August 13, 2023 • 9 mins
PM Anthony Albanese joins Jonesy & Amanda to chat about the Matildas win as well as the Voice referendum.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Jersey and Amanda jam Nation.
Speaker 2 (00:03):
Well.
Speaker 3 (00:03):
After such an now abiding win on Saturday night, the
Matildas have secured a spot in a semi final. Another
public holiday will be on the cards for New South Wales,
ither of states around the country. I have to decide
those things for themselves. Someone who was there, with the
sellout crowd, the atmosphere, it must have been extraordinary, was
our Prime Minister, Anthony Alberanezi. He joins us now. Good morning,
(00:24):
Prime Minister.
Speaker 2 (00:26):
Good morning. It was indeed amazing. I can't recall any
sporting event was quite the same tension as twenty twenty
spot kicks that took place, and there were three. Of
course we had to win it and the third time lucky.
It was an extraordinary game.
Speaker 1 (00:48):
Are you a big soccer guy?
Speaker 2 (00:50):
Look, I'm mainly I've got to say historically rugby league
and AFL in that order. But it was amazing. I
was there when we kicked again a spot kick to
beat Uruguay to go to the World Cup finals after
(01:13):
we'd missed out from nineteen seventy four right through for
a couple of decades. But this was something really, really
special and I think the whole of Australia being captivated
by this magnificent team of women on and off the field.
(01:36):
The gesture of Sam Kerr in giving her jumper to
that young girl, it was just symptomatic of the character
of Sam and the entire team. It is one of
the reasons why I was really proud that Sam Kerr
was our flag bearer at the King's Coronation on behalf
(01:58):
of Australia earlier this year.
Speaker 3 (02:00):
Tell us about the deal you made with the French
president Emmanuel Macron.
Speaker 2 (02:04):
Well, we did a deal by pytext and correspondence that
whoever won, we would back the other team in the
semi final. Now it happens that it's versus the English,
the old enemy. We're beating them and Rpe retained the
(02:28):
ashes and so this will be a good thing. He
has honored his word. He's a man of his word,
Emmanuel Macron, and he has tweeted out his support for
Australia in the semi final on Wednesday night, so he
joins every single Australian will be cheering. I think there
(02:49):
won't be much happening at eight o'clock on Wednesday night
except for the Tillies.
Speaker 1 (02:57):
Yeah, it's going to be huge.
Speaker 3 (03:00):
Look, I know we feel it's boring to talk about
the voice, but it's so important and there are some
people who still aren't sure what it's about. So can
I ask you again. I've heard a couple of stories
of people saying it's just going to lead to court cases,
it's going to lead to money claims. Can you can
say convincingly that that is not the case.
Speaker 2 (03:19):
It is absolutely not the case. It is a simple thing.
It will lead to one us recognizing Indigenous Australians in
our nation's constitution, as all former colonies recognize their first
peoples except for Australia. We stand out right around the
(03:39):
world has been the only country that still if you
look at our founding document doesn't acknowledge that. And secondly,
it's just a matter of an advisory group that will
be selected by Indigenous Australians to give advice on matters
that affect Indigenous Australian step the Government of the day
(04:01):
can accept or reject that advice. It's not binding, it
doesn't have a right of veto. But what we know
is listening to people about matters that affect them is
the key to getting better results, and that is all
that this is about.
Speaker 4 (04:17):
I was reading, you know, a few of the Peta
Credlines of the World and the Andrew Bolts, and they're
saying that there's a con going on with the voice.
Speaker 1 (04:26):
There's Petti.
Speaker 4 (04:27):
Credlin says it's twenty five page document, it's not just
a one pager and she was saying that there's devil
in the detail in this.
Speaker 1 (04:34):
But then I read it and I just can't see it.
I just don't know.
Speaker 4 (04:38):
To me, it just makes the Yes thing for me
from the get go has always made sense. I don't
know why people are so against the Yes thing. It's
not like I'm going to suddenly have to hand my
house back to Aboriginal Australia, is it.
Speaker 2 (04:51):
That's right? And look, I think it shows the weakness
of the No case, the fact that things are just
being made up. People can have a look at the
question themselves and what the constitutional change will be and
it's really clear.
Speaker 3 (05:07):
It's really hard though, what you're up against, because there's
a whole lot of Indigenous people voting no, and some
of that has also been shown to be AI generated.
Even the No campaign has said no, that's not to
do with us, it's AI generated. That's what we're up against.
Speaker 2 (05:22):
That's right. It's pretty scary, frankly. Some of the no
campaign and stuff that's going into people's Facebook posts which
is designed to spread misinformation. Some of it AI generated.
Some of it generated of course by people like the
commentators that you have said. But this will just simply
(05:48):
not have an impact on most of your listeners. That
won't have any impact on their lives at all, But
that just might make things better for the most disadvantaged
group of Australians. And Australians are generous people. They want
a greater opportunity for Indigenous Australians. This is an opportunity
(06:11):
to do that. It's an opportunity to show respect for
Aboriginal Australians, but also it's an opportunity for us to
feel better about ourselves. And I just say to people,
before the apology to the Stolen Generations, there was a
whole lot of scare campaigns. There was statements that we
couldn't do this because it would result in all these
(06:33):
reparations and why should we feel guilty. We didn't steal
Aboriginal kids. But guess what we did it and it
made the country better and this will make the country
the greatest country and Earth just a little bit better
when we actually acknowledge the fullness and richness of our
(06:53):
history and when we learn the lessons, which are that
when we listen to people who are directly affected, you
get better results. When you engage with people in Western
Sydney about Western Sydney your listeners, guess what, you get
better results than if decisions are made simply from Canberra
without any proper consultation. And that lesson is there for
(07:19):
all to see. And we know that the programs that
have really worked, Indigenous ranges programs, justice reinvestment programs that
have provided opportunities for Aboriginal Australians, they have something in common,
which is that they have that sense of ownership and
belonging and consultation, but people directly affected.
Speaker 4 (07:38):
And also just the very word yes, you know when
we have the same sex vote yes, you know, and
I think for me to go against yes, it seems
just totally wrong. And I'm happy, Like I've read all
this stuff and there's nothing that I can see where
I'm going to have to pay thousands of dollars to
go and visit a national park or I'm going to
(07:58):
lose my house.
Speaker 1 (07:59):
I can't see anything that actually definitively says that that's
going to happen. And I don't know why people are saying.
I don't know why people being so obtuse about this.
I just and I think, is it social media?
Speaker 4 (08:09):
Is it the silos and the algorithms and things like that.
Speaker 1 (08:12):
I just don't I can't see that.
Speaker 2 (08:14):
Well, that's right, James. You remember before the marriage equality
survey that was held, the vote that was held around
Australia was people were told somehow it would undermine straight
people's marriage.
Speaker 1 (08:29):
And it's crazy, that's crazy.
Speaker 2 (08:32):
It had no negative impact on anyone. The world has
moved on. It's just more inclusive as a result of
that and the negative no campaign, which is led by
some of the some of the same people, mind you
who involved in in no for that vote also involved
(08:54):
in the no campaign. Now and we history, you know,
the the the arc of history bends towards justice, and
this is about a more inclusive society and just stepping
forward and acknowledging if we do things the same way,
(09:14):
then we should expect the same outcomes. So nothing to
lose here, absolutely.
Speaker 4 (09:21):
Well, Prime Minister's always a treat to talk to you.
Go Matilda's on Wednesday night and thank you for joining us.
Speaker 2 (09:27):
Go to Tillies there it is
Jersey and Amanda jam Nation.
Speaker 2 (00:03):
Well.
Speaker 3 (00:03):
After such an now abiding win on Saturday night, the
Matildas have secured a spot in a semi final. Another
public holiday will be on the cards for New South Wales,
ither of states around the country. I have to decide
those things for themselves. Someone who was there, with the
sellout crowd, the atmosphere, it must have been extraordinary, was
our Prime Minister, Anthony Alberanezi. He joins us now. Good morning,
(00:24):
Prime Minister.
Speaker 2 (00:26):
Good morning. It was indeed amazing. I can't recall any
sporting event was quite the same tension as twenty twenty
spot kicks that took place, and there were three. Of
course we had to win it and the third time lucky.
It was an extraordinary game.
Speaker 1 (00:48):
Are you a big soccer guy?
Speaker 2 (00:50):
Look, I'm mainly I've got to say historically rugby league
and AFL in that order. But it was amazing. I
was there when we kicked again a spot kick to
beat Uruguay to go to the World Cup finals after
(01:13):
we'd missed out from nineteen seventy four right through for
a couple of decades. But this was something really, really
special and I think the whole of Australia being captivated
by this magnificent team of women on and off the field.
(01:36):
The gesture of Sam Kerr in giving her jumper to
that young girl, it was just symptomatic of the character
of Sam and the entire team. It is one of
the reasons why I was really proud that Sam Kerr
was our flag bearer at the King's Coronation on behalf
(01:58):
of Australia earlier this year.
Speaker 3 (02:00):
Tell us about the deal you made with the French
president Emmanuel Macron.
Speaker 2 (02:04):
Well, we did a deal by pytext and correspondence that
whoever won, we would back the other team in the
semi final. Now it happens that it's versus the English,
the old enemy. We're beating them and Rpe retained the
(02:28):
ashes and so this will be a good thing. He
has honored his word. He's a man of his word,
Emmanuel Macron, and he has tweeted out his support for
Australia in the semi final on Wednesday night, so he
joins every single Australian will be cheering. I think there
(02:49):
won't be much happening at eight o'clock on Wednesday night
except for the Tillies.
Speaker 1 (02:57):
Yeah, it's going to be huge.
Speaker 3 (03:00):
Look, I know we feel it's boring to talk about
the voice, but it's so important and there are some
people who still aren't sure what it's about. So can
I ask you again. I've heard a couple of stories
of people saying it's just going to lead to court cases,
it's going to lead to money claims. Can you can
say convincingly that that is not the case.
Speaker 2 (03:19):
It is absolutely not the case. It is a simple thing.
It will lead to one us recognizing Indigenous Australians in
our nation's constitution, as all former colonies recognize their first
peoples except for Australia. We stand out right around the
(03:39):
world has been the only country that still if you
look at our founding document doesn't acknowledge that. And secondly,
it's just a matter of an advisory group that will
be selected by Indigenous Australians to give advice on matters
that affect Indigenous Australian step the Government of the day
(04:01):
can accept or reject that advice. It's not binding, it
doesn't have a right of veto. But what we know
is listening to people about matters that affect them is
the key to getting better results, and that is all
that this is about.
Speaker 4 (04:17):
I was reading, you know, a few of the Peta
Credlines of the World and the Andrew Bolts, and they're
saying that there's a con going on with the voice.
Speaker 1 (04:26):
There's Petti.
Speaker 4 (04:27):
Credlin says it's twenty five page document, it's not just
a one pager and she was saying that there's devil
in the detail in this.
Speaker 1 (04:34):
But then I read it and I just can't see it.
I just don't know.
Speaker 4 (04:38):
To me, it just makes the Yes thing for me
from the get go has always made sense. I don't
know why people are so against the Yes thing. It's
not like I'm going to suddenly have to hand my
house back to Aboriginal Australia, is it.
Speaker 2 (04:51):
That's right? And look, I think it shows the weakness
of the No case, the fact that things are just
being made up. People can have a look at the
question themselves and what the constitutional change will be and
it's really clear.
Speaker 3 (05:07):
It's really hard though, what you're up against, because there's
a whole lot of Indigenous people voting no, and some
of that has also been shown to be AI generated.
Even the No campaign has said no, that's not to
do with us, it's AI generated. That's what we're up against.
Speaker 2 (05:22):
That's right. It's pretty scary, frankly. Some of the no
campaign and stuff that's going into people's Facebook posts which
is designed to spread misinformation. Some of it AI generated.
Some of it generated of course by people like the
commentators that you have said. But this will just simply
(05:48):
not have an impact on most of your listeners. That
won't have any impact on their lives at all, But
that just might make things better for the most disadvantaged
group of Australians. And Australians are generous people. They want
a greater opportunity for Indigenous Australians. This is an opportunity
(06:11):
to do that. It's an opportunity to show respect for
Aboriginal Australians, but also it's an opportunity for us to
feel better about ourselves. And I just say to people,
before the apology to the Stolen Generations, there was a
whole lot of scare campaigns. There was statements that we
couldn't do this because it would result in all these
(06:33):
reparations and why should we feel guilty. We didn't steal
Aboriginal kids. But guess what we did it and it
made the country better and this will make the country
the greatest country and Earth just a little bit better
when we actually acknowledge the fullness and richness of our
(06:53):
history and when we learn the lessons, which are that
when we listen to people who are directly affected, you
get better results. When you engage with people in Western
Sydney about Western Sydney your listeners, guess what, you get
better results than if decisions are made simply from Canberra
without any proper consultation. And that lesson is there for
(07:19):
all to see. And we know that the programs that
have really worked, Indigenous ranges programs, justice reinvestment programs that
have provided opportunities for Aboriginal Australians, they have something in common,
which is that they have that sense of ownership and
belonging and consultation, but people directly affected.
Speaker 4 (07:38):
And also just the very word yes, you know when
we have the same sex vote yes, you know, and
I think for me to go against yes, it seems
just totally wrong. And I'm happy, Like I've read all
this stuff and there's nothing that I can see where
I'm going to have to pay thousands of dollars to
go and visit a national park or I'm going to
(07:58):
lose my house.
Speaker 1 (07:59):
I can't see anything that actually definitively says that that's
going to happen. And I don't know why people are saying.
I don't know why people being so obtuse about this.
I just and I think, is it social media?
Speaker 4 (08:09):
Is it the silos and the algorithms and things like that.
Speaker 1 (08:12):
I just don't I can't see that.
Speaker 2 (08:14):
Well, that's right, James. You remember before the marriage equality
survey that was held, the vote that was held around
Australia was people were told somehow it would undermine straight
people's marriage.
Speaker 1 (08:29):
And it's crazy, that's crazy.
Speaker 2 (08:32):
It had no negative impact on anyone. The world has
moved on. It's just more inclusive as a result of
that and the negative no campaign, which is led by
some of the some of the same people, mind you
who involved in in no for that vote also involved
(08:54):
in the no campaign. Now and we history, you know,
the the the arc of history bends towards justice, and
this is about a more inclusive society and just stepping
forward and acknowledging if we do things the same way,
(09:14):
then we should expect the same outcomes. So nothing to
lose here, absolutely.
Speaker 4 (09:21):
Well, Prime Minister's always a treat to talk to you.
Go Matilda's on Wednesday night and thank you for joining us.
Speaker 2 (09:27):
Go to Tillies there it is
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