Fantasy Suite Week with Chris Harrison

Bachelor royalty is in the studio today! Chris Harrison talks to Rachel and Becca about Peter’s rocky season, his feelings on the remaining three women, and how Peter is doing right now. And, Chris shares the real reason the women were living together during Fantasy Suite week.

Plus, Chris reveals his most dramatic moment in Bachelor history.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:02):
What's up? Everybody Happy Tuesday? Another episode of Bachelor Happy Out?
Can I before we get into everything, I just want
to set the mood here. I don't want to be here.
I'm gonna try to be as professional as possible because
I have Bachelor Nation Royalty sitting across from me in
the room. I'm gonna try to put on my good hat. Becca.

(00:23):
I know you share the same frustrations with me. I
just want to to say that off the top. You
know how we like to name every episode. I feel
like I want to name this episode. Am I missing something?
Question mark? I was gonna name it wt app exclamation
mark that works as well. Oh no, I'm just gonna
say it's been crazy. We keep saying it. It's crazier

(00:45):
and crazier, and this episode finally, I was like, I
need to take a moment away from the screen. Well,
we'll get into this because I want to get straight
to the podcast. I was about to say, I have
so many notes, and I think I was just venting
my frustration out in my notes this week, but we're
going to talk about it. I'm so glad to have
you here. I know you're on the road. We've been
following along everything that you're doing with Finn and Baucher

(01:07):
live on stage. I know you have your family there,
Minnow's there, Garrett's there with you right now. How's everything going, Yes,
it's been so much fun. It has been a much
crazier adventure than I could ever imagine, but it's been great.
So we are currently on the tour bus calling in.
We are driving through Salt Lake City as we speak,

(01:28):
but Minnow has already claimed the title as the official
Diva of the tour bus. Of course. Ar it's been uh,
you know, hog into Betty to Night, but it's been
very fun, good. I'm glad. I'm I can't wait to
join you whenever that may be, but soon. I know
we have to get to it because we don't. We

(01:50):
don't get to do this every day. It is not
every day that we get to have a legend on
our podcast. I don't know who we are, what we
did I to deserve to have the one and only
mister Chris Harrison, also known as our fairy godfather on
the podcast. Chris, thank you for joining us, ladies, thanks

(02:11):
for having me. I have to say, first and foremost,
your effing ring is huge. I'm just we're seeing I'm
saying across from Rachel right now. And I know you
guys can't see this. Your ring is insane. Thank you
that up again. I don't know if I've ever seen
a wedding. If you ask, I can definitely will Lord,
thank you, Chris. That is massive. Becca. You better get

(02:35):
you better. You better get at least that. Becca shines
as well. Um. And by the way, good to be
here in Becca. I know you're on the road. Congrats
to you and Ben. I know you guys are crushing
it out there. I'm hearing good things. Uh. And Rachel
says she wants to join you guys for a month
or south. Can't wait, thanks, but we do. I know

(02:57):
we have a lot to talk about with this episode,
so I don't even know where we start, though, I
want to pick your brain so badly. I'm here. I mean,
you were there in the heat of it. If we're
frustrated as viewers watching this, I can only imagine what
it was like to record this. You were there for
a week. We only get two hours of this, so
we were there, yeah, two weeks in Australia going through

(03:19):
this whole thing, and it was it was an interesting
season and journey with you know, speaking to two women
who I have gone through this with it, you know,
there's no there's nothing to compare it. And I know
I often say like, look, I can't compare seasons. You know,
Rachel season to Becca season to whoever is totally different.
But this season was so different on so many levels.
Going through it with Peter interesting. He's an interesting guy

(03:41):
and he's a good man. But you know, we'll get
into these relationships, and I think that one of the
reasons I love the show is we've all had certain
relationships like this, and it was just interesting to watch
Peter go through it. Which relationship are you referring to, Chris,
all of them, because they all really stand for some
thing very different. They really do bats our Nation. I'm

(04:03):
trying to get as much as I can out of calls.
By the way, this lid is going to pop off
the steam pot and Rachel's going to go off, and
I am here for it. I'm brewing, I say it.
I know the look in her eye. That's one thing
I do remember, is that look in her eye as
things were about to go off and this cattle is
about to blow. Well, I'm just confused. If I had

(04:24):
a subtitle to this episode, it would be compete. Just
catch a break? I mean, can the man get one
day off? And it seems every week he's going through something,
And just when we think, all right, it's fantasy suits,
here we are. He's down his final three, He's confident
in his decision. He can explore these relationships to another level.
Because this really really is an important week. Forget what

(04:46):
fantasy suits means to everyone else. This is the opportunity
for you to have that alone time that you so
desperately need at this point in the journey, so you
can make decisions that you need to move on. And
the one person who seems to be the most level
headed and normal is cracking. So Becca, let's just pick

(05:06):
up where we left off at the end of last week.
So we see Madison pulled Peter aside, she has this
talk with him. Now, I was a bit surprised at
what she said in that talk. What did you think? Becca?
So my issue and I'm glad that she I think
I've been waiting for this to come up, because obviously

(05:27):
in Rachel, you and I had touched face on this
a few weeks ago. Like, we knew that Madison was
saving herself. We knew that this was a conversation that
was about to go down. Was the timing the best?
Probably not? But my thing watching her conversation with Theater
is there wasn't really like I didn't know where she

(05:47):
was going with it. She basically said, you know, I'm
saving myself. Like what it seemed like was an ultimatum,
but there wasn't any hard, set fast conclusion from it.
It was just kind of like, wow, this is how
I feel. Do what you want, And it's kind of
left open, like, Okay, where is he supposed to go
from here? How is he supposed to take this? Like,
of course there's three of you lesson he's having started

(06:09):
feeling for I was just left wanting more and if
it's been such a big deal for her, I wanted
hurtance to what's the state what she was hoping for?
But did I miss something She didn't say in that
conversation that she was saving herself And I was screaming
it it's so unfair. I'm going to get to it

(06:30):
when we get to this part about Madison in Fantasy
Sweet Weeks, but she's talking about her faith she's talking
all around the subject, but she's not being direct as
to what's so important with her. So how can Peter
make a fully educated decision when you're holding on to
something that's so vital to this week? So she tells him.
She keeps saying, but I'm not giving you an ultimatum,

(06:51):
you know, my heart, and then literally defined ultimatum. Thank you, Chris,
you are Everything you're saying is an ultimatum. She said
several times, this is not an ultimatum, but then literally
defined in every word she said, an ultimatum. And she
did that throughout, you know, the entire episode. They're dating everything.
But if you do this, then this that is an ultimatum, Mattie,

(07:16):
and for anybody else who's confused on the definition of
an ultimatum, cause and effect, you do this, this will happen.
It is so nice to have conversations with a level headed,
logical people. And to Madison's credit or to her defense
or whatever, I think she knew what she wanted to
say at the airport after that Rose ceremony, and maybe

(07:37):
she just didn't know how to say it. She couldn't articulate.
It reminded me of Victoria trying to have the conversation
on the doorstep after the hometown date of they're not
saying words, and they're not putting those words together into sentences,
and those sentences are definitely not conveying any thoughts. And
that is difficult to follow, especially when you're trying to
make big life choices. And so Madison, I I knew

(08:00):
where she was trying to go, but man, she couldn't
get there, and Peter didn't know where she was trying
to go. And I think that's what's so hard. And
I'll pose this question to both you and Chris. Becca,
why do you think it was so my theory? But
why do you think it's so difficult for Madison to
say this? Because this is who she is. She has
defined herself as you know, being faith based. She's a Christian.

(08:23):
These are her morals and her values. And she was
very matter of fact when she had that conversation with
Peter on their second date, week seven. Why is it
so hard for her to say, but I'm also saving
myself for marriage. Why can't she make that declarative statement.
I don't understand it, and I'm looking for help. I'll

(08:45):
just say this for her and this is a conversation
I really want to have with her at some point.
Obviously we don't know how this ends, and maybe it's
with her and Peter, maybe it's just with her. However
this turns out, I want to have a conversation because
she has a difficult time, as you said, articulating a
very strong belief and so there is a not a hypocrisy,

(09:06):
but I don't know a divide there because a hypocrisy
has such a negative connotation. I want to put a
negative connotation on this because I respect her thoughts, I
respect her feelings, and it's just being able to express
something that's so strong in your heart and in your soul.
I don't know why she has trouble and she really
won't make that statement that you were talking about of Hey,

(09:29):
this is where I am in my life and my faith.
If anyone is going to take this journey with me,
you got to be on this same walk. Period. Look, yes,
that's an ultimatum. But by the way, I don't have
a problem with ultimatums. If that is where you are,
then that's fine. And if this relationship doesn't go along
with those standards, then we go our separate ways. It's

(09:49):
the fact that they can't have that conversation is what
frustrates I think everybody, and I think it's incumbent upon
her to figure out how to have those conversations at
some point in her life and truly understand what she's
asking and what she's saying. That's right, And I think,
so I grew up Catholic, so I feel like I

(10:10):
and I could be totally up face. I don't want
to put work in Madison's mouth or her family, but
growing up as a Catholic, it's kind of like that
you just don't talk about it. There are certain words
that it's like, you don't want to say sex, you
don't want to say virgin. And again, I don't know
what her face is if she is Catholics enough, but

(10:31):
I know a lot of it gets brushed under the
word growing up, and I think that could have something
to do with it. It's like we saw her sit
down with her mom at hometowns and her mom kind
of skirted around the fact of her face too, and
that she did save herself. But those words aren't being used,
those declarative statements aren't being used, and I don't know
if that has a lot to do with her faith,

(10:53):
if it's just something you don't talk about with other
people because it is so sacred. But we've seen it,
not only know with Madison, but a lot of the
girls serves this season. They don't know how to have
these deep conversations with that depth, with certain words, with
certain burbage, with these declarative statements that kind of skirt
around the facts, with their conversations with Peter. And I

(11:16):
think he finally see it because with him throughout the
entire episode with Peter and Madison, he keeps saying, just
so I can be clear, Just so I can be clear,
I need to be clear here. He uses that phrase
so many times throughout this because he can't quite get
to the bottom of what exact data she wants and
what she's saying. This is what bothers me. We're just
going to get into it. This is what bothers me

(11:38):
about her not saying it one. It doesn't give Peter
the full information that he needs to make to have
the right mindset to go into this week. I don't
understand why she's holding back. What are you so fearful of?
And I think you were saying you don't want to say,
Chris that she's being a hypocrite because it is a
strong word. So I think it's a contradiction. You sit

(12:02):
here on week seven and you say this is who
you are, but then you don't tell him all of
who you are, so you're it's like, what are you
so fearful of? And I guess it's like, if this
is these are your morals, this is your value. It's
beautiful that you have made these commitments and this is
what you live by. And I love that you hold
yourself to that standard and you believe in it. I

(12:22):
think that's beautiful. I just think that if this is
who you are, then you wear it proud, and you
wear it like a badge, and you wear it because
you want to attract a certain type of man, because
that is what you want for yourself. And I almost
feel like she's trying to turn Peter into a man
that she wants that he's not in Becca. You and
I talked about this how a lot of times as women,

(12:43):
we think we can change you. Oh, we can will
make excuses for him, I can make him better. And
I just think if you're not telling him and you're
holding back from it, one I think it's selfish because
it's not fair to him, it's not fair to the
other women. It's not fair that you've come this far
in the journey and you're holding this information back. So
why are you holding it back? I am going to

(13:05):
say what other people are probably too afraid to say.
If I'm putting on my logical hat and I think
about this, why are you holding it back? Because we
all know you want a Christian man. There are so
many ways to meet a Christian church mission trip through
mutual friends, you know, one way to not really meet
them The Bachelor. Let's just be honest. The Bachelor isn't

(13:27):
a show that stands on Christian values. It doesn't. It's
not rooted in the Bible and biblical beliefs. So why
are you coming on this show? Knowing how this show works.
We all know that you get to this point in
fantasy sweet week, So to be logical, well, at the
very least you know that he was with Hannah many
times over. I mean that was a pretty so you

(13:47):
at least know this guy is not that. And the
thing is, he's actually a faithful person. He is a
man of faith in his own way. Yeah, but not
in your way and you you knew that coming in
this is this is Peter sex and a win, Peter
four times in a windmill. Peter, you knew this. This
isn't sean lower Ben Higgins like he has been sexualized
coming onto this season. Right, Yeah, you decided to come on.

(14:09):
So for me, the logical thing is one, you came
on because you just wanted to be a part of
this experience. Two, you came on this show because you
wanted the platform that it was going to give you.
Had you told him earlier that you were saving yourself
for marriage, maybe you were fearful that he would send
you home and you wouldn't make it as far as
you did. You wouldn't be in Australia, you wouldn't have
the number of followers that you have, or three you

(14:30):
want to be the bacherette got you got to a
point where you made it far enough to be in consideration.
That is the only logical thing I can think of,
because I don't understand why you haven't shared this information
because it was you're definitely not setting yourself up or
Peter up to succeed. Yeah, set him up to fail. Yeah,
you set the relationship up to fail. Yeah, and you

(14:52):
wait to tell him this information and then you hold
it against him. I am Florida. We don't know if
she leaves, if she's days, but if she leaves, it
is so I'll say it hypocritical, a contradiction to hold
that against him when you withheld this information from him,
knowing what this show is and knowing who Peter is.

(15:12):
Say what you will about luke P last year at
least at least he was who he was from day one. Yeah,
And you know then it was up to Hannah to
decide is he misogynistic? Is he all those things that
you know, people realize later, But hey, he was like
that from day one? Right, he didn't change, right, And
I to I will say this about luke P, and
I said it to him. I don't have a problem
with you. I don't have a problem with your faith

(15:34):
or any you know. I know a lot of people
were jumping on the bandwagon of well he was you know,
Hannah's sex positive and go girl and all this. Well
is it the same? Right? Is Peter going to be
treated the same and as Madison going to be villainized
the same way luke P was? Yeah, it's not it's
not completely dissimilar. No, I I was going to ask

(15:56):
both of you this question. Becca, Yeah, do you think
that albody's starting to see it? If you've reads a
little bit of social media, there is a bit of
a double standard. What do you think about that? Becca? Oh?
Totally And watching this episode go down, that's the first
thought I had when Madison started talking to him, I'm like,
is she going to get an edit like Luke P?
Or are people going to rally behind her? Because that

(16:18):
doesn't make that like basically they're saying the same things.
Maybe Luke P approached it in a different way that
seemed more harsh, but like, in reality, these are very
similar situations. And so if you're gonna rat like villainized
Luke for how he handled it with hand, it's like
Madison's basically doing the same thing. Maybe she's just approaching

(16:39):
it a little bit nice, so tiptoeing her at the fact.
But you know, basically they both said, we don't want
to go into pantasue if you you stuck with other people.
So where is society right now? Right? Will a will
a woman, very sweet, dominutive woman from Alabama get a
much wider birth and a much bigger grace area. And

(17:00):
this guy it is easy to beat on. It's easy
to beat on a guy, especially right now. Will she
get the same treatment? And that's that's gonna be very interesting.
That's why I was going to ask, you know, two
women who have been through this before, how you think
this is going to go down and if actually it
might even be reversed and Peter is going to be
the bad guy. I think that what people have to

(17:20):
do is separated. I think you have to say, you know,
Luke was a villain the whole season. Madison has been
the complete opposite from that. But I think what where
both Madison and Luke pe went wrong? Is there timing
and delivery of this whole situation, And that's what you
have to look at. That's what's the selfish act, that's
what's judgmental, and that's what's not fair. Madison was wrong,

(17:45):
in my opinion, to wait till this point to tell
him something that she's known from day one. When as
soon as you felt those feelings going in week four
or five, yeah, hometown's plenty of time to have those conversations.
The moment he said I'm falling in love with you right,
it's just something you need to know, something you need
to know. And luke P waited until this point to
express his thoughts as well. That is why they're similar.

(18:09):
That's all you know. When people are like, oh, Luke
put piece of villain, how dare you compare? Because people
are already saying how dare you compare Madison to luke P.
I think that's what you have to look at how
they delivered. Take away some of the things that luke
P said and did early on. There were some misogynistic
moves and say like, I think I'm just taking this
one small snapshot towards the end where they both really

(18:29):
were just relying in falling back on their beliefs and
in their faith, and that was the decision. I don't
have a problem with either one, by the way, if
that is your decision. But it's like you said, timing
when and where you had that conversation, you're setting these
people up that you truly care about. You say, you're
setting them up for failure. There's no way Peter could
not fail with that ultimatum. Yeah, as a man, Chris,

(18:53):
as a man, the male opinion, what how do you
take that information? Like you're you put yourself in as
best as you can. In Peter's situation, you do what
he did. You take the moral high road. You can
only fall on yourself getting out of the way of
that situation. You know you he did, right. I respect
your decision, I respect everything you're saying, and then just

(19:15):
be completely honest with her, which he did. I mean,
that's all you can do. I was so proud of him,
because you're just the bad guy. You are the bad guy,
and every guy knows that you are in the wrong.
When you walk into a situation, you are in the wrong. Period.
It don't matter what the situation is, especially, it's just
the way it is, especially in this day and age.
And you know you're under the microscope, and so you're

(19:37):
gonna be man explaining, You're going to be you know,
sexually oppressing her whatever it is. You are the bad guy,
ye know that. Yeah, And not enough guys going to
conversations knowing that you are the a hole. Yeah, but
Peter did. Even if you have the moral high ground,
you're wrong. So Peter realized that and really respected it.
Was like, but he did a good job of explaining, Hey, yeah,

(19:59):
I was intimate and I hate that. Now I'm outing
and by the way, now he has to out. He
didn't get into specifics, but the girls are now being
at it. Now he's doing a disservice to these women. Yeah,
for a very private so there was. It's really one
of the Again, one of the things I love about
this show is the social dynamic and the things that
this brings up. Yeah, the talk and the debates we're

(20:21):
going to be having out of this now, we're fascinating. Now.
It's like more and more it's happening. Each season there's
some type of aspect like this. It's just saying the
social aspect that we're discussing, and it brings on a
bigger conversation. I just I was. I was proud of
Peter and Becky, I want to know your take on
this too. I was so proud of him for being
honest when it was hard for even saying to her,

(20:44):
you know what, I'm glad that's you and I respect
that and I love that you've made that commitment, but
that's not me. Say go ahead, Peter heads up three
weeks ago would have been great, but he didn't even
say that. He just wore it. He owned it. He was,
and he's gutted. Obviously, this is all he really cares about.
She wouldn't have made it this far, and to have
the rug pulled out from under you like that is

(21:05):
it's do you guys know? It's devastating. I have a question,
and this is what I was thinking the entire time. Well,
first let me start out by saying I would hate
to have beend these girls this week, because I have
never seen three of the girls after hometowns befoced to
live with one another again, especially during Fantasy free weeks.
That's that is rough good point in itself. I was

(21:29):
watching this and you know, I'm not the biggest fan
of some of these girls. That's no surprise. But at
some point they also need to be protective. This is
hard enough knowing that the person you are dating and
falling in love with is spending the night with other women,
and to see them come home in the mornings and
to have to talk about it is brutal. And so

(21:51):
I really felt bad for these girls this time. But
I'm watching this week and right away I knew I was, like,
Madison is going to get the last date. There's no
surprise there. They're gonna bring these other girls out with him.
They're going to bring them home, and they're gonna dangle
these girls in their conversations. And what happened in front
of medicine. But I would love to know what would

(22:11):
have happened if it was reversed. What if Madison first
had that one on one night with him. What would
have happened if she would have went in and still said,
you know, I want to send this an interrupted alone
to him with you get to know you. I'm sure
obviously they wouldn't have such together, but she would have
still just spent the time with him. What would have happened?
Then if she went back to the hotel and these
other two girls and had to proceed on their face

(22:33):
with him, how would this have ended? The same? He
would have been the same, would have left well, although
it probably would have happened a week later or even worse. Yeah,
she was. She was spiraling out of control from the beginning.
But Chris, I literally wrote this down in my notes. Chris,
why are they all living together? Well? Good questions. Well,

(22:55):
you two have been through this, so you actually have
the perspective. There are times when no matter how great
you are and you both were great bachelorettes, but you
can't get out of your own way, and that's part
of why you're single. And you know, Peter, for example,
has trouble making decisions. I don't know if you guys
have noticed that UM talked is yeah, the king of

(23:16):
kicking the can down the road. Heaven forbid you make
a decision. But so this you know, there are things
that we do as producers that will force you into
this uncomfortable zone and force you into making a decision.
Sometimes we do it for your behalf, sometimes we do
it for the for the bachelor, the the guys with
the girls. And this situation was pretty extraordinary because Peter

(23:39):
had kicked the can down the road, but this time
also Madison had and so this was to force a
situation that had to happen, and it had to happen
this week because if we get to proposal week, then
this guy is really screwed and there's no chance this works.
We got to figure this out and there's really only
one way to do it. And so yeah, it was
tough love and it was really awkward. And again, as

(24:01):
you know, in the history of the show, I don't
know if we've ever done this, but we decided to
do it this week because these are conversations that needed
to be had and it was because of I think
the double standard and the things that Peter was going
to deal with. We kind of needed the women's perspective
on this. We needed Madison to face Victoria and Hannah
Ann and have them express their emotions on this, because again,

(24:24):
it's just this guy in his perspective and I don't
know if that's the greatest thing right now. And so
I thought it was interesting and look revisionist history. I
don't know if it was right or wrong. That'll be
up to Bachelor Nation and you know, on behalf of
bachel Nation, thank you. Yeah, And so it just forced
a situation that needed to be forced in a conversation
that had to be had. And I found it interesting

(24:45):
to have Victoria and Hannah Anne's perspective and I thought
they were great of Hey, I understand what's going on here,
and this is important and this guy needs to really
suss all of us out before he makes a big decision.
And so I think it was a glaring, you know,
spotlight on what Madison was an understanding about this. I
loved it. I loved it and you and I love

(25:06):
your explanation because I'm like, that is what we needed,
whether you knew you needed it or not, and we
got it. We got it. Mother. It was awkward for them,
hard to watch. It was what was necessary to push
this journey forward. I appreciated it because if we had
done that, if the girls on my season, Beck, I
don't know about you, but if the girls on my
season had done it, Me, Vaness and Raven, it wouldn't
have been awkward. They would have been hysterical. Yeah, because

(25:29):
I remember saying to Raven, we were like, are we
gonna be Eskimo sisters? So we would have been excited
if we could have come back and talk about what
happened in fantasy suits. These girls, that's that's not them.
They don't they don't have that that same bond I
think that I had on my season, Becca, and that
you had on your season. They don't with your Lady,
they don't have that bond. There's there's not I don't
see a lot of bff's coming out of this season.

(25:51):
And maybe that has to do with their age or
their emotional intelligence. I don't know, but there's no I
don't see a lot of that sisterhood that I've seen
in seasons past and before. I do want to move
on because you mentioned Hannah Ann and Victoria, who I
was for the first time this whole season impressed with
this episode. Well, the Victoria, they're SMA, but I was

(26:12):
impressed with the way they handled the entire week in situation.
But you mentioned the sisterhood, and I said all of that,
and now I have forgotten my question. Oh, Becka and
I were talking about how the key to success on
this show isn't just the relationship that you have with
the lead. It's the relationships you make in the house

(26:32):
and with the brotherhood or sisterhood, because that's who you
spend a majority of your time with and you need
that circle of support to get you through it. Is
that kind of how you feel and what was lacking
this season? Yeah, Well, I'm just I was trying to
think if there was a probably been Flannic season. Off
the top of my head, was the last time a

(26:53):
real black sheet someone who went rogue dominated the season
and actually, you know, unquote one or ended up with
the guy. I was trying to think if someone since then,
But I think that's it where the quote unquote villain
dominated and actually got what she wanted. Other than that,
it really is you need that support system and you
need to be propped up and shown in a good light.

(27:14):
And that's usually the case. You know, usually the person
won't be attracted to someone who's not getting that respect
in the house, and usually kind of one begets the other.
But yeah, that's I can only think of one time
in history where that's really happened. Yeah, so people are
mad at us from last week because we only talked
about Victoria Fuller's hometown because would you not. I'm sorry

(27:34):
that was where the juice was because she didn't even
have one. So we'll make sure that where we heard you.
We hear you when you listen when you write us
into us and you dm us, you comment. So we
are going to cover the other Fantasy Suite dates, even
though Madison's is where the juicy part is. So Hannah

(27:54):
Ann gets the first date and you know it's I
don't know Becca or Chris, whoever wants to take this.
I was impressed with Hannah Anne. I know she's kind
of had a bad rap at the beginning, and she's
very confident and I think some people. To some people,
that comes off as smug, but she made it easy
for Peter and he needed that and I loved that

(28:18):
she gave that to him. I think Hannah Anne she
surprised me a little bit this week. I have two
things that I wanted to touch on with her because
number One, as you said, she made it easy, and
that's really what people need this week. That's why I
remember leaving Garrett stay in the few suite, because we
just laughed and coughed and had the best time. And

(28:38):
up until that point, it's so stressful, it's so anxiety
written that to just have somebody who gets it and
they're like, hey, you know, I'm here for you. I
understand that. As tough as it is to see you
go to two other fantasy suits with two other women,
like you need to do what you have to do
to adust all avenues of your huge relationships to make
the best decision for yourself at the end. And I

(28:59):
appreciated her saying that to him, and her saying you know,
at the end of this, like, I'm still here for you.
I understand, And I think that helped him. Now my
thing with Hannah Anne, and maybe I'm just being too
nitpicky here. But she does not have the face or
she doesn't look at Peter me personally, I think there's
like she's in love with him, Like it's not the

(29:20):
face of a girl in love, Hannah, and I is
that just? Yes, I Yannah Anne. I think she wants too,
and I think she likes him and likes the idea
of all this, but I don't really think it's fully
there for her like she's saying it is. And maybe
and maybe I'm just picking it apart, because there's moments

(29:41):
for Peter, like there's a dinner table and she's saying
or she's saying, you know, I love you, or I'm
falling in love with you, and she's just kind of
it's like there's not that giddy excitement. And maybe that
was just me that that's how I feel when I
feel I love but there was just something. I'm like,
I don't know if it's all add enough for me here. Yeah,
I mean I can see how it kind of seems
a little bit of a puppy love relationship. But I

(30:03):
mean one thing, and Becca, you know this, when you
get to this point in the season, you don't want
to have to question anybody's commitment to you, and so
I appreciate that Hannah Anne is allowing him to or
letting him know this is where I stand, this is
how I feel I'm going to be here. I'm confident
in us, and the other two girls that he has

(30:24):
left are not giving him that. So I really think
Hannah Anne stepped up in a way we haven't seen, frankly,
from any of his top rough what's the word the
top runners? I don't know why, thank you? I was
gonna say four runners. I think I think Hannah Anne
became the new Madison. And like you said, one thing
I've noticed in the history of this show is it

(30:46):
is the ones that will make life a little easier
on you. Now we'll get into Peter and Victoria, because
that's a very interesting relationship that I have a lot
of theories on, and he's very different in that way.
But for the most part, when you guys go through this,
the guy's and the girls, it is those that will,
you know, let the air out of the balloon and
they can just relax with you and make it easy.

(31:07):
And Madison has done that for Peter this entire time. Well,
now Hannah Ann is doing that. So I think she
is kind of the new Madison. And that's why I
think she really shine this week. Is it was just easy.
It was so simple, and I thought it was loving.
I thought it was really sweet, and I thought she
expressed herself finally really did a good job of articulating
her feelings in love. And so for the first time

(31:27):
I really believed in her. I did too articulating. Something
else has been missing this sea talking yes word, we
don't use much season Victoria. F let's get into her
because we mentioned her now I have. There are a
lot of things that have bothered me when it comes
to Victoria, but I finally got what it is. She

(31:48):
doesn't look you in the eye when she talks to you,
and I think that is very telling. Even when Peter's talking, right,
she looks down, Yeah, like how does how would that
make you feel? I mean, I like I'm the same way.
I like eye contact as well. Here's the thing with Victoria,
explain we want to I only know this because of

(32:09):
my own missteps in life, in my own relationships. But
I had two conversations with two men in the last
five days who basically defined the same relationship. Peter is
in with Victoria that is, and I guarantee the two
of you have had these as well. You get to
a point I did after my divorce of a crazy

(32:31):
chemistry relationship. It's on fire. I mean, it's you know,
on a level you don't even understand, and it's coming
at you and it's a thousand degrees and you've never
had that kind of passion before. Well, that can't be it,
and it's not sustainable. And the quote of the season
might be when Peter said, and everything in our relationship

(32:52):
is great, yes, but we don't communicate welly. So when
I saw that, I thought, you know what, that just
completely explained everything about this relationship. And I will admit
I've had a relationship like that too post divorce. It
was hot, it was heavy, it was this crazy chemistry

(33:14):
I hadn't had in a long time. And I'm like wow,
and I'm like, this is not working out and it's
so volatile and it's so wrong on so many levels.
And it's the relationship. Your friends are going, what are
you thinking? And you break up and then what do
you do? You get back in? Yeah, and you do
it again, and then your first thought is why the

(33:34):
hell am I back in this relationship. Now I got
to break up again. But I swear to you. In
the last week, I've had two conversations with two other
guys who were in the same situation, and from the outside,
I'm thinking, this is Peter in Victoria. He can't help himself.
She is not only the drug he needs. Yeah, she's
also kryptonite. Yeah, he wants a fantasy sweeter if we

(33:56):
said it last week, but it's not as simple yet
he does. I think it goes beyond that. It's just
it's that relationship you want to fix, you want to save,
because God, it's so good when it's good, but when
it's bad, it's just sewage. See. This is why it's
great to have the mal opinion. You know what I mean. Becca.
We couldn't have said it this way. We couldn't have
and I actually now understand a lot better. I'm not

(34:18):
saying it's okay, but thanks, Chris. But we've all been there.
I've done it. I've been there, done that. I have
the sweatshirt the girl three times. Now I have to
ask you this, Chris, because again, the title of this
episode is am I missing something? The conversation that Victoria
and Peter have that evening. She continues to say I

(34:39):
don't know more times than I could count. I ran
out of fingers. This is when he pressed her and said,
what was it about this last relationship that you didn't
feel good enough? And she all she kept saying was
I don't know. But then towards the end of it,
as they're you know, they're reading the card from you,
they're getting the key, He's like, this is the best
conversation that we've ever had, and I'm going to curse here.

(35:01):
I was like, bitch, where where was this conversation? Did
we miss something? Because because and then the best quote
was we haven't fought yet. That was it. That's why
it was so good. Did they hadn't tried to kill
each other? Well, this is the time to have that
heated passion, so you can take that into the fantasy suite.

(35:21):
But they that was it. They hadn't yelled at each other.
And but you know, again you see the emotion when
she can't what's the word, articulate her feelings when he
says what was it about this last relationship? And then
she go back to sitting on the stoop at the
hometowns when she couldn't complete a sentence there and really
explain what was happening, and she never really said anything.

(35:45):
And then she looks at me and and says, you got it,
you understand, and you just want them to go. No,
what what could I possibly understand? Of course I don't understand.
You're not saying words. He's like, it's getting late. We
need to go ahead and pull this car out, get
this thing moving along. But it is funny. I just
I you know again, I love the show because it
is so relatable to so many relationships we've all been in.

(36:07):
And these these all all these are represented in our lives,
and so we've all been there where, like you said,
we've tried to change the bad boy. We've tried to
fix somebody. I'm a caretaker. I always try to fix people,
and so we've been there. Yeah, and you see this
coming a mile away. But you can't save people from themselves.
And I know this as the host and as the
therapist and as a dad, you can't say people from themselves.

(36:29):
All you can do is give them the best information.
And then he's gonna do what he's gonna do. And
sure he's he's he's really falling for Victoria, this is real.
It wasn't. Hey, I want to, you know, spend the
bottle with this girl in the fantasy suite. It's real. Yeah.
To him, it's real. Yeah. And and nobody knows your
relationship like you do, so we don't. We don't get it.
We can speculate, we give our opinions, but we're not

(36:50):
in this thing with Peter and Victoria. I do have
one more question before we cut to a break. We
talked about Madison a bit. When Madison pulled Peter to
the side in that hangar right after that last row
ceremony that we saw, do you think that she was
expecting Peter because now it's down to three women. We

(37:11):
saw what happened last Bachelor's season when it was down
to three women. Do you think she was thinking, if
I give him this ultimatum, maybe he'll just rev up
the engine. We'll hop in this airplane and piece out
and leave these two girls standing there and that's the
end of the season. He felt maybe there was a
certain sense of arrogance there, Yeah, that like, maybe I
feel like our connection is so strong that I will

(37:32):
just pop this balloon now. And and he said her straight,
which again. I was proud of Peter saying there are
two other women here and I can see a future
with them as well. Yeah, I need time to figure
this out. He did a good job. I will say this.
I will give him credit for the things he's going
to get beat up for, and he does. I was
with Peter last night, actually, we had dinner, and we

(37:53):
were talking about how his skin is though thick because
he's just getting crushed this season. But he's such a
good guy and he has such a great strong belief
in his family and his faith and all that. He
knows where his worth comes from. So while he's getting
crushed by baturnation, he still knows he's doing his best
and he's a good man, and he tries to make
these decisions he just can't um. But yeah, I think

(38:15):
maybe she thought our relationship is so strong as could
be over So I'll ask you this, then I'll leave
you with this, since you did have dinner with Peter. Yes,
and we see on the previews for the next week
that he's questioning the decisions that he made in Fantasy Week.
Does he still have those same regrets? Yes, whoa and
that's and and that's that's We're just gonna put a

(38:36):
pin in it right there. Well, I wasn't expecting that answer. Okay,
we'll be right back with more from Chris Harrison. Don't
go anywhere, Okay, Chris. For maybe the first time, I
know since I've been watching this season, and I'm sure
for other people, we have no idea what's to come.
Even as crazy as Colton season was, this is this
is on another level. So please, I'm begging you from

(38:58):
all of us in bachnation, can you tell us what's
We've got the reunion coming up, We've got the finale
one more week, Club us. Something is the tell all.
We'll bring obviously everybody back and it's gonna that that's
gonna be interesting with this group, um, because it's a
very different dynamic in the house as well as just
a very different season. And then obviously we're off to
well we stay in Australia and that's where the finale

(39:20):
takes place. In that final week, we switched towns, but
we're still there and it's it is unlike any season
we've ever had as far as the finale and how
it ends. And you saw that you see a little
bit in the supertes with the dramatic and him being
upset because he gets some news. That final couple of
days you see his mom. We're finally going to get

(39:41):
the answer of who his mom is talking about. Um,
the Meryl Streep moment of bringing her Meryl Streep wishes
she had those skills. I love Barbe, absolutely love that woman.
But um, you know, there is so much that's left
to unpack and to go through. I feel like the

(40:04):
season's barely started honestly considering what's about to happen in
the final week of the show, which is wild to say. Wait,
so Chris Harrison, are you saying it's not over, like
even after the final are we still going I didn't
say that, but I will say it's never over till
it's over. Oh my gosh. But there's just a lot
more to come before we can get to a conclusion.

(40:25):
And there's a lot more that's about to happen, and
on so many levels, Well, we know you have your
work cut out for you, more than ever at Women
Tell All this year, So we do wish you the best.
And yeah, I mean, how do you you know? How
do you this? This has been frustrating for us to watch.
How do you muster up the I don't know that,
Like I know that you're a host, you're an executive producer,

(40:47):
like approaching each season, and then there's just so much
like we're frustrated watching I'm sure you're frustrated in it,
Like how do you keep going each season? Other than
the money? I'm not gonna lie that that helps. Um,
you know, I'm not on a tour bus in Salt
Lake City, so but you know, I still, first of all,
I love the people I work with, and I mean

(41:10):
the crew too, but but also you guys, you know,
going through what we went through, and going through what
Becca and I went through, and even going through now
this guy Peter and working through it with him, I
get I get excited about it. I find it interesting.
I find it fascinating on so many levels of relationships
and following the show. I'm a fan of the show too,
And so I also want answers. I want to pin

(41:34):
these people down, like I want to know why you
say the word lingerie? Um, and yeah, and Finasco or
feet whatever it was he was trying to say, like
that stuff. Yeah, exactly. So I've always thought when you're
doing an interview, it's like if the person at home
is screaming at their television, I want to ask those

(41:54):
questions and so um. I still enjoy most of it.
There are times when it will dissolve into some barking
and screaming and all that, and I'm like, okay, I
you know, I just want to drop this and walk out.
But for the most part, I find it fascinating. And
what I'm about to go through with Peter over the
next two weeks was fascinating. It took every ounce of
our energy in power to get through this. Yeah, there

(42:17):
were a lot of tears. I mean, there was a
lot of everything, cussing, you name it, you know how
it goes. Yeah, I mean, you know, I'll say this
for Peter as I've said it for the two of you.
This is his life. And say what you will about
him or Madison or Hannah Ann or you know, Victoria.
These are real people and we're we're you know, and

(42:38):
I know you're privy to some of this. When we
get to tell All, we're actually going to deal with
some of this stuff at the tell All. I'm not
sure how yet, but it's gotten to a new level
of people feeling like you're at a sporting event. You've
paid your ticket. Therefore I can yell and scream and
say whatever I want to this human being. That's not
how life is. That's not how it goes. There are

(42:59):
rules to our society that are being broken and lines
that are being crossed, and we're going to deal with that.
And I hate to be cryptic, but we'll deal with
that at the tell all a little bit more. Um,
we've dealt with it in the past where people have
really overstepped their bounds. But you know, I feel a
little protective of all of you, and I feel like
maybe it's time I need to step in a little
bit more and have a talk with the class. Yeah,

(43:21):
maybe maybe take the world to task on a couple
of things. But um, you know, he is a He's
a man who's gone through this journey and if you
love it, hate it, whatever, this is his life. And
there's some crazy steps that are to come before we
get to the end of this. If we do right, well,
we can't wait. We thank you for what you do.
Where's Hannah Your work is never done? Which one Hannah.

(43:43):
There's Hannah, There's the producer, There's Hannah Anne. I mean,
I can't even keep him straight. This guy he's got it.
He's got him lined up like planes at lax. Well,
we thank you for the service that you do for
Bachelor Nation. I mean, like I said, your work has
never done it to see to get harder and harder
every every single year. But before we let you go, yes,

(44:05):
we love to play a game with our guests. Okay,
so of course, in the spirit of Chris Harrison, we
are going to play the most dramatic game ever. So Chris,
this is how this is gonna work. Okay, we know
that's one of your favorite phrases. So today we're gonna
put you in the hot seat and you're gonna pick
which moment was actually the most dramatic. Got it? All right?
So back? Are you ready? Yes, I'm lost that race, Chris,

(44:28):
Are you ready? Bring it? Go? Go ahead, back and
give it to him? All right. I'm going to kick
it off with the first one. So Chris, between these two,
who was the most dramatic Bachelor of all times? We
have Juan Pablo or Brad Womack. Brad Womack Season one
with him when he didn't make a choice was pretty wild,

(44:51):
but overall, Juan Pablo from start to finish was probably
the most dramatic. I know a lot of people feel
like I don't like anyone whatever, I don't dislike him.
I found it fascinating. Again, what makes a guy tick?
What made him do what he did? I thought that
season was from start to finish dramatic, although Brad Womack's

(45:12):
very last moment may have trumped him. Can I just
say that I ran into Wan Pablos. I've never told
anybody this. I ran into want Poblos mom in Miami,
and she pulled me to the side and she wanted
to have a full conversation with me about like how
her son wasn't done right, and she like really wanted
me to tell tell me who he is and the
type of person. And I just said, ma'am, I didn't
even watch this season. I wasn'mportant yet you know, I

(45:34):
felt bad because they were such lovely people, they were
such lovely parents. Yeah, she was great, And I'm like,
how did that again? Big question that see? How did
that come from? That? Passing that movie? Yeah? Exactly, very interesting, okay, Chris.
The most dramatic Limo entrance moment Alexis Waters dressing up
as a shark. Never forget shark dolphin right like or

(45:56):
Jenna on Peter Season bringing a bringing an emotional support
a cow. I mean those weren't dramatic as much as
they were hysterical. Yeah. Um, I mean Alexis goes down
in history not only coming in as a shark thinking
she was a dolphin, but just how that carried over
into paradise and all that. So I'm gonna go Alexis.

(46:18):
And I also love and respect how she wore it. Yeah,
I mean not literally, I mean emotionally. She she really
wore it well and owned the whole thing. Yeah, Rachel,
I have to ask them to your friends. Does she
still have that costume? I wouldn't be surprised. I don't know,
but yeah, I don't know. She's got other costumes though?
Oh who? Not only like like she's just a fun person,

(46:42):
Alexis slide into her DM fellas all right. Next, the
most dramatic lying moment was it when Ali Sanatowski confronted
Justin Riego about having a girlfriend, or when Rapels to
the fronted de Mario about having a dolphriend And well,
with all due respect to Rachel, hers was good because

(47:04):
it also included Kareem Abdul Jabbar, which is when can
you say when can you say that there was Demario
the girlfriend, but I mean Rachel just kicked his ass
and it was such It was such a one sided beating.
But honestly, one of the craziest moments in the history
of the show was Ali and justin because we were

(47:26):
in Turkey and because he was on one leg, he
was in a boot, and we were in such a
conservative country, in a conservative hotel in Turkey, in Istanbul,
and he starts running through that we had promised them
up and down that we would be very cool, very calm.
We're the bachelor. We could never promise such things. He's
running outside, climbing through fountains and there's a restaurant. All

(47:48):
these people are in Istanbul going what is happening? And
this guy was running away from us. And so that
moment and we actually lost him for a little bit
in the stairwell, so that that moment will go down
in history is the most dramatic. But that wins. But
Cream Abdul Jabbar, was that your breakup? That was pretty awesome.
That wins definitely. Rood Tomorrow ruined that moment. For me,
all right. Most dramatic two on one Most dramatic two

(48:11):
on one day Ashley I and Kelsey on Chris soul
season or Chat and Alex Njojos season. I mean Ashley
I takes the cake because also where that was, they
were out in the desert, so it was just like
out in the bad lands, I believe we were, and he,
you know, and he ends up breaking up with both.
Just the tears from Ashley I. You can't top that.

(48:33):
But we've had. I mean, I'll go back to some
good ones, you know, Lieutenant Andy Baldwin who left some
I forget who it was, but he left her on
the deck of an aircraft carrier. That was stunning. And
then going back to Ali leaving a guy on a
glacier pretty good. He's guarding and protecting his glacier, okay, Chris.
Most dramatic reenactment. These are my personal fhaves. When a

(48:57):
crew member jumped off a balcony to avoid being caught
with Michel on Paradise Season one, or when Peter Webber
split open his head on a golf cart. This isn't
even close, Putts, Ryan Puts, that was the name of
the crew member that took the fatal leap off the
second story balcony. The sheer stupidity and craziness and insanity.

(49:23):
I'll never forget when I was pulled into breakfast. I
was woken up and Martin Hilton, who is an executive
producer and president of our company, calls me and says,
you're not going to believe this. Get to breakfast right now.
I'm like okay, and he tells me this story. And
I was looking around as if there were cameras because
I was just someone was jerking around on me. That
couldn't be real because there's so many things that could
have happened before he decided to jump down and break

(49:48):
both of his ankles. So by far, Ryan Putts, I
first of all petitioned for more of these these re enactments.
They're fantastic. Well, and it was mine. I will take
a little credit because my back ground is journalism and
my background as a news guy, and I thought I
wanted to go like seventies eighties reenactment where we got
it dummy and we literally threw it dummy off and

(50:09):
it was like really over the top. Dan Rather is
this is if this was the most important news report.
Anybody was ever giving and we really layed into it
and that's where the whole reenactment thing even started. So
we got to give kudos. He's in the Hall of Fame,
the Potts Hall of Fame. There will never be another.
You can't you can't, you cannot top that, all right,
most dramatic I Love you moment of all time when

(50:29):
Ben says I love you to both Jojo and Lauren,
or when Juan Pablo says I like you to Nikki
Ferrell at the road. No, in all fairness, one Pablo
says I like you a lot. He said a lot,
So that's really close to but Ben saying I love
you sincerely to two women, Um, and now you know

(50:49):
you think those two great women to fall in love with.
But that was it for sure because the one Pablo thing,
I just felt horrible. I felt great for Andy Dorfman
and Claire who escaped in that final three, but I
felt terrible for Nikki, who was like trying to have
her moment and this guy says I like you a
lot and then didn't understand why that wasn't enough. But

(51:12):
so I'm gonna go Ben, just who was you know,
He's not the he's not the only one anymore rights,
but he was the first. It was a big deal,
and you would think people would learn not a great idea. Well, Chris,
I have to ask this one, and I think our
listeners would absolutely love it. But we need to know.

(51:33):
What was your most dramatic memory of being on the
show in eighteen years? The most dramatic moment. Oh my gosh,
to me, the most dramatic moment was? Was it December sixth,
two thousand and three, Trista's wedding. I'll never forget being

(51:54):
at that wedding. We weren't sure what the show was
up till then, and then Trista kind of solidified and
legitimized this franchise, and we decided we were going to
throw a wedding, and a million people, you know, we're
clamoring to get into this wedding. It was crazy, and
we threw this wedding out in Palm Springs. We all
drove out there. Wasn't sure what to expect because we

(52:15):
hadn't thrown a wedding before, and it was just crazy
and I'll never get There was three helicopters hovering about
one hundred feet above this hotel trying to get paparazzi shots.
You couldn't hear anything, and we had snipers out in
the desert trying to keep people from hiking in. It
was wild, and that to me when I thought, on

(52:36):
a lot of levels, my life has changed. This show
is nuts, This show is going to go on forever,
and but it's real. At the end of the day,
there was this beautiful wedding and this young kid, you
may have heard him, Brad Paisley started his career that night. Whoa.
We gave him the gig. We gave him the gig
to sing at the reception, and I'll never forget he

(52:57):
came out, there's a little hat and and he's like, hey,
you know, mister Harrison, we really appreciate you giving me
this big break. And so for so many reasons, that
moment was this kind of just lightning in a bottle
moment that I'll never forget. I had no idea that
any of that ever happened other than the wedding, right,
I had no ideas behind it. I remember said that

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we were in the middle of Meredith's season of The Bachelorette,
and so we were trying to wrap up her season.
We actually took a pause, we did a rose ceremony,
we all got in a limo, drove out to Palm Springs,
shot for two days, went back and did Meredith Finale.
And in the midst of that, personally, my then wife

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was nine point nine months pregnant, we were due and
she was having contractions during Meredith Finale. So I was
about to have my second child, ding, a wedding, and
then Meredith Finale all in one month. So there was
a wild time. That's why they pay you the big bucks.
Didn't then, but they do now. Chris, It's been so

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great to have you on the podcast. Thank you so
much for being here. I just want to say thanks
for finally having me on. Congratulations on the podcast. I
love you both very much. Oh, I really do. I
love well. I mean I text you Rachel all the
time because of your success on ESPN and all the
things you're doing. You are kicking ass in the world,
and I truly love when I get to see you

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guys grow and do such great things. And Becca the same.
I know you and Ben are on the road doing
the Lord's Work and doing the live show, but I
do I love when I see that you know we've
been through this and we have that extraordinary connection. And
then when you guys go off and do great things,
I take a lot of pride, not that I have
anything to do with it, but I take a lot
of pride and know you do. And thank you so
much for saying that, both to Becca and I and

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I will say because a lot of one of the
big questions that we get all the time is how
involved is Chris Harrison with you guys? Do you really
get to see him when you're a contestant, not as much,
but when you are in the lead of the show,
you travel together. We are with you, and there were
times when we had conversations and I know I asked
you about advice post show and you were more than
happy to give it to us and to counsel us

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and just kind of be that voice of reason when
you don't have your family and your friends around, so
you have to give yourself credit. You do more than
I'd like to say to all of you that look,
if we need to have a conversation, like a real conversation,
I got nothing in this. I'm fine either way. I'll
help you. Yeah, like I want what's best for you, guys,
I really do. I want this to work out, and
luckily for the two of you, it has, which is awesome.

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Thank you. All right, Well, letting go, because we could
keep talking to you, Chris, I can keep trying to
All I need is the first baby to be named Christopher.
That's it. I suppose that actually doesn't happen yet. Harrison, Chris, Chris,
I actually love the name Harrison for a boy. Very presidential.
Yeah yeah, very presidential. So who knows Harrison Kufran because

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she's keeping her name? Are you? But I love you
both very much. Congrats on the podcast and continue success.
Thank you. We love you too. Thanks Chris, we love
you all right. Well, apparently you forgot to do Cats
and Rats of the Week last week and people were upset.
I didn't realize how people are looking forward to this,
so Becca, we got to make sure that we get

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it done. It is time for our Cats and Rats
of the Week. There are some cats and some rats,
beccare we're Detta slim pickens at this point, So who's
your cat? Who's your rat? You know? On very slim pickens. Um.
As much as I did like Madison until this point
she do kind of take a turn, So she's going

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to be the rat of the week. Just confronting Peter
with everything in this moment. I think it made it
very tough for him. Obviously, we'll have to see how
that plays out. And then my cats, I'm going to
give it to Hannah Anne. I mean, I have my thoughts,
but I think she did still step it up this
week and was able to assculate a little bit more
with feelings. So it's going to Hannah, and Okay, I

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agree with you completely. My rat as well, goes to Madison,
just for the timing and delivery of this information she's
been holding on too for nine weeks. And I'm like
my cat to Peter. Yep, I'm making Peter a cat
this week just because I like it. I really appreciated
his honesty, his understanding of Madison's beliefs and standards and

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acknowledging that, but then also being she was being true
to who she was and he was being true to
who he is. He said, I prospect that, but that's
not me. And I appreciated even though he slightly outed
the women that he said, I have been intimate, and
he was honest and Honesty is something that not everybody
is strong enough to do, so I appreciate that from
Peter