September 12, 2023 • 5 mins
The incredible Jelena Dokic joins Jonesy & Amanda to chat about her life and new book 'Fearless'.Â
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Jersey and Amanda jam Nation. At nineteen years of age,
our next guest was ranked fourth in the world of tennis.
And while we watched that journey of success in her
sport on the sidelines, we also witnessed her father's bad tempo.
What we didn't know and we should have known, was
how bad it really was. In twenty seventeen, she shared
the level of abuse she had to endure at the
(00:21):
hands of a dad, Demir Dockage with the best selling
memoir called Unbreakable. Well now, Jolena Dockitch has released a
new book called Fearless, Finding the Power to Thrive, and
she joins us Now, Elena, Hello.
Speaker 2 (00:35):
Hi, thank you for having me.
Speaker 3 (00:36):
And it's great to talk to you again, because last
time we spoke, when you had the first book out, Unbreakable,
it was like a real sort of I guess revelation
for you. And now you're coming out through the other
side of this with this.
Speaker 2 (00:49):
Book, and yeah, yeah, pretty much. Yeah. Unbreakable obviously was yeah,
really my life story, my burger be my memoir and
something that has changed my life. I literally say that
the day that Unbreakable came out is the best day
of my life. I was able to just really share
(01:11):
my story.
Speaker 1 (01:12):
You know, you're very honest in the book about how
recovery isn't linear and the fact that you were able
to break away from your family, that life can still
be hard. You talk about very honestly about the end
of a twenty year relationship, about how the trolls on
social media and how you're trying to use your skill
set to try and still make your way through these
(01:33):
hard things.
Speaker 2 (01:35):
Absolutely not all. It's not all upwards and positive. And
I don't think anything in life is. I discovered that
as an athlete, as a tennis player, you don't always win.
There are ups and downs. Life is the same, and
I think it always kind of will be. You go
through ups and downs, and I think it's important to
(01:58):
know that, to realize that, you know that it's all
not all sunshine and rainbow.
Speaker 1 (02:03):
Why do you think people are so harsh on social media.
I'm not on Facebook or any of those things, but
I do have Instagram and I read through Twitter. But
you do such a great job as a tennis commentator,
but you attract a lot of a lot of the trolls.
Speaker 3 (02:15):
Why is that?
Speaker 2 (02:17):
I think in general, Look, when you're in the public eye.
Everyone is allowed to have an opinion, and that's okay.
I think social media brings something else to it when
someone can just write something behind a keyboard, and I
don't know very often how people can even think of
some of those things that alone write them. And I
(02:37):
always just turn the conversation around, go, well, what if
your sister or your daughter, or your mother, father doesn't matter,
got something like that.
Speaker 3 (02:49):
Well you said that around's allowed to have their opinion, sure,
but they can really keep it to themselves. I think
with social media, I think that when people say you're
allowed to have your opinion, when I put something out
on social media, I'm not asking for an opinion. I'm
not even asking for your comment. It's like we did
this radio show. When we do the radio show, we
don't have someone say, well I don't agree with what
you just said then, and if they do, they just
(03:11):
yell it out into the ether. And I think that's
the real thing about social media.
Speaker 2 (03:16):
It is. Look, but in a way, are you allowed
to write something to someone? Absolutely? Look, do we have
a block button? We do, and trust me, I use
it as well. But I have often said, look, I
am not out here hurting anyone. I am actually trying
to do something good with my platform on social media,
and on top of that, even sometimes using it as
(03:38):
a creative space, Like I love photography, for example, So
if I post some pictures that I find really nice
it things like that, I should not be judged for that,
and nobody else should as well. But I don't think
it's as simple as blocking people. We shouldn't have to
do that. I'm not hurting anyone here at all. So yeah, look,
(04:00):
is it okay? No, it's not. Can we stop every
single person in the world from writing something negative? We can't.
But that's why I think it's important to call it out.
And I've put some of those comments out and posted
them and show people what I get, and it's changed.
I actually get apologies from people that have written that
(04:20):
to me, so it actually changes.
Speaker 3 (04:22):
Have you ever had an apology from your father?
Speaker 2 (04:26):
No, I haven't. I haven't. I've tried to reconcile with
him at one stage years and years ago, but it's
not possible. I think ultimately, no matter what you go through,
I think with your family or your parents, you kind
of feel like maybe you can get to a stage
where things can change and you can have a relationship,
(04:48):
but no, I don't. I think when someone isn't even
able to say sorry, or when they actually think that
they did everything right and in fact, in his words,
he will do it all over again, that's where you
draw the lot, and especially you get older, you need
to get that toxicity out of your life. So yeah, no,
no apology, and that's okay for me. It really it's
(05:10):
time to move on, to leave that aside. And I'm
actually trying to change generational abuse and the way they
was and that's my fight now and that's what I
want our legacy to be.
Speaker 3 (05:21):
Well, Jleni, you're leaving a great legacy. This book is fantastic.
Fearless is out now from all good bookstores. Lady Dog,
thank you for joining us.
Speaker 2 (05:30):
Thank you and thank you. You guys were there for me
as well with Unbreakable and now also I love having
a chat with you, so thank you.
Speaker 1 (05:36):
So much for thank you anytime I feel as you
really are and thank.
Speaker 2 (05:39):
You, thank you appreciate it. Thank you
Jersey and Amanda jam Nation. At nineteen years of age,
our next guest was ranked fourth in the world of tennis.
And while we watched that journey of success in her
sport on the sidelines, we also witnessed her father's bad tempo.
What we didn't know and we should have known, was
how bad it really was. In twenty seventeen, she shared
the level of abuse she had to endure at the
(00:21):
hands of a dad, Demir Dockage with the best selling
memoir called Unbreakable. Well now, Jolena Dockitch has released a
new book called Fearless, Finding the Power to Thrive, and
she joins us Now, Elena, Hello.
Speaker 2 (00:35):
Hi, thank you for having me.
Speaker 3 (00:36):
And it's great to talk to you again, because last
time we spoke, when you had the first book out, Unbreakable,
it was like a real sort of I guess revelation
for you. And now you're coming out through the other
side of this with this.
Speaker 2 (00:49):
Book, and yeah, yeah, pretty much. Yeah. Unbreakable obviously was yeah,
really my life story, my burger be my memoir and
something that has changed my life. I literally say that
the day that Unbreakable came out is the best day
of my life. I was able to just really share
(01:11):
my story.
Speaker 1 (01:12):
You know, you're very honest in the book about how
recovery isn't linear and the fact that you were able
to break away from your family, that life can still
be hard. You talk about very honestly about the end
of a twenty year relationship, about how the trolls on
social media and how you're trying to use your skill
set to try and still make your way through these
(01:33):
hard things.
Speaker 2 (01:35):
Absolutely not all. It's not all upwards and positive. And
I don't think anything in life is. I discovered that
as an athlete, as a tennis player, you don't always win.
There are ups and downs. Life is the same, and
I think it always kind of will be. You go
through ups and downs, and I think it's important to
(01:58):
know that, to realize that, you know that it's all
not all sunshine and rainbow.
Speaker 1 (02:03):
Why do you think people are so harsh on social media.
I'm not on Facebook or any of those things, but
I do have Instagram and I read through Twitter. But
you do such a great job as a tennis commentator,
but you attract a lot of a lot of the trolls.
Speaker 3 (02:15):
Why is that?
Speaker 2 (02:17):
I think in general, Look, when you're in the public eye.
Everyone is allowed to have an opinion, and that's okay.
I think social media brings something else to it when
someone can just write something behind a keyboard, and I
don't know very often how people can even think of
some of those things that alone write them. And I
(02:37):
always just turn the conversation around, go, well, what if
your sister or your daughter, or your mother, father doesn't matter,
got something like that.
Speaker 3 (02:49):
Well you said that around's allowed to have their opinion, sure,
but they can really keep it to themselves. I think
with social media, I think that when people say you're
allowed to have your opinion, when I put something out
on social media, I'm not asking for an opinion. I'm
not even asking for your comment. It's like we did
this radio show. When we do the radio show, we
don't have someone say, well I don't agree with what
you just said then, and if they do, they just
(03:11):
yell it out into the ether. And I think that's
the real thing about social media.
Speaker 2 (03:16):
It is. Look, but in a way, are you allowed
to write something to someone? Absolutely? Look, do we have
a block button? We do, and trust me, I use
it as well. But I have often said, look, I
am not out here hurting anyone. I am actually trying
to do something good with my platform on social media,
and on top of that, even sometimes using it as
(03:38):
a creative space, Like I love photography, for example, So
if I post some pictures that I find really nice
it things like that, I should not be judged for that,
and nobody else should as well. But I don't think
it's as simple as blocking people. We shouldn't have to
do that. I'm not hurting anyone here at all. So yeah, look,
(04:00):
is it okay? No, it's not. Can we stop every
single person in the world from writing something negative? We can't.
But that's why I think it's important to call it out.
And I've put some of those comments out and posted
them and show people what I get, and it's changed.
I actually get apologies from people that have written that
(04:20):
to me, so it actually changes.
Speaker 3 (04:22):
Have you ever had an apology from your father?
Speaker 2 (04:26):
No, I haven't. I haven't. I've tried to reconcile with
him at one stage years and years ago, but it's
not possible. I think ultimately, no matter what you go through,
I think with your family or your parents, you kind
of feel like maybe you can get to a stage
where things can change and you can have a relationship,
(04:48):
but no, I don't. I think when someone isn't even
able to say sorry, or when they actually think that
they did everything right and in fact, in his words,
he will do it all over again, that's where you
draw the lot, and especially you get older, you need
to get that toxicity out of your life. So yeah, no,
no apology, and that's okay for me. It really it's
(05:10):
time to move on, to leave that aside. And I'm
actually trying to change generational abuse and the way they
was and that's my fight now and that's what I
want our legacy to be.
Speaker 3 (05:21):
Well, Jleni, you're leaving a great legacy. This book is fantastic.
Fearless is out now from all good bookstores. Lady Dog,
thank you for joining us.
Speaker 2 (05:30):
Thank you and thank you. You guys were there for me
as well with Unbreakable and now also I love having
a chat with you, so thank you.
Speaker 1 (05:36):
So much for thank you anytime I feel as you
really are and thank.
Speaker 2 (05:39):
You, thank you appreciate it. Thank you
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