June 30, 2024 • 63 mins
Amber Smith and Trenton Mallory had a simple life together with two boys and a wedding in the works. Then Amber came home to find their house ransacked and Trenton dead. No one could have expected such a tragedy to hit a small snowy town and the killer only would be revealed as the ice started to melt.
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know nine one. I just gohome and taking my son and the doctor,
and my door was open, andwhen I came insid and some all
over my house and my mom's home, and I didn't see I'm just to
see my father the way I watchedI go. Okay, take a deep
press. Okay, take a deeppress. Tell me do you address your
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calleing frock. On March sixth,twenty fourteen, a young mother named Amber
Smith arrived back at her Michigan hometo find her house had been ransacked.
There was stuff thrown everywhere. Afraidthere was a burglar inside, she rushed
her child back to the car andcalled nine one one, okay, and
tell me, tell me what happened. I didn't like to hear what you
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had said this morning. I justlike, you know, I just went
off at school and I could seeother one to the doctor, and I
just kept back home and my myscreen door was open, and my and
my experior door was open. Butmy fiance is home. So I thought
you just looked it open. AndI walked in, and I thought stuff
all over my counter and on thefloor, and so I told my kiddo
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to kid and stuff on and getback in the cook and I ran back
out looking at my phone. Andso you think somebody has broke in stuff
everywhere, and I don't see myfiance, but I didn't want to go
further into the house. Amber wasterrified. She sat in her car in
the snow, begging for help.What is your name? Amber? Okay?
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Amber, I'm gonna help you this, but I need you to take
a deepread. I'm just I'm tryingto get the information crept all right,
I got you an Amber? Whatis your last names? Okay? And
so is your son's faith? Ishe outside? We're both sitting in the
car, okay, all right?In about what time did you leave today?
I last about five afty seven,maybe because I had the top of
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the store and get my other sacksto take the class with him. Okay.
And when you left, your fiancewas there at the house. Yeah,
because the kids wanted them to comewith us, and they couldn't get
him to wake up because he wassnoring. Twenty eight year old Amber was
a mother of two boys, oneshe had with her and the other one
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was at school. When she leftthat morning, her fiance, Trenton Mallory
was still asleep. And does hedrive? Like I said, your vehicle
there? It was fucking cool.Okay, But you didn't see him in
the house, you know, SoI go, I can. I can't
advise you to today. Amber.You need to use your own judgment.
Whatever you do, I'm going tokeep you online until the officers get there.
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Does he have any known medical issues? No? And by my partner
sending the officers up that way?What kind of gel are you waiting at?
Amber? Oh, that's a goldChevy Malibu. Why is it always
a Chevy Malibu? Anyway, let'scontinue now. When you left the morning,
you said he was sleeping. Hewas in the bedroom. Yes,
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him. Did you guys have anargument or anything? Actually, I got
clumsy with him. We fell asleepon the couch last night watching one of
our recorded shows, and we wokeme up when he went to bed,
And then I said, I don'tfeel like getting up, and he's like,
come on, let's go sleep inthe bed. And I was like,
okay quickly, I'm so grumpy.But it was in the morning,
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so okay, all right, O, yeah, I just I've never had
anybody in my home before. Andhe said the stream screen door was broke.
No, no, no, mytwo doors were open, okay to
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the house, yes, and youknow what they were closed when you left?
Yes, well I double checks becauseI had to run back inside because
I forgot my son's back back toschool. Okay. Amber was too scared
to go inside and check on Trenton. She stayed in the car, taking
deep breaths, watching the steam fromher chattering teeth rise into the cold air.
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And there's like papers and stuff strewedabout her, what you know,
like my entire cabinet like full ofmedicine and like where we keep all that
kind of stuff. It's like everywhereit's all of them telling her. And
then in the living room it's bookson the floor. So that was as
far as I went, and Iteamed back out. Amber said she'd been
trying to reach Trenton all morning.She was out and about with her two
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boys, yeah, and I've beendrinking him all morning, but I mean
sometimes he's sleeps been pretty late,so I didn't think anything of it.
And when is the last time heactually talked to him? This morning?
Before I left, I woke himup and told him that I was taking
the kids to school and taking personto a doctor. Okay, so about
what time was that? Well,what time did I get out of bed?
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So I had to read about twentyafter six. Amber and Trenton's five
year old son was visibly shaken upin the back seat, watching his mother
milk down. Yeah, tell thekids, tell the child the afters on
their way, so that the policeare coming, Honey, they're going to
look and see what's going on.Okay, the one want to keep up
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safe, right, Yeah, justgo ahead and stay in your car there,
okay until they get there. Ohmy heart's going a hundred miles an
hour. I can imagine. I'msorry. I'm right here with you.
Okay, I'm calming down. Justcalm down, mommy. The dispatcher instructed
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Amber to drive her car down abit so police could find her. She
backed up her car and waited,breathing heavily. The police were having trouble
finding her address with all the snowbanks, and her son was scared as she
tried her best to coax him down. I know, mommy's not trying to
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be upset any Mummy's just a littlebit scared right now. Okay. You
know when you get scared if youwatch a scary movie. Well, momma
got a little bit scared too.But I'm a girl, so I panic
a little bit. What don't youthink she'd be worried about what I'm worried
about getting too. Finally, thepolice car came around the corner. Oh
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no, I don't think you canfind it. I'm gonna stand out of
my clos I waved at him tobe consuming can put into my driveway right
now, Hey, Amber, goahead and talk to him. I'm gonna
go ahead and just connect. Okay. When the officers and ambulance arrived on
the scene, they greeted a distraughtAmber in her driveway. The snow was
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piled up, and they asked herto wait in her car as they entered
the home. Just like Amber haddescribed, the house was a wreck.
It looked like someone had haphazardly gonethrough every drawer, pulling out clothing,
papers, medicine and food and thenjust throwing it around as though they were
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looking for something. When they reachedthe couple's bedroom, they found Trenton.
He had been shot in the backof the head and was lying under the
covers. When the police return tothe cold winter air, they told Amber
the news there is absolutely nothing easyto say to do to make you feel
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any better at point. So I'mterribly sorry for this. But on the
flip side of that, I'm herefor I'll give you times of the EPI.
I guess, okay you but heI'm sorry. He he told them
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as far as the time you leftand said they got a good time.
Laine was right, that's what's hisname? Again? Is your financiers trent
Trenton? And what does Trenton dodo coke? Okay? And what did
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you do for coke in the winter? Tiny merchandises in the summer somewhere?
Trenton was a merchandiser and a reliefdriver for Coca Cola. You'd been working
for the company for many years.He was a hard working family man who
loved Amber and their boys deeply.And how long have you been with him?
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Like officially five years, but I'vebeen we've been best friends for like
ten years. We went out hisflind date and uh, is your your
fiancee? When when we do?When we're playing with it, and we
didn't have a date set because withMarshall, he's disabled and he gets you
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know, SSI, and he getschild sport from his dad, and you
know, financially, it would havebeen stilly for us to get married right
now. So we were just kindof waiting whit Carson started kindergarten. I
was going to try and go backto school for nursing and married. Okay,
now these both Trenton's kids, marMarshall's. Who's Timothy Traam? You
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told trent Or Marshall, But hewasn't Marshall's dad. They mentioned in the
Nose. He's always been there sincethe Dame Marshall was born. Timothy Shram,
I don't know Kingsley. I thinkhe doesn't. We don't have anything
to do with him. Now yousay you don't have anything to do with
him, Does he have anything todo with Trenton? In contact with each
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other at all? They met oncewhen tim met Marshall, the only time
he's ever met him. Trenton andAmber had met when she was pregnant with
Marshall, her first son, andhe had raised the boy as his own.
Carson came into the family a yearlater. So tell me did he
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Did they ask you or talk toyou about Trenton's night? Night? Yeah?
What did you do from six o'clockPM last night? Until? Oh?
No? We ate dinner, Iknow, we din a little late.
Cat napped until about five o'clockcast todayafternoon. He was really tired and
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he got up and I was picking. Really, I'm about sleeping so long
because I was tired too, becauseCarson has spent six so he was up
all night and uh so I cookeddinner. We had spaghetti, and I
watched SpongeBob or Breadwinner or something likethat on TV. Well, we ate
it. We told the kids weget out a picnic because they weren't feeling
good, and he kind of hurtmy feeling as well because he didn't have
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seconds. And I know he hatespaghetti, but I love it. So
we ate spaghetti. And then Iput the kids in the bathroom when he
watched something on TV while I wasdoing that, and Carson and I played
Candy land. After he got outof the tub and the kids went to
bed. It was a little late, and they went to stay because I
know, I couldn't stand that.You know, hey, it's we pissed
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you good time. We took themin and then we went out. Time
to men cigarette and we came inand I made some kool aid and we
sat down and watched our shows,but we had recorded, and we fell
asleep watching the last one, theAmericans. We fell asleep on the couch
and Trent got up about I don'tknow. He told me what time it
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was. It was like threety inthe morning. He got up and he
woke me up. I'm sorry,but this is a lot of details,
isn't it. It's like a shockingamount of details for a woman who just
found out that her husband was killed. Maybe she's just nervous, But go
on amber because I fell asleep sittingup and I don't feel like going to
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bed because I was I'm cranky whenI wake up. Then he's then he
woke me up again and they saidstop being siwassie, and he's like,
well, you're counna get a quickin your nick and he pulled me into
bed and carried my hand and wewent to sleep. Who doesn't like Trent?
Who would be his biggest enemies?Everybody likes Trent. He's such a
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good guy. Everybody likes him.Enemies, I don't think. So.
There's only one person in this worldthat we cannot stand, and that's my
mother. Talk to me about thatwise man, you know her, Darlene
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Simpson. Okay, that's wherever yourname? Before she tried to get me
to call you when she listened toshe, we won't let hers, you
know, have anything to do withus, because she's crazy. Amber's mother,
Darlene had a criminal history, andthe two no longer spoke, but
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in a small town like theirs,it was hard to completely avoid each other.
She told everybody name that Marshall dies. Like all these people she worked
with them stuffs so she can getmoney from them in time off work.
Like she told everybody that he wasdead, and so we found out that
she she got a tattooed to commemoratehis death, like a tattoo. I'm
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like, like, not a littleone, it's like this big, huge
like and the people that did thetattoo and told us it was for her
dead grandson, and I the saidhim a picture, and I said,
that's my son and he's very muchalive. And I told her I was
gonna go down to her house andtalk to her about it. And she
had all of our stuff from wewent on to make a wist trip for
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mar show because he's too little,you know, And she had all of
our keepsakes to mementos because she wasgonna make us a scrap book. So
Trent said, wait for me.I want to come with you because I
to see myself. And we showedup there. She went't answer the door.
She called the cops on us.The officer noted that he'd better look
into Darlene, but he had tofocus on the murder. What exactly happened
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when Amber and Carson arrived home.I kicked off my shoes and Carsen was
taking all this stuff, and Icame around the corner and I saw the
stuff everywhere. I turned around,the sad past, and I say,
get yourself back on and go outside, just because I mean, there was
no reason for meds to be allover my calendar, like Trent when I
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do that. So I guess growingup with a police officer, I was
taught to be scared of situations likethat. So I just hurried up back
outside and I closed one one.And why if I were to tell you
that it's possibility okay, uh assomebody caused the deaths here, thisbody caused
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the death to Trent. Who doyou think would do such a thing.
Somebody? Trent buys and trades alot of stuff, So there's always people
coming and going buying stuff or sellingstuff. When you say buying, trade
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me that parter kings. Well,everybody who knows Trent like Wilson's and they
call him trader Trent because he's alwaystrading something like he wants to be the
next barter king, and so he'salways buying stuff that he can make a
profit on. You know, duringthe slow seasons, Trenton would buy and
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sell things on Craigslist and other barteringsites. Maybe someone he'd met on one
of these shady websites was responsible forthis. What was the last thing he
saw? He treated a gun?A gun? What kind of gun?
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What is a little tuppoortant Winchester,some kind named Gordon? He treated it
for a tevy that we had bought. Trenton and Amber had many guns in
the house and other valuables too.They kept cash on hand, but none
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of that or the guns had beentaken. The only thing that was stolen
was Trenton's life, which is unusualfor a stranger to want to take if
this, in fact is homicide.If it is, I would assume that
you would shall operate to the forest. That means taking computers phones in that.
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Amber was cooperative, but there wassomething that didn't add up with this
whole story. Listening at home,you're probably getting that sense too. Luckily,
she was ready and willing to beher overly chatty self with the police,
and she, like most women,Oh boy, here come the emails,
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talked a lot more then she neededto. Thirty six year old Coca
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Cola worker and family man Trenton Malloryhad been found shot in the back of
the head in his bedroom. IsBeyonce Amber Smith and their son Carson walked
into the house to find the placehad been turned upside down and that Trenton
was dead. Amber said that Trentonhad no enemies. The only person they
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didn't get along with was Amber's mother, who she said was nuts and had
been in and out of jail.Trenton also did a lot of trading online
and perhaps someone he had run intodid this to him. You never know.
With the Internet, there's a bunchof weirdos out there, especially on
Reddit, just fat mouth breathing losers. You know who you are. Anyway,
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Amber's boys were taken to Trenton's mother'shouse as she went down to the
police station to further help the detectives. Your relationship amazing, you know,
Gosh when commercial first Yeat's Sake,we found out what we were painted in
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the week before that, and itwas too stressful for us, like we
were two totally different people, andyou know, we're going to handle this
dress together. So was up talkingfor a while, even though you know,
I was pregnant with Carson. Andthen you know, we've worked really
hard on our relationships since Carson's beenbored and we kind of know like what
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makes them tick, you know whatI mean type thing, and you know,
we try not to be such selfishpeople, you know, like we
used to be, and you knowit works for us. I mean,
the biggest argument we get in is, you know, he picks up Carson
incessantly, just bugs that kid andCarson hates it, and you know it
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drives me crazy that he doesn't.And you know you need to leaven alone.
You're too hard on him. AndI mean that's like the biggest fight.
We get it. We just don'tfight because he grew up with parents
that fought. I grew up withparents that fought, and it was just
never something we wanted for our children. So you know, we'd rather not
say anything than fight. But evenyou know, now we've gotten past any
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of that. Like I can't evenmove the last time we have fight.
It's just out what we do financially? All are you guys doing financially?
I don't really take care of ittoo much, but I mean it comes
and goes in the winter, andwe struggling more than we gi him in
the summer, you know, becausehis hours don't work get cut. You
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know, he makes most of hismoney in the summertime. Many striving side
love him. So how much doeshe mean free er? Do you know?
Three thirty eight issue? Okay?Does he do any other side jobs
or no? He just does histrading and treating, okay, And when
we see trading, I mean,talk to me about that. When you
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may like gartering like he has afew like keys and you give me a
shoe. Do you know what Imean? Take? Okay? Do you
get life and trends? No?Just trend No. I think he has
a policy through his work if hegets hurt about the job. Well that
we don't have life insurance policies,any raise investments or anything like that.
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Amber and Trenton lived paycheck to paychecklike most young couples these days. She
claimed she didn't know much about hisfinances. Any psychological trend uh d houseling
psychologists moved counseling in college a littlebit, just lit onely in ms ink
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and and University Anderson, India.What you study, well, I only
went for one year. I studiedcriminal justice and psychology. But Amber didn't
finish her degree. She partied toomuch and was just using college as a
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way to free herself from her parents. There's a lot of that. If
you're a senior in college and haven'tfigured out what you want to do for
the rest of your life, thenmaybe you're one of these people. So
Amber dropped out and she went home. You know, I've known Trent for
a long time. We went ona blind day ten years ago, and
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I chased that boy and chase thatboy, and you know, he just
didn't want anything to do with me, and you know, we were the
greatest friends. But then I decidedto go off and get engaged to somebody
else, and all of a suddenhe was interested in me, you know,
so and then at that point,you know, he wasn't. He
wasn't at a point in his lifethat was okay with me. Like,
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you know, I drank a lot, and he constantly called me for rides
home from the bar because he couldn'tdrive, or because he was going home
with a nasty bartender. You know. So that was our relationship for the
first four years of human and itwas fine. And then Marshall came along,
and you know, he loves kids, like there's nothing in this world
that Trent ever wanted more than tobe a dad. Like he just always
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went a house for the kids.And actually we just talked about it two
days ago when his niece was born. How I shouldn't got my tube's died
because he left once and you know, once he started hanging around when Marshall
was born, you know, werealized that we know each other better than
most married couples to each other becausewe were best friends, and you know,
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we tried to date, and thenthe stuff happened in Marshall, and
you know, it was just toomuch stressed for me, like trying to
deal with a dying child who Iwas pregnant. But then after Christen was
born, you know, we figuredit out that they didn't start in the
most conventional way. Trent didn't andAmber grew together and made a little family
that they were proud of. Youknow. The first Probaut year was a
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struggle, you know, trying tofigure out how to deal with each other
because you know, he came fromliving at his parents' house until he lived
on his own with me, soyou know, he was messy and inconsiderate
and drove me nuts, you know, and I was bossy and they drove
him nuts. So you know,once we figured out the dance of how
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to live with another human being,you know, then it was great.
But Marshall was a sick kid.He had a heart transplant at age one,
and then the poor boy had tobattle cancer. His medical issues were
a huge strain on the family andwere something that would always be at the
forefront of Amber and Trenton's minds.Even now we have to take off at
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home, so Marshall get sick,we've got to go, it would say
it or you know, and thenwe've got to find someone to take herson.
You know, like that's hard enoughto find someone taking one camp let
alone too. You know. Medicalbills piled up as the couple had to
invest in medicine and care, soAmber took to the local media to spread
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the word and fundraise money to payfor her son's treatments. The media coverage
worked, and the couple were ableto pay for Marshall's medical bills with kindness
from strangers. They received Make aWish trips and other forms of charity to
help Marshall live an exceptional life.But it was all experimental medicine, so
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it was you know, everything hadto be paid for by us. You
know, insurance companies don't want tofoot a bill that is an FDA approved.
But it had been hours since Amberhad found out that Trenton was dead,
and now that she had calmed downa bit, they had to ask
a couple of tough questions because youguys just said that it's dead, and
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it was a home side between somebodyelse did it, and the only thing
I can think about is how it'sjust to live my life without him.
Oh my good sister's few. Iimagine if you said this, somebody got
into the safe, then they tooktheir money, you know which, whatever.
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But I don't know why anybody wouldhurt trent because if they needed the
money that I've had, you're justgetting to them. Amber and Trenton had
a safe with about eight hundred dollarsin it and some guns in the house,
but nothing was touched. And itsounds like this, you know,
offense or something like this. Youalways look first inside out. Okay.
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What that means is his circle friends, his circle family is We're going to
do a full it's called victimology,a full victimilic. We know everything we
want to know about turn okay,and that's what I'm asking you for.
So you said the cases using insideouts, So you look at families first,
okay, and you eliminate you justkeep working your way out, right,
you understand that, okay. So, and I'm lying to if I
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didn't tell you that, you know, we do have to look at you,
Okay. Everybody's a suspect. Right, I'm gonna ask you had any
part or just play any part whatsoeverin trying this step. It's your job
inside. Okay. So let's say, let's say our first level. So
we know that the kids didn't doit right, okay, and you're saying
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that you had so that one washer nice love? Well does he hang
out with anybody ones? Amber continuedto sniffle and cry as she recounted all
the happy days she had with trentonthe little things about their relationship, like
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how he would call her bossy,or that she was always running a little
late for work and she'd make hiscoffee and lay out his uniform. Happy
little memories float out of her betweenthe tears. Then the detectives honed in,
did are you curious? So there'sseveral different ways that I was like
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to Kirk, correct, would youagree? So? So he was shot,
but it appears that he was sleepingor this heard so this means it
just looks it a little bit hot. Okay, do you see what I'm
saying? So let's break down everything, all right, So I gotta,
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I gotta, I gotta look this, look at this one in Texas way,
Okay, Well, broad dahead hoopsthe middle door. Right, there's
a truck parked in the driveway.Okay, the door's opens, right,
and then all of a sudden aperson is shot in his sleeps say something
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on to anybody killing another persons onto me? Sure it didn't happen sometimes
not around here? Well, right, I understand that, but it does
have some But I'm saying, youtake all those variables and put them intal
into the basket. You look atit some kind of odd, right,
because I think, how then wouldsomebody know that you're not there? How
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would they know that nobody can?Would may have a Trump Park players,
you have to assume that somebody's there, right, So I guess what I'm
trying to say is that it's youknow, there's there's several things that can
happen or something like this. Okay. One is that you could have done
it, right, I'm just sayingyou could have paid to have somebody to
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do it for you. I'm justjust I'm just talking these are variables that
we have to look at, okay, or it's just some random random chance
to act that this occurred, andup here with something like this, it's
just not random. So there's there'sgot to be a reason, okay,
and you know, so let's let'sdive into reasons. Reasons would be a
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drug deals on bad. Somebody ownssomebody a lot of money and they're not
paying it. Right. Is thereanybody in your family, anybody that trembles
money to the you don't know aboutit. I need to know any dark
secret that you or him may have. I don't know, I mean the
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dark secrets. We don't have any. Okay. So Amber swore there were
no secrets, nothing hidden beneath thesurface. But the detectives knew more.
Sorry little testing ask the same question, okay, would you want to say
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you want? And how do youthink you were doing that test? I
think iming to just fine. Iwas with my kids. I mean,
I've never heard trim have cancers.Question. And with that the detective left.
Amber sat quietly, sniffling and huggingherself in her winter coat. Minutes
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past and then the detective came back. You know, we had two,
possibly three witnesses now and didn't Isee anybody going to to that house or
any car into that driveway? Idon't know what tell you? I mean,
how can we explain that. ButI mean, I'm just telling you
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we have two possibly three saying no, we didn't see any cargoing to that
drive or anybody go into that house. I don't know how to explain that,
right, So who can possibly dothis? No idea. Things were
not looking so good for Amber.Yes, she had an alibi that checked
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out, going to the drug store, dropping her child off at school,
going to her stepsister's house, andthen back home. But no one had
seen a single car or person gointo the house. But day Trenton was
murdered, Amber said the couple hadno secrets, but that just wasn't true
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months ago. There's me tell meabout that. What happened there? I
don't know. I guess we gotwind other payments and we had worked out
an arrangement to pay them. Butthey report it anyway, and I decided
to be ternatic and say that Iwas gonna kill myself over it, just
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because Marshall had to get to thedoctor. And it was quite the situation.
I felt like a dumb mass afterwards, but it was what it was.
So they took the car and wegot the car back. So okay,
well we start killing your stuff.What were you doing maybe? How
was it? Did you a gun? Yeah, there was a gun in
the house, but there's a lotI know, I'm tends to big hunter.
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I don't hunt so Okay. Actuallytaught me how to shoot before ten
the other day the little one thathe had shoated and that was exciting for
me. Amber's car had been repossessedbecause a couple had fallen behind on payments.
Then there was another money issue thatthe police just couldn't ignore. The
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just recently without text me why directlyto the storms that would it was cash?
I don't understand that right levering storeone took care you. Not only
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had Amber written bad checks and hadher car repossessed, but she had been
aggressively flirting with other men on Facebook. How well do you know Ryan Hunter?
N Are used to read them.I used to work with him a
walnut Okay. I loved you knowshe did. I didn't work there.
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Okay. And what was the lasttime you contested them? Turn and I
saw the other day going into servicethree works but we went seeing them to
him, I talked to him.Marshall was hospitalized and I talked to him.
Then that was two thousand. Itwas the last time him we talked
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on Facebook. Maybe it was twentytelve, I don't know. It was
a couple of years ago when itwas my marshal I was hospitalized. All
right, well it was actually itwas sixty eight months ago. Yeah,
you're specifically asking the spot excuse me, and we have those six months ago.
That's correct, And actually in thosemessages had expressed the fact that that's
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just something you do, maybe forin the process of getting those he read
them off to me last night andtwo in the morning. Was anyone else
really stunned by the detective saying askinghim to fuck? That was quite a
shocker. Amber was looking worse andworse. Then they told her that if
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her DNA just happened to be onany of the bullets, she would be
in big trouble. When I'm askingyou said the question, all right,
hey, there may be a lotof excuse me, a lot of twenty
two shells in your house, allright, but is that twenty two shells
the one that we had? Okay, potentially, as he's singing in DNA
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on that shell exactly to come backto you, you better be absolutely certainly,
because I'm telling you right now,but what you're seeing is not necessarily
true. Okay, Okay, SoI mean is there I just need a
way to explain away that I canexplain it for you. Well, why
is that my answer? Yeah,what I'm saying. What I'm saying is
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I did not shoot. Try sobased on what we am when we talk
about your cell phone, when wetalk about eyewitnesses, all right, and
we're talking about true evidence. Basedon that, I'm telling you there's no
doubt whatsoever that you're involved in this, no doubt. There are two reasons.
And I tried to explain that alittle bit too yesterday about it being
two reasons. One it's a personthat is just caught in the middle of
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something that did something that's not supposedto that they would not normally do and
just snapped, okay, or aperson who's just simply psychiatic. Okay,
all right. So when we talkabout this, when we talk about this,
we're talking about something that are twototally different people, right, and
now we're trying to understand it.Right Who you are? All right?
I tell you in a situation andI'm telling you right now that the evidence
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for here is not is not goingaway it's only getting stronger. All right.
Did you have anything to do withthis? All right? Did you
have any knowledge that this was occurring? Okay? And I'm telling you right
now that that's not true. Amberwas adamant about the details of her whereabouts
that day and that she had nothingto do with the crime. But the
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evidence was stacking up against her.You see. Not only had her car
been repoded and she was writing badchecks, but Amber had started to gamble.
At first. She and Trenton wouldgo to the casino together Amber one
big one evening and thought that washer ticket to financial freedom. Of course,
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if you have more than three braincells, you know that's a really
dumb thing to think. But Amberthought it, and she kept going.
She hit the casino alone, andwhen she wasn't there, she'd be gambling
on her phone at night. Bythe time Trenton was dead, she'd racked
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up twenty five thousand dollars in gamblingdebt, all in her husband's name.
As the police continued digging in,they found out that the couple's house was
about to be foreclosed. Amber hadbeen taking out payday loans with a three
hundred percent interest rate. They wereswimming in debt, but it was all
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falling under Trenton, under his name, under his credit. The debts were
all in his name, but Amberwas the one who kept mounting it on
with her gambling. The police lether go. They didn't have enough to
arrest her, at least not yet, but they were looking into her.
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She was the closest to Trenton,the only one in his life who had
a reason to need him gone.But then again, without him, her
children had no father, and shehad no support system or family. There
was no life insurance or cash outon either. Would she really have done
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this to the love of her life. As the weeks passed and the snow
started to melt, Amber's stepsister foundsomething in her driveway that would seal Amber's
fate. Twenty eight year old AmberSmith had come home to find her house
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ransacked and her fiance shot in theback of the head while sleeping. At
first, the police felt bad forAmber, but as they began their investigation,
her entire story seemed suspicious and theythought that Amber was involved. Not
only was nothing of value stolen fromthe home, but Amber and Trenton were
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having major money troubles, and thatalways spells bigger problems. Amber had become
addicted to gambling and had racked upalmost twenty five thousand dollars in debt,
and their finances were buckling beneath them. Bad checks, high interest payday loans,
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and foreclosures were mounting. However,Amber was the one handling the finances,
someone who should have never touched thefinances to begin with. Besides Trenton
being the breadwinner and everything being inhis name, Amber was in charge of
the spending. She was good atit, so the cops were on to
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Amber. Her story was sketchy andshe'd lied about their money issues. She
cried during her interviews, but thesniffles were empty. Still, without DNA
evidence or a confession, they couldn'tarrest Amber, so she was released.
March turned to April, and heavysnowbanks began to slowly melt. That's when
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Amber's stepsister walked outside and saw somethingodd in her driveway. It was a
long brown thing in the snow.She got closer and noticed it's a gun,
the kind Trenton had been murdered with. Remember Amber had said that she
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stopped by her sister's house on theday Trenton was killed, so her step
sister called the police and they mikedher up and had her call Amber.
Oh hey, where you are?Okay, I need to talk to you
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like it's really important and I needto talk to you. Okay, where
are you? I need to talkto you? O my pone or yea.
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I went up to Mike's house andwhen I was leaving there, I
noticed something in a stomach. Andwhen I and I no I played very
yesterday, I was gonna stop atmyself three and talk to it. You
put the gun in the yard.I just I just thought it because I
wanted something for all protection. Sure, Oh I wanted to say something,
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No I did. I tried tocall you twice three times yesterday. Can
I tried to call my cell phoneshere twice? Oh god, no,
I mean I tried to call becausethis here's the ship out of all No.
No, no, I understand that. And I tried to call you
this morning too. I was tryingto say artund so longford, waiting to
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get hold of you so I couldget home. I'm not the eye on
waiel. Okay. Well, Iwas just thinked out because it looked all
to do with it. I didn'ttouch it. Okay, are you kidding
me? I didn't know. Imean it looks I like to look,
it's like a lot like the gunthat they had a picture of that they
said told you they said there wasa gun, missy. And I will
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just shake, you know, freakdright out. Oh no, I try
to get a hold of you.Gotta say, I think the stepsister is
doing an excellent job here on thiscall. It's very believable. It's okay,
it just you know, it justfreaks me out. I mean it
just it looks like it's been therea while, and you know, I
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don't I just my right brain isjust dranger right now. It's just like
I said, it's just to findit there and it looks like it's you
know, just the snowe halted orsomething. I just sheer being like,
all right, I mean I didn'tknow, you know, so many time
to me up. What's going on? You know? Oh gosh, no,
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you're a boy. Bring all along. You're well if you could go
like right to like and get it, because it just gotta get out of
there. No, I agree,all right, you're headings, Yeah,
okay, thank you. Amber saidshe'd be right over and the police were
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waiting at her stepsister's house, stickingout the scene to see if she grabbed
the gun just in time. Sherolled up in her Chevy Malibu, but
the cops had already taken the weaponout of the snow and into their possession.
Exees, I'm recordings coming back toher car. The police watched as
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Amber shuffled around the snow bank lookingfor the gun. She hadn't in her
car. Yep, she is go, go, go go. Then Amber
called her stepsister back and tried tomake up a story as to why the
gun was no longer there. Listencarefully well less understood what he said to
me, I would buying a gunfrom a person named Snow and asked them
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to meet me at myself. Definitelysomething to start my gun in your bank?
So you were going to meet somebodyat Mike's house to buy it?
Well, and if what I saidtoday instead of yesterday, I respected,
I get ahold of Mike because Ifigured that way, I wasn't all alone.
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I I just I am. Ijust don't I am so I don't
even don't think right now, Ijust I don't know. I just feel
like I'm just in such a shittyposition. I'm pissed. I I just
don't I just don't get this.Absolutely, I just don't get this.
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Saw I don't either. I Embertried to say she was meeting a guy
named Snow to buy a gun topreten not that she left it in the
snowbank. Okay, Amber, whateveryou say. I love you, but
I mean, did you you didn'tdo this? Did you? Glue Burgan?
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I said, I love you,but you didn't do this? Did
you? Are? Well? Imean, I don't you got a dog
where I'm coming from here? Thisis just scary as ship and I I
just I'm just falling party. Ijust don't understand all this. I don't
know stand anywhere. But no,I'm gonna do it. Okay, Well,
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I'm gonna go try and pull myselftogether. But I just I just
needed to talk to you, soI know, I don't know. I
guess hopefully we'll get some answers here. So so that would be the hope.
When the police directly confronted Amber aboutthe gun in the driveway, the
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walls began to close in on her. Would your sister tell you about the
gun on the driveway? Anything?So you don't have any idea because it
appears to maybe the same gun thatwe're looking for. That's what she told
me. It's interesting that I endup in your sister's driveway. Interesting,
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don't you think we I think weprobably need to talk about this a little
bit. Don't you remember what Itold you before last time, when we
when we ended our conversation about thetruth and how the truth is always going
to come back and we're going tofigure it out. Yes, well,
this is the point right now,your story start. Okay. We've told
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enough things that are path truths,untrue and just flat out lies at this
point that they're all coming back tobite you. I didn't do anything,
Well, it's not. It's notworking out that way, Amber, and
you can you can continue to denythat, but that we know that's not
the truth. We've now collected themurder weapon that killed your fiance out of
your sister's driveway. Okay, andthat where do you think that is?
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Right now? I have no idea. That's at the labby and process for
a lot of different things, alot of different trace evidence stuff. Okay,
it's all going to come back toyou. It's all already coming back
to your story that you told usis falling apart in the midst of all
this that's coming apart. I toldyou that's what's going to happen. Did
I not? I did? Amberhad painted herself into a corner, and
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she had no more lies on hersleeve, no more sob stories to throw
out, no more ways to makeherself the victim. The gun was being
processed, she was toast gigs up. We don't We're not looking for anybody
else. We've found our person,and here she is. And we've given
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you the opportunity to tell the truthagain and again and again, and you
refuse to do so because you're onlythinking of yourself. You're not thinking of
those kids. There two things thatmean the most humless life. You're not
thinking about You're only thinking about you. I'm trying to think about them.
There were no other tire tracks inher driveway. They connected Amber to the
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murder weapon. The hard evidence wassmacking Amber right in the face, and
yet she did not crack. Isthis what we're gonna do all day?
We're not going away, I justsaid. But again, they still couldn't
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arrest her without the lab results.If Amber's prints were on the bullet or
the gun. That's it. She'dbe done for game over. The police
were so close, so they broughther in one more time, and like
a good, bold faced psychopathic liar, she showed up and took the emotional
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battery. You hold the explanation asto why. Yeah, I guess that's
your opinion. It's not an opinion, it's fact. Disappointed. In fact,
the gun, the bullet that wasentrench head belong to that gun.
That casing that we found the housebelongs to that gun. You were positioned,
that guy. You took a pictureon your phone with that gun,
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and you the gun in the snowback. It doesn't get any more crew than
that. Not do just getting anymore. Cree that right now. Amber,
You're just a cold blot of killer, that's what you are. Who
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shot her fiance Innesley never saw it. Come say who we are? So
what are you? We know you'renot just agrieving fiance, are you?
That's not what you are? Idescribed the essentially from telling you a movie
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on there read everyone thought Amber didit. Everyone, the cops, me,
you listening at home, even Trenton'smother who had loved Amber like a
daughter. There was absolutely no otherexplanation. The theory was that Amber got
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up that morning, packed her kidsin the car, and then ran inside
and shot Trenton while he slept.Then she took the gun with her on
her errands to create an alibi,and in the end dropped the weapon in
the snowbank at her sister's house,knowing it would be concealed for at least
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a month in the cold. Asfor the why, all the debts were
in Trenton's name and the couple wasn'tmarried yet. If she killed them,
then the debt would also die.That's the thinking inside her noodle. That's
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how simple it is. That's howdumb it is. Criminals are not smart
guys. In her mind, shethought she'd end up as a grieving widow,
able to fundraise her way out ofdebt with her newfound misery. Victimhood
these days pays a premium. Afterall. The plan was pretty solid actually,
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as long as Amber stuck to herstory. But the bullets matched the
gun and she was busted with science. Amber went a trial for Trenton's murder
in October of twenty fourteen. Shewas arrested in the spring of twenty fourteen,
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and by the fall she was facingthe courtroom and the jury. Amber
sat sadly in her pink t shirt, barely looking up. During the trial,
it was hard to know what shewas thinking, so she had no
expression on her sullen face. Asthe litigators went over every one of her
missteps in great detail, showing thevideo of her digging for the gun in
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the snowbank. It took the juryless than an hour to find her guilty
of premeditated first degree murder. Amberwill be in prison for the rest of
her life without the possibility of parole. The entire time that Amber was grilled
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by police, they kept telling herto think of her family, think of
her sons, think of anyone exceptyourself. Amber. Amber's very sick child
had been through enough in his shortlife. He had battled cancer and a
heart transplant, and now his fatherwas dead and his mother was going to
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prison. When Amber was doing hermedia circuit to raise money for Marshall's treatments,
she said something almost psychic about thestrength of her boy. Maybe he
was put here to teach the worlda lesson that, you know, if
he can go through all of thisand be happy then what are we all
complaining about. We don't know ifMarshall is happy, or his brother for
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that matter, but we do knowthat they have the love and support of
Trenton's family to keep them thriving.As if Marshall hadn't been through enough,
his own mother, the woman whowas supposed to protect him from harm and
love him forever, cast the greatestdarkness onto her own child instead. Ember
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is a cold hearted killer, andshe is right where she belongs for eternity.
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know nine one. I just gohome and taking my son and the doctor,
and my door was open, andwhen I came insid and some all
over my house and my mom's home, and I didn't see I'm just to
see my father the way I watchedI go. Okay, take a deep
press. Okay, take a deeppress. Tell me do you address your
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calleing frock. On March sixth,twenty fourteen, a young mother named Amber
Smith arrived back at her Michigan hometo find her house had been ransacked.
There was stuff thrown everywhere. Afraidthere was a burglar inside, she rushed
her child back to the car andcalled nine one one, okay, and
tell me, tell me what happened. I didn't like to hear what you
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had said this morning. I justlike, you know, I just went
off at school and I could seeother one to the doctor, and I
just kept back home and my myscreen door was open, and my and
my experior door was open. Butmy fiance is home. So I thought
you just looked it open. AndI walked in, and I thought stuff
all over my counter and on thefloor, and so I told my kiddo
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to kid and stuff on and getback in the cook and I ran back
out looking at my phone. Andso you think somebody has broke in stuff
everywhere, and I don't see myfiance, but I didn't want to go
further into the house. Amber wasterrified. She sat in her car in
the snow, begging for help.What is your name? Amber? Okay?
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Amber, I'm gonna help you this, but I need you to take
a deepread. I'm just I'm tryingto get the information crept all right,
I got you an Amber? Whatis your last names? Okay? And
so is your son's faith? Ishe outside? We're both sitting in the
car, okay, all right?In about what time did you leave today?
I last about five afty seven,maybe because I had the top of
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the store and get my other sacksto take the class with him. Okay.
And when you left, your fiancewas there at the house. Yeah,
because the kids wanted them to comewith us, and they couldn't get
him to wake up because he wassnoring. Twenty eight year old Amber was
a mother of two boys, oneshe had with her and the other one
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was at school. When she leftthat morning, her fiance, Trenton Mallory
was still asleep. And does hedrive? Like I said, your vehicle
there? It was fucking cool.Okay, But you didn't see him in
the house, you know, SoI go, I can. I can't
advise you to today. Amber.You need to use your own judgment.
Whatever you do, I'm going tokeep you online until the officers get there.
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Does he have any known medical issues? No? And by my partner
sending the officers up that way?What kind of gel are you waiting at?
Amber? Oh, that's a goldChevy Malibu. Why is it always
a Chevy Malibu? Anyway, let'scontinue now. When you left the morning,
you said he was sleeping. Hewas in the bedroom. Yes,
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him. Did you guys have anargument or anything? Actually, I got
clumsy with him. We fell asleepon the couch last night watching one of
our recorded shows, and we wokeme up when he went to bed,
And then I said, I don'tfeel like getting up, and he's like,
come on, let's go sleep inthe bed. And I was like,
okay quickly, I'm so grumpy.But it was in the morning,
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so okay, all right, O, yeah, I just I've never had
anybody in my home before. Andhe said the stream screen door was broke.
No, no, no, mytwo doors were open, okay to
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the house, yes, and youknow what they were closed when you left?
Yes, well I double checks becauseI had to run back inside because
I forgot my son's back back toschool. Okay. Amber was too scared
to go inside and check on Trenton. She stayed in the car, taking
deep breaths, watching the steam fromher chattering teeth rise into the cold air.
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And there's like papers and stuff strewedabout her, what you know,
like my entire cabinet like full ofmedicine and like where we keep all that
kind of stuff. It's like everywhereit's all of them telling her. And
then in the living room it's bookson the floor. So that was as
far as I went, and Iteamed back out. Amber said she'd been
trying to reach Trenton all morning.She was out and about with her two
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boys, yeah, and I've beendrinking him all morning, but I mean
sometimes he's sleeps been pretty late,so I didn't think anything of it.
And when is the last time heactually talked to him? This morning?
Before I left, I woke himup and told him that I was taking
the kids to school and taking personto a doctor. Okay, so about
what time was that? Well,what time did I get out of bed?
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So I had to read about twentyafter six. Amber and Trenton's five
year old son was visibly shaken upin the back seat, watching his mother
milk down. Yeah, tell thekids, tell the child the afters on
their way, so that the policeare coming, Honey, they're going to
look and see what's going on.Okay, the one want to keep up
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safe, right, Yeah, justgo ahead and stay in your car there,
okay until they get there. Ohmy heart's going a hundred miles an
hour. I can imagine. I'msorry. I'm right here with you.
Okay, I'm calming down. Justcalm down, mommy. The dispatcher instructed
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Amber to drive her car down abit so police could find her. She
backed up her car and waited,breathing heavily. The police were having trouble
finding her address with all the snowbanks, and her son was scared as she
tried her best to coax him down. I know, mommy's not trying to
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be upset any Mummy's just a littlebit scared right now. Okay. You
know when you get scared if youwatch a scary movie. Well, momma
got a little bit scared too.But I'm a girl, so I panic
a little bit. What don't youthink she'd be worried about what I'm worried
about getting too. Finally, thepolice car came around the corner. Oh
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no, I don't think you canfind it. I'm gonna stand out of
my clos I waved at him tobe consuming can put into my driveway right
now, Hey, Amber, goahead and talk to him. I'm gonna
go ahead and just connect. Okay. When the officers and ambulance arrived on
the scene, they greeted a distraughtAmber in her driveway. The snow was
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piled up, and they asked herto wait in her car as they entered
the home. Just like Amber haddescribed, the house was a wreck.
It looked like someone had haphazardly gonethrough every drawer, pulling out clothing,
papers, medicine and food and thenjust throwing it around as though they were
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looking for something. When they reachedthe couple's bedroom, they found Trenton.
He had been shot in the backof the head and was lying under the
covers. When the police return tothe cold winter air, they told Amber
the news there is absolutely nothing easyto say to do to make you feel
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any better at point. So I'mterribly sorry for this. But on the
flip side of that, I'm herefor I'll give you times of the EPI.
I guess, okay you but heI'm sorry. He he told them
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as far as the time you leftand said they got a good time.
Laine was right, that's what's hisname? Again? Is your financiers trent
Trenton? And what does Trenton dodo coke? Okay? And what did
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you do for coke in the winter? Tiny merchandises in the summer somewhere?
Trenton was a merchandiser and a reliefdriver for Coca Cola. You'd been working
for the company for many years.He was a hard working family man who
loved Amber and their boys deeply.And how long have you been with him?
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Like officially five years, but I'vebeen we've been best friends for like
ten years. We went out hisflind date and uh, is your your
fiancee? When when we do?When we're playing with it, and we
didn't have a date set because withMarshall, he's disabled and he gets you
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know, SSI, and he getschild sport from his dad, and you
know, financially, it would havebeen stilly for us to get married right
now. So we were just kindof waiting whit Carson started kindergarten. I
was going to try and go backto school for nursing and married. Okay,
now these both Trenton's kids, marMarshall's. Who's Timothy Traam? You
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told trent Or Marshall, But hewasn't Marshall's dad. They mentioned in the
Nose. He's always been there sincethe Dame Marshall was born. Timothy Shram,
I don't know Kingsley. I thinkhe doesn't. We don't have anything
to do with him. Now yousay you don't have anything to do with
him, Does he have anything todo with Trenton? In contact with each
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other at all? They met oncewhen tim met Marshall, the only time
he's ever met him. Trenton andAmber had met when she was pregnant with
Marshall, her first son, andhe had raised the boy as his own.
Carson came into the family a yearlater. So tell me did he
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Did they ask you or talk toyou about Trenton's night? Night? Yeah?
What did you do from six o'clockPM last night? Until? Oh?
No? We ate dinner, Iknow, we din a little late.
Cat napped until about five o'clockcast todayafternoon. He was really tired and
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he got up and I was picking. Really, I'm about sleeping so long
because I was tired too, becauseCarson has spent six so he was up
all night and uh so I cookeddinner. We had spaghetti, and I
watched SpongeBob or Breadwinner or something likethat on TV. Well, we ate
it. We told the kids weget out a picnic because they weren't feeling
good, and he kind of hurtmy feeling as well because he didn't have
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seconds. And I know he hatespaghetti, but I love it. So
we ate spaghetti. And then Iput the kids in the bathroom when he
watched something on TV while I wasdoing that, and Carson and I played
Candy land. After he got outof the tub and the kids went to
bed. It was a little late, and they went to stay because I
know, I couldn't stand that.You know, hey, it's we pissed
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you good time. We took themin and then we went out. Time
to men cigarette and we came inand I made some kool aid and we
sat down and watched our shows,but we had recorded, and we fell
asleep watching the last one, theAmericans. We fell asleep on the couch
and Trent got up about I don'tknow. He told me what time it
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was. It was like threety inthe morning. He got up and he
woke me up. I'm sorry,but this is a lot of details,
isn't it. It's like a shockingamount of details for a woman who just
found out that her husband was killed. Maybe she's just nervous, But go
on amber because I fell asleep sittingup and I don't feel like going to
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bed because I was I'm cranky whenI wake up. Then he's then he
woke me up again and they saidstop being siwassie, and he's like,
well, you're counna get a quickin your nick and he pulled me into
bed and carried my hand and wewent to sleep. Who doesn't like Trent?
Who would be his biggest enemies?Everybody likes Trent. He's such a
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good guy. Everybody likes him.Enemies, I don't think. So.
There's only one person in this worldthat we cannot stand, and that's my
mother. Talk to me about thatwise man, you know her, Darlene
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Simpson. Okay, that's wherever yourname? Before she tried to get me
to call you when she listened toshe, we won't let hers, you
know, have anything to do withus, because she's crazy. Amber's mother,
Darlene had a criminal history, andthe two no longer spoke, but
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in a small town like theirs,it was hard to completely avoid each other.
She told everybody name that Marshall dies. Like all these people she worked
with them stuffs so she can getmoney from them in time off work.
Like she told everybody that he wasdead, and so we found out that
she she got a tattooed to commemoratehis death, like a tattoo. I'm
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like, like, not a littleone, it's like this big, huge
like and the people that did thetattoo and told us it was for her
dead grandson, and I the saidhim a picture, and I said,
that's my son and he's very muchalive. And I told her I was
gonna go down to her house andtalk to her about it. And she
had all of our stuff from wewent on to make a wist trip for
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mar show because he's too little,you know, And she had all of
our keepsakes to mementos because she wasgonna make us a scrap book. So
Trent said, wait for me.I want to come with you because I
to see myself. And we showedup there. She went't answer the door.
She called the cops on us.The officer noted that he'd better look
into Darlene, but he had tofocus on the murder. What exactly happened
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when Amber and Carson arrived home.I kicked off my shoes and Carsen was
taking all this stuff, and Icame around the corner and I saw the
stuff everywhere. I turned around,the sad past, and I say,
get yourself back on and go outside, just because I mean, there was
no reason for meds to be allover my calendar, like Trent when I
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do that. So I guess growingup with a police officer, I was
taught to be scared of situations likethat. So I just hurried up back
outside and I closed one one.And why if I were to tell you
that it's possibility okay, uh assomebody caused the deaths here, thisbody caused
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the death to Trent. Who doyou think would do such a thing.
Somebody? Trent buys and trades alot of stuff, So there's always people
coming and going buying stuff or sellingstuff. When you say buying, trade
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me that parter kings. Well,everybody who knows Trent like Wilson's and they
call him trader Trent because he's alwaystrading something like he wants to be the
next barter king, and so he'salways buying stuff that he can make a
profit on. You know, duringthe slow seasons, Trenton would buy and
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sell things on Craigslist and other barteringsites. Maybe someone he'd met on one
of these shady websites was responsible forthis. What was the last thing he
saw? He treated a gun?A gun? What kind of gun?
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What is a little tuppoortant Winchester,some kind named Gordon? He treated it
for a tevy that we had bought. Trenton and Amber had many guns in
the house and other valuables too.They kept cash on hand, but none
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of that or the guns had beentaken. The only thing that was stolen
was Trenton's life, which is unusualfor a stranger to want to take if
this, in fact is homicide.If it is, I would assume that
you would shall operate to the forest. That means taking computers phones in that.
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Amber was cooperative, but there wassomething that didn't add up with this
whole story. Listening at home,you're probably getting that sense too. Luckily,
she was ready and willing to beher overly chatty self with the police,
and she, like most women,Oh boy, here come the emails,
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talked a lot more then she neededto. Thirty six year old Coca
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Cola worker and family man Trenton Malloryhad been found shot in the back of
the head in his bedroom. IsBeyonce Amber Smith and their son Carson walked
into the house to find the placehad been turned upside down and that Trenton
was dead. Amber said that Trentonhad no enemies. The only person they
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didn't get along with was Amber's mother, who she said was nuts and had
been in and out of jail.Trenton also did a lot of trading online
and perhaps someone he had run intodid this to him. You never know.
With the Internet, there's a bunchof weirdos out there, especially on
Reddit, just fat mouth breathing losers. You know who you are. Anyway,
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Amber's boys were taken to Trenton's mother'shouse as she went down to the
police station to further help the detectives. Your relationship amazing, you know,
Gosh when commercial first Yeat's Sake,we found out what we were painted in
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the week before that, and itwas too stressful for us, like we
were two totally different people, andyou know, we're going to handle this
dress together. So was up talkingfor a while, even though you know,
I was pregnant with Carson. Andthen you know, we've worked really
hard on our relationships since Carson's beenbored and we kind of know like what
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makes them tick, you know whatI mean type thing, and you know,
we try not to be such selfishpeople, you know, like we
used to be, and you knowit works for us. I mean,
the biggest argument we get in is, you know, he picks up Carson
incessantly, just bugs that kid andCarson hates it, and you know it
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drives me crazy that he doesn't.And you know you need to leaven alone.
You're too hard on him. AndI mean that's like the biggest fight.
We get it. We just don'tfight because he grew up with parents
that fought. I grew up withparents that fought, and it was just
never something we wanted for our children. So you know, we'd rather not
say anything than fight. But evenyou know, now we've gotten past any
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of that. Like I can't evenmove the last time we have fight.
It's just out what we do financially? All are you guys doing financially?
I don't really take care of ittoo much, but I mean it comes
and goes in the winter, andwe struggling more than we gi him in
the summer, you know, becausehis hours don't work get cut. You
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know, he makes most of hismoney in the summertime. Many striving side
love him. So how much doeshe mean free er? Do you know?
Three thirty eight issue? Okay?Does he do any other side jobs
or no? He just does histrading and treating, okay, And when
we see trading, I mean,talk to me about that. When you
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may like gartering like he has afew like keys and you give me a
shoe. Do you know what Imean? Take? Okay? Do you
get life and trends? No?Just trend No. I think he has
a policy through his work if hegets hurt about the job. Well that
we don't have life insurance policies,any raise investments or anything like that.
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Amber and Trenton lived paycheck to paychecklike most young couples these days. She
claimed she didn't know much about hisfinances. Any psychological trend uh d houseling
psychologists moved counseling in college a littlebit, just lit onely in ms ink
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and and University Anderson, India.What you study, well, I only
went for one year. I studiedcriminal justice and psychology. But Amber didn't
finish her degree. She partied toomuch and was just using college as a
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way to free herself from her parents. There's a lot of that. If
you're a senior in college and haven'tfigured out what you want to do for
the rest of your life, thenmaybe you're one of these people. So
Amber dropped out and she went home. You know, I've known Trent for
a long time. We went ona blind day ten years ago, and
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I chased that boy and chase thatboy, and you know, he just
didn't want anything to do with me, and you know, we were the
greatest friends. But then I decidedto go off and get engaged to somebody
else, and all of a suddenhe was interested in me, you know,
so and then at that point,you know, he wasn't. He
wasn't at a point in his lifethat was okay with me. Like,
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you know, I drank a lot, and he constantly called me for rides
home from the bar because he couldn'tdrive, or because he was going home
with a nasty bartender. You know. So that was our relationship for the
first four years of human and itwas fine. And then Marshall came along,
and you know, he loves kids, like there's nothing in this world
that Trent ever wanted more than tobe a dad. Like he just always
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went a house for the kids.And actually we just talked about it two
days ago when his niece was born. How I shouldn't got my tube's died
because he left once and you know, once he started hanging around when Marshall
was born, you know, werealized that we know each other better than
most married couples to each other becausewe were best friends, and you know,
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we tried to date, and thenthe stuff happened in Marshall, and
you know, it was just toomuch stressed for me, like trying to
deal with a dying child who Iwas pregnant. But then after Christen was
born, you know, we figuredit out that they didn't start in the
most conventional way. Trent didn't andAmber grew together and made a little family
that they were proud of. Youknow. The first Probaut year was a
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struggle, you know, trying tofigure out how to deal with each other
because you know, he came fromliving at his parents' house until he lived
on his own with me, soyou know, he was messy and inconsiderate
and drove me nuts, you know, and I was bossy and they drove
him nuts. So you know,once we figured out the dance of how
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to live with another human being,you know, then it was great.
But Marshall was a sick kid.He had a heart transplant at age one,
and then the poor boy had tobattle cancer. His medical issues were
a huge strain on the family andwere something that would always be at the
forefront of Amber and Trenton's minds.Even now we have to take off at
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home, so Marshall get sick,we've got to go, it would say
it or you know, and thenwe've got to find someone to take herson.
You know, like that's hard enoughto find someone taking one camp let
alone too. You know. Medicalbills piled up as the couple had to
invest in medicine and care, soAmber took to the local media to spread
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the word and fundraise money to payfor her son's treatments. The media coverage
worked, and the couple were ableto pay for Marshall's medical bills with kindness
from strangers. They received Make aWish trips and other forms of charity to
help Marshall live an exceptional life.But it was all experimental medicine, so
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it was you know, everything hadto be paid for by us. You
know, insurance companies don't want tofoot a bill that is an FDA approved.
But it had been hours since Amberhad found out that Trenton was dead,
and now that she had calmed downa bit, they had to ask
a couple of tough questions because youguys just said that it's dead, and
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it was a home side between somebodyelse did it, and the only thing
I can think about is how it'sjust to live my life without him.
Oh my good sister's few. Iimagine if you said this, somebody got
into the safe, then they tooktheir money, you know which, whatever.
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But I don't know why anybody wouldhurt trent because if they needed the
money that I've had, you're justgetting to them. Amber and Trenton had
a safe with about eight hundred dollarsin it and some guns in the house,
but nothing was touched. And itsounds like this, you know,
offense or something like this. Youalways look first inside out. Okay.
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What that means is his circle friends, his circle family is We're going to
do a full it's called victimology,a full victimilic. We know everything we
want to know about turn okay,and that's what I'm asking you for.
So you said the cases using insideouts, So you look at families first,
okay, and you eliminate you justkeep working your way out, right,
you understand that, okay. So, and I'm lying to if I
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didn't tell you that, you know, we do have to look at you,
Okay. Everybody's a suspect. Right, I'm gonna ask you had any
part or just play any part whatsoeverin trying this step. It's your job
inside. Okay. So let's say, let's say our first level. So
we know that the kids didn't doit right, okay, and you're saying
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that you had so that one washer nice love? Well does he hang
out with anybody ones? Amber continuedto sniffle and cry as she recounted all
the happy days she had with trentonthe little things about their relationship, like
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how he would call her bossy,or that she was always running a little
late for work and she'd make hiscoffee and lay out his uniform. Happy
little memories float out of her betweenthe tears. Then the detectives honed in,
did are you curious? So there'sseveral different ways that I was like
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to Kirk, correct, would youagree? So? So he was shot,
but it appears that he was sleepingor this heard so this means it
just looks it a little bit hot. Okay, do you see what I'm
saying? So let's break down everything, all right, So I gotta,
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I gotta, I gotta look this, look at this one in Texas way,
Okay, Well, broad dahead hoopsthe middle door. Right, there's
a truck parked in the driveway.Okay, the door's opens, right,
and then all of a sudden aperson is shot in his sleeps say something
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on to anybody killing another persons onto me? Sure it didn't happen sometimes
not around here? Well, right, I understand that, but it does
have some But I'm saying, youtake all those variables and put them intal
into the basket. You look atit some kind of odd, right,
because I think, how then wouldsomebody know that you're not there? How
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would they know that nobody can?Would may have a Trump Park players,
you have to assume that somebody's there, right, So I guess what I'm
trying to say is that it's youknow, there's there's several things that can
happen or something like this. Okay. One is that you could have done
it, right, I'm just sayingyou could have paid to have somebody to
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do it for you. I'm justjust I'm just talking these are variables that
we have to look at, okay, or it's just some random random chance
to act that this occurred, andup here with something like this, it's
just not random. So there's there'sgot to be a reason, okay,
and you know, so let's let'sdive into reasons. Reasons would be a
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drug deals on bad. Somebody ownssomebody a lot of money and they're not
paying it. Right. Is thereanybody in your family, anybody that trembles
money to the you don't know aboutit. I need to know any dark
secret that you or him may have. I don't know, I mean the
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dark secrets. We don't have any. Okay. So Amber swore there were
no secrets, nothing hidden beneath thesurface. But the detectives knew more.
Sorry little testing ask the same question, okay, would you want to say
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you want? And how do youthink you were doing that test? I
think iming to just fine. Iwas with my kids. I mean,
I've never heard trim have cancers.Question. And with that the detective left.
Amber sat quietly, sniffling and huggingherself in her winter coat. Minutes
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past and then the detective came back. You know, we had two,
possibly three witnesses now and didn't Isee anybody going to to that house or
any car into that driveway? Idon't know what tell you? I mean,
how can we explain that. ButI mean, I'm just telling you
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we have two possibly three saying no, we didn't see any cargoing to that
drive or anybody go into that house. I don't know how to explain that,
right, So who can possibly dothis? No idea. Things were
not looking so good for Amber.Yes, she had an alibi that checked
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out, going to the drug store, dropping her child off at school,
going to her stepsister's house, andthen back home. But no one had
seen a single car or person gointo the house. But day Trenton was
murdered, Amber said the couple hadno secrets, but that just wasn't true
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months ago. There's me tell meabout that. What happened there? I
don't know. I guess we gotwind other payments and we had worked out
an arrangement to pay them. Butthey report it anyway, and I decided
to be ternatic and say that Iwas gonna kill myself over it, just
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because Marshall had to get to thedoctor. And it was quite the situation.
I felt like a dumb mass afterwards, but it was what it was.
So they took the car and wegot the car back. So okay,
well we start killing your stuff.What were you doing maybe? How
was it? Did you a gun? Yeah, there was a gun in
the house, but there's a lotI know, I'm tends to big hunter.
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I don't hunt so Okay. Actuallytaught me how to shoot before ten
the other day the little one thathe had shoated and that was exciting for
me. Amber's car had been repossessedbecause a couple had fallen behind on payments.
Then there was another money issue thatthe police just couldn't ignore. The
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just recently without text me why directlyto the storms that would it was cash?
I don't understand that right levering storeone took care you. Not only
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had Amber written bad checks and hadher car repossessed, but she had been
aggressively flirting with other men on Facebook. How well do you know Ryan Hunter?
N Are used to read them.I used to work with him a
walnut Okay. I loved you knowshe did. I didn't work there.
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Okay. And what was the lasttime you contested them? Turn and I
saw the other day going into servicethree works but we went seeing them to
him, I talked to him.Marshall was hospitalized and I talked to him.
Then that was two thousand. Itwas the last time him we talked
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on Facebook. Maybe it was twentytelve, I don't know. It was
a couple of years ago when itwas my marshal I was hospitalized. All
right, well it was actually itwas sixty eight months ago. Yeah,
you're specifically asking the spot excuse me, and we have those six months ago.
That's correct, And actually in thosemessages had expressed the fact that that's
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just something you do, maybe forin the process of getting those he read
them off to me last night andtwo in the morning. Was anyone else
really stunned by the detective saying askinghim to fuck? That was quite a
shocker. Amber was looking worse andworse. Then they told her that if
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her DNA just happened to be onany of the bullets, she would be
in big trouble. When I'm askingyou said the question, all right,
hey, there may be a lotof excuse me, a lot of twenty
two shells in your house, allright, but is that twenty two shells
the one that we had? Okay, potentially, as he's singing in DNA
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on that shell exactly to come backto you, you better be absolutely certainly,
because I'm telling you right now,but what you're seeing is not necessarily
true. Okay, Okay, SoI mean is there I just need a
way to explain away that I canexplain it for you. Well, why
is that my answer? Yeah,what I'm saying. What I'm saying is
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I did not shoot. Try sobased on what we am when we talk
about your cell phone, when wetalk about eyewitnesses, all right, and
we're talking about true evidence. Basedon that, I'm telling you there's no
doubt whatsoever that you're involved in this, no doubt. There are two reasons.
And I tried to explain that alittle bit too yesterday about it being
two reasons. One it's a personthat is just caught in the middle of
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something that did something that's not supposedto that they would not normally do and
just snapped, okay, or aperson who's just simply psychiatic. Okay,
all right. So when we talkabout this, when we talk about this,
we're talking about something that are twototally different people, right, and
now we're trying to understand it.Right Who you are? All right?
I tell you in a situation andI'm telling you right now that the evidence
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for here is not is not goingaway it's only getting stronger. All right.
Did you have anything to do withthis? All right? Did you
have any knowledge that this was occurring? Okay? And I'm telling you right
now that that's not true. Amberwas adamant about the details of her whereabouts
that day and that she had nothingto do with the crime. But the
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evidence was stacking up against her.You see. Not only had her car
been repoded and she was writing badchecks, but Amber had started to gamble.
At first. She and Trenton wouldgo to the casino together Amber one
big one evening and thought that washer ticket to financial freedom. Of course,
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if you have more than three braincells, you know that's a really
dumb thing to think. But Amberthought it, and she kept going.
She hit the casino alone, andwhen she wasn't there, she'd be gambling
on her phone at night. Bythe time Trenton was dead, she'd racked
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up twenty five thousand dollars in gamblingdebt, all in her husband's name.
As the police continued digging in,they found out that the couple's house was
about to be foreclosed. Amber hadbeen taking out payday loans with a three
hundred percent interest rate. They wereswimming in debt, but it was all
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falling under Trenton, under his name, under his credit. The debts were
all in his name, but Amberwas the one who kept mounting it on
with her gambling. The police lether go. They didn't have enough to
arrest her, at least not yet, but they were looking into her.
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She was the closest to Trenton,the only one in his life who had
a reason to need him gone.But then again, without him, her
children had no father, and shehad no support system or family. There
was no life insurance or cash outon either. Would she really have done
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this to the love of her life. As the weeks passed and the snow
started to melt, Amber's stepsister foundsomething in her driveway that would seal Amber's
fate. Twenty eight year old AmberSmith had come home to find her house
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ransacked and her fiance shot in theback of the head while sleeping. At
first, the police felt bad forAmber, but as they began their investigation,
her entire story seemed suspicious and theythought that Amber was involved. Not
only was nothing of value stolen fromthe home, but Amber and Trenton were
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having major money troubles, and thatalways spells bigger problems. Amber had become
addicted to gambling and had racked upalmost twenty five thousand dollars in debt,
and their finances were buckling beneath them. Bad checks, high interest payday loans,
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and foreclosures were mounting. However,Amber was the one handling the finances,
someone who should have never touched thefinances to begin with. Besides Trenton
being the breadwinner and everything being inhis name, Amber was in charge of
the spending. She was good atit, so the cops were on to
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Amber. Her story was sketchy andshe'd lied about their money issues. She
cried during her interviews, but thesniffles were empty. Still, without DNA
evidence or a confession, they couldn'tarrest Amber, so she was released.
March turned to April, and heavysnowbanks began to slowly melt. That's when
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Amber's stepsister walked outside and saw somethingodd in her driveway. It was a
long brown thing in the snow.She got closer and noticed it's a gun,
the kind Trenton had been murdered with. Remember Amber had said that she
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stopped by her sister's house on theday Trenton was killed, so her step
sister called the police and they mikedher up and had her call Amber.
Oh hey, where you are?Okay, I need to talk to you
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like it's really important and I needto talk to you. Okay, where
are you? I need to talkto you? O my pone or yea.
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I went up to Mike's house andwhen I was leaving there, I
noticed something in a stomach. Andwhen I and I no I played very
yesterday, I was gonna stop atmyself three and talk to it. You
put the gun in the yard.I just I just thought it because I
wanted something for all protection. Sure, Oh I wanted to say something,
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No I did. I tried tocall you twice three times yesterday. Can
I tried to call my cell phoneshere twice? Oh god, no,
I mean I tried to call becausethis here's the ship out of all No.
No, no, I understand that. And I tried to call you
this morning too. I was tryingto say artund so longford, waiting to
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get hold of you so I couldget home. I'm not the eye on
waiel. Okay. Well, Iwas just thinked out because it looked all
to do with it. I didn'ttouch it. Okay, are you kidding
me? I didn't know. Imean it looks I like to look,
it's like a lot like the gunthat they had a picture of that they
said told you they said there wasa gun, missy. And I will
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just shake, you know, freakdright out. Oh no, I try
to get a hold of you.Gotta say, I think the stepsister is
doing an excellent job here on thiscall. It's very believable. It's okay,
it just you know, it justfreaks me out. I mean it
just it looks like it's been therea while, and you know, I
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don't I just my right brain isjust dranger right now. It's just like
I said, it's just to findit there and it looks like it's you
know, just the snowe halted orsomething. I just sheer being like,
all right, I mean I didn'tknow, you know, so many time
to me up. What's going on? You know? Oh gosh, no,
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you're a boy. Bring all along. You're well if you could go
like right to like and get it, because it just gotta get out of
there. No, I agree,all right, you're headings, Yeah,
okay, thank you. Amber saidshe'd be right over and the police were
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waiting at her stepsister's house, stickingout the scene to see if she grabbed
the gun just in time. Sherolled up in her Chevy Malibu, but
the cops had already taken the weaponout of the snow and into their possession.
Exees, I'm recordings coming back toher car. The police watched as
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Amber shuffled around the snow bank lookingfor the gun. She hadn't in her
car. Yep, she is go, go, go go. Then Amber
called her stepsister back and tried tomake up a story as to why the
gun was no longer there. Listencarefully well less understood what he said to
me, I would buying a gunfrom a person named Snow and asked them
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to meet me at myself. Definitelysomething to start my gun in your bank?
So you were going to meet somebodyat Mike's house to buy it?
Well, and if what I saidtoday instead of yesterday, I respected,
I get ahold of Mike because Ifigured that way, I wasn't all alone.
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I I just I am. Ijust don't I am so I don't
even don't think right now, Ijust I don't know. I just feel
like I'm just in such a shittyposition. I'm pissed. I I just
don't I just don't get this.Absolutely, I just don't get this.
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Saw I don't either. I Embertried to say she was meeting a guy
named Snow to buy a gun topreten not that she left it in the
snowbank. Okay, Amber, whateveryou say. I love you, but
I mean, did you you didn'tdo this? Did you? Glue Burgan?
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I said, I love you,but you didn't do this? Did
you? Are? Well? Imean, I don't you got a dog
where I'm coming from here? Thisis just scary as ship and I I
just I'm just falling party. Ijust don't understand all this. I don't
know stand anywhere. But no,I'm gonna do it. Okay, Well,
(50:37):
I'm gonna go try and pull myselftogether. But I just I just
needed to talk to you, soI know, I don't know. I
guess hopefully we'll get some answers here. So so that would be the hope.
When the police directly confronted Amber aboutthe gun in the driveway, the
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walls began to close in on her. Would your sister tell you about the
gun on the driveway? Anything?So you don't have any idea because it
appears to maybe the same gun thatwe're looking for. That's what she told
me. It's interesting that I endup in your sister's driveway. Interesting,
(51:27):
don't you think we I think weprobably need to talk about this a little
bit. Don't you remember what Itold you before last time, when we
when we ended our conversation about thetruth and how the truth is always going
to come back and we're going tofigure it out. Yes, well,
this is the point right now,your story start. Okay. We've told
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enough things that are path truths,untrue and just flat out lies at this
point that they're all coming back tobite you. I didn't do anything,
Well, it's not. It's notworking out that way, Amber, and
you can you can continue to denythat, but that we know that's not
the truth. We've now collected themurder weapon that killed your fiance out of
your sister's driveway. Okay, andthat where do you think that is?
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Right now? I have no idea. That's at the labby and process for
a lot of different things, alot of different trace evidence stuff. Okay,
it's all going to come back toyou. It's all already coming back
to your story that you told usis falling apart in the midst of all
this that's coming apart. I toldyou that's what's going to happen. Did
I not? I did? Amberhad painted herself into a corner, and
(52:37):
she had no more lies on hersleeve, no more sob stories to throw
out, no more ways to makeherself the victim. The gun was being
processed, she was toast gigs up. We don't We're not looking for anybody
else. We've found our person,and here she is. And we've given
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you the opportunity to tell the truthagain and again and again, and you
refuse to do so because you're onlythinking of yourself. You're not thinking of
those kids. There two things thatmean the most humless life. You're not
thinking about You're only thinking about you. I'm trying to think about them.
There were no other tire tracks inher driveway. They connected Amber to the
(53:24):
murder weapon. The hard evidence wassmacking Amber right in the face, and
yet she did not crack. Isthis what we're gonna do all day?
We're not going away, I justsaid. But again, they still couldn't
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arrest her without the lab results.If Amber's prints were on the bullet or
the gun. That's it. She'dbe done for game over. The police
were so close, so they broughther in one more time, and like
a good, bold faced psychopathic liar, she showed up and took the emotional
(54:09):
battery. You hold the explanation asto why. Yeah, I guess that's
your opinion. It's not an opinion, it's fact. Disappointed. In fact,
the gun, the bullet that wasentrench head belong to that gun.
That casing that we found the housebelongs to that gun. You were positioned,
that guy. You took a pictureon your phone with that gun,
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and you the gun in the snowback. It doesn't get any more crew than
that. Not do just getting anymore. Cree that right now. Amber,
You're just a cold blot of killer, that's what you are. Who
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shot her fiance Innesley never saw it. Come say who we are? So
what are you? We know you'renot just agrieving fiance, are you?
That's not what you are? Idescribed the essentially from telling you a movie
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on there read everyone thought Amber didit. Everyone, the cops, me,
you listening at home, even Trenton'smother who had loved Amber like a
daughter. There was absolutely no otherexplanation. The theory was that Amber got
(55:37):
up that morning, packed her kidsin the car, and then ran inside
and shot Trenton while he slept.Then she took the gun with her on
her errands to create an alibi,and in the end dropped the weapon in
the snowbank at her sister's house,knowing it would be concealed for at least
(55:59):
a month in the cold. Asfor the why, all the debts were
in Trenton's name and the couple wasn'tmarried yet. If she killed them,
then the debt would also die.That's the thinking inside her noodle. That's
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how simple it is. That's howdumb it is. Criminals are not smart
guys. In her mind, shethought she'd end up as a grieving widow,
able to fundraise her way out ofdebt with her newfound misery. Victimhood
these days pays a premium. Afterall. The plan was pretty solid actually,
(56:43):
as long as Amber stuck to herstory. But the bullets matched the
gun and she was busted with science. Amber went a trial for Trenton's murder
in October of twenty fourteen. Shewas arrested in the spring of twenty fourteen,
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and by the fall she was facingthe courtroom and the jury. Amber
sat sadly in her pink t shirt, barely looking up. During the trial,
it was hard to know what shewas thinking, so she had no
expression on her sullen face. Asthe litigators went over every one of her
missteps in great detail, showing thevideo of her digging for the gun in
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the snowbank. It took the juryless than an hour to find her guilty
of premeditated first degree murder. Amberwill be in prison for the rest of
her life without the possibility of parole. The entire time that Amber was grilled
(58:17):
by police, they kept telling herto think of her family, think of
her sons, think of anyone exceptyourself. Amber. Amber's very sick child
had been through enough in his shortlife. He had battled cancer and a
heart transplant, and now his fatherwas dead and his mother was going to
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prison. When Amber was doing hermedia circuit to raise money for Marshall's treatments,
she said something almost psychic about thestrength of her boy. Maybe he
was put here to teach the worlda lesson that, you know, if
he can go through all of thisand be happy then what are we all
complaining about. We don't know ifMarshall is happy, or his brother for
(59:07):
that matter, but we do knowthat they have the love and support of
Trenton's family to keep them thriving.As if Marshall hadn't been through enough,
his own mother, the woman whowas supposed to protect him from harm and
love him forever, cast the greatestdarkness onto her own child instead. Ember
(59:31):
is a cold hearted killer, andshe is right where she belongs for eternity.
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going on? Are you taking tiersaway from five dollars tiers subscribers? Because
I noticed there was a lot ofshows that you are having on there,
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but they're not on the regular tierfeed. So what's going on? I'm
just trying to I mean, what'sgoing on? I mean, what's going
on? Why do I need topay more money to get more stories?
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I think you should just focus onplus and regular sort of scale and stop
trying to do sort of scale nightmaresort and scale monstro I mean it's too
much. I really honestly think I'vebeen following you for years. Honestly,
you do these things, and youdo them until you don't, and then
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there's value and there's no consistency.So just handle that. Thank you,
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