Episode 163

Should you adopt? This episode will help you make that important decision.

Episode Transcript

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Welcome to Sword and Scale Rewind withyour hosts Matt Fondelier and Ian Bag.

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Hey, what's up, everybody,We're back with another episode of Sword in
Scale Rewind. Just mixing up theseintros every time. I don't even know
what I'm gonna say. My nameis Matt Fondelier. I'm one of the
hosts of the show, joined onceagain by the co host of Enjoying Orange
Slices with Jeff and Ian You know, if he likes orange slices, he's
gonna be ready to talk about murder. Those things just go hand in hand.

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Iatan Bag, welcome back. Hey, yeah, that's the Italian show.
Hey yeah, yeah, it's anItalian family that gets involved in this
one. That's maybe that's why Iwas possessed by the spirits of the Cypriani
family. That is Italian, right, I'm guessing that's hope, So maybe

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check they might be check. No, I think it's Italian. D What
do you do do the murder?Well, they're not Canadian, so you're
off the hook for this. Iknow. My god. Last last week
was very My family called me up. They're like, yeah, can you
tell them not to do any more? Canadian murders. People starting to write
us letters. I'm like, sorry, mom, I can't. We have
to talk about the murder. Wehave to talk about the murder. YEP,

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that's what we do on the show. By the way, we talk
about the murder that was told toyou in great detail on an episode of
Sword and Scale, in this caseepisode one sixty three. That's what we're
going to be focusing on. Sixtythree episodes. That's pretty crazy. Yeah,
episodes and still going strong. Ithink on the main feed as you're
listening to this, they're well passedtwo hundred. Yeah. I can't even

(02:07):
say how many there are. That'show many. And that's just on the
main feed. There's over a hundredon the Plus feed. Now I know
what's the Plus above. I wasgonna say, a couple weeks ago,
I told you guys about the DellaMillard two parter and that you had to
subscribe to Plus if you want tohear a part two. So obviously you've
all already done that. Sell involvedask as or grass people, nobody were

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ads are free. That's right.There are over one hundred more episodes on
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caught up on the show and youwant to hear one hundred, literally one
hundred more stories that you've never heardbefore, one hundred more people were murdered

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that you didn't even know about it. And if people are like, if
you're thinking, where's where's Michael Boudettoday? Why isn't he on the show?
It's because he's got that many episodesto put out. He just can't
join us every time. Yeah,it's a treat when he drops by to
do the show. It's going tohero again, but it's a treat.
It's a treat when he drops by. And when I say, it's fun
when he doesn't because we get tobe more relaxed because he could fire us

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at any time. But you're assuminghe doesn't listen to this and he's hearing
the ones that were that he's noton. Mike, I will not bring
up the fact you only have onetesticle again. We'll hopefully have Mike be
day on soon, but in themeantime, we mess him we shall,
Mike, we shall continue keep workinghard. Mike, You and the cats.

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Let's talk about the cats and theducks. Don't forget the ducks.
Support cats and the ducks and thesill of the moon. Let's go.
We're already off the rails. We'vebarely even started yet even mentioned. If
this is your first time listening tothe show, you might know that.
Yeah, first of all, weapologize, and second of all, this

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is the after show. We're justtalking about our reactions. If you really
want to hear the facts of thecase, just re listen to the original
sword in scale. And if youwant to hear our take on all these
crazy people, well that's what thisshow. We try to work some things
out that we did did not understandon the show. We we we judge
the people that were involved. Ye, we don't judge the victim unless you're

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I try not to, but wejust we just have a nice conversation,
a nice conversation about murder. Wellit's funny that you say that, because
the top of this episode, inMike's opening narration, he talks about how
this story is like it's beautiful,it's a beautiful ending, And I just
thought there's no beautiful episode. Notbeautiful. He's terrible. He's painting a
weird picture. Um, you knowwhat's weird about this is my wife and

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I have actually talked recently about adoptinga child. Oh really yes, so
yeah, so you got book.Let's hear about it. It's not happening
now after hearing this one, I'lltell you that much. You're yeah,
she was really pushing for it,and you were like, let me just
show you that this is one sixtythree here. May not want to do
that. We can't afford it.We can't afford to be murdered. This

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really is the like nightmare horror movieadoption story. Like this is the reason
that you don't do it, likeit's so bizarre. I mean, I
know I watch a lot more horrormovies than you do, because you don't
like watching horror movies. But there'sa movie called Orphin. Hear her to
Orphan. I know I haven't wantsaid about that. They adopt this little
girl and then people start getting murderedand then spoiler, big spoiler. If

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you've never seen Orphan, stop listeningright now. But if you don't care,
the little girl turns out she's actuallyan older woman who has no weird
physical thing that makes her look likea little girl, but she's in fact
like an assassin. There's been acouple of those happened recently. Not murder,
but there was a lady that wasgoing to school. She had that

(05:55):
disease where she looked younger. She'sthirty six or something. She was going
to a like grade nine or somethinglike that. Yeah. Well, they
try to make a movie with RobinWilliams many years ago called Jack, which
was about that same thing. He'slike a or maybe that was the reverse
one. He's a little boy wholooked like an old man. Remember that
one? Remember that it was reallybad? I want to know that.
Apparently there's there's a movie and Ican't remember who it is, but he

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plays a midget. Do you knowwho I'm talking about? You're talking about
Gary Oldman. Yes, a moviecalled Tiptoes. The trailer is a hilarious
viral video. Really yeah, Ohyeah it's Did the movie come out?
Oh yeah, it's a real movie. Is it? Is it like a
cult hit like that? I've justnever heard of. I gotta find it.
Yeah, I wonder if Netflix hasit. I'm not on Netflix,

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but you could find it if youif you look hard enough. They protest
a lot of things to Netflix.All their little employees would be walking out.
But let's let's talk about let's moveon's quickly quickly moved from that.
I want to hear more about thisadoption thing though. So you guys were
just interested in adopting a child,just like No, we just talked about

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No, we just talked about alittle bit because you know, oh,
I, we're at a certain agewhere you go, you make a decision
where we're going to have children?Do we do? We do we adopt
a child that needs to be adopted? U My word. My wife is
an occupational in occupational therapy, soshe deals with kids all the time.
So I'm guessing that has not madeher biological clock go crazy. Sure,

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And she also, you know,she works with kids that have difficulties,
so she doesn't see a lot ofnormal kids. And then she comes home
to me and now she doesn't wantto breathe with this. Yea, she
does not want this is the endof the line of this. So so
you know, and and then andthen everything that's going on, well,
children be able to breathe anymore.It's true, so an odd time.

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And then and then you go,well, do we want to have kids?
Well, if maybe we have kids, they are already out there and
help them become great people. Andthen and then there's this story and you're
like, yeah, my wife andI have talked about that as well,
the idea of adopting kids. AndI said that both of us, in
our jobs, we tend to cleanup other people's messes. That's a lot.

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Now in this case, I'm notliterally talking about cleaning up Adam Crowl's
poop or anything like that. I'mgoing to get on the table and take
a shit. But you know,when you're running helping to run a business
every day, a lot of stuffcomes up and you are just constantly putting
out fire, so to speak.Right, And my wife does the same
thing with her job, and soI felt like, you know what,
adopting a kid is kind of likehelping clean up somebody else, somebody else's

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mess. Yeah, you know,And it's a weird way to look at
it, but that was the thingthat I felt like, Well, we
would be natural at this because we'reused to having to deal with a situation
that may not be ideal and tryto like create the best thing you can
from it. So I think anybodywho adopts it's very notable of them.
I think, I think like incredible. I think the big thing is that

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I always hear from friends that havebeen adopted, did and stuff like you
always you always, they always,no matter what how great their family is,
they always want to know why theother people didn't want Yeah, and
that's hard. I had that tosomebody, but they don't know who you
are, they don't know. Theydidn't not want you. Yeah, they

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didn't. They didn't want the situation. And I don't know how you get
that to a person's mind. Yeahyou know, because how do you tell
that to like a five year old? Yeah you know, you know why
didn't they want me? Then?I don't want you. That didn't they
didn't want to be parents. Theydidn't they didn't want you. They didn't
even fucking know you. Okay,little shit, no good back upstairs.
I don't want you because of you, But I can't give you back because

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we signed the papers that made thatmight have been if that had been said
to this kid, maybe and thenhe would be normal because he was turned
out nobody wanted him because he wasa piece of shit. He was.
Yeah, Now there's also this sortof added weird. I don't know if

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it's weird, just the added Uh, I'll just call it like a level
of confusion. Also not the rightphrase. I'm I'm having a hard time
finding the words for it. Butthis idea that they adopted the kid and
then they went on to have biologicalchildren, I excuse me, so so
in that and I listened to ita couple of times. They didn't think

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they were able to have children,right, That's what I gathered. Okay,
that's sort of what I thought.And then you know, things,
things happen and suddenly you can havekids, right, Um, And so
the the sort of like am Ipart of this family? You know?
These aren't my real brothers? Likeall of that starts to creep into this

(10:43):
guy's mind and he starts to sortof isolate himself from the family. I
mean, I know he's having somedoesn't seeminal issues too, but it doesn't
ever seem like the family does itto him? No, But you know,
they they put in the episode thatyou know, he was five foot

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seven and his twin brothers were likethe six foot one athletes, and they
don't necessarily need to be like jockbullies to their adopted brother to not have
the adopted brother like literally looking upat these star athletes and not seeing himself
in there. But that happens infamilies that are are all like DNA swapped.

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Yeah, it's it's it happens.You know, sometimes you have a
younger brother that's bigger than you.Right, I wouldn't know because I come
from a fantastic family where I wasthe best one. I forgot how many
brothers sisters do you? I justhave a sister. She's younger. I
usually tell people I'm an only child, but it's nice. That pisses off

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my sister. Yeah, how manyyears between you and your sister? Five?
No, my sister and I areabout five years abart. Are you
guys closed? Yeah? Yeah,definitely. I was just cat sitting for
her. I was telling you acouple weeks ago, crazy fucking cat.
I had to deal with you,poor man. You're such a You're such
a good person. You know whatyou want to have. I always use
my sister. She used to havea cat and as her Lesbiana. Um,

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all right, so this part Ithought it was interesting. You tell
me if your brain went here aswell. So they get this adopted kid
and they name him Tanner. Thenthey have twin boys and they name him
Tucker. And my guess is theywould have named him Tucker and Tanner,
but because they already had a Tanner, they had to change the other twins

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name. So now it's Tucker andSam I don't know, or Salvator Salvatory
which has a t in it?Right? I just again in my never
ending quest to uh, to fuckingblame victims and whatnot? Right, you
can't name your kids questions to blamevictim, you know, Tucker and Tanner.

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I'm surprised the little girl's name isn'tTammy. It's too much, just
too much for anyone to take.Well. I went the other way.
I was like, why is theone kid Salve Tory? Like, why
is the one kid got all theItalian in them and the other one?
The other ones are Whitey McGee andWhitey magoo. You know, So that's
why I would are you one theother way? You're like, shut up
your weirdos. My friends have aTucker in a Tanner. Yeah. Oh,

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reality Yeah, they've got five boys. Toby, No, Tucker,
Toby. Uh. And that's anotherThere's there's four of them. There's another
one. You know, if yougo to West Hollywood, you can get
a Tucker in a Tanner anytime youwon. And it depends the further you
go down the street. It mightyou might be thinking, might getting me
from one's a different person, Itmight not be the same Sextually, I

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think you're getting it from all right. So this episode in my brain from
my memories of listening to it whenit was first released many many years ago,
this isn't one of yours, it'snot one of mine. Um,
but this, in my brain wasthe episode with the craziest nine one one
call of t There were parts ofthis story Papa be live today if that

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woman wasn't on that. Yes,it is one of the most infuriating and
also intense nine one one calls toever come out of Sword and Scale.
Again, I did not remember thisentire episode, but as soon as it
started, I was like, oh, this is the one with that crazy
nine one one call. She washorrible, where you got the twin brother

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hiding in the closet trying to beas quiet as possible, because the killers
are still in the house. Andyes, now I did in the house.
I've of course had to pull multipleI can't understand you. I had
a house this horrible woman. Um, do you mind if we start playing
some of these and kind of picksome of them. Let's let's let's let's

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let's let's start where she should befired? Well, why her answering?
Here's one. This happens a littlebit later. But I would argue that
this might be the moment of themost of her inability to do her job
properly. I thought they must havecalled at five fifty five and she got

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off at six. That it makessense. It was. It was so
bad. So here's the horrible advicethat Suzanne, can you take one more
call? Wow? Fuck? What'sthe worst that could happen? Right?
All right? So here's this nineone one woman's terrible advice to this poor
kid. Okay, what is yourbrother's name? What great? They'll be

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last ballot? Huh uh huh Okay, And you don't want to go out
and make sure your parents are okay? Noo, okay, sure, no,
I mean, can you hear anything? I mean, Okay, what
did they do it. They're justtalking now, so it okay. Her

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advice for him to go outside andcheck to see if the parents are okay.
She's just not getting this at all. Well even worse, when't go,
he goes, should I? No? Yeah? No, dummy?
Would you who so weird? Sothat happens A spell your name like I'm

(16:18):
in the middle of being murdered?Could you do me a favorite? Can
you check your Social Security number inyour last name? Like? Well?
And what what happens earlier in thecall? I know I should have played
the earlier clip first, that wouldhave made more sense, But I'm gonna
play that one now instead, whichis you can hear this pandemonium happening in
the background, like she should immediatelyhave her ears perked up and know that

(16:42):
some crazy shit is going down onthe other side of that line. Can
I go back a little further?Yeah, when she says, what's your
address? What I need your address? Um, that's because he was on
a cell phone, right, Yeah, so didn't they change that? Um?
So your cell phone reads the numberthe address reads on a nine one

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one call. Now interesting like ageolocation sounds I hope so because I felt
like that slowed down the situation aswell, and then she was mad at
his service, right are you onat and T Well this I'm want to
play this clip right here. Thisis great because she called or he called

(17:25):
the nine one one, and thenI guess his cell signal dropped or his
phone died or something. And thenshe calls him back, but he has
one of those quote unquote funny answeringmachines where I don't know if you ever
did this, but when I wasfifteen years old and got like a phone
for the first time, my voicemailis me going hello, uh huh.

(17:49):
Actually you're talking to my voicemail rightnow. Now. I don't know if
you picked up up on this,but that's what happens in this episode.
I'm gonna play this right. Icould not pick up on that. Check
this out. She is now goingto call him back, and it's going
to go to his voicemail, buthis voicemail is him going yeah, uh
huh, okay, just leave amessage, and then she fucking hangs up

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the phone and then there's another callback. All right, listen for that.
Here we go hello hello, Allright, Now she's gonna call him
back Hello, So nine one oneout, braider, do you need help?
Good? Hurting me? I can'tunderstand you. Do you need help?

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Don't hang out a tone? Pleaserecord your mething. So she was
listening, So now she hangs up, and now she's gonna call back,
and now you're gonna hear her.Well, I look back five zero too?
What did he heard you? In? Hello? Going on there?

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Do you hear what I'm talking about? Now? It's sucking of all of
the voicemails to get because you canhear when it's crazy when it's actually him
on the phone. But that I'mtelling you, that is him going uh
huh yeah, just leave a message, and then it goes to the voicemail.
That's fine, that's funny, that'sreally funny. But that when she
calls back and she's mad at him, Yeah, that's going on there.

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I mean, excuse me, sir, this is nine one one. We
take things very seriously. Do youknow what she what she punished? She
was not. They said something thatshe filed the call as a like family
domestic, domestic disturbance or something likethat. But no, as far as
I know, she's not in trouble. She should have been punished for that,

(19:57):
like, there there, that's athat's a bad nine one one operator.
Yeah. Now, tell me ifyou had this experience, because you've
said before that when you when we'relistening to these episodes, a lot of
times, you're just listening to itjust as any listener would. You don't
know the story or anything. Thatwas certainly the case for this episode.
For me the same thing. Iwas under the impression from the opening description

(20:19):
of the events that everybody died exceptfor the little girl and one of the
twin brothers. But as far asI could tell, everybody who was attacked
with a bat that night, meaningmeaning the father, the mother, and
the other twin brother, I thoughtall three of them had perished. And
then we find out that, youknow, two of them are may as

(20:40):
well be dead. They're so fuckedup now. But I don't know if
you had that, But I towardsthe end of the episode, I was
suddenly like, oh, wait Roseis still alive. I thought she very
confused. Every couple a couple oftimes there, I thought everyone was dead
except for the girl, and thenI was like, oh, the one
the one brother survived and not theother other brother, and the dad,

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but the mom had survived. Yeah, and then I was like, oh
mom and dad and the brother died. And then at the end and then
at the end it was mom andbrother were a mess. Yeah, Um,
dad was dead, daughter was notattacked, brother survived the attack quite
well. Yeah. So yeah,because that added for me, added to

(21:23):
the stress of that nine one onecall, was I had was thinking that
this was the brother, that maybehe he does get pulled out of the
closet or something, because this operatoris just being so loud that yeah,
I thought that was going to happen. Yeah. Yeah, they never found
him though they never there somehow neverfound him. Yeah. That but the
idea that they were And I dohave a third clip. We don't necessarily

(21:45):
need to play it, but mythird partnerature where they're okay, let's do
it. Let's we got time tokill um. This is speaking of killing
Ted. This is more than nineone one call where and this to me
is the scariest part. That's whyI pulled this clip because this is like
this early terrifying to me, whereyou can just hear his breathing, his
breathing, his voice shaking, andhe's like they're in the room right now.

(22:07):
I remember that, Like, justdo you hearing the you could hear
the fight or flight in him?Yeah? You didn't, you like yours?
Like is he gonna run out likethey're You're just like he's just gonna
run out of there trying to getout of there, which happens in a
lot of these stories. She wasn'tcalming him down at all. She was
she was just making the situation worse. Well, let's hear it. It's
a little bit long, but it'sreally just it's ninety five minutes. It

(22:30):
shows only fifty. Yeah, it'slonger than the rest of the episode.
We'll see you next week. No, it's not that long. But yeah,
let's all be scared together, holdme together. I let you know,

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Okay, let me know if policeyou've made contact with your parents,
who you feel sure enough to goout, but you think he's still in
the house. He didn't see you, okay, just came in his room.

(23:14):
But he's tiding so that he can'tsee him. Who was she talking
new? Okay? Yeah, whyisn't she putting yourself on mute? I
don't know, all right, Yeah, I don't know. He says he's
in a quiet room. I honestly, I'm not certain of this, but
I do wonder if it's just therecorded line from the nine one one operators,

(23:41):
because I've noticed in a lot ofepisodes and also my own research,
when you get nine one one calls, a lot of times you hear the
you hear what happens before the phone'seven answered. You'll hear like a voice
kind of as they take the call. You'll hear some chatter between officers that
they're going to transfer the line.So it's very possible that I would like,
I would like to hear what thecops were saying. It would have

(24:03):
been interesting to me, Yeah,like whether they were rushing to get there,
whether they're just taking their time,because well, she asked about there.
I think she says they're at thedoor, and he says, go
around to the back. The backslounlocked. They're so weird, you know.
I think they got there relatively quick. I mean he's on the phone
with her when they arrived quick enoughthough, like you were able to run

(24:25):
around the house and chase people andstuff like that. Yeah, Well it
doesn't help that they um, sorry, brain part, it doesn't help.
Yeah, that's it. Doesn't helpstopping right there, it doesn't help.
Yep. Uh the daughter, Sothe dad goes down to see what the
hell is going on. And bythe way, I love that they're like,
I think we can get three grand. Yeah, what a fucking plan.

(24:48):
That was just like you're you justthrew your life away for three grand.
Yep. He missed the parole,He missed his or not parole,
his like probation meeting. So thatguy, the probation officer, he got,
he got in trouble, he gottenpunished, right, yeah, because
once again he just didn't do hisjob. I would argue the operator,
while she's terrible at her job,she did what she was supposed to do.

(25:11):
She did patch through emergency dispatch orwhatever, like no officers came to
the scene. No, she wasbad at her job. She was at
a job No, I guess.So, I mean as opposed to her
just hanging up on the dude.Well, you can hear that. You've
heard there's been episodes of like nineone like call that just gets hung So

(25:32):
this guy though, I'll talk toa guy that orders a pizza all day,
but it won't take like, ohthat might be that might be in
trouble there. Yeah, but theprobation officer, he was straight up not
doing his job. He likes.Was he overwhelmed though, I couldn't tell
if he was overwhelmed with he hadso much going like so many cases.
I mean that one guy doesn't showone guy doesn't show up, You're like,
well, I can't I can't takemy day out of that, which

(25:53):
I think happens a lot in thatbusiness. It's just the idea of if
he didn't show up, you haveto go look for him, and if
he doesn't if you don't go lookfor him, then you have to like
file a piece of paperwork, likeyou have to just acknowledge that something happened
here. And this guy just didn'tdo any of that stuff. I know
a lot of people are bad attheir job. Yeah, that's that's one

(26:15):
thing that's I mean, he shouldbe ashamed and sadly, how many times
had he done that before nothing happened. Yeah, this is the story that
you hear about because it was sotragic. But I'm sure there's maybe instances
of even like a domestic assault orsomething that could have happened and been avoided
if he would just do his fuckingjob. Yeah, I don't. I

(26:36):
don't get it, Like it doesn'tseem like the kind of job you would
want to take unless you wanted tohelp people. Yeah, it's it's interesting
when you find people in those businessesthat are they don't have any care,
you know what, They don't havecompassion because it's it's not the reward is

(26:56):
doing your job. It's not afinancial rewarding job. Yeah, it's you
know, your your middle middle income, maybe even lower most times. You
know, maybe if you work enoughyou can become higher, higher middle income,
but yeah, why why of myaverage income? So middle income?

(27:17):
But if you're not, if you'renot getting the reward from doing your job
and you still stay there, that'swhen you become those a bitter asshole,
right yeah, or just you know, get a different job where if you
don't care about it, somebody doesn'tget their cheeseburger, you know, Like
why is it always like these justlazy people who are in such important positions,

(27:40):
Like that's what's so maddening about it. Yeah, going to going to
go into something there where it's notgoing to hurt somebody sell beds. Yeah,
um okay, so someone else aboutthis case that we have not really
brought up yet, which is thatTucker had a buddy helping him out,
and this piece of shit's name wasMitchell, and this we go back before
Mitchell. Sure, let's go back, you know, let's go back to

(28:02):
before this episode even started. Let'sstart. Let's just go back in time.
Gotta get back in Dame. Sorryhe was, he was los um.
Let's talk about the lady that washis mentor. Oh the all I
thought it was Christina Hendricks from Madman. That turns out it's Christine Hendrick.
Not really, It's funny. Yeah, this girl was quite a character too.

(28:22):
What was the point of her?I just I'm guessing that was probably
like the friend that that this ourinterview staff was able to speak with.
It was, I just meant inlife, not in the show. She
was just like, I know Imentioned these kids, No you didn't.
You were just a junkie like themrats alls your Yeah. I would stay

(28:44):
up to four am with them.That's why they liked me. I'm like,
no, make you the mentor.Yeah, that doesn't make you mentor.
I mean to make you one ofthe losers is up at four am.
But ye blowing crack out your wickingbutthole, I just to sound out
to my just turned into my day. He probably, what's what's next,
my buddy, my buddy Tom stayedhe got he's a very funny comedian out

(29:08):
of England. But when he hismom found cocaine in his in his in
his drawer once, what's next?Pot? Wow? He was, he
was. He was a fast learneranyways, and Tom straight and narrow and
he's a straight edge. There yougo, wink wink match man. Anyways,

(29:29):
but California sober. California's sober.He's Gavin Newsom is sober. Um.
She was just she wasn't helping thatsituation out. Now. The idea
that all of these teens would allhang together in the shady motel, what

(29:52):
a description, What a description ofthat place? Right? And you can
also the motel the poor motel managerwho it's like you kids, you damn
kids and your huge parties get offmy property. And then the next day
they like one room please, andhe's like, God, damn, I
need that money, right, Ireally do. Maybe it's a lot of
like that kid that came in hereyesterday. He wasn't wearing a sombrero.
But I could swear almost like bugsmoney exactly. Oh, no problem.

(30:18):
But if you were actually mentoring thesekids, they wouldn't be there. You
wouldn't be there. That's the changeof location right there. That just sounds
like a crack house. It soundslike the place where every you know,
the place behind the school where everybodygoes, like they just had their own
hangout location. And the drug ofchoice was maybe not the drug of choice

(30:41):
but something. This drug was justterrifying K two or spice synthetic marijuana terrifying,
which I didn't even know because I'min California, where there's real marijuana,
but apparently Wobragger synthetic marijuana just chemicalssprayed onto dried plants. Isn't that
when we remember when people are eatingpeople's faces off in Florida? Wasn't that

(31:02):
with that? Oh? Ian?There is a sword and scale episode.
I love it. We did thisepisode in my wie, I mean the
show before I ever worked for them. That is all about that the face
eater, which was with something calledsalvia, which I think is a little
bit different than the K two,but it's the same idea. You could

(31:23):
just buy this ship over the counterright, um, that story is an
incredible story and was it for freeor do you have it's a free one?
And spoiler alert, all those headlineswere fucked up and wrong. And
that kid did not eat somebody's facewas on like salvia and stuff. That
did He did eat somebody's face,right, he did. He had like

(31:45):
a psychotic break though. He justhad like a crazy probably from salvia right
his the like all of the testson him, there was no drugs or
alcohol, I mean, like fromusing it before. Probably i'd probably have
a snap, a little switch inyour brain. Yeah, I think I
actually told this story on that episodewhen I did a rewind of it all

(32:08):
those years ago. But it's beenmany years back in the day. But
I's right, I guess co hostroommate of mine who purchased some salvia from
the local grocery store because you couldliterally buy it from a grocery store,
And we decided to try this atmy place and I took a hit of

(32:28):
it and I didn't feel anything atall. That's how much of a junk
That's how much of a junkie Iam. But my friend was sitting in
the chair across for me and Itwas one of the most surreal thirty seconds
of my life. With my itwas like talking to a dog, like
my friend. I was talking tohim and he could not He was looking

(32:49):
at me, but he couldn't understandthe words that I was saying. Really,
and he started to get like reallyuncomfortable and shifty in his chair,
and then he fell out of hischair. He ran up to me,
he have my shoulders and he said, is this heaven? And then he
took off running out of my room, knocked a picture frame off of the
wall in the hallway, and thenI followed him out to the couch where

(33:10):
or to the living room where hestopped by the couch and turned around and
was like, Hey, what's upman? What are we doing? And
I was like, do you knowwhat just happened? And then he told
me a fifteen minute journey that hehad been on in that thirty second period
of time. Really, it wasone of the most time Sally totally did.

(33:32):
And I had asked him if hehad any memory of asking me,
is this heaven? And he saidthat he remembered like being on a beach,
like being on a beautiful beach,and like talking to like a rock,
is what he had said. Iwas the rock, which I think
is a metaphor for my you beingfriend ship, you know, but actually

(33:52):
meaning you were the wrestler. Nowthat's right. I became Dwayne. Anyway,
that was my Salvy experience, whichis watched a friend completely lose their
mind, lose their ship, andyou know there's people out there they go,
that sounds fantastic. Sure, welllisten, I mean we've all had
our We've all had some. Yeah, I'm one of them. Listen,

(34:13):
We've all, uh, we've allhad our dance with nature. We've all
had an argument with the video videogame. Yeah, I remember, we
made our own. We had poppiesgrowing at this house that I actually talked
about, the house that they didn'tpick up rent for four hundred fourteen months.
So we had poppies growing in thefront yard. And one of my

(34:36):
buddy's friend came over and said hegot heroin poppies. So we bled them.
You murdered those people who told youabout the poppies. We bled those
people, and we bled the poppies, scraped it all off, cooked it
all up, and tried it.And I had an argument with the video
game machine. Really because it waschasing me around. Oh my god,

(34:57):
yeah, I can't remember. Ithink it was Gilaca Galactica. I think
that's why I was like chasing.I just kept I kept trying to leave
the arcade, and it kept bringingme back. Oh my god. Yeah,
that's wild man, it was crazy. Well, the the killers in
question in this story, let's theyboth claim that they were not smoking spice
K two the night of these murders. Of course, you just do that

(35:21):
on your own. I like that. During the interrogation, he was just
very indignant about the fact that hedidn't smoke, and how dare they accuse
him of smoking. I was justalways had a cup of tea and then
I went to murder and then beatingmy father to death or whatever. Um
So, anyway, I mentioned hisname a little while ago, this guy
Mitchell, this is his drug buddy. And both of these guys are going

(35:43):
around talking about like they've murdered peoplebefore, right, just joking about it.
Now, listen, unless you hosta podcast about a murder shell,
it's never cool to joke about murdering. You can joke about murder unless you
can joke about murder. Uh,let's put it like this, before you're
going. They had a third friendthey did what was his friend's name?

(36:04):
His name was Ian. Oh yeah, that popped out my face really quick.
Yeah, this is gonna be there. Their driver, getaway getaway driver,
and they were gonna split the threethousand dollars three ways. Oh my
god, the money. They werejust they were in it for the money.
That Yeah. I think my parentsmight have like three thousand dollars somewhere
around the house. We have togather it up. Yeah, got the
bat, let's do it, man. Oh man, We'll just we're gonna

(36:28):
go. We're gonna go all theway to Iowa on that money. Yeah.
Yeah. Now, Ian, theperson in this story turns out to
be my hero. Yeah yo,because he's a No. Well, he
was like, you guys are justjoking, right, you guys aren't gonna
actually kill some Oh are going toI gotta go. You remember when you
guys were joking about killing somewhere.You guys are joking, right, You're

(36:50):
not Okay, Well, I'm gonnamove home with my parents. Doesn't sound
fun anymore. These guys, though, again, they they talk about like
Tucker especially, he has this gamethat he is making himself the victim for
everything. He's just talking about howhe has killed somebody before. He said

(37:12):
something about watching his brother rape hissister, and it's like he was adopted
when he was just days old.And the people who are getting interviewed in
this story are like being told forthe first time that their friend was lying
to them and that he didn't dothat. Was that Mitchell's girlfriend that they
were talking to. Was that theone lady that there's a lady. There's

(37:36):
a girl that says he would wakeup every night and from a nightmare,
right and I would I would holdhim or something like that. Was that
that was Mitchell's girlfriend? I thinkso, I'm not. You know,
it gets a little bit confusing whenyou got the two guys who are just
they kind of start to seem oneand the same to me a little bit.
If you're if you're a girl ora boy and somebody starts doing that,

(38:00):
just walk away. I know youthink they're your friend, but they're
not. Yeah, you know,if somebody has murders every night, not
murders, nightmares every night while you'rein a crack house smoking salve, yah,
Yeah, just go think about it. Think about I don't know.
I'm guessing there's kids are out therethat that's the alternative and that's better.

(38:25):
But this kid, Tucker, thatwas not better. Yeah. His home
life was fantastic by the sounds ofit. Was there things that you had
to do and they had to keepup to Did you have to keep good
grades? And it was tough forhim? Yeah? Right, that's just
called being a responsible adult. Yeah. I wish I'd known more about why
he had gotten arrested. I knowit was for drugs, but how he

(38:49):
like was he selling them? Right? Yeah? They don't really, they
don't say because he did prison timeby the same yeah, but not that
much. It was like I waskind of writing down the notes where it
was like he committed the crime inspring and then he went to jail that
winter, and then by February hewas out again. Right, So it
wasn't like it was the crazy teenagelock up. It wasn't. But still

(39:13):
still, so what do you isthere's a certain person right that if that
doesn't stop you in your tracks andchange your directions, it doesn't, right,
Sorry I say it again. Soif when you get arrested as a
kid, if that doesn't resonate andit stops you and puts you in a

(39:34):
different direction. Then you're going likeright off the right off the deep end.
Yeah, you would think that theprison experience is going to turn you
either turn you toward the light orturn you more in toward whatever bad path
you're going. I had to goto the police department for a fix it
ticket and I fucking hated it.So yeah, let alone the delousing and

(39:57):
they yeah, bending over and havingsomebody look up my butt hole for a
pen or whatever you smuggle into aprison, you should be lucky. If
they're just looking up your butt holein prison. We've heard a lot worse
things happen. That's how it starts. Once they look inside it. Then
they like to hide things in it, mostly penises. Yeah, I don't
think either of us would do verywell in prison. Oh, I'd cry.

(40:19):
No, you gotta beat somebody up. Haven't you seen the movies?
Man, You gotta beat someone up. The first you gotta show up like
you've been beat up, and thenyou got to make someone your bitch.
The first day doesn't much worse,No, thank you? Yeah, Like,
can't I just be like the cool, funny guy with all the all
the movie references that you want toHow guys, don't you want trivia?
Yeah? I can tell you,guys about a murder show that I used

(40:40):
to host. Today, guys,you guys want to listen to my show
new episodes out with the new guesthost. Guest host, I can say,
co host, son of a batch, you are a co host?
I'm in. Well, let's talkmore about these co killers. Let's talk
about Mitchell and Tucker. Mitchell,how white is that too? By Mitchell
and Tucker. Yeah, sounds likethey should have been doing white collar crimes

(41:02):
instead of murder. Totally agree,But instead they are trying to break down
who is going to be doing thekilling. Now. Later we'll learn that
they both point the finger at eachother, and they both swear that the
other person had the idea and thatthey never knew this was going to happen.
But there's plenty of people who survivedthis incident that could explain what really

(41:23):
did happen. But Mitchell had saidto Tucker, just what a stand up
guy he was. He said,you know a pel just for you,
I'll kill your parents so you don'thave to What a nice guy, sweet,
And I'll kill your sister and thenyeah, exactly, that sister that
you love so much? Yeah,yeah, sorry, we're going to say

(41:45):
I like her too much? Canyou kill her for me? Yeah?
That I want to play another wasbusy, he was murdering the ship at
a people that he really was.And the fact that excuse me, way,
when you see Mitchell, do yousee a redhead from from a modern
family? Sure, yeah, thatmakes it even more disturbing. Now that's

(42:06):
really funny. Um. But thefact that this whole thing was seen by
the little sister Isabella, who overheardthat they were trying to like steal mom's
purse. And so this little girl, amidst all the violence, found the
purse and hid the purse and thenran at her brother with like a lighter

(42:29):
bat to try to stop him,and he just takes the bat and then
proceeds to like beat everybody up withit. That just was so messed up
to me. And this idea also, by the by the way, she
gets an Italian name too. That'sright, you know, maybe that's why
he was jealous this whole time.Yeah, Tucker, Tucker, Tino Grandpa.

(42:52):
But Tanner didn't snap and kill anybody. He didn't. That's true.
Um, maybe they should have beenlike twins like Arnold, Arnold and Danny.
Oh yeah, because so much shorter, and then he would have been
happy and everybody be alive today.I want to play a little bit of
audio of the little girl because it'sheartbreaking to hear. Okay, but also

(43:13):
we should talk about him. Okay, Hello, I'm a little girl,
I say to Murder. I didn'twant to see it. My mama's mob.
That was a clip, and anyany thoughts on that. She sounds
a little bigger than I thought shewas. Woke up and I went down
Scars and I saw this boy poundingmy mom are my mom was in there

(43:37):
and chuckle in here too, tellus to go back up. Scar My
idea. I went down Star andhe's saying, you containing my purse.
But then I wind her around andhint of purse is he wouldn't back in
and take it. This idea too, that the little girl just can't comprehend

(43:58):
why this is happening North She butshe just keeps saying like I thought you
loved me, Like why would youdo this? Because I that's the only
way that little kids know how tointerpret the world is like through love or
hate, like the very sort ofbottom line type emotions. How did I
disappoint you? Yeah? Yeah,so that she sounds very like Brave in

(44:20):
the retelling of that story, butjust the amount of trauma that must have
caused her. Also, trauma doesn'talways show up right then. Yeah,
she might be fifteen when it popsup. She might be twenty when it
pops up, right, Yeah,I just think it's really it's it's gonna
affect her, And that's that's whatthat's what's so sad about when you hear
things that happen to kids. Theyhave so much longer to live than you

(44:46):
know, if it happens to somebodywhen they're fifty, when it happens to
somebody when they're forty, you know, yeah, yeah, so you know,
you just you just think about allthe all the things that you have
to do in life. Still thatthat's gonna be held over him. Well,
we can talk about it a littlebit, but along those lines though,

(45:07):
that's still not adopting a fucking kid. That is sort of the like
message or moral though. Toward theend of the episode, though, is
this idea that the family is somehowhealing together. I don't do you.
You don't have to happen to havethe phone call with the uncle calling up

(45:28):
Tucker while he's in prison and saying, hey, why don't you calm it
down? And just because they rememberhe's gonna fight it and just plead guilty.
That was that was an interesting Tucker'sattitude on the phone. He was
still the victim. Well, whatI thought was interesting, going back just
slightly, is after the murders aredone, the two guys are hiding in

(45:51):
the basement, and then Tucker escapesout the bottom like a back window and
runs off into the night. Andaccording to his like victims story, he
was just trying to like flee thesituation and then just go take a nap,
go sleepy sleep at his friend's house, versus Mitchell, who just charged

(46:12):
up the basement stairs and pushed thelittle girl out of the way. He
didn't make it very far at all. Was that which hold on which wasn't
a Tucker there was arrested first.I think it was Mitchell that was arrested
first, and then Tucker was foundlater because one of them drove away right,
one of them drove stuck, andthen he said, like in part
of his his like sob story wasthat he was like fleeing Mitchell and that's
why he had run away from Youimagine just sleeping after that. I know

(46:36):
that's the craziest. Have a littlebath of tea and just yeah, people,
people, it's insane. There's gottabe a week way we can test
these people for they're they're having thatkind of mental ability. Just put them
all into our special little soldier roadfor it. Yeah, put him on
our special camps. Um. Theyonly stopped their attack because the police came.

(46:58):
And when the police were they knewthat they knew the police were coming
because the nine one one operator toldhim from a distance, Yeah, they
heard her shouting through the floorboards.The police are there. Um. But
I thought this was kind of astrange moment, which is that the police
discovered Uh, maybe this is whyI thought that the mom and the brother

(47:20):
were both dead, because police foundthe bodies of Rows and Salvatur at the
bottom of the stairs. Their bodieshad been dragged there, and their bodies
were on top of the bats thatthey were beaten with. So I'm thinking,
now, maybe that's the moment thatI assumed that they were dead because
their bodies were dragged. But alsodidn't they say they were beaten so bad

(47:40):
they couldn't even tell what sex theywere. Yeah, yeah, I was
just like I've heard her beat thepits off her. But oh, we're
not doing any more shows. Yougotta take that. That's gotta be Can
you believe that? Because it's fuckingaleric um. But this idea of them

(48:04):
hiding the bats under the body,yeah, I'll never find out. I'm
not a great place to hide it. You know, You're you're really only
saving a couple of seconds there.They're gonna find him pretty quick. And
Papa, Papa didn't He didn't evenmake it out of the house, right,
Papa was now he died there,Yeah, exactly. And it's it's
weird because when they describe the family, Dad sounds like he's a pretty scook
them guy. What guy scoop themlike, you know, like a well

(48:25):
built man, Okay, and couldn'ttake care of himself, so he must
have been surprised. Yeah, sorry, I'm still caught on scookum must be
a Canadian word. I'm not hisword before you'll be using it now I
will. Hey, look at thatpiece of candy. It's but I want
to lead back to what you weresaying before, which is when it came

(48:46):
to now the trials of these twoguys and the uncle telling Tucker like,
look, you were gonna put thefamily through all of this again if it
goes to trial, So please pleasejust take some responsibility and like, yeah,
change your plea, man, don'tmake the little girl go on the

(49:06):
stands and have to tell her storyagain. Yeah, exactly, So they
do have that wish is granted,and he does change his plea, which
is a very good thing. Um. I do want to play a quote
here from when he's being interrogated thatI just thought was a real zinger from
the from the police officers had morethan anyone but my mom. I mean,

(49:31):
I guess I'm always had a boneto being with her. But she
talk me every other weeks to mytherapist kneed and a for away was sick.
She's tacking up from school, alwaystaking me to my quarantines. Until

(49:51):
I got older. She did toomuch of you. One talk about her,
I thought, we don't let you, don't I one she was saying,
no, I don't remember any her. I do remember doing that's when

(50:13):
I went whether whether you remember,yeah, whether you remember or not get
it, whether you remember it ornot, you did it. You did
it? What do you think?He also say to him, Look,
don't bullshit me too. Doesn't hesay that? At some point he does,
like I'm not stupid. Yeah,he kind of loses it a little
bit, which sounds like it neededto be done by dad. Dad was

(50:34):
a little too nice, and yeah, you know, well he was like
a like a ball coach, sportscoach. I'm ball coach. You gotta
keep your nuts, you gotta keepyour testicles up by your dick. I'm
a ball coach. That click,though, Tanner saying she did too much
for me. Hold that Tanner Tuckerthat, oh sorry, that's Tucker.

(50:57):
That's why you can't name your kidsDa Tuck. Yeah, Tucker the killer,
saying that he always had a boneto pick with his mom because she
was such a great mom. That'sthe part that I can't wrap my brain
around. I don't understand. Idon't understand. You know, you fight,
you fight with your You know youhave a parent that you can you
you might not see eye to eyewith and you might you know, it
doesn't matter well, you know,it doesn't matter. There's a parents.

(51:20):
Sometimes there's a relationship where your parentwill tell you something you're like, you
don't know what the fuck you're talkingabout. Yeah, and then somebody else
that you know that you think ismore important than your parents. I'm saying
love or whatever, but just doessomething and tells you the exact same thing,
and you believe it because they're justnot your parent. Yeah, you
know what I mean, So thatthey might have that kind of relationship,

(51:43):
can see that, but he's takenit to a new level. This.
Your mom's shown you underlying, undyinglove no matter who you know, no
matter what you do. She's takingyou to these things. She's taking you,
she's you know, and you're beatinga piece of shit and you're adopted,
and you're saying that she doesn't treatyou well because you're adopted, that
there's a difference between you and theother kids. Yet she's showing you just

(52:05):
as much love, if not moreright, And I thought it was interesting
that in this episode, Mike saysthat they reached out to the other brother
for his comments, and he understandablydidn't want to be interviewed, but then
he did send in a statement thatsort of put it on mental health services.
And I thought it was interesting thatMike afterwards was like, nah,

(52:28):
well, we don't really think ithad it wasn't that because it showed that
they had done everything that they kindof could. And again, thankfully Tucker
did change his plea to no contest, and you know he does give a
somewhat sincere apology. I don't know, We've played a lot of apologies on
the show. I feel like itsounded sincere enough. I suppose. I

(52:51):
like that they both got life withno parole. That part is great.
But Mitchell, this fucking jerk,took his case all the way to trial
and then instead of the moment wherehe should be talking about how sorry he
was, instead he just starts bitchingabout his lawyers not doing the job that

(53:12):
he paid them for. Right,um, and I want to play I'm
sure he didn't pay for them todo That's also probably true. Are we
paid for it with our pay damnit? But this is a great moment
when the judge is like interrupting himto tell him that this isn't the place
to be bitching about you can Isay that you listened to that, and
then he listened to his response.The kid was so dumb he didn't understand

(53:36):
what the judge was talking to himabout. Yeah, well, he just
want he was gonna say what hewas gonna say. Let's let's play it
because it's uh, this is foryou and it's free. You don't even
have to get it on. Plusreally really pitching that Plus has got more
things. But I know this isnot your impal. That you're saying now

(54:00):
is your basis for your appeal.There's a helport. Yes, you know
what I can say all this todaybecause all this is going to be sent
a drink up to the pelport.You need to say. I even want
to say to the help you don'thave to see all those times now for

(54:22):
the teleport that your arguments. Theyjust want to make sure to question that.
Very polite judge, by the way, very polite judge. All they're
trying to do as a judge isto like make sure that you understand the
trial to be a fair process.Like half the time the judge is just
like is like, and they sayingthis to the jurors too, like are
you getting this? Do you?Does this process make sense to you?

(54:45):
Because in American courts. We don'twant you to think that that the system
is raked. That doesn't help anybody. Um, But like I know people
that think it is right, ofcourse, and it probably is sometimes there
he is right there, that's theguy I was talking about. But in
this particular case, like we said, this guy just wanted to say what
he was going to say, andthe fact that he just went on for

(55:07):
another twenty minutes, it just showshow little remorse he had for the actions
that he did. You know,if there's any I've been a time that
somebody's tasers should go out by mistake, it was right while he was talking.
Just freeze up and piece himself.Yeah, that would have bean it
to like America's Funniest videos. Iwould have watched that for sure. So
the sort of wrap up has talkedabout in this episode, again, much

(55:29):
to my surprise, Rose not deadbut in a coma for two weeks and
then has recovered permanently disfigured. Theysaid something about like seven plates in her
head and seven more plates in herface. That was stupid. I apologize
everyone, and then I joke aboutthese things. If you don't joke,
you cry. That's right, Iagree. Yeah. And then the other

(55:51):
seven plates though, that poor ladyjust that's she feels that every day when
you're going through the airport, goingthrough security. That's every time, all
right, I gotta go that onebecause I have a plate mad Actually that's
the person that you want to havesneak stuff in, yeah, you know,
because and they're like, no,listen, it's not me, it's
the plates, and go okay,okay, go on through. And then

(56:12):
I got a free flask in there, you know what I mean? Look
at you getting a flask through.That's what you're smuggling through. I gotta
get a flash through this. Theother twin brother Sell, he was in
a hospital for sixteen months, andeven though people thought he'd never walk or
talk or take care of himself again, he has recovered some basic mobility skills.

(56:32):
Can't live by himself again. Idon't want to be too morbid here,
but wouldn't have just been easier ifhe died? I you know what
I was thinking about that. Iwas trying to find out if when I
heard that, how far he'd recovered, because it sounds like he's walking um,
because they at first he had iteating too he couldn't eat. Yeah,

(56:54):
so he had a feeding tube andhis body would so he'd never eat
again, and he couldn't talk andbasically turned into a Metallica song. Uh,
but I'm laughing about it. Butat the same time, no,
I'm glad he didn't die. Yeah, I don't want to wish death on
anything. But when when you whenyou asked, like, do you think,

(57:15):
I think, yeah, you know, I think he got back to
a point where there is some sortof quality of life. Yea, even
though it isn't the you know,the quality that you want. So I
think I think the twin brother justthe guilt. I bet you he's got
a lot of guilt that he shouldI fought harder should, you know.
So I think that's the one thatyou should be we should be worried about

(57:37):
the most, because it sounds likehe's, you know, he's the caretaker
of the whole family now, right. But it is interesting to note that
they have all stayed together, includingbeing in touch with the evil person who
did all they said they got toforgive him. Yeah, I can understand.
Yeah, But at the same time, I'm like, it's like,

(57:59):
how how you have to be sucha strong person to like recover from something
like that and then to allow yourselfto forgive that person. I don't know,
it's sad that they're that person becauseit says to you how great of
apparent they were. Yeah, andthen to have the kid that they adopted

(58:21):
turn into this giant piece of shitand yeah, only five foot seven though
he's not that giant. Yeah,but but yeah, it was just,
it was just I kind of feelI don't know, I don't know.
I've not forgiven people for a lotless. I'll tell you that. So
I had a roommate X roommate,Yeah, owes me a lot of money.

(58:43):
And then I'm sure you're fired upand wishing farts on his face every
all the time. But but thetruth truth, you've not forgiven people for
far less. How do they dothat? Yeah? That to me is
like just it's wild. When theysay that it's the only way to move
on. I'm like, oh,there's a lot of funny ones. You
probably probably pick out a COLI.Yeah, I'm not sending my Christmas gardenship.

(59:04):
Yeah, it's true, But Imean, I guess there must be
a part of it that there's thislittle girl that was involved in all this
too, and that little girl hasa lot of trauma to deal with and
needs people to like show her howto be strong, right, and if
her own family can't do that,then she's really going to be in trouble.

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So the fact that her family isable to do all this is like
incredibly noble true. True, Iguess I hear what you're saying, though,
Like there are other ways, butmaybe that's the healthiest way to do
it. Yeah, I guess.So. It's just sad that, you
know, as as they get older, they'll get less help. Yeah,
you know, I get there.She's she's not the cute little girl anymore.

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Get over things because people won't knowwhere, you know, wherever she
goes, they won't know what happenedto her, right, what's her problem?
Yeah, her family was beaten todeath in the basement. Right.
Well, And it's interesting because we'vehad sort in scale stories where there are
the people. It's like about theperson who did survive all of that horrible

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stuff and learning how to not compartmentalizea bit, learning how to like put
it into perspective so that it doesn'tdestroy the rest of your life. Well,
that male sexual abuse guy with thetrucker. Do you remember that?
Yes, yes, I mean hedidn't forgive that guy, but you know
we moved on, Yeah, exactly. He had to find a way to
kind of move on from that.So, you know, this is definitely

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a really sad story. It's verysad, but it's very it's it's kind
of you hope, you hope thebest for them, totally. Yeah,
anything further to add, well,I'd like to do a voicemail from you
know, oh you have no voice. The voicemails I Mike and let After
the show, I just want tothank you. Michael's fantastic and from Longbridge
is having a good time, andIan and matter fantastic. Keep on playing

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with them. Yeah yeah, Ilove hearing from the fans. We want
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