to participate, how to build a useful training experience, and why giving candi...

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September 3, 2026 • 36 mins

Adam Davis shares his remarkable journey, beginning with his experience as a police officer and the challenges he faced. After battling alcoholism and reaching a low point in his life, Adam found solace in writing. His commitment to helping others in the law enforcement community has led to the release of 11 books and a mission to positively impact officers across the country.

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What happens when doing the right thing puts your career on the line?

On this episode of Two Chiefs, One Mic, we sit down with Keith Grounsell, author of Leadership Under Fire, for a candid conversation about integrity, resilience, politics, and the realities of leading in law enforcement.

Keith shares lessons from nearly 30 years in law enforcement, including his time as a DEA Special Agent, police chief, and international work with...

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What happens when a tragedy exposes a problem with equipment first responders have relied on for decades?

On this episode of Two Chiefs, One Mic, we sit down with Don Campbell, creator of the Lit Traffic Vest, an LED safety vest designed to make police officers, firefighters, and other first responders more visible while working dangerous roadway scenes.

The idea came after the tragic death of Officer Dale Woods, who was struck by a ...

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August 3, 2026 • 32 mins

One of the biggest decisions a community can make is hiring its next police chief.

Most people see the announcement after the decision has been made. They don't see what it's like for the person stepping into a department where every relationship has to be built from scratch.

Our latest episode of Two Chiefs One Mic explores that transition with Chief Adam Nielsen, who left Colorado after more than 20 years in law enforcement to beco...

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June 17, 2026 • 48 mins

For nearly 30 years, Scott had the privilege of serving in this profession.

In our latest episode of Two Chiefs, One Mic, Mike and Scott sat down and talked about the journey - from a kid wearing a plastic badge, to a police explorer, to a patrol officer, supervisor, and eventually chief.

We also talked about how much policing has changed over the years.

Some of those changes have been positive.

Some have created challenges we're still...

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What happens when a healthy 26-year-old police officer suddenly goes into cardiac arrest?

In this powerful episode of Two Chiefs, One Mic, Brandon Griffith shares his unbelievable survival story, the life-changing events that followed, and how it led to the creation of Griffith Blue Heart, a nonprofit focused on saving lives through advanced medical training, technology, and advocacy for first responders.

Chief Scott Hughes and Chief...

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May 19, 2026 • 39 mins

This episode explores innovative law enforcement training methods, focusing on decision-making, skills practice, and confidence building through tactical decision games and scenario-based roll call training. Guests share empirical findings and practical insights on improving the effectiveness of police briefings.

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Had a great conversation with Chief Kurt Holden about his career in university policing, his experience at the FBI National Academy, and his perspective on where the profession is heading.

We also talked leadership—what it looks like in practice and how it shapes an organization over time.

For those of you in Ohio, Chief Holden is currently running for 2nd Vice President of the Ohio Association of Chiefs of Police—and thi...

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April 22, 2026 • 38 mins

Summary

In this episode, retired police captain Daniel Grubbs shares his innovative program on marriage wellness and officer mental health, emphasizing the importance of identity, faith, and work-life balance in law enforcement. Discover practical strategies to support officers' well-being and leadership insights that can transform department culture.

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April 6, 2026 • 27 mins

🚨 On the latest episode of the 𝑻𝒘𝒐 𝑪𝒉𝒊𝒆𝒇𝒔, 𝑶𝒏𝒆 𝑴𝒊𝒄 𝑷𝒐𝒅𝒄𝒂𝒔𝒕, we talked to Chief Michael Shaw from Webster, Massachusetts Police Department, and he brings a perspective you don’t hear nearly enough in this profession:👉 What if one of the biggest factors impacting recruitment, retention, AND performance… is 𝐟𝐢𝐧𝐚𝐧𝐜𝐢𝐚𝐥 𝐬𝐭𝐫𝐞𝐬𝐬?💡 In this episode, we dive into:▪️ The real impact of finan...

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March 30, 2026 • 29 mins

In this episode, Chief Chris Noeller shares insights from his 33-year law enforcement career, focusing on innovative wellness programs, community engagement, and strategies to reduce violent crime. Discover practical approaches to leadership, officer health, and community safety from a seasoned police chief.

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February 23, 2026 • 79 mins

Parkland, Florida. One of the deadliest school shootings in American history.

Chief Mike Hawkins and I sat down with Zack Scott and Richard Sessions to discuss the tragedy at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School.

This episode is about capturing the truth of what happened. Beyond headlines, hindsight, and sound bites.

We talk candidly about chaotic scenes, communication breakdowns, leadership accountability, and the lasting mental toll...

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February 7, 2026 • 38 mins

Chief Mike Hawkins and Chief Scott Hughes sit down with Jeremy Story, Chief of the Las Cruces Police Department, for a real, candid conversation about leadership, growth, and the realities of modern policing.

In this episode, we talk about:

✅ Jeremy’s path into law enforcement and his transition into the chief’s role✅ The early challenges every new chief faces (and what he learned the hard way)✅ Why progressive leadership...

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January 23, 2026 • 48 mins

In this episode of the Two Chiefs One Mic podcast, Chief Mike Hawkins and Scott Hughes welcome Kirk Dinkheller, father of fallen officer Kyle Dinkheller, who was tragically killed during a traffic stop in 1998. Kirk shares the story of his son, the events leading up to the incident, and the impact it has had on law enforcement training and culture. The conversation delves into the court proceedings following Kyle's death, the emoti...

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December 16, 2025 • 43 mins

In this episode of the Two Chiefs One Mic Podcast, hosts Mike Hawkins and Scott Hughes welcome Chief Jay Gerace of the Colonie, New York, Police Department to discuss innovative training methods to improve officer safety during traffic stops. The conversation highlights the importance of practical training, the need for policy changes, and the impact of real-life scenarios on officer behavior. Chief Gerace shares insights into his ...

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November 27, 2025 • 40 mins

Title: Fireproofing Your Workplace: Insights from Pete Havel on Combating Toxic Employees

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In today's fast-paced work environment, toxic employees can wreak havoc on organizations, draining morale and hindering productivity. In a recent episode of the Two Chiefs, One Mic podcast, host Scott Hughes converses with Pete Havel, author of "The Arsonist in the Office," who shares invaluable insights on identifying and...

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November 17, 2025 • 44 mins

Introduction: In a world where hustle often overshadows health, the importance of sleep is frequently overlooked. In a recent episode of the Two Chiefs, One Mic podcast, hosts Scott Hughes and Michael Hawkins engage in a thought-provoking discussion with Dr. Leah Kaylor, a licensed clinical psychologist for the FBI and author of the enlightening book "If Sleep Were a Drug." This conversation sheds light on the profound impac...

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November 12, 2025 • 39 mins

In this episode, Jessica Flores shares her journey from law enforcement to wellness advocacy, discussing the challenges faced by officers, the importance of mental health, and the need for supportive communities. She emphasizes the significance of identity beyond the badge and the impact of leadership on officer well-being. Jessica also highlights her initiatives to create spaces for officers to share their stories and support one ...

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