Episode 166

Don't forget your inhaler... no one is safe from this week's episode dealing with Edwin Lara- an out of control college campus security officer on a murderous rampage.

Episode Transcript

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Welcome to Sort and Scale Rewind withyour hosts Matt Fondelier and Ian Bag.

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Hey, what's going on, everybody? Welcome back to Sort and Scale Rewind.
I'm one of the hosts of theshow. My name is Matt Fondelier
and I'm joined once again by ahilarious comedian and someone who hosts another podcast,
Enjoying Orange Slices with Jeff and Ian, which is, believe it or
not, the fourth most popular hockeypodcast in Australia. Bag, Hello,

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everybody, I'm not from Australia.Just because everybody hears that introduction like he
must be from Australia. I'm not. It's just popular in Australia for no
unknown reason. Yeah. So,well, I think that whole country is
still in lockdown. So they arereally hang hockey right now. There's not
much else to do. They're notlocked own. They're just having a they
don't want to go inside of You'veseen the side of spiders there and they're

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just like, oh my god,stay inside people. I remember being fascinated
by Australia as a young kid andthen reading in a travel book that's something
like nine of the ten most dangerousanimals in the world all live in Australia.
That's so true. Maybe it's notgonna happen. My mom is from
Australia, so we used to goback and forth. So that's a long

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flight on and I'm not giving awayhow old I am fifty, but back
then the flights were even longer becauseyou stopped three times you stopped. And
so we started in Terrace where Igrew up. Then we started and then
we went to Vancouver and we ona plane and that went to Hawaii and
then I think we stopped in Fijior some like other island on the way

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and it was horrible long as akid because there was only one movie wall
just on the one screen. Yes, yeah, I was thinking about that.
Kids they just don't understand. Theydon't understand. And also the headphones
you had to wear, the littlefoam a little so painful, I know,
and it was just like it wasjust hollow. It was just like
somebody yelling into a two that alsowas exactly you could never hear it.

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Yeah, I was thinking the otherday, I was walking by through a
restaurant and I saw somebody eating bythemselves in a restaurant, which used to
be kind of a strange, almostsad site. But now the guy's sitting
there with an iPad and he's watchinga movie, right, and he's like
he's by himself, but he's justchowing out watching a movie, like he's
at home. And I thought,you know, the stigma of ye out

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alone, like he should be shamedfor this, like they'll get some friends,
should be shamed. But he's lovingit. He's living his life,
you know, table for loser,for losing, but not now a table
for a movie reviewer. That's right, Maybe that's what he does. Maybe
it was a restaurant and movie reviewerat the same time. Wow, really
killing two birds so good? Somuch money involved in that? Well,

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hey, listener, Hey too muchfun? Too much fun? Yeah,
we're not a lot of fun onthe show. Now. All we do
is have fun on the show.We talk about murder, but we try
to make it fun and funny foryou. This is episode one hundred and
sixty six, Oh my God,which is as close to the Devil's number
as we're going to get at leastfor twenty more years. And know the
way he pumps these out, Yeah, I could get there pretty soon.
We would like happen really quick.Yeah, just social media was okay whatever.

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By the way, Happy holidays,Merry Christmas was coming on Christmas time.
Oh yeah, this might even beyour Christmas present. Imagine getting up
on Christmas morning and running to listento this. Yeah, unwrapping your iPhone,
which you are you wrapped specifically forthis purpose, new headset. Yeah,
come welcome everyone, Christmas time,Christmas time is is here one sixty

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six. Whatever holidays you celebrate.We're hope you're safe and happy out there.
And yes, nothing says Christmas liketalking about murder. Right. I
hope you've married somebody nice that hasn'tgone off and murdered somebody at work.
Right. This episode is a completetrain wreck of an episode, not in
the way that it's made, butjust in the story itself. The story
is just it's it's it's kind ofcome on a lot. It's kind of

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funny. It's kind of because,first of all, the wife has become
a cop and nothing reads cop abouther. Yeah, it's just like missing
all the signs at home. Yeah. It does seem like a something that
would be like in a TV movieor something where like you're an officer and
you don't know that your own significantother is secretly a killer. Yeah,

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the jail at home or something likethat. Yeah on Hallmark. Now off,
Mike, you were saying that yourexperience listening to this episode was like
a weird deja vu because you thoughtyou are he knew the whole story.
Well that that that part with thewife, I knew, So I knew.
I know, I've heard something likethat before, So I don't know

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if we've already talked about something thatwas kind of like that, but I
remember the description. But what Iso, I thought I was listening to
the wrong episode, so I startedit twice. But then I remember the
first part was Mike talked about hisdog that he had forever. Yeah,
which so I'm like, I neverknew that Mike had had a dog.
He's known as a cat guy tome, a duck guy to me.

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Very true, but I didn't knowhe had a dog. So when he
heard I had a dog, andthen of a sudden, I was like,
oh my god, a dog.Well I didn't know that, so
I couldn't know the story because hewas yeah, so this must be new.
So I was back to it,and then I started and then I
started feeling because I couldn't feel allthe pain and Mike about the dog,
Yeah, I could feel everything aboutit. So fuck you Mike for having
such a great voice and be ableto describe that, because I could feel

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the pain. When our dog Roxydied. Who Roxy? Uh? My
wife found her in a ditch whenshe was eighteen years old. My wife,
not the dog, and the dogwent to Hawaii with her, went
to college with her and was withher, and then I came into her
life ten years into into Roxy,and when she died, she died in

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my arms. But I had toget on a plane the next morning and
go do shows and leave my wifeand my mother in law flew in and
took over. But I could feel, I knew all that pain right there.
I was just like, oh,fuck you, Mike. We had
to put our one of our catsdown last year right around this time,
which was fucking devastated, devastated,And we have a dog that is kind

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of a not the exact story thatyou've just told, but situation is the
same in that it's a dog thatmy wife had before I was in her
life, and I'd never had adog before I was. I only had
cats growing up, So this dogis my first dog, and he's definitely
getting older, he's definitely got somehealth issues, and we're I'm just like,
it's gonna be fine. It's gonnabe fine. It's gonna be Oh

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it's not, it's it's gonna befine. You're gonna be so crushed.
I'm sure I remember. I mean, hopefully it's still many years away.
But who well, yeah, metoo, but still at some point.
I remember when Roxy died, liketwo weeks later. I was just walking
down the street and one of theneighbors said, whereas rocksy and I just
started crying. I was just like, yeah, yeah, why do you

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dogs have to die? Fucking murderingassholes get to like live in prison forever.
It's so bizarre, right, sobizarre. It's not fair, Yeah,
should it should be just as easyto put one of those people down.
He's a dog. I had afriend and I had to stop being
friends with him because he worked ata pound and he loved putting dogs down.
What. Yeah, Okay, I'mglad you're not friends with There's no

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way they actually liked that. Theyhe was just like, oh, it's
Thursday. I get to kill allthe dogs. I'd like, dude,
he lived in Denver. I waslike, I can't be friends with you
anymore. Don't you want to livein that same state? Yeah? Is
his ex wife managed the club andDenver. That's how I knew him.
I was like, I think heprobably should break She probably didn't know he
was a murderer, just like thislady in the Yeah, way to bring

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it back around. I like that. I'm good by the way. I
never met Mike's dog, but Iagree with that. I'm glad that he
like helped connect Mike to like thegirl that he's still with. Like,
Yeah, dogs are amazing. Dogsare great. And though he the way
he did it, I don't care. I don't care how you feel about

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Mike. I just kissed into theair for Ian. Did not just kiss
me kiss the air? I didn't. I guess I just give you a
kiss on the forehead. Um.But the way he did it, just
rescuing a dog and having it comeinto his life and be part of it,
and you're just giving it a betterlife. Yeah, be more like
that, people, Yeah, seemore like that than Johnny fucking dipshit.

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I'm gonna work at the college asa security garden, and okay, I'm
gonna stop you right, I'm gonnastop me right here and everybody else right
here. I don't feel like thisis that guy's only crime. Oh yeah,
I wrote down, probably through mynotes, like there's no way this
is the first time way, soI looked in it. I'm like the
fact that they didn't investigate more blewmy mind. But I'm guessing there was

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just nothing had happened like that.I guess the only time he got caught.
You know, we hear stories aboutlike abuse of power all the time.
I'm assuming if he had tried thatshit on a college campus earlier,
you know, minus the whole killingpart. But if he had like approached
some student and then put them inthe backseat of the car without any cause

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or circumstance, I assume that personwould raise a fuss about it. Doesn't
seem like the kind of environment wherehe would just keep getting away with it.
But in other contexts, who thehell knows. Man, Well,
if he's looking for those kind ofpeople at that time of night, they're
not necessarily going to be a collegestudent, right, So maybe he has

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done but it hasn't been a collegestudent. That's why it hasn't come back
on them. Well, the factwe're shocked and surprised I had a good
opinion. Excuse me, sorry aboutthat. You know how you're choking on
a coffee because it didn't have anyflavor of gingerbread in seasonal. It's so
appropriate. We were talking before themice heated up about gingerbread flavored Mountain dew

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Is discovered. I seen it.I didn't discover, I just seen it.
I just seen it on TV.I was like, are you sir?
No, no, thank you.They're doing all the like holiday flavors.
I'll take apple cider. I'll justtake apple cider. Is that you
go to? Well, I'm justsaying it. Yeah, sure I went
not Actually, yes, it ismy go too. Now do you like
pumpkin flavored anything? Yeah? Ohyeah, I'm a big proponent of the

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pumpkin flavor. I feel like itgets way too much flack really, so
I'm surprised you're mad about the gingerbread. Well, here's the thing. I
don't want it in my like spikedseltzer. I don't want right in yeah,
yeah, my soda. Like I'lltake a cherry coke. But I
don't need I don't need fucking pumpernickel. You know, coke? No,
thanks, no good, I don'tneed to turn up coke. Yeah,

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enough of the flavors here. Yeah, they do get to look crazy.
We peeked at Cherry Vanilla. It'snever gonna get better. Cherry Vanilla
is good. Yeah, Cherry Vanillais fine, and then Cherry's fine.
But then you put them together.You're like to quote you earlier, why
saying that he's saying there's a puttyin my mouth and everyone's coming. How
do we get back track again andgoing in for a good conversation. Ah,

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but seriously, we're talking about thiscollege campus, right, Dick,
and the fact that this can't possiblybe his first time. I remember what
I was gonna say now. Inthe story, he talks about approaching the
victim and he asks her if she'sa prostitute. I think he uses a

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much different more than that, butasks her a if she's a prostitute,
and be if he can pay herfor sex. The very act of asking
those questions seems to me like somethingrehearsed and practiced before. I don't think
it's the first time he's asked itwasn't his first place sex worker if he
could pay them to have sex withhim. Well, also, if you

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go back to it, she kindof felt like he was cheating the wife.
Yeah, so you knew things likethat were going on. And it
doesn't sound like he had the giftof the gab. Whenever you got this
guy talk, it wasn't you know. Now, we weren't convinced by his
story and he did not have itgoing on very well. Yeah was,

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And I might be skipping too farahead, and you can yell at me
and tell me I've gone too farahead. Sure, But when they described
the car that he had that forthe college, I was just a security
car because he had two cars.Yeah, I was like, what the
you're supposed to be just showing upand being the buffer until the cops show
up and all the things that theyhad. I was just like, what

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are they preparing for what's going onat your college that your security guards need
a bulletproof vest? Yeah, thatwas what I was wondering too. Some
frat party must have gotten really outof control one time. How about the
bumper, like they had the pushbumper on the front, Like, yeah,
are you hitting kangaroos in the ditch? Like what's going? Like that
doesn't make sense? Yeah, likeall those things I had on that car,
I was just like, what theSo. I have a few friends

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that were very interested in community serviceand one of them is a police officer
now in San Diego, and theother one he's actually an attorney now,
but for a long time, hewas like a parole officer, and he
had him he was in the likethe Coachella Valley area, Yeah, sort

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of very eastern Desert Ea, California, getting closer to the Arizona border.
And this guy, my friend hadto drive around this town in like a
cruiser and dealt with a lot ofcriminals because he was like a parole officer.
But overall, he was trying todo the thing. And I think

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a lot of people get involved inthese community service jobs not to do the
right thing, but because it allowsyou to be in a position of power.
And this guy, Edwin Laura,seemed very content with the fact that
he could look and pretend to bea regular police office. Well that's the
thing that I thought. I thought, and there's a lot of people like

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this, Like you say, hedidn't have the goods to be a cop.
Yeah, so you're the charm.We had to man the gift of
the game. Yeah, but it'sjust there's no way he's going to become
a cop. So this was theeasy route to have those kind of powers.
But I felt like they had giventhem too much power. Oh.
Absolutely, it was very, veryeasily exploited, Like they do weird psychological

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tests all the time with people whoare experimenting with what happens when like the
people are in power over other peopleand it really just becomes this thing that
you can't help but embrace in oneright, Do you feel like a security
guard on a college campus should havemore power than a security guard at a
target. Hm. I I feellike I put them on the same level.

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I'd be supposed to. No,I think you should. I think
that person's supposed to be the bufferand tell the actual authorities get there.
Yeah. And I felt like toomany times we make those college or campus
are not even the campus security guardsthe actual police. Yeah, I feel
like I'm okay with giving them ataser. I would give them. I'd

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be willing to give these guys ataser because you feel like they're going to
chaste themselves mostly probably because they'll dothat. But that's about as far as
I'm willing to go. Because ifsomebody needs to be like temporarily incapacitated or
something, I feel like one ofthose little stun gun things you know,
you know, even if you hitthe rod, I feel a big flashlight

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something you can hit somebody with.Yeah, and that to me, it'd
be more dangerous. You could totalclock somebody's fucking head open with a taser
can and take somebody down, likenot tell them. Sometimes they can flip
their heart if they got a badheart. Yeah, I feel like you
can smoke a college get in thehead and he won't won't hurt him as
much as that. This is ripefor testing. Ian. Look, let's
get some volunteers. If you're listeningto this, let's put us together.

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Yeah, let's do a poll.Would you rather have me hit you with
a taser stun gun or have Ianclock you in the face flashlight? I
like your to respond. Let usknow. You could follow him in a
Twitter and Matt Bondalier and it's notyou would you rather have your kid taste?
But ye are going to college?Yeah? Yeah, here's the scenario
your kid has just been granted afluoride scholarship at UCLA. Problem is,

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at a certain point one of thefollowing might happen, taste or bunked on
the head. Yeah. Oh,remember remember back in the day when when
head injuries were just laughed at andyou're called cold and pussy in and get
back up. That's rights. WhenI was a kid, I played some
team sports. Was terrible at allof them, but the most humiliating of

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all was playing baseball because my momhad heard stories of kids getting hit in
the head with a baseball, andso I was the kid who had to
wear the helmet with the big pretentivescreen like over my face, basically like
a catcher's mitt, even though itwas a batty helmet, which, let
me just tell you, it's hardenough to hit the ball when you don't
know what you're doing, but Ican't fucking see the ball. It's also

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a huge problem when you're not strongenough to keep that whole monthstros study up.
Yeah, yeah, I can.I can say that we're kind of
along the same lines. Yeah.When I first started playing hockey, my
mom made sure I had a fullvisor. Okay, I didn't have shin
pads. I'm just like, allright, mom, Yeah, to make
a decision. Everybody I think ourselvesare not They're definitely gonna bounce them on

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my knees. Yeah, well theirmom's okay, that's their job about our
safety. We're not drinking wine therein charge. Yeah, that's right.
I meant to ask you, didyou go to college. You have in
like college campus experiences? No,So I I went to go to college
and stand up started and I didn'tshow up. That was that was my

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thing I was going to I wantedto be an explosives engineer. That's what
I was going to college for.And stand up. I tried stand up
before I went to college, andI'm like, nope, I'm not standing
it because this is back in theday when you had to stand in line
to pick your courses. So andmost people got there much earlier than I
didn't got all the good ones.So uh yeah, I just I was

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just like, nah, I'm notgonna do it. It's not gonna what's
there, what's there that's gonna helpme? And stand up? And little
did I think that marketing would havebeen a great thing to take sure nobody
told me, Well, listen,I went to college and I didn't take
any business classes, so I alsofeel like marketing would have been a really
good thing to take, but youknow, just wasn't interest. God.

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Yeah, I'm an idiot, sowere you. It's true. Part of
maybe think about it, though,was a little later in the story when
they're talking about how this guy edwinafter he kidnapped. Didn't bonk this girl
on the head, as you solightly put it, except with the rock.
He like took her to this otherpart of campus because he was the
campus security guard. He knew allthe like knooks and crannies of the campus.

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And it just reminded me of whenI was a kid freshman in college,
got my first like college girlfriend,and just wandering the campus, like
finding little makeout spots and trying toavoid the campus security guards. And just
when you go into big college campus, there's all kinds of places where things
can be done well. The Universityof British Columbia borders along a nude beach,

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really wrecked beaches right beside. Ohmy god, so that's where your
studies were. That's why I didn'tshow up a college. I was next
star Son of my balls. Yeah. Yeah, it's funny that there's all
those those kind of nooks and crannieson because I've done a lot of colleges
and stand up and you can getlost. You're just trying to go to

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they give you a map and suddenlyyou're just in the woods for no apparent
Yeah, it's wild. I mean, I really missed those college campus days,
but I remember just going on toursof college campuses and just it is
like going to a city in somecases, that's just wild. I want
to circle back to circle back.Let's circle back. Let's go back to
kind of the way this episode opens, which is with Edwin's wife. It's

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kind of from her perspective. Wetalked about her a little bit at the
beginning, that she was a policeofficer in training, and this idea that
she went to bed and her husbandcame home at some point in the night
and she doesn't really know what time, but in the morning he's being a
little bit shifty and acting a littlebit weird. But they are definitely going

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to go to church together. Togo to church, gotta go to Pizza
Hut for dinner the night before.I forgot about that detail. I was
going to bring it up, howmuch how great is Pizza Hut? You
know, it's reminds me of mychildhood, totally reminds me. So it
was my birthday a couple of weeksago, and my wife said what he
wanted to do, and I said, I want to go to pizza really,

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because I reminded me, try tofind a pizza that you can dine
in. They still have their redplastic cups. They don't have any dining
rooms anymore, and not like theclosest one we could find was Baker's Field
that had a planeup. We're like, going there, not going to Baker's.
Yeah, that's crazy. Yeah.Um. So these this couple,
though, they go to Pizza Hutand he leaves the windows down on his

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car and then something he's never donebefore. But he says it's because the
hot day. We know now that'sbecause he had at some point there was
a body in that car. Ididn't clue into that. I didn't clue
into the fact that he had putthe body into that car. I always
thought it was in the police notthe police see see I even say a
police vehicle because it's described Yeah,just the white yes, as the college

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security vehicle. I didn't think thatit had ever gone into the police field,
I mean to his vehicle. Sothat was one of the crazy parts
of this story, was that hekept moving the body, right, he
but I always thought it was withthe college. Well guess what, let
me blow your mind. Get ready, it wasn't. It was with his
light blue Nissan Ultima. He lefthis job after he killed her, he

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like dumped her body, and thenthere was a whole thing where he was
going to have to clock out ofhis shift, and he was really nervous
to talk to like his boss orsomething, right, covered in blood.
And then after he's left, hegoes into his personal car, and then
from the personal car, he goesback and picks up the body, takes

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it to a second location, atsome point changes his mind again and takes
the body to a third location.So that body has been in that personal
car in two different occasions. Butit was so it was like right after
they went to church the next dayand the windows were open. That's why
that's why I didn't click into that. Yeah, well, I don't think
the body was in the car,but I'm sure he was cued into some

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kind of lingering smell, you knowthat she was like, Oh this pizza,
that's weird. This pizza, it'sweird. Resod buddy, Yeah,
was he was. He was obsessedwith that girl too, right, the
girl that he killed, Like that'sI kind of got that feeling. That's
why he was moving her to seeher a couple more times. Oh interesting,
like not obsessed with her before,but obsessed with her like once it

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happened. Yeah. Yeah, becausethey said he was having sex with a
dead body. Yeah, so gross, right, so creepy that again,
I meant the word I used earlierwas just train wreck. This story just
starts out as this little fraction ofinformation that he's like a campus security guard

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and he may have hit somebody withhis car. And then you find out
that he like smashed her head witha rock and that he can find her
behind the car, and that heraped her. And then he, as
we'll get into, he just goeson this murder spree with you know,
with hostages, and it's just likeevery minute of this story it just gets

(24:03):
worse and worse. It just soso he says it that he hit her
with the wife catches on why becausehe wasn't he was acting weird right right?
Yeah? So why I usually orderpepperoni pizza, but this time you
order pepperoni pizza, your vegetarian.Why would you get that? You know
it's Jesus Day? Why would youdo that? Um? So they come
back and she thinks that he's gonnaleave her. Yeah, she just thinks

(24:27):
that he's being a little quiet andmaybe he's like having an affair or something,
like he's clearly working something out inhis own mind. Yeah, and
then he finally comes clean kind ofand tells this person that I smack somebody
with my car. Therefore I hittheir body. Yeah, and their bloody
clothing is in our shed. Ifyou don't believe it was so bizarre like

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that that whole movie. Why andshe's supposedly a cop. Yeah, like
none of those actions makes sense.Well, you know what you do when
you hit somebody with your car,You take him to the fun in hospital.
That's what you do to them.A nine one one call will suffice
something, just something in the beginning. Acknowledge that this happened. Let that
be a lesson kids. If hehit somebody with your card, don't kill
them afterwards. Yeah, seriously.Well, I don't think he ever hit

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her with a car, and nopoint. That was a story. Yeah,
that was the story. And thenhe takes his wife's gun and says,
I gotta go her steps in theshed. If you don't believe me,
I'm out piece and then he justgoes on the run. And then
she only in this moment when she'sopened up the shed door and sees the

(25:34):
bloody purse or whatever, does shesuddenly realize that this is all this is
actually happening. Okay, so canI. I didn't really get the timeline
because they're so they're looking at theboyfriend has called the cops by this time,

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and they're already looking for this girlthat has kind of vanished, right,
Yes, Is this not Sunday?Is this Monday when he takes off.
I'm not exactly sure when he takesoff, but I know that the
man hunt definitely intensified on Monday.There was a whole thing about how they
were trying to be cool about itabout her disappearing, but they knew she

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loved her job and they just assumedshe's got to come to that shift on
Monday morning. And then when shedidn't show up to that shift. That's
when everybody like started to really flipout. And that's when and that's when
the wife goes into the into thecops, right right, Because the idea
is that the wife and her killerhusband are the only two people who know
that this girl isn't missing, it'sthat she's actually dead. And so I

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think Edwin takes off, she startsto the wife starts to see all these
reports and the whole community's trying tofind this woman, which I must have
happened around Monday, because that wouldhave been when all of the real reporting
starts happening. And then that's whenthe connections made and they also make they
also that around that same time,they go from missing persons to homicide,

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right yeah, I mean finding thebloody purse probably not great. Yeah,
not looking good. Then I canonly imagine if there's DNA evidence or something
in the back seat of that car. I mean, all that stuff is
is going to be examined pretty closely. Yeah, it's you know, she's
basically the wife knows at that pointand has told him that she's killed her,

(27:26):
right yeah, so they know,Well, there's the whole interrogation scene,
which I always love these types ofscenes where it's the killer just trying
to weasel their way out of whateverthe fuck they actually did, and then
police officers trying to pry the informationout of him. And this one is

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it's just an all timer because thecops that are interrogating him are really trying
to get down on the level withhim, and they're trying to talk to
him with some street language lots man'sand dudes and dude, man, come
on, dude, man, thisman, come on, man, like,
there's a lot of that. Man. You gotta help us, man,
don't you want to smoke the weedwith us? Yeah, that's exactly

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what it sounds like. I definitelywant to play some clips because I got
some good ones here, But thisfirst one I think is very telling.
This to me distills the entire argumentdown, which is when Edmund approached Edwin,
Edwin, sorry, Edmund, Wellthat's who you have to fill out
the forms for your taxes. Yeah, that's Edmund. That's true. Right.

(28:33):
When Edwin approaches Kaylee the victim,was he there to hurt her or
was he there to help her?Because he was a campus security officer.
So that's what the detectives are talkingto him about in this clip. I
think she honestly thought that I wasgoing to do something. You were man

(28:57):
right now, you were you aswas here. Yes, we let me
back up, Let me back upright, Yeah, let's circle back.
You saw that girl and you pickedher up. Were your intentions to help
her because you're a security guard onthe campus and people look up to you.

(29:19):
Was your intent to find some wayto help her or was your intent
to find a way of either bypaying for sex or taking sex? And
when things went soil, you knewyou had to kill her because now the
person she looks to for safety andsecurity wants something from ear she doesn't want
to give it. Just the imageof this campus safety officer being at the

(29:44):
center of this crime, and that, to me is what's one of the
more memorable parts about this episode.Was that this figure who you think is
supposed to be Legs makes it scary, right, Yeah, Is that your
safe house is not not? Yeah? How about the fact that he's just
asking if you're a hooker? Likethere's just hookers walking around the campus,
right, I Mean that's what Iwas saying earlier too. Like the fact

(30:07):
that that question would even cross hismind. It just shows you that this
is like something that he does.He must go into the city and ask
for for sex workers. This girlsmust this is girls way off for beating
tracks. Yeah, and like thisgirl is And we should actually talk a
little bit about how Kaylee kind ofended up in this wrong place, wrong

(30:29):
time, because that's a pretty interestingpart of the story too. It is
interesting, but it's just it's that'slife, like just just one situation leads
to another, and sometimes it leadsinto a great thing, and sometimes you're
just like, what the fuck didI get myself into? Yeah, and
this poor girls just made a decisionthat's innocent. Yeah, like her and

(30:51):
a boyfriend or fighting, I'm gonnacool down, yeah while walk Yeah,
I think we've all been there before. Everybody, like a million of us
have done it. And she's theonly one that's you know, I'm sure
she might not be the only onethat's had that happened. Yeah metaphorically though,
I'm saying, yeah, it's crazy. There were so many people in

(31:12):
this story that are just there atthe wrong time. Like a little bit
later when he's basically switching cars andthere's just like some old man at a
hotel, like checking into his hotelroom and he gets like shot in the
stomach and gets his car's jacked,like wrong place, wrong time. It
was a funny story about the oldman though. He was moving furniture into

(31:34):
the motel eight. He's just like, what, I'm like, I need
specific things in my motel a room, Yeah, exactly. Yeah. But
going back to just the this initialcrime, it's just it's so disgusting to
me how he knocks her out,rapes her while she's still kind of alive

(31:59):
it sounded like, and then dragsher out into the woods to like finish
her off, and then I'm assumingfinishing himself off. And do you think
do you think he killed her ordo you think he left her there kind
of half alive? Do you thinkas a toy because she was his toy?
Absolutely? Yeah. I mean Iwould assume once you've bashed somebody's face

(32:20):
into so that it's unrecognizable, thatI didn't even think of that, Like
at that point, I think hejust he was done with her. I
don't think it even really occurred toher if she was like dead dead or
mostly dead. I forgot when theydescribed that it was just I didn't like
until you said that. Until yousaid that just now, I didn't get
the part where she was unrecognizable.I just thought, Oh, she's just

(32:43):
been there a while, so she'sunrecognized. Yeah, but he's bashed her
face in, that's right, andthey can only id her by the like
tattoo on her wrist, which goddamn, it's just so fucked up.
I hope this guy gets his headbashed in. Yeah, well he's got
he's got a long time ahead ofhimself and that uh, yeah, he's
gonna be there for a while place. But also, did you find it

(33:06):
weird that he shot the old man? I mean weird only in that this
entire thing is fucked right, there'snothing that makes sense. It's funny you
said it before I consider them characters, and I was just like, oh,
it's a story. The story doesn'tmake sense like that. That was
how I just went there, right, Yeah, who's writing this? Yeah,
who's right? It doesn't Mike,Yeah, it was just I found

(33:28):
it. So I'm like, well, he walks away so many times.
He's not getting anything out of thisguy, like he everybody that he's hurt
so far is about sex. Yeah, you know, I think in every
instance, most of them, mostof the time it was about having sex.
But it's about getting the thing thatyou want. And if somebody is

(33:50):
going to stop you from getting whatyou want, you're going to remove that
that opposition. So even though hedidn't want sex from this guy, he
wanted a car from that guy.And if there was even one percent of
a struggle or did not give himwhat he wanted immediately, then he was
just going to eliminate it. Andwe mentioned earlier the bulletproof vest. Again,
he doesn't need that for most ofthis ordeal, but having that on

(34:16):
makes you feel invincible. I didn'tYeah, they didn't let you know he
was wearing it until like yeah,which I mean, I don't even know
if he actually was. I guessthat they said that that was like part
of the gear that you yet forbeing a kid. Therefore, he may
have had it on him, butthey didn't say it for sure that he
had it on. Shall we goto the Shall we go to when he

(34:37):
gets his first car? Yeah,let's do it. This is now the
story is now shifted to a differentcity, Salem, Organ And there's a
girl. Her name is Andrea.Andrea who's just getting off work. And
this was another just terrifying image,Thanks Mike, never be able to sleep
again, of her just in hercar after work, you know, in

(34:59):
this locked car, playing with her, a little catching up on all our
emails, playing farting, is probablydoing a little farting. Yeah, that's
why the windows cracked open. Allright, we all know why she's had
a long, long day at workingunstown for her to release something again,
we have all, yeah, alldone this. Who hasn't, Who hasn't.
And then the just instantaneous nature ofcrime, you know, like you

(35:24):
just don't think it's going to happen, and then next thing you know,
she's got a gun on her face, this dude's in the car, and
off they go. Yeah, wellwas it about this part of the story
that sit out to you? Well, the fact that she was he knew,
he knew that he wanted a girl. You that that's why he took

(35:45):
that car. Yeah, he knewhe wanted a hot girl, and apparently
she was hot. Right. Ididn't look into it, but well I
didn't And I say, I say, he wanted a hot girl, but
apparently she was hot to him?Sure, right, So I don't know
what she looked like, because aswe go along, he tries to have
sex with her, and she comesup with the greatest plan ever, incredible

(36:09):
plan. They're just like, Ineed to take my medication because I've got
her pies. Yeah, and myalarm goes off and I was just like,
oh man, because I almost threwup when they talked about him nibbling
on her ear right now, Iwas just like, oh my god,
so disturbed. I was like Ialmost gone well, even just the lead

(36:31):
up to it, it made mesick to my stomach. This whole idea
that he like made her pretend tobe the girlfriend and you know, don't
make eye contact with the hotel clerkbecause I'll kill him and kill you and
I don't care, and makes herlike hold hands with her, and she's
talking to the clerk and trying tocommunicate to him with these little like micro

(36:52):
expressions, but there's no way thisclerk has any idea what's going on.
And then when they get into theroom, this part just fucking gross me
out so much, which was thehandcuffing to the bathroom door, the blindfolding,
and then making her take sleeping pillsright and then, as you were
saying earlier, the nibbling of theear lobe, but just made my stomach

(37:15):
churn to just think of her fightingto stay awake while all this is happening.
I thought, you know a lotof that one part. Let's circle
back when he checks in. Doyou think what year was? Just like,
I can't remember what year this was. This was twenty sixteen to twenty

(37:38):
sixteen, So do you think muchhas changed in the hotel motete hotel motel
industry, so they would be onthe lookout for a guy his age with
a girl that age just in general, just in general, I mean I
probably not. I feel like thoseyou know, those motel business you know,

(37:58):
those CD motels, they got agoing right with you know, rented
by the hour. You don't thinkpeople are asking questions? I guess so,
But it just seems like so easyfor human trafficking. Yeah, like
those motels are going to be theones that their people are going to go
to, of course, And Ithink that human trafficking is a legit problem,
and probably for these same reasons.I think this stuff is definitely happening

(38:20):
all the time, right and thisso that's why I was wondering if they
you know, I don't know Iwould. I don't know how you put
a stop to that. But itwas something that when I heard the story,
I was just like, Yeah,they shouldn't have They should have known
something, should have been known bythe desk clerk, that this girl was
uncomfortable. Yeah that this this,this may have been a problem. But

(38:43):
how do you how do you callin everything? Oh, there's an uncomfortable
girl, can you check on it? Right? You know? I don't
know how Where where the line is? Sure? You know? I think
all of these That's what I'm saying. This the whole industry of giving somebody
a room for the night. Ijust feel like you are dealing with shady
people all the time. It's justpart of the business. And I don't

(39:07):
know how. I don't think youreally can regulate it. People expect to
have a little bit of privacy whenthey're like on a vacation. That's what
I'm saying, Like, where's theline right? Where where is the line?
You don't want to You don't wantto just because you're with your daughter.
You don't want to be called checkedin and you're checking into hotel being
right? You know, all thecops are showing up to make sure.
Yeah, exactly right, totally,and this girl just had the longest night

(39:31):
ever. And then this idea thatthey just kept driving and driving and driving,
and she just never knew when theywere gonna stop. And then again,
like you would see in a moviewhen like a police officer shows up
three quarters of the way through themovie, he's gonna save her. Nope,
the killer's standing right there and killsthe police officer, and now all

(39:51):
hope is lost. This is likeexactly what happens in this story with this
old man. And now like hercar's leaking oil for some rea and they
didn't explain, but she's got tobe thinking, we're done now, right,
He's got to let me go now. And then he kidnaps a grandma
and two kids who talk their wayout of being kidnapped, and she's so

(40:15):
bizarre that that they because they don'treally say that the ground it's I was
upset about this part of the storybecause it just stopped. I needed to
know more about what happened to grandmaand the two boys once they're just dumped.
Yeah, they're just like abandoned bythe side of the room. Yeah,
because now people they're still really notlooking for him, right, Yeah,

(40:38):
like they're treating it kind of.I'm guessing on that side, like
Grandma and Grandpa's car has just beenstolen by somebody, but he's told the
kids, I've murdered two people.Yeah, so you think it would just
be all points bolting everybody, justlike Chopper, let's go, let's go
looking for him. I don't reallydo that, they don't. I mean,

(41:01):
I think everything was just happening soquickly, Like I don't really know
how much time has passed from whenthese people are being left on the side
of the road to when the copshave started to really start this giant chase
that kind of ends this episode.Um, I did want to play before
we get too far away from it. We play a lot of nine one

(41:22):
one operator conversations on this show.But there's this moment where these two very
nice ladies are talking to one anotherabout the man who's just been shot at
the motel, and it reminded me. I can't remember the name of the
sketch, but Saturday Night Live withlike Molly Shannon and Anna Gastar are like
they're good times, good times.You know, I'm talking about it.

(41:43):
They're like the public radio. Sothese sweaty chocolatells, Yes, exactly,
the sweaty balls. Yeah. Sothis is a clip of two nine one
one operators who sound like NPR.It's great, Noman, What sure,
it's Karen at HPI. Hey,I just transferred a call to Medical Sprete

(42:06):
Motel. The manager there said,there's a gentleman who says, you got
shot in the stomach. He's layingdown and we're one zero eight, one
zero eight, all right, karenlokay for the guys. He saying,
Okay, I'm gonna go go talkto the guys. Okay, it's more
of a Minnesota call than what thatis. I want always show this terrible

(42:31):
one zero eight. I felt likeshe was fake writing it down right,
Yeah, and I understand these ladiesare just doing their job, but you
can't have a theory. I havea theory of there. Those two are
hooking up, but they had toplay it off like they aren't hooking up,
so they had to protect make itall that. Oh hey, hi,
but no, yeah, um,I forgot, by the way,

(42:54):
I forgot to play this clip earlier, which is during the interrogation scene scene
again with this with this language.But you guys know what I'm saying.
During the interrogation when the two copslike, come on, man, come
on, tell us the truth,man Edwin says one of my favorite things,
which is something along the lines.Up, look what you guys are
saying, it makes perfect sense.But and then blah blah blah. Generally,

(43:17):
if they are what they're saying makesperfect sense, you're busted. Yeah,
you're busted. All right, herewe go. We're missing something here.
Look man, yeah, I knowwhat you guys are thinking, and
it makes perfect sense. It doesbecause why would you ask for her person?
What was in your head that madeyou want her purse? Sorry?
Just like that part is like whatyou guys are saying. I was looking

(43:37):
for condoms. Yeah, it makesperfect sense. She was a sex worker.
I wanted to get condoms. Thatdon't say that I said she was
a sex worker. He thought thatshe was a sex worker. It was
it was that whole he's how doeshe get hired? Like who the who
hires that guy? Like he reeksof grease, Like it's just so greasy,

(43:58):
just like yeah, well going backnow, man, come on,
man, dude, bro, comeon, hey, don't you have to
talk me? Yeah, seriously,the hostage that Edwin takes. There's another
moment that we have to talk abouthere, which is he we have to,
we have to, we must,we must. We still have like

(44:19):
twenty minutes left, so we definitelyhave to talk about this. The Headwin
makes this hostage tape, a videoof him like doing this weird kind of
half apology, and then asks herto post it with the caption that says
murderer on the loose, and thevery strange moment happens the closest the victim

(44:42):
blaming I've ever heard, not comingfrom my own mouth on this show,
which is Mike talking about how whenshe posted this video she was too embarrassed
and so rather than marking it asa public video, she made it a
private video so that only she couldsee it. And had she made it
public, maybe this rampage would havebeen stopped. Quicker I was wondering where

(45:07):
they got the embarrassed from, ifthat was her words, or if that
had been floated into her head,or if she had made a mistake by
making it private, thinking she wasdoing the right thing by making a private
because that's made more sense to methan saying, oh, it's embarrassed.
I didn't want anybody to know.Yeah, like I say when I say

(45:30):
like, but sometimes your your thoughtprocess can be wrong. You can go,
oh, this can save me ratherthan this, and you probably weren't
on the wrong fork. Yeah,that's that's what it seemed like to me.
I am not saying that I wouldhave made any different because I'm sure
that I would have. I couldsee some embarrassment. I don't know it's

(45:52):
you shouldn't be embarrassed, but Icould definitely feel if I was in that
situation, being like, I don'twant to give this killer a platform to
say what he wants to say,and I'm in this horrible predicament, but
you know nobody, I don't know. It's not like I don't want anyone
else to hear it, but Iguess there is just like a shame to

(46:14):
having been in this position, LikeI wasn't strong enough to fight off this
person, and now I'm now inthis killer's grasps because she thinks he's a
douche. Um. I would nothave been able to make it private because
I hadn't no idea that was evenan option. Yeah, exactly, so,
I mean he didn't know either.You know, lebody know that's what's

(46:36):
Facebook's for. Who makes a privatevideo on Facebook? I'm the only one
that can see this is that isso weird though, that yeah, that
is an option. Oh yeah,you know, people don't think the Facebook
is any privacy options. But there'ssome stuff you really wanted to dig into
it. Yeah, you can posta look at this, it's my ball's
going for a walk on a tableprivate. I don't know if you know

(47:00):
this end, but you can makeyour whole profile private so that only people
that you want to see you cansee your profile. I had no idea.
Yeah, I'll teach you about itafter the show's over. People don't
get to learn about it. Strlisteners are aware of these things. That's
funny you just said to me,well dumb dumb. Yeah, like I'm
not making a sorry people, sorrypeople that I'm so dumb dumb dun All

(47:23):
right, So we're moving on nowto the climactic chase, that orgasmic chase
that ends this episode. Edwin nowhis calling nine one one kind of to
turn himself in, but not quitebecause he's not ready to pull the car

(47:43):
over just yet, but he reallywants to make sure that nobody kills him
right now, and also he wantsto make he wants to do a monologue.
Yes, a lot of monologue.God, I got plenty more clips
of some of the ridiculous things thatthis guy said. Is it begins though
one of those guys it says andanother thing, or that's no, he

(48:06):
says, let me just say this, but then he just keeps saying more
things. Right. Yeah. Ihave a my dad's friend, like a
family friend, as a like averbal tick like that, and he always
goes, I'll tell you one thing, yeah, and then he'll proceed to
say like seven hundred other things.My favorite is, can I ask you
a question? Well we already have, Yeah, you can't, and you

(48:28):
just used it up. Yeah,you're done. Next, I was wondering,
we'll play I'll play some clips thatwhere you can kind of hear the
nine one one operator who's taking thiscall. And it's addressed a little bit
in this episode where people were sayingthat she was being like kind of nice
to him, and there was sortof not that she was doing any part
of her job wrong, and youcould definitely argue that she was trying to

(48:52):
be nice to this guy to tryto get him to pull the car over.
I thought I thought she was.I thought when I was brought up,
she was kind of being nice whereother people are mean too. But
you know, she knows who she'stalking to. Yeah, she knows she's
got a murderer who's got a kidnapvictim. So why would you get up?
Hum? Are you sure your entirepressure is at thirty two PSI?

(49:15):
Well, this is leaning in verynice. The other two were very nice.
The other two were very nice too. Here's my question quite out.
Do you think that she was kindof excited who the nine one one operator
to get the call? Like everybodyknows this? She was really good.
I just thought she was really good. Thought she's really good. I thought
she was good too. But Isensed before anyone even said anything in the

(49:36):
episode, just as a listener,the way that he was like, yeah,
you know, I'm the guy everybody'slooking for. I got a victim,
and she's like you do. LikeI really sort of got the feeling
that she was like my day justgot better, you know, Like I
don't know, I thought she wasmore like, no, we haven't heard
anything about this. That's what itseemed like to me, because he kept
bragging. But hey, it's me, I'm the guy, and she's like,

(49:59):
mom, you what, Yeah,I've heard baby. Yeah, he
was like raggy braggy bragging, andshe's all like, sorry, I do
other things when I get off work. Yeah. See, I think I
heard it differently than you. Idefinitely heard her a bit like, oh,
did did you well tell me worriedabout that? Oh my goodness.
Yeah, hold on, let meclear my voice because this is gonna be
on some episodes. Yeah, allright, Well, this guy's first thing

(50:22):
to this nine one one operator ismake sure the police officers are nice to
me because I have asthma. Ohthis is my favorite. This is my
favorite part of the whole show.Like this is we've been waiting to get
to this. He took the gun, but not as inhaler. Yeah.
If only he mistook the gun forhis inhaler, Yeah, would have been

(50:43):
a lot better. He should havenever left the house. He should have
just ate again. Let's hear himtalk about it. I want to ask
you a favorite okay, yeah,so you can tell him not to be
rough on me because you know,I can't Patty breathe right now, all
right, So that's all I wantedto say, you know I don't.
Yeah, well I think so I'mgonna leave my in Hailor. I forgot

(51:07):
my halor at home. You know, I went all over all over La
Morrigan looking for did you earn inHalor? But I guess they don't sell
it, you know, behind thecounter, over the counter, by the
way, one of the best.He is not having any asthma problems,

(51:27):
like he is breathing just fine.There was not one wheeze in that whole
speech of I drove all over Salem. Yeah, And you know, I
feel like if he had, wewould have heard about that as part of
the police report of this file orof this case, rather would have been
in the file like oh, youknow, before he drove across state lines,
there's lots of camera footage of himgoing into different CVS stores trying to

(51:49):
find it inhaler Or. You know, we don't know why he kept going
to a CVS storrees like, no, none of that ever happened. Yeah,
And also people would have been ableto take him had he been having
asthma attacks. Yeah, that's true. The old man, the old woman.
I'm thinking the grandma would take him. Yeah, the two teenagers would.
Can you guys breathe? Can youguys just put in the stywheel for
me? Yeah? It was toomuch and they ran. They ran to

(52:13):
the car, right, that's what'sgonna people a Yeah, that doesn't work.
Now. This also made me wonderthis whole U nice nine one one
operator? Again, we have playedso many nine one one operators on this
show. I'm gonna stop you.Let's go back. Sure, she mocked
him. Oh that's terrible. Doyou need medical? Yeah, she totally

(52:37):
mocked him. I didn't even catchthat, but you're right she did it
goes No, I don't think.Oh yeah, well maybe. But what
I was going to ask is whatif he had connected with one of the
many completely impatient nine one one operatorsthat we normally talk about on this show.
Sarah, this this is, thisis, this is nine one one,

(52:58):
this is We don't have any troubledriving. Where are you driving?
Why don't you stop? Just stopdriving? Sir? The wide one on
your left side stops his car,You dip shit pull over. Yeah,
I'm just saying again, I dothink the nine one one operator did a
great job and she did everything thatkind of makes me wish we had gotten
a different one. But yeah,pardon me for the audio, for the

(53:20):
laughs, for the show, yeah, you know, not for the court
case show off for them. Therewere a couple other things that Edwyn says
to this nine one one operator.This is where a lot of those like
his story is coming out, becauseit's really the first time that you've,
like in the real timeline. Thisis the first time Edwin is like revealing

(53:42):
what he did. But he's sayingthings like that student was really drunk and
I ran her over. Yeah.He talked about how he just basically what
he said, Mitch just ran intomy car. Yeah, I was at
a stop sign. She had justrammed her head into my car and then
she put her ass up in theair. That's basically what he said,
right, and later the idea thathe just borrowed the car of the woman

(54:05):
that he took hostage. But Ijust love in Sword and Scale episodes where
the audio just kind of speaks foritself and you just are hearing this extended,
not one one call of the bullshitthat this guy is spouting, and
at this point in the episode,like we know what really transpired, and
it's just it's just I use theword earlier, but it's sickening. You
know. You listen to these theseguys lying and he's already gotten away with

(54:30):
it, you know. Yeah,leave us, leave us a comment on
one of the sword and scale rewindTwitter or Instagram. Let us know whether
they should have shut him down,like if she was too nice, whether
she should have had a different attitude. Let us know, yeah, because
that's part of this. We wantyou guys commenting with us, because we're
discussing the episode as a group,Like it's about us talking about great if

(54:52):
you guys responded to us as welland said you're wrong or every so often,
or hey, you guys are onthe right track. I think this
guy should have had a cattle prodbut in his buttle Yeah, or just
say hi, you know, justdrop an hi to us. That's fine
too, Hi the show. Um, okay, but I do have one
more clip of the nine one onecall from Edwin. You can play at

(55:14):
all. It's yeah, Like Ithink you could listen to that every day
and have a good giggle. Well, this is where I laugh. The
hardest, which is it's nearing theend. Now the cops are on his
tail. He has already said somethingalong the lines of just let him pass
me. It's cool, I don'tcare. And this this nine one one

(55:34):
opera is like, sir, youneed to pull your car over. You
know, if they could go toanother call, I'll pull over and then
they could come back to me.Yeah. Yeah. And as this call
is ending, Edwin is trying toget off of the line and she's trying
desperately to keep him on the line, and he mentions one of my favorite
things in this entire story, andI'll let it speak for itself. I'm

(55:58):
just gonna call her grandma, apologize, and then I'll stop you. Right
now, let's just kind of we'reabout are you stopping this? We're about
stopping and getting you guys both safe. Okay, all right, okay,
I'll stop hang up now, I'mgonna stand the line with you, okay,
Okay, Well, basically or technicallyit's right, you know, if

(56:23):
you're calling in an emergency and youknow what, this is just a pologics
and circumstance. Okay, technically washe trying to be funny? I God,
I hope not, because he's juststupid, I thought. I'm I
thought, this is what I thought. When I heard that. I was
like, that's hilarious. He's beinga douche. And then I thought,
oh my god, he's flirting withher. Oh really, that's what I

(56:45):
thought. I thought he was flirtingwith her. I mean this guy,
I mean maybe sure, he's outof his fucking trees, just out of
his mind, dude. Yeah.Um, the fact that that it's occurring
to him. First of all,he's been on the phone with her for
several off an hour minutes at thispoint. But let's not forget the fact
that he just murdered and raped agirl. He's kidnapped for other people,

(57:07):
and he's like, uh, youknow, technically I don't need Yeah,
well that was what I thought too. It's like he's just worried that they're
gonna like, like, the jury'sreading off your charges. For the jury
for the the the effect of talkingon a cell phone while in a high
speed pursuit, the defendants found guilty. Like you're done, dude, You're
done. Ah. He's such aIf it would just something, if it

(57:30):
would just not murder, it wouldbe so fucking better. Yeah, you
know a lot of things just it'sjust you just laugh and and just go
what a fucking tool. You know. I think Mike Buday said it best
in this episode, What a douche. Yeah, he said that was just
like douche, And I wondered,I want to ask Mike. I want

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to ask him how many takes ittook him to get that? Yeah,
I felt it. What a douche. Well this guy can take. He
continues to be a creep even afterall this, because he is not telling
people where the body is and hedoesn't want to because he doesn't want them
to kill him. So he's kindof like holding this information hostage until the

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time that he feels is important enoughto like tell them where it is.
And then when he's been assured thateverything's going to be fine, that's when
he kind of points to the map, right, draws them a map and
goes, oh, you guys aren'tgoing to beat me up? Okay?
Yeah, well he was kind ofwished that they would beat people up every
so often too. Yeah, likeyou should get in trouble for beating up

(58:38):
innocent people, but if they're guilty, you should be able to beat him
up. Let's just let the jurorsaround a little bit angry man. Yeah,
that's what we'll call the program.Oh my god, this is brilliant.
Not since Murder Bleach have we comeup with something. So the episode
ends here with this idea that there'sa new law that hopefully prevent the abuse

(59:01):
of power that these campus security officershave. You know. Part of the
tragedy of this story, as Iguess, there was no GPS in the
car, there was no recording systemin the car. All that stuff is
pretty standard now. I would besurprised to hear about something that doesn't have
a GPS system in it. Forexample, if you're going to put somebody

(59:23):
a college age into a car,it should be recorded. It shouldn't be
it shouldn't be just lucy goosey likethat. Definitely, especially again, like
on a college campus. We're nottalking about like patrolling the streets of Compton
or something, you know, andas we're talking about well you just described
USC. Yeah that's true, true, But USC's protected, it's it's it

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is mostly protected by sheriffs, right, So yeah, yeah, yeah,
USC is an interesting campus there.I had friends that went there and the
way that they described it was therewas of the four walls of the USC
campus, the four different sides.One side was pretty good, one side
was okay, and then the othertwo sides you do not want to go

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into. Yeah, you just don'twant to be over yeah, you know.
And the fact that they're saying oneof them was okay blows my mind.
Yeah it is. It is nota good area. The first time
I've seen USC, I'm like,what the fun you decided learning would be
good here? I think that goodpart is like where all the fraternities are
and stuff. It's just kind ofa larger percentage of students over there.

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But nothing like putting rich kids inthe middle of the ghetto. Like what
it is. USC is just abunch of dicks. It's it's a strange
campus, that's for sure. Um. I do have one update by the
way, Oh we got an update, and the update is related to the
wife who, at the beginning ofthe story was training to be a police

(01:00:50):
officer. Funny because I was wonderingwhat happened to her, whether she became
a kamp or not. Well,a few weeks after Kayley was murdered,
Edwin's wife divorced him no doubt,and shortly after that, she quit her
position as a police officer after onlythirteen months in law enforcement, and in
her resignation letter, she said,this decision has not been easy, but

(01:01:14):
I've decided that it will be inthe best interest for my career advancement and
future development. What does that mean? I think he just realized she didn't
have what it takes to be Butwhat does she mean by her career advancement?
Yeah, that was a very interestingway of putting it. I think
the best thing for my advancing mycareer is ending it. Yeah, that
does it is not being involved init? Yeah, well again she is.

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I'm sure people played that tape forI'm sure when she got haze,
they just put that on a loopin the office and go, right,
hey, dumb, dumb, let'sgo solve a crime. I mean,
I do feel bad for her too, though. I mean this obviously learned
a very important lesson about trusting youknow who you put your trust into.
But I I interrupt you. Butmy points what do on this show?

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Yeah? I think she didn't.She People show you what they want to
show you, Like we we fallin love with people because of who we
think they are. He wasn't showingher what he was. Yeah, so
how else? But I do knowwe've we've we've all I've heard stories of

(01:02:24):
of somebody with a completely different familyin a different town. Sure what you
know, you're just like, howdid how did they do that? Well?
Again, that's part of what makesthis show so crazy, as they
give you black and white examples ofthe thing that you never thought could happen
actually happening, and in the worstpossible way. I could see my wife

(01:02:46):
killing me. Yeah, yeah,you know, I've often wondered that myself.
My wife and I listened to alot of true crime. So if
she's planning out, you know,how to get away with things. Yeah,
although she's she's smart though. Likewe had an AT and T cable
guy like come to the door tolike say something about some tower in the
backyard needs to be fixed, andshe straight up was like hold on a

(01:03:07):
minute, sir, and closed thedoor and called up AT and T and
like made sure that there's a servicein our area. It was like,
good on you man. Something Soit was he lying, No, he
wasn't, but he could have couldhave been. That's awesome. Yeah,
she trusts no one. She trustsnobody, not even awesome. I've been
married to her for she trust atand t they seem like they're on the
up and up. Yeah, youmust have been like, finally you're putting

(01:03:29):
a tower around here. People geta horrible service exactly. But you know,
I think that that just about doesit for this episode. That does
it. We're wrapping it up.Well, it's sad. I really feel
bad for the family. And theboyfriend was just I'm sure he's dealing with
guilt, right, Oh sure.I mean they had that huge blow up
and then he's like, I'll beinside. I'm sure you're going to be

(01:03:49):
in any minute now to make upwith me, and then she just never
showed up. Yeah. Yeah,that's crazy. And I mean you gotta
wonder if he didn't think that hewas going to be a suspect, because
her asked texts were like, ohfuck yourself. Yeah, the stuff in
the fact that it moved so quickwas the only he wasn't right, I
were able to figure everything out.Otherwise he would have definitely been the one
they would have definitely been investigating.Well, yeah, especially with a huge

(01:04:11):
fight and everything that before, butlike you said, it's it was such
a thing that happens to everybody.Go out and your party with your friends,
and you know, you got acall from your drunk significant other who
needs a lift, and maybe you'rea little pissed off that you gotta go
do it. But let's playing videogames in my underwears. I didn't want
to have to come here. I'llbe inside. But terrible things can happen

(01:04:33):
very quickly. Yeah, just besafe, be smart, and charge your
phone. People, charge your phone. That's another I'm glad you brought that
up right here, because even intwenty sixteen. Again, not to victim
blame here, but you're blaming thewhole year. But you gotta charge your
phone. They think it's like portablechargers, so you can charge it while
you're on the go. Yeah,no more excuses. People, you're in

(01:04:55):
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