Charity Takes the Wheel

This week on “Bachelor Happy Hour,” Michelle and Becca speak with Charity about everything we’ve seen from her journey so far! Charity opens up about how getting cast on Zach’s season came at the perfect time, how she really felt upon learning that Zach was the Bachelor, and how the friendships she’s made through this journey have changed her life for the better. Also, Charity reveals exactly what went through her mind when Christina Mandrell questioned Zach’s decision to give her the Group Date Rose and explains which qualities Zach has that make him a rare type of man. 

Then, Becca has a very exciting announcement to share, and our girls reveal who they hope to see as the next Bachelorette. 

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:02):
Welcome back, happy our listeners. I'm one of your hosts,
Becca Kufran, and I'm Michelle Young, and we are so
pumped to be back this week to not only get
into another episode of the Bad Shark, but more importantly,
we have a guest that we've been asking for for
weeks and I cannot wait to have her on because
today we get to finally speak with Charity. Yes, we

(00:24):
have been dying to get her on the podcast since
night one. She is such a huge, huge favorite of
Becca and Eyes or me and Mecca's and we want
to talk to her about her connection with Zach. We
want to get to know her a little bit. But
before we bring her on, Becca, you have somehow very
very very very exciting news and like an announcement that's

(00:48):
coming because Bachelor Live is back. It is back, and
I can finally share details. I know, I kind of please.
I know it kind of hinted last week a little bit,
but we officially announced it this past week when we
were all in Arizona. Yeah, it's coming back. It's gonna
look a little bit different this year, so instead of

(01:09):
like doing a cross country tour, it's going to be
a residency in Arizona at the Talking Stick Resort in Scottsdale,
And I actually got a lot of questions on DMS
and in my comments about this, people are like why
are you just being like why are you just in
one area? But like what I try to tell people
is like, think about this when you go to Vegas
for a long weekend with your girls or your guy.

(01:29):
Like you. For the most part, I think most people
want to see a show, right, like whether that's a singer,
whether that's a search show, a magician, whatever, So it's
kind of that same thing. So we landed on Scottsdale
because it is the number two batchelort destination in the country,
so a lot of people flock there fourth these batchelor

(01:50):
at parties, and we figured like that would be one
of the perfect spots to do this, Like girls or
guys can come watch the show. Like I said, it's
at a resort, so not only are you going to
be there for like this seventy five minutes show, but
it's also next to a pool, you have cabanas, It's
going to be like a little bit more sexy. So
it's more of like a big interactive show slash party

(02:12):
type feel. So we are so fun. Yeah, fun, because
I've actually I've done a lot of planning of bachelorettes
bachelorette parties out of my friends are getting married, and like,
what a nice little changeup that would be to be
able to, like, I don't know, like you can you
do brunch and you do all those things, but to
be able to like hit it during this time and

(02:32):
even if you're not planning a bachelorette but like being
able to be in Scottsdale, being able to do this
little fun activity that would be awesome. How are who
are you hosting with? Because I know that this is
this is not the same as Bachelor Live on stage, correct, right, yep,
So it's going to be different hosting. Yeah, So I

(02:53):
will be It's kind of a weird schedule this year
because I actually have to travel to one of our
dear friends in Italy getting married in the middle of it.
So I will be hosting the first weekend and the
last weekend in April, and then my bachelor when I'm
hosting will be Andrew. So he'll be like the fun
guy on stage and he's an absolute blast. He's so funny,

(03:15):
such good energy on stage, like so interactive with the crowd.
So he will be my bachelor for the couple weekends
and then the middle weekend when I'm actually gone, this
is gonna be the funny one. Andrew will step into
my shoes and host, and then Ronnie is gonna be
the bachelor. So you're gonna get kind of like a

(03:36):
little two for one with the fellas that weekend. And
quite honestly, like and they're such a blast together again,
like so high energy that I'm like, dude, you guys
are neighbor gonna like get through this show. You're gonna
be having so much fun. They're gonna get so sidetracked.
So it'll be those two guys for that middle weekend.

(04:00):
They play off each other so nicely. They always they do.
They really compliment each other. Well. They are super live, energetic,
it's contagious. So I do think that's a good that's
a good couple. Well Thomas though, Well, Thomas and the
dogs be with you when you are filming, you are hosting.
You know, Thomas I think will be there for one

(04:20):
of the weekends. I'm not quite sure when yet. Um
I don't know about the dogs. If he's driving, then
you know, hey, Minno was part of the first two shows.
She stole the show. She like the crowd loved her.
She ate it up. She was born for the stage.
So ideally, like I would love to have them back,
but we'll see. But Thomas will definitely be there, hopefully

(04:41):
one of the weekends for a little surprise appearance. So
I love that. Is it going to be the same,
like some similarities. Will the audience be able to interact
with with you guys, Like, oh, they'd be able to
come on stage? How is that gonna work? Yep? Yep.
So just like last time, we actually pulled out every show,
we pulled ten to twelve contestants up on stage directly

(05:03):
from the audience, which I personally love, like it's so
fun because you don't know if you're going to be
called and even and what I love about that is
like even if you're a bachelor that is about to
get married, or even if you're married, like you can
still come up on this stage. It's not like you're
actually going to be dating the bachelor. It's more for
like this fun experience where you can finally feel like

(05:24):
you're part of the show. Like we really try to
condense a season into you know, a couple hours, so
you have like different fun group dates, like different fun dancing,
different fun skits, and then like in the midst of
all of that, you have like these little rows ceremonies,
and at the end of it, instead of you know,
winning the final rows and like falling in love with

(05:45):
the Bachelor, it's way less pressure. You actually just win
like a big gift package full of like my wine
will be there, Scott's still like I think local businesses
will include a ton of fun things in there, so
you just like win this big prize package. And that's
what I love is like because if you're there with
the bachelotte party and you're like winning free drinks or
like winning free wine or whatever, it might be like

(06:06):
it's just more of an incentive to come. But again,
like this is going to be so much more of
a party vibe because the pools right there, the hot
tubs right there, the bars next to you. It's more paradise,
I would say, than like the Bachelor mansion. Oh this night,
what you said, April, what am I doing in April?
You're coming? I'm coming with light in so that I
can see one of these things. But I know that

(06:28):
after people hear about this, they're gonna want to know
where they can get tickets. They're going to be excited.
M yeah, so right now you can get tickets. So
the resort that will be out is called Talking Sick Resort.
Like I said, it's in Scott's Dale. You really can't
miss it if you land in Phoenix and you're driving
to scott Still, it's right there on the road. So
Talking Sick Resort dot Com. We'll have all of the dates,
all of the info and tickets. So bring yourself, bring

(06:52):
your girls, bring your mom. If you have a boyfriend,
bring him. We've had some couples in the audience and
like girlfriends and wives have been up on stage. So
it's just so fun. It's like the way that they
structure this one is like such it's gonna be such
a blast. So everyone get your ticket set Talking Stick
Resort dot Com. Oh, Becca, we're so proud of you
over here at a happy Bachelor happy hour with everything

(07:13):
you're doing. We're so sad for you. Can't wait for
a Bachelor Live to start and for you too, like
you said, it best do the damn thing. I love it.
I can't wait to see how it turns out that
applauds me every time. Let me, let me, let me
go buy ticket? O girl, I got you. You. If
you want to come up on stage, well you came
up on stage for the Minnesota shows. If you want

(07:33):
to buy something that was fun, someone love to see you. Well, okay,
enough about me. You have been traveling like crazy. You
just spent the past week in Arizona for all of
the super Bowl festivities. How was that? It was good?
It was? Um, it was It was a lot of fun.
I actually was there during a lot of like the
lead up, so it was kind of cool. I was

(07:55):
staying right in Old Town and that's where all like
the tailgates were happening. Um, the ESPN filming was happening,
and so we were a friend and I went and
we were there during old time. It's kind of like
eerie but cool at the same time because all of
the Super Bowl platforms, signs things were up, but it
was dead quiet. We're the only people like walking through Oldtown.

(08:16):
And then as the week like progressed, more and more
people flocked. Just the excitement, the energy. I got to
see a lot of really cool performances, did a lot
of actually networking. I went to the it's called like
the Players Network or the Player's Impact and it was
really cool to just meet a lot of people talk
about sports, different things that we align with. Um. But yeah,

(08:38):
it was great. I'm tired and I did not stay
and stay for the game because I had to fly
back for my own launch that's gonna be happening here
and um yeah, and so it was a lot. I'm
tired and it was fun. Yeah, I'm tired. I'm tired.

(08:58):
For you, like watching everything on Instagram, I'm like I was.
I was in Arizona for two days and it was
exhausted with and not only was it the super Bowl,
it was the Waste Management Phoenix Open, which, like news
to me, is like the party golf tournament. I had
no idea. So there was a lot going on when
you were there. Yeah, you were there for a full week.
I was there for a full week, and by the

(09:19):
time I hit like Friday, I was I was gassed.
I was gassed. So I was. I was a little
bit sad that I wasn't going to be able to
see Rere in person because I did have to come back. Yeah,
but I will say that when I got home, she
was nice enough to send a fenty package my way. Yeah. Okay,

(09:40):
this this, uh, this makes it for it. She's with
you in spirit, well maybe old man. Okay, that you
will meet her one day, so I really know I
already met her. Oh yeah, you went to that her event.
Oh okay, lucky, lucky you cool. Yeah, she did even everything.
It was great. Okay, So Michelle, you just briefly mentioned

(10:02):
a little launch, which of course I have to ask
you about to tell me all of the details on this. Yeah,
so what So what I'm basically doing is I've been
putting in time with building this website, working on motivational
speaking to kind of really set up like what the
Michelle Young brand is going to be. And so what

(10:23):
we did last night is I was able to partner
with a young girl called so her name is excuse me,
Kayla Joy, and she started her own business and like
nonprofit by building wellness packages for underprivileged women. And so
people like you and me beca we can we can

(10:43):
go to the spot. We have these opportunities where we
can you know, self care, all these different things that
we're able to do, and a lot of women don't
have the means to do that. And so what she
does is she builds these bags, wellness bags, and so
she works with different brands, beauty brands, face, masks, socks, journaling,

(11:03):
all this other stuff into these bags and then we
deliver them. And so where I'm going to be coming
into play with this is that every single month, I'm
gonna be working with a different charity, foundation organization to
really amplify their voice, and the brands that are working
with me, I'm kind of go fluid into also helping
them out as well. And so I'm launching my brand,

(11:25):
going to be talking about, you know, how I'm gonna
be traveling, motivational speaking, but then also how I'm and
be including my followers in that whole voting process and
nomination process of which charity I'm going to be working
for the next month, and then getting to vote on that,
select that and then really putting that into play with
a professional in a professional manner. And so my website's
going to have everything from like the YouTube channel where

(11:47):
it's going to showcase everything that I'm doing during the month,
the campaigns that I'm working on, and yeah, there's already
a lot of very exciting ones that are coming up here,
and yeah, oh my gosh, that is incredible and I
love the changing the game of influencing. True. Yeah, that

(12:10):
is absolutely incredible. And I know you've spent so much
time and energy on this, Like I can't wait to
see this take off and hear all about it. Like,
I'm sure your launch party was just so much fun.
I wish I could be there. Yeah, but I'm really
am proud of you and so oh god, I just
had one question about it. Oh um, I wanted to
ask about your website. Can you share like the link

(12:30):
where people can go and see the YouTube channel and everything. Yeah, yeah,
so I will Actually I'll put it in like my
highlights or whatever, just so that I can make sure
that I'm sharing it out correctly. But essentially, yeah, this
website is going to have everything. As soon as you
click on it, you're going to be able to, you know,
see the places that I'm speaking. There's going to be
a lot of cool conferences coming up, one including Pepper Day,

(12:52):
and we're I'll be speaking and I'm seeing and um, yeah,
I will make sure to throw that link on my
highlights so that everyone can access that. It would also
would just be in my bio as well on Instagram,
um and any social media platform. So yeah, this is
this is just the start. This is just the start.
But I'm I'm excited and um yeah, really just changing

(13:14):
the game of influencing, and I love challenging other influencers
just as well to give back. So we'll look at you.
I know, like on your season, you kept seeing you
wanted to change the world, and I feel like this
is just a big step in that right direction. So
that is absolutely incredible. So proud. I feel like I'm like,
I don't want to cheer up, but I feel like
a proud mom for you. This is so exciting. I'm
just I'm so happy for you. Um God, not to

(13:36):
change gears, but those speaking of somebody who also really
is working to change the world. Charity. Charity her name
says it all. Um, Yeah, I'm excited to bring her
on in just a few minutes here. Before we get
into that, let's get into like this week briefly, we

(13:58):
saw everyone head to the Bahamas. What were your overall
thoughts on this episode. Was there anyone knew that kind
of stood out to you that you think, like, oh,
she might go far or not so much. Honestly, this
episode it was I don't know, there's there was like
a lot going on this episode, but then there was

(14:20):
not a lot going on this episode. Like I couldn't tell.
I really couldn't tell what I am. What I will
say is that I've almost paid more attention to how
is Zach handles these situations and not always like how
the women are handling situations. And what I've noticed with
him is that anybody who gets caught up in the drama,

(14:42):
they're gone, like right off the bat, Like that's That's
what I was really really just interested to see if
he was gonna keep up with that with the whole
consistency we had also Broken's one on one, we had
cats one on one. We had really tough conversations that
were had in this episode. Yeah, I will, like you

(15:02):
just touch on Brooklyn. I will say she's one who
maybe I kind of wrote her off at the beginning
and just being like, oh, you know, like I don't
know how long she'll make it, but she really I
mean not even not even because she just got that
one on one, but I think her conversation like during
that evening portion, like she really stood out to me

(15:23):
and I I mean, I think we all did saw
a side to her and saw like struggles that no
person should ever have to endure, but like the way
that she was able to speak about them, and I
hope that she can be like a person that people
going through similar experiences can now go to or look
up to. In a way, I think that was really

(15:44):
really special. So I will say, like, now I have
my eye on Brooklyn. You know, I might have been
wrong at the beginning, but I feel like after that
she might make it way further than I expected, which
I love to be wrong, so hey, keep having me wrong.
It really is I will say that that's the beautiful
thing of this is that it really I really hope

(16:06):
that just the viewers who are watching this episode and
after they're watching this episode really handle that with care
and handle that vulnerability with care. And that's something that
when I when I see people share these you know,
these stories and in these moments, it is really a
beautiful thing and it shows so much courage on their part.

(16:28):
And I also know that the Internet can really take
these things and run with it. And I truly truly
hope that batchelor Nation sees this as strength and really
does you know, protect her and really handles this situation
as as it should be handled with so much care.
Yeah yeah, oh, one thousand percent. I mean anyone who

(16:51):
has hate or negativity coming towards I mean anyone in general,
but especially like Brooklyn in this case, like you have
no place doing that. But but I really again hope
too she can be a person that other people can
look up to and take inspiration from in a sense
to be able to get out of or hopefully like
take that step to get out of a very bad

(17:12):
toxic situation. So yeah, we had some good one on ones.
Sax seems to like really be into some of these women.
Let's really briefly just touch on this before we bring
Charity young because I don't even want to get her
involved in this drama between Kylie and Anastasia. It was
so weird because it was like actually something that we
kind of saw go down, like that first initial conversation

(17:34):
where Kylie went to go interrupt them to pull him aside, Like,
what were your thoughts on all of that, because it
really was like he said, she said, she said, she said,
type scenario, but like we saw it all play out,
So yeah, yeah, Okay, So here's the thing. Everyone who's
been on the show, it's so awkward. So like when

(17:55):
there was you know, when there's that initial interruption where
somebody's having a conversation with the lead and you have
to walk over and you interrupt, and a lot of
the time, most of the time, people do ask for
a few more minutes because it's a really short about
of time to get to know somebody and you're really
only sitting and talking to them for like what ten
fifteen minutes, and so that like that that's giving it

(18:16):
a lot too right, And so what's so hard is
the person that they're talking to. It comes off kind
of selfish if you ask for a few more minutes.
But like in the grand scheme of things, you're trying
to get engaged or see if it's worth an engagement,
and you're in the middle of a really vulnerable conversation
because you don't have time to do a lot of

(18:37):
small talk, and so it's hard because it's like you
don't want to just like put a nail in it
and then leave. So it's like I understand that, but
then I also understand having to be selfish or firm
on the other hand as the person who interrupts and
so like when Kylie came up and said asked for

(19:00):
to steal him, and you know, Anastasia said, give me
a few more minutes. And then it went back to
Kylie and she said, but please, like, can I just
steal him, like take him right now? Please don't make
me fight for it. It wasn't please make don't please
make me like duke you out for it, like, and
she wasn't coming at her like that. She was just saying, like,

(19:21):
I'm holding firm. Please don't make me like really like
fight for this more than we all know. It's a
difficult situation. Like that's how I took it. Yeah, and
it truly like that. There was no physical threat, no, no,
and so and that's where I was taken away out
of context. Like I get that Anastasia was upset that
she was you know, that Zach was being pulled. You

(19:43):
could clearly tell that Kylie was very uncomfortable to do
that in the first place. She didn't necessarily want to
get in there and be like, Hi, I'm gonna pull him.
But like, also timing is of that sense, and like
you only have like because it is a show like
it is kind of structured in the way of like okay,
like you can go talk to him next. You can
go talk to him next, like go get in there.
You have a couple of minutes right Like so, I

(20:05):
think it was totally blown out of proportion. I don't
think Kylie was coming at her. Kylie clearly did not
want any altercation. She just wanted to talk to the
to the lead. I think though also too, And this
is where I like tried to put myself back in
that place, Like I think it also would have been
helpful for Zach to not just sit there, and I
think he should have been Like I wish Zach would

(20:25):
have stepped up and been like, hey, Kylie, give me
two more minutes with her, and then I'm going to
come pull you right after this, Like I remember being
in that mindset where I was like, oh, I don't
want drama. I don't want guys to fight over me,
Like I want to finish this conversation. Give me a
couple of minutes and so and so I will come
find you. Like I think that's all he had to say.
And I really wanted him to step up in that moment,

(20:45):
and you know, he just didn't. He felt awkward too,
but that's what I was kind of hoping for. And
at the end of the day, it's like, I know
that it's almost like he said, she said, but typically
it's like he said, she's said, and trying to prove
to the lead what happened. The lead was there, like
he was there in the situation, he read the room,

(21:08):
he knew like if he really felt like Anastasia was
at threats, I think he would have he wouldn't have
let anything happen, you know what I mean. So it's like,
I really no it was. Yeah, no, if there was,
I don't know, just no, it could have. It could
have just been there. Yeah, we get that, but there's

(21:30):
no physical threat. I do not miss this moments. So
that's all I have to say. But neither. Who we
have been missing for a couple of weeks is Charity.
So we have been so excited to have her on.
So let's not wait make her wait any longer. Let's
just bring her on right now. Perfect welcome, Charity. We

(21:55):
are so happy that you are finally on the podcast.
And like I'm just preface this of like you you are,
I mean, because girl, like you are? You are current favorite.
You are not even current, Like I just I feel it,
like deep in my soul, this girl's gonna go far.
This girl's gonna go far. I love hey also to

(22:17):
be here. You look stunning like first and foremost, Like
I mean, you're everyone that comes on the show is stunning, right,
don't get me wrong, but you just you are beautiful.
We're so so so happy to have you on. Um,
I want to just ask, like before we get into everything,
is this your first podcast? This is like I don't
I don't do podcast, but this is like the first one.

(22:38):
So I'm like so honored that is with you all
because I mean I'm fangirling a little bit, but like, honestly,
I'm so happy to be here. Oh my gosh, well
it has been a long time coming since night one. Um,
how did you get cast on the show? Like? Were
you a fan of it before? M Okay, so funny enough, Um,
I my best friend from high school. Um, she actually

(23:00):
nominated me. And the thing is with her, she is
not like a Bachelor like fan by any means. Like
I watched it like and I've watched several seasons, like
y'all seasons Peter Hannah Brown's. I've seen so many, but
I never at one point decided like, Okay, I'm gonna
nominate myself for this. So she actually kind of brought
up the idea and she was like, I'm going to
nominate you. I had gotten recently got out of a

(23:21):
relationship like two years ago, and so I think her,
along with like a lot of other people in my life,
were like really happy that I was no longer in
this relationship, so they took advantage of that moment. And
she was like, I'm going to nominate you. I think
you'd be perfect for it. You have like a great personality.
And I did not take her serious because eighty percent
of our relationship is just us always like goof and all.

(23:42):
So I was like, okay, whatever you're gonna you're gonna
nominate me. And so I remember like it was right
after I had finished my master's degree, so I had
just like graduated, like a week after. I had gotten
the call and it was from one of the casting
producers and I was like, okay, like there's only one
person that mentioned this to me. So I remember texting
her ride away and I was like, did you nominate me?

(24:02):
And then she goes Yeah, why whatn't I? I was
for real and I was like, okay, great, so here
we are. And so that's kind of was the process
of how I ended up here. Wow, that's crazy. Okay,
I just peeped out though. You said that you had
just finished your master's degree. Yeah, was that just everything
that you're doing now with I know that you mentioned
that you were a that you were a child like

(24:24):
and family therapist. Yeah. Yeah. So I did both of
my undergraduate and my master's degree at Auburn. So I
went to Auburn and so once I finished, I got
my master's in mental health counseling. And my internship was
actually within like trauma, and so I worked at a CIAC,
which is a child advocacy center, and so we kind

(24:45):
of see the worst of the worst cases, which is
like really like hard. But I was so incredibly passionate
about that work, so I kind of just decided to
stay in that line of practice. And so you kind
of mentioned or you can hear me mention it a
little bit on the the show with Zach talking about that.
But I still work with kids and then kind of
getting that family aspect too, So it's really more trauma Ficus,

(25:08):
but really do have a heart for that and incredibly
rewarding work. That's so wonderful, and I feel like, yeah,
you probably do such difficult work. You probably see so
many terrible things in your line of work. So just
thank you for being there for those kids. Yeah, I
wanted to ask you this, and I was thinking about

(25:28):
this like once we knew that we were going to
have you one so taking it back, and I don't
remember what week it was, but there was one group
date that you were on where oh it was it
was the group date where Tash came and crashed the
night portion and everyone, all of the women are kind
of spirally freaking out like is she gonna stay? Is
he going to keep her? And you in that moment,
and I actually said this on the podcast a couple

(25:49):
of weeks ago, you were like, let's do some grounding exercise, Yes,
but just let us all calm down, yeah, which I
was thinking like, damn, I wish we would have had
somebody do that on Arcis and that could that kind
of just like kept us level even keeled. Did you
find yourself doing that a lot throughout the season when
things kind of went awry with other women? To kind

(26:10):
of help bring them back down and yes and to
answer that and so funny thing y'all bring that up
because I did, like kind of almost instantly kind of
feel like, Okay, I might be playing the therapy cost
roll here like all season. I'm don't even check from ABC,
but like, but um, I remember just like a lot
of the girls did just kind of find like comfort

(26:30):
and like coming to me and talking about things, and
and I'm not thinking in that moment like, oh, like
they're utilizing me because of like my profession. I also
just think like it was just like we were all
like such a close cast and it was easy to
like really talk to people. But I admire that a
lot of the girls did like try to come and
talk to me. And so throughout throughout the season, like
you'll see little snipp like peaks of me trying to

(26:53):
implement some like therapy tactics and like groupe chat like conversations.
So yeah, I kind of bounced back and forth a
little bit. We're on the season. I was on that.
That's honestly, even just like talking to you the few
minutes that we have spoken, and for those who are
at home listen or wherever you guys are listening, she
charity is like glowing act. She's speaking about what she does.

(27:15):
And I absolutely love that. I love that you're so
passionate about working and just helping with helping people, helping children.
But how whether it was on the show or whether
it's now, how do you maintain that balance? How do
you maintain the balance of you you care about these
people that you work with, you care about the girls
that you're helping on the show, right, but it also

(27:35):
can be really heavy when you're in a line of
work with that It's it's built on passion, right yeah, yea,
how do you like maintain that balance and make sure
that you're okay? Like who's checking in on you? Whether
it was on the show, you're trying to navigate your
relationship with Zach, but also you're trying to help everybody
else think through things. And you know, at home or

(27:56):
when you're working, you're navigating through these really difficult stories.
And it's not like that weight or that emotion gets
taken off once you leave your office or at the
end of the day. So how do you wrap your balance?
And this is like really cliche to say, but like
self care and like I don't take it lightly at all.
It's something that's very important and not even just for me,
like anyone to practice no matter what you're doing. And
I have grown to know that, like self care is

(28:19):
not for me, like sometimes might just mean like Okay,
I'm not gonna be on my phone, or like it
could be like I'm gonna go extraccise where I'm gonna
go on a walk and I'm gonna do this, Like
there's so many things that are incorporated within like self care,
and so that's just strongly something that I lean into.
Whether that's like journaling. I remember on the show, like
I journal every single day. I'm a spiritual person, so

(28:41):
like I was doing like divations like things like that
to just kind of help me keep my mind at
bay with things. But then also they're just like connecting
with other girls too, Like I knew like I was
close with a lot of the girls, like almost every
single one on this season, and so just finding those
people that I knew I could have like maybe more
like deeper conversations with m that was like really important

(29:02):
for me. So it I mean it could be anything,
but for me, that's just kind of just self here.
It is just what I do. And burnout in my
field is very like easy to happen, like I remember,
like and obviously I do trauma, so like it's not
like light. But like what you said you mentioned like
leaving your work at home, like I don't take anything
home with me, Like I leave it at the door,

(29:22):
and it's like it'll be there for me next week
or whenever I go in again. But I try to
just like what's for work is for work, and when
I get home, like that's my time. Yeah, how was it?
How was that transition then? Well, I guess maybe two
transitions you could say, leaving work and you know, and
your stability, your family, your friends, your daily life routine,

(29:44):
leaving all that behind, coming on the show where you're
stripped of all that normalcy you're sort of your phone,
any contact with your family, and then coming back into
the real world and I'm assuming you went back to work. Correct, Yeah, Okay,
what were those two transition processes? Like, yeah, I can
imagine it was very difficult, still adjusting, yeah, but yes,

(30:06):
I think the hardest part for me, like going on
this show was like being stripped away from like my
support system because that's like all part of my self
care practices. It's like, Okay, if I need to like
get on the phone with like a friend, or if
I need to go out and go to like get
drinks or dinner whatever with my family whoever that may be,
Like that was not no longer there for me, so

(30:27):
like I kind of did struggle a little bit with that.
But adjusting back to I guess the real world after
the Batchel being in the bachelor bubble that was, I
think it was like not as hard because I was
just like so eager to get back, and I think
for me, like I just wanted to make sure, like
once I jumped back into work, that I was fully

(30:48):
like prepared to do that again, and so I did
kind of with my caseload. I just tried not to
have so many like clients all at once, because before
I was seeing a lot, and then now it's like
still like minimal, just because like I am still in
like an adjustment period myself, and so I want to
make sure that whenever I am like treating or like
just sitting with a client, that I'm like at my

(31:09):
full capacity to be able to pour back into someone
else's life. Do you ever that's a lot too. That's
so much. And okay, so you're you're currently in Georgia
right now? Yeah, and you're born and raised. Yeah, well
I'm not born. My dad was in the military, so
I was born in New Jersey, but I basically have

(31:29):
lived in Georgia, um my whole life and then went
to school in Auburn, so like lived in Alabium a
little bit. But obviously they're right next to each other.
So okay, So the accent that I hear an accent.
I say that because so you're like people, is it?
So it's from Georgia. It's everyone. Everyone says that, and

(31:50):
I'm like, I don't hurt and I obviously I know
I can't hear it myself, but like everyone says, you
have like this little bit of like this sudden draw
and I'm like, okay, like it's a little twin. I
guess people here. Yeah, it's it's very I love it.
I really do like it as well. Is that where
do you have family that that's living there as well? Yeah?

(32:11):
So am I. Um, both my parents are here, they're retired,
and then I have two siblings that live here as well,
and then I have another sibling. So I have two brothers,
one sister. M sister and brother live here, and then
my brother that's close is an aged with me. He
lives in North Carolina. Okay, so he's like only the
like not too far. Yeah, would you ever? I mean,

(32:32):
obviously the show does some crazy things and we don't
know if you and Zac end up together or where
that leads, Like would you ever consider moving away from
your family or is like this home base like Georgia's
where you want to be? I'm like eager to like
move away, not in yeah, not in the sense that
I'm like ready to like be away from my family,

(32:54):
Like I think I will always have that like component
of me, like being family oriented in that sense, but
like I am just ready to like let's start afresh,
because I mean, like I said, being in school for
so long, it was still like I was still in
close proximity with my family and like friends, So I
do have like a bit of like you know, comfortability here,
but like, in no way am I like attached to

(33:16):
like Georgia like I want to leave. Okay, Well, if
you ever need tour guides in either Minnesota or California
calling up, because we got to very very vastly different. Okay,
oh my gosh, I wanted to ask something more about
like projecting to the future, and I totally lost my training.
Oh no, no, no, sorry, this is what I wanted
to ask back to family. All you know, we've all

(33:39):
done the show, and we've all it's one thing when
you're filming it, but it's another thing when it starts
to air, and it can be awkward at times, It
can be cringey at times. Have you been watching it
back with your family with your friends? What has that
been like? Because I used to watch with my family

(33:59):
and I was like, okay, fast forward, fast forward. I
have watched it with both like um friends and family.
I remember like the first night obviously the premiere, I
watched it with like everybody, so my like family friends
were all together and um for the most part, like
I know, like I kind of preface them, like if
I thought something was coming up, but like I don't

(34:21):
think I didn't anything that was like too crazy. But
I just like the sing scenes obviously, like night one,
everyone's like like okay, like come on, guy, so uncomfortable.
It wasn't it so uncomfortable. It's like it's like you. Oh,
especially like dad is in the room, in the room

(34:41):
and my dad is like trying to just like mask
and he's like scrolling on the phone. Okay, I'm like,
oh god, it's just a different type of like there's
like vulnerability and like showcasing yourself to the world and
like being vuln in relationship and like, yeah, vulnerability, like

(35:02):
vulnerability with watching it back, But like that's like one
vulnerability that I'm like, I don't know if I actually
I need this. I don't grow. I don't grow for
my dad seeing me make out with Michelle Ryan. I'm sure, Well,
who knows. Maybe Cherty, Um, you never know, maybe you'll

(35:24):
have to live with that too one day. Family watch
it back, just let me know, maybe if you need
me to fly to Georgia so that I can start
prepping your dad to see you on the screen a
little bit longer, you know, maybe trying to find your
own I'm doing this. Here's the thing though, back and

(35:44):
I know, Jack shit, we're just manifesting. Like I really
if you're with Zach, I really hope you're happy. But
part of me also is like I'm gonna say it.
I'm gonna say I hope you're not with Zach and
I hope your bachelor. I'm saying it right now, God,
because you want to know why we need an Oh
my gosh, we need a bachelorette like you. Just you
have it all. You're so well rounded, you're so sweet,

(36:06):
you're such a hard worker, you're genuine love your perspective.
Not a woman of color, like I absolutely love it.
Bless our screens please, But if you are with Zach,
I'm sorry. I wish you well. Thank we friends. I'm
just I'm manifesting such a ban I would say, I
hope it doesn't work out. We want you for better.

(36:29):
Campaign starting it now, we're campaigning. Give us a little
bit of background, like prior to the show, had you
been in any like long term relationships, Like what was
your path like that could like get you to this
point where you're like, Okay, I do want to find
a lifelong partner. M So yeah. So kind of mentioned

(36:49):
it a little bit when I how I got nominated.
So the relationship that I was kind of talking about then, Um,
it was a pretty long relationship. It was like six
years on and off, so long dated like senior like
it's like high school Speeheart like literally like this is
my person. So high school Speehearts, went off to college.

(37:10):
We had some turmoil there like on and off, but
then kind of came back together like a little bit
right before I started grad school. But then it obviously
just like didn't work out. It was just a really
like unhealthy relationship. And I think in that moment, like
I was the one that kind of had to pull
the plug on it and like decide for myself, which
was something that was really kind of hard for me

(37:32):
to do because I'm typically the type of person that
likes succeeded a good in everyone, and I'm like, okay,
like this person like they're capable of like changing or
like I take what they say and I mean like
they mean what they say to me. And so I
had to pull the plug on that. And I think
in that moment, like it was just a moment where
I had to like stand up for myself and advocate,
like what are the things that I want in a relationship,

(37:53):
not just like what this person needs and always like
giving into what they want. And so did a lot
of like therapy with that and just like healing and
trying to figure out what it is that I actually
did want and so kind of getting to this point,
like I dated like people after that, um, but they
were by no means like a really long relationship. It
was like a few weeks or like a month if that,

(38:16):
and then just kind of realized that this isn't my
person either, and so, um, I think right before this show,
I just kind of had a period where I was like,
I'm not going to see anyone, Like I just need
to really like just strictly focus on myself. And then
this opportunity came and I was like, well, you know what,
here we are. Here's a side, right, here's a side.

(38:41):
Did you feel like it was like, um, an opportunity,
like a door was just opening that that that you
were supposed to take this, And did you have new
reservations when the opportunity was presented? Yeah, I think I
definitely had reservations. I think it's I mean, it's kind
of hard to say, like you go on something like
this and you're not like maybe like an unsure about
how the outcome could be or what could actually transpire.

(39:03):
But for me, with the timing of everything, like everything
just kind of fell into place, like just graduating and
then like getting the call and then like having all
summer of like going through the like the casting process,
and then um, I remember like right before like the
decision was made for me, like everything was just like
pointing to like the Bachelor, and I was like, I

(39:25):
don't know what this means, Like I don't know how
to take this, but I'm like, you know what, like
if it's for me, it's for me, and if it's not,
it's not. And like that was kind of like my
mindset going into this, like I wasn't going to force anything.
But I remember just like all right, if you know,
when something presents itself to you, it's almost like I believe,
like everything does happen for a reason, good or bad,

(39:46):
and so I kind of had to like put my
perspective there, and I remember just like it still didn't
hit me until, like I think getting out of the Women,
I like holding Saxon, and I was like, I don't
know what I'm doing. That's how everyone feels. Yeah, they're like, pa,
I'm sure, So when did you When did you find
out that Zach was going to be the lead, And
like have you watched Gabby and Rachel's season? Did you

(40:08):
know a little bit about him. M yeah, So I
did watch Gabby and Rachel's season, and so I did
remember like seeing him and like he was definitely someone
I was like, okay, Like he wasn't like at the forefront,
like you know, his personality. I don't think like came
all the way through the screen. But I was like, okay,
like he seems like endearing and like really charming and
just like a good person. And so I remember watching

(40:30):
UM it was like the finale, after the final rose
when he was announced. I was with some friends and
we were having like a wine night, and I remember
I think, were you recorded because it was part of
the like what I submitted for my UM like promo video.
But um, I remember we were all sitting there and
I was like, I don't know who it's going to be,
but like I think it might be Zach, but like

(40:51):
it could be also anyone else, Like I genuinely don't know.
And I remember him like when they said it's Zac
and I was like, oh my goodness, Like I was like,
I don't know, I got honestly like kind of felt
like multiple emotions, like it wasn't like yeah, but it
also wasn't like I hate this choice, Like no way.
I was like, okay, let's see like how he like
handles himself on this stage, and like you know what
he talks about. And so I remember when he came

(41:13):
and sat down with Jesse and he started talking about
like his intentions, like what he was looking for, like
a person of like good character, like he is looking
for his best friend. I remember him talking about his parents'
marriage being married for like thirty something years. I was
like all those things were kind of just like in
alignment with also the things that I was looking for,
and like we had very similar like connections, like my

(41:34):
parents were married for forty seven years. So I was like, okay,
this is great. And I remember like him also just
being nervous, so like it all, it wasn't like he
was put together in a sense. It was like he
was apologetically himself and I love that. I was like,
he's goofy, he's a little nervous, like it's not a full,
like put together like mask. And so I think I
really resonated with him on the stage and like I

(41:55):
kind of had this like sense of peace. I was
like Okay, like I don't know if there will be
a connect shout when I get there, but I'm here
for it, so we'll see. I love that you went
into it with that mentality, and I think everyone can
relate to being like, yeah, I'm excited, but like, also,
who knows, this could be like a totally terrible fit
for me, And it's really not like you said, it's

(42:18):
not until you get their night one you actually can
see each other. You can actually talk and interact and
like see if there's a connection where that's like when
it really starts to take place. And I love that
mentality because we've had so many people like throughout all
the seasons I've been podcasting for three years now, where
people are like, I was so excited, that's the one
I wanted, And I'm like, are you just saying that

(42:38):
because you're on this podcast right now right? I appreciate
the honesty. Did you feel like and you you just
spoke about, you know, like your past relationship and how
it kind of helped you like learn what qualities you
did or did not want in a partner, what were
some like once you got to know Zach and it
actually met him that he embodied that you did want
some qualities. It was for me, I was really looking for.

(43:01):
Just like the honesty. He was always very like up
front and just transparent, and like whether that meant like
it was a difficult conversation or like a good conversation,
Like he never held back, and I really appreciated that
because I know how hard that can be, especially like
even that's still kind of something like I like struggle

(43:22):
with a little bit of just like okay, like I
don't want to hurt some of feelings, but like I
need to be honest. Like that's something that he possessed,
and he was very consistent with that. But also just
like his confidence, like he was so certain in what
he wanted and like there was no like there was
no sway in that, like he knew like I came
in here for like marriage, I came in here for
my best friend, Like he's not here to play games.

(43:43):
And I think like knowing that that was his intentions
this whole time, like I never felt like I was
wrong by him, and so like just like that confidence
and like the honesty factor, it was really just like
it just shone through to him and so I was like, yeah,
I'm here, I love this. I love that for you,
and honestly speaking, of shining. I will say that the

(44:05):
moment that you stepped in to meet Zach, like it
seemed like sparks were flying. Then you hit the football date,
everybody to the beach party, like you literally do it all.
You truly do it all. But really back to that
moment of you building up getting to see if this

(44:26):
person potentially you know, could be somebody spend the rest
of your life with. When did you really start feeling
like those like butterflies and those types of sparks fly. Um, yeah,
I think it was after Um I will say Night one,
like that's a little same, but like I don't want
to say, like, oh my goodness, like no why I
was in love with the kid, but like I definitely
likely like I definitely felt like a little bit of

(44:51):
like a spark there just because like I think I
went into like Night one, like I wasn't even like
that wasn't on my radar to even like kiss him
or anything. Like I was just more focused. I'm like, Okay,
this is the opportunity to see, like is there a
connection there? And even if it's not there, like could
there potentially be one like that's developed later on one? Um,
And so I remember, like our conversation was very lighthearted,

(45:13):
but I remember when I started talking about like my
line of work, and then I think that was like
a really like connecting factor for him because of what
his mom um does. And so when he asked, like
kissed me, I was like, yeah, absolutely, like no hesitation there,
twist my arm shit, and he did. He asked to
kiss you, So we know that he did not ask

(45:35):
to said anyone, right, I mean he really didn't. How
was that? Oh? It was so it was so sweet,
so special. I think I was like so excited I
answered way too quickly. Like watching it back, he was
like can my kids just like yeah, like I'm so
he relax a little bit part now, but um, I
remember like the kiss was just like so sweet, so special. Um.

(45:57):
He really is like as genuine as it gets. And
that's something that I just like when it comes to guys,
like that's just rare. I'm gonna be honest, it's very rare.
So yeah, yeah, I admire that so much. Well, and
it seemed like that connection kept going because it was
in the next week that right, it was the next
week that you got the group date rose during that

(46:20):
evening portion, which I want to get into a little bit, because, yeah,
I'm so happy for you, and I felt it was
very deserved. How let's just start with that. How did
that feel when he called your name to give you
that group date? Rose, Yeah, I was. I was very shocked.
I was genuinely surprised, and not in the sense that
like I felt like I wasn't deserving of it, but

(46:41):
it was more so like there's so many other girls
here and you never know what those conversations were, like,
like you only know what your conversation is with you
and him, and although we had like a very fantastic
conversation just highlighting things on the group date and then
just like things that he admired me and like just
kind of getting that validation like one on one, but

(47:03):
to kind of have him come out out and also
give that validation in like a group setting. Like I
was genuinely so happy and wasn't expecting it, Like I said,
so I felt great. Um, however, we know like how
how things kind of go down. Let's get into that
a little bit. I don't want to start with that,
but we of course have to ask you we're here,

(47:24):
so let's Yeah, so obviously we saw Christina make some
comment of like hmm, whatever she said, I don't understand why.
And Michelle and I actually talked about this on the
podcast too, because we really don't rob charity of this moment,
like and it's not for Christina to understand why Zach
is making these decisions, like she's not pretty to your

(47:44):
private time, your conversations, like she has no idea, right,
and she did bring you to tears that night, So
what was that like when she first made that comment,
and like it kind of kept going for a little bit,
like once Zach to Zach walked away, like the girls
were still talking about it, like talk us through the bit. Yeah,
Initially when she had made the comment, I was just

(48:07):
like okay, like what, like what do you mean? I
think that's when you seem I'm like, I'm sorry, what
like bless your heart? Like what do you mean? And
I was a little taken aback, But I think I
don't know, and I don't want to fault myself for
like asking that to like almost in a sense like
that is what kind of continued the conversation because I
don't think me asking like for clarification like what did

(48:28):
you mean by this? Or what did you say is
the reason why she kept going. But I think, you know,
for in that moment, I don't want to fault her
for like how she felt, but I think it was
also just very important to like have a level of
self awareness of like reading the room almost or like
you see, like you can feel those feelings, You can
have those feelings, but maybe like this is not the

(48:49):
appropriate timing to vocalize that, especially in this setting, or
just like not knowing when to like kind of draw
the line like enough is enough type situation. So you
obviously the viewers like seeing me visibly like in tears,
And I don't want apologize for that too, because I
think we like stigmatize like tears as like a sign
of weakness. It's not like I think I were totally valid, yeah, right,

(49:14):
and from from a oh go ahead, no, you're good, um,
But I just remember, like for me, like that was
just I like had to think almost instantaneously, like how
am I going to like regulate myself in this moment,
Like do I want to like choose to like go
back and forth with someone or do I just want
to like have a moment to myself. And that's kind
of how I regulated myself, which just like through tears

(49:35):
and then you see me get up in extra stage
left like this is where the therapists where everyone could
take no from you. Yes, yes, I think I think
from a viewers standpoint, okay, because we were watching you
all go through the state. We're watching and we're seeing
I mean, we're seeing whatever, you know, whatever's coming across

(49:56):
our screens of your conversations and we're getting to know
you ladies and everything like that, and I think we're
like from a viewer standpoint for me personally, anyways, what
was so frustrating is you were the person that was
grounding everybody else and all these other all these other
moments right like you were there to calm people down.
You stepped outside of yourself to help others to like

(50:17):
bring that inner piece. And the least, the least that
we could do is just to have self awareness in
this moment. You don't have to. You know, you weren't
ever asking for someone to, you know, cheer you on
and let's go what shots and celebrate because you got
the group ros like you never expect that, but it's like,
but damn, like you give so much to the people
around you. And help them, and you kind of always

(50:39):
naturally fall into this position. So then for that moment
to be the one that where they're really kind of
cut or were not they Christina's coming at it to
really strips that away and I could see why that
would be hurtful and frustrating. And no, the tears you
you did phenomenal. You handled that. You are a stronger
woman to like the way, and I feel like it

(51:02):
has to play into kind of your self care that
you were talking about, where you were like, yeah, how
do I handle this? Like there's a couple different ways
I can take, but like how do I preserve my
energy and to just not keep egging it on, not
to keep asking questions and to just as you said
exit stage left. I was like, yeah, kudos, somebody get
this girl a trophy or something like the amount of

(51:24):
patience and just calm this that you exuded in that moment.
I was like, kudos to you, yeah, because it could
have gone yea sure, battles wisely, like this is not
a moment for me, right right, So, speaking of girls
that you may or may not be close with, who
were who were some of your best friends in the house, Yeah,

(51:48):
I like I said, we had a phenomenal cast, like
and I don't say that lightly, like a lot of
the girls and almost all of them, like I was
extremely close with um but you'll see, like there is
a few that like I'm just like all right, I
think after last week's episode, like Brooklyn, like she's a writer,
Like she is very protective but also has this very

(52:10):
like sweet side, and I really like just connected with that.
I was like, thank you so much for like standing
up for me, Like I appreciated that. Um Kylie, like
she's incredibly like sweet, um Ariel me and her have
like some of the best conversations, but she's also very funny.
And then um Katie, So Katie is just so so
down to earth, easy to get along with. So those

(52:31):
are the few of the ones that like really stood out.
I know that you mentioned so you can see that
you and Brooklyn are really close and I'm sure that
you guys really had so many conversations supporting each other
as you navigate through this really really weird, weird, weird world.
How how was it, honestly seeing and hearing how she

(52:51):
opened up to sactress about everything that she's been through. Yeah,
UM me and her really like talked a lot about that,
which it's so it's so weird because it's like these
are the people that were like going against or like
we're dating the same person, and it's really hard. But
I will say like I felt like I personally did
a phenomenal job of like just separating the two and

(53:14):
compartmentalizing like Okay, they're dating the same guy, but also
like I'm also forming friendships like in a weird way. Um.
And so at any point, like usually whenever the girls
talked about it, um, but like from Brooklyn standpoint, like
it was always just like out of like genuineness that
she was like bringing something up to me or talking
about certain things that she wanted to talk about with

(53:35):
him or what happened in her her life. UM. I
always met her there with like grace and so um,
me and her just like really just defended like a
really special bond. And so yeah, I don't know if
the answer the question, did it? Yeah? Yeah, yep, I
think And I think you said it best, like and

(53:55):
no one unless you're really on the show going through it,
I don't think people can really understand and like that
compartmentalization where it's like these are like you are forming
some lifelong friendships and you're getting really close with these people.
I mean, you're spending ten times more time in Brooklyn
than you are with Zack, right, So it makes sense
that you would get close and still like to knowing

(54:18):
her past and anyone's past, like knowing how important that is,
like if she were to be the one to end
up with Zak. Of course, these are conversations that have
to be had. So I think it's really good that
you had each other to lean on for support, because
I can't imagine her share in that would have been easy.
I mean not only with Zach, but let's be honest,
like with half of America that's probably watching this right
the world exactly. Yeah, did you feel like besides Brooklyn

(54:41):
you were able to get a lot of support from
the other women like reciprocated to you as well. That's
why I think we all were so close to season.
It's just like everyone is genuinely like so supportive of
one another, and we just, um, I think we were
all like selfishly like in a way, like rooting for ourselves,

(55:01):
but also like other girls too, um, which is like
I said, it's a weird distinction to make, but we
I definitely had that support from a lot of the
girls in the house. We love that we can ye'll
see everything that flows through your so that's amazing. And
of course because of all this, we're not shocked that
you received a rose this week and then you learn

(55:23):
that you guys are going to London. They're how excited
were you? Have you so excited? When he said London?
I was like, oh my goodness, um, because I was
actually gonna go to London, like I think before I
came on the show, like this past summer, but like
I just ended up not going. So I was like, okay,
this is like also on my bucket list to go.

(55:43):
So I was like really excited. Um, never been before,
So I had no idea what was going to be
in store, but I genuinely was like feeling all the emotions.
When he said all right, we're going to London, I
was like, Hey, yeah, how fun. I feel like this season,
you guys are getting in some really good cities, well countries,
cities in the countries, like right away. I feel like

(56:07):
usually we live in the mansion for like three ish
weeks and then we start traveling. It's usually like for
the most part domestic and then you go in international,
like oh Dan, they're going international right away, right on? Damn. Um, Well,
we're so excited to see what's to come obviously in
London and be on into that and and I mean,

(56:29):
Michelle and I obviously love you and are manifesting that
you go very far, So we can't wait to see
what happens between you and Zach. Without getting too much away,
can you give us a little teaser of what's to come?
M Um, Yeah, there's gonna be a lot of emotions,
a lot of emotions, and um, without too many teasers.

(56:54):
I mean, we're going to London, so it's gonna be
a little chilly, so maybe that's like a louding to
some things. Yeah, good teaser. Oh yeah, to like multiple
I'm like taking this all kinds of boys now because
you're gonna get cozy or does it get chilly with
the drama? Does that make sense? That was a really

(57:19):
good teaser. That was like the best teaser we've had
usually it's unique, right, But Okay, so I have to
ask this. I've wanted to ask this from the start,
but if the opportunity were to be presented, to you.

(57:42):
We want you to be a bachelor, But if it
was presented to you, would you accept? Um? I think
I would. Um. Yeah, I mean I think it takes
a very special person to be in kind of the
driver's of something like this. Um. And I think for me,

(58:03):
like I think you guys obviously can see my heart
and see like how adamant I am um about my
journey and so I feel like you know, if it
was to happen, it could be a good thing. So yeah,
I would. I would be open Hell Jesus, Jesus who

(58:23):
thinks who sings the song Jesus takes the wheel? Because
I'm so charity charity, I'm singing it and I'm a charity.
Take the wheel. I'll feel real comfortable. Then we are
manifesting this charity. We truly are, We truly are. It's
been such a joy talking to you. Like I said,
we have fought for you to get on this podcast

(58:45):
for so damn and it's been It's been so much
fun just getting to know you, and we we can't
wait to continue to see us on our screens. And
we do want to play a quick game with you
so that our listeners can get to know you a
bit more, and it's called rapid fire. And so I'm
going to shoot a question to you and you're gonna

(59:06):
give like a one word response or a brief response. Um,
you don't have to give any explanation and it'll just
like be super up tempo. You're ready. Yeah. Are you
an early riser or a night owl? Definitely night owl?
We are up. What is the best suiting advice you've
ever received? Um? I will have to say, love yourself first, yeah, putting. Yeah,

(59:29):
it's not selfish to love yourself first at all. That
was deep. We're going now. What is what is your
go to pizza order? Um, the Kevin mccallister's special. It's cheese.
I love it, but I might not love cheese pizza kicks,
so it's I get a girl. Okay, wrong. Give us

(59:50):
one word that your best friends would use to describe you. Um.
I think they must say authentic, like Charity's real, Like
she's just real. I get that. Your favorite curse word
probably fuck, oh my god. Everyone always pauses, They're like,
can I curse on this? Yes? No, I'm not. Probably

(01:00:15):
need a straight TikTok rad Okay, what is the most
played song or artists in your library. I'm a Drake girl.
Mmm lottle toxic maybe, but I love Drake, so hey,
I'll write my favorite cocktail. Um, I'm a French seventy

(01:00:39):
five girl, which is um gin and champagne and lemon juice.
But I sometimes switch out the gin and we'll like
add tequila. So yeah, I had no hesitation with that
one real quick. I like it. Well, I'm gonna have
I'm gonna have to send you some of my sparkling
wine bordone just so you can try it in this cocktail.

(01:01:00):
I actually stuted to make it all the time, Like
I shouldn't even renamb it that, but like I went
through a phase where that's all I would drink, Like
back in April, I was obsessed. I was like, I
gotta cut this out a little bit. But oh my goodness,
that's a good one. It is okay, if you could
be any animal, what would it be? Um, a cheetah.
They're giving like fears, but like not not doing too much,

(01:01:24):
like a bonus, like a subtle bonus. I guess yeah,
that's like I'll work for it if I have to,
But until exactly exactly you love? What is the current
screen saver on your phone. Um, it is me and
my best friend. I'll show you guys. Um, we're just
such little I don't know if you guys can see it. Okay, Yeah,

(01:01:46):
we love bestie. What's her name? Bestie? Karina? Hi, Karina,
shout out to you girl. Okay, besides London, if you
could visit one place in the world, where would you go? Um?
I feel like I'm the only person who has not
been here, but see training grees so beautiful. I haven't been. Yes,
okay girls, girls yet people have, but I need to

(01:02:10):
go there immediately. Love that. If you had to describe
this season of The Bachelor in one word or phrase,
what would it be, M I will say sentimental. Um,
and that's not like a sad It's like sentimental can
be anything. But I think for like both the contestants

(01:02:32):
and like with Zach, like you'll see, there's just a
lot of a lot of emotions that are going to
be involved. All right, Well, you have us hooked. We
can't wait to see more of you. Okay, So this
is the last part. And we always love to share
resources with our listeners, So just important information or topics
or hence the name a resource that people can go

(01:02:53):
to to learn more about, especially diversity. We think it's
so important to just know more within this franchise. Um,
So I'll just start Michelle can't take it after that,
and then we'll wrap with you, and then after that
we'll get into our fun little Rose and Thorn, which
I'll describes. But um so my resource it was actually
something different, but I switched after Rihanna gave me some

(01:03:15):
info during the Super Bowl and we all know that, well, Michelle,
you definitely know you have fenty products. But I figured
it would be a good time to share some black
owned beauty businesses just because it is Black History Month.
So I'm gonna I have a quick list. The first
one I'm going to start with. The name is Pattern.

(01:03:37):
It's hair products. I actually bought some of the products
for Thomas for his beautiful black curls that he absolutely loves. So, um,
if you need any good hair products, it's called Pattern.
They still at Target too, which isn't they do? Yes,
they do. And then a couple other ones here and
I'll screenshot all of these and linked them all my
highlights real and take them so you can quickly go

(01:03:58):
anyone listening can go and look at it. Another black
owned beauty brand is called Jubious Place. There's also one
called Mented, which I have seen some of my girlfriends
use and my mother my future mother in law as well.
And then the last one is mel So I will
link them and tag them on my Instagram so anyone
can go check them out and you know exactly where

(01:04:19):
to find them, very easily perfect. All right, So last
week I spoke a lot about just like this one
sheet that you can go to with like really celebrating
Black History Month, the dues and the don'ts, and making
sure that it's not this like water down version. And
a big piece of that was making sure that you're

(01:04:40):
purchasing kind of goes alongside of what Becca saying, but
purchasing products that are coming directly from a black owned
business and not purchasing products that are going through a
why owned business that is trying to represent black owned products.
And so what I found would be really helpful this
week is there is a website called Black Owned Map,

(01:05:01):
and it's essentially this black marketplace where you can type
in what you're looking for, whether it's hair products, beauty products,
whether it's other services, that you need to get done,
and it will direct you to a list of different own,
black owned businesses in your area or that are close
to you. And so again it's the Black Owned Map,
and I will link it in my heighlights and everything.

(01:05:23):
But it's just a really easy way that you can
go through, filtered and like credible source of being able
to actually locate those businesses that we can support. I
love that. Yeah, Yes, thank you Michelle and Charity. You
are up if you have yes the same Mine is
actually a podcast but Alex l she's a restorative writer

(01:05:46):
and author and she has several books a lot with
like healing, but her specific podcast with Libby Delaney is
called This Morning Walk, and this podcast essentially focuses on
mindfulness practices is and the transformative power of how a
morning walk can basically like set the tone for your day.
And so I'm a person who really strives and tries

(01:06:08):
to incorporate mindfulness into my life, which is essentially just
being present and learning to kind of detach and separate
and living in the moment. And so she has a
lot of like different prompts that are for each individual,
like morning podcast that she kind of walks you through,
but then also teaches you different types of breathwork just
good for like breathing and keeping you calm and so

(01:06:31):
good tranquility here. But I love her, I'll adore her work,
and so that's just a good podcast if you're looking
to kind of incorporate that or struggle with trying to
find time to practice my mindfulness so amazing, Well, thank you.
I'm going to check that out because I could use
anything to help my stress levels. I think that's and
you probably I'm assuming you. Yeah, those techniques on the season,

(01:06:54):
I can imagine you start. You started early, so that's definitely. Yeah. Well, Charity,
before we let you go, we have the fun part,
which is the rose and the thorn. So from your
time so far on on film me and Zack season
or even just watching it back, everything that we've seen,
what has been your rose, which is your highlight? And

(01:07:16):
then thorn could be like a cringing moment, an awkward moment,
something that you're like, ah, I could have lived without
that time. Yeah, I will say the rose will have
to be the Bahama group day I was truly thriving.
I will say, um, my thorn, Oh, this is like

(01:07:39):
tricky I'm like, I feel like there's different ones, but um,
I will have to say for me, saying goodbye to
the girls, like it's never easy, and I don't think
like that even like change doesn't matter like your relationship
or dynamic. It's just like we spend so much time
with each other, so it's still hard nonetheless, and so
having to like say goodbye or just living through another

(01:08:02):
rose ceremony. Yeah, so yes, that's like, yeah, well it's
in the grand scheme of things. I feel like that's
a good thorn to have because it means, like, yeah,
building connections and forming those friendships, which is so important.
So Charity, we have absolutely loved having you on. It
was such a pleasure, I really, I mean, I can't

(01:08:22):
wait to see more of you on Zach Sason. But
Michelle and I are going to fight hard for you
for lead next season. So this will not be the
last few hear of us apologies in advance. It's going
to be hashtag charity for Batchelrette from here on out, everyone,
so just deal with it. Yeah, I just signing on
as a full time campaign. I'm Michelle, and I support

(01:08:46):
this message, this message. Yes, y'all have been such a class.
It's honestly, like, I'd never thought I would even have
this moment with you guys, so I'm so glad I did.
And y'are so fun, so sweet, So thank you guys.
Let me and has to navigate, always reach out, whatever
you need, we got you. Um. You know, it's a

(01:09:07):
it's a weird world and a weird time with everything
that's happening. So yeah, we're always here, um for whatever
you need. Yeah, so thank you guys, Thank y'all. I'm upseted.
I love her. She's just she's just got it all.
She's just she's the person you want in the driver's spot, Like,

(01:09:27):
she's just she's so sweet, she's so thoughtful. Um has
good a head, like a really good head on her shoulders.
So I just I hope with whatever happens um in
the future, I just hope that she's happy. Yeah, she's
the girl that you would have wanted on the season
with you, like somebody that is fun, so kind. You know,
she's a girl's girl, so she can kick it, but

(01:09:47):
also has that level head where she can kind of
keep you grounded in the midst of the chaos. So
I'm a huge charity fan. You know what I'm gonna say,
I'll I would love to see her as bouchelor Otte
one day, so I'm gonna keep my fingers crossed over here.
But until then, we still have a ways to go.
We still have more than half a season, so I
can't wait to see where she goes in the next

(01:10:09):
few weeks. So thank you Charity for joining us, and
a huge thank you to all of our Happy Hour listeners.
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(01:10:31):
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