April 11, 2024 • 39 mins
Breaking news on Shoehi Onthani and his former interpreter Ippei Mizuhara
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Guest: Dane Brugler
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Speaker 1 (00:26):
All right, here we go our three. A little breaking news.
The Feds, the Feds, the Justice system just held a
press conference show. Hey, Otania, the Dodgers did not lose
four and a half million. He got robbed of sixteen
million dollars by his interpreter and Otani, and we predicted
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this had no idea. Otani gave his phone to the Feds.
He said, here, it is Justice Department, have my phone.
I got nothing to hide, and they went digging and
it wasn't Otani. Now I know you all love your
conspiracy theories, but my takeaway has been even the average
successful person in America has no idea how entertainment stars live.
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And then you have two different countries seven ten, twelve
revenue streams. Otani's not an accountant. He's not an American
kid whose dad's in the market. He is from a
foreign land, he comes to America, he relies on a
lot of people in this country to be honest and
have integrity, and the one that was closest to him
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screwed him. By the way, a lot of athletes and
actors in my life have been hosed. Billy Joel lost
eighty million, Robert de Niro in some I think it
was Art lost eighty eight million, Kevin Garnett, Tim Duncan
kareem taken for a right. And these are smart people.
So how do you get money from a rich person.
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You get close to them. You don't give it to
a stranger. So it looks like Otawi. And this was
my takeaway. I was listening to media people talk about
you wouldn't notice a bank account. He doesn't look at
his bank account. I guarantee he's got six of them.
I don't know a lot of rich people, but I've
known a few celebrities. They hand their finances over to people.
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They get a monthly stipend, they get a monthly check
sent to their financial advisor, and then you cross your
fingers that your accountant's not a creep and that your
interpreter's not a bad guy. But I've watched athletes my
whole life. I mean, I've been interviewing athletes, and it's
remarkable how often athletes trust people with their worth, their
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net worth. It's shocking to me. I mean, I've got
like six different I'm not rich. I've got a bunch
of people that I have in my life and I've
had forever. But they all kind of check on each
other just in case somebody goes sideways gets into trouble.
I have a series of you know, people checking on people,
not because I don't like him or trust them, but
that's what you gotta do. But a lot o Tani
comes from another country, doesn't speak the language. You cross
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your fingers that you The people in America that have
been surrounded him were hired to help him, are ethical,
and when money gets involved, people get crazy. When love
and money get involved, like sex and money change people.
I'm sorry, I've known good people that have done horrible things.
Sex and money change people. And it looks like he
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just got robbed a sixteen large Now the Feds called
the press conference, and to Otani's credit, he gave him
their phone, He gave him his phone, just said you guys.
Just do what you guys gotta do. That sounds like
an innocent guy to me. A lot of people bury
the phone. He didn't. What do you make of it?
Speaker 3 (03:36):
Yeah, no, I'm I'm I'm bum there I read. I'm
just like disgusted.
Speaker 4 (03:40):
This guy was like major creep, took advantage of Otani sixteen.
Speaker 3 (03:45):
Million dollars sixteen just robbed.
Speaker 4 (03:47):
He was impersonating Otani on the phone with bank officials.
This stuff is really disgusting. I mean, this guy, he
deserves to go to jail for a long time.
Speaker 1 (03:55):
Yeah, and the other thing. And again, a lot of this.
You're gonna have it in the update a little bit. Yeah,
we'll have more information, but it's uh. I just think
you have to remember that creatives, athletes, artists, singers, they
have the opposite brain of an accountant. They are creators,
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and this is not what they do. Well. Some of
the smartest people in Hollywood have been taken for a ride. Yeah,
and it's not that they're naive or they don't care.
They're not into it for the money. They're into it
for the art. Oh, Tani's into it for the baseball.
He's not sitting there counting as checks and be careful
about saying, well, I know every penny well you make,
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you know, sixty grand a year, or maybe you make
a lot of money. You're not signing a five hundred
million dollars I mean, O, Tani's worth more than companies
in America, successful small companies.
Speaker 4 (04:48):
This was like his closest friend for like six years.
Their families traveled together. You don't expect your boy to
rob you blind of sixteen million dollar like this is
really again, I feel awful for Otani.
Speaker 3 (04:58):
I know people are gonna pay him as stupid and
oh he's paying attention. It's really just it's just a dirty,
ugly story.
Speaker 1 (05:04):
I mean, listen, we've had institutions, the Catholic Church, like
institutions we view as foundationally moral, do horrible things to children.
You don't think an interpreter would do it to a
baseball player. I mean again, we've had foundational schools, churches,
people that we believe we can tell secrets to. You know,
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you go and you repent your sins, and you don't
think they talk. You don't think of the occasional psychologist talks.
Doctors are supposed to keep thinking people talk. That's why
you have laws and regulations and Hippy. You know, you
have all these laws to protect the average person from professionals.
And you know, Otani's sitting there thinking, I got a
good guy. He'll help me out sixteen million, Mike, could
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you get it back? I guess not. He Now you
know the next stage of this is conspiracy theory guy.
Speaker 4 (05:56):
No, no, those guys are it's over. There's no nothing
to be conspiracy about.
Speaker 3 (06:00):
There's nothing.
Speaker 4 (06:00):
Otani is cleared. I don't want to hear, well, well,
how did this guy get that much money? He was
talking he was talking to bank about so.
Speaker 1 (06:07):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (06:08):
But and if he were Otani, he was lying.
Speaker 4 (06:10):
He was changing accounts, so Otani would not get alerts
on his phone about his bank.
Speaker 3 (06:14):
Account like he was doing that. Otani's in the clear.
The conspiracy guy can shut the hell up like this.
Speaker 1 (06:19):
But you know, and there's a big chunk of America.
I think the election's rigged. We know it's not. But
the idea that the conspiracy theory group, the theorists are
are leaving. I mean, you have stuff on. It doesn't
matter if it's nine to eleven January sixth elections.
Speaker 3 (06:39):
The moon landing come out.
Speaker 1 (06:40):
I mean no, no, no, no, the crazy town now is
going to say what about this? This this the story
that's coming out. And listen, the Feds came out and
just laid it out that this kid got robbed. It's
just awful. It's just now. Now. The good news is,
well good news, I guess the most almost all his
mon he's gotten pushed down the road, right right, right, so,
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and I think they will meet, hopefully they can retrieve
some but his contract. The Dodgers have done something that
is very unique in professional sports. I don't even know
if it's legal in other sports, but in baseball, they
just pushed all the salaries down the road. Will Smith
O TAWNI I think monkey bets. Maybe I'm wrong on that.
So the Dodgers push their money down the road, so
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he not most ninety percent of his money he hasn't
seen yet. So that's the really good news. And the
other thing is he's he seems like and again this
is me being naive, but I just I've seen enough
of Otani and talked enough about him, and no people
that know him, he seems like a really good kid.
I mean, when when when when some bad stuff happens
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to athletes I can make a call you. You and
I can make a call to an agent, and you
find out very quickly if a guy is a creep.
It doesn't take us long. In the world in which
we live, you know, we both have agents and representatives.
We work at big networks. We can kind of find
out if a guy is You know, there's there's a
reason certain baseball players get kicked out of the sport
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and are not let back in. Like you, there's a
lot of knowledge that doesn't get to the public. That's
a bad guy, that's a bad person. Boy, it's hard
to find anybody with O Tawny that had a bad
word to say about him, and you'd think there'd be
a lot of jealousy and International Baseball star boy people
say nice things about.
Speaker 4 (08:24):
Him, by all accounts, a really good guy, just god
hoodwinked by someone he thought was like his best friend.
Speaker 3 (08:30):
I don't know, this is kind of a story of greed.
Speaker 4 (08:33):
But also, and I hate to say this column, but like,
it's tough to trust people when you hear a story
like this, it's really tough to I don't know, I
don't I'm one of these like trust nobody.
Speaker 3 (08:44):
I know that's like an X files line, but like.
Speaker 4 (08:46):
It's tough to trust people when someone's taking advantage of
you like that. It's just seeing that that story.
Speaker 3 (08:51):
Like it was his buddy, that was his right hand man. Yeah,
I don't know one more.
Speaker 2 (08:55):
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Speaker 1 (09:04):
I've said for years, if I have very strong opinions
on the draft, then it's coming from a GM or
a scouting director or a scout. I like Bo Nicks,
but the scouts don't love him, so I'm probably wrong
on that. I love Caleb Williams and they love him too.
But through the years, I've leaned on people that just
have more access than I do. And Dane Brugler is
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about as good as anybody that does this. NFL guy
at the Athletic. He just released the Beast four hundred
scouting reports. You just have to go get it. You
just have to go download it. Two thousand prospects. So
it's basically I said, I'm agnostic. So it's my bible. Okay,
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it's my bible. I'm gonna read this thing I strongly
encourage you to. So let's start with this. We're in
the nit picking season, and you know that was I
remember Phil Simms saying about Andrew Luck, I don't love
it arm, and I'm like, Phil, give me a break.
He's got a good enough arm. And I love Phil.
But with Caleb Williams, there is one criticism Dane that
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I heard and I kind of bought into that he
can at times lean into the spectacular. And I'm like,
that's a college thing. So you talk. I mean, you
did this, you went, you did submarine work, you dove
a mile deep. Are there legit concerns that aren't nitpicking?
Where guys on Caleb have worries.
Speaker 5 (10:30):
Where there's no such thing as a perfect prospect, right,
all these guys have some areas where they can improve.
For me, with Caleb, the biggest area I want to
see him get better is actually the fumbles. Thirty three
fumbles over the last three years. And you know, he
takes care of the ball through the air. Over the
last two years at USC, two hundred pass attempts on
third or fourth down, zero interception.
Speaker 6 (10:52):
Wow.
Speaker 5 (10:53):
But over the last three years in college he has
thirty three fumbles, and so he leads all of college
football and touchdowns one hundred and twenty, but he also
leads college football fumbles, and so ball security must get better.
I do think that there are times where he will
search for the home run instead of taking the single
or the double. But at other times, when you're watching
the film, you understand why he's doing that. He has
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rare football awareness. He understands what the defense is trying
to do. He understands where his protection is, where the
pressure is coming from. And so I think there's a
method to the madness. It's not just Caleb running around
and playing backyard football. He knows what he's doing out
there to move the chains and be a creator. So
with Caleb, I do think, you know, you put a
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crazy play on Twitter and everyone all that won't work
at the NFL level. He's doing these for a reason
more times than not. Either it's third down in his
running back ran three yards when he's supposed to run
four yards at the sticks, or there's a safety lurking
and about to drive on the throw. I mean, there's
always a reason to why he's trying to move platforms,
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throw from off schedule. Well, so yeah, he has rare
football awareness and I think that's something that will translate
pretty well to the NFL game.
Speaker 1 (12:05):
So I like JJ McCarthy, but I mean when I
watched Michigan, not just this year but last, I like
the coach, the O line, the defense, the corners. I
never said, and JJ McCarthy he feels like a top
five pick. Now that position gets overdrafted, and frankly, probably
it's okay based on the point value and what they're worth.
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With McCarthy, my take is, though it feels Alabama like
never trails, great run game, unbelievable protection. That's not the
NFL world. These Alabama guys come in and it's like, yeah,
you don't lead, you have the second best coach, you
have a bad old line. How do you view him?
And are those credible criticisms by me? No?
Speaker 3 (12:51):
Of course.
Speaker 5 (12:52):
Do you want more of a body of work from
JJ McCarthy, Absolutely, and that's certainly fair. But I think
and it's just the way the offense was built. They
wanted to win in the trenches, they wanted to win
with the ground game, and who are we'd argue they
won the National Championship doing it that way.
Speaker 2 (13:08):
But I don't know.
Speaker 5 (13:09):
I'm a big ten guy, and so watching Ohio State
just demolish Michigan the last twenty years. But then when
JJ came in, it just felt a little bit different.
Speaker 2 (13:17):
Sure, if they had a.
Speaker 5 (13:18):
Quarterback that on third down, fourth down, he could go
make a play when they needed him to. So do
I wish there were more plays where he was winning
down the field, absolutely, But when he was called upon,
especially you watched the Alabama tape from the Rose Bowl,
third fourth down, he went and made a play. And
so I'm very encouraged by what he was asked to
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do on those crunch time throws. And I know, look,
fans roll their eyes at the quarterback win loss record.
Teams care about it, So I care about it. And
in high school thirty six and two with a state championship,
in college twenty seven and one with a national championship.
That's the intangible factor with JJ. McCarthy has won over
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a lot of coaches and you look at his game.
He has the tools, he has the ability, the intangibles
check that box and so for a lot of teams
you can understand why they want to target a guy
like JJ McCarthy. And to your point, there's a quarterback tax, right,
If he's the twenty first best player in this draft,
you're not getting him at pick twenty one. You're gonna
have to trade up to go get him. And if
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you're the Vikings at eleven, you're not gonna be.
Speaker 2 (14:24):
Able to sit put.
Speaker 5 (14:25):
Whether you have to worry about the Giants at six,
you have to worry about the Broncos or the Raiders
trading up in front of you. So there's a good
chance we do see quarterbacks go four in the top six,
and who knows, maybe even one, two, three, four, which
has never happened before.
Speaker 1 (14:40):
You know, as sports get more based on analytics, that
we don't fall for just players that are esthetically pleasing.
I mean, Jokish doesn't jump. Lucas not a slam dunk machine,
but they just always get their shot. So analytics has
changed the sex appeal, the slam dunk champ. We used
to just fall for it. I fell for it, you know,
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Michael Pennix. The optics is so pretty. It's just the
prettiest ball. But you have him graded second third round.
You have him six of the top six quarterbacks, and
it's hard for me. I grew up a Husky fan.
I watch him live and I'm like, that is the
prettiest deed ball, that's like two zero with arm strength, Like,
that's gorgeous. But you don't love him and you got
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second third round. Great, that's almost Kenny pickett ish, Like,
what is the concern here?
Speaker 5 (15:29):
I think there are several aspects of his game that
are just inconsistent. The anticipation, the way he deals with pressure.
And I think the perfect example the college football playoffs.
You watch him against Texas, a very vanilla defense, and
he knew what was coming, he knew how to beat
the defense, and he put probably the best game he's
ever played on tape in that game. But then the
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flip side against Michigan, a defense that really mixed up
what they were doing out there. He didn't know where
the pressure was coming from, the coverage was tight, and
he really struggled. And so I think it's a really
interesting juxtaposition with those two games, those two tapes. What's
the NFL going to show you. It's not the Texas game.
He's going to see a lot more Michigans at the
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next level. And it's not to say that I dislike
Michael Penix, the mental toughness. That's going to win over
teams for sure. But if you're going to draft a
quarterback in the first round top twenty five, you're telling
me that you think he's going to be a top
twelve ish quarterback in the NFL at some point on
his rookie contract. And I just I can't get there
with Bo Nix or Michael Pennox where I see them
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as a top twelve to fifteen quarterback in the NFL.
They can start, they have the ability to start at
the next level. But if I'm going to invest a
first round pick on a quarterback, I want to I
have to firmly believe he will be a top twelve
to fifteen quarterback in the NFL at some point during
his rookie contract.
Speaker 1 (16:50):
His annual draft guide is called The Beast. It was
released Wednesday at the Athletic DP Brugler four hundred scouting reports,
nearly two thousand aspects. Now, in my recent memory, the
two receivers that I looked at and thought, oh, yeah,
that's gonna be great, guaranteed, Randy Moss Calvin Johnson, I
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just said, that's a that's a. Now, Jamar Chase was
close to it where I felt like I was watching
a pro football player just playing on Saturdays, but he
wasn't Randy and Calvin. Marvin Harrison to me, is like
Calvin Johnson, Like that's a prof He would be a
top ten twelve receiver right now. Maybe I'm being hyperbolic,
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but I mean when you look at him, like, what's
the flaw? Tell me what I I'm supposed to not lie,
I just I to me, he's maybe not as dynamic
as Randy Moss, but I don't see how he doesn't
star immediately in the league.
Speaker 5 (17:48):
It's hard not to be hyperbolic when you talk about
him because so many areas of his game are well
above average. And what you love about him is, yeah,
he has size. He's six over six three two ten,
and he has athleticism. Even though he didn't test, he
would have run in the four fours. His agilities would
have been very good. But what you love about him
is his savvy. Like if you talk to him about
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route running, he dislikes running fades or go routes or
posts because he wants to show off his route running,
his ability to sink and separate and do these different things.
And then at the catch point. That's where he really
shines his ability to adjust outside his frame. And he
reminds me of Larry Fitzgerald with the knack for slowing
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the ball down. And I know that doesn't make sense
in terms of physics, but if you watch Chris Carter,
you watch Larry Fitzgerald, they had that unique ability to
slow the ball down at the catch point, to frame
it and make the completion happen. So if we're gonna
nitpick him, I do you know he's only two hundred
and ten pounds. He's not two thirty like Calvin was,
or even two twenty like Julio Jones was. And I
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think that he's when you look at the playing the
receiver position, there's three components. There's getting open, there's catching
the ball, and then there's creating after the catch. He's
really good at the first two, not so much with
that third one. He has not been a yack monster
at the college level, and so in terms of making
guys miss and breaking tackles, that's not necessarily his game. Now,
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if you give him a slant in a runway, he'll
take it, but he's not going to break a lot
of tackles. So if we have to nitpick Marvin Harrison Junior.
That would be my concern with him.
Speaker 1 (19:23):
Dane. I know you're proud, and you should be. This
is just great. It's called The Beast, it's the Athletic.
I strongly encourage you to sign up for it. The
athletics got great great journalism, great insight. I live on
the thing every day, Dane is always it's a pleasure.
You're busy, go hang out with your family. You've spent
the last year going a mile deep on this stuff.
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You can just when you read it, you just see
how much work you did. Congrats on this project.
Speaker 5 (19:49):
Yeah, thanks so much, calling anytime.
Speaker 1 (19:51):
All right, Dane does great work. The Beast and that's
the perfect name for it. That thing came out yesterday
and it's like I'm getting texts. I'm like with buddies,
I'm like, this is this is the guy. This is
the guy. All right, jamak with the news.
Speaker 2 (20:08):
Turn on the news. This is the herd Line news
all right.
Speaker 4 (20:13):
Just to understand, So the Otani story broke like thirty
minutes ago, thirty five minutes ago, and there's a lot
to take in. Okay, there's thirty seven page The document
is thirty seven pages that the Fed's released, so we're
still combing through it. There's crazy stuff in there. I
don't know how much of us I should try to
read on air. Go ahead because okay, okay, So anyways,
the big picture is this former interpreter stole more than
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sixteen million dollars from Shoheyotani, and he's being charged with
bank fraud, which can carry a maximum of one million
dollars and.
Speaker 3 (20:43):
Up to thirty years in prison.
Speaker 1 (20:45):
Yep, all right, So.
Speaker 4 (20:48):
There's so many crazy ones calling here. I'm getting them
on my phone. So this is one note in two
thousand and twenty one that I'm sorry twenty twenty three
that Otani's interpreter I had not paid.
Speaker 3 (21:00):
The amount to the bookmaker.
Speaker 4 (21:02):
The bookmaker sent him a text message, Hey, it's two
o'clock on Friday.
Speaker 3 (21:07):
I don't know why you're not returning my calls.
Speaker 4 (21:09):
I'm here in Newport Beach and I see Otani walking
his dog. I'm just gonna go up and talk to
him and ask how I can get in touch with you.
Since you're not responding, please call me back immediately. Like,
there are all these messages from the interpreter to the
book maker that this guy was delinquent and not paying
his bets. He started to funnel money from Otani, set
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up a separate bank account. Otani's agent was like, hey,
what is this account. The interpreter goes, that's an account
Otani wants separate. He doesn't want anybody having access to it.
The agent's asked repeatedly about this separate account. Meanwhile, what
the guy was doing was setting up money to steal
from Otani and pay Colin.
Speaker 3 (21:47):
This story is CD.
Speaker 4 (21:48):
It's gross. A lot more is gonna come out in
like the next eight hours. The stuff is just mind blowing.
How bad he got taken to the woodshit here, I.
Speaker 1 (21:56):
Feel now it's time for the conspiracy wackos. There they come, Well,
the Dodgers, the Angels, Otani, they're people that need to
feel that they've got information that the rest of us don't.
That's that's conspiracy theorists. That's hey, I've got stuff the
media doesn't have. Here they come.
Speaker 4 (22:15):
The big sticker for Otani is you know, he's gotta
get asked about this.
Speaker 3 (22:18):
I would say, he don't address it. This is personal.
I got robbed of sixteen mine. I don't want to
talk about this. I don't.
Speaker 4 (22:24):
I got a baseball season to focus on. I just
hope it does, and it's tough to say it would.
I hope it doesn't impact him as a player, because
he's one of the greats in the game, should lead
the Dodgers.
Speaker 1 (22:33):
Again, of his money, he hasn't been paid. The mental thing,
you know, well, yeah, I know, but I think they're sure.
Athletes are usually great at compartmentalizing. Hopefully that you know,
when you go to the stadium, Dodger Stadium, you're you're
you're out there to be with your teams. I think
in the in the locker room. I think this will
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engender him to other teammates. I think you'd feel I mean,
if he was my teammate, I feel terrible for him.
I would too, Yeah, I would feel off.
Speaker 3 (23:03):
He's gonna need a support system.
Speaker 4 (23:04):
One last one pulled from the thirty seven page complaint.
Between December twenty twenty one and January twenty twenty four,
the interpreter placed approximately nineteen thousand wagers Jesus I.
Speaker 3 (23:20):
Ran the numbers.
Speaker 4 (23:20):
That's over twenty four bets a day consistently for twenty
six months.
Speaker 3 (23:24):
He lost nearly forty million dollars.
Speaker 4 (23:27):
Now, this is one that I'm sure the conspiracy theorists
are gonna say, nineteen thousand bets and none on baseball.
According to this, no bets on baseball games by the interpreter.
But you know, people are gonna say, how can you
make all these bets and not one on baseball?
Speaker 3 (23:39):
You can't. It's almost impossible to place nineteen thousand wagers
well baseball every day for like eight months.
Speaker 1 (23:45):
Yeah, but I gotta tell you something. I know a
lot of gamblers none bet baseball. It is college basketball,
college football, pro football, golf, Like like my, the guys
that I know, they just have a life. They don't
want to be shit watching the Cincinnati Reds for four hours.
So a lot of people just don't bet baseball. That's
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the no life crowd. So I and also maybe the
interpreter was smart enough and had enough decency to go,
I'm gonna beat, but I'm not gonna get I'm not
betting baseball because I know I'd get in trouble with that.
There are people can be awful but not but have
a soft spots. I mean, it's possible the interpreters like,
I'm not betting baseball so I don't want to raise
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red flags in this sport. That would get all of
us in trouble. So this is just me. Maybe he
validates in his mind, I'm not betting baseball. I'm betting football.
It's not as bad.
Speaker 4 (24:36):
I would hope you're right. Some conspiracy theorists might argue
the dude.
Speaker 3 (24:39):
Was down forty million. He is in the baseball locker
room every day.
Speaker 4 (24:43):
I'm sure he's trying to use that knowledge to gain
an edge. But so far, thirty seven pages no bets
on baseball according to the Feds.
Speaker 1 (24:51):
This is the Feds. It's not baseball.
Speaker 3 (24:53):
He's a baseball investigator. This is a fence. Next up
the Lakers and Warriors.
Speaker 4 (24:58):
They appear locked into the play tournament and they might
meet as nine and ten seeds. Stephan Golden State have
gotten the better of LA this season three and one.
Speaker 3 (25:06):
Although I don't know how much we count Tuesday's.
Speaker 1 (25:09):
Games, I count it completely with excellent gamesmanship by the Warriors.
Oh Ad had the Sniffles, Warriors the Sniffles. The Warriors
not only didn't have a cold, they were not cold.
Yeah so uh, the most historical league history.
Speaker 4 (25:24):
The greatest night ever in three point two, Lebron spoke
about how tough it is to go up against the Warriors.
Speaker 7 (25:28):
That's reps and reps, and reps and reps are actually
guarding something that's uncomfortable. Guarding Steph is uncomfortable. And the
problem with our guys in our league, they're not comfortable
with being uncomfortable. And that's why Steph and Golden State
Walls be relevant because they play an uncomfortable style of play.
Speaker 1 (25:49):
Do you hate that?
Speaker 7 (25:51):
I hate it when you don't have the person going
to match it, I just hate I hate it.
Speaker 3 (25:58):
So that's from Lebron's mind the game podcast. I don't
think they have that much to worry about here.
Speaker 4 (26:04):
If AD's back now, he couldn't sit on the bench
because the lights were too bright.
Speaker 3 (26:08):
That's a bad sign, you know that.
Speaker 1 (26:10):
Hey, I've heard of the record. My perceptive laser vision
noticed this because I had really good seats to the game. Yeah,
I didn't have to guess with binoculars like you. So
when I was there, I noticed something. During warm ups,
Lebron was sweating like crazy. So apparently Lebron was in
bed until the very end and then got like, you know,
(26:32):
drove or somebody drove Lebron to the stadium. I think
it's one of those. So Ad and Lebron were both sick.
I went to the warm ups, I'm by the Laker
bench and I'm like, that's a that's not a pregame sweat.
Lebron dropped thirty three and probably had like one hundred
degree temperature.
Speaker 3 (26:49):
Thirty three, eleven and sec.
Speaker 1 (26:51):
That is his flu game. Honestly, I m James flu
game second tier compared to Lebron Tuesday.
Speaker 3 (26:58):
Imagine if the Utah Jazz could, they could have made
twenty three.
Speaker 4 (27:01):
I mean Jeff Wane a second and John Stocker couldn't
make it.
Speaker 1 (27:03):
No, but I mean he did not look right in warmups.
He didn't. He was heavy sweat. Go get the tape.
Speaker 3 (27:11):
Lakers will win the playing game. Lock that up.
Speaker 4 (27:13):
Final story, the Bears traded Justin Fields to the Steelers
for that conditional sixth rounder, and twenty twenty five wasn't
a big return, but the Bears former director of player
Personnel Josh Lucas revealed why the price was so low.
He said, after three years, there was a lack of
instinct from Fields and that the league was telling them.
Speaker 3 (27:33):
He's viewed as a backup, not a starter.
Speaker 1 (27:37):
That is the word I've heard used. Oh harsh, No,
that's that's Zach Wilson and Justin Fields are the two quarterbacks.
I like Justin Moore that I have said, certain guys
just don't see the field and don't have a feel
for the game at the NFL level. And I think
that's Zach Wilson, who moves well with a good arm,
and that's Justin Field who moves well with a good arm.
(27:59):
There is a feel to the pocket in the NFL,
and the best I've ever seen is mahomes His. I
mean he's got a good arm. Obviously. Some guys they
can hear it, they can sense it, they know it,
and they're just really comfortable in the pocket. And I've
never felt that with Justin Orzak. It's like they hear
(28:23):
things that aren't there, they see things late, and it's
just the word used. There is instincts. He's talented, clearly,
He's big, strong and moves well. He got a good arm,
but there is something to be said about feel for anything.
He'd be a stand up comedian. Some people in front
of crowds, they're better in front of a crowd than
(28:44):
they are practicing their material. They're just better at a
live audience. They just have a feel for it.
Speaker 4 (28:50):
The difficult part about quarterback analysis, why nobody in the
league knows what they're doing, is how do you properly
assess instinct.
Speaker 3 (28:57):
You can't put a number on instinct.
Speaker 4 (28:59):
You just either kind of have it or you don't,
or maybe you might have it, you might develop it.
Who has good instincts in this draft is Caleb Williams
because he seems to.
Speaker 3 (29:07):
Tie it in a lot.
Speaker 1 (29:09):
I think Caleb Williams has great instincts. And Drake Mayon
I don't know, but I've watched more of that. I
think he's got very good instincts. That's what I would
say about Caleb, having watched him more than any of
these quarterbacks. I can't make a judgment on the rest
of them, but there are there are There is something
to be said. I mean, look at how many people
are good looking men and women in Hollywood. They've taken
(29:30):
all the same acting classes. Why are certain people like
Christian Bale there is just an it, There's an instinct
Like I watch him and I'm like, I buy him.
As Dick Cheney, I buy him everything he's in. What
is it he's I mean a lot a lot of
these guys aren't even classically trained, Like what is it
with an actor? It's a feel some people the camera's on,
(29:53):
you're in a room, there's a feel to it. It
can't all be I'm smarter, I'm better looking. Some people
just have it. And I think you know, Caleb's got it.
There you go, j Mack with a news.
Speaker 2 (30:08):
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Line and today, and I'm gonna ask her about our
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Speaker 3 (30:26):
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Speaker 1 (30:27):
Huh, your kids watching you play twenty one for math expertise.
I think it's an out.
Speaker 3 (30:35):
I mean other dads told me about this too, So I.
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Started on the Manster Beach thing.
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like a seven and a six.
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Speaker 1 (32:30):
Spring just got stronger by the way. John Calpari is
the new coach from Kentucky to Arkansas, and so we've
been critical of him through the years, but he very optimistic,
had the right tone. Here's his opening press or for
Arkansas to.
Speaker 6 (32:46):
Do what I was able to do at Kentucky. I
was happy. I mean, I loved it there. My wife
loved it there. You know what, fifteen years I was there,
did everything I could, gave every ounce of everything I could.
And you know what, I'm jacked about another opportunity, Like
I'm like, let's go. Now, I met with the team.
(33:09):
There is no team, but we got to get a
roster together and some of it is a little bit
of everything, but we will, all right, don't have a
problem with that.
Speaker 1 (33:21):
Now, fifteen years won a title. Started hot, really hot, cooled,
not good at the end, but fifteen years of noteworthy
work is fine. He's gonna win a lot of games
at Arkansas. It's not Kentucky as a program, but he'll
get him into the tournament and probably your two. They
got a lot of work to do. But he's a
great recruiter, all right. So the big story today is
show hey O Tani who gave his phone to the Feds,
(33:43):
And now we're getting all the messages. He was robbed
of sixteen and a half million dollars by his interpreter.
There are no baseball bets on this. I never believed
it was O Tawny. I thought he got robbed. I
didn't think they bet baseball. The conspiracy wackos are going
to come out of the woodwork, all the insiders in
Vegas here it comes. Gamblers are a different, you know breed.
(34:05):
So I'm not looking forward to that. Jmac. Some of
the phone messages in this thirty seven page like manifesto
by the Feds. What are you seeing on the phone messages?
Speaker 4 (34:16):
So here's one from the interpreter September twenty fourth, twenty
twenty one. You could probably look up the date to
see what actual match. This is the interpreter message a
book maker. I've just been messing around with soccer. There's
games on twenty four to seven.
Speaker 3 (34:30):
Lol.
Speaker 4 (34:31):
I took UCLA but they lost outright. I mean, this
is the kind of degenerate gambler this guy was. He
just messing around with soccer with Otani's money, betting losing,
doesn't care onto the next I mean this guy was.
Speaker 3 (34:43):
I mean, he's certifiably insane, right, like, just.
Speaker 1 (34:46):
Betting on sports.
Speaker 3 (34:47):
He doesn't even know I'm messing around with soccer. Almost
forty million dollars to the gamblers.
Speaker 1 (34:53):
It's crazy. I get nervous. I mean, I I am
very pro sports gambling. Fifty talks to me, is like,
I feel good about that. Can I hit a two
team parlay one hundred bucks? That's a serious bet. We
both make a nice living. I mean that some people
just you know, there are also some people that are
just more aggressive, more manipulative.
Speaker 3 (35:14):
Well, I mean, if you gave.
Speaker 4 (35:15):
Me a free roll and said, hey, here Jason goes about.
I mean, I would hopefully be able to win some stuff.
Speaker 1 (35:20):
But would you rather have a free bet or a
free steak dinner?
Speaker 3 (35:25):
I would need more informa.
Speaker 1 (35:27):
N I lean it into food.
Speaker 3 (35:29):
Yeah, well, it depends what the bet is. In the
side hold on. Here's another one.
Speaker 4 (35:32):
November fourteen, twenty twenty two. Interpreter message of book maker.
I'm terrible at this support betting thing.
Speaker 3 (35:38):
Huh lol? Any chance you could bump me up again?
Speaker 4 (35:42):
As you know, you don't have to worry about me
not paying. That's from well, you know, basically, the reporters
for MLB are going through all the thirty seven pages
and pulling out some stuff. They got all his text messages.
This guy Stolotany's money and gambled it away and was.
Speaker 1 (35:59):
Terrible at gambling and had was just beyond cavalry.
Speaker 3 (36:04):
Yeah, callous bank fraud, Like this guy's.
Speaker 1 (36:07):
Listen, there are bad people among us, and the bad
doesn't mean murdering people, but there are people without a conscience.
There are really bad people out there, and we've had
them in our church, you know what I mean. We've
had him in our school systems. We've had him in government.
There are bad people out there that just can do
evil things that what they call friends. I don't get
(36:28):
it like that. It's sociopathic. It's it's crazy. You know,
you'll they'll find like this doesn't rise to serial murder.
But I read a lot of books about, you know,
true crime, and a lot of times there's this thing
that all serial killers have where they later acknowledge, yeah,
I just didn't care. I didn't have the I didn't
have the gene that I cared about people Like that's
(36:51):
like a real thing. In the Green River killer in
Washington State, he's like, yeah, I never had empathy. I
just don't have it. And there are people that don't
do terrible things that acknowledge they lack that empathy gene
where they cry they feel bad for others, like like,
you know, it doesn't always end tragically. But this guy
sounds like somebody he is sociopathic, like he just doesn't care.
(37:14):
It's cavalier. It's like, eeah, it's not my money. He's
got a lot of money coming. I don't care. I
don't know how people can do that, but it's it's
out there and it happens all the time with pro
athletes and entertainers. Threw any other good phone message.
Speaker 3 (37:26):
I mean, there's a lot to comb through. I think
tomorrow's show's gonna be really good once you have time
to go through the thirty seven pages. This just broke
what forty five minutes ago, a hour ago?
Speaker 1 (37:35):
We should tell people. O Tawny gave the Feds his phone.
He said, you go, yeah, here it is.
Speaker 3 (37:41):
You're I'm an open book.
Speaker 1 (37:42):
Would you do that if you were give us a hide?
Check my house, check my computer, here's my phone, you
get all of it. That's an innocent man to everybody
except conspiracy guy that's coming.
Speaker 3 (37:57):
Has the jet's quarterback waited on this yet?
Speaker 1 (37:59):
Or no, I'm not gonna get into that.
Speaker 4 (38:01):
I know some people sent me a link to something else.
He said recently on all I'm just yeah, I'm over it.
Speaker 1 (38:06):
Well, I tend to think Conspiracy theorists are people that
think somehow that society doesn't recognize their brilliance, and so
they want to find things where they they have information
that you simply you and I, you know, dim bulbs,
we don't have. So there's a lot of conspiracy theorists
have the biggest egos in the world. They want to
(38:28):
prove that they really have insight. Reddit board guy, that's
and so that's what when you get conspiracy theory, it's
guy that wants to show you the insight that US
commoners don't have instead of actually doing homework. And the
Feds here are not the Dodgers, They're not baseball. You
got wire fraud, you got this is big boy serious.
(38:51):
Thank god the Dodgers contracts pay people down the road.
Thank god for that. I mean, so he was in
some way the Dodgers protected him. Well more to come.
Quite a show tomorrow. Holy moly, whew, exhausting. I'm like
sweating from this show South America see tomorrow hops the
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Speaker 1 (00:26):
All right, here we go our three. A little breaking news.
The Feds, the Feds, the Justice system just held a
press conference show. Hey, Otania, the Dodgers did not lose
four and a half million. He got robbed of sixteen
million dollars by his interpreter and Otani, and we predicted
(00:46):
this had no idea. Otani gave his phone to the Feds.
He said, here, it is Justice Department, have my phone.
I got nothing to hide, and they went digging and
it wasn't Otani. Now I know you all love your
conspiracy theories, but my takeaway has been even the average
successful person in America has no idea how entertainment stars live.
(01:10):
And then you have two different countries seven ten, twelve
revenue streams. Otani's not an accountant. He's not an American
kid whose dad's in the market. He is from a
foreign land, he comes to America, he relies on a
lot of people in this country to be honest and
have integrity, and the one that was closest to him
(01:32):
screwed him. By the way, a lot of athletes and
actors in my life have been hosed. Billy Joel lost
eighty million, Robert de Niro in some I think it
was Art lost eighty eight million, Kevin Garnett, Tim Duncan
kareem taken for a right. And these are smart people.
So how do you get money from a rich person.
(01:52):
You get close to them. You don't give it to
a stranger. So it looks like Otawi. And this was
my takeaway. I was listening to media people talk about
you wouldn't notice a bank account. He doesn't look at
his bank account. I guarantee he's got six of them.
I don't know a lot of rich people, but I've
known a few celebrities. They hand their finances over to people.
(02:14):
They get a monthly stipend, they get a monthly check
sent to their financial advisor, and then you cross your
fingers that your accountant's not a creep and that your
interpreter's not a bad guy. But I've watched athletes my
whole life. I mean, I've been interviewing athletes, and it's
remarkable how often athletes trust people with their worth, their
(02:37):
net worth. It's shocking to me. I mean, I've got
like six different I'm not rich. I've got a bunch
of people that I have in my life and I've
had forever. But they all kind of check on each
other just in case somebody goes sideways gets into trouble.
I have a series of you know, people checking on people,
not because I don't like him or trust them, but
that's what you gotta do. But a lot o Tani
comes from another country, doesn't speak the language. You cross
(03:00):
your fingers that you The people in America that have
been surrounded him were hired to help him, are ethical,
and when money gets involved, people get crazy. When love
and money get involved, like sex and money change people.
I'm sorry, I've known good people that have done horrible things.
Sex and money change people. And it looks like he
(03:20):
just got robbed a sixteen large Now the Feds called
the press conference, and to Otani's credit, he gave him
their phone, He gave him his phone, just said you guys.
Just do what you guys gotta do. That sounds like
an innocent guy to me. A lot of people bury
the phone. He didn't. What do you make of it?
Speaker 3 (03:36):
Yeah, no, I'm I'm I'm bum there I read. I'm
just like disgusted.
Speaker 4 (03:40):
This guy was like major creep, took advantage of Otani sixteen.
Speaker 3 (03:45):
Million dollars sixteen just robbed.
Speaker 4 (03:47):
He was impersonating Otani on the phone with bank officials.
This stuff is really disgusting. I mean, this guy, he
deserves to go to jail for a long time.
Speaker 1 (03:55):
Yeah, and the other thing. And again, a lot of this.
You're gonna have it in the update a little bit. Yeah,
we'll have more information, but it's uh. I just think
you have to remember that creatives, athletes, artists, singers, they
have the opposite brain of an accountant. They are creators,
(04:15):
and this is not what they do. Well. Some of
the smartest people in Hollywood have been taken for a ride. Yeah,
and it's not that they're naive or they don't care.
They're not into it for the money. They're into it
for the art. Oh, Tani's into it for the baseball.
He's not sitting there counting as checks and be careful
about saying, well, I know every penny well you make,
(04:37):
you know, sixty grand a year, or maybe you make
a lot of money. You're not signing a five hundred
million dollars I mean, O, Tani's worth more than companies
in America, successful small companies.
Speaker 4 (04:48):
This was like his closest friend for like six years.
Their families traveled together. You don't expect your boy to
rob you blind of sixteen million dollar like this is
really again, I feel awful for Otani.
Speaker 3 (04:58):
I know people are gonna pay him as stupid and
oh he's paying attention. It's really just it's just a dirty,
ugly story.
Speaker 1 (05:04):
I mean, listen, we've had institutions, the Catholic Church, like
institutions we view as foundationally moral, do horrible things to children.
You don't think an interpreter would do it to a
baseball player. I mean again, we've had foundational schools, churches,
people that we believe we can tell secrets to. You know,
(05:26):
you go and you repent your sins, and you don't
think they talk. You don't think of the occasional psychologist talks.
Doctors are supposed to keep thinking people talk. That's why
you have laws and regulations and Hippy. You know, you
have all these laws to protect the average person from professionals.
And you know, Otani's sitting there thinking, I got a
good guy. He'll help me out sixteen million, Mike, could
(05:49):
you get it back? I guess not. He Now you
know the next stage of this is conspiracy theory guy.
Speaker 4 (05:56):
No, no, those guys are it's over. There's no nothing
to be conspiracy about.
Speaker 3 (06:00):
There's nothing.
Speaker 4 (06:00):
Otani is cleared. I don't want to hear, well, well,
how did this guy get that much money? He was
talking he was talking to bank about so.
Speaker 1 (06:07):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (06:08):
But and if he were Otani, he was lying.
Speaker 4 (06:10):
He was changing accounts, so Otani would not get alerts
on his phone about his bank.
Speaker 3 (06:14):
Account like he was doing that. Otani's in the clear.
The conspiracy guy can shut the hell up like this.
Speaker 1 (06:19):
But you know, and there's a big chunk of America.
I think the election's rigged. We know it's not. But
the idea that the conspiracy theory group, the theorists are
are leaving. I mean, you have stuff on. It doesn't
matter if it's nine to eleven January sixth elections.
Speaker 3 (06:39):
The moon landing come out.
Speaker 1 (06:40):
I mean no, no, no, no, the crazy town now is
going to say what about this? This this the story
that's coming out. And listen, the Feds came out and
just laid it out that this kid got robbed. It's
just awful. It's just now. Now. The good news is,
well good news, I guess the most almost all his
mon he's gotten pushed down the road, right right, right, so,
(07:03):
and I think they will meet, hopefully they can retrieve
some but his contract. The Dodgers have done something that
is very unique in professional sports. I don't even know
if it's legal in other sports, but in baseball, they
just pushed all the salaries down the road. Will Smith
O TAWNI I think monkey bets. Maybe I'm wrong on that.
So the Dodgers push their money down the road, so
(07:24):
he not most ninety percent of his money he hasn't
seen yet. So that's the really good news. And the
other thing is he's he seems like and again this
is me being naive, but I just I've seen enough
of Otani and talked enough about him, and no people
that know him, he seems like a really good kid.
I mean, when when when when some bad stuff happens
(07:44):
to athletes I can make a call you. You and
I can make a call to an agent, and you
find out very quickly if a guy is a creep.
It doesn't take us long. In the world in which
we live, you know, we both have agents and representatives.
We work at big networks. We can kind of find
out if a guy is You know, there's there's a
reason certain baseball players get kicked out of the sport
(08:06):
and are not let back in. Like you, there's a
lot of knowledge that doesn't get to the public. That's
a bad guy, that's a bad person. Boy, it's hard
to find anybody with O Tawny that had a bad
word to say about him, and you'd think there'd be
a lot of jealousy and International Baseball star boy people
say nice things about.
Speaker 4 (08:24):
Him, by all accounts, a really good guy, just god
hoodwinked by someone he thought was like his best friend.
Speaker 3 (08:30):
I don't know, this is kind of a story of greed.
Speaker 4 (08:33):
But also, and I hate to say this column, but like,
it's tough to trust people when you hear a story
like this, it's really tough to I don't know, I
don't I'm one of these like trust nobody.
Speaker 3 (08:44):
I know that's like an X files line, but like.
Speaker 4 (08:46):
It's tough to trust people when someone's taking advantage of
you like that. It's just seeing that that story.
Speaker 3 (08:51):
Like it was his buddy, that was his right hand man. Yeah,
I don't know one more.
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Speaker 1 (09:04):
I've said for years, if I have very strong opinions
on the draft, then it's coming from a GM or
a scouting director or a scout. I like Bo Nicks,
but the scouts don't love him, so I'm probably wrong
on that. I love Caleb Williams and they love him too.
But through the years, I've leaned on people that just
have more access than I do. And Dane Brugler is
(09:27):
about as good as anybody that does this. NFL guy
at the Athletic. He just released the Beast four hundred
scouting reports. You just have to go get it. You
just have to go download it. Two thousand prospects. So
it's basically I said, I'm agnostic. So it's my bible. Okay,
(09:48):
it's my bible. I'm gonna read this thing I strongly
encourage you to. So let's start with this. We're in
the nit picking season, and you know that was I
remember Phil Simms saying about Andrew Luck, I don't love
it arm, and I'm like, Phil, give me a break.
He's got a good enough arm. And I love Phil.
But with Caleb Williams, there is one criticism Dane that
(10:08):
I heard and I kind of bought into that he
can at times lean into the spectacular. And I'm like,
that's a college thing. So you talk. I mean, you
did this, you went, you did submarine work, you dove
a mile deep. Are there legit concerns that aren't nitpicking?
Where guys on Caleb have worries.
Speaker 5 (10:30):
Where there's no such thing as a perfect prospect, right,
all these guys have some areas where they can improve.
For me, with Caleb, the biggest area I want to
see him get better is actually the fumbles. Thirty three
fumbles over the last three years. And you know, he
takes care of the ball through the air. Over the
last two years at USC, two hundred pass attempts on
third or fourth down, zero interception.
Speaker 6 (10:52):
Wow.
Speaker 5 (10:53):
But over the last three years in college he has
thirty three fumbles, and so he leads all of college
football and touchdowns one hundred and twenty, but he also
leads college football fumbles, and so ball security must get better.
I do think that there are times where he will
search for the home run instead of taking the single
or the double. But at other times, when you're watching
the film, you understand why he's doing that. He has
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rare football awareness. He understands what the defense is trying
to do. He understands where his protection is, where the
pressure is coming from. And so I think there's a
method to the madness. It's not just Caleb running around
and playing backyard football. He knows what he's doing out
there to move the chains and be a creator. So
with Caleb, I do think, you know, you put a
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crazy play on Twitter and everyone all that won't work
at the NFL level. He's doing these for a reason
more times than not. Either it's third down in his
running back ran three yards when he's supposed to run
four yards at the sticks, or there's a safety lurking
and about to drive on the throw. I mean, there's
always a reason to why he's trying to move platforms,
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throw from off schedule. Well, so yeah, he has rare
football awareness and I think that's something that will translate
pretty well to the NFL game.
Speaker 1 (12:05):
So I like JJ McCarthy, but I mean when I
watched Michigan, not just this year but last, I like
the coach, the O line, the defense, the corners. I
never said, and JJ McCarthy he feels like a top
five pick. Now that position gets overdrafted, and frankly, probably
it's okay based on the point value and what they're worth.
(12:27):
With McCarthy, my take is, though it feels Alabama like
never trails, great run game, unbelievable protection. That's not the
NFL world. These Alabama guys come in and it's like, yeah,
you don't lead, you have the second best coach, you
have a bad old line. How do you view him?
And are those credible criticisms by me? No?
Speaker 3 (12:51):
Of course.
Speaker 5 (12:52):
Do you want more of a body of work from
JJ McCarthy, Absolutely, and that's certainly fair. But I think
and it's just the way the offense was built. They
wanted to win in the trenches, they wanted to win
with the ground game, and who are we'd argue they
won the National Championship doing it that way.
Speaker 2 (13:08):
But I don't know.
Speaker 5 (13:09):
I'm a big ten guy, and so watching Ohio State
just demolish Michigan the last twenty years. But then when
JJ came in, it just felt a little bit different.
Speaker 2 (13:17):
Sure, if they had a.
Speaker 5 (13:18):
Quarterback that on third down, fourth down, he could go
make a play when they needed him to. So do
I wish there were more plays where he was winning
down the field, absolutely, But when he was called upon,
especially you watched the Alabama tape from the Rose Bowl,
third fourth down, he went and made a play. And
so I'm very encouraged by what he was asked to
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do on those crunch time throws. And I know, look,
fans roll their eyes at the quarterback win loss record.
Teams care about it, So I care about it. And
in high school thirty six and two with a state championship,
in college twenty seven and one with a national championship.
That's the intangible factor with JJ. McCarthy has won over
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a lot of coaches and you look at his game.
He has the tools, he has the ability, the intangibles
check that box and so for a lot of teams
you can understand why they want to target a guy
like JJ McCarthy. And to your point, there's a quarterback tax, right,
If he's the twenty first best player in this draft,
you're not getting him at pick twenty one. You're gonna
have to trade up to go get him. And if
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you're the Vikings at eleven, you're not gonna be.
Speaker 2 (14:24):
Able to sit put.
Speaker 5 (14:25):
Whether you have to worry about the Giants at six,
you have to worry about the Broncos or the Raiders
trading up in front of you. So there's a good
chance we do see quarterbacks go four in the top six,
and who knows, maybe even one, two, three, four, which
has never happened before.
Speaker 1 (14:40):
You know, as sports get more based on analytics, that
we don't fall for just players that are esthetically pleasing.
I mean, Jokish doesn't jump. Lucas not a slam dunk machine,
but they just always get their shot. So analytics has
changed the sex appeal, the slam dunk champ. We used
to just fall for it. I fell for it, you know,
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Michael Pennix. The optics is so pretty. It's just the
prettiest ball. But you have him graded second third round.
You have him six of the top six quarterbacks, and
it's hard for me. I grew up a Husky fan.
I watch him live and I'm like, that is the
prettiest deed ball, that's like two zero with arm strength, Like,
that's gorgeous. But you don't love him and you got
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second third round. Great, that's almost Kenny pickett ish, Like,
what is the concern here?
Speaker 5 (15:29):
I think there are several aspects of his game that
are just inconsistent. The anticipation, the way he deals with pressure.
And I think the perfect example the college football playoffs.
You watch him against Texas, a very vanilla defense, and
he knew what was coming, he knew how to beat
the defense, and he put probably the best game he's
ever played on tape in that game. But then the
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flip side against Michigan, a defense that really mixed up
what they were doing out there. He didn't know where
the pressure was coming from, the coverage was tight, and
he really struggled. And so I think it's a really
interesting juxtaposition with those two games, those two tapes. What's
the NFL going to show you. It's not the Texas game.
He's going to see a lot more Michigans at the
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next level. And it's not to say that I dislike
Michael Penix, the mental toughness. That's going to win over
teams for sure. But if you're going to draft a
quarterback in the first round top twenty five, you're telling
me that you think he's going to be a top
twelve ish quarterback in the NFL at some point on
his rookie contract. And I just I can't get there
with Bo Nix or Michael Pennox where I see them
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as a top twelve to fifteen quarterback in the NFL.
They can start, they have the ability to start at
the next level. But if I'm going to invest a
first round pick on a quarterback, I want to I
have to firmly believe he will be a top twelve
to fifteen quarterback in the NFL at some point during
his rookie contract.
Speaker 1 (16:50):
His annual draft guide is called The Beast. It was
released Wednesday at the Athletic DP Brugler four hundred scouting reports,
nearly two thousand aspects. Now, in my recent memory, the
two receivers that I looked at and thought, oh, yeah,
that's gonna be great, guaranteed, Randy Moss Calvin Johnson, I
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just said, that's a that's a. Now, Jamar Chase was
close to it where I felt like I was watching
a pro football player just playing on Saturdays, but he
wasn't Randy and Calvin. Marvin Harrison to me, is like
Calvin Johnson, Like that's a prof He would be a
top ten twelve receiver right now. Maybe I'm being hyperbolic,
(17:31):
but I mean when you look at him, like, what's
the flaw? Tell me what I I'm supposed to not lie,
I just I to me, he's maybe not as dynamic
as Randy Moss, but I don't see how he doesn't
star immediately in the league.
Speaker 5 (17:48):
It's hard not to be hyperbolic when you talk about
him because so many areas of his game are well
above average. And what you love about him is, yeah,
he has size. He's six over six three two ten,
and he has athleticism. Even though he didn't test, he
would have run in the four fours. His agilities would
have been very good. But what you love about him
is his savvy. Like if you talk to him about
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route running, he dislikes running fades or go routes or
posts because he wants to show off his route running,
his ability to sink and separate and do these different things.
And then at the catch point. That's where he really
shines his ability to adjust outside his frame. And he
reminds me of Larry Fitzgerald with the knack for slowing
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the ball down. And I know that doesn't make sense
in terms of physics, but if you watch Chris Carter,
you watch Larry Fitzgerald, they had that unique ability to
slow the ball down at the catch point, to frame
it and make the completion happen. So if we're gonna
nitpick him, I do you know he's only two hundred
and ten pounds. He's not two thirty like Calvin was,
or even two twenty like Julio Jones was. And I
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think that he's when you look at the playing the
receiver position, there's three components. There's getting open, there's catching
the ball, and then there's creating after the catch. He's
really good at the first two, not so much with
that third one. He has not been a yack monster
at the college level, and so in terms of making
guys miss and breaking tackles, that's not necessarily his game. Now,
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if you give him a slant in a runway, he'll
take it, but he's not going to break a lot
of tackles. So if we have to nitpick Marvin Harrison Junior.
That would be my concern with him.
Speaker 1 (19:23):
Dane. I know you're proud, and you should be. This
is just great. It's called The Beast, it's the Athletic.
I strongly encourage you to sign up for it. The
athletics got great great journalism, great insight. I live on
the thing every day, Dane is always it's a pleasure.
You're busy, go hang out with your family. You've spent
the last year going a mile deep on this stuff.
(19:44):
You can just when you read it, you just see
how much work you did. Congrats on this project.
Speaker 5 (19:49):
Yeah, thanks so much, calling anytime.
Speaker 1 (19:51):
All right, Dane does great work. The Beast and that's
the perfect name for it. That thing came out yesterday
and it's like I'm getting texts. I'm like with buddies,
I'm like, this is this is the guy. This is
the guy. All right, jamak with the news.
Speaker 2 (20:08):
Turn on the news. This is the herd Line news
all right.
Speaker 4 (20:13):
Just to understand, So the Otani story broke like thirty
minutes ago, thirty five minutes ago, and there's a lot
to take in. Okay, there's thirty seven page The document
is thirty seven pages that the Fed's released, so we're
still combing through it. There's crazy stuff in there. I
don't know how much of us I should try to
read on air. Go ahead because okay, okay, So anyways,
the big picture is this former interpreter stole more than
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sixteen million dollars from Shoheyotani, and he's being charged with
bank fraud, which can carry a maximum of one million
dollars and.
Speaker 3 (20:43):
Up to thirty years in prison.
Speaker 1 (20:45):
Yep, all right, So.
Speaker 4 (20:48):
There's so many crazy ones calling here. I'm getting them
on my phone. So this is one note in two
thousand and twenty one that I'm sorry twenty twenty three
that Otani's interpreter I had not paid.
Speaker 3 (21:00):
The amount to the bookmaker.
Speaker 4 (21:02):
The bookmaker sent him a text message, Hey, it's two
o'clock on Friday.
Speaker 3 (21:07):
I don't know why you're not returning my calls.
Speaker 4 (21:09):
I'm here in Newport Beach and I see Otani walking
his dog. I'm just gonna go up and talk to
him and ask how I can get in touch with you.
Since you're not responding, please call me back immediately. Like,
there are all these messages from the interpreter to the
book maker that this guy was delinquent and not paying
his bets. He started to funnel money from Otani, set
(21:29):
up a separate bank account. Otani's agent was like, hey,
what is this account. The interpreter goes, that's an account
Otani wants separate. He doesn't want anybody having access to it.
The agent's asked repeatedly about this separate account. Meanwhile, what
the guy was doing was setting up money to steal
from Otani and pay Colin.
Speaker 3 (21:47):
This story is CD.
Speaker 4 (21:48):
It's gross. A lot more is gonna come out in
like the next eight hours. The stuff is just mind blowing.
How bad he got taken to the woodshit here, I.
Speaker 1 (21:56):
Feel now it's time for the conspiracy wackos. There they come, Well,
the Dodgers, the Angels, Otani, they're people that need to
feel that they've got information that the rest of us don't.
That's that's conspiracy theorists. That's hey, I've got stuff the
media doesn't have. Here they come.
Speaker 4 (22:15):
The big sticker for Otani is you know, he's gotta
get asked about this.
Speaker 3 (22:18):
I would say, he don't address it. This is personal.
I got robbed of sixteen mine. I don't want to
talk about this. I don't.
Speaker 4 (22:24):
I got a baseball season to focus on. I just
hope it does, and it's tough to say it would.
I hope it doesn't impact him as a player, because
he's one of the greats in the game, should lead
the Dodgers.
Speaker 1 (22:33):
Again, of his money, he hasn't been paid. The mental thing,
you know, well, yeah, I know, but I think they're sure.
Athletes are usually great at compartmentalizing. Hopefully that you know,
when you go to the stadium, Dodger Stadium, you're you're
you're out there to be with your teams. I think
in the in the locker room. I think this will
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engender him to other teammates. I think you'd feel I mean,
if he was my teammate, I feel terrible for him.
I would too, Yeah, I would feel off.
Speaker 3 (23:03):
He's gonna need a support system.
Speaker 4 (23:04):
One last one pulled from the thirty seven page complaint.
Between December twenty twenty one and January twenty twenty four,
the interpreter placed approximately nineteen thousand wagers Jesus I.
Speaker 3 (23:20):
Ran the numbers.
Speaker 4 (23:20):
That's over twenty four bets a day consistently for twenty
six months.
Speaker 3 (23:24):
He lost nearly forty million dollars.
Speaker 4 (23:27):
Now, this is one that I'm sure the conspiracy theorists
are gonna say, nineteen thousand bets and none on baseball.
According to this, no bets on baseball games by the interpreter.
But you know, people are gonna say, how can you
make all these bets and not one on baseball?
Speaker 3 (23:39):
You can't. It's almost impossible to place nineteen thousand wagers
well baseball every day for like eight months.
Speaker 1 (23:45):
Yeah, but I gotta tell you something. I know a
lot of gamblers none bet baseball. It is college basketball,
college football, pro football, golf, Like like my, the guys
that I know, they just have a life. They don't
want to be shit watching the Cincinnati Reds for four hours.
So a lot of people just don't bet baseball. That's
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the no life crowd. So I and also maybe the
interpreter was smart enough and had enough decency to go,
I'm gonna beat, but I'm not gonna get I'm not
betting baseball because I know I'd get in trouble with that.
There are people can be awful but not but have
a soft spots. I mean, it's possible the interpreters like,
I'm not betting baseball so I don't want to raise
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red flags in this sport. That would get all of
us in trouble. So this is just me. Maybe he
validates in his mind, I'm not betting baseball. I'm betting football.
It's not as bad.
Speaker 4 (24:36):
I would hope you're right. Some conspiracy theorists might argue
the dude.
Speaker 3 (24:39):
Was down forty million. He is in the baseball locker
room every day.
Speaker 4 (24:43):
I'm sure he's trying to use that knowledge to gain
an edge. But so far, thirty seven pages no bets
on baseball according to the Feds.
Speaker 1 (24:51):
This is the Feds. It's not baseball.
Speaker 3 (24:53):
He's a baseball investigator. This is a fence. Next up
the Lakers and Warriors.
Speaker 4 (24:58):
They appear locked into the play tournament and they might
meet as nine and ten seeds. Stephan Golden State have
gotten the better of LA this season three and one.
Speaker 3 (25:06):
Although I don't know how much we count Tuesday's.
Speaker 1 (25:09):
Games, I count it completely with excellent gamesmanship by the Warriors.
Oh Ad had the Sniffles, Warriors the Sniffles. The Warriors
not only didn't have a cold, they were not cold.
Yeah so uh, the most historical league history.
Speaker 4 (25:24):
The greatest night ever in three point two, Lebron spoke
about how tough it is to go up against the Warriors.
Speaker 7 (25:28):
That's reps and reps, and reps and reps are actually
guarding something that's uncomfortable. Guarding Steph is uncomfortable. And the
problem with our guys in our league, they're not comfortable
with being uncomfortable. And that's why Steph and Golden State
Walls be relevant because they play an uncomfortable style of play.
Speaker 1 (25:49):
Do you hate that?
Speaker 7 (25:51):
I hate it when you don't have the person going
to match it, I just hate I hate it.
Speaker 3 (25:58):
So that's from Lebron's mind the game podcast. I don't
think they have that much to worry about here.
Speaker 4 (26:04):
If AD's back now, he couldn't sit on the bench
because the lights were too bright.
Speaker 3 (26:08):
That's a bad sign, you know that.
Speaker 1 (26:10):
Hey, I've heard of the record. My perceptive laser vision
noticed this because I had really good seats to the game. Yeah,
I didn't have to guess with binoculars like you. So
when I was there, I noticed something. During warm ups,
Lebron was sweating like crazy. So apparently Lebron was in
bed until the very end and then got like, you know,
(26:32):
drove or somebody drove Lebron to the stadium. I think
it's one of those. So Ad and Lebron were both sick.
I went to the warm ups, I'm by the Laker
bench and I'm like, that's a that's not a pregame sweat.
Lebron dropped thirty three and probably had like one hundred
degree temperature.
Speaker 3 (26:49):
Thirty three, eleven and sec.
Speaker 1 (26:51):
That is his flu game. Honestly, I m James flu
game second tier compared to Lebron Tuesday.
Speaker 3 (26:58):
Imagine if the Utah Jazz could, they could have made
twenty three.
Speaker 4 (27:01):
I mean Jeff Wane a second and John Stocker couldn't
make it.
Speaker 1 (27:03):
No, but I mean he did not look right in warmups.
He didn't. He was heavy sweat. Go get the tape.
Speaker 3 (27:11):
Lakers will win the playing game. Lock that up.
Speaker 4 (27:13):
Final story, the Bears traded Justin Fields to the Steelers
for that conditional sixth rounder, and twenty twenty five wasn't
a big return, but the Bears former director of player
Personnel Josh Lucas revealed why the price was so low.
He said, after three years, there was a lack of
instinct from Fields and that the league was telling them.
Speaker 3 (27:33):
He's viewed as a backup, not a starter.
Speaker 1 (27:37):
That is the word I've heard used. Oh harsh, No,
that's that's Zach Wilson and Justin Fields are the two quarterbacks.
I like Justin Moore that I have said, certain guys
just don't see the field and don't have a feel
for the game at the NFL level. And I think
that's Zach Wilson, who moves well with a good arm,
and that's Justin Field who moves well with a good arm.
(27:59):
There is a feel to the pocket in the NFL,
and the best I've ever seen is mahomes His. I
mean he's got a good arm. Obviously. Some guys they
can hear it, they can sense it, they know it,
and they're just really comfortable in the pocket. And I've
never felt that with Justin Orzak. It's like they hear
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things that aren't there, they see things late, and it's
just the word used. There is instincts. He's talented, clearly,
He's big, strong and moves well. He got a good arm,
but there is something to be said about feel for anything.
He'd be a stand up comedian. Some people in front
of crowds, they're better in front of a crowd than
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they are practicing their material. They're just better at a
live audience. They just have a feel for it.
Speaker 4 (28:50):
The difficult part about quarterback analysis, why nobody in the
league knows what they're doing, is how do you properly
assess instinct.
Speaker 3 (28:57):
You can't put a number on instinct.
Speaker 4 (28:59):
You just either kind of have it or you don't,
or maybe you might have it, you might develop it.
Who has good instincts in this draft is Caleb Williams
because he seems to.
Speaker 3 (29:07):
Tie it in a lot.
Speaker 1 (29:09):
I think Caleb Williams has great instincts. And Drake Mayon
I don't know, but I've watched more of that. I
think he's got very good instincts. That's what I would
say about Caleb, having watched him more than any of
these quarterbacks. I can't make a judgment on the rest
of them, but there are there are There is something
to be said. I mean, look at how many people
are good looking men and women in Hollywood. They've taken
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all the same acting classes. Why are certain people like
Christian Bale there is just an it, There's an instinct
Like I watch him and I'm like, I buy him.
As Dick Cheney, I buy him everything he's in. What
is it he's I mean a lot a lot of
these guys aren't even classically trained, Like what is it
with an actor? It's a feel some people the camera's on,
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you're in a room, there's a feel to it. It
can't all be I'm smarter, I'm better looking. Some people
just have it. And I think you know, Caleb's got it.
There you go, j Mack with a news.
Speaker 2 (30:08):
Well that's the news. And thanks for stopping by the herd.
Speaker 1 (30:11):
Line and today, and I'm gonna ask her about our
kids playing craps. Your parenting advice earlier is it may
be a seminole foundational piece of parenting that America this
point forward embraces with zest and zeal.
Speaker 3 (30:26):
It really resonated with you.
Speaker 1 (30:27):
Huh, your kids watching you play twenty one for math expertise.
I think it's an out.
Speaker 3 (30:35):
I mean other dads told me about this too, So I.
Speaker 1 (30:38):
Started on the Manster Beach thing.
Speaker 4 (30:39):
All right, let's not reveal to this is like you know,
started in like first second grade quick math, you know,
like a seven and a six.
Speaker 3 (30:46):
You get dealta what are you doing here?
Speaker 1 (30:48):
What are the odds put on that? Caesar's vest that's
good parenting. Well, I don't care.
Speaker 3 (30:52):
It depends what the dealer's show.
Speaker 1 (30:53):
I don't care what anybody says that is a good parenting.
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Speaker 4 (32:20):
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Speaker 1 (32:30):
Spring just got stronger by the way. John Calpari is
the new coach from Kentucky to Arkansas, and so we've
been critical of him through the years, but he very optimistic,
had the right tone. Here's his opening press or for
Arkansas to.
Speaker 6 (32:46):
Do what I was able to do at Kentucky. I
was happy. I mean, I loved it there. My wife
loved it there. You know what, fifteen years I was there,
did everything I could, gave every ounce of everything I could.
And you know what, I'm jacked about another opportunity, Like
I'm like, let's go. Now, I met with the team.
(33:09):
There is no team, but we got to get a
roster together and some of it is a little bit
of everything, but we will, all right, don't have a
problem with that.
Speaker 1 (33:21):
Now, fifteen years won a title. Started hot, really hot, cooled,
not good at the end, but fifteen years of noteworthy
work is fine. He's gonna win a lot of games
at Arkansas. It's not Kentucky as a program, but he'll
get him into the tournament and probably your two. They
got a lot of work to do. But he's a
great recruiter, all right. So the big story today is
show hey O Tani who gave his phone to the Feds,
(33:43):
And now we're getting all the messages. He was robbed
of sixteen and a half million dollars by his interpreter.
There are no baseball bets on this. I never believed
it was O Tawny. I thought he got robbed. I
didn't think they bet baseball. The conspiracy wackos are going
to come out of the woodwork, all the insiders in
Vegas here it comes. Gamblers are a different, you know breed.
(34:05):
So I'm not looking forward to that. Jmac. Some of
the phone messages in this thirty seven page like manifesto
by the Feds. What are you seeing on the phone messages?
Speaker 4 (34:16):
So here's one from the interpreter September twenty fourth, twenty
twenty one. You could probably look up the date to
see what actual match. This is the interpreter message a
book maker. I've just been messing around with soccer. There's
games on twenty four to seven.
Speaker 3 (34:30):
Lol.
Speaker 4 (34:31):
I took UCLA but they lost outright. I mean, this
is the kind of degenerate gambler this guy was. He
just messing around with soccer with Otani's money, betting losing,
doesn't care onto the next I mean this guy was.
Speaker 3 (34:43):
I mean, he's certifiably insane, right, like, just.
Speaker 1 (34:46):
Betting on sports.
Speaker 3 (34:47):
He doesn't even know I'm messing around with soccer. Almost
forty million dollars to the gamblers.
Speaker 1 (34:53):
It's crazy. I get nervous. I mean, I I am
very pro sports gambling. Fifty talks to me, is like,
I feel good about that. Can I hit a two
team parlay one hundred bucks? That's a serious bet. We
both make a nice living. I mean that some people
just you know, there are also some people that are
just more aggressive, more manipulative.
Speaker 3 (35:14):
Well, I mean, if you gave.
Speaker 4 (35:15):
Me a free roll and said, hey, here Jason goes about.
I mean, I would hopefully be able to win some stuff.
Speaker 1 (35:20):
But would you rather have a free bet or a
free steak dinner?
Speaker 3 (35:25):
I would need more informa.
Speaker 1 (35:27):
N I lean it into food.
Speaker 3 (35:29):
Yeah, well, it depends what the bet is. In the
side hold on. Here's another one.
Speaker 4 (35:32):
November fourteen, twenty twenty two. Interpreter message of book maker.
I'm terrible at this support betting thing.
Speaker 3 (35:38):
Huh lol? Any chance you could bump me up again?
Speaker 4 (35:42):
As you know, you don't have to worry about me
not paying. That's from well, you know, basically, the reporters
for MLB are going through all the thirty seven pages
and pulling out some stuff. They got all his text messages.
This guy Stolotany's money and gambled it away and was.
Speaker 1 (35:59):
Terrible at gambling and had was just beyond cavalry.
Speaker 3 (36:04):
Yeah, callous bank fraud, Like this guy's.
Speaker 1 (36:07):
Listen, there are bad people among us, and the bad
doesn't mean murdering people, but there are people without a conscience.
There are really bad people out there, and we've had
them in our church, you know what I mean. We've
had him in our school systems. We've had him in government.
There are bad people out there that just can do
evil things that what they call friends. I don't get
(36:28):
it like that. It's sociopathic. It's it's crazy. You know,
you'll they'll find like this doesn't rise to serial murder.
But I read a lot of books about, you know,
true crime, and a lot of times there's this thing
that all serial killers have where they later acknowledge, yeah,
I just didn't care. I didn't have the I didn't
have the gene that I cared about people Like that's
(36:51):
like a real thing. In the Green River killer in
Washington State, he's like, yeah, I never had empathy. I
just don't have it. And there are people that don't
do terrible things that acknowledge they lack that empathy gene
where they cry they feel bad for others, like like,
you know, it doesn't always end tragically. But this guy
sounds like somebody he is sociopathic, like he just doesn't care.
(37:14):
It's cavalier. It's like, eeah, it's not my money. He's
got a lot of money coming. I don't care. I
don't know how people can do that, but it's it's
out there and it happens all the time with pro
athletes and entertainers. Threw any other good phone message.
Speaker 3 (37:26):
I mean, there's a lot to comb through. I think
tomorrow's show's gonna be really good once you have time
to go through the thirty seven pages. This just broke
what forty five minutes ago, a hour ago?
Speaker 1 (37:35):
We should tell people. O Tawny gave the Feds his phone.
He said, you go, yeah, here it is.
Speaker 3 (37:41):
You're I'm an open book.
Speaker 1 (37:42):
Would you do that if you were give us a hide?
Check my house, check my computer, here's my phone, you
get all of it. That's an innocent man to everybody
except conspiracy guy that's coming.
Speaker 3 (37:57):
Has the jet's quarterback waited on this yet?
Speaker 1 (37:59):
Or no, I'm not gonna get into that.
Speaker 4 (38:01):
I know some people sent me a link to something else.
He said recently on all I'm just yeah, I'm over it.
Speaker 1 (38:06):
Well, I tend to think Conspiracy theorists are people that
think somehow that society doesn't recognize their brilliance, and so
they want to find things where they they have information
that you simply you and I, you know, dim bulbs,
we don't have. So there's a lot of conspiracy theorists
have the biggest egos in the world. They want to
(38:28):
prove that they really have insight. Reddit board guy, that's
and so that's what when you get conspiracy theory, it's
guy that wants to show you the insight that US
commoners don't have instead of actually doing homework. And the
Feds here are not the Dodgers, They're not baseball. You
got wire fraud, you got this is big boy serious.
(38:51):
Thank god the Dodgers contracts pay people down the road.
Thank god for that. I mean, so he was in
some way the Dodgers protected him. Well more to come.
Quite a show tomorrow. Holy moly, whew, exhausting. I'm like
sweating from this show South America see tomorrow hops the
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