April 8, 2024 • 41 mins
Colin tells you why he was right about Stefon Diggs and wrong about Doc Rivers
His thoughts on LeBron James' son Bronny, entering the NBA Draft
Guest: Rachel Nichols
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Speaker 1 (00:27):
It's our two. It is a Monday. We're live in
Los Angeles. It's the Hurt. Wherever you may be and
however you may be listening. Thanks for making us part
of your day. Mick cronin Last Hour, UCLA basketball coach
talking Purdue in Yukon. I like Yukon tonight. I think
it's in the six seven point range Yukon. I bet
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Yukon every game in the tournament. I've been betting Yukon
for two years. I think they are historically relevant and
much bigger outside of Zach Edy than Purdue. I think
they match up very well with Purdue. Purdue as the
tallest player the rest, the size for Yukon is a
huge advantage and I think it's a close game. In
the first half, Yukon pulls away dominates the glass, Zach
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Edy will get his against everybody. It's been funny because
a year ago I watched Zaki Edie a couple times
at Purdue, and I'm like, yeah, that's not an NBA player.
The one thing I like about him is that dude
has worked. Zach Edy's a much improved player.
Speaker 3 (01:22):
Yeah, he's gonna have some troubles with Klinging tonight.
Speaker 4 (01:25):
The big kid does seven to two from you. Yukon
so stacked. It's tough not to like Yukontin.
Speaker 3 (01:30):
I know, I got some perdue buddies who one of
them flew out to the Final four and is living
his best life out there.
Speaker 4 (01:35):
But I kind of like Yukon Conn.
Speaker 1 (01:38):
Yeah, I do too. All right, Time for Colin right,
Colin wrong?
Speaker 2 (01:41):
Here we go where Colin was right?
Speaker 1 (01:43):
I said, John Calipari always gets defensive and uncomfortable when
you question his vision on one and done. And so
he just bailed on a great program Kentucky to go
to Arkansas because he was uncomfortable with Kentucky, saying John,
we need a little more in March. It's not a
move I would have made. He's gonna make a bunch
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of money, But I think people finally ask the question. Yeah,
it's recruiting, it's great, but you gotta deliver in March.
If you're the head coach of Kentucky, nobody cares how
rich the players get in the NBA. They want to
be enriched at Kentucky. And that's what he didn't do
the last four or five years.
Speaker 2 (02:24):
Where Colin was raw.
Speaker 1 (02:26):
I will say this for Luca and Kyrie, it's not
just about winning. The MAVs now are a top five
defensive rated team, and Kyrie has been a good teammate,
and I just didn't see it. I'd watched his career.
I saw how Boston worked, I saw how Brooklyn worked.
All I know right now Luca and Kyrie have the
highest net rating in the league. The only one better
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is Jokich and several teammates. So this is a big
surprise for me. They're better defensively, They're a lot of
fun to watch. They're offensively brilliant, a little bit like Phoenix,
but a better version where the offense is scintilating. But
you just don't know how it plays in later April,
May and June. But I was wrong where Colin was right. Listen,
I've been saying this forever purists, you can't lean on them.
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Go big in sports talk Dallas Cowboys talk the big brands.
Women's college basketball, Iowa on a Friday night, and that's
a terrible TV night. Beat every college football game except
Michigan Ohio State. Lean into Stars is the key to television.
Stop with the purity. Stop. Caitlin Clark's the star, Tiger's
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a star, the Cowboys are stars. You can't talk enough
about Caitlin Clark and Iowa and stars. It's how in
a fragmented world people are busy and distracted. Caitlyn Clark
galvanized the country.
Speaker 2 (03:52):
Where Colin was right.
Speaker 1 (03:54):
Well, I said, I watched Yukon play three times in
the regular season, and I said, I don't live for
college basketball. I'm a casual. But that is easily the
best team in college basketball. They are winning at the
tournament by twenty five a game, and these are the
best teams, and I think they'll win by about eight
or nine tonight. Dan Hurley on what he has built
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with the Huskies.
Speaker 5 (04:18):
Our identity is to be pretty relentless, and you know
we might not break you for you know, eighteen minutes,
twenty five minutes, you know, but at some point, if
what we're doing at both ends and on the backboard
is at a high level, it just becomes hard for
the other team to sustain it.
Speaker 1 (04:36):
Yep, And that's why I think they beat Perdue. A
very good and worthy Purdue team. Tonight, we'll say about
the seventy eight seventy fields about.
Speaker 2 (04:45):
Right where Colin was row Doc Rivers.
Speaker 1 (04:48):
The Bucks are still a number two seed, but he's
fifteen and seventeen as a head coach. I thought it
would take a while, but it would be better than
this because Doc rivers history is he's good with older teams.
He was good when he got KG and Ray Allen,
and he's always been good with veteran players. Some coaches
are Frank Vogel's good with Biggs, Mike D'Antoni good with pacing.
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It has not worked. I know that he deflects criticism.
I know his rotations get a lot of criticism. But
I did think, oh, this will work, this will fit,
and it really this is a strained team that just
doesn't look.
Speaker 2 (05:22):
Right where Colin was right.
Speaker 1 (05:24):
I said this before the season, enduring it. Jalen Brunson's
the biggest basketball star and the best basketball star in
New York since Patrick Ewing. I saw him play live Friday.
He's better. He's better than I thought. I love everything
about him. I love that he went to Villanova. I
love how tough he is. I love his resilience. He's
getting better. He scored forty three. The Knicks should not
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be beating Milwaukee. They should not be He's just a
tremendous player, and being a star is more than just
about getting yours. People want to play with him when
he's on the floor. He jumps off a TV. He
jumps when you're there. He is this force of nature.
I know a lot of small guys don't lead teams
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to titles, but I don't think he has to win
a title in New York to validate his greatness. Good
for Jalen Brunson where Colin was right. Stefan Diggs. We
said it a year ago that Josh Allen was tired
of the drama. I'm a big fan of Stefan Diggs.
I would take him. I think the Texans got a
good player, but they wiped out the final three years
in his contract to make him a free agent after
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the season, and I think it's a smart move. Listen
in my life. For whatever reasons, I don't know why,
but wide receivers break the huddle first. It's more of
an individual position, and you know, sometimes they bring some drama.
I can think two things at once. I like the player.
I like the player a lot. I'm glad he's going
to the Texans. I think he'll make a difference. But
we called this for the last six months to a year.
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It just felt like it was increasingly strained in Buffalo.
Speaker 2 (06:54):
Where Colin was right.
Speaker 1 (06:55):
You know, defensive football coaches drive me nuts. The Patriots
signed a deal for a sake, Kyle Duggar, who's a
good player, for almost sixty million bucks. Defensive coaches stop
paying linebackers and safeties of fortune. Pay wide receivers, tackles,
quarterbacks and occasional running back. This is my issue with
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the Patriots. They hired somebody who has the same vision,
albeit a younger person, of Bill Belichick. The teams right
now that are growing and getting the most out of
draft picks, in my opinion, are offensive coaches. Safeties are fine.
They're fine, like a good safety. I'm not paying sixty
million for one. Where Colin was right, where Colin was wrong.
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Let's bring in our friend, Rachel Nichols, Fox Sports, NBA
analyst and reporters now joining us today. We've got so
many things to talk about, so many things to talk about,
I said, Rachel, I said earlier, a lot of great
athletes ride a wave. Caitlin was the wave.
Speaker 5 (07:54):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (07:54):
Absolutely, And there's a magic dust a quality. I always
thought Tiger had it, Michael obviously had it. I think
Wayne Gretzky had it. In your opinion, what is it?
It's a combination of what.
Speaker 6 (08:06):
Look, it's so many things right. First of all, she's
the right player at the right time. They've been building
to this. There are stars in women's basketball, women's sports
in general that have been building to this moment.
Speaker 7 (08:15):
So that's part of it. Part of it is the
way she hits those threes from the logo.
Speaker 6 (08:19):
It captured our attention with Steph Curry, captures our attention
with Damian Lillard, and boy, it captures our attention with
Caitlin Clark, and then her ability to play under all
of that pressure. All of that attention is part of
it too.
Speaker 7 (08:30):
That's its own skill.
Speaker 6 (08:32):
We've seen players who have had that much attention focused
on them and they've crumbled. And the fact that she
has been able to be such a standard bearer for
the women's game at the same time as being a
flat out dog scorer for her team is so exceptional,
and I think game just recognizes this game. That's why
all the NBA players are standing for her, because they
see what she can do out there.
Speaker 1 (08:51):
Now, she'll obviously help the WNBA. College basketball has a
different feel, but I do feel she'll have some impact, right.
Speaker 7 (08:58):
Oh, absolutely, everyone's waiting to see him.
Speaker 6 (09:00):
By the way, she hasn't even drafted yet, right, technically,
we know she's bound for the Indiana Fever, but we
don't know for fare.
Speaker 7 (09:08):
It hasn't happened yet.
Speaker 6 (09:09):
And yet the Las Vegas Aces, because they're such a
super team and there's so much interest in them, have
already pre booked a twenty thousand seat arena for next
year for this summer's upcoming Fever Aces game.
Speaker 2 (09:21):
She's still playing.
Speaker 6 (09:22):
When they booked that arena, she was still at Iowa.
They were like, Yep, this is what's gonna happen. So
that's coming to the NBA WNBA along with her, And
I just think you're getting a whole crop of women
in this class who are going to uplift that league.
Speaker 8 (09:33):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (09:34):
I mean Cheryl Miller in eighty three similarly got twelve
million the league. College women's basketball didn't sustain the number.
Now the product's much better. Yeah, generations of encouraging young
women to be athletes, the sport's better. I mean I
watched I'm sitting there watching Yukon Iowa and I'm watching
Iowa South Carolina and I'm like, oh, this is just
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good product. Yeah, like this is right. So is there
a sense that listen, not every movie is to be
the Avengers, But is there a sense that this momentum
will be to some degree sustained. Oh.
Speaker 6 (10:05):
I think it'll be sustained on many fronts. I think
we're going to see women's college basketball continue to get
good numbers because people came for Caitlin Clark in this tournament,
but they were introduced to Juju, they were introduced to
Paige Beckers, they were introduced to other players who will
still be their next season. And I think those rivalries
built in a world that does not want and done.
Speaker 7 (10:22):
Like on the men's side, people.
Speaker 6 (10:24):
Are interested, they wanted to see By the way, the
continued beef between LSU and Iowa this year after what
happened last year. They wanted to see the continued beef
between South Carolina and Iowa after what happened last year.
You can't get that in the men's game right now
because guys are out the door so quickly. I think
we'll see it carry over into the WNBA. As I said,
we're already seeing it with their pre booking giant arenas here,
and then I think we'll see it in all of
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women's sports, because if you're say a women's soccer league,
or if you're some other kind of women's professional sport,
you can now walk into a meeting with a broadcast
partner and say, don't tell me that men won't watch
a women's game.
Speaker 7 (10:55):
Don't tell me that, because look, here's the numbers. This
outrated the NBA.
Speaker 1 (10:58):
I know by all line.
Speaker 6 (11:00):
I mean, it wasn't close, right, So I think it's
going to uplift so many different boats.
Speaker 7 (11:04):
That rising tide is so huge right now.
Speaker 1 (11:06):
I also think I think the men's game tonight will
get a massive number. And there is something I always
feel this about the middle of the country. They feel ignored,
and sometimes it's true right. Like you watch the network
news and anything, it's all New York, La San Francisco stories,
and so I think it's always great when our dynasties
are the Packers or the Chiefs and Purdue, it's great.
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Absolutely wes Lafayette Engineering School here comes.
Speaker 7 (11:34):
Out people they're not going to win.
Speaker 1 (11:35):
I don't think so either. I don't think people understand
Zach Eati's great. Yukon is one of the biggest college
teams I've seen in a decade. I think Yukon wins,
pulls away, beats them up second half. What's the feeling
when you talk to people about this team.
Speaker 6 (11:51):
Every opponent that they've played, the coach on the other
side comes out and said, that's the best coach I've
ever seen. That's the best team I've ever coached against.
That you're listening to the experts, the guys who are
on the floor against them, and they say that is it.
It's them, And it's because they do so many different things. Yes,
they have great talent, but they do every other, single
little thing right. They play great team defense, they play
for each other.
Speaker 7 (12:11):
They are all so smart out on the court.
Speaker 6 (12:13):
They're making the right play every time, and that chemistry
and camaraderie is all there. There is just not a
piece of being a great team that they are missing,
and I feel bad. And if Perdue does a huge
upset tonight, I'm telling you in advance, I'm sorry.
Speaker 7 (12:25):
And you can play this clip of me doubting you,
but I'm doubting you. I think that you got is
going to win.
Speaker 1 (12:29):
I do too. For the record, I mean, I didn't
think Kentucky should fire Calipari, and I've got mixed feelings
about John and he can get mad at me. I
think sometimes I wish I understand the salesmanship of Nick Saban,
but he takes the hat off and coaches. If I
was Kentucky, I'd call Jay Wright and give him whatever
he wants. I think Jay's really happy by the way.
He does a great job as a broadcast. Yes, Jay
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Wright's outstanding. But this feels like Kentucky said John, we're
not gonna fire yet, but we need you to be
better in March, and he didn't like that, and so
he to a solid program. Are you shocked that he
would let's like leaving Duke.
Speaker 7 (13:06):
I agree.
Speaker 6 (13:06):
Look I saw the headline and I almost couldn't believe it.
Last night I was like, wait, what what.
Speaker 7 (13:10):
Is happening here?
Speaker 6 (13:11):
And by the way, didn't we settle this last week?
But the more I thought about it, the more it
made sense. That felt very much like a forced marriage situation.
When they gave that press conference with Calipari and the
ad saying that he would be staying at least another year,
you very much felt the weight of that thirty three
million dollars that they would still owe him if they
kicked him out the door. And I think that while
they were all saying the right things, the vibe between
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them was, Hey, we're stuck with each other.
Speaker 7 (13:34):
We don't really want to be here.
Speaker 6 (13:35):
And this may have been a little bit of a
case of Hey, I'm breaking up with you before you
can break up with me, and a little bit of
a case of you're being offered this green pastor on
the other side of No. Arkansas does not have the
history Kentucky has. They haven't won a title in thirty years. Yeah,
so you are being offered a fan base that will
be grateful to get to the second round all of
a sudden. And by the way, I know they were
in the Elite eight twice recently, but still you have
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the ability to start something new there that hasn't been
done in deck Gaids. And they also have a lot
of money. And don't underestimate the fact that the Tyson
Chicken air is there and is funding things. You've got
Walmart money there. They are going to be able to
shower and I owe money. They're going to be able
to pay for the very best staff, the very best
of everything else. And I think John sees an opportunity
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to sort of have a little bit of a fresh
start with a fan base that wants him as opposed
to a fan base that feels stuck with him in
a school that feels stuck with him.
Speaker 7 (14:25):
I'm interested to see what he can do there.
Speaker 1 (14:27):
So the Browny James story, you know, and I not
that I got on my high horse, but I'm like,
you know, when people say, well, he's only getting drafted
for Lebron and my takeaway as sort of the way
you got into law school, Dad was there, Like that's
the world if I when I started a business three
years ago, I went to people I knew, yes and
I trusted. I called one NBA scout last week and
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he said, yeah, I can see a team smart kid.
He'd be a nice player on a smart like a Spurs.
You get a good coach, good staff, he plays the
right He is getting better and his SHOT's gotten a
lot better.
Speaker 2 (15:03):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (15:03):
And by the way, the Lakers fifty five pick. What
they need is young guys are can shoot. It's like
what they're one. They don't need size. So your takeaway
on potentially Lebron and the Lakers, I could see. I mean,
you wouldn't want somebody to draft him around where you
drafted and not take him. My take is if the
Lakers think he's going to get drafted somewhere, they would
draft him.
Speaker 6 (15:23):
Look if Lebron comes to the Lakers and said, I
would like you to draft my son, my opinion is
that they will draft his son. I think the Genie
bus has shown she wants to keep the stars.
Speaker 7 (15:31):
Happy, and I don't think it's a huge risk for them.
Speaker 6 (15:34):
I like to say in the NBA that second round
picks they're like singles at a strip club, like people
do trade them around quite often, and there is no
doubt that people have taken chances on second round late
second round picks that are way more of a wild
card than Bronnie James. Here's a guy who know he
has not put up the numbers in college and he
had the hard thing and all the other stuff.
Speaker 7 (15:51):
But he is an NBA body. He is an NBAIQ.
Speaker 6 (15:54):
He has been having conversations for the last eighteen years
with one of the smartest guys in the game, and
he is able to be an on defender. He's someone
who could develop with a two way contract or develop
into a rotation player. And the idea that if you
took him, you'd be giving up so much and I
can't believe you would do that. Come on, and they're
not talking about taking him in a top three.
Speaker 2 (16:13):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (16:13):
I mean outside of jokicch and Draymond Green, maybe Tony Parker,
you can name most of the great second round players
because there's not a lot of them. What you're looking
for is people that fit and are rotational. And if
it energizes the best player in the game in my city,
I'm good with it.
Speaker 7 (16:28):
Yeah, absolutely, And how special would that be?
Speaker 6 (16:31):
By the way, I don't have any problem with them
if that is what they decide they want to play together.
And by the way, Bronnie James could decide and he
could turn around to his dad and be.
Speaker 7 (16:37):
Like, Dad, can't okay, I just want to make it
on my own. I don't want to play with you.
I don't know what's happening in the James household. I'm
not there.
Speaker 6 (16:44):
But if they want to do it, I mean, you
remember when Bobby and Brett Hole played together.
Speaker 7 (16:48):
It's special.
Speaker 6 (16:48):
It's cool to see it transcends sports, and why shouldn't
we rebooting for a fun story like that?
Speaker 1 (16:53):
So I will say this about Doc Rivers. So I
like Doc. You know Doc, you know his rotations. I
try not to crush Darvin Ham or Doc Rivers on
rotations because I'm not at practice and there are times
that you reward guys for effort and you put them
in a rotation, and you know, I hear people getting
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upset at Darvin Ham all the time. I'm like, he
sees something, he sees effort. I'm gonna reward effort at
practice in games. Are you shocked that I thought it
would be better because Doc's good with old players. It's
kind of in a clunker.
Speaker 6 (17:27):
It has been surprising, especially since when you talk to
players on that team in the week or two after
Doc got there, they were praising the fact that he
had them communicating with each other better, that each player
knew what their role was more, their team defense was better.
So a lot of the building blocks that would make
them a good playoff team Doc was putting in there.
But you have not seen them playing with the kind
of joy that we've seen some of the most successful
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Bucks teams and Giannis cracking the dad jokes and guys
you know, beating their chest and Bobby Porter's running around,
And I think that is what's missing. They know that
by the way, Doc Rivers talked about that. He said
the team is heavy the other day, right, that is
what that is about. Yan has talked about it in
the postgame press conference last night. So they recently had,
according to the Athletic, a big come to Jesus film
session where the top players sat and they spoke their
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mind and they said what they thought and they tried
to move forward.
Speaker 7 (18:13):
I personally, I take them all out drinking for a night.
Speaker 6 (18:15):
I mean, this team needs to just go have some
fun together and bond, go bowling, do something like that.
Speaker 7 (18:20):
But they need to lighten up.
Speaker 6 (18:21):
And if they are given the chance to do that,
and going into this postseason, I still think they could
be dangerous, but they're not.
Speaker 7 (18:26):
There right now, and it's an upset potential in the
first round.
Speaker 1 (18:29):
There's a legendary story about the great John Wooden, who's
a very religious man and mad a great conviction, and
he had a UCLA team and they were He watched
practice for two or three weeks and they had a
big game coming up, and John's practices were down to
the second and John watched his team play and he
thought they were tight. And so for the only time
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in his career, he told his assistants, we're going to
goof around, We're going to dunk at practice. We're going
to be He goes, the team's way too tight. Yeah,
and they went. I think they beat Indiana. But I
think there's value in that is teams that like each
other off the floor played better on.
Speaker 7 (19:07):
The floor one hundred percent.
Speaker 1 (19:09):
By the way, Lebron embraced ad yes, very quickly, and
it's like it's been part of it right absolutely.
Speaker 6 (19:16):
And look, we've talked about Damian Lillard, and Damian Lillardho's
openly talked about he's had a hard time there this
year personally, his personal life.
Speaker 7 (19:22):
He misses his kids. His kids are still back in Portland.
Speaker 6 (19:24):
He is someone who really feeds off his family, just
like Yannis does, and I think not having that has
been hard for him. So there's been this set sort
of dour, kind of serious, heavy mood around this team,
and they are in a danger spot with the Sixers
being in the position right now to play them in
the first round.
Speaker 5 (19:39):
Yeah.
Speaker 7 (19:39):
No, if things continue.
Speaker 6 (19:41):
The way they are, you have to look at the
Sixers having huge upset potential in that series. We just
have to see if they make it into the playoff
that same way, and maybe they play Landa in the
first round and they have the chance to get their
legs down under them the Bucks do, and then we'll
see that's a different story.
Speaker 1 (19:54):
So so great having you here.
Speaker 4 (19:56):
Thank you.
Speaker 1 (19:58):
I'm not even gonna talk about the eclipse because nobody's
watching after this. It starts in forty minutes. Then you
can leave. But right now it's Rachel Nicholson.
Speaker 7 (20:04):
It's cloudy in a lot of the country today.
Speaker 2 (20:06):
Really cloudy.
Speaker 1 (20:07):
I mean you couldn't see your hand cloudy.
Speaker 6 (20:09):
Are you gonna do like a fake eclipse on the show?
Just one of the spotlights put like a hand you know.
Speaker 1 (20:14):
Should have been in our creative meeting this morning. Rachel,
she knows one more.
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Speaker 1 (20:27):
Like mc cronin, UCLA basketball coach talking for due and
you con tonight. But first it's j Maack with the news.
Speaker 2 (20:35):
Turn on the news.
Speaker 3 (20:37):
This is the Herd line news that killed Kentucky thing. Yeah, Calipari,
I'll just I'll say it's not officially done.
Speaker 4 (20:45):
It should be done.
Speaker 3 (20:46):
But one of the lists I saw of coaches names
is like, oh, they should call mc cronin. So if
all of a sudden he cancels on us, that could
be a.
Speaker 4 (20:54):
Tell he's got something cooking. It could be he's a
really good coach, obviously.
Speaker 1 (20:58):
Could be the solar eclipse. I mean, you don't know why, Well,
what's that.
Speaker 4 (21:01):
I'm not familiar with what you're talking about. Okay, let's
start with the Minnesota Vikings.
Speaker 3 (21:05):
They're apparently rumored to move up from the eleventh pick
in the draft. According to former Viking GM Rick Spielman,
Minnesota will gladly overpay to get a chance to select
JJ McCarthy.
Speaker 9 (21:17):
They're not going to get it for just the first
two round picks. They're going to have to throw in
their first round pick in twenty and twenty five plus
some more draft capital to do what they have to
do to go up and get it. So if they
go get him, I don't think he's the fourth overall
best quarterback in this draft or best or I shouldn't
say best quarterbacks best player in this draft, but if
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you have to have one, then you're going to overpay
to get one. I think he's going to be a
good pro, but I think they're going to overpay if
they have to go up and get him.
Speaker 1 (21:48):
I completely agree.
Speaker 3 (21:49):
Oh come on, there's a reason a former GM is
saying that. Come on, you think you're okay overpaying to
go get JJ McCarthy.
Speaker 1 (21:57):
Well, I don't ever want to over over draft a player,
but I do think there is one position in the
sport sometimes too. I think I would, you know, I
would overdraft a left tackle if I know he's gonna
start for me and be B to B plus. Like
Joe Alt is good, he's not nobody thinks he's Jonathan Ogden.
(22:18):
He's a guy that could go in make a couple
of Pro Bowls. I've talked to two GMS on Joe Alt.
They like him. They don't think he's going to be
one of the great left tackles in league history. He'll
make a couple of Pro Bowls. He's a good left tackle.
If you need a left tackle and and you know
you you see him as your thirteenth best player, and
(22:39):
you draft seven, then go draft Joe All. That's a
prime example.
Speaker 4 (22:42):
Don't you feel like this is just posturing Colin? People
just filling the.
Speaker 3 (22:46):
Void leading up to the draft JJ McCarthy trading up
to get him at like four, Colin? That sound Just
just listen to what you're saying, trading up for JJ McCarthy.
Speaker 2 (22:59):
Well, I wouldn't Yeah, okay, right right, you wouldn't do it.
Speaker 4 (23:01):
I wouldn't do it. I don't think the Vikings would
do it. Now we know someone close to the Vikings,
and hopefully we'll hear some more stuff I get closer.
Speaker 1 (23:08):
I think the Giants would draft a quarterback. They won't
move up. So the question being if the Vikings are patient,
Remember that the Chargers were patient and got Herbert he
fell to them. They were patient and got Rashawn Slater.
They were patient and got Derwin James. Just sit and wait.
You got Sam Darnald. You're gonna win games with Sam Darnold.
(23:29):
Just be paid. I don't think you have to jump
up to New England at three. If somebody wants to
do that, it'll probably be for Drake may or Jayden Daniels.
I don't think that what I'm hearing. In the NFL,
the people I trust do not have JJ McCarthy in
the top three quarterbacks in terms of talent. They have
him at best the fourth.
Speaker 4 (23:49):
I like him a lot. I'm not giving up future first.
Speaker 3 (23:52):
To go up three spots to get the fourth best quarterback.
Speaker 4 (23:55):
I did not do it that all right? Next up,
with three games left, the Lakers. How about this. They
are a half game behind the Kings for the eighth seed.
Speaker 3 (24:02):
After the Lakers loss last night, and during that loss
to the Timberwolves, Ad took a shot to the eye,
did not return. I know this has been your big thing.
He's been healthy all season. Now he's got a shot
to the eye. There's optimism he should be back Tuesday
night for a seismic game against the Warriors. By the way,
Lebron sat out last night, saving it for this big
(24:22):
Warriors game on Tuesday.
Speaker 1 (24:24):
This is one of the more interesting NBA games in
a month. Warriors Lakers so rise against shooting.
Speaker 4 (24:34):
We got lucky.
Speaker 3 (24:34):
We got Caitlin Clark's Sunday, we got the Final Four
on Saturday, we get the Natty tonight, and we got
Lakers Warriors on Tuesdays a chance.
Speaker 1 (24:45):
This is a really we haven't had any controversy, but
it is interesting. We keep hearing out television is dying.
I got news for you. You keep putting on these
big stories. The draft will get huge numbers. Kaylan Clark
Tonight's game.
Speaker 4 (25:02):
Un He's gonna doubting you on that.
Speaker 1 (25:05):
Oh, it's gonna get a massive number this.
Speaker 4 (25:07):
Week on team.
Speaker 3 (25:08):
People don't understand, like if you haven't won, they are
UNLV level dominant.
Speaker 4 (25:11):
They are all UNLV from the nineties.
Speaker 1 (25:13):
New York, Philadelphia, the Northeast. That's the biggest program in
the Northeast. You're gonna get the Northeast to watch. Purdue's
gonna give you the Midwest and then the West Coast.
Lakers Warriors says tomorrow like, like Monday night's not a
big NBA night. So I think a lot of casuals
on the West coast will watch. The Midwest is gonna
watch in droves, and the Northeast when you can get Philly,
(25:34):
New York.
Speaker 4 (25:35):
Ten hasn't been in the title game in more almost
twenty years.
Speaker 1 (25:38):
Michigan or Michigan State.
Speaker 3 (25:40):
I think was sparty back in the day. Listen, it's
a good week for basketball. Obviously we're rooting for the Lakers.
We don't want to see Lakers versus the Kings in
the plan. I know Lakers fans can scoff. I'm just
telling you this is not a good matchup for the Lakers.
Speaker 2 (25:52):
Final story.
Speaker 3 (25:53):
Colin UFL on sidekick alternatives showed up big yesterday in
the Brahmas nineteen fourteen went over the showboats. So in
the UFL you could choose to bypass a kickoff or
on sidekick and take the ball at your own twenty
eight for a fourth and twelve scenario.
Speaker 4 (26:11):
This is kind of cool idea. I was not really
aware of this, but it's kind of awesome.
Speaker 3 (26:15):
So san Antonio did that, converted it and marched down
the field for the game winning score.
Speaker 4 (26:21):
Listen, I don't know.
Speaker 3 (26:21):
If the NFL would add this kind of fourth and
twelve scenario. But the idea that you could have you
be down two touchdowns late and all of a sudden
you score and then you got a chance because of
this fourth and twelve kind of cool.
Speaker 1 (26:33):
The answer in the NFL is usually will it make
the television product better? And if the answer is yes,
they will consider it. Baseball still hasn't figured out. It's Broadway, baby,
It's a TV product. Stop worried about in house. It's
a TV product. There's ten times more people, one hundred
times more people watching on TV than in a stadium.
(26:54):
So with the NFL, the paight now it's better television.
The cat srole got cleaned up. Better television. This on
side stuff is going to be better television. And that's
all the NFL. If they can keep you in front
of a TV instead of going to the fridge and
getting a you know, Coors light, that's what they're gonna
do to your cores.
Speaker 4 (27:12):
Dog silver kind of guy.
Speaker 1 (27:12):
Huya.
Speaker 4 (27:13):
I was like, nice, are they a sponsor?
Speaker 1 (27:14):
Now? I'm not.
Speaker 3 (27:15):
No.
Speaker 4 (27:16):
I could use a course like KEG for the natty
tonight of my house. Eh, great you coming by?
Speaker 1 (27:20):
Nope? Not what at home? Can't wait? U?
Speaker 2 (27:24):
Is that it.
Speaker 1 (27:25):
Yeah, J Mack with the news.
Speaker 2 (27:27):
Well that's the news, and thanks for stopping by the
herd Line News.
Speaker 1 (27:32):
It really, it really was interesting, the whole uh uh,
the Caitlin Clark story. It was. It was funny because
I talked to an executive at this network about a
week ago and I said, well, the game's on cable,
it's not on television, and cable, uh you know, is
not broadcast TV. So I said, oh, the game will
get like seven and a half billion, and it got
like twelve. And I was like, I've been wrong before.
(27:53):
I'm usually not doubly wrong. Is the Caitlin Clark thing.
You can't explain a phenomenon, It just it is, and
everybody watches it. I think. I think one of the
things is we're so distracted with our iPhones that it's
very difficult to get something that everybody's like, I'm interested
in that, and uh, you know, we got one today,
(28:17):
we had one yesterday. It just doesn't happen a lot,
but when it does, don't find it like it's here
and it's not necessarily always explainable. And Caitlin Clark was like, yeah,
she's a good player, and they're not the best team
and it it just worked. It's just it's just this ascending, relatable,
(28:38):
very talented and it's also it matters that it's it's
it's a story that I can play along with. It's
easy to follow, and it's been two to three years
in the making. College men's basketball has no chemistry or continuity.
It's a turnstile. It's bad for business. I know, you know,
media always loves to empower the player. Can be bad
for business. It's bad if you're paying an average quarterback
(28:59):
the best that's bad for business. Business is why the
NFL is king. You rarely get trapped with a bad
contract in baseball. In the NBA, you get trapped constantly
with a bad contract, and it crushes the momentum your franchise.
This was an easy story. It was like a remake
in Hollywood. It was easy to follow along.
Speaker 3 (29:17):
So did you see that a lot of people were
outraged that, like CNN and other outlets are like South
Carolina beats Caitlin Clark in the championship, and then of
course the whole story, the image is all Caitlin Clark,
and people give South Carolina their credit and Colin you
know you and I have been in this business.
Speaker 4 (29:32):
We know the media is a business.
Speaker 3 (29:35):
They know that people care about Caitlin Clark, like South
Carolina great stories.
Speaker 1 (29:38):
Ago, are you.
Speaker 3 (29:40):
Clicking at Caitlin clark story? Are you turning on your
TV for Clayton Clark? Are you downloading podcasts for her?
She is business right now? And South Carolina they're a story,
but they're not business.
Speaker 1 (29:49):
Yeah. Never forget. College football ratings exploded this year. Why
because Michigan felt bigger than Georgia. Michigan's right in the
middle of the country. Jim Harball is a rock star.
There was Jim Harbaugh being suspended. Michigan football this year
felt big as the NFL. We were talking Michigan football
(30:09):
every Monday. We were talking it virtually every day on
the week. We don't do that with college football. So
you'd be idiotic if you were Fox and have a
big ten contract not to put Michigan on every week.
I'm sorry, but when the Detroit Pistons beat that Shaq
and Kobe Laker team that fell apart, I can remember
(30:30):
being on the air at the other network and saying,
the story, isn't the Pistons winning? And it wasn't. The
next day, the story was, Oh, the Lakers, Shaq and
Kobe and Phil they all hate each other. That was
the story. Don't confuse we won with we're more interesting.
When America beat Russia, Russia was the much better team.
(30:51):
The better story was Mike Eruzione and the underdog American
team in Lake Placid winning internationally. It was a wild,
shocking up said American team less talented was a much
greater story winning than Russia beating our guys by nine goals,
which I think they did in Madison Square Garden a
couple of months earlier. Don't confuse the winner with the
(31:12):
more interesting story.
Speaker 3 (31:13):
How about Deon Sanders in the Colorado Buffaloes. I mean,
Deonza fascinating. People can't tear themselves away from the television.
They were okay at the beginning, won a couple games.
Even though they petered out, they were still drawing huge numbers.
And people just have to understand, like, that's how it works.
Like if the masses want to watch Deon or Kitlyn
Clark or Steph Curry, they're gonna.
Speaker 4 (31:32):
Do that, and you're gonna have to read about that.
That's just how it is.
Speaker 1 (31:34):
I'm not in the credit business. Visa is master Cards
in the credit business. I'm not in that business. I'm
in the honesty business. I'm in the interesting business. Caitlin
Clark's fascinating Alabama was the best college football program over
the last ten to twelve years. They weren't that interesting
because it everybody got fatigued. I said this during Brady's run,
(31:56):
if you'd have taken Brady out married to a supermodel,
Tom Brady, New England was sort of about efficiency. They
weren't fascinating. The Chiefs, Mahomes, Andy Reid, the stylistic nature
of their offense. That's an interesting one. If you watch
Green Bay play now with Jordan Love, they're fun to watch.
They're fast, they're multiple, they're all these young players. That
(32:18):
is a fun team to watch. I don't think they're
the best team in the league. So I think Lamar
Jackson to me, the way he plays, it's a different style.
I always think Baltimore, even though they're a run team,
is kind of fascinating to watch. Tennessee with Derreck Henry
is not that interesting to watch. So teams are Buffalo
in my entire life, Buffalo has been a Greek tragedy.
(32:40):
But I mean, Jim Kelly, Josh Allen, they can't win
the big one. The Chicago Cubs winning the World Series
are not one of the ten best teams in my lifetime.
The ratings were stupendous, the story of the Cubs. I
was absolutely rooting for them to win that World Series.
It was great for America, great for the Midwest, great
for the Cubs, great for baseball. The Cowboy up Red.
Speaker 4 (33:00):
Sox, Dallas Cowboy. Oh yeah, yeah yeah, the.
Speaker 1 (33:03):
Cowboy up Red Sox the Yankees at one and off.
Speaker 2 (33:05):
I wanted the Red Sox to win.
Speaker 3 (33:07):
I was gonna say, Caitlin Clark has like a Dallas
Cowboys feel to women's college basketball. Well, people are kind
of into it. And then okaylo Qux, we got to
turn them on. Dallas Cowboys play on Sunday. People turned
them on. That's how Amercle was.
Speaker 1 (33:17):
It's very rare when you get the greatest player and
their underdogs. Generally the greatest player is a favorite. So
I think that's part of Michael Jordan's appeal is that
Michael for years was the greatest player, but he couldn't
get past the Pistons who bullied and tackled him or
the Celtics, so you all felt like, oh, I love
(33:39):
this basketball player named Michael Jordan. I love watching him play,
and he just kept losing close and losing and losing.
So when he broke through, you felt like you were
part of this journey. And I didn't care who won yesterday,
and I thought South Carolina, I mean South Carolina had
a thirty ze bench scoring advantage, like the way better team,
way deeper.
Speaker 4 (33:58):
To all their benro freshman five star recruits.
Speaker 1 (34:01):
Ya.
Speaker 4 (34:01):
I always got like, you know, like no star recruits
on their bench.
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Speaker 1 (35:33):
I have wondered forever serious question why people don't run
spring games. I've won, like I'm not talking a lot
of them, but like you couldn't run like Steve Sarkasian
their spring game, Ohio State, Notre Dame spring game, LSU
spring game. I've never understood why people don't do that not.
I've also always wondered why we don't put surfing on
(35:55):
a network. I just like watching it. When you live
in California, pier have a couple of I can sit
and watch. I'm mesmerized by surfers. Probably not a great
television product, but you know they you know, they put
the Beach Volleyball for years and years. Remember when NBC
lost like NFL or Baseball and they put the Pro
you know, Volleyball League on TV. It held up for
(36:16):
a couple of years a VP. Yeah, yeah, you remember that.
Speaker 4 (36:18):
Awesome.
Speaker 9 (36:19):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (36:20):
So there's this story. I love to watch the outrage
on the internet. It just cracks me up. And now
we're going into an election cycle. It's already here. So
it's April November. You know, in the next two months
it's gonna get so toxic on all your devices. Stay away,
you're not going to learn anything. It's tribal everybody's got
their you know, candidate. But I love watching when people
(36:43):
get outraged over stuff they would never really care about,
but they just want to manufacture clicks and interest. So
Lebron James Son people he's entered the NBA draft potentially
and the portal and somebody, may you know, pay him
some money to play for him. He is good enough,
I think to be drafted mid to late second round.
(37:04):
You know, fifty fifth, sixtieth pick. Smart kid plays the
right way, getting better. His jumper's gotten better. Lakers just
don't have young shooters. They actually need some, so you know, well,
he averages so many points a game. He also had
a medical issue where it completely shut down his growth
(37:26):
and his game. They were worried about, you know, living
and stuff like that. So it's like, it's fine, he's
better than five points a game, but people all getting
outraged by it. And I'm like, folks, name the business
in the country where connections don't matter.
Speaker 2 (37:40):
Name one.
Speaker 1 (37:42):
If Lebron's going to sign a max one hundred and
eighty million dollar extension and Brony makes a million to
be the fifty fifth pick, oh, you're paying one hundred
eighty one million for Lebron. I just don't think it's
that big of a deal. It doesn't I mean, is
he being a bit overdrafted. They're talking about JJ McCarthy,
you know, people giving away multiple first round picks for
(38:02):
JJ McCarthy. That kind of overdrafting could be catastrophic if
he doesn't hit. If you're drafting somebody fifty fifth that
should be drafted sixty second or not at all, I
just don't I can remember Bill Belichick's drafted kickers. Bill
Belichick a couple of years ago, the Goat coach drafted
three interior offensive linemen and a kicker. So it's just drafting.
(38:27):
There was one time I think he drafted a guy
from Ohio State that was known as a tough guy
of rugby player who'd be good on special teams. People
draft different people all the time. Here was Rachel Nichols
on Brawny entering the NBA draft.
Speaker 6 (38:40):
If Lebron comes to the Lakers and said, I would
like you to draft my son, my opinion is that
they will draft his son. I think the Genie Buss
has shown she wants to keep the stars happy, and
I don't think it's a huge risk for them. Here's
a guy who know he has not put up the
numbers in college, and he had the hard thing and
all the other stuff, but he is an NBA body.
He is an NBAIQ. He has been having conversations for
the last eighteen years. One of the smartest guys in
(39:01):
the game, and he is able to be an on
ball defender. He's someone who could develop with a two
way contractor develop into a rotation player. And the idea
that if you took him, you'd be giving up so
much and I can't believe you would do that. Come on,
and they're not talking about taking him in a top
three Yeah.
Speaker 1 (39:16):
I mean, I don't follow the history of the fifty
fifth draft choice in the NBA. I bet if you
went back ten years, you're not giving up much. That
would be my guess, my hunch. You know, I love
the NFL Draft. I mean I'll literally watch NFL Draft
all weekend, Thursday, Friday, Saturday, Sunday. I love it. NBA Draft,
(39:36):
you know, I watch until about fifteenth pick and then
you sort of you know, it becomes either international or
college guys that are going to be at most rotational players.
What was your take when you heard Bronni entering the
NBA draft.
Speaker 3 (39:47):
Not a soccer second round pick. I I like Bronnie
a lot.
Speaker 4 (39:52):
I think he's going to be a solid rotation player
in like five years. But you can't take him in
the first te You just can't do it right. Here's
where it gets interesting. I don't know, you haven't looked
at the NBA draft. Will there be a US college
player draft in the top five? No, it's tough. I
don't know.
Speaker 3 (40:09):
Now the kid on Yukon tonight Castle, yes, could be,
and the big kid clinging could be.
Speaker 1 (40:14):
But I don't think that it doesn't. You know, it's interesting.
In college basketball, size is huge because there's not a
lot of them. Yeah, I mean, Purdue's got one big guy,
So like having a seven to four center in college
is like changes the entire sport. In the NBA, there's
so much size that people go the other way. Let's
(40:35):
get small ball, let's get quicker. But in college, if
you have a dominant seven footer, it is such a
massive advantage. I mean, Gonzaga doesn't get blown out by anybody.
They got blown out twice by Zach Edy and Purdue.
It's like, we don't have an answer for it.
Speaker 4 (40:49):
It's weird. Somebody hit me with a hot take. Could
Zach Edy? Are you ready for this? Turn into like
brook Lopez in the NBA?
Speaker 1 (40:55):
Why not?
Speaker 3 (40:56):
Brook Lopez, by the way, took I think three or
six three pointers in his whole college career. Now that's
all he does, three and protect the rim. Why couldn't
Zach Edy do that?
Speaker 1 (41:05):
He's improved from last year to this year at Purdue
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You're listening to Fox Sports Radio. Here we go.
Speaker 1 (00:27):
It's our two. It is a Monday. We're live in
Los Angeles. It's the Hurt. Wherever you may be and
however you may be listening. Thanks for making us part
of your day. Mick cronin Last Hour, UCLA basketball coach
talking Purdue in Yukon. I like Yukon tonight. I think
it's in the six seven point range Yukon. I bet
(00:47):
Yukon every game in the tournament. I've been betting Yukon
for two years. I think they are historically relevant and
much bigger outside of Zach Edy than Purdue. I think
they match up very well with Purdue. Purdue as the
tallest player the rest, the size for Yukon is a
huge advantage and I think it's a close game. In
the first half, Yukon pulls away dominates the glass, Zach
(01:09):
Edy will get his against everybody. It's been funny because
a year ago I watched Zaki Edie a couple times
at Purdue, and I'm like, yeah, that's not an NBA player.
The one thing I like about him is that dude
has worked. Zach Edy's a much improved player.
Speaker 3 (01:22):
Yeah, he's gonna have some troubles with Klinging tonight.
Speaker 4 (01:25):
The big kid does seven to two from you. Yukon
so stacked. It's tough not to like Yukontin.
Speaker 3 (01:30):
I know, I got some perdue buddies who one of
them flew out to the Final four and is living
his best life out there.
Speaker 4 (01:35):
But I kind of like Yukon Conn.
Speaker 1 (01:38):
Yeah, I do too. All right, Time for Colin right,
Colin wrong?
Speaker 2 (01:41):
Here we go where Colin was right?
Speaker 1 (01:43):
I said, John Calipari always gets defensive and uncomfortable when
you question his vision on one and done. And so
he just bailed on a great program Kentucky to go
to Arkansas because he was uncomfortable with Kentucky, saying John,
we need a little more in March. It's not a
move I would have made. He's gonna make a bunch
(02:04):
of money, But I think people finally ask the question. Yeah,
it's recruiting, it's great, but you gotta deliver in March.
If you're the head coach of Kentucky, nobody cares how
rich the players get in the NBA. They want to
be enriched at Kentucky. And that's what he didn't do
the last four or five years.
Speaker 2 (02:24):
Where Colin was raw.
Speaker 1 (02:26):
I will say this for Luca and Kyrie, it's not
just about winning. The MAVs now are a top five
defensive rated team, and Kyrie has been a good teammate,
and I just didn't see it. I'd watched his career.
I saw how Boston worked, I saw how Brooklyn worked.
All I know right now Luca and Kyrie have the
highest net rating in the league. The only one better
(02:48):
is Jokich and several teammates. So this is a big
surprise for me. They're better defensively, They're a lot of
fun to watch. They're offensively brilliant, a little bit like Phoenix,
but a better version where the offense is scintilating. But
you just don't know how it plays in later April,
May and June. But I was wrong where Colin was right. Listen,
I've been saying this forever purists, you can't lean on them.
(03:12):
Go big in sports talk Dallas Cowboys talk the big brands.
Women's college basketball, Iowa on a Friday night, and that's
a terrible TV night. Beat every college football game except
Michigan Ohio State. Lean into Stars is the key to television.
Stop with the purity. Stop. Caitlin Clark's the star, Tiger's
(03:36):
a star, the Cowboys are stars. You can't talk enough
about Caitlin Clark and Iowa and stars. It's how in
a fragmented world people are busy and distracted. Caitlyn Clark
galvanized the country.
Speaker 2 (03:52):
Where Colin was right.
Speaker 1 (03:54):
Well, I said, I watched Yukon play three times in
the regular season, and I said, I don't live for
college basketball. I'm a casual. But that is easily the
best team in college basketball. They are winning at the
tournament by twenty five a game, and these are the
best teams, and I think they'll win by about eight
or nine tonight. Dan Hurley on what he has built
(04:16):
with the Huskies.
Speaker 5 (04:18):
Our identity is to be pretty relentless, and you know
we might not break you for you know, eighteen minutes,
twenty five minutes, you know, but at some point, if
what we're doing at both ends and on the backboard
is at a high level, it just becomes hard for
the other team to sustain it.
Speaker 1 (04:36):
Yep, And that's why I think they beat Perdue. A
very good and worthy Purdue team. Tonight, we'll say about
the seventy eight seventy fields about.
Speaker 2 (04:45):
Right where Colin was row Doc Rivers.
Speaker 1 (04:48):
The Bucks are still a number two seed, but he's
fifteen and seventeen as a head coach. I thought it
would take a while, but it would be better than
this because Doc rivers history is he's good with older teams.
He was good when he got KG and Ray Allen,
and he's always been good with veteran players. Some coaches
are Frank Vogel's good with Biggs, Mike D'Antoni good with pacing.
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It has not worked. I know that he deflects criticism.
I know his rotations get a lot of criticism. But
I did think, oh, this will work, this will fit,
and it really this is a strained team that just
doesn't look.
Speaker 2 (05:22):
Right where Colin was right.
Speaker 1 (05:24):
I said this before the season, enduring it. Jalen Brunson's
the biggest basketball star and the best basketball star in
New York since Patrick Ewing. I saw him play live Friday.
He's better. He's better than I thought. I love everything
about him. I love that he went to Villanova. I
love how tough he is. I love his resilience. He's
getting better. He scored forty three. The Knicks should not
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be beating Milwaukee. They should not be He's just a
tremendous player, and being a star is more than just
about getting yours. People want to play with him when
he's on the floor. He jumps off a TV. He
jumps when you're there. He is this force of nature.
I know a lot of small guys don't lead teams
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to titles, but I don't think he has to win
a title in New York to validate his greatness. Good
for Jalen Brunson where Colin was right. Stefan Diggs. We
said it a year ago that Josh Allen was tired
of the drama. I'm a big fan of Stefan Diggs.
I would take him. I think the Texans got a
good player, but they wiped out the final three years
in his contract to make him a free agent after
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the season, and I think it's a smart move. Listen
in my life. For whatever reasons, I don't know why,
but wide receivers break the huddle first. It's more of
an individual position, and you know, sometimes they bring some drama.
I can think two things at once. I like the player.
I like the player a lot. I'm glad he's going
to the Texans. I think he'll make a difference. But
we called this for the last six months to a year.
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It just felt like it was increasingly strained in Buffalo.
Speaker 2 (06:54):
Where Colin was right.
Speaker 1 (06:55):
You know, defensive football coaches drive me nuts. The Patriots
signed a deal for a sake, Kyle Duggar, who's a
good player, for almost sixty million bucks. Defensive coaches stop
paying linebackers and safeties of fortune. Pay wide receivers, tackles,
quarterbacks and occasional running back. This is my issue with
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the Patriots. They hired somebody who has the same vision,
albeit a younger person, of Bill Belichick. The teams right
now that are growing and getting the most out of
draft picks, in my opinion, are offensive coaches. Safeties are fine.
They're fine, like a good safety. I'm not paying sixty
million for one. Where Colin was right, where Colin was wrong.
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Let's bring in our friend, Rachel Nichols, Fox Sports, NBA
analyst and reporters now joining us today. We've got so
many things to talk about, so many things to talk about,
I said, Rachel, I said earlier, a lot of great
athletes ride a wave. Caitlin was the wave.
Speaker 5 (07:54):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (07:54):
Absolutely, And there's a magic dust a quality. I always
thought Tiger had it, Michael obviously had it. I think
Wayne Gretzky had it. In your opinion, what is it?
It's a combination of what.
Speaker 6 (08:06):
Look, it's so many things right. First of all, she's
the right player at the right time. They've been building
to this. There are stars in women's basketball, women's sports
in general that have been building to this moment.
Speaker 7 (08:15):
So that's part of it. Part of it is the
way she hits those threes from the logo.
Speaker 6 (08:19):
It captured our attention with Steph Curry, captures our attention
with Damian Lillard, and boy, it captures our attention with
Caitlin Clark, and then her ability to play under all
of that pressure. All of that attention is part of
it too.
Speaker 7 (08:30):
That's its own skill.
Speaker 6 (08:32):
We've seen players who have had that much attention focused
on them and they've crumbled. And the fact that she
has been able to be such a standard bearer for
the women's game at the same time as being a
flat out dog scorer for her team is so exceptional,
and I think game just recognizes this game. That's why
all the NBA players are standing for her, because they
see what she can do out there.
Speaker 1 (08:51):
Now, she'll obviously help the WNBA. College basketball has a
different feel, but I do feel she'll have some impact, right.
Speaker 7 (08:58):
Oh, absolutely, everyone's waiting to see him.
Speaker 6 (09:00):
By the way, she hasn't even drafted yet, right, technically,
we know she's bound for the Indiana Fever, but we
don't know for fare.
Speaker 7 (09:08):
It hasn't happened yet.
Speaker 6 (09:09):
And yet the Las Vegas Aces, because they're such a
super team and there's so much interest in them, have
already pre booked a twenty thousand seat arena for next
year for this summer's upcoming Fever Aces game.
Speaker 2 (09:21):
She's still playing.
Speaker 6 (09:22):
When they booked that arena, she was still at Iowa.
They were like, Yep, this is what's gonna happen. So
that's coming to the NBA WNBA along with her, And
I just think you're getting a whole crop of women
in this class who are going to uplift that league.
Speaker 8 (09:33):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (09:34):
I mean Cheryl Miller in eighty three similarly got twelve
million the league. College women's basketball didn't sustain the number.
Now the product's much better. Yeah, generations of encouraging young
women to be athletes, the sport's better. I mean I
watched I'm sitting there watching Yukon Iowa and I'm watching
Iowa South Carolina and I'm like, oh, this is just
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good product. Yeah, like this is right. So is there
a sense that listen, not every movie is to be
the Avengers, But is there a sense that this momentum
will be to some degree sustained. Oh.
Speaker 6 (10:05):
I think it'll be sustained on many fronts. I think
we're going to see women's college basketball continue to get
good numbers because people came for Caitlin Clark in this tournament,
but they were introduced to Juju, they were introduced to
Paige Beckers, they were introduced to other players who will
still be their next season. And I think those rivalries
built in a world that does not want and done.
Speaker 7 (10:22):
Like on the men's side, people.
Speaker 6 (10:24):
Are interested, they wanted to see By the way, the
continued beef between LSU and Iowa this year after what
happened last year. They wanted to see the continued beef
between South Carolina and Iowa after what happened last year.
You can't get that in the men's game right now
because guys are out the door so quickly. I think
we'll see it carry over into the WNBA. As I said,
we're already seeing it with their pre booking giant arenas here,
and then I think we'll see it in all of
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women's sports, because if you're say a women's soccer league,
or if you're some other kind of women's professional sport,
you can now walk into a meeting with a broadcast
partner and say, don't tell me that men won't watch
a women's game.
Speaker 7 (10:55):
Don't tell me that, because look, here's the numbers. This
outrated the NBA.
Speaker 1 (10:58):
I know by all line.
Speaker 6 (11:00):
I mean, it wasn't close, right, So I think it's
going to uplift so many different boats.
Speaker 7 (11:04):
That rising tide is so huge right now.
Speaker 1 (11:06):
I also think I think the men's game tonight will
get a massive number. And there is something I always
feel this about the middle of the country. They feel ignored,
and sometimes it's true right. Like you watch the network
news and anything, it's all New York, La San Francisco stories,
and so I think it's always great when our dynasties
are the Packers or the Chiefs and Purdue, it's great.
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Absolutely wes Lafayette Engineering School here comes.
Speaker 7 (11:34):
Out people they're not going to win.
Speaker 1 (11:35):
I don't think so either. I don't think people understand
Zach Eati's great. Yukon is one of the biggest college
teams I've seen in a decade. I think Yukon wins,
pulls away, beats them up second half. What's the feeling
when you talk to people about this team.
Speaker 6 (11:51):
Every opponent that they've played, the coach on the other
side comes out and said, that's the best coach I've
ever seen. That's the best team I've ever coached against.
That you're listening to the experts, the guys who are
on the floor against them, and they say that is it.
It's them, And it's because they do so many different things. Yes,
they have great talent, but they do every other, single
little thing right. They play great team defense, they play
for each other.
Speaker 7 (12:11):
They are all so smart out on the court.
Speaker 6 (12:13):
They're making the right play every time, and that chemistry
and camaraderie is all there. There is just not a
piece of being a great team that they are missing,
and I feel bad. And if Perdue does a huge
upset tonight, I'm telling you in advance, I'm sorry.
Speaker 7 (12:25):
And you can play this clip of me doubting you,
but I'm doubting you. I think that you got is
going to win.
Speaker 1 (12:29):
I do too. For the record, I mean, I didn't
think Kentucky should fire Calipari, and I've got mixed feelings
about John and he can get mad at me. I
think sometimes I wish I understand the salesmanship of Nick Saban,
but he takes the hat off and coaches. If I
was Kentucky, I'd call Jay Wright and give him whatever
he wants. I think Jay's really happy by the way.
He does a great job as a broadcast. Yes, Jay
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Wright's outstanding. But this feels like Kentucky said John, we're
not gonna fire yet, but we need you to be
better in March, and he didn't like that, and so
he to a solid program. Are you shocked that he
would let's like leaving Duke.
Speaker 7 (13:06):
I agree.
Speaker 6 (13:06):
Look I saw the headline and I almost couldn't believe it.
Last night I was like, wait, what what.
Speaker 7 (13:10):
Is happening here?
Speaker 6 (13:11):
And by the way, didn't we settle this last week?
But the more I thought about it, the more it
made sense. That felt very much like a forced marriage situation.
When they gave that press conference with Calipari and the
ad saying that he would be staying at least another year,
you very much felt the weight of that thirty three
million dollars that they would still owe him if they
kicked him out the door. And I think that while
they were all saying the right things, the vibe between
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them was, Hey, we're stuck with each other.
Speaker 7 (13:34):
We don't really want to be here.
Speaker 6 (13:35):
And this may have been a little bit of a
case of Hey, I'm breaking up with you before you
can break up with me, and a little bit of
a case of you're being offered this green pastor on
the other side of No. Arkansas does not have the
history Kentucky has. They haven't won a title in thirty years. Yeah,
so you are being offered a fan base that will
be grateful to get to the second round all of
a sudden. And by the way, I know they were
in the Elite eight twice recently, but still you have
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the ability to start something new there that hasn't been
done in deck Gaids. And they also have a lot
of money. And don't underestimate the fact that the Tyson
Chicken air is there and is funding things. You've got
Walmart money there. They are going to be able to
shower and I owe money. They're going to be able
to pay for the very best staff, the very best
of everything else. And I think John sees an opportunity
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to sort of have a little bit of a fresh
start with a fan base that wants him as opposed
to a fan base that feels stuck with him in
a school that feels stuck with him.
Speaker 7 (14:25):
I'm interested to see what he can do there.
Speaker 1 (14:27):
So the Browny James story, you know, and I not
that I got on my high horse, but I'm like,
you know, when people say, well, he's only getting drafted
for Lebron and my takeaway as sort of the way
you got into law school, Dad was there, Like that's
the world if I when I started a business three
years ago, I went to people I knew, yes and
I trusted. I called one NBA scout last week and
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he said, yeah, I can see a team smart kid.
He'd be a nice player on a smart like a Spurs.
You get a good coach, good staff, he plays the
right He is getting better and his SHOT's gotten a
lot better.
Speaker 2 (15:03):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (15:03):
And by the way, the Lakers fifty five pick. What
they need is young guys are can shoot. It's like
what they're one. They don't need size. So your takeaway
on potentially Lebron and the Lakers, I could see. I mean,
you wouldn't want somebody to draft him around where you
drafted and not take him. My take is if the
Lakers think he's going to get drafted somewhere, they would
draft him.
Speaker 6 (15:23):
Look if Lebron comes to the Lakers and said, I
would like you to draft my son, my opinion is
that they will draft his son. I think the Genie
bus has shown she wants to keep the stars.
Speaker 7 (15:31):
Happy, and I don't think it's a huge risk for them.
Speaker 6 (15:34):
I like to say in the NBA that second round
picks they're like singles at a strip club, like people
do trade them around quite often, and there is no
doubt that people have taken chances on second round late
second round picks that are way more of a wild
card than Bronnie James. Here's a guy who know he
has not put up the numbers in college and he
had the hard thing and all the other stuff.
Speaker 7 (15:51):
But he is an NBA body. He is an NBAIQ.
Speaker 6 (15:54):
He has been having conversations for the last eighteen years
with one of the smartest guys in the game, and
he is able to be an on defender. He's someone
who could develop with a two way contract or develop
into a rotation player. And the idea that if you
took him, you'd be giving up so much and I
can't believe you would do that. Come on, and they're
not talking about taking him in a top three.
Speaker 2 (16:13):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (16:13):
I mean outside of jokicch and Draymond Green, maybe Tony Parker,
you can name most of the great second round players
because there's not a lot of them. What you're looking
for is people that fit and are rotational. And if
it energizes the best player in the game in my city,
I'm good with it.
Speaker 7 (16:28):
Yeah, absolutely, And how special would that be?
Speaker 6 (16:31):
By the way, I don't have any problem with them
if that is what they decide they want to play together.
And by the way, Bronnie James could decide and he
could turn around to his dad and be.
Speaker 7 (16:37):
Like, Dad, can't okay, I just want to make it
on my own. I don't want to play with you.
I don't know what's happening in the James household. I'm
not there.
Speaker 6 (16:44):
But if they want to do it, I mean, you
remember when Bobby and Brett Hole played together.
Speaker 7 (16:48):
It's special.
Speaker 6 (16:48):
It's cool to see it transcends sports, and why shouldn't
we rebooting for a fun story like that?
Speaker 1 (16:53):
So I will say this about Doc Rivers. So I
like Doc. You know Doc, you know his rotations. I
try not to crush Darvin Ham or Doc Rivers on
rotations because I'm not at practice and there are times
that you reward guys for effort and you put them
in a rotation, and you know, I hear people getting
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upset at Darvin Ham all the time. I'm like, he
sees something, he sees effort. I'm gonna reward effort at
practice in games. Are you shocked that I thought it
would be better because Doc's good with old players. It's
kind of in a clunker.
Speaker 6 (17:27):
It has been surprising, especially since when you talk to
players on that team in the week or two after
Doc got there, they were praising the fact that he
had them communicating with each other better, that each player
knew what their role was more, their team defense was better.
So a lot of the building blocks that would make
them a good playoff team Doc was putting in there.
But you have not seen them playing with the kind
of joy that we've seen some of the most successful
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Bucks teams and Giannis cracking the dad jokes and guys
you know, beating their chest and Bobby Porter's running around,
And I think that is what's missing. They know that
by the way, Doc Rivers talked about that. He said
the team is heavy the other day, right, that is
what that is about. Yan has talked about it in
the postgame press conference last night. So they recently had,
according to the Athletic, a big come to Jesus film
session where the top players sat and they spoke their
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mind and they said what they thought and they tried
to move forward.
Speaker 7 (18:13):
I personally, I take them all out drinking for a night.
Speaker 6 (18:15):
I mean, this team needs to just go have some
fun together and bond, go bowling, do something like that.
Speaker 7 (18:20):
But they need to lighten up.
Speaker 6 (18:21):
And if they are given the chance to do that,
and going into this postseason, I still think they could
be dangerous, but they're not.
Speaker 7 (18:26):
There right now, and it's an upset potential in the
first round.
Speaker 1 (18:29):
There's a legendary story about the great John Wooden, who's
a very religious man and mad a great conviction, and
he had a UCLA team and they were He watched
practice for two or three weeks and they had a
big game coming up, and John's practices were down to
the second and John watched his team play and he
thought they were tight. And so for the only time
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in his career, he told his assistants, we're going to
goof around, We're going to dunk at practice. We're going
to be He goes, the team's way too tight. Yeah,
and they went. I think they beat Indiana. But I
think there's value in that is teams that like each
other off the floor played better on.
Speaker 7 (19:07):
The floor one hundred percent.
Speaker 1 (19:09):
By the way, Lebron embraced ad yes, very quickly, and
it's like it's been part of it right absolutely.
Speaker 6 (19:16):
And look, we've talked about Damian Lillard, and Damian Lillardho's
openly talked about he's had a hard time there this
year personally, his personal life.
Speaker 7 (19:22):
He misses his kids. His kids are still back in Portland.
Speaker 6 (19:24):
He is someone who really feeds off his family, just
like Yannis does, and I think not having that has
been hard for him. So there's been this set sort
of dour, kind of serious, heavy mood around this team,
and they are in a danger spot with the Sixers
being in the position right now to play them in
the first round.
Speaker 5 (19:39):
Yeah.
Speaker 7 (19:39):
No, if things continue.
Speaker 6 (19:41):
The way they are, you have to look at the
Sixers having huge upset potential in that series. We just
have to see if they make it into the playoff
that same way, and maybe they play Landa in the
first round and they have the chance to get their
legs down under them the Bucks do, and then we'll
see that's a different story.
Speaker 1 (19:54):
So so great having you here.
Speaker 4 (19:56):
Thank you.
Speaker 1 (19:58):
I'm not even gonna talk about the eclipse because nobody's
watching after this. It starts in forty minutes. Then you
can leave. But right now it's Rachel Nicholson.
Speaker 7 (20:04):
It's cloudy in a lot of the country today.
Speaker 2 (20:06):
Really cloudy.
Speaker 1 (20:07):
I mean you couldn't see your hand cloudy.
Speaker 6 (20:09):
Are you gonna do like a fake eclipse on the show?
Just one of the spotlights put like a hand you know.
Speaker 1 (20:14):
Should have been in our creative meeting this morning. Rachel,
she knows one more.
Speaker 2 (20:18):
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Speaker 1 (20:27):
Like mc cronin, UCLA basketball coach talking for due and
you con tonight. But first it's j Maack with the news.
Speaker 2 (20:35):
Turn on the news.
Speaker 3 (20:37):
This is the Herd line news that killed Kentucky thing. Yeah, Calipari,
I'll just I'll say it's not officially done.
Speaker 4 (20:45):
It should be done.
Speaker 3 (20:46):
But one of the lists I saw of coaches names
is like, oh, they should call mc cronin. So if
all of a sudden he cancels on us, that could
be a.
Speaker 4 (20:54):
Tell he's got something cooking. It could be he's a
really good coach, obviously.
Speaker 1 (20:58):
Could be the solar eclipse. I mean, you don't know why, Well,
what's that.
Speaker 4 (21:01):
I'm not familiar with what you're talking about. Okay, let's
start with the Minnesota Vikings.
Speaker 3 (21:05):
They're apparently rumored to move up from the eleventh pick
in the draft. According to former Viking GM Rick Spielman,
Minnesota will gladly overpay to get a chance to select
JJ McCarthy.
Speaker 9 (21:17):
They're not going to get it for just the first
two round picks. They're going to have to throw in
their first round pick in twenty and twenty five plus
some more draft capital to do what they have to
do to go up and get it. So if they
go get him, I don't think he's the fourth overall
best quarterback in this draft or best or I shouldn't
say best quarterbacks best player in this draft, but if
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you have to have one, then you're going to overpay
to get one. I think he's going to be a
good pro, but I think they're going to overpay if
they have to go up and get him.
Speaker 1 (21:48):
I completely agree.
Speaker 3 (21:49):
Oh come on, there's a reason a former GM is
saying that. Come on, you think you're okay overpaying to
go get JJ McCarthy.
Speaker 1 (21:57):
Well, I don't ever want to over over draft a player,
but I do think there is one position in the
sport sometimes too. I think I would, you know, I
would overdraft a left tackle if I know he's gonna
start for me and be B to B plus. Like
Joe Alt is good, he's not nobody thinks he's Jonathan Ogden.
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He's a guy that could go in make a couple
of Pro Bowls. I've talked to two GMS on Joe Alt.
They like him. They don't think he's going to be
one of the great left tackles in league history. He'll
make a couple of Pro Bowls. He's a good left tackle.
If you need a left tackle and and you know
you you see him as your thirteenth best player, and
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you draft seven, then go draft Joe All. That's a
prime example.
Speaker 4 (22:42):
Don't you feel like this is just posturing Colin? People
just filling the.
Speaker 3 (22:46):
Void leading up to the draft JJ McCarthy trading up
to get him at like four, Colin? That sound Just
just listen to what you're saying, trading up for JJ McCarthy.
Speaker 2 (22:59):
Well, I wouldn't Yeah, okay, right right, you wouldn't do it.
Speaker 4 (23:01):
I wouldn't do it. I don't think the Vikings would
do it. Now we know someone close to the Vikings,
and hopefully we'll hear some more stuff I get closer.
Speaker 1 (23:08):
I think the Giants would draft a quarterback. They won't
move up. So the question being if the Vikings are patient,
Remember that the Chargers were patient and got Herbert he
fell to them. They were patient and got Rashawn Slater.
They were patient and got Derwin James. Just sit and wait.
You got Sam Darnald. You're gonna win games with Sam Darnold.
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Just be paid. I don't think you have to jump
up to New England at three. If somebody wants to
do that, it'll probably be for Drake may or Jayden Daniels.
I don't think that what I'm hearing. In the NFL,
the people I trust do not have JJ McCarthy in
the top three quarterbacks in terms of talent. They have
him at best the fourth.
Speaker 4 (23:49):
I like him a lot. I'm not giving up future first.
Speaker 3 (23:52):
To go up three spots to get the fourth best quarterback.
Speaker 4 (23:55):
I did not do it that all right? Next up,
with three games left, the Lakers. How about this. They
are a half game behind the Kings for the eighth seed.
Speaker 3 (24:02):
After the Lakers loss last night, and during that loss
to the Timberwolves, Ad took a shot to the eye,
did not return. I know this has been your big thing.
He's been healthy all season. Now he's got a shot
to the eye. There's optimism he should be back Tuesday
night for a seismic game against the Warriors. By the way,
Lebron sat out last night, saving it for this big
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Warriors game on Tuesday.
Speaker 1 (24:24):
This is one of the more interesting NBA games in
a month. Warriors Lakers so rise against shooting.
Speaker 4 (24:34):
We got lucky.
Speaker 3 (24:34):
We got Caitlin Clark's Sunday, we got the Final Four
on Saturday, we get the Natty tonight, and we got
Lakers Warriors on Tuesdays a chance.
Speaker 1 (24:45):
This is a really we haven't had any controversy, but
it is interesting. We keep hearing out television is dying.
I got news for you. You keep putting on these
big stories. The draft will get huge numbers. Kaylan Clark
Tonight's game.
Speaker 4 (25:02):
Un He's gonna doubting you on that.
Speaker 1 (25:05):
Oh, it's gonna get a massive number this.
Speaker 4 (25:07):
Week on team.
Speaker 3 (25:08):
People don't understand, like if you haven't won, they are
UNLV level dominant.
Speaker 4 (25:11):
They are all UNLV from the nineties.
Speaker 1 (25:13):
New York, Philadelphia, the Northeast. That's the biggest program in
the Northeast. You're gonna get the Northeast to watch. Purdue's
gonna give you the Midwest and then the West Coast.
Lakers Warriors says tomorrow like, like Monday night's not a
big NBA night. So I think a lot of casuals
on the West coast will watch. The Midwest is gonna
watch in droves, and the Northeast when you can get Philly,
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New York.
Speaker 4 (25:35):
Ten hasn't been in the title game in more almost
twenty years.
Speaker 1 (25:38):
Michigan or Michigan State.
Speaker 3 (25:40):
I think was sparty back in the day. Listen, it's
a good week for basketball. Obviously we're rooting for the Lakers.
We don't want to see Lakers versus the Kings in
the plan. I know Lakers fans can scoff. I'm just
telling you this is not a good matchup for the Lakers.
Speaker 2 (25:52):
Final story.
Speaker 3 (25:53):
Colin UFL on sidekick alternatives showed up big yesterday in
the Brahmas nineteen fourteen went over the showboats. So in
the UFL you could choose to bypass a kickoff or
on sidekick and take the ball at your own twenty
eight for a fourth and twelve scenario.
Speaker 4 (26:11):
This is kind of cool idea. I was not really
aware of this, but it's kind of awesome.
Speaker 3 (26:15):
So san Antonio did that, converted it and marched down
the field for the game winning score.
Speaker 4 (26:21):
Listen, I don't know.
Speaker 3 (26:21):
If the NFL would add this kind of fourth and
twelve scenario. But the idea that you could have you
be down two touchdowns late and all of a sudden
you score and then you got a chance because of
this fourth and twelve kind of cool.
Speaker 1 (26:33):
The answer in the NFL is usually will it make
the television product better? And if the answer is yes,
they will consider it. Baseball still hasn't figured out. It's Broadway, baby,
It's a TV product. Stop worried about in house. It's
a TV product. There's ten times more people, one hundred
times more people watching on TV than in a stadium.
(26:54):
So with the NFL, the paight now it's better television.
The cat srole got cleaned up. Better television. This on
side stuff is going to be better television. And that's
all the NFL. If they can keep you in front
of a TV instead of going to the fridge and
getting a you know, Coors light, that's what they're gonna
do to your cores.
Speaker 4 (27:12):
Dog silver kind of guy.
Speaker 1 (27:12):
Huya.
Speaker 4 (27:13):
I was like, nice, are they a sponsor?
Speaker 1 (27:14):
Now? I'm not.
Speaker 3 (27:15):
No.
Speaker 4 (27:16):
I could use a course like KEG for the natty
tonight of my house. Eh, great you coming by?
Speaker 1 (27:20):
Nope? Not what at home? Can't wait? U?
Speaker 2 (27:24):
Is that it.
Speaker 1 (27:25):
Yeah, J Mack with the news.
Speaker 2 (27:27):
Well that's the news, and thanks for stopping by the
herd Line News.
Speaker 1 (27:32):
It really, it really was interesting, the whole uh uh,
the Caitlin Clark story. It was. It was funny because
I talked to an executive at this network about a
week ago and I said, well, the game's on cable,
it's not on television, and cable, uh you know, is
not broadcast TV. So I said, oh, the game will
get like seven and a half billion, and it got
like twelve. And I was like, I've been wrong before.
(27:53):
I'm usually not doubly wrong. Is the Caitlin Clark thing.
You can't explain a phenomenon, It just it is, and
everybody watches it. I think. I think one of the
things is we're so distracted with our iPhones that it's
very difficult to get something that everybody's like, I'm interested
in that, and uh, you know, we got one today,
(28:17):
we had one yesterday. It just doesn't happen a lot,
but when it does, don't find it like it's here
and it's not necessarily always explainable. And Caitlin Clark was like, yeah,
she's a good player, and they're not the best team
and it it just worked. It's just it's just this ascending, relatable,
(28:38):
very talented and it's also it matters that it's it's
it's a story that I can play along with. It's
easy to follow, and it's been two to three years
in the making. College men's basketball has no chemistry or continuity.
It's a turnstile. It's bad for business. I know, you know,
media always loves to empower the player. Can be bad
for business. It's bad if you're paying an average quarterback
(28:59):
the best that's bad for business. Business is why the
NFL is king. You rarely get trapped with a bad
contract in baseball. In the NBA, you get trapped constantly
with a bad contract, and it crushes the momentum your franchise.
This was an easy story. It was like a remake
in Hollywood. It was easy to follow along.
Speaker 3 (29:17):
So did you see that a lot of people were
outraged that, like CNN and other outlets are like South
Carolina beats Caitlin Clark in the championship, and then of
course the whole story, the image is all Caitlin Clark,
and people give South Carolina their credit and Colin you
know you and I have been in this business.
Speaker 4 (29:32):
We know the media is a business.
Speaker 3 (29:35):
They know that people care about Caitlin Clark, like South
Carolina great stories.
Speaker 1 (29:38):
Ago, are you.
Speaker 3 (29:40):
Clicking at Caitlin clark story? Are you turning on your
TV for Clayton Clark? Are you downloading podcasts for her?
She is business right now? And South Carolina they're a story,
but they're not business.
Speaker 1 (29:49):
Yeah. Never forget. College football ratings exploded this year. Why
because Michigan felt bigger than Georgia. Michigan's right in the
middle of the country. Jim Harball is a rock star.
There was Jim Harbaugh being suspended. Michigan football this year
felt big as the NFL. We were talking Michigan football
(30:09):
every Monday. We were talking it virtually every day on
the week. We don't do that with college football. So
you'd be idiotic if you were Fox and have a
big ten contract not to put Michigan on every week.
I'm sorry, but when the Detroit Pistons beat that Shaq
and Kobe Laker team that fell apart, I can remember
(30:30):
being on the air at the other network and saying,
the story, isn't the Pistons winning? And it wasn't. The
next day, the story was, Oh, the Lakers, Shaq and
Kobe and Phil they all hate each other. That was
the story. Don't confuse we won with we're more interesting.
When America beat Russia, Russia was the much better team.
(30:51):
The better story was Mike Eruzione and the underdog American
team in Lake Placid winning internationally. It was a wild,
shocking up said American team less talented was a much
greater story winning than Russia beating our guys by nine goals,
which I think they did in Madison Square Garden a
couple of months earlier. Don't confuse the winner with the
(31:12):
more interesting story.
Speaker 3 (31:13):
How about Deon Sanders in the Colorado Buffaloes. I mean,
Deonza fascinating. People can't tear themselves away from the television.
They were okay at the beginning, won a couple games.
Even though they petered out, they were still drawing huge numbers.
And people just have to understand, like, that's how it works.
Like if the masses want to watch Deon or Kitlyn
Clark or Steph Curry, they're gonna.
Speaker 4 (31:32):
Do that, and you're gonna have to read about that.
That's just how it is.
Speaker 1 (31:34):
I'm not in the credit business. Visa is master Cards
in the credit business. I'm not in that business. I'm
in the honesty business. I'm in the interesting business. Caitlin
Clark's fascinating Alabama was the best college football program over
the last ten to twelve years. They weren't that interesting
because it everybody got fatigued. I said this during Brady's run,
(31:56):
if you'd have taken Brady out married to a supermodel,
Tom Brady, New England was sort of about efficiency. They
weren't fascinating. The Chiefs, Mahomes, Andy Reid, the stylistic nature
of their offense. That's an interesting one. If you watch
Green Bay play now with Jordan Love, they're fun to watch.
They're fast, they're multiple, they're all these young players. That
(32:18):
is a fun team to watch. I don't think they're
the best team in the league. So I think Lamar
Jackson to me, the way he plays, it's a different style.
I always think Baltimore, even though they're a run team,
is kind of fascinating to watch. Tennessee with Derreck Henry
is not that interesting to watch. So teams are Buffalo
in my entire life, Buffalo has been a Greek tragedy.
(32:40):
But I mean, Jim Kelly, Josh Allen, they can't win
the big one. The Chicago Cubs winning the World Series
are not one of the ten best teams in my lifetime.
The ratings were stupendous, the story of the Cubs. I
was absolutely rooting for them to win that World Series.
It was great for America, great for the Midwest, great
for the Cubs, great for baseball. The Cowboy up Red.
Speaker 4 (33:00):
Sox, Dallas Cowboy. Oh yeah, yeah yeah, the.
Speaker 1 (33:03):
Cowboy up Red Sox the Yankees at one and off.
Speaker 2 (33:05):
I wanted the Red Sox to win.
Speaker 3 (33:07):
I was gonna say, Caitlin Clark has like a Dallas
Cowboys feel to women's college basketball. Well, people are kind
of into it. And then okaylo Qux, we got to
turn them on. Dallas Cowboys play on Sunday. People turned
them on. That's how Amercle was.
Speaker 1 (33:17):
It's very rare when you get the greatest player and
their underdogs. Generally the greatest player is a favorite. So
I think that's part of Michael Jordan's appeal is that
Michael for years was the greatest player, but he couldn't
get past the Pistons who bullied and tackled him or
the Celtics, so you all felt like, oh, I love
(33:39):
this basketball player named Michael Jordan. I love watching him play,
and he just kept losing close and losing and losing.
So when he broke through, you felt like you were
part of this journey. And I didn't care who won yesterday,
and I thought South Carolina, I mean South Carolina had
a thirty ze bench scoring advantage, like the way better team,
way deeper.
Speaker 4 (33:58):
To all their benro freshman five star recruits.
Speaker 1 (34:01):
Ya.
Speaker 4 (34:01):
I always got like, you know, like no star recruits
on their bench.
Speaker 2 (34:05):
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Speaker 10 (34:15):
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never have enough time to get to everything we want
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Speaker 8 (34:23):
To and that's why we have a brand new podcast
called over Promised. You see, we're having so much fun
in our two hour show. We never get to everything, honestly,
because this guy is over promising things we never have
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Speaker 10 (34:38):
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Speaker 2 (35:02):
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Speaker 3 (35:18):
Saturday on Fox, catch Ohio State's annual Scarlet and Greg
game for coach Ryan Day and the Buckeyes begin a
pivotal season and look to rise to the top of
college football once again. It all kicks off at noon
Eastern on Fox.
Speaker 1 (35:33):
I have wondered forever serious question why people don't run
spring games. I've won, like I'm not talking a lot
of them, but like you couldn't run like Steve Sarkasian
their spring game, Ohio State, Notre Dame spring game, LSU
spring game. I've never understood why people don't do that not.
I've also always wondered why we don't put surfing on
(35:55):
a network. I just like watching it. When you live
in California, pier have a couple of I can sit
and watch. I'm mesmerized by surfers. Probably not a great
television product, but you know they you know, they put
the Beach Volleyball for years and years. Remember when NBC
lost like NFL or Baseball and they put the Pro
you know, Volleyball League on TV. It held up for
(36:16):
a couple of years a VP. Yeah, yeah, you remember that.
Speaker 4 (36:18):
Awesome.
Speaker 9 (36:19):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (36:20):
So there's this story. I love to watch the outrage
on the internet. It just cracks me up. And now
we're going into an election cycle. It's already here. So
it's April November. You know, in the next two months
it's gonna get so toxic on all your devices. Stay away,
you're not going to learn anything. It's tribal everybody's got
their you know, candidate. But I love watching when people
(36:43):
get outraged over stuff they would never really care about,
but they just want to manufacture clicks and interest. So
Lebron James Son people he's entered the NBA draft potentially
and the portal and somebody, may you know, pay him
some money to play for him. He is good enough,
I think to be drafted mid to late second round.
(37:04):
You know, fifty fifth, sixtieth pick. Smart kid plays the
right way, getting better. His jumper's gotten better. Lakers just
don't have young shooters. They actually need some, so you know, well,
he averages so many points a game. He also had
a medical issue where it completely shut down his growth
(37:26):
and his game. They were worried about, you know, living
and stuff like that. So it's like, it's fine, he's
better than five points a game, but people all getting
outraged by it. And I'm like, folks, name the business
in the country where connections don't matter.
Speaker 2 (37:40):
Name one.
Speaker 1 (37:42):
If Lebron's going to sign a max one hundred and
eighty million dollar extension and Brony makes a million to
be the fifty fifth pick, oh, you're paying one hundred
eighty one million for Lebron. I just don't think it's
that big of a deal. It doesn't I mean, is
he being a bit overdrafted. They're talking about JJ McCarthy,
you know, people giving away multiple first round picks for
(38:02):
JJ McCarthy. That kind of overdrafting could be catastrophic if
he doesn't hit. If you're drafting somebody fifty fifth that
should be drafted sixty second or not at all, I
just don't I can remember Bill Belichick's drafted kickers. Bill
Belichick a couple of years ago, the Goat coach drafted
three interior offensive linemen and a kicker. So it's just drafting.
(38:27):
There was one time I think he drafted a guy
from Ohio State that was known as a tough guy
of rugby player who'd be good on special teams. People
draft different people all the time. Here was Rachel Nichols
on Brawny entering the NBA draft.
Speaker 6 (38:40):
If Lebron comes to the Lakers and said, I would
like you to draft my son, my opinion is that
they will draft his son. I think the Genie Buss
has shown she wants to keep the stars happy, and
I don't think it's a huge risk for them. Here's
a guy who know he has not put up the
numbers in college, and he had the hard thing and
all the other stuff, but he is an NBA body.
He is an NBAIQ. He has been having conversations for
the last eighteen years. One of the smartest guys in
(39:01):
the game, and he is able to be an on
ball defender. He's someone who could develop with a two
way contractor develop into a rotation player. And the idea
that if you took him, you'd be giving up so
much and I can't believe you would do that. Come on,
and they're not talking about taking him in a top
three Yeah.
Speaker 1 (39:16):
I mean, I don't follow the history of the fifty
fifth draft choice in the NBA. I bet if you
went back ten years, you're not giving up much. That
would be my guess, my hunch. You know, I love
the NFL Draft. I mean I'll literally watch NFL Draft
all weekend, Thursday, Friday, Saturday, Sunday. I love it. NBA Draft,
(39:36):
you know, I watch until about fifteenth pick and then
you sort of you know, it becomes either international or
college guys that are going to be at most rotational players.
What was your take when you heard Bronni entering the
NBA draft.
Speaker 3 (39:47):
Not a soccer second round pick. I I like Bronnie
a lot.
Speaker 4 (39:52):
I think he's going to be a solid rotation player
in like five years. But you can't take him in
the first te You just can't do it right. Here's
where it gets interesting. I don't know, you haven't looked
at the NBA draft. Will there be a US college
player draft in the top five? No, it's tough. I
don't know.
Speaker 3 (40:09):
Now the kid on Yukon tonight Castle, yes, could be,
and the big kid clinging could be.
Speaker 1 (40:14):
But I don't think that it doesn't. You know, it's interesting.
In college basketball, size is huge because there's not a
lot of them. Yeah, I mean, Purdue's got one big guy,
So like having a seven to four center in college
is like changes the entire sport. In the NBA, there's
so much size that people go the other way. Let's
(40:35):
get small ball, let's get quicker. But in college, if
you have a dominant seven footer, it is such a
massive advantage. I mean, Gonzaga doesn't get blown out by anybody.
They got blown out twice by Zach Edy and Purdue.
It's like, we don't have an answer for it.
Speaker 4 (40:49):
It's weird. Somebody hit me with a hot take. Could
Zach Edy? Are you ready for this? Turn into like
brook Lopez in the NBA?
Speaker 1 (40:55):
Why not?
Speaker 3 (40:56):
Brook Lopez, by the way, took I think three or
six three pointers in his whole college career. Now that's
all he does, three and protect the rim. Why couldn't
Zach Edy do that?
Speaker 1 (41:05):
He's improved from last year to this year at Purdue
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