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April 9, 2024 • 32 mins

Colin talks to 2-time Super Bowl champion Logan Ryan about his decision to retire and what it was like to play for the legendary head coach Bill Belichick

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:21):
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Speaker 3 (00:24):
Well.

Speaker 1 (00:24):
He appeared in six conference championship games, two Super Bowls,
both with the Patriots, two time Super Bowl champ, eleven
years in the NFL. He's always been a friend to
our show and we have encouraged him forever to get
into broadcasting. Logan, Ryan who last year when Hufunga got
hurt for the Niners, came over and played for San Francisco.
So you are making an announcement you did on Instagram

(00:47):
and your announcement, Logan is.

Speaker 4 (00:50):
Today I'm officially retiring from the NFL. Hanging the cleats up. Yeah,
but I feel like it's the time. Eleven years, great, great,
great career. But you know, I look at it in
a way as a father and a husband, like my
goal is to win championships and I was able to
do that.

Speaker 5 (01:07):
My goal is to.

Speaker 4 (01:09):
Financially, secure my money, save my money so I can
live with it for the rest of my life, which
I was able to do so the last couple of seasons,
I was in a position where I didn't necessarily need
the money in order to pay the bills or so.
I was in in a position that very few people
get to in life, and I was grateful for that.
So now I'm negotiating things and looking at things like

(01:29):
what's best for my kids, what's.

Speaker 5 (01:30):
Best for this, what's best for that?

Speaker 4 (01:32):
And obviously last year playing for San fran was best
for me, but I think at this point it's best
with walking away healthy physically, emotionally and mentally, my head
on straight and ready to be, you know, a father
at my kids' games, and ready to maybe do some TV,
do some broadcasting there, but make that schedule work in
my life, and really spend some time with my kids,
who I've sacrificed all this time to build a great family,

(01:54):
build a great house, build a great career for them.

Speaker 5 (01:57):
But now it's time to spend more time with them.

Speaker 1 (01:59):
So let's have some fun. The best defensive player you were,
you ever played against with, the best defensive player you
ever saw and why.

Speaker 5 (02:13):
Okay, we we were talking about this a little earlier.

Speaker 4 (02:15):
I definitely think Ed Reid is the best defensive player
my young when I came in the league and Ed
Reid was Ed Reed at Baltimore, I think Ed Reid
is the best defensive player to play football.

Speaker 5 (02:25):
It is so hard.

Speaker 4 (02:25):
I know we're gonna talk about the past rushers and
Lawrence Taylor and Reggie White and all these guys that
get Defensive Player of the Year every time, right, but
it is so hard in that secondary position to to
find those angles to dictate the game as Ed Reid
did and score as many points as he did. His size,
his speed, his ability to be in the quarterbacks, has
his physical ability. Obviously with him and ray Lewis, I mean,
they brought a championship to Baltimore. But I think Ed Reid,

(02:49):
if you really look at his numbers and what he did,
especially in my you know, in my generation of football,
is the best defensive player I've ever seen.

Speaker 1 (02:57):
So Bill Belichick is largely viewed. Tom Brady told a
friend of mine this that he he views Bill as
almost a different level of defensive coach. The league is
obviously pivoted to offense, which makes it more difficult for
all defensive coaches. Tomblin, Pete, Carroll, Belichick. But if if,
if you were, if I was saying to you, give
me the two things keep taleb had some interesting thoughts

(03:20):
on this, and then we're so interesting. The two things
about Belichick that separated him from even the other great
coaches you had.

Speaker 4 (03:29):
I think that would be the accountability across the board.
Ass Well documented his ability to treat Brady as much
as he treated to long snapper, his ability to coach
a long snapper, as his ability to coach the quarterback
like he could he could watch a play in live time,
swing his whistle at practice, blow his whistle, correct me
at left corner, correct the left guard, and correct Dante
Hi Tower at the linebacker, all in live time like

(03:52):
that is a savant. That is a genius and know
all those positions and and say, oh yeah, go watch
ty law did I coached corners you know and whatever
years ago? Go watch how he did? I want your
hand to be here? And he can tell the center
what to do. So he knew every position on the
field and how to coach. He's a great teacher and
he's a great historian. Of the game, and the next
thing would be his ability to take complicated schemes and

(04:16):
simplify them for everyone to learn. He took very common
sense things that I would think. We're gonna double DeAndre
Hopkins every single play, and we're gonna take him out
the game. I don't care if you're Darrel Revis. I
don't care if you're a keep to leave you're getting doubled,
or we'll put Durell on number two and logan you're
doubling him every play.

Speaker 5 (04:33):
I don't care about your ego. I don't care how
bad you want to take him.

Speaker 4 (04:36):
We're gonna double him, and you were mccordy gonna have
him high low in these situations and inside outside on
these situations because if we take him out of the game,
not only does that help us win, but it takes
their flow out of their offense. It takes fourteen targets.
Now the quarterback doesn't know where to go fourteen times
with the ball. Now, it takes their explosive, it takes
their third down, top third down threat, it takes their
top red error threat. And I believe in my four

(04:57):
years in the wing, we got a fact check. I
don't think we allowed one hundred yard receiver and we
won a lot of games. So I sometimes play on
teams where I'm like, why are we not taking this
guy away?

Speaker 3 (05:07):
More?

Speaker 4 (05:07):
Do we just think our guys better than their guy
might be? But why are we leaving up to that?
Why don't we assure that we take him out the
game because it's going to disrupt the flow for that offense,
and offense is all about flow and timing and chemistry.
Why not pick him up full court like they're trying
to put Caton Clark up full court?

Speaker 6 (05:23):
Right?

Speaker 5 (05:23):
Why not disrupt the timing?

Speaker 1 (05:25):
So you had Kyle Shanahan this year, albeit briefly, is
the culture because that's a physical culture and is an
offensive coach?

Speaker 5 (05:32):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (05:32):
What was the difference between a New England culture with
a great defensive coach and San Francisco with a kind
of a legendary offensive coach.

Speaker 5 (05:40):
I think they're very similar.

Speaker 4 (05:41):
I think Kyle reminds me of Bill the most of
any other coach, And I played with Rabel as well,
and Rabel.

Speaker 5 (05:45):
Did a lot of things like Bill.

Speaker 4 (05:46):
But I think Kyle's ability to make the offense as
complicated as as many play as they have simple for
these guys to get the playmakers of ball in space.
And really the key to San Francisco is like, I'm
going to scheme up ways to get all these guys
that we drafted space with the ball, and I teach
him to be physical runners. No one in San Francisco

(06:07):
ever runs out of bounds. You never seen him run
out of bounds. They always cut back. You have to
hit them to run out of bounds. They finish runs.
They get so much hitting yardage, extra two yards, extra yards.
Kyle says, I treat second down like third down, because
if you get a first down on second down, that
is a third down. I don't want third and one.
Finish the run going forward, right. So his physicality of

(06:27):
approach is what Bill was doing for our team. Patriots
teams were physical teams. The forty nine ers a physical team.
He's doing it with the runners of the football, and
I think he does that very simply for all these
guys to highlight their strengths. Another thing both coaches do well.
They take their players, they draft them, and they use
their strengths generally pretty well. They don't say, oh, Deebo's
not a traditional X receiver. He's not gonna work here.

(06:48):
They're gonna work the offense to work for Debo. They're
gonna work the offense to work with Darwon Dreenings. And also,
if you're a young player, watched how those receivers block,
which is why I think Ayuke's wear for all the
money because he's a great route runner. He's great before
the catch, out of catch, But go watch some block
seven yards downfl.

Speaker 5 (07:03):
I don't see other receivers doing that.

Speaker 1 (07:04):
Hey, by the way, Brandon Ayuk, you guys make fun
of me when I say top five receiver. You may
not be justin Jefferson over the top. That kid is
a and he fits their culture. So go back to
the Super Bowl. I said, you know, years ago, Logan
Ryan for our radio audience joining us. He's retiring officially
today and will be pivoting to broadcasting. Love to see

(07:24):
him here at Fox. Is that years ago? I was
watching Michael Jordan in the finals against the Suns, and
I was sitting with a friend who was a college
basketball player, and I said, he didn't have the best shot.
He did have a ton of range. He's not the
greatest ball handler, You're not the strongest guy. And I'm like,
it's so easy for him. There's a million six six

(07:45):
guys in the world. What and when I watched Mahomes,
a lot of it's cognitive, the ability to see something
and get the ball there. But when you are against
him in the Super Bowl? Are there mannerism, mannerisms, idiosyncratic things.
Are there things that you look at and just think
that's different? What is the it beyond tremendous arm talent? Yeah,

(08:06):
very creative, so is Matt Stafford. But when you defend him,
are there things that you're like you tell your grandkids
like it was different.

Speaker 4 (08:16):
Yeah, he's got this this willingness to.

Speaker 5 (08:20):
Not give up on any play.

Speaker 4 (08:22):
Like he's not obviously the most mobile quarterback in the league,
but he might run for the most first downs, like
he just finds a way to get the first down
to He fights for every play right and and they
have great scheme. Andy Reid does a great job adjusting
all game.

Speaker 5 (08:37):
That helps. But he's obviously an accurate pastor when you
give him time. He has a huge arm. When you
give them time.

Speaker 4 (08:42):
When you don't give them time, he ends up extending plays.
And it's just a marathon with him every single snap,
and it's gonna usually come down to the end. Most
of his games have come down to the end, and
he's obviously very confident in the end there. So I
just think it's just his abilious it's it's the ability.

Speaker 5 (08:57):
To never be out.

Speaker 4 (08:58):
And that's a Tom Brady effect of like no lead
is kind of safe because.

Speaker 5 (09:03):
These guys are never out of it. They believe so
much on winning.

Speaker 4 (09:06):
Those guys just believe that they're gonna win, that they
find a way to continue to put themselves in this
position no matter how it goes, to kind of find
a way to close it out. I think that Super
Bowl went down obviously, you know, to the wire there
and five quarters of football, tight football, and it came
down to a few plays at the end.

Speaker 2 (09:21):
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Speaker 1 (09:26):
So Caleb Williams, the comp has been Mahomes And one
of the things with Patrick that was really noticeable to
me when Tyreek Hill left is that he's taking now
layups and going back to Jordan. I've said, you know,
everybody loves Jordan and the tongues out in the switching hands.
Twenty six of his twenty nine points. Twenty six of

(09:48):
his thirty two points were on mid range jumpers. Yeah, Michael,
you gave him the jumper, he took it. Mahomes, Now
what makes him more lethal is that you get the
occasional upside. But he'll be death by thousand cuts and
he's totally satisfied. As Caleb Williams comes into the league,
he got Andy Reid to get him out of that.

(10:09):
Caleb's got a defensive coach. Would you worry about a
wildly gifted quarterback who can lean into the spectacular? Can
you coach some of that out of them?

Speaker 5 (10:21):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (10:21):
I that's that's always the hard thing is like the
things that make them special.

Speaker 5 (10:26):
He's got to have an ability to play in the.

Speaker 4 (10:28):
System and then and then go be Kayleb Williams, And
you can't you can't overthink that. And I think Mahomes
from day one came in like I'm playing like Mahomes.

Speaker 5 (10:36):
And throwing these moon balls. I'm putting them up there.

Speaker 4 (10:38):
When they had Tyreek, it was a different offense, right,
And now I think Patrick's gotten better over the years
and adjusted guys have put a too high shell on him.

Speaker 5 (10:46):
You're not going to throw it over our head.

Speaker 4 (10:47):
Now he's got to take it, and I think he's
gotten better at that.

Speaker 5 (10:50):
Mahomes taking what the defense gives him.

Speaker 4 (10:52):
Uh, Kayler Williams is gonna have to take what the
defense gives and I think that's why they brought a
Keenan Allen in to uh to give him the intermedia,
give them that third down guy to just take what
it gives you if they're to running zones here. But yeah,
we're gonna need you to do some of that spectaclically.
You might have the best online play, we might not
have the best team around you in the league, but
you know, we might be developing a new scheme for

(11:12):
you here, So you're gonna need the magnificent. But yeah,
you're gonna need your bread and butter. I think Keenan
Allen's at audition for him.

Speaker 1 (11:18):
Tight ends you faced wide receivers. Keenan Allen think gets
a great way to put it. He's the classic third
down receiver, not the fastest guy, the twitchiest. Were there
players in your career A tight end a receiver that
that you just you just you watch them on film
and the audience, the fans that be media didn't appreciate them,

(11:42):
but you hated facing them.

Speaker 5 (11:44):
Yeah, I mean for me, I always document that.

Speaker 4 (11:46):
That's I mean, I just don't think people understand how
great Larry Fitzgerald is. It's always Larry Fitzgerald for me,
because I'm a guy that's really smart. And if I'm
not gonna out athletes you, I'm not gonna out athlete
a lot of receivers. I'm gonna smart you because my
thing is I gotta figure out where the ball is
going and I got to beat you to that spot.
So I don't care what route you run on air.

(12:06):
I don't care what route you running one on ones,
I don't care what we're out your running flag football.
When it's three by one and you're at this spot,
you only have you only have three routes, and I
seen them on tape. That's just what your scheme is.
That's the amount of plays you have in your playbook.
So I'm gonna play those three routes. So you give
me something else, and I'm gonna play it every different
way to give you different looks, and I'm gonna play
Larry Fitzgerald does that on the offensive side. He runs

(12:28):
a route, runs a route, lets you cover it, and
on third down he runs the same route and sets
you up.

Speaker 5 (12:32):
He blocks you every single play.

Speaker 4 (12:33):
He runs all his routes out of a tight split,
which is hard for corners run coomfortable. Some guys are
uncomfortable in the slot. Brings you kind of in the
slot and he blocks you.

Speaker 5 (12:43):
He blocks you.

Speaker 4 (12:43):
Now he's coming to block you, and he swims you
because he blocks every play like I saw my eye you.
These receivers that compete every play, I don't know when
they're taking a playoff. I don't know when it's running
pass because they're coming off hard every game, so they
kind of mentally wear you out. And when any receiver
I don't know if will ever happen again, has more
career tackles than drops, which I don't think.

Speaker 5 (13:03):
That's probably the greatest statup ever heard.

Speaker 4 (13:06):
Right, that shows you the consistency even when you cover him,
he's still going to catch the ball if as near him.
Larry Fitzger has more career tackles on interceptions for his
team then drops.

Speaker 1 (13:16):
That's crazy.

Speaker 5 (13:18):
Yeah, so I.

Speaker 1 (13:19):
Don't even I didn't know if Google even. It's remarkable.
So now you're going now after this today, tell the
audience where you're going, because I think the NFL does
this and it's really cool.

Speaker 3 (13:30):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (13:30):
So the NFL is hosting a broadcast boot camp out
here in LA and they identify some of the guys
that you know, they think will be good on TV
after or would want to be maybe be on TV,
and you might you get an imitation. You have to
apply if you want to first of all, and then
you have to be accepted. So it's only a handful
of guys, and they give you training with the top

(13:52):
people behind the scenes, the top producers, the top speech coaches.
You know, your job's not easy. You know what you do.
If you people probably think it can hop in your
seat and just talk sports, but there actually is something
behind it, right, and you have a speech therapist and
you stop saying and uh what you never even thought
you said?

Speaker 3 (14:08):
Right?

Speaker 5 (14:08):
Do you watch yourself back?

Speaker 4 (14:10):
So you kind of go through all this coaching right
to get you ready to broadcast a game, to be
an analyst, to do the difference between radio. When you're
on radio, you can't say did you see that play
right there? No, they didn't see it right. You had
to explain that. When you're on TV. It's different right,
So they kind of teach you these things and it'll
give you an audition and stuff, and just kind of
coach up the next crop of talent coming out that

(14:31):
might you know that you might see calling a game
or maybe where they help, you know, they find them
Accordy Twins right to help right the TV and do
so well, or Greg Olsen right who ops right the
TV and does amazing Romo who changes some of the
landscaping of calling, so that takes practice. The guys can't
just hop in these analysts job and just do it
off the whim. Even though we've played, we still need,
you know, some coaching in your world. So it's kind

(14:51):
of stepping in your world.

Speaker 1 (14:52):
You remind me a lot of Greg Olson that about
three to four years before he was going to retire,
he had an interest and he dabbled. He was still
a football, yeah, but dabbled. But I think one of
greg straints, and I think it's one of yours, is
the ability to watch something that's complicated and simplify it.
So what you see Belichick doing is what a great
player does as a broadcaster. It takes the complicated and

(15:14):
makes it simple. Because I mean most of us. I
mean I quarterback in high school, so I could diagram
a play. We have a very simple offense. I'm a
very simple guy. But by and large, most fans, if
they didn't play football, couldn't even diagrama play. So you
can get lost in the weeds very quickly. But I
think Greg and you do a good job of taking this.
There's a lot of layers to stuff.

Speaker 5 (15:33):
Yeah, I mean, football is a sport. I say all
the time.

Speaker 4 (15:36):
It's the least taught sport in our country. It's just
I can go to the YMCA with some of my
boys around a pick and roll in the court. If
I told some my boys run an NFL football player,
they have no idea what I'm talking about, right, because
I know most people don't play after high school, That's right.
Some don't even play in high school. And then there's
nowhere to play football. Once you're done playing football high school,
you don't go to the park with your boys, get
on some paths and go tackle each other.

Speaker 5 (15:56):
It's just nothing you practice ever again, So you forget it.
You lose it, you know it.

Speaker 4 (16:00):
And NFL is so complicated with the play calling and
the coverages. And I talk about some things. My wife
looks at me like, huh, what are you talking about?
So I have to simplify things to people, so, you know,
for them to get it. Not that they don't know,
it's just that they haven't been taught it. And I've
been living in it for so long. So how can
we simplify the game for people. I always have an

(16:20):
example of the people ask me what the difference of playing.

Speaker 5 (16:25):
Corner and Nicholas? And I say, okay, because.

Speaker 4 (16:27):
I've been corner and nickel, I've been third down, I
was a nickel and the first time out at corner?

Speaker 5 (16:31):
What is that like, Colin, what is the difference of that?

Speaker 4 (16:34):
And I say, that's like a corner is a shortstop
the best athlete, you know, he's a born shortstop.

Speaker 5 (16:41):
A nickel's a second baseman other side of the base.

Speaker 4 (16:43):
I don't see too many shortstops go to second base,
but some do, right they get older, they go to
second base. Whatever they understand how to work together. Then
I move to free safety. What's free safety like for you, Logan?
Because some corners go to free safety, that's like going
to center field. That is a completely different position. Your
eyes are different. The batters out there you got to
track things from way different. I'm looking at the quarterback

(17:03):
in the whole formation as opposed that corner. I'm looking
at one little small thing on a guy. So my
vision every play is very different. When I explained to
my wife, who was a college softball player, she understood
what I was doing. When I say I'm switching positions.
That's not as easy as going to nickel. It's a
completely different thing. These kids have played their whole life,
and that's why they're great safeties. But I don't see
a lot of safties going to play press corner the
next year. They can't do both, you know, So that's

(17:23):
why it's It was kind of cool playing all those
positions and trying to attack them by I respect for
all three of those positions. They're all very different positions.

Speaker 1 (17:30):
Logan Ryan making us smarter. You'll hear more from him.
Great seniors, Ollas.

Speaker 5 (17:33):
Man, I appreciate it. Thanks for having me.

Speaker 1 (17:35):
Good luck today. J Mack with the news, No, no
turn on the news.

Speaker 2 (17:39):
This is the herd Line News.

Speaker 7 (17:42):
Let's start with the NFL Atlanta Falcons.

Speaker 3 (17:44):
A lot of hype for them this off season after
landing Kirk Cousins, in free agency. Well, Kirk was recently
on Shack's podcast, I Guess Everybody has a podcast and
vowed to give his full effort to bring a Lombardi
Trophy to the Dirty South, to.

Speaker 8 (18:00):
Be committed to doing everything I can to help us
win a world championship.

Speaker 2 (18:05):
I want this to be my final stop.

Speaker 3 (18:07):
You know.

Speaker 8 (18:07):
I don't want to do the deal, no offense, but
I don't want to go play for the Suns and
the Celtics at the end. I want to finish with
the heat if you will, and be done, you know.
So I want to finish strong. People remember how you
finish more than how you started. So the start was good.
I want to finish really strong here in Atlanta.

Speaker 1 (18:22):
And I think you will. Well, you're kind of looking
at that.

Speaker 7 (18:28):
No, no, no, hold on hold.

Speaker 3 (18:28):
Only the thing was, can you win a super Bowl
in Atlanta? Was Kirk cousins.

Speaker 1 (18:32):
I think you can win a bunch of games, so
a super Bowl? No, Well, I don't think the Cowboys
can win a super Bowl, and I think Dak can
win a bunch of games. And we seem to think
that's worth sixty million dollars for Dak, and Dak to
me is Kirk Cousins. You can win a lot of games,
you can win a division. I don't see you really
off four straight playoff wins. But I think Kirk Cousins
had an incredibly redeemable career, and so was Dak.

Speaker 7 (18:54):
This is why we needed Rock Party to beat Patrick
Mahons in the super Bowl.

Speaker 3 (18:57):
So you could just end this and be like a
Brock Party can win a super Bowl. Sure, Kr Cousins can't.
Sure Dak Prescott.

Speaker 7 (19:03):
Camp, but because Purdy had to settle for a field goal.

Speaker 3 (19:06):
And he also like a game of literally three plays
mattered in that too.

Speaker 1 (19:11):
You know well and Mahomes makes those.

Speaker 7 (19:13):
Well, the punt was a big one.

Speaker 5 (19:15):
I mean, forty nine ers were dominating that game.

Speaker 1 (19:18):
You're just not gonna let that go.

Speaker 7 (19:20):
I'm still pissed about it.

Speaker 3 (19:22):
Yeah, Kirk Cousins will not win a super Bowl, and
then let him He'll win, He'll and you go to
a conference championship game.

Speaker 5 (19:27):
I'm not wouldn't be shocked.

Speaker 1 (19:28):
I like Atlanta's players. I think they just need they
need a pass rusher, a pass rusher and maybe another
corner and Atlanta could be an eleven win team.

Speaker 3 (19:36):
I think I think they need a little more than
a pass rusher.

Speaker 7 (19:39):
But all right, let's move on.

Speaker 3 (19:41):
Still in the NFL, who cut in a coupa coming
off an electric rookie campaign set a record with one
hundred and five catches, fourteen eighty six yards and six touchdowns.

Speaker 7 (19:51):
His big season earned him.

Speaker 3 (19:53):
A Pro Bowl nod, and Aaron Donald believes the sky's
the limit for the second year receiver.

Speaker 6 (19:58):
Please see young as that play and you know they
fall off a little bit. But like for him to
had a you know, stay as poised as he did
through the whole season as far as like he became
a like kind of a household name as a rookie,
and you know, he didn't change. He stayed the same person.
He kept doing the same things every single week.

Speaker 2 (20:14):
Bro.

Speaker 6 (20:14):
And it's like if he's if he stayed like that
and he stay hungry and he keep and if he
wanted to be great, In my opinion, I think he
can do some some things that never been done in
this league.

Speaker 1 (20:28):
Yeah, he is the you know, let's George Kettle was
a fifth rounder. Puka Nikup is a fifth rounder. Like
it happens, like it more than you think. Brady he's
a sixth rounder. Joe Montana third rounder. This you know,
this is one of the great things about the NFL
is every year there's a fourth, fifth, sixth rounder. You
look up and you're like, oh, that's going to be
a pro bowler. They're not paying I mean, Brock Pretty
and Poka na Coup You're not even paying them for

(20:50):
like four years. And he is the whole league run
zone now, So you don't have to be the burner
to get open. If you know routes, if you're creative,
if you break tackles and Puka is I mean, I
remember his first big game. I'm like, you can't sustain this.
I mean, I keep waiting for it not to work,
and then he'll have another eight seven catch game.

Speaker 3 (21:12):
Who had a better rookie season, Pooker, Nakua or me
on this show my rookie year.

Speaker 1 (21:16):
Puka for sure he has a higher season.

Speaker 3 (21:21):
Love, I've just set you up with softball digs, all right.
Final story is the NBA. The Timberwolves have gone to
eleven and five, recently keeping pace with the Nuggets for
first in the West since the Carl Anthony Towns injury.
Now we thought it was over season done, but with
four games left Minnesota. Seems to think Carl Anthony Towns
could return to action before.

Speaker 7 (21:42):
The season ends. He's participating in team scrimmages.

Speaker 1 (21:46):
What's a big deal.

Speaker 7 (21:47):
They're optimistic. This is a big one.

Speaker 1 (21:48):
Oh no, No, it's without Carl Anthony Towns. They cannot
beat Denver or the Lakers. With Carl Anthony Towns, there
are a much tougher matchup. So I think I think
that the series that would be fasten is Lakers Tea Wolves,
all sorts of size. That's the series I'd love to watch.

Speaker 3 (22:06):
Timberwolves have some length. You know, McDaniel, they got some
guys who could give the h give the Lakers problems.
I can tell you the t Wolves do not want
to play the Lakers. They got no interest inside the building.

Speaker 7 (22:17):
More susceptible. Timberwolves are okay.

Speaker 1 (22:19):
See, okay see, because okay see is a bunch of kids.
They're fun to watch, great franchise, but they got a
bunch of kids.

Speaker 3 (22:26):
Saw a stat that they don't have any playoff experience
outside of like two guys at the end of their bench.

Speaker 1 (22:31):
You're an OKC fan, it's like you're gonna be great
for the next eight years. But you're you're, you're a
year away. I think they're much better prepared than Sacramento.
You guys all bought into light the Beam and might
takeaway is that there's a low ceiling there. I think
Oka ce ceiling much higher than Sacramento's last year. But
the average age is twenty two and a half. That's
how North Carolina was.

Speaker 3 (22:52):
Can we fall in love with these Johnny cum Lately teams?
Come on, man, last year members.

Speaker 7 (22:56):
Oh Memphis is gonna be around forever?

Speaker 1 (22:58):
No, no, no, I didn't buy into Memphis their star player.
I didn't. I thought had like maturity issues. I don't
feel that with Okac at all. I think SGA and
Hongun are.

Speaker 7 (23:09):
Great, great for eight years? Or are they going to
be Portland good with Dave and CJ.

Speaker 1 (23:14):
No, no, no, They're going to be better than that.
They have too much draft capital. No, okay, c is
gonna be good for a but over under half they will.

Speaker 7 (23:26):
Or they make the NBA Finals in the next seven years.

Speaker 1 (23:28):
Yes, okay, and they'll make multiple multiple Western Conference championships.

Speaker 7 (23:34):
Settled down, what.

Speaker 1 (23:37):
I think I think Okay See is the team of
the future. I think Denver's the team of now, what.

Speaker 3 (23:41):
About the Dallas Mavericks. Luka, Doncic is breathing? My friend,
what you seriously think You.

Speaker 1 (23:47):
Don't think that, you don't think that's combustible, Kyrie and
Luca isn't combs Okay, c is not combustible at all.
That they're just gonna keep winning for eight years all
their draft capital. Yeah, okay and okay, See, winning.

Speaker 7 (24:00):
Is different from making the finals. You know what hard
it is to make.

Speaker 1 (24:04):
I'm not gonna promise anybody a finals. I'm just telling you, Okay,
if there, if everybody's a stock, okase is eventually one
hundred dollars stock. That's probably about thirty eight to forty
eight dollars now. Next year at this time, it'll be
a sixty eight to seventy five dollars stock.

Speaker 2 (24:19):
They're just way too young.

Speaker 1 (24:21):
But by next year, if they can win a playoff series,
go to another grueling series, that's all you need. They
just they're babies. They gotta grow up, but they're gonna
be great for years to come. GM Infrastructure stars are
good dudes. I think we maturity.

Speaker 3 (24:36):
We stilly agree here, but I'll be I don't think
they're making the NBA finals here with this an eight
year seven years they need to add.

Speaker 7 (24:43):
I don't think they have enough. Do you know how
hard it is to make the finals?

Speaker 3 (24:46):
So yo get took like three or four years to
break through with that court, right. The Clippers haven't gone anywhere.
We don't trust them. The Suns are still gonna be
formidable this year next. I don't think the Lakers are
going anywhere.

Speaker 1 (24:58):
You know.

Speaker 7 (24:58):
I love the Mavericks, I would say that.

Speaker 1 (25:00):
I would say the Sons and the Clippers are more
combustible than your acknowledging.

Speaker 3 (25:04):
Maybe too out of a take for you. I would
take Anthony Edwards over anybody on OKAC.

Speaker 5 (25:08):
Sorry, I think, Oh, I don't think that's crazy. I
think he's great.

Speaker 3 (25:12):
I think Anthony Edwards probably is more likely to get
to the finals than SGA and Jeff.

Speaker 1 (25:17):
I don't know about that, but I think taking Anthony
Edwards over everybody in OKAC is not a hot hurt people.

Speaker 7 (25:22):
For three months gas an MVP candidate.

Speaker 3 (25:25):
No.

Speaker 1 (25:25):
Aunt Edwards is a more dynamic kind of vertical player.

Speaker 3 (25:30):
Qualentin Towns goes down and puts that franchise on his
back and they're contending for there.

Speaker 1 (25:35):
Trying to get me to hate him. He's a great player.

Speaker 3 (25:36):
No, I'm trying to get you to knock down. Okay,
see a peg and you just refuse to do it.

Speaker 7 (25:39):
I'm still salty. They traded James Harden, but did he
ever still there?

Speaker 9 (25:44):
No?

Speaker 7 (25:44):
He ruined an awesome thing ka Russ and Harden. They
cook Colin ruined.

Speaker 1 (25:50):
They got to the finals with.

Speaker 7 (25:52):
The and then they traded teams Harden.

Speaker 1 (25:55):
But by the way, dumbest moves. How Westbrook and Harden
done in the playoffs? Since then? What what's Kd's playoff
career outside of being connected to steph. You make it
sound like KC was Jordan Pippen and Phil Jackson. No,
it wasn't. It was bound to blow up. It didn't
matter who it was. That was never gonna last. Hardens

(26:15):
a quirky personality, Russ harder to play with.

Speaker 7 (26:19):
Three MVPs on our team, right, became.

Speaker 1 (26:21):
A very unique personalities that this is not Pippin, Jordan,
Phil Jackson, That's not what this is. You got the
wander KD. You got hyper athletic, but difficult to play
with Westbrook, we got the quirky Harden. That thing was
not built to last. It was just built to be
fascinating and it was briefly.

Speaker 7 (26:44):
And oh my gosh.

Speaker 2 (26:47):
Well that's the news and thanks for stopping by The
Herd Line news.

Speaker 1 (26:52):
Duke kon this morning, this afternoon, who's the better program?
It's the Hurt.

Speaker 2 (26:57):
Be sure to catch live editions of The Herd we
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Radio FS one and the iHeartRadio app.

Speaker 9 (27:06):
Hey, we're Covino and Rich Fox Sports Radio every day
five to seven pm Eastern.

Speaker 5 (27:11):
But here's the thing.

Speaker 9 (27:12):
We never have enough time to get to everything we
want to get.

Speaker 10 (27:15):
To, and that's why we have a brand new podcast
called over Promised. You see, we're having so much fun
in our two hour show. We never get to everything, honestly,
because this guy is over promising things we never have
time for.

Speaker 5 (27:28):
Yeah, you blubber list name in me.

Speaker 9 (27:29):
Well you know what it's called over promise. You should
be good at it because you've been over promising women
for years.

Speaker 10 (27:34):
Well, it's a Cavino and Rich after show, and we
want you to be a part of it. We're gonna
be talking sports, of course, but we're also gonna talk
life and relationships and if Rich and I are arguing
about something or we didn't have enough time. It will
continue on our after show called over Promised.

Speaker 9 (27:48):
Well, if you don't get enough Covino and Rich, make
sure you check out over Promised and also Uncensored by
the way, so maybe we'll go at it even.

Speaker 5 (27:54):
A little harder.

Speaker 9 (27:55):
It's gonna be the best after show podcast.

Speaker 5 (27:57):
Of all time.

Speaker 10 (27:58):
There you go, over Promising. I remember you could see
it on YouTube, but definitely join us. Listen Over Promised
with Cadino and Rich on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts
or wherever you get your podcasts.

Speaker 1 (28:09):
I don't wanna. Uh, it's kind of a facial. I
feel really bad. J Mack has been offering me a minute.
He's been offering me tickets to the Lakers and the Warriors,
and I said, just let me see if I can
get better seats. Oh and so I just got Yeah,
I just got better seats. So listen the IP room
up next to the court.

Speaker 3 (28:30):
Okay, flex all you want, big guy, go off king
as they say, No, my buddy has season tickets, great
seats for regular people like us. You earn a different tratefy,
I've been to sporting events with you.

Speaker 1 (28:41):
Whatever.

Speaker 7 (28:41):
They let's not talk about and okay, fine, we won't.

Speaker 1 (28:44):
So I am going to UFC three hundred Saturday with.

Speaker 7 (28:46):
Anne Anne or with Jamal Murray.

Speaker 1 (28:49):
I'm going with Anne and my friend and his son,
oh and Vegas, and then I'm going to go to
a Laker game tonight.

Speaker 7 (28:54):
She's just living the dream.

Speaker 2 (28:56):
Cowherd. Huh.

Speaker 1 (28:56):
Well, I've been, you know, end of the NBA season.
I wanted to see the Selltics live. I wanted to
see the Knicks. Now I'm going to see the Lakers Warriors.
And it's not that your seats were not fine, guy,
So we were. I was saying after last night when
Yukon won the title, I felt like, last twenty five years,
it was like their sixth title. And I felt like,

(29:18):
as I was saying it, they're better than Duke. Now
they have surpassed Duke as the men's college program the
last twenty five years in America. Quarter century. That's a
reasonable timetable. So here's what's happened. Let's put it up
on the screen, radio audience.

Speaker 5 (29:33):
I'll read this to you.

Speaker 1 (29:35):
So since nineteen ninety five, so that's just basically thirty years,
who's better. So tournament appearances, Duke twenty seven, Yukon twenty titles,
Duke three, Yukon six final fours. Connecticut won more conference
titles Duke thirteen, Yukon eight. Head to head wins they've

(29:56):
played six times, Yukon four, Duke two. NBA draft picks
heavily leans Duke, but I would take the Husky side
over the Blue Devils. I'm gonna take double the titles,
better head to head wins about you know, final four appearances.
I got more final fours, more titles, more head to

(30:16):
head I don't give a rip about NBA guys. I'm
a college coach. I don't give I don't care to me.
Yukon has surpassed due Duke's more consistent. But the difference
is when when the Yukon Husky's getting to the Sweet sixteen, baby,
it's over.

Speaker 3 (30:32):
Yukon's built a culture, right Their culture is incredible. Right now,
Duke just gets the best players every year and we're
just gonna try to.

Speaker 1 (30:38):
Figure that's not fair now, No, Cava, Pari's about NBA guys,
that's what he brags about. Well, Yukon brags about March.

Speaker 7 (30:45):
Fifty five draft picks in the last thirty years.

Speaker 5 (30:47):
What do I care.

Speaker 3 (30:48):
No, I'm saying Duke is going after the best high
school players every year. Connecticut built a culture. They had
a twenty four year old, the kid Spencer last night,
who had played at two colleges already.

Speaker 7 (30:57):
But he comes in. He's not taking bad shots, He's
playing defensive bastly.

Speaker 1 (31:01):
You know, it's amazing with Yukon last night. It's impossible
to go on big runs. First of all, they defend
so well, oh yeah, the perimeter, the rim. Secondly is
they rebound so well. Even when they don't get a
great shot, and they almost always do, they often crash
the glass and get a putback. Like, you can't go
on a twelve nothing run against Yukon. So if you
fall behind and they fell behind thirty nine to thirty

(31:22):
start of the second half, and I'm like it's over.
They won four forty seven to zero entering last night
leading it half. And the problem is when you get
down eight, nine, ten to eleven against Yukon, you need
a run. They're virtually impossible to get a run on
because first of all, they take you out of your
rhythm offensively, so you just don't get a lot of
good shots. And then second of all, because they rebound

(31:44):
so well. Even when you defend them, they're getting second
and third law you can't get. I mean, I wonder
how many times this year somebody's gone on a twelve
nothing run against Yukon in the last two tournaments. I
bet you nobody, hillbody.

Speaker 7 (31:55):
But they also refuse to let produce you threes.

Speaker 3 (31:58):
They just hugged up the shooters said, sure, Zachy, you
could get all your dunks and layups you want, We're
not giving you threes.

Speaker 7 (32:03):
So when you're down nine.

Speaker 3 (32:04):
When you score five straight possessions with them not scoring,
that's impossible.

Speaker 1 (32:08):
Yeah, something else. So when you surpassed Duke as the
best college program in the last thirty years, that is substantial.
Duke's second, you come, I'd say Carolina third.

Speaker 7 (32:22):
UCLA's up there.

Speaker 1 (32:23):
Well, but hasn't had enough recent tournament success. Villanova and
Kansas you know gone, Zaga didn't have the championship, very successful,
Kentucky's still.

Speaker 7 (32:33):
Up there, and Zaga next year, syrahcuse Baylor.

Speaker 1 (32:36):
Baylor's very good.

Speaker 7 (32:37):
I think Duke next year wins the title. I'll be
Duke's gonna have the Future's bet you want right now?

Speaker 1 (32:42):
Yeah, Duke's favor to win next year. Yeah, they got
they'll have the star player Cooper flag.

Speaker 7 (32:47):
We'll talk about him a lot on the show.

Speaker 5 (32:49):
Yeah.

Speaker 7 (32:49):
Probably.

Speaker 1 (32:50):
We'll see you tomorrow.

Speaker 5 (32:50):
It's the hurt.
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