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May 3, 2024 • 48 mins
The guys are all over the breaking news with the Lakers firing head coach Darvin Ham. Top Story of the Day on who's really to blame for the Lakers falling short again in the Playoffs. Secret Textoso Roundup.
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We'll have Michelle You right after that, back to back double up guests.
Michelle You at four forty five,what are you doing for the Derby tomorrow?
Pee nothing and you go out tosant Anita. You're gonna have a
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Yeah, I like to do that. Yeah. I like to wear
my big flowery hat or my seersuckersuits one of the others. I know.
I know you like to wear thepastels. You break out your vineyard
and your cool belts and all that. Sometimes I just go full Scooba outfit.
Because it's a frog Man Friday.Those who live by the sea can

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of all time since Clipper broadcaster BrianSeaman. We're talking about the Lloyd Bridges's
character from the Great Show Sea Huntran around the coast in his boat,
the Argonaut. We're talking about noneother than Mike Milson. I was working
in a ressip wan high in themountains of South America. Not too type

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a job, but an important one, the seat pipe. We were installing
supply drinking, cooking and washing waterand thousands of people. My name is
Mike Nelson. I had a goodassistant, Durango Lima, a local diamond.
He was experienced and careful. Thatwas why it was good. Todd

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Lights at two, what are younuts? We still got to take that?
Lordom man, you know what that'slike these days. You got the
Navy everywhere, you got frogmen,you got the e C two's with the
satellite tracking, you got the belltwo nine assault choppers up the ass.
We're losing one out of every nineloads. That's no duck walk anymore.

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Let me tell you, forget aboutmoney. What do you suggest that's reasonable?
Only diner rule. Because the Dodgersare back into town after a long
road trip. Well you know Mookiebats and our player of the mondayulation's Mookie.

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Everybody's excited, Matt and I'll saythis, and I'll say it now.
VI's not with us today because weboth phoned it in on Friday with
a p H. We're here atour easy case. That was click on
the trigger. Quickly, yeah,quickly, Durango Limo telephone, you're not
like Durango Lima on that machine.You're yes, we are here at home.

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I mean, I guess it couldhome game. He could he could
do the secret com rex if hewanted to. Never shared the coordinates with
him. But apparently before we getinto it. Uh, I guess,
and and I guess i'd want Ronnieor because I know Kate's was in the
preps on but uh, I guesswhen the salty a fully functional employee ad

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him as he has called on theshow before, ours the salty A and
they're in the throes of a playoffbattle and Matt if the Clippers are are
an action movie hero, uh,and they're gonna come back and win this

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series. Right now is the partof the action movie where it looks like
they're gonna die right like the guy'sholding the gun on their head or he's
about to drop a giant rock ontheir head after a long fistfight or something
like. That's the ever in asoliloquy about how it's come to an end
and it's all over for you,yeah, and how you'll never see the

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light of day again. And afterthis, I'm gonna go after your mom
or whatever right you had to knowwhat was gonna end like this, you
dummy, right, yeah, likea Bond film, like if that was
that. As far as life imitatingart, that's the Clippers and the Mavericks
right now. The Clippers are layingon the ground ready to take the death

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blow or to have some snarky thingto say and then shoot the Mavericks with
like a watch cannon or something.And apparently, you know, Figures is
a gentle person. Kevin Figures isa great guy. He is a great
radio talent, a great producer andof course the f n A podcast and

(08:11):
Kevin Fingers Uh he is and anew father, God bless him and congratulations.
Uh. He's a little more gentle, you know. He lets Vic
do his thing. He doesn't pushback on Rodney's uh Laker stuff or whatever
Rodney's talking about when it comes tothe Lakers or who he's supporting. It's
a different story with the Salty AMatt, He's been doing a lot of

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pushing. Here's a man who hostsa Collins show following Clipper games. He
knows how to get dirty. Imean, I've seen let's tangle. I'm
gonna push back to quote pat RileyI've seen more pushing in the mids room
on Rogan and Rodney in the lastweek since Kevin's been on a paternity leave
than than long before. Adam wasreally pushing Rodney around and arguing with him.

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Oh, he took his sights offof Vic for a moment and take
on Rodney. And then he wenthard on Vic and tried like mister Waltz
was made to look ridiculous and theGodfather by Johnny Fontaine. Vic was maybe
made to look ridiculous. Oh no, not by fully functional employee Adam.
We have to ask Ronnie. Rodney'sthe only witness. Yes, okay,

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is that accurate, Ronnie? Yeah? Yeah, pretty spun on. But
you know, I will say thisabout Adam. You know, we all
know Adam has been wound really tight, especially as of late with the Clippers
in the playoffs and all. Andso, you know, the other night
when the Clippers lost, I wasseriously worried about our friend Adam because he
does tend to kind of wear hisemotions on his sleeve just a little bit,

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so you know, with him.No, I wasn't with him,
but I've been with him the lastcouple of days. Actually, yesterday he
was at the remote, but todaytoday he was surprisingly calm and it didn't
seem like he was too worried aboutanything. I think, wow, I
think what set him off is thatVic started to talk about the Clippers.

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He flip flopped on something really quick, and that set Adam off. Okay,
so Adam, so he did getset off. He did get set
off by Vic because Vic said onething thirty seconds before and then another thirty
seconds later. He completely turned aroundand said something different, and Adam didn't
like. Adam did not like it. And what about Adam and Rodney?

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I think it was more than more, just a little friendly basketball banter and
love debate, that's all it was. But he didn't get too heated.
No, No, Adam does havea tendency to get excited when he talks.
So yeah, that's all it was. Really So when it comes to
fighting with Vic or trying to abuseVic as an elder, what was this
on the Victor scale? Was thislike an eight on the Victor scale of

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elder abuse that Adam inflicted on Vic? What would you say, rod I'll
see a seven. That's pretty high. I'll see a seven maybe maybe maybe
maybe six and a half. That'sstill pretty that's pretty high. At least
they got the weekend to cool down. I guess, well, you know
what I mean. I'm hoping.I'm hoping, for Adam's sake and for
all of our sake, that theClippers can at least win tonight. You

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know, well, we got iton AM eleven fifty, and we got
the Dodger game on uh right hereon AM five seventy post gala, like
we said, and Tim Kats isvery ready to rock and roll. The
big news, of course, isthe Darvin Ham. Other than Mookie Bets
NL Player of the Week or amonth, that's big dark Darvin Ham.

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It's the year of mood. Hecalled it. Best. Say we'll join
us next hour and we'll talk moreabout this in the next segment. I'm
sure with the top story of theday. But the Lakers did it.
I figured they would when yovonn Moocame on yesterday and said the Lakers are
going to fire Darvin Ham and thengave a list of candidates. Uh,

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they did fire Darvinham today and thesearch begins for a new coach. Matt
has already let it be known atMatt Muddy Smith on Twitter who he blames
for this, and uh, youknow what I forgot. I'll tell you
what I forgot for all of thecheering and the huzzahs that Instagram produces from

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the clips that social Matt, Mattden Becky posts on the A five sports
read very important, very important andproper Instagram feed. Yes, Now the
advertising followers and really heavy interaction likes, story ads, you know, saved
bookmarks like you can keep track allthat right there, and a lot of

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action on those posts that Matt does. Yeah, the actual revenue for the
station comes from the radio portion,but there is a lot of traffic,
a lot of a lot of feelinggood about the Instagram and I feel good
about the Instagram and one of thosethings, you know, because I get
added as a as a contributor ordo it together and so you get to

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see all the comments. Why Twitter'sa different place now, I think you
forget that you post something like thaton Twitter and that's a different neighborhood now
that you're living in. That's adifferent score you're shopping at, and uh
over there on the Twitter usually justtalk about the chargers on Twitter, Yeah,

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which also believe it or not.You would think maybe a bit of
a dispassionate fan base, but nowthey can get very, very hot on
Twitter regardless of the topic topic.Maybe the Raider fans are always hovering,
you know, waiting to drop thehammer on you there. Oh yeah,
So the Laker coaching candidates JJ Reddick, who might be too smart to take
the job and so savvy he issuch a savvy addition piece, if he's

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as smart as as they say heis, that he's too smart to take
the job with Lebron turning forty insix months and no depth on the team,
or maybe he's so smart that hejust says, oh, it's a
straight cash grab for me. Ican't make six million dollars a year at
ESPN, but I can coaching theLakers for one of my four year contract.

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Wow, he does have that vintagewine addiction that he was that we
talked about with Lebron yesterdayoff season onthe show. Other candidates Crespy High School
coach Derek Fisher, Crespy High Schoolparent Matt Barnes in the news for all

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the right reasons lately, Oh TV, I want to lead my men.
Shack Shack actor. I think isworth about five hundred million dollars. Yeah,
but he can get so much attention. Yeah, actors, that's what
he doesn't have enough of Rick Foxand maybe Kurt Rambis last gasp. Candidate.

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Depends if the shadow owners involved inthe hiring coach. Shadow owners totally
going to be involved. Lebron shouldbe the player coach, just like Bill
Russell did with the Celtics in thelate sixties when Red Arabauc kicked himself upstairs.
He's smarter. He's smarter than anyother coach they're going to hire or
just ask him. When I saidwhen I said that about Kobe, I

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meant it when they couldn't find acoach to please Kobe at the end,
And I mean it again, Lebronplayer coach. Do it. It's the
only coach he'll be able to getalong with. And who knows, maybe
we'll get some tweets about the coachfrom Lebron's Twitter feed From at King James,
you guys appreciate the tweets from GeorgeCarl on Twitter. I really enjoyed

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the George Carl tweets. Well,George Carl is very snarky on Twitter,
and people hate George Carl on Twitter, and he constantly is fighting with j
R. Smith Smith and Carmelo Anthony. He's always fighting with those two guys
players. Yeah, which is notgreat, but he is not a good

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look for coach. He has turnedhis attention to the Lakers the last year
or so and really gone after Lakerfans and after they got bounced by the
Nuggets again and then today the coachingchange, he really got after. Yeah,
and he's a former Nugget coach,so you know a bit of a
bias there from coach Carl and coachessupport coaches support coaches, you know.
The second that the second that theNuggets beat the Lakers, Mike Malone's statement

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was about Darvin Hammond, what agood coach he is, and he hopes
he keeps his job. Like theseguys support each other. They actually really
do, because they see guys getfired all the time and they see that
as themselves and so often it isbecause these guys take the fall before the
players do. But what is thismatter? I believe on your very polerizing

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tweet that you sent out earlier,it's something like the fourth coach in seven
years. Yeah, it'll be Lebronif they resign him, which is expected
FATA company. Is what Bill Plashkisaid, it'll be his fourth coach in
seven years. Let me read theMatt money Smith tweet, because man,
is it snarky? Yeah, becauseI have not been back on Twitter in
about two hours. Just die.I launch it and then I leave and

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I show up two days later.It says, congratulations at King James,
you'll be on your fourth coach inseven seasons. Failure in five year,
six Laker campaigns has nothing to dowith your performance. And then he put
a gift of Matt Damon and RobinWilliams and Goodwill hunting and Robin Williams is
saying it's not your fault and oneof our favorites here, but in real

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life it is his fault, andMatt's saying that it is. That's right,
partially his fault. He is asmuch to blame for the failures.
Last time I checked, he's failedin seasons when Darvinham wasn't the coach.
I think Matt's two favorite movie isnot like this, right, and it's

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not your fault. Your fault likethis and it's not your fault. I
do I can't get enough of it, and it is a it's a it's
a bad look that Lebron has firedanother coach. But uh, there was
the pitchforks and the anger of thevillagers has been teaming for quite some time
regarding Darvinham. And I know thatfrom Twitter as well, Matt, because

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I'm often in the neighborhood that's throwingpunches on Twitter. I don't I don't
argue with people on Twitter, butbut I'm on there and we post the
show and all that, and thenor do I I won't argue with them,
but I will on occasion read thethe angry responses to my tweets.
Well, you know there's gonna beLebron support on Twitter, Matt. They're

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always is. Yeah. They don'tneed to rally in my favorite like the
K Pop does for some of thebigger names. You know, said the
world, they'll come get you,the bee Hive for Beyonce or the Swifties.
You know where they threaten your lifeand they docks your house, they
get your job. This is thebest comment on Matt's snarky Lebron tweet from

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three hours ago. It says theone pole Fumador money won't smoke. See,
I wish I would have read that. That is good. Maybe I
need to get back there. Seesee, and look there's something that even
I was look three hours ago,somebody taking my take. Maybe Lebron should
just be player slash coach. Thankyou. There it is. We workshop

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these things. We put ideas outthere, we plant seeds. And here
Ropolinka told us he wants to hearfrom you. He wants to hear what
you have to say on the show. Here's a guy four hours ago,
Matt, four hours ago, who'sreally trying to you know, he's that
he's a real peacekeeper. I'm coolif he stays, but honestly, wouldn't
be mad to start a new postLebron era. Might be time for both

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sides, see Matt not just straightforward? Hey man, you know what I'm
all right keeping get rid of onwhatever? Man, Can we all just
get along? See see we're gettingreal. Oh and here's one that says,
see that's a positive. Anybody threateningmy life? Oh here's one.

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Oh, he ain't responding to you, little broot because I because I wrote
it as a yeah to King James. Oh look at this horrible, horrible
take. Just very matter of fact, this take is horrible? Who the

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one says? By this logic?Matt? Is it also Herbert's fault?
The Chargers are now on coach numberthree going into his fifth year. Oh
that's good money. I love yourChargers coverage. But to go after Lebron
like this, Oh look at this. Really you're pinning this on Lebron.

(21:08):
It's his fault. Hand couldn't figureout offense? Is not the idea behind
me lobbing that out and then loggingoff of Twitter for two days. Hamlet's
standing there with his hands in hispockets with a poll of Twitter on runs
three plus months to figure out startedfive and loss of locker room. Woo,
Matt, you think you're gonna seethis and have a moment of self
reflection. Chill out, dude,Chill out, dude. Yeah, I

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sent that thing off. I meanthat thing was posted and I was already
on that retweet. I look atthat tweet like thirty four seconds later.
This is my favorite. This isnot what I had hoped was going to
be the exercise. This is thebest Twitter feed era automatic follow. First
of all, congratulations at herbs tenincher Herbert's number one soldier on Twitter.
It says, let him know moneyenough, is it not? And then

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this one from uh the father ofthe guy who had sex with Saka Juwea
I think or Pocahontas one of them, John Smith, and it says,
you are such a loser. Ohokay, look at this. You didn't

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like being compared to Rogan and Rodneyyesterday or the other day. And here
it comes again. Oh, sonof them, bitch, This is Fred
Rogan level spite. This all startsat the top. If you really had
some balls, you'd push Genie tosell the team. The next time she
shows up at a tourist spot,Well, that would definitely take some balls.
She was kind enough to drive fromwell that actually out to a thousand

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oaks. We're gonna light a giganticWe're gonna light a gigantic fern formation on
fire, and it's gonna spell outsell the team. She's gonna see it
from like a mile away, andthe and the Jackson is going to turn
around. So anyway, Matt,there's your tweets. That's what you're walking
into, and that's what you're walkinginto in the next segment with your hot

(23:07):
take I've already given you mine.Hire the Cresby coach, one of the
Crespies Dads, Rick Fox, maybeRambus or Shack, or just let Lebron
be player coach. But the topstory of the day is next. The
Lakers have fired Darvin Ham. Thecity is devastated that Darwin Ham's just gonna

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be like, hey, remember whenthat guy coach the Lakers? Just another
one of those guys, Matt,How many of those guys do we have?
All of them? A lot?Why can't we keep anybody hold any
ship? Can't hold anybody to ourbosom and get to know him. We'll
have more Next, it's a frogMan. We played some Deeta rule organ

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a little earlier. We still gotDavid Vasse, Michelle You talking about what
they're doing in Santa Nita. Forthe Kentucky Derby, Tim kaits with Morono,
Dodgers on deck. Dodgers Brave startsat six, first pitch at seven
to ten, Cavin Stone off themound to night. And now it's time
for the top story of the day. Top story of it will be the

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theme of the hour. As wealready dug into the Darvinham firing, we
extend that conversation here in the topstory of the day. I think it's
important to put some context on it, the firing one. When he was
hired, there weren't a lot ofpeople that were excited about it. The
idea of a first year, firsttime head coach to coach up Lebron James

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in the twilight of his career,knowing how hard he has historically been on
head coaches, didn't seem like agood idea, and the pushback was Lebron
is arguably the smartest player that's everplayed the game of basketball. It's not
about actors and o's. It's aboutlocker room. It's about character, It's
about culture, and Darvinham has thatwith glowing remarks reviews and has kind of

(25:21):
shown that as an assistant coach throughouthis career, and that's what we think
is special about him. I believeLebron James obviously is you would expect all
players, especially someone with the cachetand the reputation and the popularity of James,
once you have a new head coachis going to support him on social
media. So damn excited is whathe said when he was hired, and

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that leads me to believe that.You know, they were fine with knowing
this guy's going to have to growas a coach. That maybe he's a
good leader, he's a good communicator, he's good at keeping the locker room
together, but in terms of ingame adjustments, second have adjustments, managing
timeouts, figuring out rotations. Thatwas something that was probably going to have

(26:07):
to catch up to the other thingsthat they really liked. That's what you
hired. It's a first time headcoach, and I think, you know,
to try to relitigate that from twoyears ago doesn't make any sense because
they weren't looking for the people thatwe were pushing, the Tom Thibodeaux,
the Tehran Lews, you know.And look, when was Darvinham out coached

(26:27):
in the series against Denver. Yeah, I guess Mike Malone is one of
the best coaches in the league.He should have never been fired from Sacramento.
The Kings have rude the day sincethey did that. But because the
Lakers are up nineteen in the thirdquarter in Game two, a game they
would go on to lose, andeverybody pointing to that as his death.
Now, he wasn't out coached,that they were up nineteen. Was seven

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minutes to play in that third,and it was nothing but bad Lakers execution
that saw it get cut to tento go into the fourth. There were
three turnovers by Anthony Davis, twoturnovers by Lebron, a bunch of miss
shots. Is that on ham No, they're still up ten in the fourth.
Lebron has an ok quarter. Hescored twenty in the quarter, but

(27:10):
he had some turnovers. So whathappens. Lebron sat at the ten minute
mark to catch a breather. Adcomes in, so they're not both on
the bench. They're up nine atthe time, got a couple miss shots.
Russell misses a three, Tory andPrince missus a three. Dinwitti misses
a layup, and now all ofa sudden it's down to five time out.
They pull Russell, they put inVincent Torrian is out, Lebron is

(27:33):
in, so now he's on thefloor with Anthony Davis, Dinwitti's out,
Reeves is in, Hachi Mura's outthere. So it's basically the regular lineup
saved the Angelo Russell. They gota five point lead with eight minutes left,
and from there they extend it andthen the wheels came off. So
I just I need to know,is this is what everybody's pointing to.
Twenty point loss, twenty point leadblown in Game two, should have been

(27:56):
a win. Russell checks back in. So now you've got all your starters
up six with four minutes left.It could have been seven had he made
a free throw. After an andone, They're up six with three minutes
left. Murray hits, really misses. Joker hits, he's fouled. He
makes the free throw. It's aone point game, and here's the final

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ninety seconds. Please explain to mehow this being the singular event that everybody
is pointing to today as the deathknell and the straw that broke and all
of those things. Lebron makes abasket. They're up three, porter ties
the game. Russell layup puts himup two. Lebron files Jamal Murray.
He hits the free throws tied again. Lebron hits a layup. They are

(28:41):
now up a bucket with under aminute to go. Jamal Murray hits a
jumper to tie the game. Lebronmisses a wide open three pointer. Murray
makes the jumper at the buzzer.And the Nuggets win. That's on Darvin
Ham. That's why he's been firedtoday because of that sequence of events in

(29:02):
the fourth quarter that certainly substitution patternwise defensively, the fact that it's a
back and forth a fair like that. That's why Darvin Ham is fired because
they blew a twenty point lead ina game in which there are always runs,
especially by really good teams, especiallyby teams that have the likes of

(29:22):
Jamal Murray and Nikola Jokic and MichaelPorter and are the defending NBA chance.
That's Darvin Ham's fault. They didn'tlose Game three because Darvin Ham had bad
rotations. They lost it because D'AngeloRussell went zero for seven for zero points.
It feels like they were never goingto beat the Denver Nuggets, right,
he was gonna get fired no matterwhat because they weren't going to beat

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the Nuggets, and if they lostthe series, he was going to get
fired if anything like if anything tocome out of the series, I think
it spoke to the fact that theywon Game four, that they did go
out and play that they did.They didn't just one, two, three,
can't coon it. And because theydon't want to fly back to Denver
and play at mile High at fiftytwo to fifty and have to fly home

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after a loss, you know thatthey would They should have just folded,
knowing no one's ever come back fromzero three and they're playing the defending champs,
a team that beat them eleven straighttimes. Like that would have really
been, to me a statement abouthis inability to rally a locker room,
you know, And instead they makea statement win. They forced Game five,

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and obviously we have already litigated Gamefive over and over and over.
It was very competitive, very competitive. Nine minutes from the nine minute mark
of the fourth quarter, neither teamled by more than two points. It
was back and forth the entire fourthquarter. And like the idea that he
doesn't manage his timeouts, and howcould he call that challenge and not realize

(30:52):
and not know the rules. Howcould he call the challenge because Lebron is
in his face, spinning his stupidfinger telling him to run a challenge.
That's how he calls a challenge,Like I'm not trying to defend, you
know, I don't. I'm notsaying like, hey, this is a
damn shame that Darvin Ham was fired. I think it's you knew what you
were hiring, and this is like, this is where and so then beyond

(31:18):
all that, when people push backwith those sort of positions. Well,
his rotations in the middle of theseason, I mean, you know,
you lost eleven out of sixteen games, and that's how they ended up as
the eight seed. What the hellwas he doing? How was Russell on
the bench? How was Hachi Murraon the bench? I don't know who
just said Russell was zero for sevenin a playoff game. Hasn't had the
greatest career. It's been pretty streaky, pretty hot and cold, little bit

(31:40):
defensive adverse. You know that.It's not like he has been nails his
entire career. He does have stretcheswhere he struggles. Now, clearly the
rotations were weird. The starters versusbench players were weird. I get that.
But maybe it's a coach trying tofigure something out to get his team
right, because they were right whenthey won the Ncason Tournament. They were
right, and he took them tothe conference finals. And yet that's that

(32:05):
again. If this is the reasonwhy he's getting fired for a sixteen game
run in the middle of the season, so they again, they can mail
it in. They can just say, well, he really screwed us,
sunk our ship, and instead they, as Jovon Buha told us yesterday,
became one of the best teams inthe NBA over the final eight weeks of
the season. So he's able toovercome their mid season low, get them

(32:30):
focused, play great basketball, winon the road, in the playing game
so they don't have to play ina second play in game, and end
up as a seventh seed. Andthen he puts them through a series that
everybody wants to tell all that thisis what's so funny about it, right,
like all the Laker fans are like, uh, skuy, gotta get
rid of him. But at thesame time, five days ago, they're

(32:51):
like, Lakers led that series seventyfive minutes seventy five percent of the time,
seventy five percent of the minutes theyrun the lead. Okay, well,
that would lead me to believe goodcoaching. Right, If they're up
seventy five percent of the time,it seems like the coach had a good
game plan, seems like they kindof knew how they wanted to approach the
defending champions. That swept them lastyear and just couldn't execute in the final

(33:13):
couple minutes. Yet it's his faultthat they lost. Look, I get
it, it's the idea that Hamis not going to take the fall is
just not the way the end.Do we have that, Kates? Do
we have that? Charles Barkley sound, Let's get that. You know a
lot of these people on television,they're cowards because they want the players to

(33:35):
like them. They don't want todo their job, which is to tell
the truth. And I just wantto say it's about coaching. Anybody who
thinks the reason the Lakers suck isbecause of Darvin Ham, or the reason
the Sun sucked is because of FrankVogel, you don't know what you're talking
about. Frank Vogel is a hellof a coast. Darvin Ham is a
hell of a coast trying to gethis career started. But for all you

(33:58):
punks, idiots and on other networkswho want to be medium who want all
the players to like y'all, doyour damn job. The Lakers suck and
the Son sucked because of the players, has nothing to do with the coaches.
I feel better now here. Ican tell looks like you or he's
right, and that's the key.You hired a guy who had never been

(34:22):
a head coach before, who wasjust coming off the court an incredibly respected
player, and like, those arethe qualities that you brought him in for.
And so like this and this goesto, you know, Frank Vogel,
who was brought in and won atitle, and everybody wants to give
Lebron his flowers and celebrate him forwinning the COVID times you have a miss
flowers. Matt sam Amick was there, but they don't want to give it

(34:45):
to Frank Vogel, Like they're okaywith him being fired in a season following
the season two years after he wona title that Lebron missed twenty six games
and Anthony Davis miss forty two games, not to mention Lebron force the freaking
Russell westbrook Bs trade on him inthat season, like he's got to be
He's the guy that's got to takethe fall for that too. So it's

(35:07):
okay, Lebron's good to stay,give him his three year extension because it
counts. That COVID title counts,and we can't forget that. But the
guy who coached the team to startplaying defense to win that title has to
be fired after going sub five hundred. I think it was like thirty nine
and forty three or something like that. You know, it's not two years

(35:28):
later when everybody missed games. It'snot just unique to the Lakers situation,
but it's hyper hyper just emphasized becauseof Lebron exactly. Lebron makes it that
much worse. But coaches have totake the fall in the NBA. That's
just the reality of it. Andit's not new, like you mentioned the
other day, but this almost feelslike we just go through the same weird

(35:52):
masquerade and it's not even I mean, it's so transparently annoying to blame these
guys for this, for this guy'sinability to get a team together. Yeah,
it's it's because they do what hesays. I mean, they spread
everything up by getting they do,they got Westbrook. They that's the last

(36:14):
point, that's the exact point,and that's where you fire Rob Polinka.
That's where he's the And I don'tlike firing guys, but it's not the
coach. If if Rob Polinka leaksto the media that he had a deal
done for Miles Turner and Buddy Healed, and it was derailed because Lebron wanted
Westbrook or there that DeMar Derozen leaksthat his agent basically said, you're going

(36:36):
to La and Polinka put that tradetogether and and he's comfortable with those and
and you let Lebron and his agentnuke it, then you can't be in
that position. You can't. Youcannot hold the title as vice president of
basketball operations if you allow a playerto derail what you think is going to

(36:58):
be the best move for your team. And that's it. Just go go
look at what and this is nothingnew for Lebron. Right, he got
our David Blatt fired in Cleveland.He went to pat Riley and said,
you gotta fire Spoe. You gota fire Spolster. He doesn't know what
he's doing. Pat Riley told himthe pound sand and said he's going to
be a great coach and you're goingto figure it out. And don't ever

(37:19):
come to me with that BS again. And of course when Spolster gets his
extension in the middle of this season, it's it's at King James on Twitter.
Congrats Spoe, one of the bestin the league. Yeah, Fu,
you tried to get the guy firedbecause you have no patience, you
know, you and I And that'sone of the things that probably the baggage
that comes with him being as smartof a player as he is. He

(37:40):
just thinks he has all the answersand he doesn't like what coaches tell him
to do because he thinks he's gota better option. So it's hard to
freaking coach the guy. But thisis on Polinka. It's on him for
not hiring Tyron Lou when that's whoLebron wanted and it would have worked,
and he low balled him and hetold him he had to have Kurt Rambis
on his staff and Lou said,no, that's not happening. Well,

(38:02):
Rambus is still there waiting for thejob. There you go, So bring
in JJ Reddick. It'll be great, brilliant basketball mind. He's gotten media
training. They do podcasts, oldMan and a three. How are they
going to spend the summertime? Imean doing whatever Lebron puts on our schedule

(38:29):
and Pelinka see what happens is Lebronputs it together, then he hands it
to Pelinka. Pelinka rubber stamps itand then it comes out on a Laker
statement like you better have a massiveupgrade over Darvinham, and I don't know
who that is, because there wasno reason you signed the guy to four
years. It's his first job,takes him to the conference final last year,

(38:52):
competitive in the first round this year. It's not like they got blown
off the court. You know,the game's competitive, So it's such like
again, it's just a it's afall guy. It is a fall guy
for a particular someone who has advancedout of the playoffs twice in his in

(39:14):
the playoffs twice in his six yearshere. They fired the concierge at the
motel that Lebron nails us at,but he's still nailing us over and over
and over again. Didn't they fireHam's assistant, Phil Handy, who Lebron
liked, did they? Yeah?They fired him too. Too many handies.

(39:37):
No getting out of the way forJJ Reddick or Lebron James player coach.
Yeah, there you go. We'llbe back with more. David Vessel
joined us from Dodger Stadium, comingup in about thirty minutes. Michelle U
from Santa Anita. A great spotfor you to go hang out tomorrow.

(39:58):
For the Kentucky Derby. Got alot going on on. Watched the derby
from Santa Anita and they got abig party in the infield. He meets
you. A lot of madness,voodoo, ghost glows, skulls are playing,
got a bunch of hat contests,things like that. So Michelle,
you will get into all that inabout an hour. All right, man,
on this frog Man Friday, we'llhave some reaction to all the Laker

(40:20):
talk. Now the text so thesecret texts fine, brought to you by
your so called Toyota dealers. Wemake it easy. Didn't Darvin Ham tell
them that they practically won Game two? That's got to count for something.
No, John Ireland, according tothe broadcast, I don't know what they

(40:43):
said. I think he said iton the radio. Tim Katsh Kates was
listening to the game on the wayback right Sunday, last Sunday. All
right, so yeah, so hesaid it on the show. He said
it on the broadcast saur previous gameSaturday, after Game three or four,
whatever it was that they won thegame, they won the game four?
They won, That was it.What are you guys gonna do for the
summertime? Keep ssing on Lebron Probably, I don't know. I mean,

(41:09):
I don't know what the plan is. I mean, if they draft Bronnie,
there'll be some ssen on Lebron,right, I think it just full
disclosure. They give him a threeyear, one hundred and sixty four million
dollar deal, probably be some senon him. They don't have to draft
Bronni if they make him the coach. Yeah, well, will make Bronni

(41:30):
the coach, right, and youdon't have to draft it. They hired
JJ Reddick, Yeah, probably son him. Well. JJ Reddick's too
smart. He knows that Lebron's forty, and he knows they don't have a
bench. He knows that it's thefront office that is accountable. But it's
Lebron that controls the front office.So it's a serpent eating its tail and
ineptitude. Can you please play theMasquerade song? Thank you so much?

(41:53):
That's from a listener Paper Faces onParade, and that really is kind of
like what it feels like because wego through the same thing all the time.
I guess we can't play the masscareer. Why you don't want to

(42:21):
get into that now that we teamslike it's been many years. Genie Bust
needs to grow a pair and moveon from Lebron. Better yet, hire
Lebron as head coach and then firehim. Well, that'd be the one

(42:45):
way we can get rid of him, right he now he was head coach.
Well it's been two years. Youknow you're terrible. Mike Brown got
a year in five games because Magicfired him from the preseason. Remember that
that was a good one. Everytime what he saw in the preseason,
So that yeah, that was Kobe. That was a good one. Every
time you guys mentioned getting nailed bythe King, I scrambled to turn my

(43:07):
volume down in my office computer somy staff does not think I'm watching porn.
I'm getting I'm getting pretty quick.I can see that I put twenty
five percent of the blame on VTBlost. Yes, this guy says,

(43:28):
I put twenty five percent of theblame on VTB for normalizing the behavior of
Lebron, and the other seventy fivepercent on those star efforts which have also
tricked him out. Let's face it, Kevin, Karen bass Is and our
mayor, she's our Rob Plinka.Congratulations on your end season tournament win.

(43:52):
Hey, we won, we won? Uh? It is. I don't
know what else there is to sayabout it, though, Matt, but
it's it's certainly a sad situation.And the terrible thing about it is this
Darvin ham firing is eclipsing the biggame tonight on AM eleven fifty between the
Clippers and the Mavericks. Don McLainthinks they're going to win. So,

(44:15):
I mean, everybody should be talkingabout how exciting this big Clippers Mavericks game
is going to be tonight, andinstead we're lamenting another Laker coach. Who
will just be a trivia question answer. I mean, how many guys has
Lebron gotten fired? He tried toget spell fired? Yeah, he got

(44:38):
David Blatt fired. Who did heget fired when he was first in Cleveland?
Nobody? Or was he too youngto get anybody fired. That's a
good question I'm trying because you wouldassume, I mean, they hired Blat
because they had nobody else. Hehad everybody blaming Lou for the time they
lost to the Warriors in the finals. Remember that, So Mike did coach

(45:00):
for Yeah, Mike Brown lost inthe finals. Uh, he was,
he was. He was Lebron's headcoach for two, three, four or
however, I don't know when Lebronleft to go to Miami. How many
heads Matt you know, like howmany heads, how many hats are on
his you know, like murder withPaul Silas, Farmer Patrick, somebody show

(45:27):
gets a great man. So hewas fired halfway through the season, and
then, uh, he only hadone coach his first time through after Silas,
it was just Mike Brown the wholetime, okay for Miami. So
that got Mike Brown fired. Uhthat well, that, yes, and
then by because they fired him andhired Byron Scott in the hopes that would
convince Lebron to stay. Okay,so I'm going to count Mike Brown as

(45:50):
one of his heads. So Silasand Brown, then he tried to get
Spoke, couldn't get him. Well, he got David Blatt fired, and
then he got Black fired blaired,and then got Tyleru hired, and then
he got Tyleru blamed, and thenhe got Vogel fired, and now he's
gotten Ham fired. Yeah, andnow we're up to date, yes,

(46:12):
Tim, speaking of dates, justto kind of give everybody a calendar here,
what's gonna happen with Lebron? Junetwenty sixth and twenty seventh is the
NBA Draft. Free agency negotiations canbe in beginning with the players not on
your own team on June thirtieth.July one, free agency moratorium starts,
and then of course a week laterhe can officially sign. Lebron will report

(46:34):
to USA Basketball training camp after freeagency begins. So we still got another
almost two months to go of it, and that'll be a fews. We's
got the whole playoffs to go.The finals aren't till late June. That's
what I'm saying. There's gonna bea few days for the dust to settle
of the ham firing, and thenLebron is going to emerge, maybe with
a video of him shooting baskets inthe driveway with Bryce, maybe a Taco

(46:59):
Tuesday made something. He will emergeagain and try to get our attention and
divert our attention from the guys thatare actually playing and competing once more.
It's wild to think that he's beena Laker fifty percent longer than he was
a Heat. The heatles, Yeah, and it's crazy. It's crazy to

(47:23):
think that he's been around so longgetting coaches fired for so long that the
first coach that he got fired isdead. Paul Silas, I've been getting
guys fired for so long. Thefirst guy got fired died. Remarkable.

(47:49):
So there's your Lebron hour of greatsports talk. We'll continue, but we
have a lot of other great sportstalking dishes to wash as the show goes
on. David Vasse and Michelle Youcoming up in this hour.
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