Episode 165

Before you call 911, and before you call your lawyer, call Ian and Matt... or just listen to this week's podcast about one seriously terrible organic farmer.

Episode Transcript

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Welcome to Sword and Scale Rewind withyour hosts Matt Fondelier and Ian bag Hello,

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and welcome back to Sword and ScaleRewind. This is episode one hundred
and sixty five, but you knowthat already, and you already know that.
I'm one of the hosts of theshow. My name is Matt Fondelier.
I'm joined once again by Mike,my comedian, My comedian, my
comedian. You're my comedian. Niceto have you here, my friend.

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You'll notice the handcuffs are a littletighter today. You are not allowed to
leave. Episode two oh one offto a rollicking start here. I love
it. It's Christmas spirit, that'sright, Christmas spirit is almost upon us.
Thank you for mentioning this. Yeah, and you needed a comedian for
your party, for your Christmas party, saying now I'm your comedian. That's
right. I love it. I'vebeen hired. I'll accept. I accept

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the money, Matt, I acceptthe money. You thought you were here
for a corporate gig, but you'rehere forever. Man. I love it.
I love it. Uh, we'restill talking about murder, you know.
Yeah. I though Jesus was born, murder never stopped. It's great
It's a great point. People thinkduring the holiday season that murder rates go
down, but don't they go Theyfucking go up. Really, a lot
of people get depressed around the holidays. Suicides go up, for sure.

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Yeah, yeah, Well, imaginemost of the crimes looting. You know,
have you been. I've been inawe about the people just looting the
stores and stealing stuff. Oh,flash flash looting. Flash looting is out,
there's what they're naming it. Well, there was that thing called like
flash mob, just like everyone wouldget together and start dancing. Yeah,
out of nowhere, those same peopleare now doing that, but instead of

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dancing, they're smashing into stores.That's funny that the dance club from here
from high schools now stealing stuff.Yeah exactly. You know why, because
entertainment doesn't work out for everybody andyou need stuff still, that's right,
that's why they're stealing stuff. Youthink you're sitting there at the store and
suddenly thriller comes on. You're like, oh, I like the song,
and then people in the aisle startdoing the little werewolf thing with their hands
and the next thing you know,windows are going The band aids of the
sodas are getting styling. I don'tknow how you wear those coats with the

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wires through them still where they stealthose. I'm waiting for somebody to be
killed at one of those. Idon't know about you. Yeah, it's
really only a matter of time whenyou break the law. Yeah, security
guards gonna go nuts. Yeah,he's not gonna be driving his little car
around having around at college like weused to talk about in that one murder
episode. But today we're gonna talkabout something completely different, right, yes,

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exactly, we're gonna talk about Ihope you're sitting down a dead baby.
Well, we were having fun.It was all great, that was
all. It was all funny gamesand tell him Matt had a baby killer.
Yeah, listen, don't blame me, Blame Mike Budey. He definitely
has a thing for dead baby episodes. There's just there's gonna be another one
in a few weeks. I hopeyou're ready for that one. You know,

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it's just I think what it is. Remember dead baby jokes? Oh?
Yeah, were they funny? Youtell me what's the difference between a
dead baby and a bowling ball?I don't know. You can't take a
bowling ball out with a pitchfork.It's not funny. It's not funny.
It's stupid, though, it's sostupid. A difference between dead baby and

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a football And I don't know,I don't know. Tom Brady doesn't have
a dead baby. That's pretty good. Yeah, the punchline that traumatized me
as a small child was footballs don'tstick to your cleat when you kick him.
Oh my golful, horrific. Idon't know why I remember these end
what I think? What's uh?What I think? The one I remember
is what's the difference between a bowlingball and dead baby? You can't stack

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bowling ball. I shouldn't be laughingagain, you know what, you should
laugh, But if it's if it'sso out there, you should laugh like
that is so out there, likenobody it's horrific. Dead baby's horrific.
That's why you laugh at it.Yeah, I guess that's why, because
who what kind of person would stackdead babies? Right? Yeah? These

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couple that were about to talk aboutsay, speaking of which, no,
there's no stacking of dead babies inthe show, but there is some starving
of babies, which I mean,we'll get into that. But I mean,
neither of us have kids, butI acknowledge and if I did,
making sure that the child was wellfed would probably be absolutely one of the

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things that I would be most attentiveto. And maybe having it around more
than four hours a day, Yeah, twenty hours asleep. That's what they
were getting. They were giving itunbelievable. It was. It was just
can we go, let's so,let's start. Let's yeah, let's do
it. So so he's he's aYouTube guy. We're back to another YouTube
guy. Yes, this is uhseth right, seth uh, the live

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stream genius who live streams. Maybenot for everybody. This guy's doing live
streaming trying to tell stories, can'tget through three sentences of the story without
correcting himself. You know what I'mtalking about? Yet, let me play
this one clip, fair, Thisis like one of my favorite things.
Five years ago, my wife andI started a farm produce business. We

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had no idea where it was gonnago or where it's gonna take off.
Well, there I go. Ididn't even start. At the beginning of
the story. Six years ago,my wife and I we moved here.
Um, I didn't move here tostart a produce business. Like, at
this point, you've already you've alreadylost me. You know. The best
part is he's in the middle ofthe middle of the freeway doing it.
Yeah, what's up exactly? Talkingabout his fresh produce from the middle of

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a freeway. We have we ownedland in the Medain. Yeah, between
two they're they're they're soaked in thein the rare method fumes that come from
this part of the country. It'sjust right. I understand. I didn't
understand why he needed to do itlive. What I couldn't find that out?
That was my question just in general, why does anyone do anything live?

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Right? I'm thinking there's like there'ssome something cool about the immediacy of
let's say, like a live performance. If you're on stage, you can
hear people laughing at your jokes orapplauding. People that are doing these videos
on the internet they want that immediacy, and I think getting the likes and
those things happening live while you're doingit is what's appealing. But his numbers

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were like zeros and fives. ButI mean, have you spent any time
on YouTube like this is what wedo? People are like, we did
it. We did an episode nottoo long ago where the guy's like,
no where man, I got eightviews? Right? Yeah? Yeah,
crazy? Oh my god. See, not everyone is as a skilled comedian

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like you ian to have thousands offollowers and loves and comments on everything you
put out, so many comments,so many, so many, like many.
I was feeling good about myself untila little while ago Adam Adam Carolla
called me the Richard Jewel of comedy. I was like, what does that
mean? Do you think I'm aspecial? And it's just like, well,

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not everybody's going to be a copthen here I'm like, okay,
all right, all right, Adam, thank you very much. You see,
I try to get you some exposure, put you on the Man's show,
and this is what happens, Thisgets flicked in the nuts. So
well, listen, I hope youguys are enjoying our show here, Sword
and Scale rewind. Yeah, youknow, we talk to us, let

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us know what you think about ouranalysis to that episodes. Do the have
a number they can send us avoicemail. What do you mean? Oh
we should do that. Oh mygod, what a great idea. I'm
going to talk to Mike about that. Yeah, we should have a voicemail,
because nothing cooler than listening to theend of the Sword and Scale after
everything's over and then you start tohear all the pole. I was like,
hey, Mike dode a great job. I love that stuff. It's

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weird though some of them. You'vechanged my life. I'm like, what
you've taught me how to murder?Mike? Yeah, well listen, he
kind of changed my life, like, way more paranoid now than I used
to be. Oh, I Ilocked my door the other day in traffic.
Oh yeah, there was no chanceanyone's getting in, but you didn't
care. I was. So I'mon Beverly and Wilsher, that's those two

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cross right, and I'm watching thisguy panhandle, and all of a sudden
he starts reefing on people's doors.Now it's time, and I'm just like
what Yeah, And usually before Idid this, I probably would have just
got involved. Probably would because hesaw a sudden he started to try and
open mine. I probably would havepushed, pushed it and knocked him down,
right. Yeah. Yeah. Sincewe started doing this show, I'm

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just like, everybody's gonna kill me, everybody exactly. So I was just
like, it's it's stupid. Howit's changed me. Yeah, I'm like
I had to drive away. Ohscare I used to approach things in life,
No, I just run and hide. I used to have huge nuts.
Yeah, well we got off trackhere. Let's talk a little bit
more about this live streaming guy herea dick. So I agree with you.
I don't think it was ever clearwhy he was live streaming. You

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could have gone for the best takes, set up a camera, get a
little bit of editing equipment. Nota bad voice, No, he has
you know, had a pretty goodvoice. So I'm like, because I
thought, oh he's professional when Ifirst heard it. What do you think
of his organic family farm? BlackAcre, that's what it was originally called.
I so when I when I whenI was looking into this, and

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I don't know if you can answerthis. Did they name it or buy
it black Acre and then change it? Or was black Acre not doing well?
So have they changed it? Greatquestion. I don't know the answer.
I am willing to bet that thatscenario could be possible, that it
was purchased with that name and thenthey changed it. Either way, it's
a terrible name. It's it's likeI think black Acre, I think.

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Okay, there's an acre of landthat's been scorched by a fire. That's
why it's black, right, that'swhy it's burned. Yeah. Yeah,
you know. Also it could bean oil field, yeah, or whale
field. These are not conjuring imagesof like luscious fruits for me to enjoy.
Yeah, it's it should be.If you're gonna go a black acre,
it should be it should be doinglike angry orchard side or something.
Yeah, have a little bit ofan ironic product. No, no,

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we got lettuce. Yeah, havesome fresh lettuce on our black acre.
Welcome to black Mold. Yeah,exactly. There's a great comedy show called
Arrested Development. I love it.There's a part of that show where they
had a real estate development that theycalled Sudden Valley, which they're like,
doesn't that conjure images of its suddenlybecoming a valley and all the houses fully

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in? Um. I just thoughtthat was great, But yes they did.
They then changed it to Stewards ofCreation Farm, which, okay,
so he wasn't born again until alittle while after buying the farm, right,
I don't know the exact timeline,it seems like for me, it
seemed like he became as his frustrationsbuilt, that's when he became again.

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Yeah, well, I guess justin the process of because the whole idea
of him being like a doomsday preppertoo. I feel like all of that
is all sort of like, oh, it's end of days, it's end
of times, we need to learnhow to be self sufficient. And I
feel like all of that, thelong ramblings online, that seems all kind
of woven together to me. Ifeel like it's the same part of time,

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right, you know, but stupidthey had they had the children.
They didn't come there with the children. They had the children there, right.
Well, that can't be true becausethe kids, the older kids were
three and four years old, andI did not get the impression that they
were on that farm for very long. Okay, although he does say a

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couple of years, he says fiveyears. He got confused in his story
because he said five years ago.Oh wait, no, six years ago.
That's when he started this farm produce. So you're right, they did
have to start the produce farm,and then later the kids came, right
because he taught when he talks aboutum, well, we were selling about

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nine hundred dollars worth of produce aweek, and then they went down to
fifty dollars worth of produce. Right. I was like, oh, you
had bad product. Yeah right.People bought it first and then they're like,
oh, Black Acres has really gonebad. Yeah, it was right
in the name. We should haveknown. Oh no, it's a gross
No, it's true. I feellike any sort of new product, you're

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definitely going to get that first roundof everybody wanting to try it, and
then good luck selling it again unlessit's actually good. It's got to be
it's got to be top of theline for them to do it again.
Yeah. Yeah. It just mademe think. One of my first jobs
that I ever had. I wasin high school and your parents were child
they were workers, putting me outof child labor. And there was a

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like a golf course, country clubabout half an hour from where I lived,
like in the hills of Malibu,and I had a friend of a
friend of a friend like three orfour degrees remover. This guy had a
business of selling hole in one contestpackages. What exactly to let me explain

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my job for like summers in betweenyears of high school was I would sit
on the green of the tenth holeof a golf course, and it was
a waterhole part three, and richcountry club people would come around the corner
on their golf carts and I wouldgo, excuse me, sir, looking
great out there. Let me offeryou something here before you tee off.

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If you give me ten dollars,I'm going to give you all these magazines,
sleeve, golf balls, subscriptions,and if you land on the green,
you're going to get one million dollars. Now, I would do that
spiel, like a variation of thatspiel, to every single golfer who would
come by, and every single onethe first week would come by and give

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me ten dollars, and then inevitablythere's money on the line, and nobody
came anywhere close to the green.Eventually, you though, year after year,
a month after month, if thesame fucking golfers, because it's a
country club, they would come backto that same hole. And so by
the middle of summer I couldn't sellanything else because everybody already tried it once

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and unless it was like the superiorexperience, no one's gonna do it a
second time. Right. They're likeAlex p. Keaton's out there trying to
sell some shit again, Yeah,exactly. That's one of the worst jobs
I ever had. By the way, I would never hire a boy to
sell something on a golf course.Yeah, it's just got to be a
young nineteen eighteen twenty year old girlwho was a little goofy and her boob

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pops out every swamp. Yeah,you do not want a slightly portly fifteen
year old, you know, learninghow to do the tiger Woods golf ball
bounce on the three iron, youknow, like that's pretty much pretty much
when I did all summer long,Whose Special Suns on the whole nights exactly.
God, oh that was much.That's a great, great first job.

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How'd you get it? Though?Again, it was like a friend
of a friend like there like somebodyand what's that? No, no,
now, no, it was likeme And basically they told my friend like,
hey, find three of your jackassfriends to like do this with.
Ah, so as your buddies hangingout. No, but it was a
solitary It was like we had tolike split the shift up and I would
be there from sun up, likewhen the first golfers would come at like

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six in the morning, and you'dhave to stay there until sundown, and
I would just be there for hoursand hours, sun burnt mat. That
was That was a rough time.But Seth and his stewards of creation farm
failing after the first go round,that's what it reminded me of second round,
you know, yeah, second summer. Yeah. But here here's the
deal. He could go back.You could go back to your parents.

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That's true. He lived. Helived on that golf course. Yeah,
his golf course. I also thoughtit was really funny that wall. Maybe
not funny, it's not the rightword. But while while Seth is doing
this very natural living off of theland, his wife is working at McDonald's,
which is probably the most unnatural thingon earth. They're so far from

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I'm gonna go water the plants fromthe sun. You go, you go
make your chemical burgers exactly. Isaw a video once of a dude's smoking
a French fry from McDonald's like acigarette. That shit scart me for a
wife, dude, Like, whocan smoke a French fry? It's real.
I'm surprised there as in cars thatrun on French fries from McDonald's.

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They probably could. No, there'slike museum exhibits that show that this food
just doesn't age. Yeah, thatcan't possibly be good for you. But
really, the question that I thinkwe all know the answer to is how
the hell is seth keeping track ofhis little kids and doing all this farm
work while his wife is flipping burgers? And how much farmworks are you doing?

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Because he's busy doing making his videos. He's making a lot of videos.
They are They're focusing on tomatoes,berries, and raw honey from bees.
I feel like this is starting tosound like a Jack Black comedy.
You know, bees everywhere like it. This is not a good situation.
I got wasps spend set of bees? Yeah? Exactly? Um, how

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do you how do you know that? Here's a big question. How do
you fuck up honey? Yeah?You don't even have to do anything.
It's just a collect Yeah, Idon't get it. Man, put on
a hockey mask and go in.Yeah. Yeah, here's what I'm wondering
too. Though. He's probably overchargingbecause it's like a small family farm,
and maybe the honey tastes fine,but who wants to drop like fifteen dollars

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on a jar of honey? Youcan get honey for a dollar? True?
True, I. I just there'ssomething that's off, right, because
he's bought a farm that obviously workedand now he's sent it into the ditch.
Yeah. I wonder how he gotthe money to buy the farm.
I never even thought above that.Yeah, another great question because it didn't

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sound like they owed anybody money.They were busy living on the farm and
and just shank itting in the woodswould by not being able to sell anything,
but they weren't saying that the bankwas ready to foreclose or right,
that's true. A lot of thesestories, they the like murders whatnot,
are sort of because of this likefinancial pressure, which you're right, doesn't
seem like that's really part of thisstory. Yeah, they don't. They

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don't seem to be freaking for money, which or at least not at first.
But then when everything starts to gooff a cliff, you know,
I think that's when they start topanic a little bit. But obviously not
doing too much. Here there he'sshe's not, is there any I didn't
check this out, and I shouldprobably have checked it out. Was there
videos with her and him with themlike as like selling their their they're they're

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they're doing the YouTube staff because thatwould have been way more sellable than Yeah.
I don't know. I feel likehe's listen. I don't know if
selling his product was really the firstthing on his mind when he was doing
these live streams. I feel like, a, yeah, exactly, or
just like, let me just tellyou why my scripture is better than your

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scripture. It's weird, right,you know it's weird when my Jesus is
better than you're Jesus. Yeah.Yeah, I mean this story takes place
in like twenty eighteen, which isstill like, why are we still arguing
about this Religion's what's up? Well, I don't get it. When things
don't go right, it's an easything to go to and it's an easy

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easy thing to use as to blamepeople. Well, they don't believe,
and that's why this is happening.Yeah, you're being I'm being punished because
of you. I'm I'm God's God'sson. You're I'm the one that's punishing
for your being punished for your sins. Yeah. I think I've just reached

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personally just a level of don't givea fuck, like so deeply about when
it comes to the religious issues.Yeah, I kind of walk away.
I really. Yeah, I'm notinvested in it at all, right,
but you're right. I mean,it's just you're right. When it defines
every part of your like living day, and somebody is questioning it, I

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guess that's the reaction. And theyalso they pick certain parts to you know
that that suit them, right,Yeah, I mean I just feel like
that's everybody. I just stopped arguingwith people because I'm like, you're just
They're like, all right, cool, Yeah, you're picking your things.
Good for you, man, yougot things that are important to you.
It sounds like you've been on TikTokfor a while. Yeah. Oh man,

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Well, love you play another cliphere if we can. I love
the cluing along here. I rewoundthe clips a lot because just listening to
them just was making me giggle andfeel sad because yeah, just I'm like,
I think a lot of my friendswish they could do this as a
comedy sketch. Yeah, well,right, by the way, that reminds
me. I talked to a fanof the other podcast I'm on the Water
Cooler. It's available on iTunes,and I was talking to a couple fans

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of that show, and one ofthem told me that he listens to Sword
and Scale rewind, but he hasnever heard an episode of Sword and Scale.
He just listens to our show.I was like, wow, interesting,
So you must really need some contextfor the things that we're talking about.
He's like, no, you guysdo fine, like really cool.
Well, well that means we're explainingthe murder very well. Yes, I

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want to be honest with you.I love listening to him. I love
the way they're put together. Um, there's nothing else like it. The
quality is amazing, and it's it'sum, it's it's equal to anything that's
put out by million of dollar companies. Yoh yeah, and it's just but

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there's no boundaries with Mike, whichwhich is great. It reminds me of
something I was going to say earlier. I think the reason why there are
so many dead baby episodes of sortof Scale is because this is the only
show that's willing to go that farmwhen it comes to covering stories. A
good point, like you'll hear likethe uh, I can't remember that there's

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some recent story the kids that werelike all locked in their basement for thirty
years t Lucos or whatever, yeah, yeah, whatever. They weren't called
the telucos. But I'm gonna calla bit like that. You know,
those stories get coverage, you don'treally hear on a national level about the
like weirdo farmer dude who started hiskid to death right sort of scale.
Is gonna give you like way toomuch detail about that's that's the problem.

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Well, they're gonna do the pretty, the pretty episodes, right yeah,
and they're they're not gonna push theboundaries too much. And that's what's killing
Network TV is that there's shows likethis, and there there's shows on I
think there are comedy shows on Netflixand Amazon and stuff that push the boundaries

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that don't keep it to twenty twominutes, that can spill over to twenty
six minutes. Meanwhile, Network TVis still in nineteen fifty and very wanting
to show a couple in bed together, you know. Yeah, so that's
why this shows the best man.That's why take that Keith Morrison right in
the nuts, your son of abreach. Oh yeah, he's the other
Canadian that does murder. Oh nice, let's talk about let's play another clif

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here. I want to play it. Earlier, we mentioned it, we
talked, we alluded to it,but let's hear Seth talk about able business.
We had a lot of loyal customers, we had a lot of supporters,
and last year we were really pushingit, really getting big, really
taking the big steps, and thingskind of came crashing down around our ears.
To be quite frank with you,while sales started very well through the

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month of June, by July,things dropped off and kept dropping off,
quite frankly, right off of acliff. The fact that things went flying
off of a cliff within arguably twoweeks of the business starting is a pretty
good indicator. Like, I don'teven know he should be so embed gave

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him, I gave him a year. And after listening to this cliff again,
I'm really, oh, yeah,was it that quick? Yeah,
we were doing great in June,and then on July, first three days
after it changed the summer, that'swhen things went off a cliff. Like
you should be too embarrassed to saythat. And in four weeks, is
anybody considered a loyal customer? Yeah, that's great too. We had so

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many loyal customers. They bought once. How loyal is that they put their
name, they put their email downon the mailing list and assured me that
they would be back again. Suckmy rocks at yahoo dot com. So
this guy is the ringleader, he'sthe he's in charge of his own little

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kingdom. But when the people finallystart to see what this place really looked
like, it seems like a prettyterrifying place. Unkempt yard, the fence
that has like hent believe, likeall these like horrifying quotes on the wall,
like this does not seem like afun place to live. So I

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listened to this episode while we weredriving to Vegas and traffic was bad,
so ways took us off off theroad. And as we're we're listening to
this, I'm looking out the sideand you know where there's they used to
be a water slide and it's beenkind of taken apart on the way on
the fifties, I most certainly do, okay, So if you go off

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the road there, it's all thoseplaces like this with Jesus is coming Sin
all the written on painted on thefence. So I'm going by and I
said to my wife, this iswhat we're listening to, right, that's
a wild Yeah, it was crazy. I mean you, I guess California
is just such a diverse state.You think that it's just like this big
liberal la Hi. But you don'thave to go far at all to see

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the you know, twenty twenty fourand yeah, yeah, it's a pretty
strange state, that is for sure. I want to transition now into the
N one one call. That's forafter the show. Yaan, Okay,
this is one of the most unbelievablenine one one calls. And I know

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we say that a lot on thisshow, but this is unbelievable. For
every time we say this isn't thishas got to be the worst. Somehow
a new episode comes out and we'relike, holy shit. Yeah. Well,
oftentimes the flodder comes from how horriblethe NI one one operator is this?
That the nine one operator are fine, they're kind of neither here nor
there. But Seth describing to thepolice this scene of this dead baby,

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his dead baby. It's almost asthough nine eleven called him and was annoying
him. That's right, sir,Sara, dead baby on your property?
Maybe maybe who wants to know whatwould how would you tell if it was
a dead baby? Well? Ihave a bunch of clips of the nine
one one call because honestly, likeas I was listening to the episode,

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I was like, oh that's ohmy god, Mark that oh Mark Market.
Every everything that comes out of thisguy's mouth is just more horrible than
the last. It's cool. Iwant to open up there. If if
his vege fruit and veg was asgood as it's comments in the nine to
eleven, they'd be still selling today. Yeah, that maybe it would have
been a fat Maybe I have toask you sit nine to eleven multiple times

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now instead of nine one one?Is that a Canadian thing? Do you
guys not say nine one one?Um? I don't mean to stop the
flow of conversation. I just noticedit, you know what. It was
funny because I was saying it,and now it's like, it's mine sounds
different than York eleven is like youknow that horrible day in New York when
the towers came down. I'm kindaone one is those three digits on the

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phone. It isn't it is,but it isn't say I'm Canadians. So
we put our month afterwards eleven nineeleven nine right in Canada. Yeah,
so that's why you say nine toeleven? Yeah, so freely? Yeah,
like nothing bad, all right,but listeners, you want to know
you're welcome. Somebody's out there,son of a bit much just say September

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eleventh. Um, I want toplay this clip. This one's long.
It's the like basically the opening ninetyseconds, but so much. This is
worth it, no matter even ifyou listen to that episode or you haven't,
like your friend from the Watercooler podcast. Yeah, these these nine to
eleven calls are worth it. It'sit's just I mean, you'll hear it

(28:30):
right now. Let's play again.We'll be back in like ninety seconds,
nine on one. I guess Idon't know if this is the right place
to report this to. Um itis I'm at home, and UM,
I don't know if this is theright place to call. Where else are
you calling? Yeah? Like isthis? Uh? This wouldn't be war

(28:52):
worse, would it? Yeah?Can you please transfer me to the clothing
department? He must have thought whenhe got that call, though, a
guyment, Oh fuck, he's gonnaorder a pizza. Yeah, that up
breaker? All right, here wego. How old is the child?
Like ten months? And why doyou believe a child of the sea?

(29:14):
I have no idea. We justwalk up and can we stop there.
I hated both of them at thatpoint. Why do you believe the child
is just deceased because it's dead?It's like, what a weird question.
I'm pretty sure the baby's dead.Well, well, why do you think
it's dead? Well, because he'sbeen walking around saying weird things backwards?
You know that. Later we obviouslyI think maybe they're just like you ask

(29:41):
that question because it's like, istheir blood you know it is there?
Well watch it? How do youthink the baby died? That would have
definitely been a better question, rightthan what makes you think the baby's car
accident? He was driving? Yeah, babies can't reach the pedals. He
went right through the wall, andwe thought dead baby joke Ford funny.
Come on, come on baby,Yeah, listen us, big guys.
You're at a and Drew. Areyou home alone? No, I'm here

(30:03):
with my wife and my family.Did the child have any medical history?
No? Noon, I'm gonna startand Andy until good doctor Michael did best
and Chelson I can't county? Okay, what coming? Get what happens?

(30:27):
Sir? Hold on? Just secondcolors with this ten month old child that
he believe is deceased? Me Okay, can we souther there he's with him
baby that he thinks is dead.No way, this baby's dead. That's
kind of he thinks his baby's dad. But I know from sitting here this
baby isn't dead. So you tellme that. Do you think these guys

(30:48):
just aren't even believing me? Wellkind of it, like he thinks his
baby's dad. Well, come on, this guy doesn't have a baby.
It's a cabbage patch though. Youknow, Yeah, I don't. I
don't think I ever read that intoit. There's a little bit of there's
a little bit of sarcasm and asto see that, yeah, he hasn't
dead because he calls him, Heybout its mutes just gotta get one by
them. Yeah, it's like,hey bout it's met. This guy's on

(31:10):
the phone. Thanks. I completelyagree with you. I think that sort
of stuff that we get to hearon sort in the scale. I don't
think the nine one one caller heardthat, you know, like they basically
are well you're listening to the tapefrom the nine one one agency, right,
So there is totally like that callerson mute, and that's why like,
hey, jail, look, wegot this guy online too. I

(31:30):
think he's blah blah blah, becauseyou imagine being on the side and then
hearing the transfer, like, yeah, that would really out. It's almost
made. It's not like it calledhim, Hey bad, got a dead
bodio here, But hey I getsomebarrassed afterwards. Yeah, exactly. It's
got two more calls here in myships over some somebody would cost. I
can't take it in the left earanymore combat telling who happened? Um,

(31:55):
I mean it's not going away.Put her down yesterday and on the roads
are up this morning, and hesaid, all right, coming exactly,
why do you think I don't haveum one second? Sure? So why
do you think it is? Idon't know. They're using the wrong words,

(32:19):
right, Yeah, they're using theword Why do you think this baby's
dead? It's not. How doyou think this baby died? It should
have been right, Yeah, Ithink you're right, because it's it is
hard. I mean, you shouldbe able to answer the question either way.
It's really not that hard to answer. Well, why do you think
the baby's dead? Baby's not breathing? Okay, okay, because the baby's
blue, baby's blue. Because thebaby's blue is jamped that bad. You

(32:44):
see that Ottle Blockbuster commercial with thedancing baby. The baby's not doing that.
That's how baby. It's just lyingthere. Yeah, and baby answer
all right, there's like eight secondsleft on this s No, it's good.
Sure, Why do I think?See that? Yeah? And the
heart beat annoyed. Yeah. Hereally just sounds completely inconvenience. Like you

(33:07):
said, it sounds like they calledhim, Yeah, can you come get
this baby so I can get backto my apples. I've got my wasp
honey that I'm trying to take careof, right. Well. The part
that then is even more dumbfounding iswhen he explains that he hasn't been near
the baby in over an hour andthat he called his lawyer first. And

(33:32):
then there's it was his lawyer whoadvised him that he should probably call the
police. There's two things about that. There's so much about that. But
if I don't know, if Idon't I've never been around somebody that passed
away like that. But I don'tknow how in control I would be with

(33:53):
my emotions. Like you got toget here, you would still be thinking
that may be there's a chance,maybe there's a chance. Yeah, Like
let's not let's not have this conversation. We have this conversation after somebody gets
here, checks and make sure thatsee if we can save this baby.
Yeah, or like where's the hysteria? Yeah, there's nothing there. And
it's like, oh God, thisbaby's getting to me like you wouldn't believe.

(34:15):
Yeah, he's dead and I'm justhanging there. You know that babies
don't even make Honey, this babywe're supposed to be the picture. I'm
a new honey jar and it's notgonna say, honey, I want to
play the audio of him talking aboutcalling his lawyer because I know you love
this so much. I didn't gonnago how long ago did you find this

(34:35):
child? It's about an hour anda half. I was waiting. I
called my lawyer first thing to act. You know, what's the next thing
I can do? And they said, wait till they're here to call you
know, the police and get thatgoing. Thoughts on the calling of the
lawyer, Yeah, it's the firstthing you do anytime, right, anytime

(34:58):
anything goes wrong anything. I amconfused by these people that have a lawyer.
Yeah, it's not normal to havea lawyer that you call when somebody
dies, that's your first call exactly. So anytime I hear something I got,
I like on these crime shows,I gotta call my lawyer. Why

(35:21):
do you have a lawyer? Yeah, I know I have a lawyer,
but I would never call my lawyer'smy entertainment lawyer. I own five percent
sometimes, Yeah you don't want allthat. Yeah, I don't call him.
He's not gonna do anything, andhe's gonna ask for five percent.
So let's let that. So Idon't understand when they say I called my
lawyer. Yeah, see, mydad's a lawyer. So I like to
use it as a threat to people, be like, listen, I'm gonna

(35:42):
call my lawyer if you're not careful. But what it really means, I'm
gonna call my dad. Just sayhi, he's your dad. Really lawyer.
Yeah that's but not like a criminaldefense lawyer or kind of lawyers.
He does medical Yeah, he doesan accident a law like medical malpractice stuff.
Oh really, Yeah that's a badge. You would have been prefect for
this one. Oh yeah, Ihave the hospital, have been there,
the baby would have been fed.Therefore it's a hospital. Fuck. Let's

(36:04):
get some more apple trees. Upon this orchard. Yeah. The nine
one one operators are doing this weirdthing during this entire call where they keep
saying like okay to things that arenot okay. Yeah, do you know
what I'm saying? Like he'll he'llbe talking about this baby's dead as a
doornail, but just another day aroundhere, and they go, okay,

(36:24):
okay, what else is going on? I'm I would be a horrible nine
one one operator because I would beflipping the fuck out. See, you
would think they would be a littlebit of um um desperation in nine eleven
operator, no matter what, you'relike, all right, let's get some

(36:45):
out, let's get some people outthere, Let's get these people out there.
Like, but there's none of thatat all. I also just listening
now. I didn't even really noticeit research in the episode, but as
we're playing these clips back, Ifeel like the operators really young. I
can kind of hear in his voiceit sounds like maybe he's not the most
experienced. You didn't think that.We'll only play one more clip of him.

(37:06):
Let me see if it's this whenhe says as dead as a doornail.
I didn't grab that clip. Ijust thought it was a weird thing
to say. Really weird expression isdead as a doornaim, we're gonna use
it as a door stuff. Ohno, well's the difference. I don't
know, there's none. There's bothsavior walls. Yeah, let me hear

(37:29):
this clip. I'm telling myself.Let's hear this clip. Let's listen to
see if the if the nine oneone voice is like maybe a little bit
young. Everybody listened together. Listen, when was the last time do you
had contact with a child? Guy? Sounds like no house last night?
Umout yesterday afternoon about three pm tobed. I'm not a doctor, you

(37:53):
know that was that. I'm nota social worker, but I'm thinking that
might be a little too early fora baby to go to bed. Three
in the afternoon. Oh look atthat, son's almost going down. Time
to get to bed, time toget to bed. And then even nocturnal
animals don't go to bed at thattime. I completely agree him, also

(38:15):
saying that it was not unnatural forthe baby to sleep sixteen to eighteen hours
a day. That's what people sayabout babies all the time. They're like,
you know what, I have ahard time waking up my baby.
That's everybody's never that's the reason whyeverybody's always tired, because the baby sleeps
so much. I honestly thought,like, does he think he's raising cats?

(38:37):
Like cats sleep twenty hours a day. You know, that's raising our
baby to be a cat. Yeah, it's it's in a litter box right
now. I don't know. Ijust all. I mean, we've said
it a couple times already, butI really just feel like this call sounds
like he's calling into like a customerservice line because he has to reset the
clock on the oven, complaining abouthis baby. Yeah, I'd like to

(38:58):
complain about my baby. I putit down yesterday at three o'clock and now
it won't wake up. Um,so anytimes I get a new baby,
yeah, well, of course.The sad truth, though, is that
the baby was starved to death,left alone for at least nineteen hours,
death by malnutrition. When paramedics arrived, the house was infested with flies.

(39:21):
The ten month old only weighed eightpounds, so like that, I honestly
thought it was like a typo.When I heard that, I was like
that camp be just skin, justskin and bones, so so gross.
When Mike talked about how long aperson takes a person to starve to death.
You're just like it was just thepain, that like it didn't have

(39:45):
enough energy to cry. Yeah,that that is just that's what stays with
me, I think more than anything. It's just it's funny. My wife
works in the medical field, andshe said something before Mike said it.
She goes, that baby didn't evenhave the energy to cry. She's like,
that baby was just so weak.It's just in pain. And yeah,
just a horrible, horrible person,both of them. Yeah, let's

(40:08):
talk about the mom too, becauseshe well, I didn't hear much other
than she was she had a goodshift at McDonald's. She definitely loved her
job at McDonald's. What's relevant tothis episode was that she said that she
breastfed the baby every day, whichwas it was clear that the baby had
not been breastfed. She said sheshe pumped all her milk at one time,

(40:31):
just like babies eat once a day. And that's it. Yeah,
and yeah, I'm sorry, Ijust have a no I'm reading right here
about this idea that it takes threeweeks to die of starvation, but obviously
less than that for the baby.Yeah, that was just that was so
messed up. I was wondering whythey didn't talk a little bit more about

(40:53):
the other children, because they musthave been starving too. Yeah, you
know, I would like to haveknown were they close to death or were
they or were they just treating thisone bad? Right? You know?
Yeah? I mean, I'll getinto it a little bit when I talk
about some of the updates that Icame across, But it did seem like

(41:14):
it was just the whole place wasjust being run like a hell house.
You know, there just wasn't reallymuch of a chance. I think even
if the kids were being fed properly, there's plenty of other psychological scars that
were Do you think you inflected onthem? Do you think when do you
think people should get more? Thereshould be extra you know how Um,
if it's a hate crime, youget more time. If it's against a

(41:37):
child, should there be more time? Should become ye, should it become
federal? I mean, I guessso, I think. I mean,
it's just like when it's against somebodywho just like has no chance of any
rebuttal or anything like that, likea little baby, like a little kid,
that's just it's not that it's totallycool if it's somebody older, but

(41:59):
I don't know something about like howbaby can't fight back in any way and
by that, you know, andthen again just having being a religious person
like Seth claims to be family andchildren like these things are pretty important to
all of that. His his hisexcuse for the baby. They had to

(42:21):
wait to see the doctor, andthen the doctor said there was something wrong
with the baby, so they hadto go, you know, uh,
send something that had child services,that had yeah, child CPS, child
protective exactly. So that was whythey didn't trust doctors, was because last
time they went to a doctor,the doctor reported them, right, And
I'm your kind of go, okay, it's child Protective Services at fault because

(42:45):
the doctor obviously noticed something and therewas obviously something there. So how did
they how were they able to continueon? Yeah? How how was the
story not resolved in that moment?Yeah, it's a great It's it's again
when we when there are stories likethis on sort and skill, you can
really stretch the blame can go prettyfar back. Um, but in this

(43:05):
case, it was pretty pretty direct. I totally understand what you're saying.
I was also curious was the momabused. Well, I could tell you
a little bit about that, tella case update that I received, But
let me tease that for one moreseconds. It because before we get into
the updates, let's wrap it upa little bit with Seth before we get

(43:28):
into his wife, because we getto hear a little bit of Seth complaining
when he's behind bars. I wantto play that real quick, because let's
hear if he's really being unfairly treated. Do you feel like they're being justly
treated? Am I being justly treatedon the inside? Yes, I am
very thankful for the um conditions thatcould be much worse. I believe I'm

(43:53):
being unfairly charged and being made anexample of for my very strong faith and
the trying times that are ahead,and being made an example of. He's
being made an example of. Iwould like to thank them for feeding me
and giving me a place, aclean place to sleep. Yeah, he's

(44:15):
so, he is being treated betterin jail than he was his little daughter.
That's a very good point. You'reright, But he's saying that nothing
he did was criminal and that youknow, it's his religious right too.
Well, that's some of these peopleand it's we don't like to argue about
it and stuff would like that.But people think they're religious because they read

(44:38):
the book, you know, andthen everything they do is not is not
the way that the Christianity is apparentlylove each other and take care of each
other and and and learn like there'sif there was no if there was no
you know, growing, we'd stillbe walking looking around in sandals and not

(45:00):
taking planes places. You know,So you got it. Yeah, it
is medical? Is it is itscary? Yes, it's scary. There's
certain things that are scary about it. But when people talk like this,
this is mental health. This guyis mental There's so so many people that
talk like this, and we can't. Let's let them talk like this.

(45:22):
They're they're they're they're talking like thisis a cry for help, and they're
they're insane there and and it's it'sit's it's it's ridiculous that because they're able
to put the religion on it,they're able to get away with it.
Yeah, because there's so many peoplethat do things like he is. But
just that just give enough to thatchild that it survives and you know,

(45:45):
it is just treated enough that itlives with them and stuff like that,
like that, like that's case thatwe're talking about, not in the case,
but the story that we're talking about, what the family of fifteen kids
or whatever it was, and andthey're weird. They just had enough that
these kids would would would live.Yeah, and one got old enough that
it escaped and was able to sayhelp us. It's a constant struggle I

(46:08):
think in the United States. Soangry I was. No, that was
good though. I like the passion, but that this sort of I think
part of the episode description of thissort in scale, which they don't really
touch on too much in the contentof the episode, but the idea that
in America, this freedom of religionis it's a very complicated issue. And
just like you're saying, there arepeople who do terrible things that then use

(46:32):
this freedom of religion as like anexplainer and that's a really shitty thing to
do. But then I think it'salso a really shitty thing to restrict what
somebody wants to do for their religion. No, I don't, I don't.
I'm if you want to do that, you know, here here's the
deal I feel, you know,if if you can't explain Santa Claus.

(46:55):
You can't explain Jesus, all right, So they're both very good stories.
So so, but that's how Ifeel like. And if you want whatever
gets you through the night, that'swhat I am. Very much like that.
But you know, when it comesif what you're doing, what you're
believing, hurts people, yeah,that's where you gotta draw that line.

(47:15):
Yeah, And it's not a freedom, Like there's freedom of speech, but
there's not freedom of consequences, soand and and and with this guy,
I also feel like if you listento him talk, it's just arrogance and
ignorance. Yeah, is very arrogant. Arrogant and his ignorance is just then
put them together and it's just nevera good thing. Aren't religious people supposed

(47:38):
to be humble? Are just supposedto be humbled by the Lord or whatever?
Yeah, just losto listeners there.I'm pretty sure religious people aren't listening
to this. Yeah, you cantell us if you are. But I'm
sure. I'm sure we're getting's abig Mormon convention, sure, but I'm
not sure. I don't want tobe disrespecting a person who does believe,

(48:00):
you've very strongly in their faith.But if part of that strength in their
faith means you have to strangle ababy before you get bed every night,
then maybe we'll have something to talkabout here. Your faith is your faith.
Yeah, it is not what youit's not what your child signed up
for. Your child signed up tolive and be, you know, be

(48:21):
treated humanely right, and that's it. And the religion part is different.
And that was one of the notesfrom this story is that this idea that
these religious exemptions kind of hurt childrenmore than it helps. Yeah, I
would say yeah, because you're righttoo. A lot of times the kids
are just they don't know any better. They shouldn't have to know any better.

(48:43):
But if your parents are fucking wackadoos, and I'm gonna say that this
is probably get us in trouble.But when you when you look at some
of these splinter group groups of religionand some religion, it's just to get
pussy. Please elaborate. It's likewhen you when you when when the guy
the guy that uh in Wayco,Texas, that was all him just he

(49:06):
figured out a way to get laidby saying everything's gonna be okay, Everything's
gonna be okay. So imiting everything'sgonna be okay, you know what I
mean. And he used the wordof the Lord and people, there's followers
out there. I think the peoplethat listen to this show have a very
strong personality, but there's people outthere that don't have strong personalities, and

(49:28):
they follow. And we all havecertain work fears, and it's all about
the same thing. We're all gonnadie at some point, and people are
scared of that. And when whenthere's a thing that's put on, it's
gonna be okay, You're not gonnadie, You're just gonna go to heaven,
you know what I mean. People, Oh, I feel good again,
you know, because it's it's it'sit's a it's a mind game,

(49:49):
and it's and it's it uses people. And and I'm not saying every religion
and I'm not. I don't knowwhich one is right and I don't know
which one is wrong. But I'mjust saying, if you look at Cirta
and things, it's a grift.Yeah, And what he's doing here is
nothing but a grift. I don'twant to work a job. I want
to have my own farm, myown I don't know anything about farming.

(50:10):
So it's everybody else's fault that Ihad these loyal customers for fucking three weeks
and then they stopped following me,and now my wife has to work at
McDonald's. You know, it's it'sa fucking grift. You have to you
own a farm, you have todo a lot of work, you gotta.
It's there's there's farmers are up atdawn and work until night. They're
not babysitting yet, you know whatI mean. Yeah, there's your fence

(50:35):
has got to look good. Yougot your place has got to look kept.
You gotta who's gonna buy, youknow, stuff off you if you're
not so, I don't know.It's just a grift. It's a there's
so many grifts out there, it'sunbelievable. And I like the word grift.
That's a great word. I'm realizingtoo that if his farm was as
uncamped as it appeared, then ofcourse that product is going to be terrible
too. Absolutely, you know,those loyal customers again, is just like

(51:00):
somebody, some nice old lady beingkind to him at the county. I'm
sure, I'm sure we'll give thisa shot. Have you ever been to
a farmer's marketing? Oh? Yes, and fat. I went to one
not that long ago up in Malibu. You're in the country, lad,
No, there's there's no markets allover South California. But they're great.

(51:20):
Yeah, they're expensive, They're they'realways expensive. Yeah. I'm not a
loyal customer to any of them.And you yeah, exactly. But you
try something and you go, thisis good, I'd buy it again,
or that was horrible. I'm notbuying again. And obviously their product was
not a good product. Exactly.Well, this guy, Seth was found
guilty of a terrible product and sentencedto life. Now he was found guilty

(51:44):
of felony murder. Your voice makesme laugh. Thank you. That's what
my wife says to first three childabuse, mandatory life in prison, no
possibility of parole, which I lovethose words in pieces like this. No
possibility of parole. Good. Idon't want to hear you're thirty years from
now, you know, saying thatyou're sorry, you're done. You're done

(52:05):
now, his wife. This iswhere my updates are because when this episode
came, gather around, I don'tknow about the update. There's everybody to
gather around, gather out everyone whenthis up. When this episode came out.
We did not know what happened toTatiana the wife of skating. She
was figure skating at McDonald's. Sheagain, this is in the episode she
pleaded no contests. She was expectedto get twenty five years in prison.

(52:30):
There's this weird thing where she gavebirth to another child while she was in
prison, and that that child isnot allowed to have contact with. So
how many kids is that total?Is that five total or four total?
Let's see three and then a fourthchild, so that would be one UM
and obviously the youngest one no longerwith us UM. But here is the

(52:52):
update. That plea of no contestshe withdrew that, which meant it did
have to go to trial. Shedecided to let a jury decide what her
punishment should be. She's a sameword and it isn't Christian. Now,
this was just a couple of weeksago. This update is this is a
hot and fresh update. It's hotand fresher than the big Mac that she
used to serve a cup of coffee, hot and steaming gaffy on your crutch.

(53:15):
So as you're listening to this,I'm not kidding. Like a couple
of weeks ago, not even amonth ago, this woman, Tatiana,
was found guilty of murder and childabuse. She testified that she was abused
and tortured by her husband, whichis what left her unable to care for
the baby. The most gruesome storyin her testimony was that Seth put a

(53:38):
gun to her head and raped her, and that he had also tried to
perform an exorcism on her when shewas pregnant with that fourth kid. But
here's the deal. I can believeall that. I believe it too.
I believe obviously those things came upthough as a way to be like,
oh, lightened my sentence, feelbad for me, look at look at

(54:00):
what my husband did to me.I shouldn't be in prison forever. She
should have been crying, she shouldhave been screaming out when they were on
nine to eleven. Yeah, nowI'm getting confused in God, not in
my mind. I know what youmean. But here's the thing. The
autopsy showed that she had not fedher baby for days, even though she

(54:20):
said that she did. And youcould just tell from the biology of the
breast, of the lips, ofthe stomach. There's all different kinds of
things you could use that would indicateif there's any food or has been any
food or breast milk, nothing atall. So on November seventeenth, twenty
twenty one, she was sentenced tolife in prison without the possibility of parole,

(54:45):
which is the felony or excuse me, the mandatory sentence for a felony
murder conviction. So I was pleasedas punched to hear that because when we
first heard this episode, I wasactually kind of wondering, like what happened
to the mom? And in mymind, I was like, you know
what, she's probably getting a prettybig sentence. But my guess is that
they would like feel bad for herand let her off the hook a little

(55:07):
bit, but apparently not sell.So I don't know did they feel like
this was justice delivered? I kindof feel like both these people, I
feel I deserved to have their livesspend in prison. Absolutely feel Do you
know what happened to the children?The other children? Do they? Because
when they go to live with thegrandparents, I sometimes I'm like, well

(55:29):
is that much better? Yeah?Because you created that piece of shit over
there? So should you get asecond shot? Right? Because I don't
know, well, I didn't seeif it was specifically with the grandparents.
Definitely, the two siblings were youknow, taken from the farm and not
allowed to have contact with their parents. I assumed that they would go to

(55:50):
some sort of family member. Onecan only hope that there is somebody normal
and that you know, immediate familythat could take responsibility. But I again,
this is an assumption here, ButI would like to think that if
in fact the grandparents are not capableof taking care of the kids, that
they wouldn't put them in that position. I would like to think that they

(56:10):
would maybe research it a little bitbetter make sure they end up in a
home that's going to be caring forthem. You know, do you think
there should be some sort of investigationon how we get to these places at
when somebody's a murderer and try tosee what what got them there and how
we can change their upgroom, Likewas it their their environment that created it

(56:37):
them being that person or were theyare you're asking, Oh, I just
think that should be part of likea police procedure. Yeah, I mean,
I guess it kind of is alittle bit, because do you think
would slow down murder if we knewwhat was being done wrong? Yeah.
I mean, I don't know,we don't need that because we needed a
lot more episodes. Yeah. Sorry, I think it's my views have changed

(56:59):
so much after hearing so many ofthese same types of stories, and I
yeah, I agree with the ideathat there should be a way to kind
of like preventatively keep the stuff fromhappening, like let's focus more on the
mental health. But there's just plentyof stories where even with that stuff in
place, it still happens. It'sjust sadly, like a weird part of

(57:23):
depravity and human behavior. I'm gonnaask, I'm gonna ask the people that
listen to this show, Yeah,send an email or tweet it. What
is there anything that could have beendone that could have prevented this? Well,
here's let me bring this into theworld of pop culture, because that's
what I love to do. There'sa little movie starring Tom Cruise called Minority
Report. Are you familiar with thisdocumentary? In that story, they have

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something called pre crime, which isagain this is really going into the depths
of some sci fi here, butthey have a group of psychics who are
able to predict when a murder willhappen. And now we have a special
task force whose job it is beforethat countdown clock runs out, get that
potential victim out of that space beforethey're going to get killed, and then

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arrest somebody for a crime that theydidn't actually commit, but we quote unquote
know that they were going to committhat crime. So now I let's take
your question. My question is likethat contextualized, like, how far are
we going to go to stop acrime? Well, it's it's learning what
created what was in that was thisperson's environment, the reason this kind of

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happened. I just think that stuffcomes out in the trial, like you
will eventually kind of learn, Butwe don't do anything to like what I'm
saying when we put the grand kidsback into that situation, if it's part
of the environment, well we're justputting more into that environment, right,
Yeah. I just I don't knowhow to how Like it just seems like

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everybody has such a complicated life.I don't know how you say, Okay,
well this is the one that's goingto become something scary, so we
better focus here on this. Idon't know. I guess everybody is trying
to do the right thing and helping, but I also don't think it should
all be like over legislated and theneverything's just being monitored. Like I just
feel like that can spin out akid that can spin out control. But

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I don't know, There's got tobe something because why is there so much
murder now than before? Like whywhen we talk about when I, when
we were kids, we could runaround stupid and free. Why is why
why have we grown to make thatnot available? Yeah? Like, what
what are we doing? You know? The gene pool, man, it's

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a gene for all. We're alljust too many. Everybody's related, everyone's
related. It's the gene pool isjust going down the toilet. We're living
We're living proof, We're living proof. It's plazer shit. And what a
wonderful note to end this holiday specialepisode on huh Hi? I did like,

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how about twenty minutes ago you startedto bring Santa Claus back into the
fold again? And I say,oh, we were only that much closer
to the hour. We could havewrapped it. Oh, I could have
just said and to a good night, than to all a good night well
in all sincere and all sincerity,thank you guys all for listening to this
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