November 24, 2025 • 41 mins
This podcast edition of Kenny Webster's Pursuit of Happiness features attorney Tony Buzbee. ( @KennethRWebster )
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:19):
Marjorie Taylor Green is quitting Congress. Her replacement will have
a big tinfoil hat to fill.
Speaker 3 (00:27):
It's gonna be very challenging. Guys.
Speaker 2 (00:29):
If this makes you sad, I'm probably you're I don't know,
uh you write jokes for late night shows. I have
no idea.
Speaker 3 (00:36):
Marjorie Taylor Green's looking forward to.
Speaker 2 (00:38):
Being an unhinged crazy person in the private sector, so
that'll be fun. She'll go back to her previous job
scaring crows away from the corn. I'm just kidding. I
don't have any problem with her, I really don't. I
thought she had a good voting record. She said some
kookie things, probably some things she regrets. She was widely
mocked for them. I never really heard her talk about
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Jewish base lasers, but apparently that was I don't know.
This isn't a show about that today. It's not, in fact.
A very special guest This afternoon, Tony Buzzby stopping by
the celebrity attorney is going to be joining us in
the studio and just a little bit something I am
really looking forward to, So stick around for that. But
first we get too the big news of the day.
Two big news stories I want to start off with today.
First of all, Braybart dot com reporting on the latest
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pulling data. Trump currently enjoys the highest foreign policy job
approval rating of any president of this century. George W. Obama, Joe,
That's all we got. Trump beats them all. Now at
this particular point in his second term, Trump is a
forty three percent job approval rating on foreign policy. For
the record, this tops both is twenty first century counterparts
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George W. And Barry at this point in his second term,
and I mean Obama, not Michael.
Speaker 3 (01:50):
Michael. Barry'd probably be a lot better at that.
Speaker 2 (01:51):
But PUSH's foreign policy approval rating sat at a dismal
thirty six percent. Obama's was an equally dismal thirty seven percent. Weirdly,
having a bunch of never ending wars going on that
cost trillions of dollars makes you very unpopular with the
American people. Let's hope Trump remembers why he's popular. We
don't want war with Venezuela. I don't even think we
want war with Nigeria. Although you know, some help for
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the Christians being murdered by jihadist isn't the worst thing.
Compared to his first term, public perception of Trump's foreign
policy performance has improved from thirty five percent approval rating
to forty three percent.
Speaker 4 (02:24):
This is one of the areas in which Donald Trump
is performing significantly better than he was in term one,
one of his best issues relative to term one. What
are we talking about approof of Trump on foreign policy
at this point in term one? Look, donald Trump was
just a thirty five percent approved rating, up like a rocket.
We're talking about forty three percent. Now, that's an eight
point rise on the net approval rating. We're talking about
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a double digit rise. The American people like much more
of what they're seeing from Donald Trump in foreign policy
in term two than they did in term number one.
Speaker 3 (02:52):
So often that's timing right there. Now, that's CNN.
Speaker 2 (02:55):
I love that guy on SIND He's like, why, hey,
ass Paull, take a look of this polling, Dada, Well,
that's a lorts of a differ call. Why Jimmy John
Jenkin chars anyway, on the specific issue of his handling
of the Israeli Hamas war, Trump is burying Trump the
president auto pen didn't do quite as well with Israel,
didn't he. And as far as net approval on that issue,
Trump is plus three, meaning his approval rating on his
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handling of the israel Hamas war is three points higher
than his disapproval rating. So that's good now compared to
Joe who was negative thirty seven points underwater. That's not
a misprint in the news. I'm reading this, and that's
quite a difference, isn't it. In other words, Trump's net
approval on the Israeli Hamas war is forty points higher
than Biden's.
Speaker 3 (03:36):
Imagine that.
Speaker 2 (03:38):
So that is all great news for Trump's legacy, which
I'm confident will loom every bit as large as Franklin
Roosevelts or Ronald Reagan's, hopefully.
Speaker 3 (03:46):
The problem is the coming midterms. The midterm results.
Speaker 2 (03:50):
Will hinge only on the economy, and right now people
are not happy with the economy when it comes to
election results. Peace in the Mid East does not hold
a candle to the price of the gallon of gas,
the cost of the dozen eggs. All that which brings
me to another report today from the same news outlet.
With a little less than a year ago before the
twenty twenty six mid term elections, Ameris poll shows Democrats
leading Republicans by a whopping fourteen points in a generic poll.
Speaker 3 (04:14):
If we lose the House, he gets impeached.
Speaker 2 (04:16):
If we lose the House and the Senate, he gets
removed from office. And I just want to remind everybody
right now, John Cornyn, the senior Senator of Texas, is
eating up seventy million dollars to win a mid term
to win his own party over Democrats currently have a
fourteen point lead against the Republicans among registered voters nationally
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on the twenty twenty six generic congressional ballot question. This
has changed considerably since twenty twenty two. Voters have been
divided about which party's candidates they would support. This even
though those polled placed most of the blame for the
shutdown on Democrats, still six and ten blame either the
president or the GOP in Congress. When asked which political
party we had prefer to control Congress, fifty five percent
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said the Democrats. Only forty one percent since said the Republicans,
So Obviously, things have changed a little since last year.
This is the Democrat Party's biggest lead in years. The
last notable lead Democrats enjoyed was plus seven in June
of twenty twenty two. FYI, you remember how that ended.
The list of voter priorities might help to understand this
fourteen point blowout. Lowering prices fifty seven percent, controlling immigrations
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sixteen percent, reducing crime nine percent, Economy takes up, and
then as far as foreign policy stuff goes Ukraine in
Russia seven percent, Israel and Gaza six percent, eliminating drug
traffic from Latin America four percent. Most people don't care
about that at all. Other than having a full year
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to rectify this. There is some good news sure the Republicans.
As of now, this poll is a major outlier in
the Real Clear Politics poll, which includes this Maris Pole
In the average, Democrats are only up by five points historically.
Speaker 3 (05:56):
If that holds, that's enough of a lead to assume
control of the House.
Speaker 2 (05:59):
Should Democrats take the House, that would pretty much kill
the final two years of Trump's presidency. Nothing would get done.
Democrats would serially impeach and investigate them. That'd be a
real shame. If Republicans are going to avoid a twenty
twenty six wipeout like the one they experienced a couple
of weeks ago. The economy needs to improve. Gas prices
need to come down, Job reports need to bloom, Food
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prices need to be more stable. As crazy, as irresponsible,
as extreme, as Unamerican, as anti Western civilization, as violent
as Democrats have become, we could be looking at a big,
beautiful blue wave if the economy doesn't start coming to
life by next summer.
Speaker 5 (06:36):
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Speaker 2 (06:51):
Yeah we are live. Check one two, check one two. Okay.
So Ariana Grande got COVID during the Wicked Good pressed
to her she was so sick Tony Busby that.
Speaker 3 (07:03):
She could eat. Oh what really have you seen the
two of them? Yeah? They do not look healthy to me,
my wife, some of the things I said and done,
it's pretty ridiculous. And she said, no, it's not. They're
so sweet.
Speaker 2 (07:16):
They do seem nice, right, But like you were in
school once, the theater kids were always the weirdest for sure.
Speaker 3 (07:23):
Yeah. I mean I had two theater kids, so I know,
I know it will all right. I'm not gonna dunk
on them. But Tony, Tony Busby easily.
Speaker 2 (07:32):
The most famous attorney in Texas, arguably one of the
most famous attorneys in America right now, and you have
taken on You won the case of the century that
was the Paxton impeachment trial. You destroyed the establishment. You
created a lot of enemies in the process. It's a
good story for those that don't know who you are.
If you don't know who Tony Busby is, you better
ask somebody. But rags to riches story grew up in Atlanta, Texas.
Speaker 3 (07:56):
You probably never even heard of.
Speaker 2 (07:57):
It's a suburb of Texarcana a Marie Green and Aggie
became one of the.
Speaker 3 (08:03):
Greatest trial lawyers who ever lived. And now you have
a lot of enemies. Yeah, but it doesn't seem to
bother you much. No, I'm like a duck on the pond.
I don't get wit.
Speaker 1 (08:11):
No.
Speaker 2 (08:12):
I've interviewed you many times about specific cases, and you
know you tried to get involved in local politics and
that really upset people.
Speaker 3 (08:20):
And I got behind you big time.
Speaker 2 (08:22):
I always felt like you would have ran this city
better than a lot of other people would. But I've
never just interviewed you about you. And so we were
texting the other day and I proposed that idea, and
lo and behold, since it's a holiday week, you were available.
You're the most recognizable personal brand in Texas.
Speaker 3 (08:38):
Law there was a tank in your front yard.
Speaker 2 (08:41):
The Busby logo is as recognizable in Texas as what
a burger is.
Speaker 3 (08:46):
Has it ever backfired on you? Yeah? But I can't
sneak up on people. I used to. I could. I could,
you know, people to underestimate me and I could slide
in there and really slam them. But now now people
see me coming.
Speaker 1 (08:59):
All right?
Speaker 2 (08:59):
So what's the one lesson from that journey going from Atlanta,
Texas to having the biggest house in Houston that drives
you in the courtroom today?
Speaker 3 (09:08):
How did you do that? Working hard? That's all there
is to it. I wish I had some special sauce
or some sort of secret code, but there ain't one.
I mean, you get up every day and you do
what you do, what you have to do, whether you
want to do it or not. You do the right
thing when no one's looking. You just do all those
things you know that you need to do to do
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your job well. And that's what I do.
Speaker 2 (09:31):
People often think of the impeachment trial as having ended
when the Senate acquitted him, but you've called it the
biggest courtroom win of your career. There's a famous moment
where your opponent rest your hard and accidentally rests his case.
That clip got watched millions of times on the internet.
If I was a law school professor, that's a thing
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I would show people. You were stunned. It was like
it was almost like your opponent accidentally dunked on his
own hoop.
Speaker 3 (09:58):
Yeah, speak, can you speak to it? Thing is I
was talking to General Packson about that the other day
and he was like even he was watching, of course
from Afar, and he was he was surprised that that
that that happened. And you know, I was looking for
any way to get under hardened skin, to be honest,
you know, I was looking for for ways to get
under his skin and and to really like put a
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put a nail in in it. And uh, I think
that was one of those moments. Was it was it
a big deal? Was it was it legally significant? Probably not,
but but you know, like you say, a lot of
people saw it, a lot of people watch it, and
we you know, with all due respect to our lieutenant governor,
who I think handled the case very well, when he
issued that gag order on us early in the case,
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he really he really hamstrung us in a big way.
And so, you know, you had the Texas Tribune and
the Chronicle and the Dallas Morning News and and and
all these these liberal outfits who were reporting on the
case every other day, and every other day it seemed
like something nasty came out, and so the tide was
really against us. And I couldn't respond that they would
call me because they have to and say, okay, this
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we're running this story about this fact. And I say,
where did you get the fact? And of course, oh,
we didn't get it from the lawyers. But of course,
you know, the state legislature and the committee that was
trying to convict Paxton was just leaking things on a
daily basis. So when I had that moment in the trial,
I wanted to really really dig in and to try
to because it was hard for us to try to
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change the public public's perception of what was actually happening.
I think that moment that you just referenced, the moment
where Jeff Mattier, their first witness, just crumbled on the stand.
I think Mitch Little's cross examination those two or three
moments really turned the tide. And Twitter just went nuts,
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and you know, even the liberal press had to recognize
that that, you know, we were winning this, not we
were winning this, not because it was it was fixed
like they wanted to say, or the fix was in
we wanted. You know, straight up.
Speaker 2 (11:57):
Mitch Little, most people didn't know who he was before then.
Now he's a state representative. Some people hope he has
bigger political ambitions. What what are your thoughts on that?
Speaker 3 (12:06):
I absolutely love Mitch Little. Mitch Little was always behind
the scenes throughout the entire work up of the trial.
He was the smart guy. You know, every group has
a has a talker, every group has a smart guy,
the guy, the hot one, all that he was. You know,
he's a Harvard guy. He's a smart guy. Sure, and
he's the guy that kept detailed notes, that had spreadsheets
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and all that stuff. And every time I needed a factor,
I needed something, I would say, Mitch, what do you
think he and I became very close to him because
I really relied upon him. And then at some point
during the trial, when I assigned witnesses, uh, I took
about half for myself and we didn't know who they're
going to present, and half were given to mister Cogdal. Well,
at some point Cogdale decided, you know that there's a
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few too many and I'm gonna I'm gonna punt on
some of these. Well, he punted on one of the
witnesses that happened to be presented early in the case,
and Mitch being Mitch, that I can handle it, and
so nobody had any idea. You know, I knew he
was a smart guy. I didn't know that he had
that kind of talent courtrooms type talent. And when he
got done, I said to him, I said, wow, I
mean that was probably one of the better cross examinations.
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And I've done this a long time that I've ever
seen and and uh, I think it was very critical
to to to changing public perception and winning that case.
And so after that was over, we were sitting there
together as the votes were being cast and they were
announcing each each article was being you know, failing, and
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I sent him I put a little on a little
posting notice said, you know, we just wanted to trial
the centry buddy and he and so we've been very
close since then. And then when you know, honestly, when
when Ken Paxon decided to run for Senate, the first
person that I texted, UH was Mitch Little. I said, Mitch,
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you ought to be r a g. A lot of
people wanted him to run. I can't think of anybody
that would be better, uh at other than Paxton than
Mitch Little. So why why didn't he run? I think
I think because because you know, he he you know,
maybe personal reasons. Maybe he was happy, and it's you know,
he was just a newly I mean, I think he's
eventually going to be the Speaker of the House. I
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think I could see him as being as being our speaker.
But I think he there's bigger things destined for Mitch Little.
I really do. People.
Speaker 2 (14:22):
Some people speculate that the reason why we don't often
have a House speaker that's a conservative is because it's
downstream from the open primaries. The open primaries give us
very liberal Republicans liberal leadership around the state.
Speaker 3 (14:35):
Paxton's a conservative.
Speaker 2 (14:36):
There's not a lot of statewide guys other than maybe
Sid Miller, maybe Ted Cruz.
Speaker 3 (14:41):
And so because of that, it's downstream.
Speaker 2 (14:43):
All the moderate liberal Republicans work with the Democrats, and
you could you think Mitch could get around that.
Speaker 3 (14:48):
I think Mitch is very persuasive. I think Mitch is
willing to work with people, but I think he's got
some very core principles that he sticks by. Everybody Amazing, amazing.
I think he should be the speaker. I mean, I
think he's going to be something. I mean, I'm not
suggesting that what he's doing now is not super important,
because I think he was very influential in some of
the issues that came up in the state House. I Mean,
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there were several times I texted him and I'd be like, hey, man,
I'm concerned about this, and he's like, hey, I got this.
We're working on this. So that's one. Probably, other than
my friendship with Ken Paxton, probably the best thing that
came out of that impeachment trial was my friendship with
Mitch Little. Mitch is a cool guy.
Speaker 2 (15:27):
We had a viral moment on this show about a
month ago where Brian Harrison and Mitch Little came on
and They both expressed, you know, consenting different opinions on
the Robert Roberson case. You're familiar with us, I'm sure
you know about him. Mitch came on, he explained his case.
Brian came on. They both had two different positions. Mitch thought,
this guy is guilty, deserves to be executed. Brian thought innocent,
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let him go. I have never seen something divide our
audience before like that. With the impeachment trial, everybody agreed
with you right away. In fact, with the Ken Paxton
impeachment trial, for US and you know so called independent
media podcasters, talk radio bloggers, we were able to report
on legitimate facts that the Chronicle, the Texas Tribune were
simply not telling people as that trial was going on.
Speaker 3 (16:12):
Were you looking?
Speaker 2 (16:13):
I mean, that trial made us look way more legitimate,
and it made the mainstream media around this state look
like they were hacks.
Speaker 3 (16:20):
I was watching. I was watching. People were like busting
my balls about it. But I was watching Twitter real
time most of the time. If I weren't if I
wasn't speaking, I was watching Twitter, yeah, and I was
seeing how how things were were trending, And you know,
I was criticizing in some respects by my own team,
by some people on our team, like why are you
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talking about this? And why are you talking about that?
And certainly the other side was criticizing me because I
was talking about Bush and I was talking about things
like that, right, But I knew that those were the
things that people cared about, and that people saw the
bigger picture of what was going on. There was there
was a there was a real battle in the legislature
about who was going to be in the Republican Party,
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who was going to be in power. We're going to
stick with the old Bush plan. We're going to go
with the John Cornings of the world, the people that
you know, the country club Republicans that have been there
forever that kind of get along and really don't have
any values, and it kind of they're willing to shift,
you know, like standing on sand, Yeah, are we going
to stick with it? Are we going to go with
a new blood like people who look, we're drawing lines
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here and we're not going to cross those lines. And
and we're gonna do it for the because we're going
to try to say Texas here, Otherwise we're going to
be any other state. And and I think the people on.
That was my audience. That's who I was talking to.
And sometimes you know when I said the Bush era
in Texas ends today, which actually came from Ken Paxton,
he's the one that we talked about that. I love that,
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and uh, I just articulated it.
Speaker 2 (17:48):
And you know you said that at a tea party
no West Houston Conservatives meeting when you were running for
city council and it really upset this older woman who
used to play cards with Barbara Bush. Yeah, do you remember. No,
I don't remember that, but I know that.
Speaker 3 (18:02):
You know, I routinely see some of the Bush family
here in Houston, and you know, I always think to myself,
I wonder what they're thinking about me, And the good
news is I really don't care. Yeah, that's it, dude.
You're the new right, they're the old right.
Speaker 2 (18:15):
Hey, to those you listen on the radio quick Break
with Tony Busby, we'll be right back. If you're watching
us live streaming, don't go anywhere. This show continue seconds
from now.
Speaker 6 (18:26):
We're not passive aggressive like some people. We know this
is Kenny Webster's pursuit of happiness.
Speaker 2 (18:34):
All right, We're back right now with Tony Busby. Part two,
of this interview. Can we talk about Houston for just
a minute. Yeah, you are a guy I remember back
in twenty nineteen you ran for mayor. Ye, people were
mad at me for getting behind me and saying, guys,
Bill's a nice guy, Bill King, He's not going to win,
He's not.
Speaker 3 (18:53):
The new right is populism. The new right is is classic.
Speaker 2 (18:56):
Liberalism combined with libertarianism, combined with a little to protectionism.
Five years ago, everybody thought I was nuts for making
that point about local politics. Now everybody seems to agree
with that position. Look at what's going on now, Republicans
getting behind Whitmyer, Republicans getting behind Marty Langton. You were
kind of the precursor to that, and those guys are
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your friends, right, Did you ever see yourself trying again?
I mean, if you hadn't done that, I don't think
those guys would have any success.
Speaker 3 (19:23):
It's small consolation, but I think you're right. You know.
I think when I ran for city council, I think
that's what probably put Whitmyer over the top as well.
And I've been a friend of Marty for a long time,
and I think Marty has the right mindset to lead
a county like Harris County and on it. As far
as Whitmyer goes, I've been really impressed with Whitmyer. And
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that's going to drive you know, the left wing of
this city crazy, but he's doing it. You know, he's
got a lot of constituencies to deal with, right, But
what I like about him, he's always focused not on
the politics of it all, but getting things done, which
is what a mayor should be f focused on. Right.
Speaker 2 (20:01):
Everybody thought the bike lanes would prevent hurricanes and make
people feel good, but all they did was prevent ambulances
from getting around in the city down tiny streets when
people were having heart attacks and women were going giving birth.
I mean, bike lanes are great, but I'd rather an
ambulance be able to connect to the inner city and
get someone to a hospital.
Speaker 3 (20:21):
It's more like, you know, oh, we're gonna have bike lanes.
Everybody's gonna ride bikes, and we're never gonna you know,
we're never gonna burn fuel again, and we're gonna save
the planet by putting in a few bike lanes. I mean,
it sounds kind of like that Mundami crap up in
New York, where you know, where everybody's gonna ride, you know,
ride free buses, and everybody's gonna get this, and everybody's
going to get that, and at some point, who's going
to be paying for all that? And you know, where's
the common sense behind it? And so I'm glad Whitmyer
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is the mayor, and you know, I think he's he's
done a masterful job. He voted against me in the
Paxton case. Yeah, he voted against me. But I remember
when when Perry was indicted long time ago for for
issuing a veto. I was driving back from college station
on some other issue and wit Meyer called me and
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said told me, I think that case is And you know,
I'm glad you're representing him and right. And so I've
known Whitmyer a long time and I think he's been
a you know, I wouldn't he probably wouldn't tell anybody
we were friends, but certainly, you know, I've been very
happy with his performance because it could be a lot
lot worse.
Speaker 2 (21:28):
Look, you're not like some right wing extremists. Now, you're
not some par far right, you know Tea Party. I
You're very much in the middle. But the political spectrum
shifted so much that people were on the near left,
now on the near right. Twenty years ago, I was
a libertarian. I was no one ever I tell dirty
jokes and comedy clubs. Nobody would have ever thought I
was a social conservative. But now people like you, people
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like me, people like John Whitmyer, Elon Musk, Marty Langton
is a union leader, Tulcy Gabbard.
Speaker 3 (21:58):
I would have thought we'd all been together now, right?
Who would have known it? I mean, I started out
as a as a Democrat because I was really pro
union and pro worker. I was always pro worker and
pro access to the courts. My dad was a union guy.
He cut meat for forty three years as a union
meat cutter, and guess what, the company went out of business,
he lost his benefits, and he was like and found
himself in his mid fifties at a new job with
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no benefits. So that kind of you know that that
resonated with me. So when I when I went to
you know, Texas A and M and I went into
the Marine Corps. I didn't have any way to pay
for college. Marine Corps was my way, and you know
I carried that along with me. So I'm gonna represent
workers I'm going to help workers. I'm going to help
people that don't have a voice. I think most of
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those kind of people now they're in the Republican Party
to the extent whatever the Republican Party is. I think
that that, you know, people that are more populist, people
who who want governed. You know, we're not so tied
or with all these crazy fringe issues that just divide us.
We're more into like, look, let's protect America, let's protect Texas,
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let's protect our way of life, those things I think
people care about and resident and so I don't care
where you started. I mean, there's a place for you
in that whatever that group is ultimately going to be
called is in America first is it? I don't know
whatever it is. I don't know what it is, but
I do know that there's certain things to me that
seem wrong, and there's certain things to me that sing right.
Speaker 2 (23:27):
People that don't look at your career, your your legal
work up close. From a distance, we'll just hear some
third party somebody else's take out it. They're like, oh,
this guy's another hack lawyer. Hees just trying to take
down celebrities or whatever. But you're a guy that's gets
offered deals going after giant corporations billions of dollars on
the line.
Speaker 3 (23:46):
You don't have to.
Speaker 2 (23:47):
Take these cases where you go defend people that are
getting preyed upon, you know, victims of sex predators and stuff.
You've been involved in some high profile cases. Some people
might think, oh, those are the kind of cases he
takes because he's you know, that's all can get.
Speaker 3 (24:00):
You take those cases because you want to am I correct, Yeah,
they're they're those are not where I make my money, right.
I don't think people understand that that is not where
I make my money. You know, I have twenty five
lawyers and we're Jenny, We've generated seven hundred and fifty
million so far this year, and it ain't from those
kind of cases. Right. I take those kind of cases
because I still, even after all these years, I still
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have a chip on my shoulder. And and and when
I see a situation where it feels like that somebody's
being bullied or somebody who who has power is using
that in a bad way, it just it really something
deep inside me. It moves me to try to to
try to get involved in that. And I mean just
sound a little bit weird. But you know, the same
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thing with the Paxston thing. I thought the Paston thing
was a situation where you had these people that thought, oh,
look what we're gonna do. We have we we're the people,
We're the chosen ones. We're gonna get rid of this
Paxton guy. We don't like the way he operates. We
don't like this, we don't like that. That moved me.
You know, maybe maybe I see that in a lot
of the cases that I deal with. But you know,
(25:03):
with the BP case, you know I had a running
gun battle with BP for for more than fifteen years.
With these Diddy cases, the same thing with Shannon Sharp,
Chris Brown. You know a lot of those kind of cases.
It's it's where people are getting what I call a
little too froggy. I love that they think they're a
little a little beyond where they can be touched. I'm
here to tell you I can touch you. Yeah, I'll
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touch you. Okay.
Speaker 2 (25:27):
Can we talk about Trey's Law for a minute. Mitch Little,
we were just talking about Mitch Little was talking about
this on.
Speaker 3 (25:32):
X the other day.
Speaker 2 (25:33):
I can't even believe there's a need for this, but
there's a need for it. We live in a country
where sex abuse victims signed NDA's non disclosure agreements didn't
understand what they were signing.
Speaker 3 (25:43):
I'm not a lawyer. I don't under you know, it's complicated.
Speaker 2 (25:46):
Who when you're downloading Apple software, who reads that whole
thing before they click accept? And that's kind of what
happened to some of these people. There are cases in
the past of people signing NDAs becoming victims of predators
and not being able to defend themselves or go to
law enforcement. And now you and Mitch Little have become
advocates against that.
Speaker 3 (26:05):
That's why Trey's Law exists, right, yeah, I mean it.
And there's two different situations. There's the situation that gave
rise to Trey's Law, which is where somebody's being taken
advantage of and being silenced, right. But there's another situation
that you know that that is quite different. It's when
you have somebody who's been abused but is lawyered up
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with a good lawyer who does not want to go
through the trauma of pursuing of doing that in a
public court system, but the abuser or the alleged abuser
wants to resolve this, maybe apologize maybe do other things,
maybe pay consideration, pay a lot of money in fact,
but they won't do it without an NDA. So the
(26:49):
law is good. I like the law, but it also
is going to make it difficult because why somebody say,
why am I paying you for an NDA? Because it's
not He's never been forceable. Sure, So I look at
it from both sides, because right now, you know, at
any one time across the United States, I probably have
one hundred and fifty cases that no one will ever
(27:09):
hear about against celebrities, people that you would know, politicians,
you might know billionaires, you might know that. People come
to me and say, look, this is what happened to me.
But I don't want to be put through the grinder,
because when you step up and you say this happened
to me, you're gonna be You're gonna be put through
the grinder. They're gonna they're gonna with a with a
microscope go into your background since you were a child,
(27:33):
and it's it's it's tough. And but but the the
person with the power, the person with the money, the
person that committed these these things, uh, these crimes, you know,
when you get when you really back them into a corner.
They're going to say, Okay, i'll apologize, i'll do this,
I'll go to counseling, I'll do but I want an NDA.
I'll pay. I want an NDA. And now in Texas,
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you know that NDA may not be may not be
something that's even that they can even pay. So there's
another side to that. And so I'm still trying to
get my head around right now that the how that
the consequences of that law are going to impact my practice, because,
like I say, right now, more than one hundred different
types of cases with and you. You would be shocked
(28:19):
if I were to tell you how many cases I've
resolved on the QT that that the client felt it
was smart to resolve it and they felt made whole,
if you will, they felt like they got an apology.
All this stuff that that NDAs have been signed in
the city sure people that you know, and now those
NDAs may may not be enforceable.
Speaker 2 (28:39):
How interesting that it ends up like that. Yeah, so
this the big news right now. Obviously you can't say
who it is, and I'm not going to try to
make you. I want you to win the case. But
there's somebody in Austin who claims to have been a
victim of somebody at a very big lobbyist group. And
it's my understanding this is a lobbyist group. Anybody that's
into Texas politics would know. You know, I don't want
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to get you.
Speaker 3 (29:00):
Well, we're gonna work. You know, the Travis County court
system in the District Clerk's office, like many across the state,
are kind of slow. Case has been filed, but it
hasn't been processed, and so until it's processed, I probably
won't comment on it. But I have little video that
I'm going to release once i'm it's confirmed that the
case has been processed and it's been file stamp, because
once there's a file stamp, then it's official and I
(29:22):
can talk about it without somebody suing me for defamation
and that sort of thing. But you know, I will
say this, there are a lot of unscrupulous people, mostly men.
I mean, I've had cases where there's women, but mostly
men who get in a position where they start feeling
their oats if you say or so I say, getting
a little froggy, sure, and they think they can do
whatever they want to do. And I am very proud
(29:44):
of the fact that when I get a call. It's
because people feel like I don't have any or the
other plays to turn, and I don't know what to do,
and I need somebody to help me, and I need
somebody that when I say you're representing me, they all
of a sudden, they all all of a sudden changed
their tune that they're no longer a bully, they're no
longer abusive, they're no longer talking smack. Now all of
(30:08):
a sudden, yes, now, all of a sudden, they're like, Okay,
how can we get this resolved? How can I make
this right? How can I That's what I like. I
had a client a long long time ago from Mobile, Alabama,
who I got it. He was hurt offshore. I got
him some money. I was African American man from Mobiles,
a blue water seamen worked on a on a vessel.
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And he got his money. And he went to a
Cadillac dealership I won't say who it is here in Houston, okay,
and or not in Alabama all right. And they wouldn't
even get all their chairs to come even show him
the cars. He was walking around looking the cars. You know. Usually,
you know, these people are like vultures. They're just on you,
not with him him. They were just like kind of
like he's a nuisance. You know, well, he ain't gonna
(30:51):
buy no car, get on out of here. So he
felt very disrespected. He called me on the phone and
he said, Tony, you know they wouldn't even they wouldn't
even come out to show me a car. I said,
look yourself over here to Houston. I'll call somebody and
you'll go get yourself a car. So he goes and
buys himself a Cadillac with not I mean, I wouldn't
advise it, but you know, this is this one time
in his life where you felt, you know, I'm on
(31:12):
top of the world. He drives it all the way
back to Mobile, drives back to the Cadillac dealership. I
like that. Yeah, I like that giving somebody their come up,
and giving somebody a little bit of power, a little
bit of stroke that they didn't have otherwise. And so
there's something about that. Maybe just maybe I still have
that chip on my shoulder. Maybe maybe I still have
(31:33):
that that. But it's not about money for me.
Speaker 2 (31:36):
Sure, how could at this point you've got more money,
your money's got to be boring to you.
Speaker 3 (31:40):
It's not about money. And I hate to say that
because I know there's people watching, like you know, you
jack jackass, but but for me, it's more that it's
more like when somebody comes to me and like you know,
I'm getting completely disrespected, I'm getting abused, I'm getting taken
advantage of, and I need I need somebody to square
that and uh that that's what I like. And sometimes
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that doesn't mean there's going to be a lot of
monetary compensation. That doesn't Like I say, these kind of cases,
typically you know they're not going to pay the overhead,
but they do something for me. It's the right thing
to do. It feels right to me.
Speaker 2 (32:14):
Sleep better. Yeah, but you and I both know. I
mean we watched you watch the news as much as
I do. You are a news junkie. For every woman
out there that gets preyed upon, there's some woman out
there that was just disappointed in a relationship and was
that's the hard part. I'm going to ruin this guy's life,
that's the hard part. And that happens pretty frequently too.
You've got to be careful when you're my business. You
have to be very careful that somebody's not using you
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as a pawn. How do you know you ultimately you
go with your gut, You run backgrounds on them, you
have multiple people talk to them, you collect the evidence
they have, and you have to ultimately you have to
make a judgment call.
Speaker 3 (32:49):
And you've probably had to say no to case is
before cases. That's incredible. Yeah, oh no, I mean we
may get you know, may get a hundre calls a day.
We may not get one case out of out of
those hundred calls. We may get you know, thousands of
calls a month. We may get ten cases out of that.
(33:09):
So and you know a lot of these people that
call never make it to me because ultimately I have
to make the decision because I have to put my
brand on it. All right, Well, I love all those answers.
Speaker 2 (33:19):
Let's do a lightning round real quick before we get
you out of here, because I know you've got a
big thing coming up.
Speaker 3 (33:24):
Best steakhouse go here in Houston. It's Papa's Outside the Loop. Okay,
what about in the Loop? Downtown sucks? Sorry, I mean
they need to be more consistent. I love the family,
but there's a marked difference between the Papa's Outside the
Loop and the one downtown the one downtown sucks interesting,
and which is sad because a lot of the people
that come to the city and they're going to Papa's,
(33:47):
they're going to the wrong one. All right. The other day,
I'm you know, Tillman's a client of mine. I like
Vic and Anthony's. I like Mastros, you know, I like
Doris Metropolitan. I mean, but I went to Mastros of
the day and had their Wago Ribbi and I thought, Man,
I was surprised. It was really good. Sure, but I'm
(34:09):
still going with Papas. Papa's is classic and it's awesome
outside the loop text Max, oh text, uh.
Speaker 1 (34:19):
Uh?
Speaker 3 (34:20):
You know the easy answer is l tempo. That's easy,
or or the or the Nymphis on Washington. Sure, those
are old school. That's what my wife says. I really
want good text Max. We always go to Nymphans on Washington.
Where is your your new money?
Speaker 2 (34:33):
Your wife is probably from the most famous old money
restaurant in Texas.
Speaker 3 (34:37):
What do you two agree on most things? Most things? Yeah,
believe it or not. Maybe because she's a lot younger
than me and I which is she's a lot still
a lot more mature than me.
Speaker 2 (34:45):
But you know, science seems to suggest that that often
works better for men and women. It's the opposite of
what feminists would have us believe. I know, all right,
how about this one? You got the tank, you got
the helicopter. What's the next bigger than life purchase on
your rash list?
Speaker 3 (34:59):
Is there or anything? Or no? I got a book
coming out. I'm really excited about that. I'm working on.
Speaker 2 (35:04):
We're Tony, We're good at selling books. Call into the
Morning Show sometime when it comes out.
Speaker 3 (35:09):
I will. I actually got two because the editor cut
out half of what I wrote, and so I'm making
a second book from what he cut. But that's really
what I'm excited about right now. I've taught a class
at Texas A and M Law School that I just
finished up. I'm going to teach another class at South
Texas College of Law.
Speaker 2 (35:25):
I've been doing a lot of that. I've been doing
a podcast, Thank You, I keep forgetting. I want to
promote that. The reason I invited Tony on this show. Today,
Tony interviewed the greatest attorney general in Texas history, maybe
in America, Ken Paxton, a regular guest on our morning show.
If you have not seen Tony's interview yet with Paxton.
Speaker 3 (35:42):
It is a must. How do people find your podcast?
It's just at Tony Bosby on you, It's on YouTube,
It's on all the platforms. I also I did Paxton.
I try to ask, you know, I know we all
try to ask different questions, you know, we always try to, don't.
I want to ask the same thing people have asked,
But you know, I like to ask people about spiritual things,
like I'm very interested in in like somebody like Paxton
(36:05):
who I was in the trenches with that man and
he never never sweated. I mean, and he didn't hide
it from me. He just didn't sweat. He he has
an internal resolve. And I'm like, I'm very interested in
that kind of thing, Like no, I wish I had that.
And I'm just like, Okay, how is that? And then
you know, so then you have to start exploring spiritual things.
(36:27):
And so I had Rick Perry on I haven't released
it yet, and and you know he wants to talk
about Iby Gang. Obviously I began is Connor McGregor just
did iby Gain and a lot of the vets have
done iby Gang that helps with PTSD and brain injuries.
And I said, Look, I'm gonna give you. I'm gonna
give you fifteen minutes on that. But we're gonna talk
about stuff that I've never as your friend, never asked
you about, Like how do you how do you know
there's a God? I mean you all these politicians go
(36:49):
around talk about God, but how do you really know that?
And you know, try to ask things like so I
can get a better understanding, because it's one thing to
believe that you know God, you know God exist, but
how do you know? Yeah? And you know? And what
what is it done for you? And so I'm gonna
have some interesting people I'm going to try to get.
(37:09):
I'm gonna try to get Joel Hosting on and ask
him about God. That would be an interesting interview. I'm
Tony Busby and Joel Ostein I'm gonna try to get.
I'm gonna try to get Marcus Tetrel and talk to
him about not about all the things we've heard about
Marcus and his fabulous things that he's done and things
he's doing, but the things we haven't heard about him
because he's a friend and I know him pretty well
and I've been I've been in the trenches with him
(37:30):
as well. But people like that asking them questions that
they typically don't get asked, and not giving them, not
telling them what the questions will be. And you know,
sometimes you get some good stuff that really help people.
Speaker 2 (37:44):
And you know, look, you know what we do for
a living here, there's always the questions I want to
ask and the questions I know the audience wants me
to ask, and so I always trying to balance between.
Speaker 3 (37:53):
It's never easy.
Speaker 2 (37:53):
One more question for you, And I know this is
this is a question everybody asks you, but I have
to ask it because I know people are going to
want to hear the answer. Everyone's always asking you for
advice for young lawyers. I would imagine that's the advice
you'd give to anyone in any career, isn't it.
Speaker 3 (38:07):
Yeah, And it's the same advice. And and you know,
I usually do this big production. I build it up
like it's like I'm getting ready to tell them the
secret of life. But unfortunately it's hard work, that's it.
And so one of the things I do with my
lawyers is I will send them on like a Friday
at two point thirty. I'll say, hey, I need some
help with X, and I really don't need any help.
(38:28):
But but I send them that, and then I wait,
and then you get some some of the lawyers that
send immediate response, Hey, I can help you with that, Tony.
And you have some that send something Saturday, and some
Monday when they get to the office, and some Tuesday afternoon,
and some never send any response back. And that gives
me a real barometer of who's engaged. Yeah, and I
(38:50):
do that often, and you know, ask for volunteers, and
all that goes back to you're the law. Law profession
is a calling, and so if you really are engaged
in that, you know, you just fall off a turnip
truck and go to law school. You probably had some
idea about you wanted to do something and for some reason,
(39:11):
Well you need to know what it is. And so
what I will tell people is young lawyers is like,
what there's one point three million lawyers in the United States?
Why the devil would anyone choose you? And if you
can't answer that, hit the door, because you should be
able to say, here's what I bring to the table.
And the truth is most people flail through their lives
(39:35):
without the ability to answer that question because they never
even thought about it. Like what do I bring to
the table, And so that's what I try to force
my people and young people to think about. And they
may not have that quality now, but they should be
working towards it. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (39:51):
There's a lot of talented people who never work hard enough.
And there's a lot of people with very little talent
who work very hard.
Speaker 3 (39:58):
I may be one of them. I know me too.
Speaker 2 (40:00):
It's like, I'm I have average intelligence, but I will
get up every morning at four am, and I've been
doing this for twenty years and yeah, and it's working
and it worked. Yeah, Tony Busby, Man, there's not a
lot of lawyers I look up to or even respect,
but you are. You're one of the good guys. Dude,
I'm glad you're on our side. Five years ago, six
years ago, I called it. I was like, Tony is
the political evolution of Tony Busby is going to fascinate people.
(40:23):
You did not let me down, my brother, Thanks awesome.
Subscribe to his podcast right now, guys, a lot, we
have a lot of podcast subscribers. I want to see
everybody subscribe to Tony Buzby.
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Speaker 2 (40:52):
Hey, I want to thank my guests this afternoon, Tony
Busby for stopping by. We gotta run, I love you all.
We'll be back Bryan early tomorrow morning for more of
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Marjorie Taylor Green is quitting Congress. Her replacement will have
a big tinfoil hat to fill.
Speaker 3 (00:27):
It's gonna be very challenging. Guys.
Speaker 2 (00:29):
If this makes you sad, I'm probably you're I don't know,
uh you write jokes for late night shows. I have
no idea.
Speaker 3 (00:36):
Marjorie Taylor Green's looking forward to.
Speaker 2 (00:38):
Being an unhinged crazy person in the private sector, so
that'll be fun. She'll go back to her previous job
scaring crows away from the corn. I'm just kidding. I
don't have any problem with her, I really don't. I
thought she had a good voting record. She said some
kookie things, probably some things she regrets. She was widely
mocked for them. I never really heard her talk about
(00:59):
Jewish base lasers, but apparently that was I don't know.
This isn't a show about that today. It's not, in fact.
A very special guest This afternoon, Tony Buzzby stopping by
the celebrity attorney is going to be joining us in
the studio and just a little bit something I am
really looking forward to, So stick around for that. But
first we get too the big news of the day.
Two big news stories I want to start off with today.
First of all, Braybart dot com reporting on the latest
(01:22):
pulling data. Trump currently enjoys the highest foreign policy job
approval rating of any president of this century. George W. Obama, Joe,
That's all we got. Trump beats them all. Now at
this particular point in his second term, Trump is a
forty three percent job approval rating on foreign policy. For
the record, this tops both is twenty first century counterparts
(01:44):
George W. And Barry at this point in his second term,
and I mean Obama, not Michael.
Speaker 3 (01:50):
Michael. Barry'd probably be a lot better at that.
Speaker 2 (01:51):
But PUSH's foreign policy approval rating sat at a dismal
thirty six percent. Obama's was an equally dismal thirty seven percent. Weirdly,
having a bunch of never ending wars going on that
cost trillions of dollars makes you very unpopular with the
American people. Let's hope Trump remembers why he's popular. We
don't want war with Venezuela. I don't even think we
want war with Nigeria. Although you know, some help for
(02:13):
the Christians being murdered by jihadist isn't the worst thing.
Compared to his first term, public perception of Trump's foreign
policy performance has improved from thirty five percent approval rating
to forty three percent.
Speaker 4 (02:24):
This is one of the areas in which Donald Trump
is performing significantly better than he was in term one,
one of his best issues relative to term one. What
are we talking about approof of Trump on foreign policy
at this point in term one? Look, donald Trump was
just a thirty five percent approved rating, up like a rocket.
We're talking about forty three percent. Now, that's an eight
point rise on the net approval rating. We're talking about
(02:44):
a double digit rise. The American people like much more
of what they're seeing from Donald Trump in foreign policy
in term two than they did in term number one.
Speaker 3 (02:52):
So often that's timing right there. Now, that's CNN.
Speaker 2 (02:55):
I love that guy on SIND He's like, why, hey,
ass Paull, take a look of this polling, Dada, Well,
that's a lorts of a differ call. Why Jimmy John
Jenkin chars anyway, on the specific issue of his handling
of the Israeli Hamas war, Trump is burying Trump the
president auto pen didn't do quite as well with Israel,
didn't he. And as far as net approval on that issue,
Trump is plus three, meaning his approval rating on his
(03:18):
handling of the israel Hamas war is three points higher
than his disapproval rating. So that's good now compared to
Joe who was negative thirty seven points underwater. That's not
a misprint in the news. I'm reading this, and that's
quite a difference, isn't it. In other words, Trump's net
approval on the Israeli Hamas war is forty points higher
than Biden's.
Speaker 3 (03:36):
Imagine that.
Speaker 2 (03:38):
So that is all great news for Trump's legacy, which
I'm confident will loom every bit as large as Franklin
Roosevelts or Ronald Reagan's, hopefully.
Speaker 3 (03:46):
The problem is the coming midterms. The midterm results.
Speaker 2 (03:50):
Will hinge only on the economy, and right now people
are not happy with the economy when it comes to
election results. Peace in the Mid East does not hold
a candle to the price of the gallon of gas,
the cost of the dozen eggs. All that which brings
me to another report today from the same news outlet.
With a little less than a year ago before the
twenty twenty six mid term elections, Ameris poll shows Democrats
leading Republicans by a whopping fourteen points in a generic poll.
Speaker 3 (04:14):
If we lose the House, he gets impeached.
Speaker 2 (04:16):
If we lose the House and the Senate, he gets
removed from office. And I just want to remind everybody
right now, John Cornyn, the senior Senator of Texas, is
eating up seventy million dollars to win a mid term
to win his own party over Democrats currently have a
fourteen point lead against the Republicans among registered voters nationally
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on the twenty twenty six generic congressional ballot question. This
has changed considerably since twenty twenty two. Voters have been
divided about which party's candidates they would support. This even
though those polled placed most of the blame for the
shutdown on Democrats, still six and ten blame either the
president or the GOP in Congress. When asked which political
party we had prefer to control Congress, fifty five percent
(04:58):
said the Democrats. Only forty one percent since said the Republicans,
So Obviously, things have changed a little since last year.
This is the Democrat Party's biggest lead in years. The
last notable lead Democrats enjoyed was plus seven in June
of twenty twenty two. FYI, you remember how that ended.
The list of voter priorities might help to understand this
fourteen point blowout. Lowering prices fifty seven percent, controlling immigrations
(05:22):
sixteen percent, reducing crime nine percent, Economy takes up, and
then as far as foreign policy stuff goes Ukraine in
Russia seven percent, Israel and Gaza six percent, eliminating drug
traffic from Latin America four percent. Most people don't care
about that at all. Other than having a full year
(05:43):
to rectify this. There is some good news sure the Republicans.
As of now, this poll is a major outlier in
the Real Clear Politics poll, which includes this Maris Pole
In the average, Democrats are only up by five points historically.
Speaker 3 (05:56):
If that holds, that's enough of a lead to assume
control of the House.
Speaker 2 (05:59):
Should Democrats take the House, that would pretty much kill
the final two years of Trump's presidency. Nothing would get done.
Democrats would serially impeach and investigate them. That'd be a
real shame. If Republicans are going to avoid a twenty
twenty six wipeout like the one they experienced a couple
of weeks ago. The economy needs to improve. Gas prices
need to come down, Job reports need to bloom, Food
(06:20):
prices need to be more stable. As crazy, as irresponsible,
as extreme, as Unamerican, as anti Western civilization, as violent
as Democrats have become, we could be looking at a big,
beautiful blue wave if the economy doesn't start coming to
life by next summer.
Speaker 5 (06:36):
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Speaker 2 (06:51):
Yeah we are live. Check one two, check one two. Okay.
So Ariana Grande got COVID during the Wicked Good pressed
to her she was so sick Tony Busby that.
Speaker 3 (07:03):
She could eat. Oh what really have you seen the
two of them? Yeah? They do not look healthy to me,
my wife, some of the things I said and done,
it's pretty ridiculous. And she said, no, it's not. They're
so sweet.
Speaker 2 (07:16):
They do seem nice, right, But like you were in
school once, the theater kids were always the weirdest for sure.
Speaker 3 (07:23):
Yeah. I mean I had two theater kids, so I know,
I know it will all right. I'm not gonna dunk
on them. But Tony, Tony Busby easily.
Speaker 2 (07:32):
The most famous attorney in Texas, arguably one of the
most famous attorneys in America right now, and you have
taken on You won the case of the century that
was the Paxton impeachment trial. You destroyed the establishment. You
created a lot of enemies in the process. It's a
good story for those that don't know who you are.
If you don't know who Tony Busby is, you better
ask somebody. But rags to riches story grew up in Atlanta, Texas.
Speaker 3 (07:56):
You probably never even heard of.
Speaker 2 (07:57):
It's a suburb of Texarcana a Marie Green and Aggie
became one of the.
Speaker 3 (08:03):
Greatest trial lawyers who ever lived. And now you have
a lot of enemies. Yeah, but it doesn't seem to
bother you much. No, I'm like a duck on the pond.
I don't get wit.
Speaker 1 (08:11):
No.
Speaker 2 (08:12):
I've interviewed you many times about specific cases, and you
know you tried to get involved in local politics and
that really upset people.
Speaker 3 (08:20):
And I got behind you big time.
Speaker 2 (08:22):
I always felt like you would have ran this city
better than a lot of other people would. But I've
never just interviewed you about you. And so we were
texting the other day and I proposed that idea, and
lo and behold, since it's a holiday week, you were available.
You're the most recognizable personal brand in Texas.
Speaker 3 (08:38):
Law there was a tank in your front yard.
Speaker 2 (08:41):
The Busby logo is as recognizable in Texas as what
a burger is.
Speaker 3 (08:46):
Has it ever backfired on you? Yeah? But I can't
sneak up on people. I used to. I could. I could,
you know, people to underestimate me and I could slide
in there and really slam them. But now now people
see me coming.
Speaker 1 (08:59):
All right?
Speaker 2 (08:59):
So what's the one lesson from that journey going from Atlanta,
Texas to having the biggest house in Houston that drives
you in the courtroom today?
Speaker 3 (09:08):
How did you do that? Working hard? That's all there
is to it. I wish I had some special sauce
or some sort of secret code, but there ain't one.
I mean, you get up every day and you do
what you do, what you have to do, whether you
want to do it or not. You do the right
thing when no one's looking. You just do all those
things you know that you need to do to do
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your job well. And that's what I do.
Speaker 2 (09:31):
People often think of the impeachment trial as having ended
when the Senate acquitted him, but you've called it the
biggest courtroom win of your career. There's a famous moment
where your opponent rest your hard and accidentally rests his case.
That clip got watched millions of times on the internet.
If I was a law school professor, that's a thing
(09:51):
I would show people. You were stunned. It was like
it was almost like your opponent accidentally dunked on his
own hoop.
Speaker 3 (09:58):
Yeah, speak, can you speak to it? Thing is I
was talking to General Packson about that the other day
and he was like even he was watching, of course
from Afar, and he was he was surprised that that
that that happened. And you know, I was looking for
any way to get under hardened skin, to be honest,
you know, I was looking for for ways to get
under his skin and and to really like put a
(10:19):
put a nail in in it. And uh, I think
that was one of those moments. Was it was it
a big deal? Was it was it legally significant? Probably not,
but but you know, like you say, a lot of
people saw it, a lot of people watch it, and
we you know, with all due respect to our lieutenant governor,
who I think handled the case very well, when he
issued that gag order on us early in the case,
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he really he really hamstrung us in a big way.
And so, you know, you had the Texas Tribune and
the Chronicle and the Dallas Morning News and and and
all these these liberal outfits who were reporting on the
case every other day, and every other day it seemed
like something nasty came out, and so the tide was
really against us. And I couldn't respond that they would
call me because they have to and say, okay, this
(11:03):
we're running this story about this fact. And I say,
where did you get the fact? And of course, oh,
we didn't get it from the lawyers. But of course,
you know, the state legislature and the committee that was
trying to convict Paxton was just leaking things on a
daily basis. So when I had that moment in the trial,
I wanted to really really dig in and to try
to because it was hard for us to try to
(11:25):
change the public public's perception of what was actually happening.
I think that moment that you just referenced, the moment
where Jeff Mattier, their first witness, just crumbled on the stand.
I think Mitch Little's cross examination those two or three
moments really turned the tide. And Twitter just went nuts,
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and you know, even the liberal press had to recognize
that that, you know, we were winning this, not we
were winning this, not because it was it was fixed
like they wanted to say, or the fix was in
we wanted. You know, straight up.
Speaker 2 (11:57):
Mitch Little, most people didn't know who he was before then.
Now he's a state representative. Some people hope he has
bigger political ambitions. What what are your thoughts on that?
Speaker 3 (12:06):
I absolutely love Mitch Little. Mitch Little was always behind
the scenes throughout the entire work up of the trial.
He was the smart guy. You know, every group has
a has a talker, every group has a smart guy,
the guy, the hot one, all that he was. You know,
he's a Harvard guy. He's a smart guy. Sure, and
he's the guy that kept detailed notes, that had spreadsheets
(12:26):
and all that stuff. And every time I needed a factor,
I needed something, I would say, Mitch, what do you
think he and I became very close to him because
I really relied upon him. And then at some point
during the trial, when I assigned witnesses, uh, I took
about half for myself and we didn't know who they're
going to present, and half were given to mister Cogdal. Well,
at some point Cogdale decided, you know that there's a
(12:48):
few too many and I'm gonna I'm gonna punt on
some of these. Well, he punted on one of the
witnesses that happened to be presented early in the case,
and Mitch being Mitch, that I can handle it, and
so nobody had any idea. You know, I knew he
was a smart guy. I didn't know that he had
that kind of talent courtrooms type talent. And when he
got done, I said to him, I said, wow, I
mean that was probably one of the better cross examinations.
(13:10):
And I've done this a long time that I've ever
seen and and uh, I think it was very critical
to to to changing public perception and winning that case.
And so after that was over, we were sitting there
together as the votes were being cast and they were
announcing each each article was being you know, failing, and
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I sent him I put a little on a little
posting notice said, you know, we just wanted to trial
the centry buddy and he and so we've been very
close since then. And then when you know, honestly, when
when Ken Paxon decided to run for Senate, the first
person that I texted, UH was Mitch Little. I said, Mitch,
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you ought to be r a g. A lot of
people wanted him to run. I can't think of anybody
that would be better, uh at other than Paxton than
Mitch Little. So why why didn't he run? I think
I think because because you know, he he you know,
maybe personal reasons. Maybe he was happy, and it's you know,
he was just a newly I mean, I think he's
eventually going to be the Speaker of the House. I
(14:13):
think I could see him as being as being our speaker.
But I think he there's bigger things destined for Mitch Little.
I really do. People.
Speaker 2 (14:22):
Some people speculate that the reason why we don't often
have a House speaker that's a conservative is because it's
downstream from the open primaries. The open primaries give us
very liberal Republicans liberal leadership around the state.
Speaker 3 (14:35):
Paxton's a conservative.
Speaker 2 (14:36):
There's not a lot of statewide guys other than maybe
Sid Miller, maybe Ted Cruz.
Speaker 3 (14:41):
And so because of that, it's downstream.
Speaker 2 (14:43):
All the moderate liberal Republicans work with the Democrats, and
you could you think Mitch could get around that.
Speaker 3 (14:48):
I think Mitch is very persuasive. I think Mitch is
willing to work with people, but I think he's got
some very core principles that he sticks by. Everybody Amazing, amazing.
I think he should be the speaker. I mean, I
think he's going to be something. I mean, I'm not
suggesting that what he's doing now is not super important,
because I think he was very influential in some of
the issues that came up in the state House. I Mean,
(15:10):
there were several times I texted him and I'd be like, hey, man,
I'm concerned about this, and he's like, hey, I got this.
We're working on this. So that's one. Probably, other than
my friendship with Ken Paxton, probably the best thing that
came out of that impeachment trial was my friendship with
Mitch Little. Mitch is a cool guy.
Speaker 2 (15:27):
We had a viral moment on this show about a
month ago where Brian Harrison and Mitch Little came on
and They both expressed, you know, consenting different opinions on
the Robert Roberson case. You're familiar with us, I'm sure
you know about him. Mitch came on, he explained his case.
Brian came on. They both had two different positions. Mitch thought,
this guy is guilty, deserves to be executed. Brian thought innocent,
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let him go. I have never seen something divide our
audience before like that. With the impeachment trial, everybody agreed
with you right away. In fact, with the Ken Paxton
impeachment trial, for US and you know so called independent
media podcasters, talk radio bloggers, we were able to report
on legitimate facts that the Chronicle, the Texas Tribune were
simply not telling people as that trial was going on.
Speaker 3 (16:12):
Were you looking?
Speaker 2 (16:13):
I mean, that trial made us look way more legitimate,
and it made the mainstream media around this state look
like they were hacks.
Speaker 3 (16:20):
I was watching. I was watching. People were like busting
my balls about it. But I was watching Twitter real
time most of the time. If I weren't if I
wasn't speaking, I was watching Twitter, yeah, and I was
seeing how how things were were trending, And you know,
I was criticizing in some respects by my own team,
by some people on our team, like why are you
(16:41):
talking about this? And why are you talking about that?
And certainly the other side was criticizing me because I
was talking about Bush and I was talking about things
like that, right, But I knew that those were the
things that people cared about, and that people saw the
bigger picture of what was going on. There was there
was a there was a real battle in the legislature
about who was going to be in the Republican Party,
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who was going to be in power. We're going to
stick with the old Bush plan. We're going to go
with the John Cornings of the world, the people that
you know, the country club Republicans that have been there
forever that kind of get along and really don't have
any values, and it kind of they're willing to shift,
you know, like standing on sand, Yeah, are we going
to stick with it? Are we going to go with
a new blood like people who look, we're drawing lines
(17:24):
here and we're not going to cross those lines. And
and we're gonna do it for the because we're going
to try to say Texas here, Otherwise we're going to
be any other state. And and I think the people on.
That was my audience. That's who I was talking to.
And sometimes you know when I said the Bush era
in Texas ends today, which actually came from Ken Paxton,
he's the one that we talked about that. I love that,
(17:46):
and uh, I just articulated it.
Speaker 2 (17:48):
And you know you said that at a tea party
no West Houston Conservatives meeting when you were running for
city council and it really upset this older woman who
used to play cards with Barbara Bush. Yeah, do you remember. No,
I don't remember that, but I know that.
Speaker 3 (18:02):
You know, I routinely see some of the Bush family
here in Houston, and you know, I always think to myself,
I wonder what they're thinking about me, And the good
news is I really don't care. Yeah, that's it, dude.
You're the new right, they're the old right.
Speaker 2 (18:15):
Hey, to those you listen on the radio quick Break
with Tony Busby, we'll be right back. If you're watching
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from now.
Speaker 6 (18:26):
We're not passive aggressive like some people. We know this
is Kenny Webster's pursuit of happiness.
Speaker 2 (18:34):
All right, We're back right now with Tony Busby. Part two,
of this interview. Can we talk about Houston for just
a minute. Yeah, you are a guy I remember back
in twenty nineteen you ran for mayor. Ye, people were
mad at me for getting behind me and saying, guys,
Bill's a nice guy, Bill King, He's not going to win,
He's not.
Speaker 3 (18:53):
The new right is populism. The new right is is classic.
Speaker 2 (18:56):
Liberalism combined with libertarianism, combined with a little to protectionism.
Five years ago, everybody thought I was nuts for making
that point about local politics. Now everybody seems to agree
with that position. Look at what's going on now, Republicans
getting behind Whitmyer, Republicans getting behind Marty Langton. You were
kind of the precursor to that, and those guys are
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your friends, right, Did you ever see yourself trying again?
I mean, if you hadn't done that, I don't think
those guys would have any success.
Speaker 3 (19:23):
It's small consolation, but I think you're right. You know.
I think when I ran for city council, I think
that's what probably put Whitmyer over the top as well.
And I've been a friend of Marty for a long time,
and I think Marty has the right mindset to lead
a county like Harris County and on it. As far
as Whitmyer goes, I've been really impressed with Whitmyer. And
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that's going to drive you know, the left wing of
this city crazy, but he's doing it. You know, he's
got a lot of constituencies to deal with, right, But
what I like about him, he's always focused not on
the politics of it all, but getting things done, which
is what a mayor should be f focused on. Right.
Speaker 2 (20:01):
Everybody thought the bike lanes would prevent hurricanes and make
people feel good, but all they did was prevent ambulances
from getting around in the city down tiny streets when
people were having heart attacks and women were going giving birth.
I mean, bike lanes are great, but I'd rather an
ambulance be able to connect to the inner city and
get someone to a hospital.
Speaker 3 (20:21):
It's more like, you know, oh, we're gonna have bike lanes.
Everybody's gonna ride bikes, and we're never gonna you know,
we're never gonna burn fuel again, and we're gonna save
the planet by putting in a few bike lanes. I mean,
it sounds kind of like that Mundami crap up in
New York, where you know, where everybody's gonna ride, you know,
ride free buses, and everybody's gonna get this, and everybody's
going to get that, and at some point, who's going
to be paying for all that? And you know, where's
the common sense behind it? And so I'm glad Whitmyer
(20:44):
is the mayor, and you know, I think he's he's
done a masterful job. He voted against me in the
Paxton case. Yeah, he voted against me. But I remember
when when Perry was indicted long time ago for for
issuing a veto. I was driving back from college station
on some other issue and wit Meyer called me and
(21:09):
said told me, I think that case is And you know,
I'm glad you're representing him and right. And so I've
known Whitmyer a long time and I think he's been
a you know, I wouldn't he probably wouldn't tell anybody
we were friends, but certainly, you know, I've been very
happy with his performance because it could be a lot
lot worse.
Speaker 2 (21:28):
Look, you're not like some right wing extremists. Now, you're
not some par far right, you know Tea Party. I
You're very much in the middle. But the political spectrum
shifted so much that people were on the near left,
now on the near right. Twenty years ago, I was
a libertarian. I was no one ever I tell dirty
jokes and comedy clubs. Nobody would have ever thought I
was a social conservative. But now people like you, people
(21:50):
like me, people like John Whitmyer, Elon Musk, Marty Langton
is a union leader, Tulcy Gabbard.
Speaker 3 (21:58):
I would have thought we'd all been together now, right?
Who would have known it? I mean, I started out
as a as a Democrat because I was really pro
union and pro worker. I was always pro worker and
pro access to the courts. My dad was a union guy.
He cut meat for forty three years as a union
meat cutter, and guess what, the company went out of business,
he lost his benefits, and he was like and found
himself in his mid fifties at a new job with
(22:20):
no benefits. So that kind of you know that that
resonated with me. So when I when I went to
you know, Texas A and M and I went into
the Marine Corps. I didn't have any way to pay
for college. Marine Corps was my way, and you know
I carried that along with me. So I'm gonna represent
workers I'm going to help workers. I'm going to help
people that don't have a voice. I think most of
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those kind of people now they're in the Republican Party
to the extent whatever the Republican Party is. I think
that that, you know, people that are more populist, people
who who want governed. You know, we're not so tied
or with all these crazy fringe issues that just divide us.
We're more into like, look, let's protect America, let's protect Texas,
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let's protect our way of life, those things I think
people care about and resident and so I don't care
where you started. I mean, there's a place for you
in that whatever that group is ultimately going to be
called is in America first is it? I don't know
whatever it is. I don't know what it is, but
I do know that there's certain things to me that
seem wrong, and there's certain things to me that sing right.
Speaker 2 (23:27):
People that don't look at your career, your your legal
work up close. From a distance, we'll just hear some
third party somebody else's take out it. They're like, oh,
this guy's another hack lawyer. Hees just trying to take
down celebrities or whatever. But you're a guy that's gets
offered deals going after giant corporations billions of dollars on
the line.
Speaker 3 (23:46):
You don't have to.
Speaker 2 (23:47):
Take these cases where you go defend people that are
getting preyed upon, you know, victims of sex predators and stuff.
You've been involved in some high profile cases. Some people
might think, oh, those are the kind of cases he
takes because he's you know, that's all can get.
Speaker 3 (24:00):
You take those cases because you want to am I correct, Yeah,
they're they're those are not where I make my money, right.
I don't think people understand that that is not where
I make my money. You know, I have twenty five
lawyers and we're Jenny, We've generated seven hundred and fifty
million so far this year, and it ain't from those
kind of cases. Right. I take those kind of cases
because I still, even after all these years, I still
(24:22):
have a chip on my shoulder. And and and when
I see a situation where it feels like that somebody's
being bullied or somebody who who has power is using
that in a bad way, it just it really something
deep inside me. It moves me to try to to
try to get involved in that. And I mean just
sound a little bit weird. But you know, the same
(24:42):
thing with the Paxston thing. I thought the Paston thing
was a situation where you had these people that thought, oh,
look what we're gonna do. We have we we're the people,
We're the chosen ones. We're gonna get rid of this
Paxton guy. We don't like the way he operates. We
don't like this, we don't like that. That moved me.
You know, maybe maybe I see that in a lot
of the cases that I deal with. But you know,
(25:03):
with the BP case, you know I had a running
gun battle with BP for for more than fifteen years.
With these Diddy cases, the same thing with Shannon Sharp,
Chris Brown. You know a lot of those kind of cases.
It's it's where people are getting what I call a
little too froggy. I love that they think they're a
little a little beyond where they can be touched. I'm
here to tell you I can touch you. Yeah, I'll
(25:27):
touch you. Okay.
Speaker 2 (25:27):
Can we talk about Trey's Law for a minute. Mitch Little,
we were just talking about Mitch Little was talking about
this on.
Speaker 3 (25:32):
X the other day.
Speaker 2 (25:33):
I can't even believe there's a need for this, but
there's a need for it. We live in a country
where sex abuse victims signed NDA's non disclosure agreements didn't
understand what they were signing.
Speaker 3 (25:43):
I'm not a lawyer. I don't under you know, it's complicated.
Speaker 2 (25:46):
Who when you're downloading Apple software, who reads that whole
thing before they click accept? And that's kind of what
happened to some of these people. There are cases in
the past of people signing NDAs becoming victims of predators
and not being able to defend themselves or go to
law enforcement. And now you and Mitch Little have become
advocates against that.
Speaker 3 (26:05):
That's why Trey's Law exists, right, yeah, I mean it.
And there's two different situations. There's the situation that gave
rise to Trey's Law, which is where somebody's being taken
advantage of and being silenced, right. But there's another situation
that you know that that is quite different. It's when
you have somebody who's been abused but is lawyered up
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with a good lawyer who does not want to go
through the trauma of pursuing of doing that in a
public court system, but the abuser or the alleged abuser
wants to resolve this, maybe apologize maybe do other things,
maybe pay consideration, pay a lot of money in fact,
but they won't do it without an NDA. So the
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law is good. I like the law, but it also
is going to make it difficult because why somebody say,
why am I paying you for an NDA? Because it's
not He's never been forceable. Sure, So I look at
it from both sides, because right now, you know, at
any one time across the United States, I probably have
one hundred and fifty cases that no one will ever
(27:09):
hear about against celebrities, people that you would know, politicians,
you might know billionaires, you might know that. People come
to me and say, look, this is what happened to me.
But I don't want to be put through the grinder,
because when you step up and you say this happened
to me, you're gonna be You're gonna be put through
the grinder. They're gonna they're gonna with a with a
microscope go into your background since you were a child,
(27:33):
and it's it's it's tough. And but but the the
person with the power, the person with the money, the
person that committed these these things, uh, these crimes, you know,
when you get when you really back them into a corner.
They're going to say, Okay, i'll apologize, i'll do this,
I'll go to counseling, I'll do but I want an NDA.
I'll pay. I want an NDA. And now in Texas,
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you know that NDA may not be may not be
something that's even that they can even pay. So there's
another side to that. And so I'm still trying to
get my head around right now that the how that
the consequences of that law are going to impact my practice, because,
like I say, right now, more than one hundred different
types of cases with and you. You would be shocked
(28:19):
if I were to tell you how many cases I've
resolved on the QT that that the client felt it
was smart to resolve it and they felt made whole,
if you will, they felt like they got an apology.
All this stuff that that NDAs have been signed in
the city sure people that you know, and now those
NDAs may may not be enforceable.
Speaker 2 (28:39):
How interesting that it ends up like that. Yeah, so
this the big news right now. Obviously you can't say
who it is, and I'm not going to try to
make you. I want you to win the case. But
there's somebody in Austin who claims to have been a
victim of somebody at a very big lobbyist group. And
it's my understanding this is a lobbyist group. Anybody that's
into Texas politics would know. You know, I don't want
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to get you.
Speaker 3 (29:00):
Well, we're gonna work. You know, the Travis County court
system in the District Clerk's office, like many across the state,
are kind of slow. Case has been filed, but it
hasn't been processed, and so until it's processed, I probably
won't comment on it. But I have little video that
I'm going to release once i'm it's confirmed that the
case has been processed and it's been file stamp, because
once there's a file stamp, then it's official and I
(29:22):
can talk about it without somebody suing me for defamation
and that sort of thing. But you know, I will
say this, there are a lot of unscrupulous people, mostly men.
I mean, I've had cases where there's women, but mostly
men who get in a position where they start feeling
their oats if you say or so I say, getting
a little froggy, sure, and they think they can do
whatever they want to do. And I am very proud
(29:44):
of the fact that when I get a call. It's
because people feel like I don't have any or the
other plays to turn, and I don't know what to do,
and I need somebody to help me, and I need
somebody that when I say you're representing me, they all
of a sudden, they all all of a sudden changed
their tune that they're no longer a bully, they're no
longer abusive, they're no longer talking smack. Now all of
(30:08):
a sudden, yes, now, all of a sudden, they're like, Okay,
how can we get this resolved? How can I make
this right? How can I That's what I like. I
had a client a long long time ago from Mobile, Alabama,
who I got it. He was hurt offshore. I got
him some money. I was African American man from Mobiles,
a blue water seamen worked on a on a vessel.
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And he got his money. And he went to a
Cadillac dealership I won't say who it is here in Houston, okay,
and or not in Alabama all right. And they wouldn't
even get all their chairs to come even show him
the cars. He was walking around looking the cars. You know. Usually,
you know, these people are like vultures. They're just on you,
not with him him. They were just like kind of
like he's a nuisance. You know, well, he ain't gonna
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buy no car, get on out of here. So he
felt very disrespected. He called me on the phone and
he said, Tony, you know they wouldn't even they wouldn't
even come out to show me a car. I said,
look yourself over here to Houston. I'll call somebody and
you'll go get yourself a car. So he goes and
buys himself a Cadillac with not I mean, I wouldn't
advise it, but you know, this is this one time
in his life where you felt, you know, I'm on
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top of the world. He drives it all the way
back to Mobile, drives back to the Cadillac dealership. I
like that. Yeah, I like that giving somebody their come up,
and giving somebody a little bit of power, a little
bit of stroke that they didn't have otherwise. And so
there's something about that. Maybe just maybe I still have
that chip on my shoulder. Maybe maybe I still have
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that that. But it's not about money for me.
Speaker 2 (31:36):
Sure, how could at this point you've got more money,
your money's got to be boring to you.
Speaker 3 (31:40):
It's not about money. And I hate to say that
because I know there's people watching, like you know, you
jack jackass, but but for me, it's more that it's
more like when somebody comes to me and like you know,
I'm getting completely disrespected, I'm getting abused, I'm getting taken
advantage of, and I need I need somebody to square
that and uh that that's what I like. And sometimes
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that doesn't mean there's going to be a lot of
monetary compensation. That doesn't Like I say, these kind of cases,
typically you know they're not going to pay the overhead,
but they do something for me. It's the right thing
to do. It feels right to me.
Speaker 2 (32:14):
Sleep better. Yeah, but you and I both know. I
mean we watched you watch the news as much as
I do. You are a news junkie. For every woman
out there that gets preyed upon, there's some woman out
there that was just disappointed in a relationship and was
that's the hard part. I'm going to ruin this guy's life,
that's the hard part. And that happens pretty frequently too.
You've got to be careful when you're my business. You
have to be very careful that somebody's not using you
(32:36):
as a pawn. How do you know you ultimately you
go with your gut, You run backgrounds on them, you
have multiple people talk to them, you collect the evidence
they have, and you have to ultimately you have to
make a judgment call.
Speaker 3 (32:49):
And you've probably had to say no to case is
before cases. That's incredible. Yeah, oh no, I mean we
may get you know, may get a hundre calls a day.
We may not get one case out of out of
those hundred calls. We may get you know, thousands of
calls a month. We may get ten cases out of that.
(33:09):
So and you know a lot of these people that
call never make it to me because ultimately I have
to make the decision because I have to put my
brand on it. All right, Well, I love all those answers.
Speaker 2 (33:19):
Let's do a lightning round real quick before we get
you out of here, because I know you've got a
big thing coming up.
Speaker 3 (33:24):
Best steakhouse go here in Houston. It's Papa's Outside the Loop. Okay,
what about in the Loop? Downtown sucks? Sorry, I mean
they need to be more consistent. I love the family,
but there's a marked difference between the Papa's Outside the
Loop and the one downtown the one downtown sucks interesting,
and which is sad because a lot of the people
that come to the city and they're going to Papa's,
(33:47):
they're going to the wrong one. All right. The other day,
I'm you know, Tillman's a client of mine. I like
Vic and Anthony's. I like Mastros, you know, I like
Doris Metropolitan. I mean, but I went to Mastros of
the day and had their Wago Ribbi and I thought, Man,
I was surprised. It was really good. Sure, but I'm
(34:09):
still going with Papas. Papa's is classic and it's awesome
outside the loop text Max, oh text, uh.
Speaker 1 (34:19):
Uh?
Speaker 3 (34:20):
You know the easy answer is l tempo. That's easy,
or or the or the Nymphis on Washington. Sure, those
are old school. That's what my wife says. I really
want good text Max. We always go to Nymphans on Washington.
Where is your your new money?
Speaker 2 (34:33):
Your wife is probably from the most famous old money
restaurant in Texas.
Speaker 3 (34:37):
What do you two agree on most things? Most things? Yeah,
believe it or not. Maybe because she's a lot younger
than me and I which is she's a lot still
a lot more mature than me.
Speaker 2 (34:45):
But you know, science seems to suggest that that often
works better for men and women. It's the opposite of
what feminists would have us believe. I know, all right,
how about this one? You got the tank, you got
the helicopter. What's the next bigger than life purchase on
your rash list?
Speaker 3 (34:59):
Is there or anything? Or no? I got a book
coming out. I'm really excited about that. I'm working on.
Speaker 2 (35:04):
We're Tony, We're good at selling books. Call into the
Morning Show sometime when it comes out.
Speaker 3 (35:09):
I will. I actually got two because the editor cut
out half of what I wrote, and so I'm making
a second book from what he cut. But that's really
what I'm excited about right now. I've taught a class
at Texas A and M Law School that I just
finished up. I'm going to teach another class at South
Texas College of Law.
Speaker 2 (35:25):
I've been doing a lot of that. I've been doing
a podcast, Thank You, I keep forgetting. I want to
promote that. The reason I invited Tony on this show. Today,
Tony interviewed the greatest attorney general in Texas history, maybe
in America, Ken Paxton, a regular guest on our morning show.
If you have not seen Tony's interview yet with Paxton.
Speaker 3 (35:42):
It is a must. How do people find your podcast?
It's just at Tony Bosby on you, It's on YouTube,
It's on all the platforms. I also I did Paxton.
I try to ask, you know, I know we all
try to ask different questions, you know, we always try to, don't.
I want to ask the same thing people have asked,
But you know, I like to ask people about spiritual things,
like I'm very interested in in like somebody like Paxton
(36:05):
who I was in the trenches with that man and
he never never sweated. I mean, and he didn't hide
it from me. He just didn't sweat. He he has
an internal resolve. And I'm like, I'm very interested in
that kind of thing, Like no, I wish I had that.
And I'm just like, Okay, how is that? And then
you know, so then you have to start exploring spiritual things.
(36:27):
And so I had Rick Perry on I haven't released
it yet, and and you know he wants to talk
about Iby Gang. Obviously I began is Connor McGregor just
did iby Gain and a lot of the vets have
done iby Gang that helps with PTSD and brain injuries.
And I said, Look, I'm gonna give you. I'm gonna
give you fifteen minutes on that. But we're gonna talk
about stuff that I've never as your friend, never asked
you about, Like how do you how do you know
there's a God? I mean you all these politicians go
(36:49):
around talk about God, but how do you really know that?
And you know, try to ask things like so I
can get a better understanding, because it's one thing to
believe that you know God, you know God exist, but
how do you know? Yeah? And you know? And what
what is it done for you? And so I'm gonna
have some interesting people I'm going to try to get.
(37:09):
I'm gonna try to get Joel Hosting on and ask
him about God. That would be an interesting interview. I'm
Tony Busby and Joel Ostein I'm gonna try to get.
I'm gonna try to get Marcus Tetrel and talk to
him about not about all the things we've heard about
Marcus and his fabulous things that he's done and things
he's doing, but the things we haven't heard about him
because he's a friend and I know him pretty well
and I've been I've been in the trenches with him
(37:30):
as well. But people like that asking them questions that
they typically don't get asked, and not giving them, not
telling them what the questions will be. And you know,
sometimes you get some good stuff that really help people.
Speaker 2 (37:44):
And you know, look, you know what we do for
a living here, there's always the questions I want to
ask and the questions I know the audience wants me
to ask, and so I always trying to balance between.
Speaker 3 (37:53):
It's never easy.
Speaker 2 (37:53):
One more question for you, And I know this is
this is a question everybody asks you, but I have
to ask it because I know people are going to
want to hear the answer. Everyone's always asking you for
advice for young lawyers. I would imagine that's the advice
you'd give to anyone in any career, isn't it.
Speaker 3 (38:07):
Yeah, And it's the same advice. And and you know,
I usually do this big production. I build it up
like it's like I'm getting ready to tell them the
secret of life. But unfortunately it's hard work, that's it.
And so one of the things I do with my
lawyers is I will send them on like a Friday
at two point thirty. I'll say, hey, I need some
help with X, and I really don't need any help.
(38:28):
But but I send them that, and then I wait,
and then you get some some of the lawyers that
send immediate response, Hey, I can help you with that, Tony.
And you have some that send something Saturday, and some
Monday when they get to the office, and some Tuesday afternoon,
and some never send any response back. And that gives
me a real barometer of who's engaged. Yeah, and I
(38:50):
do that often, and you know, ask for volunteers, and
all that goes back to you're the law. Law profession
is a calling, and so if you really are engaged
in that, you know, you just fall off a turnip
truck and go to law school. You probably had some
idea about you wanted to do something and for some reason,
(39:11):
Well you need to know what it is. And so
what I will tell people is young lawyers is like,
what there's one point three million lawyers in the United States?
Why the devil would anyone choose you? And if you
can't answer that, hit the door, because you should be
able to say, here's what I bring to the table.
And the truth is most people flail through their lives
(39:35):
without the ability to answer that question because they never
even thought about it. Like what do I bring to
the table, And so that's what I try to force
my people and young people to think about. And they
may not have that quality now, but they should be
working towards it. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (39:51):
There's a lot of talented people who never work hard enough.
And there's a lot of people with very little talent
who work very hard.
Speaker 3 (39:58):
I may be one of them. I know me too.
Speaker 2 (40:00):
It's like, I'm I have average intelligence, but I will
get up every morning at four am, and I've been
doing this for twenty years and yeah, and it's working
and it worked. Yeah, Tony Busby, Man, there's not a
lot of lawyers I look up to or even respect,
but you are. You're one of the good guys. Dude,
I'm glad you're on our side. Five years ago, six
years ago, I called it. I was like, Tony is
the political evolution of Tony Busby is going to fascinate people.
(40:23):
You did not let me down, my brother, Thanks awesome.
Subscribe to his podcast right now, guys, a lot, we
have a lot of podcast subscribers. I want to see
everybody subscribe to Tony Buzby.
Speaker 3 (40:32):
Today. You're listening to KPRC Radio. Don't change the channel.
Speaker 6 (40:36):
Mark doctor told us the pills we took were just
a placebo. But he must not know what he's talking about,
because man, those suckers worked. This is Kenny Webster's Pursuit
of Happiness.
Speaker 2 (40:52):
Hey, I want to thank my guests this afternoon, Tony
Busby for stopping by. We gotta run, I love you all.
We'll be back Bryan early tomorrow morning for more of
what you bought a radio for.
Speaker 5 (41:07):
You are listening to the Pursuit of Happiness radio tell
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