Episode 238

In February of 2020, Orange County deputies reported to an address in Winter Park, Florida, and discovered the body of an adult male in a suitcase. This incident appeared to be a tragic accident triggered by alcohol, but upon further investigation, a deeper evil was finally unmasked.

Episode Transcript

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Sword and Scale contains adult themes andviolence, and is not intended for all
audiences. Listener discretion is advised.The problem is I fell asleep. I
fell asleep. When did you doCPR this morning? When I found it

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for you? Paul? Yes,all right, guys. Here it is
season ten, episode two hundred andthirty eight of Sword and Scale, a
show that reveals that the worst monstersare real. Listen, guys. I

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know it's weird for you. Iknow the electronic music. I know it's
not the spooky Halloween tunes you're usedto. I know you clicked on the
face of a creepy doll and expecteddeath metal to start blasting out of your
iPod nano. But that's just thebasic bitch in you talking. Simmer it

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down, Simmer it down. It'sgoing to be okay. If something mindlessly
clichede doesn't appear in front of youevery three seconds, you will survive.
Well, you may, who knowshow fragile you are. Regardless, I'm
still here doing the same thing afterten years. But hey, maybe,

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just maybe your naggy little DM willfinally get me to see the error of
my ways and start opening up theshow. With a little Lizzie Got a
makeup tutorial. Have you ever hadan interaction with someone that just left you

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absolutely dumbfounded? I know I have. Maybe they have you questioning reality itself
or even your own memory. Somepeople have this keen ability to manipulate,
and they make you feel like you'rejust going crazy, not even understanding what's

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real anymore. Nothing makes sense.It's quite a feat, really, to
attempt to make a sound minded adultbelieve that the sky is green, even
when they're looking right up at itand see that it's blue. It takes
a particular set of skills to beable to pull that off. Yet it

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seems like we keep seeing examples ofthat in pop culture and Twitter specifically.
I hate to bring up the AmberHeard case yet again, but watching her
testimony may have evoked some of thesame feelings you've had with people like this
in your life. The gas lighting, the incessant gas lighting. So much

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of our interrogation audio features perpetrators who'vebeen caught red handed, yet still somehow
try to explain away all of theirrefutable evidence against them, to the point
where you just start going, areyou crazy? Or am I? Many

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of these suspects go to laughably ridiculouslengths to try to prove their innocence.
And again, these manipulation tactics sitin the tool belts more than just the
murderers on this show. You mighthave had an X or two that fits
the bill. Sure, the abilityto twist and manipulate emerges at its full

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force when someone is faced with thepossibility of life in prison or even the
death penalty. But for most ofthe people in this scenario, the interrogation
room wasn't the first time they've hadto employ these tactics. It becomes even
more of a habit. It's theirway of life. It's a treasured part

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of their personality that they arrogantly thinkwill help them get out of just about
any situation in life. But wentup against the clear eyes and sober mind
of the justice system. However,these petty, amateur techniques tend to make

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suspects not look innocent but dumb.What is the location of your emergency for

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seven four eight France Courts Apartment threefour seven four eight, What's a streight
name France f r A NTV andthe apartment number three As just a putty
sum medico my boyfriend is dead.You can send the line for the fun

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apartment. Do not hang up.Well, that's abrupt. This call came
into the Orange County Sheriff's Department aroundlunch time on February twenty fourth, twenty
twenty. The caller lived in anapartment complex in Winter Park, Florida,
and as you just heard, shewas calling because her boyfriend was apparently dead.

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All right, risk Murphy's not reallyhelp me? Or seven for eight
France Lane, Apartment three France Court, France Court. Yes, okay,
just near McKenzie Drive. I don'tknow where that is. It kills her

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departments, okay, four seven foureight friends correct? Correct, correct,
correct. I'm not kidding exactly whathappened there. My birthfriend Harny, were
playing last night and I put himin a case when we were playing and
like kind of high to seek kindof thing. So I fell asleep and

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I woke up and he was deadin the suit case. So I don't
know what happened. In case youdidn't catch it, she said, I
woke up and he was dead inthe suitcase, So I don't know what
happened. I don't know what happened. Okay, what's your partment number three?
M three? Yes, like hehas like blood coming out of his

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mouth, and I don't know iflike he had a right okay, all
right, okay, listen, we'regetting have a pot to you all right,
okay, okay, guys now,okay fo yeah, man, it's
we're on our way out there.Year yet fold seven seven one six eight
four. Okay, he hanging fromsomewhere? What man? No, I
put him out of the suitcase.I giving him CPR. Okay, so

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he was in a suitcase. Yes, then I fell asleep. Okay.
How old is how old is workingman? Forty two year old man?
All right? Okay, we're workinghere. We're standing to het u out
of your shares. I've set awayout there, yes I are yeah,
okay, all right, listen tome. Okay that you see that you

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need to confirm this one right andI understand you seed to confirm this easy
an easier away? Could allay?Conscious? Goll no purple? Do you
he breathing? No? All right? I need you to get a need
to get him on the floor flandersback for you. Okay, I did,
I did. I tried giving himCPR. All right, I tried
giving him. Yeah, okay,we happen. Okay, listen to me.

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You did a different litive. Ineed you to get it for me.
Okay, what do you have aneaty available? No? All right?
Do you write by him now?I'm sorry you? Are you right
by him now? Yes? Okay? Okay, Lamela, okay, ma'am
listen, so listen. Eady coldand stiff, yes, okay, not

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necessarily cold, but he's stiff.Okay, right, all right, look
to me, I listen. Listento me. I want you to live.
Him flatters back from me on thefloor. Okay, we're moving the
pillows. Okay, yes, Idid, all right, okay and purple
all right, okay listen. Okay, man, that's fine. We're still
going to be too compressions of them. Okay, all right. You see
el of your hand on his breastboneright, a cent of the chest,

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rabbige in the nipples? Yes?Would you have a at a top of
that hand, teddy, I'm tellingyou just look at any to tell okay,
great, Okay, your girdles okay, okay, let listen to me.
All right. I want to play. I want you to place the
heel of your hand Okay, rebbeteenthe rabbeteen his chest or rebuteen his breast
bones. Put you at the topof that hand. We want we want

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to pump his chest on me hardat fast go it is twice per second.
I'm doing it again. Okay,no, no, just keep on
pumping. That's all you need todo for me. Keep on pumping his
chest for minutes that. I don'tneed you to stop and talk on anything.
I just want you to conno andload for me. Okay. One
two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine,

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ten eleven, Well thirty fourteen fifteen. Notice how the dispatch operator had
to basically four this caller to performCPR while on the phone so you could
hear it happening. This is thisis n Okay, man, just keep
on pumping his ships. That's allyou need to do for me. Okay,

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yes, please hurry up. Okayman, man, they're driving as
tacks as they can. Okay,don't stop the saying hurry up. Just
keep on pumping and counting. Okay, I'm still doing you sorry, just
keep you continue pump is connor.I they can come with you. One
two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight nine eleven.

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Well, thirteen, fourteen, fifteen, sixteen, seventeen, eighteen,
nineteen twenty ring one, thank you, twenty very, twenty four, twye
five thy fix thwenty seven, thwaytwenty nine thirty are you one? Threk
you two? Please hurry. Okay, man, there's getting her fast as

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they can. Okay, he staresas her phone. Okay, keep pumping
for me, ma'am. I'm stilldoing it. Okay, I'm still doing
it all right. Okay, that'sfine to be even a good job.
Just keep on doing it for me, all right. They're getting her fast.
They can long with the sheriff's off. It's also okay. If you

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were on the other end of thiscall, you'd probably be thinking this is
going to go one of two ways. Either this woman is really distraught and
has a lack of patience because ofwhat she's just been through, or she's
a real piece of work and deputiesare about to have an interesting day.

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Keep on pumping, man, threefour one two three four one two three
four. Keep on pumping for me. Man, I'm doing okay, we're
bringing all right, I understand,all right. Just keep on company for

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me, okay, okay, hurriedright, Okay, horrible. Is this
mor happened? What happened? Ayou? What happened? Okay? Man,
just keep on pumping his chest formy Opay, they're they're in they're

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they're in the parking lot. Theyshould be called they're shortly Okay, I'm
still doing it. Okay, allright, okay? Good? Are you
following him in a suit case?He said, yes, we're playing you
see last night? I thought,A sweet I think that's right. Just

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keep on pupping the chests until theypop over. I am okay, Hi
am okay, I am okay,hip let them think of one for you.

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Okay. At this point, paramedicsand Orange County Deputies were arriving on
scene. Police were greeted by afrantic forty two year old Sarah Boone.
She was a small mouseie woman witha short bob and bad posture. She
had her hands clasped together, pullingon her zip up hoodie like a child

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as she waited for the officers toapproach. Hello, then we lived here,
Yes, okay, How hope youguys get the property manager? I
tell him really quick or want that? Oh, don't worry about that.
We'll take there. That for you, okay, so right off the bat,

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Sarah was concerned with making the propertymanager aware of the situation. Also,
she didn't seem to be even alittle bit sad about the death of
her boyfriend. It seemed like herprimary emotion was confusion. How could this
have happened? We were just playinghide and seek? I really need something

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to drink. Okay, Well Igot my doctor park roma counter. Okay,
okay, kay? What what whois he to you? Boyfriend?
This? Because like three and ahalf years what happened? And we ranked
us putting a puzzle together? Andwe can do some art right there there,
and well, you are putting apuzzle together. Yes, we have
a puzzle that we started in there. Okay. We've been doing our time
taking stuff off the wall to makenew art put up there, like having

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a good time with one another.But we're thinking. We had a bottle
of wine last night. So thenit's like we set to play, right
okay, Okay, how he lookingwith you? But no, I called
him over here, okay, Okay. I didn't know what to do.
Okay, I didn't know what todo. Okay. So there was a

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lot of information in those short interactions. First, she seemed to be concerned
with getting something to drink. Thatcotton mouth is really annoying. Sarah will
mention this several more times to theofficers while they're on the scene. Then
she explained to one of the deputiesthat she and her fiance had been drinking

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a bottle of wine the night before. Sarah also told the deputy that she
and her boyfriend, George Torres,had been doing a puzzle and some arts
and crafts out in the main areaof the apartment when they decided to play
hide and seek, you know,like adults do. I guess everyone has

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their weird what would you call it? Quirks? I mean, let's also
keep in mind that these are twopeople in their early forties playing hide and
seek. Anyway, Sarah went onto tell the deputy that George decided to
get into a suitcase, as youwould. They thought it would be funny.

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It does sound like we're talking abouta couple of ten year olds left
on their own, but I digress. At the end here, Sarah shared
with the deputy that the man approachingthem was her ex husband. Sarah called
him first because she didn't know whatto do. How bizarre is this whole

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situation right now, by the way. Yeah, let's talk all you guys.
The problem is I fell asleep.I fell asleep. When did you
do CPR this morning? When Ifound it for you called yes one o'clock
right now. I tried. Iwas awake, but I actually got out

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of the bed of like twelve thirtywhatever. So I came downstairs and I
was like, oh, he's inthe sky still when I found him and
I took him out and then Icalled him and then I called you guys.
He get hit before the fire offiem. I got here. Who
your husbands at something? Okay?What hear? It? All right down
the street? Okay? So youwere playing and he didn't come up there?

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I did, But did I fella sweet Okay? Okay, I
don't I want to here. I'mjust trying to figure out what happened so
sweep, So I don't know ifthese keys I had an inn reason,
our heart attack or what medical condition. And then then I know him.
No. No, all we hadwas a bottle of wine, literally,

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just a bottle of wine, okay, doing puzzle artwork. Then we decided
to wait. Hadn't see just abottle of wine doing puzzles artwork. Then
we decided to play hide and seek. Not even chet GPT could make this
stuff up. Guys, that's allthat happened. Okay, So I don't
know. I don't want it there. So what happened? So? How

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long were you doing CPR on himprior to you falling that one? One?
You try that all more? Yes? Okay, but I called him
while I wasn't start probably fall aparthere. Let me feel this defintian Okay,
please man, my doctor Pepper,I am also caught. Now,
just give us anything. I don'tlet you passing up. This is probably

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a lot for you to do,right, water, water, I can
get you some water, okay,Just I want you that on your seat.
I don't want passing out on yourI need okay, I'll get some
show. Yeah, just so youcan visualize this properly. Sarah's facial expressions
throughout these interactions are very startling.She's wide eyed, a little bit scary

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looking, kind of in your face, with a leaning forward posture that kind
of makes you want to slowly backaway, especially given that its point of
view bodycam footage. If you gowatch it, it looks like she's coming
for you go check it out linksin the show notes. Anyway, it

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was apparent to everyone on the crimescene that something was not quite right up
in Sarah's head. She eventually gottired of waiting for a drink from someone,
so Sarah went over to the outdoorfaucet meant for hoses, turned it
on, and crouched down to drinkfrom it. Meanwhile, the same officer

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that had been interviewing Sarah had movedover to interview Brian Boone, Sarah's ex
husband. He seemed to be muchmore clear headed. So kind of tell
me how you came here to day? Well, I've been um calling your
life, yes, yes, abouta year and a half, eleven thirties

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when I started calling it out.It is supposed to be her day,
okay, don't really have very goodabout always doing it. Okay, So
Sarah is someone who tends to drinkand forgets to pick up her own child
for visitation. But Brian Boone hada lot more to share. I started

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calling like eleven thirty, hold everyhalf hour hour or so, and then
finally got a hold of her twelveforty nine, told me what was going
on in my come over here?And why came over got over here cold
her. You can call nine oneone, get some the over here and

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then basically she said she needed togo outside of a drinking a cigarette.
Okay, so that's pretty much theway you have. We're gonna make a
few funk hawk and then we'll gofrom there. You know he has a
medical issues or okay, but you'vemet him before, I've met him before.
Year They've got a whole fun history. So these two had a long,

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exciting history. The Sheriff's office wasalready very familiar with this couple,
but Georgia's suitcase demise wasn't a cutand dry death, not by any means.
Despite Sarah's odd mannerisms and statements,investigators never could have imagined the strange

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path this case would take them down. On February twenty fourth, twenty Orange

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County deputies arrived at an apartment complexin Winter Park, Florida, and discovered
a dead body in a suitcase.That body belonged to forty two year old
George Torres Junior. Apparently, whilehe and his fiance were playing hide and
seek the night before, George decidedto get into the suit case and allowed

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his girlfriend, Sarah Boone to ziphim up. If you're a guy listening
to this, never do that.There, I just saved the life.
Sarah frantically claimed that she fell asleepand forgot about George in the suit case.
When she woke up the next afternoon, She told police she went downstairs

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and realized he was still zipped upinside. When she opened the suit case,
it was clear to her that Georgewas dead. Sarah's ex husband,
Brian Boone, called her during thisdebacle earlier in the day, and he
was actually the one who convinced herto call nine one one. Once Orange

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County deputies completed quick outside interviews withboth Sarah and Brian, they packed up
Sarah in the police cruiser and gotan other statement and the front seat is
can you see an email? Sarah, ben I am going to read you
your rights, but it's just becausethat's how we do things. Okay,

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So last night you said that youand your boyfriend George were here at your
residence, and UM, tell mewhat what you guys were doing next?
Like, what what was happening?We had a bottle of wine, we
painted, we drew, we didpuzzles. Do you remember what wine.

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You guys are drinking, um,what is what good? Chardonnay? Okay,
the bottles are in the trash Okay. Notice how she was adamant about
the fact that she had a bottleof wine, but then went on to
tell this investigator that the bottles pluralcould be found in the trash can.

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It's also a bit odd that Sarahseemed to continually try to inject the puzzles,
arts and crafts into the story,as if those details held any importance
whatsoever. And you guys were doingpuzzles and art okay, listening to music,
enjoying each other's company, and alldownstairs upstairs where did you stare?

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Stone stairs? Okay? We usuallysit on the back porch because we smoked,
you know, a lot of smokeinside, so okay. And who
was here last night? Was itjust the two of you? Yep?
Okay. No one ever came overat any point, no, no,
okay, we called us daughters onFaceTime. Okay. We're just literally just
enjoying one other's company. Okay.And you guys share the phone that you

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have, correct, so telling youwhat happens next? You're painting. Your
guys are doing this puzzle together.You obviously finished the bottle of bottle of
wine. Yes, did you haveone or two bottles of wine? Well,
we had one previously that was maybenot even half full, okay,
but then so you finished that one, and then you had the full one.

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Yes, And from there just waiting, we were puzzled out, we
were painted out. So being silly, let's play hide and seek, which
we have played before, Like Idon't know if you've opened the door on
the top of the stairwell like heand I have hidden in there before,

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like just having fun and enjoying eachother's company. Okay, So I mean
that's literally all it was. Andthen the suitcase is downstairs because I was
telling you we were getting ready todonations, and because it's not a very
good suitcase. The what was thequestion, I'm sorry, you were just

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explaining to me the night. Oh, he decided to hide in there,
so being silly, he and Iwere sitting there laughing at it, like
with him in there. And thenso I didn't zip it up all the
way, but I mean enough towhere his little fingers were out there and
whatever, but still having a goodtime and whatever. Then I guess I

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decided to go upstairs, and Idon't know, I fell asleep. So
I woke up this morning and againthought he was downstairs on the laptop looking
for a job, as he usuallyis, and then thought where is he?

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Is he on the back porch tosee in the bathroom, like where
is he? And then I cameto about the suitcase, so I opened
suitcase. I took him out,stretched him out for reference, Sarah is
about five three, one hundred thirtypounds, while George was five to four

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and one hundred and forty pounds.I mean, the guy fit into a
piece of luggage. These height andweight details come from police records and prior
domestic violence incidents. But in eachof George's mug shots over the years,
he starts to look more gaunt.He was a skinny guy to begin with,

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and in his final mug shot helooks sickly. Started to do CPR
where air was coming out and thenlike whatever, gurgle? I mean,
so I'm trying to do CPR onhim. I'm shaking him, trying to
get him to come too. ButI could tell if by looking at him

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something was wrong. He's been losinghis teeth lately and has been complaining about
his chest hurts, which is whyI keep trying to get him to go
to the doctor. But because henor I have a job or insurance,
has been putting it off so again, so I didn't know what to do,

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so I called Brian, my exhusband. I called him. He
came over, just walked in andthen walked out. I grabbed my phone
and I called you guys. Afterhearing Brian Boone's account of the situation and
the nine one one call, I'msure you're realizing the discrepancies in Sarah's recollection
of events. That's not quite howit all went down, not to mention

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the lack of logic and so manyof the decisions Sarah made. Why on
earth would she leave him zipped upin a suitcase before going to bed?
How could she have forgotten? Whydid she wake up so late almost twelve
hours later and still not remember Georgeuntil she saw the suitcase downstairs? But

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also love to know what she trumpedabout the first time you woke up this
morning, did you look at yourphone just see what time it was?
No? Most of the time,like I'll wake up, but because he
or I have a job. I'llusually just lay in the bed for a
little bit longer because the house isclean. There's nothing else that we can
do. Me thinking he's on thelaptop looking for jobs. I can't use

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the laptop, so most of thetime I'll just stay in the bed and
collect my thoughts and get ready forthe day. So do you have any
idea what time you woke up thatfirst time? What time it may have
been. I don't know if youguys haven't when I say eleven something,
eleven something? Okay? Maybe isthat when you finally got up or is

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it the first time you woke up? No, that's the time that I
decided to get because I figured hewas downstairs on the laptop. So and
look for jobs on the laptop,and then it usually all clean. He'll
look for jo or vice versa,where I'll look for jobs and he'll clean.
So you think you got out aboutafter eleven at some point, yes,

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okay, but we can't recall whichtime. Do you think you were
up for, like hours before thator not acting? Your thoughts ran because
I was supposed to have my sontoday. When I'm up from school,
Brian usually calls to make sure,Hey, Are you sure you're getting Lucas
today? Because I've had job interviews? Are you going to pick up Lucas?

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So after he called like maybe three, four times, maybe five,
I finally answered, and that's like, do you think you were sleeping and
missed those calls? No? Iignored them. You ignored them because he's
notorious for blowing out my phone.But I understand why, because he's making
sure that Lucas gets home. Right. Yeah, this woman has a history

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of drinking and forgetting to pick upher son from school, yet she chose
to ignore or her ex husband's remindercalls that morning. There was nothing on
Sarah's mind, laying there, unemployedin bed at eleven am. Nothing was
important to her that morning, leastof all her boyfriend downstairs suffocating in a

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suitcase. This is also something Sarahseems confused about. She doesn't understand what
happened to George, like a toddlerwho squeezed a hamster too tight and doesn't
understand why it's no longer moving.At some point, someone would have to
explain to this lady that she killedGeorge Torres. No matter how you slice

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it, like I couldn't, Istill to the I don't I don't know
what happened, like I don't knowwhat happened, but the whole teeth losing
thing, and I don't know whathappened, like, I don't know what
happened, I don't know what.He and I were having an amazing time

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yesterday like we normally do, noarguments, no nothing. And the thing
with him though, is, whichis why we've been doing puzzles and artwork
lately, is that he's been stressingabout a job, of course, which
we've talked about. So what Idid was start having him do puzzles and
artwork to keep his mind off ofit. His ex wife is all over

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him about sending money, which hecan't do because he doesn't have a job,
so he was stressing about that.He's been stressing about the job.
But that's why I started to buypuzzles and paint to get his mind off
of them, which is what weI don't know if you noticed on the
wall in there, it's all ofour artwork and stuff, so I don't

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know. I mean music, artand playing with the dogs, dancing around
the room with the dogs, andthen decided to play hide and seek because
we're always trying to outdo each otheron where we could find we can hide
the best. Even though these soundlike made up excuses, something tells me

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these people might actually have been thetype to play hide and seek. How
often you guys play hide and seek? Gosh, that was maybe what the
third time? Maybe? Okay,is it a more recent game you've gotten
into or three times in total inyour relationship you're talking about lately? Lately?

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Because again, like we were puzzledout, we're paying it already,
so why not. All Sarah rememberedis that she and George called and talked
about his two daughters, then calledSarah's son Lucas, before playing hide and
seek. By this time, itwas dark outside. Okay, so you

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know it's dark out, but you'renot really sure what time it is you
play hide and seek? How whenyou guys playing, I didn't seek before
he decides to get into the suitcase. Wasn't approximant, It wasn't really I
hit upstairs in the shower and thencame downstairs because I was tired of hanging

(35:15):
out in the shower. Okay,so that's when he was playing around in
the suitcase. So because we boththought it was funny that, Oh yeah,
well I'm gonna zip you up.Uh huh, you didn't come look
for me. So again, it'sa broken suitcase. But what do you

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mean more broken? It's only gotone of these. But because I didn't
zip it up all the way,he was doing the You mean it doesn't
have like the poll part correct?Okay, but no, it's gotta I
think it's gotta what do you callit? A piper clip? Okay,
so the sipper to it is missing, like the actual zipper that attaches to

(36:04):
it to help you open and closeis missing. But you think a paper
clip was on it instead, thereis a paper I believe there's a paper
clip on it because I know thatthe last time you used to like help
us assume well, or you canjust stick your fingers in there and right,
yeah, yeah, you zile yourself, which is why I did not
zip it up all the way.So how much did you zip it up?

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I mean I don't really know.He said his finger, he was
his fingers were able to stick out, Yeah, two fingers, okay,
Yeah, so I'm figuring he he'llgo get it, he'll get it.
But then I wanted to go upstairsand waited for him, and eventually I
guess I fell asleep. I hadthe dogs in the bed with me,

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was warm, and then fell asleep. Doesn't she know that during hide and
Seek, you can't all be hidingas someone playing the rules of this game.
To this woman, someone has tobe actually seeking. That's the point.
That's why it's in the name ofthe thing. I can't get over
how strange this explanation is. Toget a better understanding of Sarah and George's

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dynamic, police spoke with the propertymanager of the apartment complex. Sarah and
George had lived in their unit fora couple of years by this point,
and the property manager had quite abit to say Sarah when shortly after she
moved in um with George, shecame into the office to talk to me.

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We noticed bruises and stuff are andshe asked me if she could talk
to me priorly and asked how Icould how she would be able to get
George of the lease. Is thereanywhere you need a where? She prompted
deeper conversation. She was as letme know, and was showing me a
lot of buses. A marse Princestrates at one point had to go to

(38:01):
the hospital or multiple conversations that wehad had it sadly progressed. You know,
she had a very large gash atone point in her shin. She
had to go to the hospital andget that taken care of. But you
know, she came to me atone point asking, you know, what
do I do by health? AndI didn't get rid of him. You

(38:22):
know, I don't dealt with thistype of situation. Um. I just
canceled her as she continued to cometo me and explained her that you know,
she had to make a decision ifshe was going to stay with him
or not be with him, becauseshe was going to try to work things
out out. There be something.Um. It wasn't too long after that

(38:44):
last conversation that I found out thepolice again and Georgie was arrested. Less
than a year prior to the suitcaseincident, George was arrested for battery or
dating violence. As Florida calls it, here's Sarah's ex husband again. They've
got a whole fun history. Reallyreally okay, I'm not there, I

(39:15):
haven't been here personally. He's currentbecause of it with her. Yes,
Okay, he got him were trialssomething or other. He had to go
to a arm semestic violence class.I don't know he was doing it a
role officer, stuff like that,but I mean, like today she was

(39:39):
trying to get about. Sarah toldpolice that George had hit her, that
she had been beaten in the face, head, legs, and arms.
She told them she begged George tostop, and that Georgia allegedly replied,
you are going to die. Sarahsaid, He then punched her in the

(40:00):
head and threw her off the bed. This incident was apparently triggered by Sarah
talking to another guy. The officerwho responded to this call noted that Sarah
did have injuries to her face andhairline and scratches on her neck. He
also noted that George had scratches onhis neck as well, though he couldn't

(40:23):
remember how they happened, we knowthey drank from Would you heard combining a
lot? Would you hear? Sarah'sodd behavior makes a lot more sense when
you factor severe alcoholism into the equation. She wasn't just a wine mom.

(40:45):
She was that crazy, falling downdrunk neighbor person. The complaints throughout their
whole term, roughly about twenty tothirty moys complaints, fighting, arguing,
banging on doors, about music isjust always something pertaining to their lifestyle.
I do know that I have seenboth of them intoxicated as early as nine

(41:06):
o'clock in the morning, and Imean staggering, falling down intoxicated, both
of them. And there was alwayssome point that I had received about some
fighting. One day that was goingon, and Sarah was actually wandering around
the property very girl, barefoot.I'm not properly dressed. I'll say it

(41:27):
like that, sitting on the sideof her building. A lether retention far
Sarah and George's next door neighbor alsohad a few odd interactions with the couple,
like what do you mean interactions?I remember one night she slept on
the back porch of my apartment forsome reason. I don't remember much,

(41:51):
but I just remember like looking atthose shave see like laid down. Did
you wake her? No? I? Okay? And by sleeping, um,
you guys all have like a cementarea, right, like a back
patio, but it's not enclosed.Um, just what she had a chair

(42:13):
on the ground or ground on theground, Okay, Any other run ins
with her. She witnessed with her, I was coming home from class one
night. I would not be ableto give you a time period, sure
when it is. And I waswaiting on my roommate to get home because
I had left my keys in theapartment. And I remember I she came

(42:37):
over and was talking to me fora minute, and it was very visible
that like she was talking to mebecause she didn't want to be to her
apartment. I don't know why,but I didn't ask, but okay,
it's just very evident that she didn'twant to be there. Would you already
speak with George by herself? Likedidn't you ever find any about their relationship?

(43:00):
The one time where like I wasjust saying that when I talked to
her, she wanted me. Sheasked me to go talk to him,
but she's like, please, butwith the fear of guy and the fear
guy, I'm a very extern propertymanager. You know, I don't tell
her him alone, right, Andshe knew that, and um, she

(43:20):
seemed scary him at the time.So I said, sure, I'd probably
just stay here, I would talkto him. I when I sat down
and talked to George, her I'llturn her about thirty minutes altogether. And
you know, George had explained tome that she was actually the arrestive one,
and the reason she ended up withmarks is in my I'll say,

(43:43):
my perception of what he was tryingto explain is that she's wearying hands on
in the face, you know,dramatized and talking to him explaining or fustle
letter they might even do him.And I believe that because Jean, my
assistant, doesn't want to deal withher or or like the play, because
she was always here already, shecarried hands on. There was one day

(44:05):
my precord was that same day thatI talked to George by himself, she
kept grabbing me by the arms,to the point that I told her,
I said, you know, I'meither going to contact the police or whatever
we need to do, but shecan't keep grabbing. I had asked for
several times to care touch him.Maybe the property manager was onto something.

(44:27):
Turns out some of what she hadto say was backed up by police records.
A year before George was arrested onbattery charges, both Sarah and George
were arrested for battery against each other. The first case in twenty eighteen,
was sparked by Sarah asking another manfor a cigarette at a bar. This

(44:49):
version is all according to Sarah.By the way, apparently George was angry
about her talking to another man,and the two went back home and continued
arguing. Sarah claimed the conversation becamephysical when George dragged her upstairs, and
in the process, she told officersGeorge kicked her in the eye with his

(45:09):
heel. She refused medical treatment.George's sequence of events was a bit different,
though. He told police that theywere both home that night, drinking
and arguing as they do. Georgesaid that he tried to go upstairs to
avoid Sarah, but on his wayup the stairs, she grabbed his throat

(45:31):
with both hands and began choking him. Both Sarah and George are relatively small,
skinny people, and George said hecouldn't breathe. George told them that
at this point he kind of collapsedand was sitting on the steps kicking at
Sarah trying to get her off ofhim. He said he really felt like

(45:53):
he was going to suffocate if hedidn't stop her, and in the process
of frantically kicking, he admitted thathe may have kicked her in the face.
The kicker here is that the injuriesmore closely matched George's version of events
See what I did there. Officerstook photos of the strangulation, marks and

(46:17):
abrasions on his neck and of Sarah'sbruised eye. Both of them were arrested.
The second incident in twenty nineteen ignitedwhen George allegedly stormed into Sarah's bedroom
while she slept and began screaming,punching her, and pulling her hair.

(46:38):
During the deputies encounter with Sarah,he noted that she was angry, obviously
very upset, and continued to apologizeand state that she was fed up with
being hit. The officer saw thatthere were marks on the left side of
her neck, under her jaw,and an old bruise on her eye that

(47:00):
he stated was from an incident afew days prior. In this case,
when cops were questioning Sarah, Georgewasn't around to tell his side of things.
When they did finally track him down, he acted very surprised to see
them. An officer noted that Georgehad some injury near his eye, but

(47:20):
refused medical treatment. The report mentionsseveral times how surprised George was, especially
when they asked George what happened toSarah. He told them point blank that
he didn't know. When they askedhim how she got the marks on her
neck, George alluded to the factthat he himself gets hit all the time.

(47:44):
He asked the officer, what amI supposed to do? They told
George, okay, well, whydon't you call the police on her when
this happens. George said he wouldn'tdo that, So they said, did
you give her those marks in selfdefense? He said no. Then they
asked did you hit her because shehits you? And George refused to answer.

(48:08):
For the rest of the interview,he was arrested for battery. So
now fast forward almost a year andwe're back to February of twenty twenty.
On the twenty third, the daybefore George's death, he had a short
phone conversation with his brother. Hisbrother's recollection of that call gave detectives a

(48:31):
good idea of how the relationship hadbeen going lately, despite Sarah's report that
they had been getting along swimmingly.We were talking, I was playing dominoes
with my kids and my wife,and at first I wasn't going to pick
it up. Then I picked upbecause they were always fighting and stuff with

(48:55):
Oh God. So he started talking. He was calm, so I was
like, okay, so I'll putit on speaker, so my kids are
there, like they're joking around onit. He was joking around with them
and we're talking, and then he'stalking to me about when we as kids,
and then like a couple of minutesafter that, she that's when I

(49:20):
hear in the back start arguing withhim, No, I have to call
my brother. I have to talkto him. And he's like, no,
I'm talking to my brother. Itwas her phone, so and then
she starts arguing and telling them thatno, I'll tell them what you've been
doing to me. You choke me, this and that. But he was
calm, and he was like,okay, I gotta let you go on.

(49:45):
And then he said I love you, and I told him my love
basically with it. So she yellsin the background, tell telling what you've
been doing to me, You've beenchoking me. Yeah. Did you ask
him anything about that? No?Because the thing with them, they would

(50:07):
fight and they would hit each otherbecause there was times she came here and
she had hit him with her phoneand he had a black guy, so
it was like, did you witnessthem? I didn't get to see it,
but he told him. Okay,So so you guys know that there's
domestic between the team, and Itold them to get out of there,

(50:29):
get out of there. I wouldtell him leave, And what's crazy is
that he would leave come here,and she would call and tell him to
come back, and she would comeand get them. I've been you know,
told about my neighbors. I'm sorry, I don't have it anymore.
But at one point, attendant actuallysent us a video. But yeah,

(50:51):
there fighting and leading on each otherout in my car. I thought she
evermated someone, you know, orit was an emergency. She could reach
out to me and I would domy but I've didn't help her. You
called out for But after a while, she just kept taking him back and
taking him back. I just sawarrest him. You know, he's just
gonna called it, I thought,because you don't wanted to stop. You
know, he's not doing anything toget help and bring to you, and

(51:15):
you just keep dealing with it.I mean, you know, there comes
a point where it's just stupid.The common denominator here is that Sarah's version
of incidents seemed to consistently leave outor twist some details, shifting all of
the blame off of herself and ontosomeone else. And let me tell you,

(51:37):
it only gets worse from here,folks. On February twenty fifth,

(52:08):
twenty twenty, Orange County deputies recoveredthe body of George Torres Junior from the
suitcase he died in and performed anautopsy. The next day, they spoke
to Sarah in the interrogation room.So this morning we went for his autopsy

(52:28):
and we were informed of some injuriesthat he has by the doctor. So
he's got scotch marks to his back. I know that's fun, okay,
And it's called contusion. Do youknow what contusion is? So like,
basically you're getting hit and then youknow, you get a mark from it.

(52:50):
You'll get bruising, like someone hateyou or something like. That's called
a contusion. So he had someinjuries to his left shoulder. He he
had to cut me or he's likelip. We could see we could see
his mouth as a hole. Ihaven't liked the hand on him. Okay,
also too, I he fell offmy son's bike, Okay, so
I don't know. And he's notoriousfor running into the wall or the halting

(53:15):
as a why Okay, I don'tknow. What about the scratches because there's
also sex, yes, okay,because there's also like a like a scratch
on the back of his neck likekind of like going but it's like going
straight across. I have no ideawhat that's from. And they're all recent

(53:37):
like if they occurred recently, itwasn't something that occurred post or that occurred
a week ago, two days ago, three days ago. They definitely occurred,
you know, the night leading upso when he was in all honesty,
all honestly, we had not gotteninto it. Okay, That's why
I like, the only thing Ithought you guys were going to ask me
about, which I was going toask with you. Anyway, I just

(53:58):
scratched marks on his back. Everythingelse. I have no idea what it
is. Didn't she just say thatthe bruises and other injuries were from falling
off a bike and running into walls. Now she's saying she doesn't know about
the bruises. She only has anexplanation for these scratch marks. We're just
talking about what occurred Sunday, because, like I said, the injuries are

(54:21):
they occurred within that time period.So you're talking about day before yesterday,
Sunday leading into Monday. You calledit yesterday at once. So but the
incident you guys were painting and stuffthe night prior, correct, So we're
talking about Sunday. Why I thoroughlyconfused, because we had a good time
sitting on the back porch having wineand snow, a couple of cigarettes,

(54:45):
and then decided to go inside andliterally paint, do puzzles and play and
listen a music. That's why nobodygot out of sorts. This is what
mind blowing to me, Like Idon't, I have no nobody laid a
hand on any boy. Here's theirnext door neighbor. Again, he remembers

(55:06):
what he heard that night, andit wasn't all fun in games. My
bedroom shares all with their lower halfof their in the lower half. Okay,
do you recall hearing anything coming fromApartment three while you were After you
had gotten home around ten thirty,there was a very loud crashing sound where

(55:30):
I believe I'm not sure, havingbeen in their arming, I remained that
I believe it is the location ofthe the staircase. Okay, so a
little bit of a very loud musiccrashing sound. Yeah, like it sounded
like something down the stairs because itstarted out high and then abandoned. Hmm.

(55:53):
Sounds a lot like he's describing aheavy suitcase being thrown down a flight
of steps. He also had umlike on the left side of his forehead.
He had basically bruising and like hishead and his skull. I have
no idea as if something hit him. I consider not for such Tarama.

(56:16):
I have not touched him. Ihave not touched him. How would you
get those? Tell me and we'llboth know I have not touched him.
We had a good day. Itwas a good day. We've had good
days lately, even considering everything that'sgoing on with our jobs and life in
general and ex wives and everything,it's been good. Like I don't even

(56:39):
know where this is coming from.Yeah, I think latched physical was probably
you said, I think what amonth ago where you got those injury right?
You said, the us every weeksever take yeah, a few weeks.
That was the last like physical altercationbetween the two of you. Um.

(57:00):
Month ago, you was a curtainRod. Yeah, like Curtin Rod.
That's why I can't leave you.Guys didn't take that either. Like
we've been good. I don't knowif like it's since the last time he
got out of jail. Like we'vebeen good and he's been having his classes
men him seeing his pribation officer,who's amazing. So what do you mean

(57:20):
by good? What's your definition?Deformation officer? I know you said you
guys have been good? What's yourdefinite? I've been good. I don't
think you will understand. He comesat me all the time. He comes
at me. Then why are youstill with him? Everybody asked me that
when I tell you guys this,I really love who like I do,

(57:43):
and I feel like I can helphim, like I feel like I could
help him, which I did,because he's come a really he came a
really long way from where he wasin Philadelphia to moving back to hear and
to dealing with everything else that he'sbeen dealing with. I just really helped
him. I failed not a jail, but three times. I've gone to
every single hearing and every single arrayment, everything that I did for him,

(58:06):
going to see all his public defenders, go to the state. I've gone
to the state. I did everythingfor him to get him, trying to
help him because I had but Ihope inness and he was trying. He
was really trying. Just then hestarts to think about things and it just
I think he gets overwhelmed, andthen it's like the next thing to know,
he's drinking. So it's like,oh, man, I know where

(58:30):
this is going to go. SoI'm gonna go upstairs and read a book,
or I'm gonna go for a bikeride, or I'm gonna do something
else where. I don't want todrink. I don't want to drink the
intentional wine whatever. Or if it'sa weekend, that's when you have a
good time. You don't have towake up the next day. I have
to wake up the next day anddo things. I have to tend to

(58:51):
Lucas, I have to take himto school. I have all this stuff
to do. He doesn't know howto, I guess maintain himself where I
can do fifty things at once andstill know the fifty things more previously prior
that I need to get done.He can't process like that. He didn't
process like that, so he wouldliterally not literally, but had school come

(59:13):
out of his years. So thenext thing, you know, he doesn't
want to deal with it. I'mgoing to go get something to drink.
So the majority of the time Iwould hang out outside or do something else
because I don't want to drink.The man you're about to hear from is
a maintenance worker at Sarah and George'sapartment complex, and he's also a childhood

(59:34):
friend of George's from back in Philadelphia. They were close friends from the time
George was fourteen to his mid twenties. They reconnected fifteen years or so later
when George moved into his unit.Throughout the years that the couple lived in
this apartment building, the maintenance guyhad been in and out for repairs.

(59:57):
He was around a lot and hesaw a lot. This allowed him to
get to know Sarah pretty well.He often chatted with George separately, rekindling
their friendship and eventually had some deepconversations with George about his relationship or world
of the fact that George had aprobation officer, he was in handler management,

(01:00:22):
and again they had the good timesare bad times. Sometimes he would
instigate the situations when Jordan at thetimes Sarah Boom instigating the situations and she
ended up with buses. But that'smore of him, like I push him
off of himself, okay, andthat's when he's helped him. Yes,
very hard. Sarah verified idea Okay. Where they did they both drink off?

(01:00:50):
Yes, yes, okay, excess? What in excess? They didn't
drink to drink. They drank tosmar as the sunset all the time.
In between, they just had avery rocking physical delisionship. I don't know.
Did you re see marks of bruiseson him? Yes? Okay,

(01:01:10):
like what scratches on the back kindof he said with him with her attacking,
Kennedy's kind of just trying to stopher bad but because she's such lights
and as soon as he touched it, instant bruses old across the arms and
things of that nature. Right,Even though Sarah kept repeating over and over
to police that she and George hadbeen doing well over the past several weeks,

(01:01:34):
she told the maintenance man something different. Entirely did they had it until
fight? He grabbed it by thehair and dropper downstairs two days probably about
two days to this situation, sothat would be Saturday, over the weekend
took place a little again, satasAIRSI okay. Then she told us that

(01:01:55):
they were playing out and see hewent to the suit shed they she loves.
She passed out, So they justhad another blowout argument. A few
days prior to George's death. Accordingto Sarah, she got dragged by her
hair again. Who knows what elseensued, what other details she might be

(01:02:17):
leaving out. The important part isthat Sarah was probably angry after that encounter
and felt like she had the rightto hurt George in response. And no,
I'm not just speculating about this.This time, Sarah didn't just scratch
at his neck to try to stranglehim in the heat of a scuffle.

(01:02:39):
It seems like some parts of thiscrime were planned out. I got the
puddles and the faint to frank gethim off of it, so we don't
have a drink, or he didn'thave a drink. So when you all
see my phone, you can seeall of the damage he has done to
me, and the videos advance smashingmy television because he's solligerently drunk. Well,

(01:03:04):
most of the times, I justdon't want to be there and I
try to help him. I tryto calm him down, eventually he just
passes out. Well, yesterday,I mean it sound like you guys were
just drinking like a glass or two, like, yeah, you obviously have
the bottle, but you I meanyou told me on the yeah, but
you told me on recording like thatyou were not drunk. He was not

(01:03:24):
drunk. You guys were at bya good time. I don't get I
can't get drunk. I never whyI do not want to get drunk.
I don't like being non complimentious,having my wits about myself. I don't
like feeling out of control. SoI'm just saying you're you're making it sound
like like he's a raging alcoholic todayand yesterday. I was kind of asking

(01:03:47):
you those questions, and you're likea little defensive, like, no,
we're not alcoholics. He I'm valueor not, you know, but you
guys are both sober on Sunday toyour knowledge is when I said you went
and passed out, you were like, no, I didn't pass out,
I just fell asleep. So nowit's kind of like, what is it.
Were you guys drinking and it gotout of here and it got physical?

(01:04:12):
No or is it Sunday? Itwas one of the better days that
we have had in quite some time. Unfortunately, for Sarah, the truth
of her drunkenness would probably have helpedher in this case. She must have
been so wasted the night before shetotally forgot what was on her phone when

(01:04:33):
she offered it up to detectives asproof of George's abuse. What they found
instead was proof that Sarah had murderedGeorge. Have you, guys ever played
you said you played Hide, andseems like probably three times in your relationship
when you have played. Have youever zipped him up in a suitcase prior?

(01:04:55):
No? Okay, So it wasjust kind of like that prop was
there, and it was there,and it was in play. Because why
do you say it like that,though I would care review that you would
never up I'm up in a suitcase? Well, I mean, I mean
we were playing. No I did, but I but I'm saying I'm talking
about how I didn't seek, whichis a game. So um, okay.

(01:05:17):
So do you remember making any videosor maybe having any cover anything,
any photos videos that you remember doingon your phone on Sunday? No,
I think I took a picture ofa dog okay, okay, um.

(01:05:39):
So I have something that I wantto show you that we found and it
was from your phone. Can yousee you? Can you to move it
around? Ahead? No, Idon't remember that for everything? Your bat

(01:06:08):
is it long? Because I don'tknow how much I hate I don't know
how much I can do it conveniently. Just as detectives were revealing the smoking
gun, Sarah pointed out that thelaptop was dying, and then it did.

(01:06:30):
Here's the video they found on herphone. It showed the downstairs area
of the couple's apartment and a darkcolored suitcase faced down on the floor,
except the suitcase was moving and asmall voice could be heard coming from inside
of it, pleading for Sarah tolet him out. Do I have to

(01:06:57):
watch this? I can us?We throw up. I don't sleep.
I don't want to see it.If that's okay, Well, it's on
your phone and you can either explainit or we take it for what it
is. We're just trying to givea new opportunity to tell us what's going
on. That's for everything you've sendto me, Sah, for everything you've

(01:07:17):
gend to me. So fuck you, so fuck you, Sala stupid Sarah,
it's my name. Don't wear itto I cannot talk out where you

(01:07:38):
be Sarasi. Yeah, that's whenyou do, and he shoke me.
S First of all, Sarah isabsolutely wasted in this video. You can
hear it in her voice. Secondof all, this man still kept his
calm demeanor and even called Sarah babeas he was dying in the suitcase that

(01:08:01):
she trapped him in. Needless tosay, this audio is horrific. Sarah
Sarah Okara, I can't breathee.That's on you. Sarah, I can't
breathe. That's on you. Sarah. Reel around and I want to give

(01:08:28):
video for extram, gonna get SarahLund Sarah, I can't breathe. Oh
that's what I feel like when youcheat on me, Sarah youth. So

(01:08:51):
yeah, he should probably shut thefuck up. There's two different videos and
still a picture where yeah, itshows you he's flipping in the different positions
and him saying that he can't breathe. So this is upside down. So

(01:09:12):
in order for him to have gotteninto it, it was flipped up right.
It was flipped up normal, likeif you're packing something. So this
is upside down. Guys, thisis killing me right now. So this
image is upside down, and thenthe small video that occurred eleven minutes later,
it's flipped over the other way,closer to your dining room table.

(01:09:36):
Okay, now he's obviously still inthere, so he didn't How did that?
How did it go from the backto the front. I flipped it?
Okay. My plan was not togo upstairs and go to sleep.
Well that's what you did, butnot intentionale. No, you told me
you went upstairs because you were atHarry for bed stops here. Okay,

(01:09:59):
but show me where you can seeany fingers coming out, because there is
the end. It's in his head'sright here. So going like this rather
than going all the way up it'slike this. But why is he saying
I can't breathe? And why ishe pushing on it as if he can't
get out? There's no hole,there's no fingers. I don't see his

(01:10:24):
fingers, there's no holes. Idon't know what you want me to tell
you, like, I don't knowlike what you want me to tell you.
I'm just showing you. I'm justtelling you what we see and what
we've heard from the iggin. Iunderstand he's begging to let for you to
let him out. You sound you'relaughing in the beginning, and then in
the end it sounds kind of likea no, it's not malicious. Oh

(01:10:46):
say it's not malicious. What doesfuck you mean to you? Well,
like if you're just if artists tellmy life? She says, like,
I get told everything but white woman. So I my intention was not to
leave him in there. Please understandthat My intention was not to leave him

(01:11:10):
in there. But you went upstairsthinking that he could get himselt out.
But the video shows at five pointwhen I seen his fingers, he'll be
up here any bed, and thenthirty minutes later he didn't show, and
I shareing like that. Do youthink you told me he was laughing?
And we were, but were youthere's there's no wars got in there.

(01:11:33):
Both of us were How long washe in there for? Like this video
is an eleven twelve when it starts, so it was he in there for
like a long time prior to knowor he was no? No, so
it goes from funny to no longerfunny. But you're the only one laughing.
But I didn't think that he waslike pantykey, like I didn't I

(01:11:56):
so pushing up on a suitcase,saying Sarah Sarah, Sarah, I can't
breathe, George, she's done thatin the past before, to where it's
just like he thinks that he's wellwith me kind of thing where it's like
you've never been lost in a suitcase, but now are you going to get
out? So please don't. Idon't need to sound negative, and I
don't know if I can't say this, but like it's like you guys are

(01:12:19):
kind of trying to like feed me, Like no, I'm just trying to
show you a video that you nolonger want to watch because you probably don't
want to know the outcome of howand what you said. Well, I
know what, you know what's onthat video? Now, now you remember
making that video. So why don'tyou remember making the video? Probably because
we have been drinking, but youweren't drunk. And that's how the whole

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rest of this interrogation went. Sarahcontinually tried to go back and forth on
whether they were drunk or not,and adamantly repeated that she thought George should
have been able to get out ofthe suitcase over and over again. She
claimed she had no malicious intentions whenshe went upstairs to bed and just left

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him there. So you all thinkthat it's like, oh good, I
got him in there, Now I'mgoing to go to sleep. Is thout
you guys are trying to assume,are trying to like or just the video
is very portraying of the opposite ofwhat you told us. It is not.
It is not leading up. Itis not matching what statement you gave

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us in the car. So andthat's why we want to know. And
I don't remember you're doing this.The injuries are not consistent with what you've
told us. So we have alot of inconsistencies. And it's a video
explained itself. It really truly does. There's this so it doesn't matter anything

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what it is I say, So, it makes no difference whatsoever. It's
just you keep you're lying and likeyou're not you're now changing, you're lying
about what you're now now now you'reI ever said that I was dropped exactly
what you did here today. That'sokay. So everything's everything are valid.

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You bring it on alcohol. Alcoholdoes a lot to people, yes,
but I never said I was dropping. You did so you did, you
did a sober You knowingly left themdown there sober. I have already told
both in you also that we wereboth drinking, right, but you want
to admit that you were drunk?Is that? I am telling you all
those this has changed my life.I will pay this. I don't know.

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That's interestingment. Absolutely. Sarah wasarrested at the end of her interview
and was charged with second degree murderand the death of George Torres Junior.
This all caught her a bit bysurprise. Wait, why isn't the gas
lighting working? This has always workedbefore. These upcoming clips are lengthy but

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well worth it. Okay, Sarah, so you're not pretty though. Okay,
Tom, do you promise everything youtold us was the truth? Or
no? Everything we've talked about today? Yes? What do you mean?

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I swear? Remember I swore youyesterday on the on the audio recording.
I just forgot so you raised hishand to remind me to tell you.
Okay, do you promise. I'msure that everything we talked about today has
been true and accurate to the bestof your knowledge or what's true, and
I hear it to the best ofyour knowledge. But that it was,
and I sent home everything you've saidtoday, everything that's come out in your

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mouth, has been true and accurateto the best of your knowledge, to
the best of my knowledge. Correct, Yes, Why that's how you for
somebody to assure that everything that wetalked about is true and accurate to cove
best to that person, chaledge,it's not a true question, to the

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best of my knowledge, to thebest of your knowledge, everything that you've
told us to stay is true andaccurate to the best of your knowledge.
Yes, but it was not intentional. What coat all right? Give me
if I ever stand up? Anddid you turn on Fastolf? But chians
behind your back? Do you haveanything in your pockets that I should know

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about? Okay, life is happeningbecause George's death not intentionally. We understand
who's still did well? I usedto call Ryan? Please okay? Or
cannot make a something. You'll beable to make a phone call when we

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get you down to the jail.So right, So this was a trick
you're to ask you to explain toyour things. You're right, You're right.
Your response to everything was basically,I didn't do it intentionally. Don't

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matter? Still my favorite how toseek. Really, guys, really,
so if I didn't show up,why are you trying? Because before y'all
said I could leave that I wasdone as it is. After that,

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we were done. Yes, wewere done. So now so that's what
it did. We were done right, not intentional? Okay, So what
am I supposed to do now?Someone needs to call Brian. Lucas is
waiting for mom to come home.This was not my attention. I thought

(01:18:00):
I was waiting for you all tocome and figure out what's what and how
many that's what we're trying to do. And I was going to be able
to go home and see Lucas.Now he's just not going to have me
come home. So there's nothing thatI can do. All right, now,
there's nothing that I can do inorder to go home and see Lucas

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and prepare. You'll be afforded ata time in court. You'll be afforded
an attorney, you'll be afforded achance to talk to a judge, and
all that stuff will be worked out. But what's the time frame for that?
Though? I have in a wayof being able to tell you you
should make first appearance, probably righttomorrow morning. It's not tonight, depending

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how things are busy, how quicklyyou get down there. I had an
work admission that's just going to happen, and I need water, like really
bad. Please. Sarah pleaded notguilty to her charges, and we may

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never know if she ever got thatdrink of water. She has, however,
had six lawyers, so there's that. Numerous attorneys have filed motions to
withdraw from Sarah's case, some ofthem approved for things like conflicts of interest,
but others for an irreparable relationship betweenclient an attorney. This woman sounds

(01:19:39):
like a real treat. Sarah sendshandwritten letters to the judge on a regular
basis, angry that her case stillhasn't been taken to trial. Well,
Sarah's getting her wish. Her trialis scheduled for the beginning of April,

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and by the time this episode isreleased, the case should be either winding
down or have already been wrapped up. I'm sure you'll be seeing lots about
it on social media, so ifyou can, you know, tell them
about our coverage of it. Ifyou don't mind, none of you tweet

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anymore, do you? In anycase, it was Sarah's intention at the
time of this recording to pursue thebattered spouse syndrome as a defense color me
shocked. But hey, recording tosome of you, I just hate women.

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Oh well, good luck, Sarah. I'm sure you'll do just fine
gas lighting a whole jury. Allright, that's gonna do it. Guys,

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