April 10, 2024 • 35 mins
UConn head coach Dan Hurley joins the show to talk about becoming the first team in 17 years to win back-to-back National Championships in men's basketball
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Speaker 1 (00:24):
All right. As of right now, we've been very lucky
in our jobs. We got a great women's NCAA tournament,
better than expected for us. We got a great men's tournament,
especially Sweet sixteen on. We're going to have the Master
starting up UFC three hundred this weekend, and the NBA
Western Conference playoffs are going to be insane because last
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night you're watching two teams battling. Starting Tuesday, the playing game,
which feels like the playoffs to me, I mean, you lose,
you're out, you win, you can advance. That feels good
playoff structure. So I was talking to you about this earlier.
You have Dallas and Boston in the finals. I have
Denver and Boston in the finals. But let's just make
(01:06):
this prediction. Who will be the team in each respective
conference that gives the Celtics and the Mavericks, in your opinion,
the hardest push.
Speaker 2 (01:17):
Well, first of all, I'm gonna start calling you chalk
cowherd going with Denver and Boston off your Yukon prediction.
I will say this is dumb, but I'll say the
Cleveland Cavaliers get it together. They are on a historic tumble.
Everybody's saying it's over. I think the Calves get it
together and make a run in the East and challenge
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Boston a little bit. I was gonna say Lakers before
like two games ago. But give me the I guess.
I guess Denver Dallas in the in the Western Conference Finals.
All right, not out on much of it, li in there,
But uh, what about.
Speaker 1 (01:56):
You if a d and Lebron play in six out
of seven games? Well wait, wait, wait.
Speaker 2 (02:03):
Are they playing in the play in game?
Speaker 1 (02:04):
They got to win two playing they'll win two playing games.
So why ads resting?
Speaker 2 (02:10):
Resting? He wasn't even on the bench last night.
Speaker 1 (02:13):
Well it was a They called it a headache, so
he was resting.
Speaker 2 (02:17):
So was it really a concussion? They just don't want
to call it that. Or he has to go in
a protocol and then could miss more games.
Speaker 1 (02:22):
No, he just he had he was nausea and resting,
So I think.
Speaker 2 (02:25):
He nausea resting bright lights of a stadium. Doubt is
a concussion.
Speaker 1 (02:29):
Yeah, I think they'll give Denver a real push. I
don't think they can beat them, but I think they
can give him a push.
Speaker 3 (02:35):
Meeting.
Speaker 1 (02:37):
Well, here's what's funny, Carl Anthony. So I think Philadelphia
gives Boston a pushback. They win a game or two.
A game or two. Boston just too deep and they've
been playing together. You know, Tatum Brown in this spot
so many times, and then I think, I don't know.
In the West, I think Okay c will be one
of the more fun teams to watch. I don't think
they get the conference finals, but I love what they're
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doing there. I think Dallas is fun, wins a series,
that's it. I think the Lakers are built to beat everybody,
but Denver Phoenix is a huge disappointment. I do not
trust the Clippers at all. Minnesota is interesting, Karl Anthony.
Town's coming back. Minnesota is one of those I've got
to see it to believe it, but I could see myself.
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Aunt has unbelievable nights. They've got some veterans for maturity,
great size, you know, a scoring guard. I love Chris Finch.
I could see Minnesota getting to the Conference finals, but
I haven't seen that a lot in my life, so
it's I've got to see it to believe.
Speaker 2 (03:34):
It was the last one with KG right, Like, yeah,
I mean years ago, and they've had players, So it's
like it's Anthony Edwards is a different species right now.
I mean that guy had a fIF fifty one last night. Yeah,
and he's the kind of guy fourth quarter, close game,
just feed him. Like people, you can't stop Anthony Edwards
right now. And I just don't feel the same way
about chet or Sha Sga for OKC. So that's why
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I think Minnesota is better, better than Okay.
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Speaker 1 (04:30):
Johnny Manziel was on Undisputed this morning. Met him before
and after the show. Good stuff. We're gonna play some
of that coming up in herdline Well, I had said,
Connecticut's one of the deepest teams. I think they're starting
five four guys average double figures in almost a fifth.
You know, last year they bounced around a little in
the regular season, then vanquished everybody in the tournament. This year,
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I had said, because I watch a lot of NFL
and college football, and then college basketball, I move into
in February and March, and I had said I watched
Yukon three times times and my prediction. J Mack pushed back.
He said, I'm mister chalk. I said, you COM's the
best team I saw, easily the only team I thought
that could kind of compete with a maybe Carolina, not
on talent but on age. But college basketball I thought
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had a very good year men's and women's. I thought
the games, NBA players, excellent coaching, and none better right
now than Dan Hurley is joining us for the second time.
Lucky for us. You know, my favorite part this is
funny because you deal with sometimes you got to be
a salesman, sometimes you gotta be a coach, but you're
always a husband. And I love your quote because my
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wife runs my life and you're like, guys, my wife's
gonna have a say in this. So like when in
your life, when you're coaching, the sport asks a lot
of you. Have you ever come home after a game
and your wife's like, settle down your cause you're an
intense guy. Or does your wife stay out of that stuff?
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Want to bring it up because you brought up your
wife and your relationship and being a coach's wife. Is
it hard sometimes? Do you think for for Dan Hurley's
lovely wife, Yeah.
Speaker 4 (06:12):
Colin, it's it's hard for her on so many levels.
Right My you know, my intensity, my energy, my passionate overflows.
You know, she's she's gotta Your family reads, uh they
read the social media. You know that they hear the comments. Uh,
you know from people that think at times I act
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like a monster or or an animal. She she picks
her spots. At times. She has said to me, you
know you, I think you've gone too far. You know
this time, either with an official or maybe with a
fan or just overall just what everything I'm bringing to
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the table? Uh?
Speaker 1 (06:56):
She?
Speaker 4 (06:57):
In fact, after after year seven is a high coach.
I got offered the job at Narris College, which would
have been you know, an opportunity earlier to get into
the business, which would have been you know, four or
five times when I was making at the time as
a high school coach. But she wouldn't let me take
the job. So I stayed two years longer at Saint
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Benix and then eventually got the job at Wagner. So yeah, yeah,
I mean she does everything for me. I'm a one
trick pony man, this is all I'm really good.
Speaker 1 (07:34):
But you know, Dan, one of the things you come
from a legendary family is I was talking with somebody
about this yesterday, Nick, right, my buddy. We were talking about, like,
like to be great at certain things, you got to
be assessed. I mean, if you want to be a
great singer, you can't put it in a nine to five.
If you want to be a great coach, it's not
nine to five. I mean it's five to nine at minimum,
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And there is a fine line you're coaching. I love,
but here's the most important thing. Your players like it?
And what's the communication like with your players when you're
on them and you love them, do you let them
come back at you? What's that? What's that relationship like
with your players?
Speaker 4 (08:17):
Yeah? Uh, you know, Colin, it's uh, you're right. I mean,
you're you're to be You're to be elite or to
be championship level, You've got to pour every part of yourself, uh,
you know into your position. You have to absolutely obsess
over every detail of your program. And if it's not
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functioning at a championship level, you know, you're you're you're
melting down over from the marketing, the branding to the
execution of its own offensive play. And then my relationship
with players is it's it's it's pretty simple, you know,
behind closed doors in training, in practice, push these guys
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to extreme levels. Uh. You know, I stress them out
absolutely to the max to develop their skills, uh and
to have the habits embedded so deeply, uh, so that
they don't have to raise their level when they show
up on game night. We could take exactly what we're
doing in training because it's so intense and we don't
have to raise our level when when the lights come on,
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and uh, you know, any type of negative emotion that
I have on game night, it's directed at pretty much
solely officials. Uh. You know, on gamelight, I become like
a cornerman for a boxer, where where you're trying to
create as much confidence for individuals in the group. On
game night, that's where you see me. I become much
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more like a cheerleader, high fives, chest bumps, you know,
threeze to the dome until Carmelo retire, and now I'm
just kind of going up in the air with it.
So yeah, man, you're your your your position. I obsess
over over everyone's performance, and we spend so much time
with our players that there's a there's a mutual connection
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that you could sense on game night with the way
we show up.
Speaker 1 (10:04):
So Donovan Klingon's gonna be a good NBA or he's
got real athletic skills, he's a big and yet Zach
Edy ends with thirty seven, get your bigs into foul trouble.
You acknowledged on our show if Zach Edy can't play
in the league, there's something wrong with the league. And
in your game you basically your game plan was all right,
he's gonna score. That's what Mark Fu said, Like, I
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don't know what to do, but you said, and Jay
Wright pointed this out very early, you know, like, hey,
he basically said, we're going to cover their guards. They're
not beating us on threes. Have you ever had a
game plan when you looked at film on a player
and just said, yeah, we're not going to stop that,
even with an NBA guy on him, We're not going
to stop that. I mean, that was respectful to Zach
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Edie to me.
Speaker 4 (10:50):
Yeah, and Kamani Young and Luke Murray, they prepare a
team incredibly well. And you're usually i'd say, going into
like ninety five percent of games, Colin, you're trying to
take away the other team's best player, right or the
other team, Yeah, the other team's biggest weapon. But just
in studying Produce season, it's just that you're what you
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were going to open up yourself to was you know,
he's going to score one on one a lot. The size,
the skill, the strength, the experience, he was going to
get his anyway. But then once you start doubling and
bringing help and digging the ball out, that now you
open things up for the others to now put them
over the top with the production. So you know, the
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mindset was, you know, as long as we could keep
clinging out of foul trouble, you know, just blanket the
three point line and basically make them one dimensional.
Speaker 1 (11:47):
Was there an epiphany a moment because you had some
transfers that were very valuable? Newton Spencer and I always
say in college basketball, I refuse to watch it until
January because the teams aren't right. I could watch. I
remember years ago watchings in like November. They were terrible,
and then I watched them eight weeks later and I'm like, oh,
they could win the title. So like you're I can't
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even figure you guys. Then all of a sudden you
get to February and you're like, Okay, was there a
moment this year a half where you were talking to
an assistant you wouldn't tell the players, you're telling your wife,
an assistant. You're driving home and you're like, yeah, I'm
not sure if anybody's gonna beat us. Did you? Was
there a moment for you this year?
Speaker 4 (12:28):
Probably not until until late I would say, really losing
the game to Creighton and then and then responding the
way we did to finish the Big East regular season
and then and then you know, winning the Big East Tournament.
I think at that point you realize kind of what
you had. I think as a coach, you know, calling
you you're always looking for vulnerabilities, blind spots, you know, weaknesses.
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You never feel like you're good enough. You know, you
always feel insecure about your team, and you're always kind
of picking away at it and trying to find the
ways to make yourself less vulnerable. But the way we
closed it out there and in the Big East Tournament,
then you felt this enormous, enormous sense of pressure after
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MSG in the Big East Tournament because you knew what
you had. You knew anything less than winning the national
championship with the group would feel like disappointment. When you
stood in front of the group, and the day of
the game, I just couldn't I couldn't get out of
my mind how horrible it would have felt like if
like the black and yellow confetti would have rained on
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our team's head as we were walking off the court
for it to have lost that game, because you know,
you knew we just we had a special team.
Speaker 1 (13:45):
Yeah. Dan Hurley yukon Basketball coach. Listen, you're gonna get
your phone. I don't even know who represents you. You've
I said this yesterday. You feel like Yukon. But you
don't want schools to take advantage of that, right, You've
got a big market if you wanted to leave is
would you ever have to? What happens if somebody comes
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up and just brings up a Brinks truck and then
you have to go to your boss and say, Okay,
they gave me a zillion dollars, I like what I make.
Where are you on that? Because Dan, for the next
five years, you're gonna get fifty offers? How do you
how do you kind of reconcile with the fact that
you love where you're at, but you may have somebody
double what you're worth. Where are you on that? What
do you do with that?
Speaker 4 (14:29):
Yeah, it's flattering. I've come a long way since, you know,
being a high school coach fifteen years ago, and you know,
having had to kind of work my way up the
ladder in the business as a coach the way coaches
did it, you know, back a long time ago. You know,
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it's certainly flattering, But I've got a long career of
turning down jobs or more money to stay in places
that you know that I was happy and that fit me,
and that you know, provide me the resources throughout that
level achieve the things you want to achieve. And I
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mean right now, and you can you know my relationship
with Dave Ben and what the place means to us.
You know, the opportunity to go for for for a
three peat right now is Uh. It's the only thing
that is obviously on anyone's mind here. So I just
can't see that being a thing.
Speaker 1 (15:33):
Hey man, appreciate you on the show. You do it
the right way. I said this the other day. It's
just serious people. As you said, go to a serious place.
I love your style, I love your passion, I love
your intensity and way to go congratulate. Give yourself a
weekend off, take pit the phone off. You don't have
to recruit. Just go have a nice weekend down at
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the old say Brook or something and chill out. Is
that okay?
Speaker 4 (15:58):
No, man, I'm like this. It's like Star trek Man.
They want to be in the portal. I guess they
would just poor. I'm in the portal now like everybody else.
And uh, one of our biggest motivators to not lose.
Uh you know they brought me back in so uh yeah,
may Man.
Speaker 1 (16:16):
Into may all right, good luck Dan, thanks Man later.
Speaker 4 (16:20):
Appreciate you brother.
Speaker 1 (16:21):
All right. Great college basketball coach, it really is. I mean,
it's it's we were I was talking with Nick Wright
yesterday about this on my podcast, and I said, there
are professions that the great ones are a little a
little off. Is to be a great artist, to be
in a college coach had they have no time off. Now,
I mean there are multiple recruiting cycles. Now, recruiting was
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always a lot of work, and now in college football
you have two recruiting periods and then the nil. So
you're recruiting your own players to stay. I mean, it's
it's it's you gotta be. I mean, you have to
marry the right person. You've got to be. People have
to be understanding. But so I always give coaches at
the college level a little pass on the intensity stuff.
Is O can getting the guy's face, Nick Saban can
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get in the guy's face. At the pro level, it's different.
You have more of a life, you don't have to recruit.
The players are more empowered and important. But the star
of college sports is the coach, and it is we
ask them to work eighty hours a week. Don't be
surprised if sometimes they're a little uptight, that they're a
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little intense. They have to be the psychologists, they have
to be the coach. They're the lead recruiter, they're the
HR person, they're the pr person. I've said this, if
I ran the NCAA like college football, there would be
one recruiting period. Nobody would be allowed to work in
like June until July fifteenth. The sport gets six weeks off.
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You can't be in the office. It is illegal to
make a recruiting call. You cannot be in the office.
Because I think what happens is you create stability in
the coaching circle. The good coaches stay. You start grinding
all these coaches. They're going to go to pro leagues.
They're going to retire because they're making more money. So
I do think the nc double A if you have.
I mean, I can remember when I first came to Fox.
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I was doing a bunch of stuff and a bunch
of shows. The company came to me and said, we
want you off this show. You can't. You can't be
on three shows. It's too much. You have to have
a life like at some point, the NC DOUBLEA needs
the kind of leadership that goes, okay, whatever the time is,
June fifteenth, you know, whatever it is to July twenty third,
it's a violation to be in the office, and it's
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a violation to make any recruiting call or any coaching
staff call. And you'd have to have exceptions by the
NC DOUBLEA, like if a coach retired or quit. Otherwise
you're gonna burn all these guys out. Jmack with a
news no, no, no, turn on the news. This is
the herd Line news.
Speaker 2 (18:49):
So earlier this morning, Johnny Manziel made an appearance on Undisputed.
He did talking about a lot of topics, including Caleb Williams.
Manziel also reflected on his time in the NFL. Spoke
about how his first NFL start made him question whether
he was worthy of being an NFL QB.
Speaker 5 (19:06):
I remember just going through the whole process of having
an unbelievable amount of nerves. You know, at that point
in time, you know, when you're on an NFL level
and you're on a you know, starting quarterback of a team,
you can't really show weakness and I went from a
person in college that was never shied away from the moment,
never back down from getting an opportunity to walk into
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the biggest, baddest, best stage ever and probably for the
first time, maybe ever in my entire football career, we
don't even put three point We don't even get a
chance to kick a field goal. You know, we don't
go down and score at least one touchdown in that game.
So you know the personal side of things where you
start to question your ability and really, is this what
I'm meant to do?
Speaker 1 (19:47):
But there's so many layers to Johnny Manziel's career. I
mean I talked to him pre and posh undisputed today.
It's a lot. That's why I I really push on
this and I've gotten pushed back on this. One of
the things I really look at is self awareness, maturity,
your family. There were concerns early with Johnny Manzil He
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came from big time money and there was like concerns,
is is he ready for the grind? You're not going
to be a star. So I think Johnny's a bit
of a cautionary tale on life's not fair right for athletes.
So you and I can make a bunch of mistakes.
Nobody watches us in our twenties and early thirties in
were at a small market, We're on a blog, and
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then all of a sudden, you get a bigger job
and you've done fifteen years to grow up maturation process
in pro athletes, you've got to be ready to go
as a franchise quarterback at twenty one years old, and
you are now going to be the face of a franchise.
You don't get a chance to grow up, and so
that's why it may be unfair, but it's the reality
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of the position. And so that's why during the combine,
I've always said everything is something. Nothing's everything. What are
mom and dad like? What's your history?
Speaker 6 (20:59):
Like?
Speaker 1 (21:00):
Are you mature? Do you come from money? Are you driven?
Are you responsible? I mean justin Herbert's a four to
two college major and was a tutor in biology. I
made one call and the people at Oregon were like,
nobody liked that kid. He is ready to run a franchise.
So I think with Johnny, it's just like he acknowledges
he didn't want ready for it.
Speaker 2 (21:20):
All right, let's move to the NBA. Big news here.
Trey Young has been out since February tearing a ligament
in his pinky, but according to WoDES, Trey Young may
return tonight. Now this is a big news for the
playoffs because we know Trey Young's history. He got the
Hawks or the conference finals. He is deadly in the
play in. This is a guy who can carry Atlanta
places Colin if he returns. Currently, Atlanta is the ten
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seed in the East. They would face your Chicago Bulls.
I think that's obviously a Hawk's win in the first
playing game, and then adding fuel to it. There are
multiple reports, including Mark Stein, who you previously work with,
that either Trey Young or Dejanta Murray's getting traded out
of Atlanta season.
Speaker 1 (22:00):
I think the Lakers need what Trey Young provides, shot making, playmaking.
They are too Lebron relying on that way. WHOA okay,
I'm I would give up everybody but Lebron and a
d everybody.
Speaker 2 (22:16):
You're moving on Austin Reeves absolutely, Tree Young, absolutely, not
even a question.
Speaker 1 (22:22):
He's a better creator, he's a better athlete.
Speaker 2 (22:25):
So you're starting that court is D'Angelo Russell, who's a
pass I'm.
Speaker 1 (22:28):
Moving off that. I my my my back court is
essentially Lebron and Trey Young. This team does not have
enough shot creators. He's a four, Trey Young is a one. A.
Speaker 2 (22:43):
You know, I thought's your theory with the small guard.
You can't have him at.
Speaker 1 (22:46):
One time out. You can't build the Steph Curry you can.
Speaker 2 (22:50):
That's rare, Jaylen Brunson, can you.
Speaker 1 (22:53):
I'm I'm starting to believe, Jason, you have said repeatedly
you can't. The history shows you that out of a
Steph Curry. If your best player is a small guard,
Isaiah Thomas did it, but that team had Chuck Daalien
was great. Steph Curry's done it. Jalen Brunson's making me
start believe. The maturity, the intensity, the scoring is better
than I ever thought it would be. I mean, he's
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a he's a he's a big time score. Trey Young
to the Lakers, I would start over. I mean, give them,
give them some expiring contracts, give them some size. In Atlanta,
we've went over this, Donovan Mitchell.
Speaker 2 (23:27):
If the cat's crater and they are really struggling.
Speaker 1 (23:29):
With I would take Trey Young over Donovan Mitchell. I
am in the minority on that. I think Trey is
I like and I think Donovan's fine. I would take
Trey Young over Donovan Mitchell. I am in the minority
on that, But I think Trey Young not a good defender.
AD protects the ten. Uh sometimes he can be squarely,
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he won't with Lebron, James, Lebron, Trey Young, and Ad
Denver meet your match. I think they're really good. I
think that I like.
Speaker 2 (24:02):
Trey Young a lot. I don't you don't I down you,
I do. I like with.
Speaker 1 (24:07):
Lebron, I like him a lot.
Speaker 2 (24:08):
Now, no, there's no butts. I like Trey Young. The
Donovan Mitchell one is fascinating. Let's see what happens with
so many. You know that the playoffs dictate the offseason, right,
If Trey Young gets hot and carries him into the
series against Boston, maybe they win a game against Boston.
I don't know. Trey Young doll out of value. Donovan
Mitchell and the Cats crater we all think he's out
of there.
Speaker 1 (24:27):
You know what I'm gonna I'm gonna get a hold
of Lebron's people and ask them Donovan Mitchell or Trey
that's a great ques. A lot of it's fit, A
lot of it's fit. I think you guy, Trey Young
is very close with with like Draymond Green. Draymond's very
close with Lebron.
Speaker 2 (24:48):
I'm not you know, I'm out. And Draymond I know
he's your boy.
Speaker 1 (24:52):
First half, last hand. Oh god, he's three points specialist, right,
I call him Radar Green anyway, Wow, beautiful shooting. So
I think Trey Young is liked by the Lebron group
and the Draymond group. I think Draymond doesn't have a
group necessarily, but I think Trey is in that circle
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of guys they like.
Speaker 4 (25:14):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (25:14):
Final story is the Master's Tease Off tomorrow from Augusta,
and Tiger Woods is going to be there, teeing up
for the twenty sixth time in Augusta, his first major
appearance since the last year's event. Tiger believes he can
still take home another green jacket.
Speaker 7 (25:30):
If everything comes together. I think I can get one more.
I still think that I can. I haven't gotten to
that point where I don't think I can't. I heard
every day. Yeah, yes, I ache. No, I ache every day.
As far as my physicality on certain shots, every shot
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that's not on the tea box is it's a challenge
isn't that crazy?
Speaker 2 (26:00):
What that he's forty eight or well, I mean it's
just he's still golfing.
Speaker 1 (26:03):
Is that it hurts every shot? What sport in the
world would that be good? If you every swing in
baseball hurt, you should retire.
Speaker 2 (26:13):
But it's golf.
Speaker 1 (26:14):
Yes, golf's hard. You think golf's easy.
Speaker 2 (26:18):
I mean it's not easy.
Speaker 1 (26:19):
A lot of torque on your body.
Speaker 2 (26:21):
Let's free frame that. It's a difficult sport to play.
But it's not like labor intensive, is it?
Speaker 4 (26:27):
Dude?
Speaker 2 (26:27):
Do you think golf like?
Speaker 1 (26:28):
Well, I think golf is a sport of intensity and repetition.
That's why all golfers at forty five. Their backs are bad,
their wrists are bad, their shoulders are It's just repetition.
So I don't think it's as physically daunting as hockey.
But I think it has its own level of intensity.
Speaker 2 (26:43):
Oh every sport does. But like NFL, different animal, NBA, different.
Speaker 1 (26:47):
Ansa nobody's tackling, you know, Phil Michelson.
Speaker 2 (26:50):
Okay, how about this one? Baseball or golf which is
more physically taxing. And I think about it for a moment.
Speaker 1 (26:55):
Because well, it depends on your position. If I if
I'm shortstop or I'm catching with all that. Okay, Catchers Saturday.
Speaker 2 (27:02):
Day game, but yeah, Saturday is different. Catcher is different.
Speaker 1 (27:04):
Let me let me ask you this, though. You ever
played golf four rounds of intense golf, four hours around
with amateurs the first day in the heat of the summer.
You tell me that's no, of course, it's that's all
that is. These pro golfers many they look their age.
Speaker 2 (27:21):
Just so you know that he ain't carrying his bag. Okay,
he's not carrying his bag for eighteen. I just I
don't know how physically taxing it is. Obviously it's it's taxing,
but it's like.
Speaker 1 (27:30):
I'm not saying it's a Tour de France. That's not
what I'm saying. Okay, but I think all this stuff
is the equipment's doing some of the work. This isn't
even Nascar. You sit in the car, you're wearing that suit,
distress of literally.
Speaker 2 (27:43):
You die more physically taxing than I.
Speaker 1 (27:45):
Think NASCAR is.
Speaker 2 (27:46):
Yeah, I just, yeah, I got to play more golf.
I guess I'm not. It's a rare sport.
Speaker 1 (27:51):
I'm not great at I think I think four rounds
of golf, but a major is taxing.
Speaker 2 (27:57):
I can think of two hundred and ninety seven things
I do rather than play four rounds of golf in
four days, Like, come.
Speaker 1 (28:03):
On, you know what's not taxing frisbee golf?
Speaker 2 (28:08):
You played frisbee golf?
Speaker 1 (28:09):
Well in between my hacky sack matches? Yeah, what are
we gonna play? Pig pog? I gotta life pig POGs.
Speaker 2 (28:17):
So I'm getting a table. By the way, I talked
the wife.
Speaker 1 (28:19):
Into it, I'm getting another dog. So it's always, oh real,
what kind? It's not information for the the audience.
Speaker 2 (28:26):
When I said walking a dog in the rain is terrible,
I had so many people listening to this show. You
gotta get this dog umbrella. You gotta get this dog raincoat.
Speaker 1 (28:34):
The very few things in life bring me more joy
than being around my dog.
Speaker 2 (28:38):
My dog's amazing.
Speaker 1 (28:39):
I love Buddy Jay Mack with the news.
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Yos. If I don't see Yosi for a while and
I see her, she cries. I mean like literally she'll cry.
My wife's like I can't go in the house. I
can't listen to my dogs cry. It's too sad for me.
It's the way my family is. My family doesn't cry
and they see me or when I leave dogs. Yeah, family.
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Speaker 1 (30:23):
So Draymond Green had Clay Thompson, who got a big
night last night for the Warriors, on his podcast recently,
The Draymond Green Show, and it was interesting. There was
a kind of a poignant moment where Draymond is asking Clay,
who's a free agent? Here? Pretty soon he was asking
him about his pending free agency.
Speaker 3 (30:45):
I was actually struggling with that a lot in the
beginning of this year because of the unknown you know,
I mean, I might have led contract situations or playing
time or choosing making up a lot of excuses rather
than just appreciate it what is in front of me
and saying that when it comes to free agency in July,
(31:06):
I just got to keep that in mind, like, yes,
I want to resign with the Doves, but I also
prioritize my mental health and layout what is important to
me at this point in my career.
Speaker 1 (31:17):
So he has had a great April and a really
good last three months. And what Clay is doing usage rate, minutes, points,
field goal percentage. So you know, he battled with it
knowing that the Splash Brothers could end, and now he's
sort of gotten through that little therapy maybe and all
of a sudden last three months, he was so valuable
(31:37):
last night And I said this earlier. Is that watching
that game, it's as if look at that passed by Curry.
It is as if the Warriors coaching staff is sending
a message upstairs, guys, we know Orlando's going to offer
a fortune. We can't pay that, but he has real
value on this team. You didn't take anything from last night.
Speaker 2 (31:56):
I think you're just Westen. You're my guy, obviously, Like
I think you're overreacting to a nice stretch run three
three months, Okay, great, wonderful.
Speaker 1 (32:06):
Why is he all of a sudden playing all these
minutes and getting all his usage.
Speaker 2 (32:11):
That's a great question. I don't have an answer to that.
I just let's be real, Okay, last couple of years
he's trending down the playoffs. It's been a little he's
expensive and keeping that core together to finish tenth in
the West or ninth and be in the play in
I just don't think it's worth I'm moving off Clay,
I'm moving off Raymond, I'm keeping Curry. But that they're
(32:32):
never going to do that.
Speaker 1 (32:33):
You can't move off Draymond. Of course, it is very
good play.
Speaker 2 (32:36):
You can finished in tenth in the West and deal
with Draymond's antics and fights. Suspension, What do you mean,
I'm basically suspended by the league for being such a clown. Well,
it's not being harsh, that's real talk like he's stomping out.
Uh what's his bonus punching out?
Speaker 1 (32:52):
What's the state those guys need? Oh?
Speaker 2 (32:54):
The European guys. Yeah, pick on someone who's not European
and soft.
Speaker 1 (32:59):
Go for it, dreamon, Come on. This team now is
a great road team. They were abysmal last year. Why
do you think that? Is that the disruptive player wasn't Draymon.
It was Jordan's.
Speaker 2 (33:10):
Oh here we go with the Jordan pool back, and.
Speaker 1 (33:12):
The enforcer had to make a stand for the entire
team because Stephen Clay are not the kind of guys
that want to dust up. So Draymond always been the
bouncer of the franchise said, sometimes a bencher, sometimes you
gotta get a little physical. Is the bouncer of the team. Now,
Jordan was the bouncer on his team and the best player. No,
it doesn't work like that mostly.
Speaker 2 (33:32):
So have you seen the Patrick Swayze movie Roadhouse? No,
they call the bouncer the cooler. He that's right, settles
things down. The Roadhouse remake, Jake Jillenhall, it's not bad.
You should check it out on whatever it's on. I
just can't ride with you. After he punched out sucker
punched a teammate, I just cant no.
Speaker 1 (33:51):
I mean it wasn't in the back. I mean they
were talking trash and things happen.
Speaker 2 (33:54):
He's your teammate. You and I talk between segments all
the time. If you came up to me when he
just slugged.
Speaker 1 (34:00):
Me, depend on your per dependent on your take I mean,
you know, some of your takes are a little hot.
I may be disruptive.
Speaker 2 (34:11):
Yeah, I guess you're right. And I mean he was
talking trash. Some of the trash talk that he gave
for me.
Speaker 1 (34:16):
I mean you heard, you heard.
Speaker 2 (34:17):
I forget who the rapper was. It was bad, it
was it was really aggressive. And I'm not coming in
hot like that to you. I mean, I'm we're we're
having fun.
Speaker 1 (34:25):
Some of your KD takes, though, got me all broiled up.
I can't. I can't. I will say this, cannot believe
the number of the day, which is unbelievable. I didn't
watch it. The Sun's trailed at home last night, thirty
five to four. That isn't That is a bad high
school game in the seventies. Who how in God's name
(34:46):
can a k D Booker team trail thirty five to four?
You're not ready to play.
Speaker 2 (34:53):
No heart in no kawai either last night.
Speaker 1 (34:56):
It may be. And the other number that happened last night,
the Boss and Celtics became the first teaming league history
to not have a single free throw on the same night.
The two most ridiculous stats I've ever.
Speaker 2 (35:09):
Heard April basketball. It's fantastic in the NBA. That's what
it is, is it. Who's the guy who scored fifty
points the other night, Melcha?
Speaker 1 (35:18):
So he was the out of the blue guy.
Speaker 2 (35:20):
Fifty points, that's a lot.
Speaker 1 (35:22):
In the NBA.
Speaker 2 (35:23):
He's averaged like a four points a game on.
Speaker 1 (35:25):
In April, which is it's a difference.
Speaker 2 (35:28):
Not reading too much into it.
Speaker 1 (35:30):
That's my job to reach into it. Read too much
into it.
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Speaker 1 (00:24):
All right. As of right now, we've been very lucky
in our jobs. We got a great women's NCAA tournament,
better than expected for us. We got a great men's tournament,
especially Sweet sixteen on. We're going to have the Master
starting up UFC three hundred this weekend, and the NBA
Western Conference playoffs are going to be insane because last
(00:45):
night you're watching two teams battling. Starting Tuesday, the playing game,
which feels like the playoffs to me, I mean, you lose,
you're out, you win, you can advance. That feels good
playoff structure. So I was talking to you about this earlier.
You have Dallas and Boston in the finals. I have
Denver and Boston in the finals. But let's just make
(01:06):
this prediction. Who will be the team in each respective
conference that gives the Celtics and the Mavericks, in your opinion,
the hardest push.
Speaker 2 (01:17):
Well, first of all, I'm gonna start calling you chalk
cowherd going with Denver and Boston off your Yukon prediction.
I will say this is dumb, but I'll say the
Cleveland Cavaliers get it together. They are on a historic tumble.
Everybody's saying it's over. I think the Calves get it
together and make a run in the East and challenge
(01:38):
Boston a little bit. I was gonna say Lakers before
like two games ago. But give me the I guess.
I guess Denver Dallas in the in the Western Conference Finals.
All right, not out on much of it, li in there,
But uh, what about.
Speaker 1 (01:56):
You if a d and Lebron play in six out
of seven games? Well wait, wait, wait.
Speaker 2 (02:03):
Are they playing in the play in game?
Speaker 1 (02:04):
They got to win two playing they'll win two playing games.
So why ads resting?
Speaker 2 (02:10):
Resting? He wasn't even on the bench last night.
Speaker 1 (02:13):
Well it was a They called it a headache, so
he was resting.
Speaker 2 (02:17):
So was it really a concussion? They just don't want
to call it that. Or he has to go in
a protocol and then could miss more games.
Speaker 1 (02:22):
No, he just he had he was nausea and resting,
So I think.
Speaker 2 (02:25):
He nausea resting bright lights of a stadium. Doubt is
a concussion.
Speaker 1 (02:29):
Yeah, I think they'll give Denver a real push. I
don't think they can beat them, but I think they
can give him a push.
Speaker 3 (02:35):
Meeting.
Speaker 1 (02:37):
Well, here's what's funny, Carl Anthony. So I think Philadelphia
gives Boston a pushback. They win a game or two.
A game or two. Boston just too deep and they've
been playing together. You know, Tatum Brown in this spot
so many times, and then I think, I don't know.
In the West, I think Okay c will be one
of the more fun teams to watch. I don't think
they get the conference finals, but I love what they're
(02:57):
doing there. I think Dallas is fun, wins a series,
that's it. I think the Lakers are built to beat everybody,
but Denver Phoenix is a huge disappointment. I do not
trust the Clippers at all. Minnesota is interesting, Karl Anthony.
Town's coming back. Minnesota is one of those I've got
to see it to believe it, but I could see myself.
(03:18):
Aunt has unbelievable nights. They've got some veterans for maturity,
great size, you know, a scoring guard. I love Chris Finch.
I could see Minnesota getting to the Conference finals, but
I haven't seen that a lot in my life, so
it's I've got to see it to believe.
Speaker 2 (03:34):
It was the last one with KG right, Like, yeah,
I mean years ago, and they've had players, So it's
like it's Anthony Edwards is a different species right now.
I mean that guy had a fIF fifty one last night. Yeah,
and he's the kind of guy fourth quarter, close game,
just feed him. Like people, you can't stop Anthony Edwards
right now. And I just don't feel the same way
about chet or Sha Sga for OKC. So that's why
(03:56):
I think Minnesota is better, better than Okay.
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Speaker 1 (04:30):
Johnny Manziel was on Undisputed this morning. Met him before
and after the show. Good stuff. We're gonna play some
of that coming up in herdline Well, I had said,
Connecticut's one of the deepest teams. I think they're starting
five four guys average double figures in almost a fifth.
You know, last year they bounced around a little in
the regular season, then vanquished everybody in the tournament. This year,
(04:52):
I had said, because I watch a lot of NFL
and college football, and then college basketball, I move into
in February and March, and I had said I watched
Yukon three times times and my prediction. J Mack pushed back.
He said, I'm mister chalk. I said, you COM's the
best team I saw, easily the only team I thought
that could kind of compete with a maybe Carolina, not
on talent but on age. But college basketball I thought
(05:14):
had a very good year men's and women's. I thought
the games, NBA players, excellent coaching, and none better right
now than Dan Hurley is joining us for the second time.
Lucky for us. You know, my favorite part this is
funny because you deal with sometimes you got to be
a salesman, sometimes you gotta be a coach, but you're
always a husband. And I love your quote because my
(05:37):
wife runs my life and you're like, guys, my wife's
gonna have a say in this. So like when in
your life, when you're coaching, the sport asks a lot
of you. Have you ever come home after a game
and your wife's like, settle down your cause you're an
intense guy. Or does your wife stay out of that stuff?
(06:00):
Want to bring it up because you brought up your
wife and your relationship and being a coach's wife. Is
it hard sometimes? Do you think for for Dan Hurley's
lovely wife, Yeah.
Speaker 4 (06:12):
Colin, it's it's hard for her on so many levels.
Right My you know, my intensity, my energy, my passionate overflows.
You know, she's she's gotta Your family reads, uh they
read the social media. You know that they hear the comments. Uh,
you know from people that think at times I act
(06:34):
like a monster or or an animal. She she picks
her spots. At times. She has said to me, you
know you, I think you've gone too far. You know
this time, either with an official or maybe with a
fan or just overall just what everything I'm bringing to
(06:55):
the table? Uh?
Speaker 1 (06:56):
She?
Speaker 4 (06:57):
In fact, after after year seven is a high coach.
I got offered the job at Narris College, which would
have been you know, an opportunity earlier to get into
the business, which would have been you know, four or
five times when I was making at the time as
a high school coach. But she wouldn't let me take
the job. So I stayed two years longer at Saint
(07:20):
Benix and then eventually got the job at Wagner. So yeah, yeah,
I mean she does everything for me. I'm a one
trick pony man, this is all I'm really good.
Speaker 1 (07:34):
But you know, Dan, one of the things you come
from a legendary family is I was talking with somebody
about this yesterday, Nick, right, my buddy. We were talking about, like,
like to be great at certain things, you got to
be assessed. I mean, if you want to be a
great singer, you can't put it in a nine to five.
If you want to be a great coach, it's not
nine to five. I mean it's five to nine at minimum,
(07:56):
And there is a fine line you're coaching. I love,
but here's the most important thing. Your players like it?
And what's the communication like with your players when you're
on them and you love them, do you let them
come back at you? What's that? What's that relationship like
with your players?
Speaker 4 (08:17):
Yeah? Uh, you know, Colin, it's uh, you're right. I mean,
you're you're to be You're to be elite or to
be championship level, You've got to pour every part of yourself, uh,
you know into your position. You have to absolutely obsess
over every detail of your program. And if it's not
(08:38):
functioning at a championship level, you know, you're you're you're
melting down over from the marketing, the branding to the
execution of its own offensive play. And then my relationship
with players is it's it's it's pretty simple, you know,
behind closed doors in training, in practice, push these guys
(08:58):
to extreme levels. Uh. You know, I stress them out
absolutely to the max to develop their skills, uh and
to have the habits embedded so deeply, uh, so that
they don't have to raise their level when they show
up on game night. We could take exactly what we're
doing in training because it's so intense and we don't
have to raise our level when when the lights come on,
(09:19):
and uh, you know, any type of negative emotion that
I have on game night, it's directed at pretty much
solely officials. Uh. You know, on gamelight, I become like
a cornerman for a boxer, where where you're trying to
create as much confidence for individuals in the group. On
game night, that's where you see me. I become much
(09:39):
more like a cheerleader, high fives, chest bumps, you know,
threeze to the dome until Carmelo retire, and now I'm
just kind of going up in the air with it.
So yeah, man, you're your your your position. I obsess
over over everyone's performance, and we spend so much time
with our players that there's a there's a mutual connection
(10:01):
that you could sense on game night with the way
we show up.
Speaker 1 (10:04):
So Donovan Klingon's gonna be a good NBA or he's
got real athletic skills, he's a big and yet Zach
Edy ends with thirty seven, get your bigs into foul trouble.
You acknowledged on our show if Zach Edy can't play
in the league, there's something wrong with the league. And
in your game you basically your game plan was all right,
he's gonna score. That's what Mark Fu said, Like, I
(10:25):
don't know what to do, but you said, and Jay
Wright pointed this out very early, you know, like, hey,
he basically said, we're going to cover their guards. They're
not beating us on threes. Have you ever had a
game plan when you looked at film on a player
and just said, yeah, we're not going to stop that,
even with an NBA guy on him, We're not going
to stop that. I mean, that was respectful to Zach
(10:48):
Edie to me.
Speaker 4 (10:50):
Yeah, and Kamani Young and Luke Murray, they prepare a
team incredibly well. And you're usually i'd say, going into
like ninety five percent of games, Colin, you're trying to
take away the other team's best player, right or the
other team, Yeah, the other team's biggest weapon. But just
in studying Produce season, it's just that you're what you
(11:14):
were going to open up yourself to was you know,
he's going to score one on one a lot. The size,
the skill, the strength, the experience, he was going to
get his anyway. But then once you start doubling and
bringing help and digging the ball out, that now you
open things up for the others to now put them
over the top with the production. So you know, the
(11:37):
mindset was, you know, as long as we could keep
clinging out of foul trouble, you know, just blanket the
three point line and basically make them one dimensional.
Speaker 1 (11:47):
Was there an epiphany a moment because you had some
transfers that were very valuable? Newton Spencer and I always
say in college basketball, I refuse to watch it until
January because the teams aren't right. I could watch. I
remember years ago watchings in like November. They were terrible,
and then I watched them eight weeks later and I'm like, oh,
they could win the title. So like you're I can't
(12:07):
even figure you guys. Then all of a sudden you
get to February and you're like, Okay, was there a
moment this year a half where you were talking to
an assistant you wouldn't tell the players, you're telling your wife,
an assistant. You're driving home and you're like, yeah, I'm
not sure if anybody's gonna beat us. Did you? Was
there a moment for you this year?
Speaker 4 (12:28):
Probably not until until late I would say, really losing
the game to Creighton and then and then responding the
way we did to finish the Big East regular season
and then and then you know, winning the Big East Tournament.
I think at that point you realize kind of what
you had. I think as a coach, you know, calling
you you're always looking for vulnerabilities, blind spots, you know, weaknesses.
(12:52):
You never feel like you're good enough. You know, you
always feel insecure about your team, and you're always kind
of picking away at it and trying to find the
ways to make yourself less vulnerable. But the way we
closed it out there and in the Big East Tournament,
then you felt this enormous, enormous sense of pressure after
(13:16):
MSG in the Big East Tournament because you knew what
you had. You knew anything less than winning the national
championship with the group would feel like disappointment. When you
stood in front of the group, and the day of
the game, I just couldn't I couldn't get out of
my mind how horrible it would have felt like if
like the black and yellow confetti would have rained on
(13:37):
our team's head as we were walking off the court
for it to have lost that game, because you know,
you knew we just we had a special team.
Speaker 1 (13:45):
Yeah. Dan Hurley yukon Basketball coach. Listen, you're gonna get
your phone. I don't even know who represents you. You've
I said this yesterday. You feel like Yukon. But you
don't want schools to take advantage of that, right, You've
got a big market if you wanted to leave is
would you ever have to? What happens if somebody comes
(14:07):
up and just brings up a Brinks truck and then
you have to go to your boss and say, Okay,
they gave me a zillion dollars, I like what I make.
Where are you on that? Because Dan, for the next
five years, you're gonna get fifty offers? How do you
how do you kind of reconcile with the fact that
you love where you're at, but you may have somebody
double what you're worth. Where are you on that? What
do you do with that?
Speaker 4 (14:29):
Yeah, it's flattering. I've come a long way since, you know,
being a high school coach fifteen years ago, and you know,
having had to kind of work my way up the
ladder in the business as a coach the way coaches
did it, you know, back a long time ago. You know,
(14:49):
it's certainly flattering, But I've got a long career of
turning down jobs or more money to stay in places
that you know that I was happy and that fit me,
and that you know, provide me the resources throughout that
level achieve the things you want to achieve. And I
(15:11):
mean right now, and you can you know my relationship
with Dave Ben and what the place means to us.
You know, the opportunity to go for for for a
three peat right now is Uh. It's the only thing
that is obviously on anyone's mind here. So I just
can't see that being a thing.
Speaker 1 (15:33):
Hey man, appreciate you on the show. You do it
the right way. I said this the other day. It's
just serious people. As you said, go to a serious place.
I love your style, I love your passion, I love
your intensity and way to go congratulate. Give yourself a
weekend off, take pit the phone off. You don't have
to recruit. Just go have a nice weekend down at
(15:54):
the old say Brook or something and chill out. Is
that okay?
Speaker 4 (15:58):
No, man, I'm like this. It's like Star trek Man.
They want to be in the portal. I guess they
would just poor. I'm in the portal now like everybody else.
And uh, one of our biggest motivators to not lose.
Uh you know they brought me back in so uh yeah,
may Man.
Speaker 1 (16:16):
Into may all right, good luck Dan, thanks Man later.
Speaker 4 (16:20):
Appreciate you brother.
Speaker 1 (16:21):
All right. Great college basketball coach, it really is. I mean,
it's it's we were I was talking with Nick Wright
yesterday about this on my podcast, and I said, there
are professions that the great ones are a little a
little off. Is to be a great artist, to be
in a college coach had they have no time off. Now,
I mean there are multiple recruiting cycles. Now, recruiting was
(16:42):
always a lot of work, and now in college football
you have two recruiting periods and then the nil. So
you're recruiting your own players to stay. I mean, it's
it's it's you gotta be. I mean, you have to
marry the right person. You've got to be. People have
to be understanding. But so I always give coaches at
the college level a little pass on the intensity stuff.
Is O can getting the guy's face, Nick Saban can
(17:04):
get in the guy's face. At the pro level, it's different.
You have more of a life, you don't have to recruit.
The players are more empowered and important. But the star
of college sports is the coach, and it is we
ask them to work eighty hours a week. Don't be
surprised if sometimes they're a little uptight, that they're a
(17:25):
little intense. They have to be the psychologists, they have
to be the coach. They're the lead recruiter, they're the
HR person, they're the pr person. I've said this, if
I ran the NCAA like college football, there would be
one recruiting period. Nobody would be allowed to work in
like June until July fifteenth. The sport gets six weeks off.
(17:46):
You can't be in the office. It is illegal to
make a recruiting call. You cannot be in the office.
Because I think what happens is you create stability in
the coaching circle. The good coaches stay. You start grinding
all these coaches. They're going to go to pro leagues.
They're going to retire because they're making more money. So
I do think the nc double A if you have.
I mean, I can remember when I first came to Fox.
(18:09):
I was doing a bunch of stuff and a bunch
of shows. The company came to me and said, we
want you off this show. You can't. You can't be
on three shows. It's too much. You have to have
a life like at some point, the NC DOUBLEA needs
the kind of leadership that goes, okay, whatever the time is,
June fifteenth, you know, whatever it is to July twenty third,
it's a violation to be in the office, and it's
(18:30):
a violation to make any recruiting call or any coaching
staff call. And you'd have to have exceptions by the
NC DOUBLEA, like if a coach retired or quit. Otherwise
you're gonna burn all these guys out. Jmack with a
news no, no, no, turn on the news. This is
the herd Line news.
Speaker 2 (18:49):
So earlier this morning, Johnny Manziel made an appearance on Undisputed.
He did talking about a lot of topics, including Caleb Williams.
Manziel also reflected on his time in the NFL. Spoke
about how his first NFL start made him question whether
he was worthy of being an NFL QB.
Speaker 5 (19:06):
I remember just going through the whole process of having
an unbelievable amount of nerves. You know, at that point
in time, you know, when you're on an NFL level
and you're on a you know, starting quarterback of a team,
you can't really show weakness and I went from a
person in college that was never shied away from the moment,
never back down from getting an opportunity to walk into
(19:26):
the biggest, baddest, best stage ever and probably for the
first time, maybe ever in my entire football career, we
don't even put three point We don't even get a
chance to kick a field goal. You know, we don't
go down and score at least one touchdown in that game.
So you know the personal side of things where you
start to question your ability and really, is this what
I'm meant to do?
Speaker 1 (19:47):
But there's so many layers to Johnny Manziel's career. I
mean I talked to him pre and posh undisputed today.
It's a lot. That's why I I really push on
this and I've gotten pushed back on this. One of
the things I really look at is self awareness, maturity,
your family. There were concerns early with Johnny Manzil He
(20:09):
came from big time money and there was like concerns,
is is he ready for the grind? You're not going
to be a star. So I think Johnny's a bit
of a cautionary tale on life's not fair right for athletes.
So you and I can make a bunch of mistakes.
Nobody watches us in our twenties and early thirties in
were at a small market, We're on a blog, and
(20:29):
then all of a sudden, you get a bigger job
and you've done fifteen years to grow up maturation process
in pro athletes, you've got to be ready to go
as a franchise quarterback at twenty one years old, and
you are now going to be the face of a franchise.
You don't get a chance to grow up, and so
that's why it may be unfair, but it's the reality
(20:49):
of the position. And so that's why during the combine,
I've always said everything is something. Nothing's everything. What are
mom and dad like? What's your history?
Speaker 6 (20:59):
Like?
Speaker 1 (21:00):
Are you mature? Do you come from money? Are you driven?
Are you responsible? I mean justin Herbert's a four to
two college major and was a tutor in biology. I
made one call and the people at Oregon were like,
nobody liked that kid. He is ready to run a franchise.
So I think with Johnny, it's just like he acknowledges
he didn't want ready for it.
Speaker 2 (21:20):
All right, let's move to the NBA. Big news here.
Trey Young has been out since February tearing a ligament
in his pinky, but according to WoDES, Trey Young may
return tonight. Now this is a big news for the
playoffs because we know Trey Young's history. He got the
Hawks or the conference finals. He is deadly in the
play in. This is a guy who can carry Atlanta
places Colin if he returns. Currently, Atlanta is the ten
(21:43):
seed in the East. They would face your Chicago Bulls.
I think that's obviously a Hawk's win in the first
playing game, and then adding fuel to it. There are
multiple reports, including Mark Stein, who you previously work with,
that either Trey Young or Dejanta Murray's getting traded out
of Atlanta season.
Speaker 1 (22:00):
I think the Lakers need what Trey Young provides, shot making, playmaking.
They are too Lebron relying on that way. WHOA okay,
I'm I would give up everybody but Lebron and a
d everybody.
Speaker 2 (22:16):
You're moving on Austin Reeves absolutely, Tree Young, absolutely, not
even a question.
Speaker 1 (22:22):
He's a better creator, he's a better athlete.
Speaker 2 (22:25):
So you're starting that court is D'Angelo Russell, who's a
pass I'm.
Speaker 1 (22:28):
Moving off that. I my my my back court is
essentially Lebron and Trey Young. This team does not have
enough shot creators. He's a four, Trey Young is a one. A.
Speaker 2 (22:43):
You know, I thought's your theory with the small guard.
You can't have him at.
Speaker 1 (22:46):
One time out. You can't build the Steph Curry you can.
Speaker 2 (22:50):
That's rare, Jaylen Brunson, can you.
Speaker 1 (22:53):
I'm I'm starting to believe, Jason, you have said repeatedly
you can't. The history shows you that out of a
Steph Curry. If your best player is a small guard,
Isaiah Thomas did it, but that team had Chuck Daalien
was great. Steph Curry's done it. Jalen Brunson's making me
start believe. The maturity, the intensity, the scoring is better
than I ever thought it would be. I mean, he's
(23:14):
a he's a he's a big time score. Trey Young
to the Lakers, I would start over. I mean, give them,
give them some expiring contracts, give them some size. In Atlanta,
we've went over this, Donovan Mitchell.
Speaker 2 (23:27):
If the cat's crater and they are really struggling.
Speaker 1 (23:29):
With I would take Trey Young over Donovan Mitchell. I
am in the minority on that. I think Trey is
I like and I think Donovan's fine. I would take
Trey Young over Donovan Mitchell. I am in the minority
on that, But I think Trey Young not a good defender.
AD protects the ten. Uh sometimes he can be squarely,
(23:51):
he won't with Lebron, James, Lebron, Trey Young, and Ad
Denver meet your match. I think they're really good. I
think that I like.
Speaker 2 (24:02):
Trey Young a lot. I don't you don't I down you,
I do. I like with.
Speaker 1 (24:07):
Lebron, I like him a lot.
Speaker 2 (24:08):
Now, no, there's no butts. I like Trey Young. The
Donovan Mitchell one is fascinating. Let's see what happens with
so many. You know that the playoffs dictate the offseason, right,
If Trey Young gets hot and carries him into the
series against Boston, maybe they win a game against Boston.
I don't know. Trey Young doll out of value. Donovan
Mitchell and the Cats crater we all think he's out
of there.
Speaker 1 (24:27):
You know what I'm gonna I'm gonna get a hold
of Lebron's people and ask them Donovan Mitchell or Trey
that's a great ques. A lot of it's fit, A
lot of it's fit. I think you guy, Trey Young
is very close with with like Draymond Green. Draymond's very
close with Lebron.
Speaker 2 (24:48):
I'm not you know, I'm out. And Draymond I know
he's your boy.
Speaker 1 (24:52):
First half, last hand. Oh god, he's three points specialist, right,
I call him Radar Green anyway, Wow, beautiful shooting. So
I think Trey Young is liked by the Lebron group
and the Draymond group. I think Draymond doesn't have a
group necessarily, but I think Trey is in that circle
(25:12):
of guys they like.
Speaker 4 (25:14):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (25:14):
Final story is the Master's Tease Off tomorrow from Augusta,
and Tiger Woods is going to be there, teeing up
for the twenty sixth time in Augusta, his first major
appearance since the last year's event. Tiger believes he can
still take home another green jacket.
Speaker 7 (25:30):
If everything comes together. I think I can get one more.
I still think that I can. I haven't gotten to
that point where I don't think I can't. I heard
every day. Yeah, yes, I ache. No, I ache every day.
As far as my physicality on certain shots, every shot
(25:53):
that's not on the tea box is it's a challenge
isn't that crazy?
Speaker 2 (26:00):
What that he's forty eight or well, I mean it's
just he's still golfing.
Speaker 1 (26:03):
Is that it hurts every shot? What sport in the
world would that be good? If you every swing in
baseball hurt, you should retire.
Speaker 2 (26:13):
But it's golf.
Speaker 1 (26:14):
Yes, golf's hard. You think golf's easy.
Speaker 2 (26:18):
I mean it's not easy.
Speaker 1 (26:19):
A lot of torque on your body.
Speaker 2 (26:21):
Let's free frame that. It's a difficult sport to play.
But it's not like labor intensive, is it?
Speaker 4 (26:27):
Dude?
Speaker 2 (26:27):
Do you think golf like?
Speaker 1 (26:28):
Well, I think golf is a sport of intensity and repetition.
That's why all golfers at forty five. Their backs are bad,
their wrists are bad, their shoulders are It's just repetition.
So I don't think it's as physically daunting as hockey.
But I think it has its own level of intensity.
Speaker 2 (26:43):
Oh every sport does. But like NFL, different animal, NBA, different.
Speaker 1 (26:47):
Ansa nobody's tackling, you know, Phil Michelson.
Speaker 2 (26:50):
Okay, how about this one? Baseball or golf which is
more physically taxing. And I think about it for a moment.
Speaker 1 (26:55):
Because well, it depends on your position. If I if
I'm shortstop or I'm catching with all that. Okay, Catchers Saturday.
Speaker 2 (27:02):
Day game, but yeah, Saturday is different. Catcher is different.
Speaker 1 (27:04):
Let me let me ask you this, though. You ever
played golf four rounds of intense golf, four hours around
with amateurs the first day in the heat of the summer.
You tell me that's no, of course, it's that's all
that is. These pro golfers many they look their age.
Speaker 2 (27:21):
Just so you know that he ain't carrying his bag. Okay,
he's not carrying his bag for eighteen. I just I
don't know how physically taxing it is. Obviously it's it's taxing,
but it's like.
Speaker 1 (27:30):
I'm not saying it's a Tour de France. That's not
what I'm saying. Okay, but I think all this stuff
is the equipment's doing some of the work. This isn't
even Nascar. You sit in the car, you're wearing that suit,
distress of literally.
Speaker 2 (27:43):
You die more physically taxing than I.
Speaker 1 (27:45):
Think NASCAR is.
Speaker 2 (27:46):
Yeah, I just, yeah, I got to play more golf.
I guess I'm not. It's a rare sport.
Speaker 1 (27:51):
I'm not great at I think I think four rounds
of golf, but a major is taxing.
Speaker 2 (27:57):
I can think of two hundred and ninety seven things
I do rather than play four rounds of golf in
four days, Like, come.
Speaker 1 (28:03):
On, you know what's not taxing frisbee golf?
Speaker 2 (28:08):
You played frisbee golf?
Speaker 1 (28:09):
Well in between my hacky sack matches? Yeah, what are
we gonna play? Pig pog? I gotta life pig POGs.
Speaker 2 (28:17):
So I'm getting a table. By the way, I talked
the wife.
Speaker 1 (28:19):
Into it, I'm getting another dog. So it's always, oh real,
what kind? It's not information for the the audience.
Speaker 2 (28:26):
When I said walking a dog in the rain is terrible,
I had so many people listening to this show. You
gotta get this dog umbrella. You gotta get this dog raincoat.
Speaker 1 (28:34):
The very few things in life bring me more joy
than being around my dog.
Speaker 2 (28:38):
My dog's amazing.
Speaker 1 (28:39):
I love Buddy Jay Mack with the news.
Speaker 3 (28:42):
Well that's the news, and thanks for stopping by the
herd Line News.
Speaker 1 (28:47):
Yos. If I don't see Yosi for a while and
I see her, she cries. I mean like literally she'll cry.
My wife's like I can't go in the house. I
can't listen to my dogs cry. It's too sad for me.
It's the way my family is. My family doesn't cry
and they see me or when I leave dogs. Yeah, family.
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our two hour show. We never get to everything, honestly,
because this guy is over promising things we never have
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Speaker 6 (29:44):
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be good at it because you've been over promising women
for years.
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Speaker 1 (30:23):
So Draymond Green had Clay Thompson, who got a big
night last night for the Warriors, on his podcast recently,
The Draymond Green Show, and it was interesting. There was
a kind of a poignant moment where Draymond is asking Clay,
who's a free agent? Here? Pretty soon he was asking
him about his pending free agency.
Speaker 3 (30:45):
I was actually struggling with that a lot in the
beginning of this year because of the unknown you know,
I mean, I might have led contract situations or playing
time or choosing making up a lot of excuses rather
than just appreciate it what is in front of me
and saying that when it comes to free agency in July,
(31:06):
I just got to keep that in mind, like, yes,
I want to resign with the Doves, but I also
prioritize my mental health and layout what is important to
me at this point in my career.
Speaker 1 (31:17):
So he has had a great April and a really
good last three months. And what Clay is doing usage rate, minutes, points,
field goal percentage. So you know, he battled with it
knowing that the Splash Brothers could end, and now he's
sort of gotten through that little therapy maybe and all
of a sudden last three months, he was so valuable
(31:37):
last night And I said this earlier. Is that watching
that game, it's as if look at that passed by Curry.
It is as if the Warriors coaching staff is sending
a message upstairs, guys, we know Orlando's going to offer
a fortune. We can't pay that, but he has real
value on this team. You didn't take anything from last night.
Speaker 2 (31:56):
I think you're just Westen. You're my guy, obviously, Like
I think you're overreacting to a nice stretch run three
three months, Okay, great, wonderful.
Speaker 1 (32:06):
Why is he all of a sudden playing all these
minutes and getting all his usage.
Speaker 2 (32:11):
That's a great question. I don't have an answer to that.
I just let's be real, Okay, last couple of years
he's trending down the playoffs. It's been a little he's
expensive and keeping that core together to finish tenth in
the West or ninth and be in the play in
I just don't think it's worth I'm moving off Clay,
I'm moving off Raymond, I'm keeping Curry. But that they're
(32:32):
never going to do that.
Speaker 1 (32:33):
You can't move off Draymond. Of course, it is very
good play.
Speaker 2 (32:36):
You can finished in tenth in the West and deal
with Draymond's antics and fights. Suspension, What do you mean,
I'm basically suspended by the league for being such a clown. Well,
it's not being harsh, that's real talk like he's stomping out.
Uh what's his bonus punching out?
Speaker 1 (32:52):
What's the state those guys need? Oh?
Speaker 2 (32:54):
The European guys. Yeah, pick on someone who's not European
and soft.
Speaker 1 (32:59):
Go for it, dreamon, Come on. This team now is
a great road team. They were abysmal last year. Why
do you think that? Is that the disruptive player wasn't Draymon.
It was Jordan's.
Speaker 2 (33:10):
Oh here we go with the Jordan pool back, and.
Speaker 1 (33:12):
The enforcer had to make a stand for the entire
team because Stephen Clay are not the kind of guys
that want to dust up. So Draymond always been the
bouncer of the franchise said, sometimes a bencher, sometimes you
gotta get a little physical. Is the bouncer of the team. Now,
Jordan was the bouncer on his team and the best player. No,
it doesn't work like that mostly.
Speaker 2 (33:32):
So have you seen the Patrick Swayze movie Roadhouse? No,
they call the bouncer the cooler. He that's right, settles
things down. The Roadhouse remake, Jake Jillenhall, it's not bad.
You should check it out on whatever it's on. I
just can't ride with you. After he punched out sucker
punched a teammate, I just cant no.
Speaker 1 (33:51):
I mean it wasn't in the back. I mean they
were talking trash and things happen.
Speaker 2 (33:54):
He's your teammate. You and I talk between segments all
the time. If you came up to me when he
just slugged.
Speaker 1 (34:00):
Me, depend on your per dependent on your take I mean,
you know, some of your takes are a little hot.
I may be disruptive.
Speaker 2 (34:11):
Yeah, I guess you're right. And I mean he was
talking trash. Some of the trash talk that he gave
for me.
Speaker 1 (34:16):
I mean you heard, you heard.
Speaker 2 (34:17):
I forget who the rapper was. It was bad, it
was it was really aggressive. And I'm not coming in
hot like that to you. I mean, I'm we're we're
having fun.
Speaker 1 (34:25):
Some of your KD takes, though, got me all broiled up.
I can't. I can't. I will say this, cannot believe
the number of the day, which is unbelievable. I didn't
watch it. The Sun's trailed at home last night, thirty
five to four. That isn't That is a bad high
school game in the seventies. Who how in God's name
(34:46):
can a k D Booker team trail thirty five to four?
You're not ready to play.
Speaker 2 (34:53):
No heart in no kawai either last night.
Speaker 1 (34:56):
It may be. And the other number that happened last night,
the Boss and Celtics became the first teaming league history
to not have a single free throw on the same night.
The two most ridiculous stats I've ever.
Speaker 2 (35:09):
Heard April basketball. It's fantastic in the NBA. That's what
it is, is it. Who's the guy who scored fifty
points the other night, Melcha?
Speaker 1 (35:18):
So he was the out of the blue guy.
Speaker 2 (35:20):
Fifty points, that's a lot.
Speaker 1 (35:22):
In the NBA.
Speaker 2 (35:23):
He's averaged like a four points a game on.
Speaker 1 (35:25):
In April, which is it's a difference.
Speaker 2 (35:28):
Not reading too much into it.
Speaker 1 (35:30):
That's my job to reach into it. Read too much
into it.
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