April 8, 2024 • 33 mins
UCLA head coach Mick Cronin joins the show in studio to talk about Purdue big man Zach Edey ahead of tonight's National Championship
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:21):
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Speaker 1 (00:25):
Second time, we're bringing him on. We hope he's on
all the time. At Cronin UCLA basketball coach, two time
Conference Coach of the Year. You'd had about a streak
of twelve thirteen straight tournaments. You've been in this thing forever.
It's been fun to watch. And my takeaway initially was
it's a bit diluted. I don't think it's terribly good
at the middle or bottom, but at the top it's
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really good. I had talked to Mark feu maybe on
or off the air a month ago, and he's like,
I don't want to play Perdue again. Are you surprised?
Speaker 3 (00:55):
You know?
Speaker 1 (00:56):
The Midwest? Well, there were questions about are the two
zach need a pendant? Are they athletic enough? Are you
shocked produced here? No?
Speaker 3 (01:04):
No, not at all, because they you know, they've go
back again, you and I.
Speaker 4 (01:09):
You know, to our era.
Speaker 3 (01:11):
The Pistons had to go through losing to the Celtics, right,
the Bulls had to go through losing to the Pistons.
Speaker 4 (01:17):
You know.
Speaker 3 (01:17):
So Purdue's been through some tough times and they've all
stayed together, and they have an elite coach in Matt Painter,
and they have the best player in the country. Yeah,
so that it would have surprised me if they would
have lost because of what they've been through. I think
too many people say, well, they don't know how to win.
They were young. Give them a chance. You understand, last
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year they started two freshmen guards.
Speaker 4 (01:40):
That's all.
Speaker 3 (01:40):
You know, unless they're lottery picks, how are you going
to make the final four or two freshman guards.
Speaker 1 (01:44):
So Ed's size is significant, especially in college, but u
CON's actually a bigger team everywhere else. Yes, I kind
of feel like they'll hang around. But Hurley says this,
we're a lot. He's like, we it may take us
eighteen to twenty minutes. I read that we bring a lot.
I always felt this way with Alabama and Saban you
could hang for a half, but the velocity of athletes
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over the course of three hours, they wear you out.
Speaker 4 (02:08):
Who do you like tonight?
Speaker 3 (02:10):
I mean I would be shocked if Purdue one. I
think Yukon's a distinctive favorite for a couple of reasons.
One Klingon is the only guy that has a chance
to guard Eadie one on one and slow them down
a little exactly so you know, to me, the produced
supporting cast is relying upon the fact that you have
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to pay so much attention to Zach Edy that they
make open shots like they're you know, their supporting cast
isn't what Yukons is. I mean, you know, Caravan is
this unbelievable shot maker off screens.
Speaker 4 (02:44):
They have two guards.
Speaker 3 (02:46):
Do you understand Yukon's two starting guards combined Tristan Newton
and Cam Spencer.
Speaker 4 (02:51):
Tonight will be there. I look this up for US two.
Speaker 3 (02:55):
Hundred and ninety and ninety first college game combined.
Speaker 1 (02:59):
What a huge jedge.
Speaker 4 (03:00):
Two fifth year player, I mean.
Speaker 1 (03:02):
Exactly, very Villanova feeling.
Speaker 3 (03:05):
Yeah, and even more with the fifth year they're both
fifth year guys. You know they got every They just
got everything. Castle's a lottery pick, but he's not as
He's not like a down the road. He's gonna know,
he's a tough dude like that. You know his dad played.
I mean, Castle is a real guy. He's a productive freshman.
Caravan's the glue guy though. So when your four man
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is an elite shooter, I mean, it just changes everything.
I mean it's new wave basketball right with that stretch
for they're just parts fit but clinging. I mean, if
he doesn't get in foul trouble, but they have Johnson,
I mean they're just the best team.
Speaker 1 (03:39):
Yes, I think top to it felt like South Carolina
yesterday we had a thirty zhe bench advantage. You're talking
about different level, you know. I was saying, some athletes
ride the wave. Caitlin Clark felt like the wave is that.
I read a story that Gino Oriama had seen her
kind of passed on her. It's okay, people develop, Some
people are great at twelve. Some develop. We've seen that
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in all sorts of sports. When you watch Caitlyn Clark,
there's a guy who does this for a living. Get
we know she can shoot. What's the second thing you
look at and go, well, that's elite passing.
Speaker 4 (04:14):
I was surprised.
Speaker 3 (04:14):
Obviously, we're busy, so you don't have much time, right,
but it's like, what's going on, you know with this
girls player at IOWA? Right, so you turn it on
and her passing is elite. I don't know if she
would have had not to disparage anybody but her supporting cast,
would you know?
Speaker 1 (04:31):
God is good.
Speaker 3 (04:32):
Steph Curry's she's a college version is Steph Curry. She's
not the best athlete, but she's the best shooter and
an elite passer. The question for me and that I
don't know this because I don't know the w NBA
as well, but I know they're twenty eight, twenty nine, thirty.
You know, will hur Will she be able to get
all that done against better athletes, against more size?
Speaker 4 (04:53):
You know?
Speaker 3 (04:53):
How how much will that translate? I mean that's the
question going forward.
Speaker 1 (04:58):
Well, the one thing I do like about her and
she is she's a playmaker. Like a lot of scorers,
aren't they're just scores? Right?
Speaker 4 (05:04):
She can really pass it?
Speaker 1 (05:05):
She can. So I said this earlier. Life's about connections.
When I started a business three years ago, I leaned
on people. I knew if the Lakers took Brownie James
at fifty five. I called one NBA scout last week
and he said, listen, smart kid plays the right way
because of his physical scare, he's got more. He's not
a playmaker, he's not wildly dynamic, but he's a good athlete.
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And the Lakers have no shooters. He said, So if
you could find a guy off the bench, take him
two years. Gross And he said, if Lebron is energized
his last three years, it's not the end of the world.
Your takeaway, I mean, you know you saw him play.
Could he develop into a rotational NBA guy and hit jays?
Speaker 4 (05:44):
And I think in time for sure? Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (05:46):
The question is I would tell you I had the advantage.
I saw him let in high school obviously, you know,
with recruiting he played with the Maury Bailey at Sierra Canyon,
who played you know, so are a lot. I would
tell you the whatever had whatever went on with the
heart situation. Yeah, I mean, can you imagine how I mean,
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that's how hard that is. Yeah, well, I'm just going
to imagine. It wasn't like he was able to run around,
stay in shape. You know, he probably to shut it
down for an extended period of time he did to
come into It's hard enough as a freshman in college
basketball in this era of twenty you know, the fifth
year guys, a lot of them to come in as
a freshman that had an entire summer of training. Well,
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he had no summer, He had no fall really, and
then all of a sudden he's back on the court.
So he was a shell of what I saw in
high school.
Speaker 1 (06:39):
Right, So he's what did you see in high school?
Speaker 3 (06:42):
Well, I think he was quicker, faster, more athletics. So
you know, I think, you know, sitting around for five
months couldn't have helped.
Speaker 4 (06:48):
Course.
Speaker 3 (06:49):
But he can shoot the ball. He's smart. He's a
very good kid. I've been around him.
Speaker 1 (06:53):
Somebody told me he'll be great on a well run
organization because like his dad, he makes the right play.
Speaker 4 (07:00):
He's been trained that.
Speaker 3 (07:00):
Yeah, that's just habit for him, you know, I mean
he grew up. You imagine growing up sitting watching basketball
games and your dad, your dad's Lebron James.
Speaker 4 (07:09):
But he's to you as your dad.
Speaker 3 (07:11):
But he obviously he's talking about the right play all
the time. You know, the guy was, you know, the
best passer. You know, he's he's always made the right play.
When people say they knocked Lebron, well he should have
shot a bad shot.
Speaker 4 (07:22):
Why do he passed it to the wide open guy?
Speaker 3 (07:24):
Like people go on and say that stuff, like because
he guy's wide open, well we should have you know, Well,
if the guy would have made it, you wouldn't have
been criticized him. So his dad's always been around the
right play. So legacy guys too tend to In the
last fifteen years, a lot of legacy guys have been.
Speaker 4 (07:42):
Maybe underrated.
Speaker 3 (07:43):
And now he didn't fly under the radar like Steph
Curry Okay, like his brother Okay that you know he
went to Davidson.
Speaker 4 (07:54):
His brother went to Liberty.
Speaker 3 (07:55):
So the big advantage of if your your parent was
a good player, because you've been taught the game. A
lot of legacy players now it's not taught. I mean
in recruiting, I try to search for him, you do, yeah,
because you know how they've grown up. Like I know
why I'm here. My dad was a great high school
coach and when the season was over, he was part
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of the best organization in the Atlanta Braids for twenty
years they won fourteen rings.
Speaker 4 (08:21):
Like those are the people I walk home from school.
Speaker 3 (08:23):
Bobby Cox's in my house, you know, so like I
know the advantages I had growing up. So it's a
huge advantage when you can grow up around that, because
not only so bron he talks to his dad. Who
do you think his dad's friends are other good players?
Speaker 4 (08:37):
Right?
Speaker 3 (08:37):
I mean, look who they're you know, Look, so you're
just you're so far advanced and you don't even know
it that by the time you're thirteen, how much basketball
you really know?
Speaker 1 (08:45):
Yeah, you know, I for years and years I would
hear that, you know, if you grow up with money,
you won't have an edge. But I always felt basketball
has been a suburb sport for about fifteen years, and
that a lot of the good programs are well all
capitalized programs. There's suburban schools with money.
Speaker 3 (09:03):
Well, you know, we're in the era where money matters
now as well.
Speaker 4 (09:07):
But in high school.
Speaker 3 (09:08):
Look, high school has changed so much. You know, there
was an era of you know out here, whether it
was Fremont or Crenshaw, you know, Compton Centennial, and now
it's all private schools. Same you know, New York City,
the Catholic League back then, but even there were a
scholarship then, but the diocesis was so big there there.
Speaker 4 (09:29):
But now they all go to prep schools.
Speaker 3 (09:30):
You know, it's just the world of scholastic basketball has
really really changed.
Speaker 1 (09:36):
Yeah, I want to ask you about Zach Edy again.
So I think sometimes we make a mistake, and I'm
guilty of this, that we forget these are young people
and everybody ages. It doesn't matter if it's actors. You
see it in comedy. There are late bloomers. Not everybody
is a John Stewart twenty. He's just clever. A lot
of these comedians hit a twenty eight to thirty. And
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when I watched Zach Edie las Neast year, I was like,
and move very well. I'm not sure he's a great
closer for his side. And then I started watching him
at end of the Big Ten season, I'm like, God,
he's a way better player.
Speaker 4 (10:09):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (10:10):
And you've had a couple.
Speaker 4 (10:11):
Of those guys may Hawks.
Speaker 1 (10:13):
Yeah, and it is what what is the click factor?
Speaker 4 (10:17):
Is it?
Speaker 1 (10:17):
Because he was always big? What was the click factor?
And what do you think it is with him?
Speaker 3 (10:22):
Well, big guys on a rule of thumb in basketball, okay,
and just life. You know, taller you are, it takes
you longer to be coordinated. Okay, right, you know you
go watch you know, Mick cronin in seventh grade. I'm
the same size, right, you know, but versus some other kid,
it's all arms and legs. It's just going to take
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them time.
Speaker 4 (10:43):
Okay.
Speaker 3 (10:44):
It takes big guys longer for their coordination to catch
up to their size. And that's just and that's been
going on forever. So you know, Zach in his case,
I'm sure it's the same thing. It's just taking time.
It's taking hard work then it In his case, I
think he said he work really worked on his diet
is conditioning.
Speaker 5 (11:04):
You know.
Speaker 3 (11:04):
Matt painters much more cut, get much more Matt. Matt's
a friend of mine. You know, he wasn't going to
get It's a great example, you know for staying in school.
You know, everybody now wants to say, well, this guy,
everything's the microwave society, right. You got to give people
a chance to develop as a player, that's right, you know,
give him a chance. I mean, you know, look what's
happened now, he's going to be a lottery pick.
Speaker 4 (11:24):
Maybe.
Speaker 3 (11:25):
I mean I don't know if you've looked. I mean,
the boards have him all the way up. I saw
the one was at thirteen May.
Speaker 1 (11:32):
Oh, I had him at seventeen last time there.
Speaker 4 (11:34):
You go, Well, well he was like not drafted the
fifty last year.
Speaker 1 (11:38):
No. I when I watched him, I thought he was slow,
and I didn't think for a size he was dominant
enough close. Now he's completely dominant up close.
Speaker 3 (11:43):
Okay, look at Donovan Klingon, who's going to play tonight? Yeah, okay,
he could go probably gonna go top five now.
Speaker 4 (11:49):
Right.
Speaker 3 (11:49):
Last year he came off the bench. They played at
Donald Snogo as a starter. So you got to get
but bigger guys your original question. Yeah, the longer, taller
you are. It's very rare that those kind of guys
are ordinated and polished as a younger player, Very very rare.
Speaker 2 (12:04):
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Speaker 1 (12:14):
Is you know the psychology of Zachi ed I always
you know, he was six ten in the eighth grade,
and I always had this feeling that some bigs were
a little socially awkward because they were bigger than their teachers,
and like Kareem was very shy, and you've you've seen
like a guy that A lot of guards have had
big personalities, like they were the athlete, they were good looking,
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the girls liked them, the guys, and then you're seven
feet very rare. Embiid huge personality. But it is interesting
when you recruit bigs. Is it a different recruiting process
than a point guard?
Speaker 3 (12:50):
Oh yeah, I think you're you're you named a few shaq.
Speaker 4 (12:54):
Joe Embie's got you know, he's an alkoholing guy.
Speaker 3 (12:56):
A lot of guys, I think it's easy to become
introverted because.
Speaker 4 (13:02):
Well, people just staring at you.
Speaker 3 (13:04):
I mean, you know, imagine I've been very fortunate develop
relationship with Kareem Yes, okay, you being the coach at UCLA.
I mean he's told me some things and shared with
me some things from his youth because I'm fascinated and
I'm a history guy. Now I know he's the best
basketball player I want to know about you know, how
it was to be him? And it's just you know
what what you go through with people just staring at you,
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how's the you know, how's the weather up there? It's
like where you really did you come up with that
all by yourself? I mean, can you imagine being that
guy that has to listen to that every time you
get in an elevator. So I think it causes some
of those kids to maybe go, uh, you know, become
introspective and quieter.
Speaker 4 (13:41):
Which is not good for your basketball development.
Speaker 3 (13:44):
For your athletic development, you need to be confident, you know,
you should.
Speaker 4 (13:47):
You can't have your shoulders slouch.
Speaker 3 (13:49):
So, you know, I think again, as you get more
comfortable with your size and who you are as a person,
and except that you're just taller than everybody, and even
though people look at you because of that, you you
become a better player as you It translates.
Speaker 1 (14:06):
I like what I hear Zach Edie and the mic.
I like him.
Speaker 4 (14:08):
Oh yeah, he's.
Speaker 1 (14:09):
Got just enough attitude. He's just enough of a smart
alec that he's it's social.
Speaker 4 (14:15):
But who was he four years ago?
Speaker 3 (14:17):
You know it was really you know that's why you know,
you know, there's such a rush to try to a
guy comes into college, is he a pro or not?
Speaker 1 (14:25):
Well?
Speaker 3 (14:25):
Hold on, let let everybody's not Lebron James.
Speaker 4 (14:29):
You know, let let a guy develop. Let it. First
of all, let a boy become a man.
Speaker 3 (14:34):
Right when the boy becomes a man, he's going to
be a better player because he knows not only does
he know more about the game, he knows more about rest,
He knows more about what he should be focusing on.
But it's just you, you know, that's the world we're
in with the microwave society.
Speaker 1 (14:47):
So John Calipari goes to Arkansas. It's obviously it's it's
a duke Carolina Kansas. You gotta win. You gotta win
pretty quickly. But you would inherit some good players. John
can recruit his butt off. What do you make of
Part of why I like SEC football is they're crazy.
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Part of what makes Kentucky one of the top three jobs.
They're a little nuts.
Speaker 4 (15:11):
Well, their fan base is second to none. Period. Let's
just you know, I grew up sixty miles from there.
Speaker 3 (15:17):
They called you tomorrow, if they called me tomorrow, be
their coach. Yeah, I turned left on sunset.
Speaker 4 (15:24):
And yeah, yeah we leave here.
Speaker 3 (15:26):
I'm going to the Grand Havana Room at Beverly Hills
with your boss, Mark Silverman to watch the game tonight.
Speaker 4 (15:32):
That's a good Yeah, I mean, you know.
Speaker 3 (15:33):
But all seriously, it's it's we talked about this last time.
You know, the jobs can be some of these jobs
are the expectations are so high, incredible that the magnitude
of the job, you can't feed the beast forever, you know,
and when you build the beast early and coach John did,
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he had unbelievable success. And when you can't repeat that,
it's it's really hard. It's just a hard existence. So
you know, my guess would be that basically it was
just you know, time for change was his mind you know,
his mindset. I mean, I read something this morning, but
he's friends with the Tyson Chicken guy.
Speaker 4 (16:14):
I mean, that's all speculation. I mean, it's all speculation.
Speaker 1 (16:17):
But you do that job is you have to give
up chunks of your life.
Speaker 3 (16:21):
There you go, and that's pretty normal in our business.
That basically if you're going to be a college coach.
It's really hard for people outside of our business, for
former players or NBA guys, they can't understand it. Like yesterday,
I had a zoom call, you know, an hour and
a half on a Sunday. Then I had one of
my players over because he's from Spain, and I had
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to making birthday dinner because he's sitting there by himself
turning nineteen. Then I've already had a zoom call before
I drove here. You know, like, it's just your normal
is the work all the time as a college coats
and everything else is secondary. That's just like, so those
are the guys as it tend to be successful in
our business. It's just your normal that your life is secondary.
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But that job is really different than any other job.
Speaker 4 (17:08):
It really is. I mean, it's just is because of
the fan base and no pro sports.
Speaker 1 (17:13):
You get that southern tribal passion. It was the last
region to get pro sports. Yeah, so college they don't
have it. College is bigger than pro.
Speaker 3 (17:21):
Well, there is no pro in Kentucky. There are no
pro sports in the state of Kentucky now unless you
want to count the Red's Triple A team in Louisville.
Speaker 1 (17:29):
Yeah, so it's the show.
Speaker 4 (17:31):
And has been.
Speaker 3 (17:32):
That's the other thing about Trude, you know, college about tradition.
It has been the only other basketball team in that
state that's ever played besides Kentucky or Louisville. Because the
Kentucky Colonels of the ABA.
Speaker 1 (17:43):
Yeah that was artist Gilmour or something like that. There
was Dan Isselt.
Speaker 3 (17:46):
Yeah, I mean I was young man, I'm old, You're
not that much older than me.
Speaker 1 (17:50):
Great scene again, always a pleasure.
Speaker 4 (17:52):
I appreciate you having.
Speaker 1 (17:53):
Make Silverman pick it up. It's got a big budget.
Speaker 4 (17:55):
That's right in your buying an endless stream.
Speaker 1 (17:58):
Of revenue at Fox. Everybody knows that J Mack with
the News. This is the You're gonna make fun of
me because I know ABA teams.
Speaker 4 (18:11):
I think, how do you know? I was gonna say,
how did you know who played for them?
Speaker 6 (18:14):
Oh?
Speaker 1 (18:14):
Come on, Aba, how old are you sixty? I'm sixty.
Speaker 4 (18:18):
You look like you're mine. I'm fifty two. You do
not look sixty.
Speaker 1 (18:21):
Bro shut up some cliff Bars.
Speaker 3 (18:23):
Should we just scrap the news and Cliff Bars living
in la hips It doesn't hurt.
Speaker 7 (18:27):
Hey, Should we just do seventies sports trivia between you two?
Speaker 4 (18:31):
You want to go get me?
Speaker 1 (18:32):
I can Cincinnati Reads, I can go through the whole
roster in seventy six.
Speaker 4 (18:36):
Well that I can because I grew up in Cimson.
Speaker 1 (18:38):
Backup catcher was Bill Plummer Rawley Eastwick. Sorry to bore everybody.
Speaker 3 (18:42):
The fact that you know the backup catcher is that's strong,
all right?
Speaker 1 (18:46):
Go go hang out with so that is strong or troubling.
Speaker 8 (18:49):
I want to use.
Speaker 1 (18:52):
You see it.
Speaker 7 (18:53):
J Mack take it away, all right, So let's start
in the NFL draft. Caleb williams, uh, we know he's
a lot to go now umber one, but after that TBD.
Some people have Drake May as the number two quarterback
off the board. That's my call. Others, like NFL analyst
Meryl Hodge says, no, not so fast.
Speaker 4 (19:12):
On Drake May.
Speaker 6 (19:14):
Drake May's kind of player gets you fired. Especially you
draft him in the top five, in the top three,
you know he's gonna get you fired. His last game
Vincy State game was the most embarrassing display out or
seen from a guy who's supposed to be an elite
franchise quarterback. People think his athleticism will translate. People want
him to run and they will bust him up. He
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is not athletic enough to avoid and he doesn't get
down to learn how to do that. He won't last
till week ten. Man.
Speaker 1 (19:45):
Well, Meryl Hodge is putting it out there.
Speaker 7 (19:46):
Oh of course he is. Yeah, he wants to get
his name out there. Oh right, bank garbage.
Speaker 1 (19:50):
That's why he's saying.
Speaker 7 (19:51):
It's like stop it.
Speaker 1 (19:51):
Come on, by the way, you do know one of
these guys is gonna bust. Why isn't it Drake Man.
Speaker 7 (19:56):
He's throwing a dirt. He doesn't have no clue if
Drake May is gonna be No, he does. Nobody knew
Patrick Mahomes. He's seeing the greatest guy ever at number ten.
Well bad if you see things and Merrill sees things.
And he's called out guys before.
Speaker 1 (20:10):
And he was one of the guys that said you
can't draft Johnny Manziel, you can't draft.
Speaker 7 (20:13):
Him a little different Manzelle went, what twenty something?
Speaker 1 (20:17):
I mean, come on, yeah, I think if you look
at film you can see things that don't work. Meryl
Hodge's record, he's been riding along.
Speaker 7 (20:23):
Just let me know when you're ready to go on
record that you want nothing to do with Drake Bay
and he's gonna be a career backup. Just to let
me know when you're doing that, because we will.
Speaker 1 (20:31):
Chalk it up.
Speaker 7 (20:32):
Wessel pull up for social I mean you'll get your
pants pulled up.
Speaker 1 (20:35):
Man. Can you imagine going to lunch with one of
our exacts they bring out the corporate card.
Speaker 7 (20:41):
I don't get invited to those. Maybe you do. I
don't get invited to them.
Speaker 1 (20:45):
I barely get coffee in the break room. You kidding?
Maybe Mit Cronin just stops mine, gets lunch and everything.
Speaker 7 (20:50):
Yeah, let's get to someone much more famous than you
and I Russell Wilson. His off season program is underway
in Pittsburgh. According to tight end Pat Pryor Mooth, he
and receivers Calvin Austin and Van Jefferson were part of
a joint session with Russ.
Speaker 1 (21:05):
Nice like that was.
Speaker 9 (21:07):
Just down there in San Diego with him working out
and throw rouse. So he's been great talking through talking
to guys and started to build that connection. And uh,
he's a great guy if you can tell, like the
drive and the termination that he has to win and
coming to Pittsburgh and within some playoff games for us
so which is always great to be a part of.
And after he's gonna fit our coat around the locker.
Speaker 1 (21:29):
Room really well.
Speaker 7 (21:34):
Russ is excited to go from Judy and Sutton to
Van Jefferson and Calvin Austin.
Speaker 1 (21:41):
Oh, I know, Russell Wilson in a Steeler jersey is
going to be interesting looking and for seven weeks until
Fields takes it. Oh boy, all right, well that's how
you see it. You also think Drake May is gonna pop.
Speaker 4 (21:55):
Boy, Drake.
Speaker 7 (21:57):
Yes, Drake May will pop Rookie of the Year.
Speaker 1 (21:59):
Lock it up, good Rookie of the year.
Speaker 7 (22:02):
Let me know what the odds are. I'll just go
buy me.
Speaker 1 (22:04):
If it happened, I wouldn't be shocked because when I
first saw him, I thought he looked like Justin Herbert.
That was my first take when I watched him. I'm like,
he do, say Justin Herbert, and Justin Herbert's great.
Speaker 7 (22:14):
Final story is a team I've been trying to tell
you about, Colin the Dallas Mavericks. Luca and Kyrie went
off yesterday, combining for eighty five points as they came
back from twenty two down to beat the Rockets in overtime.
Dallas is climbing. They were a playing team. Now they're fifth,
setting up a third round rematch or a third time
rematch with the LA Clippers. And by the way, I
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know you guys might have done it last week and
I was out on spring break. What's going on with
Kawhi Leonard? Because if he ain't there, Luca will tear
these guys up. Well, I think Kyrie will destroy the Clippers.
Speaker 1 (22:46):
We'll bolays known Lucas a machine. But the fact that
Kyrie playing with a guy that's that ball centric is
happy is encouraging because this was a big swing. My
first take when it happened was, oh, I get him
rolling the dice this and then I looked, uh, you know,
Pine in the face because it didn't work.
Speaker 7 (23:03):
They makes the playoffs.
Speaker 1 (23:04):
But now it is what I thought initially it could
have been, which is, oh, they'll be wildly fun limited defensively,
But the truth is now they're playing good defense.
Speaker 7 (23:13):
So if I asked you in the West after the Nuggets,
if somebody besides the Nuggets had to make the finals,
who would you take?
Speaker 1 (23:20):
Lakers? What I know, I like Lakers. They wasn't like
nine to ten or something like that. They're good. They
played tomorrow, they played the Warriors. Watch out.
Speaker 7 (23:29):
Also, I know we're we don't talk about this team,
but the paper clips. This Kawhi Leonard situation hasn't played
in a while. It's a knee. They're not saying much.
The last time they didn't say much. It was like, oh,
Kawhi's got an ACL he's out, Like we don't know
what's going on. They're not getting out of the first round.
By the way, if Kawhi doesn't doesn't play, I don't
know how serious it is, because there'd be I.
Speaker 1 (23:48):
Can't build around Kawhi and Enigma. Dude, you can't. You
can't build around Odd. There's nothing wrong.
Speaker 7 (23:55):
Kyrie Irving two years ago was super odd.
Speaker 1 (23:58):
I mean, he totally well for the COVID changed a
lot of people. Old people that were rational became irrational during.
Speaker 7 (24:06):
Co So I haven't seen a deep dive on it.
But what has changed with Kyrie? Why is he suddenly
locked in and playing well? I don't First of all.
Speaker 1 (24:14):
They're winning. Winning helps. Go on a road trip and
you win four or five, it helps. Secondly, he's getting
his looks. He's getting credit for being part of it.
He doesn't have to be. His defense isn't being called
out because others are picking up the slack. So everything's
kind of working in his favor. He's getting his looks,
his shots, his points. And by the way, Luca gets
all the pressure. If they lose, nobody's blaming Kyrie with
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a g Luca takes the hit.
Speaker 7 (24:38):
So remember Jalen Brunson and Luca went to the conference
finals a couple of years ago against the Warriors and
they lost. Jalen Brunson moves on. I don't see why
Kyrie can't be in the Jalen Brunson mold. Hey, man,
we need you to get a bucket. Lucas off, Lucas struggling,
Lucas hurt, Kyrie can take over. I like this, Mapsie.
I don't know how much you want to put on it.
But MAV's in the finals. I think that's certainly in play,
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not even a long shot in play.
Speaker 1 (25:03):
J Mack with the news.
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Speaker 1 (26:24):
So I thought, uh, total eclipse of the sport. We
have the uh solar eclipse today? Are you wearing jiju?
I saw, I went and saw it. It was very
fascinating to people. So I'm gonna I'm gonna give you
ten athletes that all of them eclipse the popularity of
their sport. All of the ten did, but in some
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level of order of just how big they were. Are
you ready? So number ten, I'll give it to Lance
Armstrong cause we don't watch cycling. He won seven consecutive
Tour de France's, but the ratings jumped forty three percent
when he was on when he came out of retirement.
(27:05):
So this is somebody that literally changed, like Caitlin Clark,
changed the ratings significantly, and since he's left among cycling purists,
it's still a thing but not really discussed. Number nine
would be Usain Bolt. To give you an example of
how big he was. He made thirty million dollars in
endorsements in twenty sixty, just one year. I mean, I
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don't know who the fastest person in the world is.
I don't know most of my life who the fastest
person in the world is. Usain Bolt, eight time Olympic
gold medalist. A number eight Sean White. Does anybody understand
basically the X Games exist because of the sport exists
largely on TV. The X Games because of Shawn White.
(27:50):
Every year he competed record ratings very rarely. Can you
say this sport would not get on television without an athlete,
he'd be at Naumber eight. I think seven is Mike Tyson.
What's boxing been since he left? Whether you like him
or not, Tyson is one of the most feared athletes ever.
He was in the movie Hangover. He began his career
(28:13):
with nineteen straight knockouts. And when Mike left, the sport left,
I mean not dipped. It felt like it left. Number
six Caitlin Clark double the rating of the other final
four matchup. So college women have been getting decent numbers
for a while and growing numbers for years. You've had
multiple dynasties Tennessee pat Summit Yukon, but to double triple numbers.
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Her first nine games at IOWA were not even televised,
so she's pretty big deal. Number five Tony Hawk. He
made one point four billion in sales for his video games.
That's how big Tony Hawk was. One point four billion dollars.
He'd wrote sixteen times, he was an games ten times,
(29:01):
he was a Golden Menallest sixteen times. But again, a
guy that was able to move merchandise at a level
that is only surpassed by a handful of American athletes
ever one point four billion plus in video game sales.
Tony Hope. Number four Michael Phelps. I couldn't name the
(29:21):
second most popular swimmer of my life, Mark Spitz twenty
three gold medals. He kind of, I'll be honest with you.
He didn't just carry swimming. He carried entire Olympics. Rating flies.
If you go back to the Michael Phelps Olympics, essentially
he was disgusted at about every other sport. He won
gold in Beijing in every event he took place in
(29:43):
and again was literally a guy that carried the Olympics.
Number three Wayne Gretzky not only did the LA Kings
see a massive jump in attendance and ratings, won the
NHL MVP nine times, appeared on the cover of Sports
Illustrated when it mattered a dozen times. I think Wayne Gretzky,
I don't think the sports ever, really it's had. Basically
(30:06):
there's pre Gretzki, the Gretzki, or a post Gretzki. I
think he carried this sport. Many people believe women's college
basketball will continue to thrive. I don't think hockey's ever
been as big without it. Number two is Tiger Woods.
He changed the image of golf, the athleticism, how we
felt no more than thirteen years. Think about that, j
(30:28):
Mac more than thirteen years as the number one golfer
on the planet. He was so popular just his golf ball,
forget the club, his golf ball. They made one hundred
and three million dollars in profit on the Tiger Woods
golf ball. He drove merchandise for fifteen years. Number one,
(30:53):
I don't think there's anybody close. Michael Jordan. Last year
six billion dollars in brand. So Jordan, there's I mean,
the NBA lost fifty percent of its ratings and had
like ten year great run of TV ratings, lost half
the minuity left, likability, invincibility, nothing like MJ.
Speaker 4 (31:17):
Ever.
Speaker 1 (31:18):
I do feel like MJ and Tiger are kind of
in their own class, and then you have the other
eight who were clearly popular. But when you look at
Tony Hawk, people forget Tony Hawk in skateboarding drove billions
of dollars for a decade and more in revenue one
(31:41):
point four billion just on the video game.
Speaker 7 (31:43):
Were you ever a skateboard guy?
Speaker 4 (31:45):
Yeah, hilly.
Speaker 1 (31:46):
Yeah, we had a long driveway. After you fall a
couple of times and whip up because back then we
didn't have all the I had a skateboard, we didn't
have like knee pads, and so you fall in a cement.
Speaker 7 (31:57):
There weren't even helmets. I don't think when I was
when I did it, I didn't skateboard. Not my bag.
Speaker 1 (32:02):
I did, and I was a no skateboarding for me.
I was a skier and a skateboarder. I wasn't a
great skateboarder. I'm not a great skier.
Speaker 7 (32:10):
You're doing like half pipes or I don't know. No,
I don't have the terminology of kidding guy, but I
would say Sean White the X Games, he carried him.
He was a big deal.
Speaker 1 (32:18):
Yeah, they're actually The X Games is something I don't
watch regularly, but when it's on, it's pretty fun. It's
kind of crazy, but people coord for it. Yeah, what
people can do, you'd you'd be you're a little shorter,
you'd be great at that stuff.
Speaker 7 (32:30):
I actually played soccer Sunday for the first time in
I got a soccer tournament coming up adults. Two goals
and an assist, No big deal.
Speaker 1 (32:38):
That's what I do. Weren't you playing in the over
sixty league though.
Speaker 7 (32:42):
There were some older guys there, But uh, I just
like cardio and competing.
Speaker 1 (32:48):
I like to lift throw weights around.
Speaker 4 (32:49):
That's me.
Speaker 1 (32:50):
I'm different. Okay, So I got Yukon tonight, a nine
points close game. They lead by two at half, wear
them down. Going on. Zach Edy is effective but not
as dominant, and uh, Yukon size over the course of
a game wears down.
Speaker 7 (33:08):
Now go u com by twelve plus. You know, they've
won eleven straight tournament games by double digits. Like they're
last sixteen games fourteen or two against the spread. They're
just killing people. I don't know, man, this team's a juggernaut.
Like they're almost undervalued in terms of like what people
think about it.
Speaker 1 (33:25):
They are. Like, it's funny. A lot of great teams,
the Kansas City Chiefs with mahomes have never been a
great double digit favorite. You don't cover. And then you
get these teams where people keep doubt. I've been watching
people on the internet for a month doubt Ukon. Yeah, folks,
two years in a row. They're beating everybody by twenty
three points.
Speaker 7 (33:44):
Remember what I doubted them? When you said, in there,
your bracket you caught. I was like Auburn, keep an
eye on Auburn.
Speaker 1 (33:49):
Shock. I like chalk. They're chalky. All right, See you tomorrow.
Speaker 4 (33:55):
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Speaker 2 (00:21):
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Speaker 1 (00:25):
Second time, we're bringing him on. We hope he's on
all the time. At Cronin UCLA basketball coach, two time
Conference Coach of the Year. You'd had about a streak
of twelve thirteen straight tournaments. You've been in this thing forever.
It's been fun to watch. And my takeaway initially was
it's a bit diluted. I don't think it's terribly good
at the middle or bottom, but at the top it's
(00:46):
really good. I had talked to Mark feu maybe on
or off the air a month ago, and he's like,
I don't want to play Perdue again. Are you surprised?
Speaker 3 (00:55):
You know?
Speaker 1 (00:56):
The Midwest? Well, there were questions about are the two
zach need a pendant? Are they athletic enough? Are you
shocked produced here? No?
Speaker 3 (01:04):
No, not at all, because they you know, they've go
back again, you and I.
Speaker 4 (01:09):
You know, to our era.
Speaker 3 (01:11):
The Pistons had to go through losing to the Celtics, right,
the Bulls had to go through losing to the Pistons.
Speaker 4 (01:17):
You know.
Speaker 3 (01:17):
So Purdue's been through some tough times and they've all
stayed together, and they have an elite coach in Matt Painter,
and they have the best player in the country. Yeah,
so that it would have surprised me if they would
have lost because of what they've been through. I think
too many people say, well, they don't know how to win.
They were young. Give them a chance. You understand, last
(01:38):
year they started two freshmen guards.
Speaker 4 (01:40):
That's all.
Speaker 3 (01:40):
You know, unless they're lottery picks, how are you going
to make the final four or two freshman guards.
Speaker 1 (01:44):
So Ed's size is significant, especially in college, but u
CON's actually a bigger team everywhere else. Yes, I kind
of feel like they'll hang around. But Hurley says this,
we're a lot. He's like, we it may take us
eighteen to twenty minutes. I read that we bring a lot.
I always felt this way with Alabama and Saban you
could hang for a half, but the velocity of athletes
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over the course of three hours, they wear you out.
Speaker 4 (02:08):
Who do you like tonight?
Speaker 3 (02:10):
I mean I would be shocked if Purdue one. I
think Yukon's a distinctive favorite for a couple of reasons.
One Klingon is the only guy that has a chance
to guard Eadie one on one and slow them down
a little exactly so you know, to me, the produced
supporting cast is relying upon the fact that you have
(02:30):
to pay so much attention to Zach Edy that they
make open shots like they're you know, their supporting cast
isn't what Yukons is. I mean, you know, Caravan is
this unbelievable shot maker off screens.
Speaker 4 (02:44):
They have two guards.
Speaker 3 (02:46):
Do you understand Yukon's two starting guards combined Tristan Newton
and Cam Spencer.
Speaker 4 (02:51):
Tonight will be there. I look this up for US two.
Speaker 3 (02:55):
Hundred and ninety and ninety first college game combined.
Speaker 1 (02:59):
What a huge jedge.
Speaker 4 (03:00):
Two fifth year player, I mean.
Speaker 1 (03:02):
Exactly, very Villanova feeling.
Speaker 3 (03:05):
Yeah, and even more with the fifth year they're both
fifth year guys. You know they got every They just
got everything. Castle's a lottery pick, but he's not as
He's not like a down the road. He's gonna know,
he's a tough dude like that. You know his dad played.
I mean, Castle is a real guy. He's a productive freshman.
Caravan's the glue guy though. So when your four man
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is an elite shooter, I mean, it just changes everything.
I mean it's new wave basketball right with that stretch
for they're just parts fit but clinging. I mean, if
he doesn't get in foul trouble, but they have Johnson,
I mean they're just the best team.
Speaker 1 (03:39):
Yes, I think top to it felt like South Carolina
yesterday we had a thirty zhe bench advantage. You're talking
about different level, you know. I was saying, some athletes
ride the wave. Caitlin Clark felt like the wave is that.
I read a story that Gino Oriama had seen her
kind of passed on her. It's okay, people develop, Some
people are great at twelve. Some develop. We've seen that
(04:00):
in all sorts of sports. When you watch Caitlyn Clark,
there's a guy who does this for a living. Get
we know she can shoot. What's the second thing you
look at and go, well, that's elite passing.
Speaker 4 (04:14):
I was surprised.
Speaker 3 (04:14):
Obviously, we're busy, so you don't have much time, right,
but it's like, what's going on, you know with this
girls player at IOWA? Right, so you turn it on
and her passing is elite. I don't know if she
would have had not to disparage anybody but her supporting cast,
would you know?
Speaker 1 (04:31):
God is good.
Speaker 3 (04:32):
Steph Curry's she's a college version is Steph Curry. She's
not the best athlete, but she's the best shooter and
an elite passer. The question for me and that I
don't know this because I don't know the w NBA
as well, but I know they're twenty eight, twenty nine, thirty.
You know, will hur Will she be able to get
all that done against better athletes, against more size?
Speaker 4 (04:53):
You know?
Speaker 3 (04:53):
How how much will that translate? I mean that's the
question going forward.
Speaker 1 (04:58):
Well, the one thing I do like about her and
she is she's a playmaker. Like a lot of scorers,
aren't they're just scores? Right?
Speaker 4 (05:04):
She can really pass it?
Speaker 1 (05:05):
She can. So I said this earlier. Life's about connections.
When I started a business three years ago, I leaned
on people. I knew if the Lakers took Brownie James
at fifty five. I called one NBA scout last week
and he said, listen, smart kid plays the right way
because of his physical scare, he's got more. He's not
a playmaker, he's not wildly dynamic, but he's a good athlete.
(05:27):
And the Lakers have no shooters. He said, So if
you could find a guy off the bench, take him
two years. Gross And he said, if Lebron is energized
his last three years, it's not the end of the world.
Your takeaway, I mean, you know you saw him play.
Could he develop into a rotational NBA guy and hit jays?
Speaker 4 (05:44):
And I think in time for sure? Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (05:46):
The question is I would tell you I had the advantage.
I saw him let in high school obviously, you know,
with recruiting he played with the Maury Bailey at Sierra Canyon,
who played you know, so are a lot. I would
tell you the whatever had whatever went on with the
heart situation. Yeah, I mean, can you imagine how I mean,
(06:07):
that's how hard that is. Yeah, well, I'm just going
to imagine. It wasn't like he was able to run around,
stay in shape. You know, he probably to shut it
down for an extended period of time he did to
come into It's hard enough as a freshman in college
basketball in this era of twenty you know, the fifth
year guys, a lot of them to come in as
a freshman that had an entire summer of training. Well,
(06:30):
he had no summer, He had no fall really, and
then all of a sudden he's back on the court.
So he was a shell of what I saw in
high school.
Speaker 1 (06:39):
Right, So he's what did you see in high school?
Speaker 3 (06:42):
Well, I think he was quicker, faster, more athletics. So
you know, I think, you know, sitting around for five
months couldn't have helped.
Speaker 4 (06:48):
Course.
Speaker 3 (06:49):
But he can shoot the ball. He's smart. He's a
very good kid. I've been around him.
Speaker 1 (06:53):
Somebody told me he'll be great on a well run
organization because like his dad, he makes the right play.
Speaker 4 (07:00):
He's been trained that.
Speaker 3 (07:00):
Yeah, that's just habit for him, you know, I mean
he grew up. You imagine growing up sitting watching basketball
games and your dad, your dad's Lebron James.
Speaker 4 (07:09):
But he's to you as your dad.
Speaker 3 (07:11):
But he obviously he's talking about the right play all
the time. You know, the guy was, you know, the
best passer. You know, he's he's always made the right play.
When people say they knocked Lebron, well he should have
shot a bad shot.
Speaker 4 (07:22):
Why do he passed it to the wide open guy?
Speaker 3 (07:24):
Like people go on and say that stuff, like because
he guy's wide open, well we should have you know, Well,
if the guy would have made it, you wouldn't have
been criticized him. So his dad's always been around the
right play. So legacy guys too tend to In the
last fifteen years, a lot of legacy guys have been.
Speaker 4 (07:42):
Maybe underrated.
Speaker 3 (07:43):
And now he didn't fly under the radar like Steph
Curry Okay, like his brother Okay that you know he
went to Davidson.
Speaker 4 (07:54):
His brother went to Liberty.
Speaker 3 (07:55):
So the big advantage of if your your parent was
a good player, because you've been taught the game. A
lot of legacy players now it's not taught. I mean
in recruiting, I try to search for him, you do, yeah,
because you know how they've grown up. Like I know
why I'm here. My dad was a great high school
coach and when the season was over, he was part
(08:17):
of the best organization in the Atlanta Braids for twenty
years they won fourteen rings.
Speaker 4 (08:21):
Like those are the people I walk home from school.
Speaker 3 (08:23):
Bobby Cox's in my house, you know, so like I
know the advantages I had growing up. So it's a
huge advantage when you can grow up around that, because
not only so bron he talks to his dad. Who
do you think his dad's friends are other good players?
Speaker 4 (08:37):
Right?
Speaker 3 (08:37):
I mean, look who they're you know, Look, so you're
just you're so far advanced and you don't even know
it that by the time you're thirteen, how much basketball
you really know?
Speaker 1 (08:45):
Yeah, you know, I for years and years I would
hear that, you know, if you grow up with money,
you won't have an edge. But I always felt basketball
has been a suburb sport for about fifteen years, and
that a lot of the good programs are well all
capitalized programs. There's suburban schools with money.
Speaker 3 (09:03):
Well, you know, we're in the era where money matters
now as well.
Speaker 4 (09:07):
But in high school.
Speaker 3 (09:08):
Look, high school has changed so much. You know, there
was an era of you know out here, whether it
was Fremont or Crenshaw, you know, Compton Centennial, and now
it's all private schools. Same you know, New York City,
the Catholic League back then, but even there were a
scholarship then, but the diocesis was so big there there.
Speaker 4 (09:29):
But now they all go to prep schools.
Speaker 3 (09:30):
You know, it's just the world of scholastic basketball has
really really changed.
Speaker 1 (09:36):
Yeah, I want to ask you about Zach Edy again.
So I think sometimes we make a mistake, and I'm
guilty of this, that we forget these are young people
and everybody ages. It doesn't matter if it's actors. You
see it in comedy. There are late bloomers. Not everybody
is a John Stewart twenty. He's just clever. A lot
of these comedians hit a twenty eight to thirty. And
(09:58):
when I watched Zach Edie las Neast year, I was like,
and move very well. I'm not sure he's a great
closer for his side. And then I started watching him
at end of the Big Ten season, I'm like, God,
he's a way better player.
Speaker 4 (10:09):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (10:10):
And you've had a couple.
Speaker 4 (10:11):
Of those guys may Hawks.
Speaker 1 (10:13):
Yeah, and it is what what is the click factor?
Speaker 4 (10:17):
Is it?
Speaker 1 (10:17):
Because he was always big? What was the click factor?
And what do you think it is with him?
Speaker 3 (10:22):
Well, big guys on a rule of thumb in basketball, okay,
and just life. You know, taller you are, it takes
you longer to be coordinated. Okay, right, you know you
go watch you know, Mick cronin in seventh grade. I'm
the same size, right, you know, but versus some other kid,
it's all arms and legs. It's just going to take
(10:42):
them time.
Speaker 4 (10:43):
Okay.
Speaker 3 (10:44):
It takes big guys longer for their coordination to catch
up to their size. And that's just and that's been
going on forever. So you know, Zach in his case,
I'm sure it's the same thing. It's just taking time.
It's taking hard work then it In his case, I
think he said he work really worked on his diet
is conditioning.
Speaker 5 (11:04):
You know.
Speaker 3 (11:04):
Matt painters much more cut, get much more Matt. Matt's
a friend of mine. You know, he wasn't going to
get It's a great example, you know for staying in school.
You know, everybody now wants to say, well, this guy,
everything's the microwave society, right. You got to give people
a chance to develop as a player, that's right, you know,
give him a chance. I mean, you know, look what's
happened now, he's going to be a lottery pick.
Speaker 4 (11:24):
Maybe.
Speaker 3 (11:25):
I mean I don't know if you've looked. I mean,
the boards have him all the way up. I saw
the one was at thirteen May.
Speaker 1 (11:32):
Oh, I had him at seventeen last time there.
Speaker 4 (11:34):
You go, Well, well he was like not drafted the
fifty last year.
Speaker 1 (11:38):
No. I when I watched him, I thought he was slow,
and I didn't think for a size he was dominant
enough close. Now he's completely dominant up close.
Speaker 3 (11:43):
Okay, look at Donovan Klingon, who's going to play tonight? Yeah, okay,
he could go probably gonna go top five now.
Speaker 4 (11:49):
Right.
Speaker 3 (11:49):
Last year he came off the bench. They played at
Donald Snogo as a starter. So you got to get
but bigger guys your original question. Yeah, the longer, taller
you are. It's very rare that those kind of guys
are ordinated and polished as a younger player, Very very rare.
Speaker 2 (12:04):
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Speaker 1 (12:14):
Is you know the psychology of Zachi ed I always
you know, he was six ten in the eighth grade,
and I always had this feeling that some bigs were
a little socially awkward because they were bigger than their teachers,
and like Kareem was very shy, and you've you've seen
like a guy that A lot of guards have had
big personalities, like they were the athlete, they were good looking,
(12:36):
the girls liked them, the guys, and then you're seven
feet very rare. Embiid huge personality. But it is interesting
when you recruit bigs. Is it a different recruiting process
than a point guard?
Speaker 3 (12:50):
Oh yeah, I think you're you're you named a few shaq.
Speaker 4 (12:54):
Joe Embie's got you know, he's an alkoholing guy.
Speaker 3 (12:56):
A lot of guys, I think it's easy to become
introverted because.
Speaker 4 (13:02):
Well, people just staring at you.
Speaker 3 (13:04):
I mean, you know, imagine I've been very fortunate develop
relationship with Kareem Yes, okay, you being the coach at UCLA.
I mean he's told me some things and shared with
me some things from his youth because I'm fascinated and
I'm a history guy. Now I know he's the best
basketball player I want to know about you know, how
it was to be him? And it's just you know
what what you go through with people just staring at you,
(13:25):
how's the you know, how's the weather up there? It's
like where you really did you come up with that
all by yourself? I mean, can you imagine being that
guy that has to listen to that every time you
get in an elevator. So I think it causes some
of those kids to maybe go, uh, you know, become
introspective and quieter.
Speaker 4 (13:41):
Which is not good for your basketball development.
Speaker 3 (13:44):
For your athletic development, you need to be confident, you know,
you should.
Speaker 4 (13:47):
You can't have your shoulders slouch.
Speaker 3 (13:49):
So, you know, I think again, as you get more
comfortable with your size and who you are as a person,
and except that you're just taller than everybody, and even
though people look at you because of that, you you
become a better player as you It translates.
Speaker 1 (14:06):
I like what I hear Zach Edie and the mic.
I like him.
Speaker 4 (14:08):
Oh yeah, he's.
Speaker 1 (14:09):
Got just enough attitude. He's just enough of a smart
alec that he's it's social.
Speaker 4 (14:15):
But who was he four years ago?
Speaker 3 (14:17):
You know it was really you know that's why you know,
you know, there's such a rush to try to a
guy comes into college, is he a pro or not?
Speaker 1 (14:25):
Well?
Speaker 3 (14:25):
Hold on, let let everybody's not Lebron James.
Speaker 4 (14:29):
You know, let let a guy develop. Let it. First
of all, let a boy become a man.
Speaker 3 (14:34):
Right when the boy becomes a man, he's going to
be a better player because he knows not only does
he know more about the game, he knows more about rest,
He knows more about what he should be focusing on.
But it's just you, you know, that's the world we're
in with the microwave society.
Speaker 1 (14:47):
So John Calipari goes to Arkansas. It's obviously it's it's
a duke Carolina Kansas. You gotta win. You gotta win
pretty quickly. But you would inherit some good players. John
can recruit his butt off. What do you make of
Part of why I like SEC football is they're crazy.
(15:07):
Part of what makes Kentucky one of the top three jobs.
They're a little nuts.
Speaker 4 (15:11):
Well, their fan base is second to none. Period. Let's
just you know, I grew up sixty miles from there.
Speaker 3 (15:17):
They called you tomorrow, if they called me tomorrow, be
their coach. Yeah, I turned left on sunset.
Speaker 4 (15:24):
And yeah, yeah we leave here.
Speaker 3 (15:26):
I'm going to the Grand Havana Room at Beverly Hills
with your boss, Mark Silverman to watch the game tonight.
Speaker 4 (15:32):
That's a good Yeah, I mean, you know.
Speaker 3 (15:33):
But all seriously, it's it's we talked about this last time.
You know, the jobs can be some of these jobs
are the expectations are so high, incredible that the magnitude
of the job, you can't feed the beast forever, you know,
and when you build the beast early and coach John did,
(15:54):
he had unbelievable success. And when you can't repeat that,
it's it's really hard. It's just a hard existence. So
you know, my guess would be that basically it was
just you know, time for change was his mind you know,
his mindset. I mean, I read something this morning, but
he's friends with the Tyson Chicken guy.
Speaker 4 (16:14):
I mean, that's all speculation. I mean, it's all speculation.
Speaker 1 (16:17):
But you do that job is you have to give
up chunks of your life.
Speaker 3 (16:21):
There you go, and that's pretty normal in our business.
That basically if you're going to be a college coach.
It's really hard for people outside of our business, for
former players or NBA guys, they can't understand it. Like yesterday,
I had a zoom call, you know, an hour and
a half on a Sunday. Then I had one of
my players over because he's from Spain, and I had
(16:43):
to making birthday dinner because he's sitting there by himself
turning nineteen. Then I've already had a zoom call before
I drove here. You know, like, it's just your normal
is the work all the time as a college coats
and everything else is secondary. That's just like, so those
are the guys as it tend to be successful in
our business. It's just your normal that your life is secondary.
(17:04):
But that job is really different than any other job.
Speaker 4 (17:08):
It really is. I mean, it's just is because of
the fan base and no pro sports.
Speaker 1 (17:13):
You get that southern tribal passion. It was the last
region to get pro sports. Yeah, so college they don't
have it. College is bigger than pro.
Speaker 3 (17:21):
Well, there is no pro in Kentucky. There are no
pro sports in the state of Kentucky now unless you
want to count the Red's Triple A team in Louisville.
Speaker 1 (17:29):
Yeah, so it's the show.
Speaker 4 (17:31):
And has been.
Speaker 3 (17:32):
That's the other thing about Trude, you know, college about tradition.
It has been the only other basketball team in that
state that's ever played besides Kentucky or Louisville. Because the
Kentucky Colonels of the ABA.
Speaker 1 (17:43):
Yeah that was artist Gilmour or something like that. There
was Dan Isselt.
Speaker 3 (17:46):
Yeah, I mean I was young man, I'm old, You're
not that much older than me.
Speaker 1 (17:50):
Great scene again, always a pleasure.
Speaker 4 (17:52):
I appreciate you having.
Speaker 1 (17:53):
Make Silverman pick it up. It's got a big budget.
Speaker 4 (17:55):
That's right in your buying an endless stream.
Speaker 1 (17:58):
Of revenue at Fox. Everybody knows that J Mack with
the News. This is the You're gonna make fun of
me because I know ABA teams.
Speaker 4 (18:11):
I think, how do you know? I was gonna say,
how did you know who played for them?
Speaker 6 (18:14):
Oh?
Speaker 1 (18:14):
Come on, Aba, how old are you sixty? I'm sixty.
Speaker 4 (18:18):
You look like you're mine. I'm fifty two. You do
not look sixty.
Speaker 1 (18:21):
Bro shut up some cliff Bars.
Speaker 3 (18:23):
Should we just scrap the news and Cliff Bars living
in la hips It doesn't hurt.
Speaker 7 (18:27):
Hey, Should we just do seventies sports trivia between you two?
Speaker 4 (18:31):
You want to go get me?
Speaker 1 (18:32):
I can Cincinnati Reads, I can go through the whole
roster in seventy six.
Speaker 4 (18:36):
Well that I can because I grew up in Cimson.
Speaker 1 (18:38):
Backup catcher was Bill Plummer Rawley Eastwick. Sorry to bore everybody.
Speaker 3 (18:42):
The fact that you know the backup catcher is that's strong,
all right?
Speaker 1 (18:46):
Go go hang out with so that is strong or troubling.
Speaker 8 (18:49):
I want to use.
Speaker 1 (18:52):
You see it.
Speaker 7 (18:53):
J Mack take it away, all right, So let's start
in the NFL draft. Caleb williams, uh, we know he's
a lot to go now umber one, but after that TBD.
Some people have Drake May as the number two quarterback
off the board. That's my call. Others, like NFL analyst
Meryl Hodge says, no, not so fast.
Speaker 4 (19:12):
On Drake May.
Speaker 6 (19:14):
Drake May's kind of player gets you fired. Especially you
draft him in the top five, in the top three,
you know he's gonna get you fired. His last game
Vincy State game was the most embarrassing display out or
seen from a guy who's supposed to be an elite
franchise quarterback. People think his athleticism will translate. People want
him to run and they will bust him up. He
(19:37):
is not athletic enough to avoid and he doesn't get
down to learn how to do that. He won't last
till week ten. Man.
Speaker 1 (19:45):
Well, Meryl Hodge is putting it out there.
Speaker 7 (19:46):
Oh of course he is. Yeah, he wants to get
his name out there. Oh right, bank garbage.
Speaker 1 (19:50):
That's why he's saying.
Speaker 7 (19:51):
It's like stop it.
Speaker 1 (19:51):
Come on, by the way, you do know one of
these guys is gonna bust. Why isn't it Drake Man.
Speaker 7 (19:56):
He's throwing a dirt. He doesn't have no clue if
Drake May is gonna be No, he does. Nobody knew
Patrick Mahomes. He's seeing the greatest guy ever at number ten.
Well bad if you see things and Merrill sees things.
And he's called out guys before.
Speaker 1 (20:10):
And he was one of the guys that said you
can't draft Johnny Manziel, you can't draft.
Speaker 7 (20:13):
Him a little different Manzelle went, what twenty something?
Speaker 1 (20:17):
I mean, come on, yeah, I think if you look
at film you can see things that don't work. Meryl
Hodge's record, he's been riding along.
Speaker 7 (20:23):
Just let me know when you're ready to go on
record that you want nothing to do with Drake Bay
and he's gonna be a career backup. Just to let
me know when you're doing that, because we will.
Speaker 1 (20:31):
Chalk it up.
Speaker 7 (20:32):
Wessel pull up for social I mean you'll get your
pants pulled up.
Speaker 1 (20:35):
Man. Can you imagine going to lunch with one of
our exacts they bring out the corporate card.
Speaker 7 (20:41):
I don't get invited to those. Maybe you do. I
don't get invited to them.
Speaker 1 (20:45):
I barely get coffee in the break room. You kidding?
Maybe Mit Cronin just stops mine, gets lunch and everything.
Speaker 7 (20:50):
Yeah, let's get to someone much more famous than you
and I Russell Wilson. His off season program is underway
in Pittsburgh. According to tight end Pat Pryor Mooth, he
and receivers Calvin Austin and Van Jefferson were part of
a joint session with Russ.
Speaker 1 (21:05):
Nice like that was.
Speaker 9 (21:07):
Just down there in San Diego with him working out
and throw rouse. So he's been great talking through talking
to guys and started to build that connection. And uh,
he's a great guy if you can tell, like the
drive and the termination that he has to win and
coming to Pittsburgh and within some playoff games for us
so which is always great to be a part of.
And after he's gonna fit our coat around the locker.
Speaker 1 (21:29):
Room really well.
Speaker 7 (21:34):
Russ is excited to go from Judy and Sutton to
Van Jefferson and Calvin Austin.
Speaker 1 (21:41):
Oh, I know, Russell Wilson in a Steeler jersey is
going to be interesting looking and for seven weeks until
Fields takes it. Oh boy, all right, well that's how
you see it. You also think Drake May is gonna pop.
Speaker 4 (21:55):
Boy, Drake.
Speaker 7 (21:57):
Yes, Drake May will pop Rookie of the Year.
Speaker 1 (21:59):
Lock it up, good Rookie of the year.
Speaker 7 (22:02):
Let me know what the odds are. I'll just go
buy me.
Speaker 1 (22:04):
If it happened, I wouldn't be shocked because when I
first saw him, I thought he looked like Justin Herbert.
That was my first take when I watched him. I'm like,
he do, say Justin Herbert, and Justin Herbert's great.
Speaker 7 (22:14):
Final story is a team I've been trying to tell
you about, Colin the Dallas Mavericks. Luca and Kyrie went
off yesterday, combining for eighty five points as they came
back from twenty two down to beat the Rockets in overtime.
Dallas is climbing. They were a playing team. Now they're fifth,
setting up a third round rematch or a third time
rematch with the LA Clippers. And by the way, I
(22:36):
know you guys might have done it last week and
I was out on spring break. What's going on with
Kawhi Leonard? Because if he ain't there, Luca will tear
these guys up. Well, I think Kyrie will destroy the Clippers.
Speaker 1 (22:46):
We'll bolays known Lucas a machine. But the fact that
Kyrie playing with a guy that's that ball centric is
happy is encouraging because this was a big swing. My
first take when it happened was, oh, I get him
rolling the dice this and then I looked, uh, you know,
Pine in the face because it didn't work.
Speaker 7 (23:03):
They makes the playoffs.
Speaker 1 (23:04):
But now it is what I thought initially it could
have been, which is, oh, they'll be wildly fun limited defensively,
But the truth is now they're playing good defense.
Speaker 7 (23:13):
So if I asked you in the West after the Nuggets,
if somebody besides the Nuggets had to make the finals,
who would you take?
Speaker 1 (23:20):
Lakers? What I know, I like Lakers. They wasn't like
nine to ten or something like that. They're good. They
played tomorrow, they played the Warriors. Watch out.
Speaker 7 (23:29):
Also, I know we're we don't talk about this team,
but the paper clips. This Kawhi Leonard situation hasn't played
in a while. It's a knee. They're not saying much.
The last time they didn't say much. It was like, oh,
Kawhi's got an ACL he's out, Like we don't know
what's going on. They're not getting out of the first round.
By the way, if Kawhi doesn't doesn't play, I don't
know how serious it is, because there'd be I.
Speaker 1 (23:48):
Can't build around Kawhi and Enigma. Dude, you can't. You
can't build around Odd. There's nothing wrong.
Speaker 7 (23:55):
Kyrie Irving two years ago was super odd.
Speaker 1 (23:58):
I mean, he totally well for the COVID changed a
lot of people. Old people that were rational became irrational during.
Speaker 7 (24:06):
Co So I haven't seen a deep dive on it.
But what has changed with Kyrie? Why is he suddenly
locked in and playing well? I don't First of all.
Speaker 1 (24:14):
They're winning. Winning helps. Go on a road trip and
you win four or five, it helps. Secondly, he's getting
his looks. He's getting credit for being part of it.
He doesn't have to be. His defense isn't being called
out because others are picking up the slack. So everything's
kind of working in his favor. He's getting his looks,
his shots, his points. And by the way, Luca gets
all the pressure. If they lose, nobody's blaming Kyrie with
(24:36):
a g Luca takes the hit.
Speaker 7 (24:38):
So remember Jalen Brunson and Luca went to the conference
finals a couple of years ago against the Warriors and
they lost. Jalen Brunson moves on. I don't see why
Kyrie can't be in the Jalen Brunson mold. Hey, man,
we need you to get a bucket. Lucas off, Lucas struggling,
Lucas hurt, Kyrie can take over. I like this, Mapsie.
I don't know how much you want to put on it.
But MAV's in the finals. I think that's certainly in play,
(25:01):
not even a long shot in play.
Speaker 1 (25:03):
J Mack with the news.
Speaker 2 (25:05):
Well that's the news, and thanks for stopping by the
Heard Line News.
Speaker 1 (25:09):
The next total eclipse of the sport athletes that have
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Speaker 1 (26:24):
So I thought, uh, total eclipse of the sport. We
have the uh solar eclipse today? Are you wearing jiju?
I saw, I went and saw it. It was very
fascinating to people. So I'm gonna I'm gonna give you
ten athletes that all of them eclipse the popularity of
their sport. All of the ten did, but in some
(26:45):
level of order of just how big they were. Are
you ready? So number ten, I'll give it to Lance
Armstrong cause we don't watch cycling. He won seven consecutive
Tour de France's, but the ratings jumped forty three percent
when he was on when he came out of retirement.
(27:05):
So this is somebody that literally changed, like Caitlin Clark,
changed the ratings significantly, and since he's left among cycling purists,
it's still a thing but not really discussed. Number nine
would be Usain Bolt. To give you an example of
how big he was. He made thirty million dollars in
endorsements in twenty sixty, just one year. I mean, I
(27:27):
don't know who the fastest person in the world is.
I don't know most of my life who the fastest
person in the world is. Usain Bolt, eight time Olympic
gold medalist. A number eight Sean White. Does anybody understand
basically the X Games exist because of the sport exists
largely on TV. The X Games because of Shawn White.
(27:50):
Every year he competed record ratings very rarely. Can you
say this sport would not get on television without an athlete,
he'd be at Naumber eight. I think seven is Mike Tyson.
What's boxing been since he left? Whether you like him
or not, Tyson is one of the most feared athletes ever.
He was in the movie Hangover. He began his career
(28:13):
with nineteen straight knockouts. And when Mike left, the sport left,
I mean not dipped. It felt like it left. Number
six Caitlin Clark double the rating of the other final
four matchup. So college women have been getting decent numbers
for a while and growing numbers for years. You've had
multiple dynasties Tennessee pat Summit Yukon, but to double triple numbers.
(28:40):
Her first nine games at IOWA were not even televised,
so she's pretty big deal. Number five Tony Hawk. He
made one point four billion in sales for his video games.
That's how big Tony Hawk was. One point four billion dollars.
He'd wrote sixteen times, he was an games ten times,
(29:01):
he was a Golden Menallest sixteen times. But again, a
guy that was able to move merchandise at a level
that is only surpassed by a handful of American athletes
ever one point four billion plus in video game sales.
Tony Hope. Number four Michael Phelps. I couldn't name the
(29:21):
second most popular swimmer of my life, Mark Spitz twenty
three gold medals. He kind of, I'll be honest with you.
He didn't just carry swimming. He carried entire Olympics. Rating flies.
If you go back to the Michael Phelps Olympics, essentially
he was disgusted at about every other sport. He won
gold in Beijing in every event he took place in
(29:43):
and again was literally a guy that carried the Olympics.
Number three Wayne Gretzky not only did the LA Kings
see a massive jump in attendance and ratings, won the
NHL MVP nine times, appeared on the cover of Sports
Illustrated when it mattered a dozen times. I think Wayne Gretzky,
I don't think the sports ever, really it's had. Basically
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there's pre Gretzki, the Gretzki, or a post Gretzki. I
think he carried this sport. Many people believe women's college
basketball will continue to thrive. I don't think hockey's ever
been as big without it. Number two is Tiger Woods.
He changed the image of golf, the athleticism, how we
felt no more than thirteen years. Think about that, j
(30:28):
Mac more than thirteen years as the number one golfer
on the planet. He was so popular just his golf ball,
forget the club, his golf ball. They made one hundred
and three million dollars in profit on the Tiger Woods
golf ball. He drove merchandise for fifteen years. Number one,
(30:53):
I don't think there's anybody close. Michael Jordan. Last year
six billion dollars in brand. So Jordan, there's I mean,
the NBA lost fifty percent of its ratings and had
like ten year great run of TV ratings, lost half
the minuity left, likability, invincibility, nothing like MJ.
Speaker 4 (31:17):
Ever.
Speaker 1 (31:18):
I do feel like MJ and Tiger are kind of
in their own class, and then you have the other
eight who were clearly popular. But when you look at
Tony Hawk, people forget Tony Hawk in skateboarding drove billions
of dollars for a decade and more in revenue one
(31:41):
point four billion just on the video game.
Speaker 7 (31:43):
Were you ever a skateboard guy?
Speaker 4 (31:45):
Yeah, hilly.
Speaker 1 (31:46):
Yeah, we had a long driveway. After you fall a
couple of times and whip up because back then we
didn't have all the I had a skateboard, we didn't
have like knee pads, and so you fall in a cement.
Speaker 7 (31:57):
There weren't even helmets. I don't think when I was
when I did it, I didn't skateboard. Not my bag.
Speaker 1 (32:02):
I did, and I was a no skateboarding for me.
I was a skier and a skateboarder. I wasn't a
great skateboarder. I'm not a great skier.
Speaker 7 (32:10):
You're doing like half pipes or I don't know. No,
I don't have the terminology of kidding guy, but I
would say Sean White the X Games, he carried him.
He was a big deal.
Speaker 1 (32:18):
Yeah, they're actually The X Games is something I don't
watch regularly, but when it's on, it's pretty fun. It's
kind of crazy, but people coord for it. Yeah, what
people can do, you'd you'd be you're a little shorter,
you'd be great at that stuff.
Speaker 7 (32:30):
I actually played soccer Sunday for the first time in
I got a soccer tournament coming up adults. Two goals
and an assist, No big deal.
Speaker 1 (32:38):
That's what I do. Weren't you playing in the over
sixty league though.
Speaker 7 (32:42):
There were some older guys there, But uh, I just
like cardio and competing.
Speaker 1 (32:48):
I like to lift throw weights around.
Speaker 4 (32:49):
That's me.
Speaker 1 (32:50):
I'm different. Okay, So I got Yukon tonight, a nine
points close game. They lead by two at half, wear
them down. Going on. Zach Edy is effective but not
as dominant, and uh, Yukon size over the course of
a game wears down.
Speaker 7 (33:08):
Now go u com by twelve plus. You know, they've
won eleven straight tournament games by double digits. Like they're
last sixteen games fourteen or two against the spread. They're
just killing people. I don't know, man, this team's a juggernaut.
Like they're almost undervalued in terms of like what people
think about it.
Speaker 1 (33:25):
They are. Like, it's funny. A lot of great teams,
the Kansas City Chiefs with mahomes have never been a
great double digit favorite. You don't cover. And then you
get these teams where people keep doubt. I've been watching
people on the internet for a month doubt Ukon. Yeah, folks,
two years in a row. They're beating everybody by twenty
three points.
Speaker 7 (33:44):
Remember what I doubted them? When you said, in there,
your bracket you caught. I was like Auburn, keep an
eye on Auburn.
Speaker 1 (33:49):
Shock. I like chalk. They're chalky. All right, See you tomorrow.
Speaker 4 (33:55):
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In 1997, actress Kristin Davis’ life was forever changed when she took on the role of Charlotte York in Sex and the City. As we watched Carrie, Samantha, Miranda and Charlotte navigate relationships in NYC, the show helped push once unacceptable conversation topics out of the shadows and altered the narrative around women and sex. We all saw ourselves in them as they searched for fulfillment in life, sex and friendships. Now, Kristin Davis wants to connect with you, the fans, and share untold stories and all the behind the scenes. Together, with Kristin and special guests, what will begin with Sex and the City will evolve into talks about themes that are still so relevant today. "Are you a Charlotte?" is much more than just rewatching this beloved show, it brings the past and the present together as we talk with heart, humor and of course some optimism.
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