April 11, 2024 • 41 mins
Colin looks at the NBA stars who get all the love for their "highlights" to point out players like Nikola Jokic are the ones who produce real value for teams
He pushes back against those who claim Bill Belichick doesn't get enough credit for the Patriots Dynasty
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Speaker 1 (00:26):
Here we go. It's a Thursday. We are live. It's
The Herd. Wherever you may be and however you may
be listening. Thanks for Meganoz's part of your day. We
got a lot of stuff going on as we get
closer and closer to the NFL Draft. But Jmack, you
have been very much pro Luca. Oh yeah, and I
think he's a great score. His style of platum, I
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don't think it's mesmerizing, but I'm watching Luca and Jokich
last night the Denver Minnesota game. Those are really good teams,
and I've come to a conclusion now. I don't know
if Luca's gonna win titles, but Dallas right now is
really good and Denver's already got a title. But it
did make me think about something about Luca. I'm coming around.
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Oh on Dallas and Luca.
Speaker 3 (01:15):
Well, I just remind everybody a year ago at this time,
nobody believed in the Denver Nuggets. Oh, they hadn't proven anything, Yokich.
He's still got to do it in the playoffs.
Speaker 1 (01:23):
Yeah, so I was thinking about this. I was, you know,
sitting watching NBA late last night, late into the night,
and I saw a clip. You can't give Yo kicch
another MVP. Should have won last year would have been
his third straight. Should win this year, hear Luca, and
my take his Why not? There's only two players in
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this league that are unstoppable every single game, Yo Kitchen Luca.
They were both great again last night, high IQ Europeans
elite unstoppable scores, and unlike the windmill dunk guys, they
actually will age much better. They're not esthetically pleasing, no
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high flying dunks. They stay close to the floor, they
move slowly, deliberately. There are games about angles, thick body types.
But the basketball culture and basketball media loves the spectacular,
and we've had great players who are spectacular, doctor J.
Michael Jordan. But it's this constant promoting of Derrick Rose
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and Westbrook and John Wall and John Morant. Guards that
can't shoot. Yes, they can jump and the fanboys love them.
Lob City. Wow, what did they ever win? What did
Westbrook Wall? John Morant show me the playoff wins? The
best point guards in the last fifteen years are guys
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that don't dunk. Steph Curry and Chris Paul Smart can
elevate others excellent shooters. That's what I want, my point guard.
These European stars are not into selling shoes, and they're
not into the dunk contest. They are into body angles, analytics,
fewer dribbles, getting their shot and you cannot stop yo
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kitchen Luca, and they've got both ten plus years of
elite scoring. I mean, Jo kicch that game could last forever.
It could last like Brady into the forties and still
be dominant. And Luca again, he's not gonna get hurt.
High fly and windmill dunks. That's the downside to the
highly vertical player players. They age faster, they crash to
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the floor more. Where's Blake Griffin, Where's John Wall, Where's
Dwight Howard Russell? Westbrook off the bench, Steph Curry's thirty six,
He's still a dominant player. Luca is gonna last for
fifteen years. You're gonna get fifteen years. I said this
years ago. He may end up being the first or
second leading scorer in league history. This game's gonna wear well, Yo,
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Kicch's game's gonna wear well. The high flying dunk contest guy.
They age really fast and they just don't win enough
in the playoffs. Analytics matter, spacing matters, angles matter. I
grew up in an NBA and I loved a lot
of those players where it was about verticality and dunk contest.
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Years ago, Lebron James just said I'm not doing the
dunk contest, and I said he shouldn't. It's it's beneath him.
That was the old NBA. That's the seventies, eighties, early
nineties NBA. This NBA is slower, deliberate with its dominance players.
You can't speed yokitchup, you can't speed Luca up. They're
gonna do whatever they want to do, and they're gonna
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age incredibly well. And you know Kyrie Irving last night
talking about Luca. I've always been a little bit cooler
on Dallas because I don't I don't see them as
a team. Luka or Kyrie, can you win with your
two stars? Not really defenders. You got to have some
defenders around these guys. But the Mavericks are playing better
defense top five last time I checked, and that net
defensive rating. And Kyrie talked about Luca after the game.
Speaker 4 (05:01):
We knew how especially this year was going to be
just based on our practices, what Luca was doing, showcasing
that all the time, really being more vocal, challenging his teammates,
challenging me, and doing it in his own way. And
I think that's the true sign of MVP. His stats
speak for themselves. He's first in you know, a lot
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of different categories. If it's not going to be this year,
it's going to be an eventual future in the near future.
Speaker 1 (05:29):
Yeah, yo, Kitchen, Luca. This stuff's going to age well,
it's not going away. And one of the things I
love about sports is that it changes. The NFL now
is an offensive league. It's Andy Reid's league. It's not
Bill Belichick's league. The NBA used to be high flying dunks,
electric dynamic mid range shooters. It's not. It's not. It's European.
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It's body angles, it's playing at your own pace. It's
Yo Kicic and Luca Jokic has it title Luca yesterday.
J Mack The one team he thinks that can beat
Denver is Dallas, and I don't know if he's wrong.
It's it's just a different league, and I like the
change in leagues. Baseball now is a faster game. I mean,
it used to be the strikeout was bad news in baseball.
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Now it's the ground ball stuff changes. Embrace the change
because it's not going away. So Jared Goff, who I've
always been a fan of, is a number one pick
the minute he got a good offensive line and a
coach in Detroit and LA with Andrew Whitworth and Sean McVay.
He's been excellent top ten since then. And now he's
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a member of a losing franchise Detroit, And you know,
it's I've always had this feeling because I grew up
out West, but then I moved out East and I
liked it, but it was different, and I really noticed
the difference in the fans and the media. It's harsher.
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And so Jared Goff was recently talking about how the
lion are now really good, but there's still negativity constantly
with the media in Detroit that covers them.
Speaker 5 (07:07):
I have this thing with our local media where like
they they almost like relish in negativity at times, and
maybe that's what gets clicks and that's what sells, but
it it's it's it's no longer what they need to
live in. Like, hey, guys, like we have a good team,
We've had success, Like we can be happy about that,
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we can celebrate that and not have to write about
how like we're constantly the underdog and I'm probably overthinking
in my head just because it's the chip on my
shoulder and the the competitor.
Speaker 1 (07:42):
By the way, Jared gov said that from his beach
house in Los Angeles, he's a happy kid. There is
a northern jet stream of negativity. I saw it for
ten years at ESPN. The weather's worse, you're scraping the windshield.
Everything's harder and cold weather, and you stay indoors. Thank
you giving to April because it's crappy outside. Go to Miami, Phoenix,
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Las Vegas, Los Angeles, Houston, San Diego. If your team's bad,
you bail. You go outside. You have cocktails at four
point thirty, you surf, you do something. The malls they're
even outdoor malls here. That's the reality of it. You
bail on bad teams. Now. I do think the advantage
to that northern negativity and intensity and tribalism is it's
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kind of combative and it's kind of fun. Like I
think sports talk radio in your Chicago's and Cleveland's Detroit excellent.
Out Here, it's guy talk that teams aren't good, let's
move on out there. You want to solve the issue
and yell about the issue. So there's a reason it's
called the Bills Mafia and not the Carolina Panthers Mafia
or the Arizona Cardinals mafia. You know, studies indicate that
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the more time you spend outdoors with nature, you live longer.
So but I will say Jared Goff's point is Detroit
has a history of losing, and we know about the
lousy weather, and so I think it's a real thing.
I think it is hard when a bad culture suddenly
gets really good. I think Detroit, and I said this
last year, I think they're the younger version of the
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forty nine ers stars everywhere. They're just not paid yet
and not quite as old. But I think toe to
Toe the two best rosters easily in the NFC easily
are San Francisco and Detroit. I like Green Bays. It's
not as good as the Lions. A lot of that's
the front office, a lot of that's trades hitting on
draft picks. But I mean, you know it's funny about Detroit.
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My wife's from Michigan. You know you listen to eminem.
I don't think optimism and hope. You know there is
a negativity that exists out there, and I saw it
when I lived out East. I feel it's much more
laid back and positive optimistic out west. Some of that
is because California teams have done well for the last decade,
but I think Jared Goff is onto something. You get
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that bad weather, that intensity, you're indoors winner in spring,
you stick with your bad teams, you complain about them,
and Golf's trying to say, guys, this is a really
good team. We're not gonna lose anymore, like there's gonna
be nothing but wins. And j Mack I think you
and I both agree. I was hotter on the Lions
than you were, but I do believe that the next
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seven to eight years, if you look at their roster,
their youth and the way they're drafting. Detroit is a
winning franchise now, and I mean a consistently winning franchise.
Speaker 3 (10:28):
Yeah, seven eight years, maybe a little bit much, but
as someone who roots for a team that has been
steeped in futility for I don't know, three decades, of course,
Jared Goff is right.
Speaker 6 (10:39):
The Detroit media, all they know is that the Lions stink.
Speaker 3 (10:42):
They're a laughing stock. They can't do anything in the playoffs,
so they're gonna be negative. Like that's not just gonna
change overnight. I'm a negative Jets fan, right, Is there
a positive Jets fan anywhere? Like, there's nothing to be
positive about. The team stinks, the ownership stinks.
Speaker 1 (10:56):
Prove it to me, and.
Speaker 3 (10:57):
Otherwise I'm not gonna be like positive about the Lions. Yeah,
there's nothing wrong with Wikoff sitting like he's right.
Speaker 1 (11:03):
Yeah, the Northern Jet stream of negativity is a very
real thing in sports.
Speaker 3 (11:09):
And listen, if the media is all chipper and everything's great,
the economy's humming, Like who's paying attention.
Speaker 1 (11:15):
To the media, right, Grievance sells.
Speaker 6 (11:19):
If it bleeds, it leads, you know, negativity.
Speaker 1 (11:21):
Death or in the media does not talk about planes landing.
Speaker 3 (11:27):
Stock market way up. You barely hear that as all
market getting crushed.
Speaker 1 (11:31):
Yeah yeah.
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You are now entering the No Bull Zone sponsored by
Credible Great Rage. None of the bowls. So the Dynasty
was that ten part off the Jeff Benedict book, That
ten part documentary we saw in the winter early spring.
I liked it a lot. People said a not very
nice to Belichick. Vince will Fork great Player, came out
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recently and said, I don't think it was very fair
to Bill Belichick. I think it was. And here's why
he got credit. Belichick during the twenty year run more
than Brady did. We didn't call Brady the goat until
the Atlanta Super Bowl. And remember this, who gets credit
after a great dynasty is often what's the more interesting story,
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who's nicer to the media. Very few people get both.
Tom Brady now gets much more credit. He left and
still won. He should get more credit he left and
Bill lost. But coaches that rule with an iron fist
may have their moment at the top of the mountain.
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But they're not going to age well. They should probably
more often. Think about that. Bill Belichick cultivated, leaned into
a personality that was uncoll co operative, combative, and arrogant.
Don't be shocked if when you start losing, everybody's not
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giving you the warm fuzzies Bill leaned into uncooperative. Andy
Reid is going to age much more gracefully. He's much
more of a player's coach. He can joke with the media.
He doesn't go out of his way to be uncooperative.
Look at two great forty nine ers, Jerry Rice aging
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well graceful too, isn't one was combative? One wasn't. Bobby
Knight and Belichick really sad at the end, sort of right,
You know who it's not sad for the Zen Master,
Phil Jackson. Steve Kerr is aging well again. Andy Reid
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is aging well. Abrasive, combative, uncooperative. It works when you're
at the top of the mountain. Aaron Rodgers, by the way,
is not aging well. He looks looney tunes people taking
shots at him. He's defensive all the time. You know
who's aging well, Eli Manning, Peyton manning, Tom Brady got
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along with people, so in the end, Belichick got what
he deserved. A lot of credit during his run, as
did Bobby Knight. But if you're lean into things that
are difficult, Brady always took time for the media right,
always took time dumb questions, didn't love him, relentless coverage
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of the deflate gait, which remains wildly silly and overrated,
but he took time most of the time to address it.
Bill fought, battled, leaned into arrogant, never ever willing to cooperate. Well,
don't be shocked if it's an ugly final chapter for
the record, that's just not my opinion. Look at the
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people that got hired seven openings. Buill didn't sniff them.
Look again, it does matter when you're going up the ladder.
Just remember, eventually in sports, you'll go down that ladder too.
J Mack with the news. Turn on the news.
Speaker 2 (15:18):
This is the herd line news.
Speaker 3 (15:21):
So in the NFL, Aaron Rodgers' first season with the
Jets ended in horrific fashion as he popped his achilles
there on the first series where they had the football.
He was reflecting on the injury recently called it one
of the most heartbreaking nights of his life, saying he
thought his.
Speaker 1 (15:38):
Career was over and he wouldn't be able to come
back from it.
Speaker 3 (15:42):
Colin is, of course, setting up for a heroic return
from Aaron Rodgers, perhaps with some shoulder programming.
Speaker 6 (15:48):
I'll leave it at that.
Speaker 3 (15:51):
I don't know.
Speaker 6 (15:53):
He could bounce back from this, right, I mean he
should be able to.
Speaker 1 (15:56):
I know he's old. The big days are over. Old
quarterback and shaky O lines don't work. Well.
Speaker 3 (16:02):
Wait a minute, Wait a minute, Wait a minute. They
got three new offensive linemen. One of them's Tyron Smith,
the other's Moregan. The tackles are massively upgrading.
Speaker 1 (16:09):
Nobody thinks you're getting fifteen game forget seventeen or eighteen nineteen.
You're not getting fifteen games from Tyronson. That's okay.
Speaker 3 (16:17):
We're drafting a left tackle of ten, and you know
he'll be able to plug and play obviously because he's
ready to go.
Speaker 6 (16:24):
Okay, No, three new offensive linemen, two from Baltimore.
Speaker 1 (16:28):
I'll say it again. These young quarterbacks. As the league
gets younger and there's younger players, these young quarterbacks that
work harder, more focused, more athletic in their athletic prime
heel faster like Jordan Love are better players. This is
not a hot take. Jordan Love is better today than
Aaron Rodgers. That is not a hot take. Watch the games. Okay,
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so the idea, and Jordan Love has better receivers, a
better coach, a better organization, a weaker conference, a better
offensive line. So if you want to talk about Aaron Rodgers,
talk about the team he left and how good they are.
Speaker 6 (17:05):
No, no, no, I'm gonna Jane Bay.
Speaker 1 (17:07):
Is a super Bowl throw.
Speaker 3 (17:08):
Okay, fine, Let's compare Rogers to the other quarterback coming
off in Achilles who you seem to like a lot,
Kirk Cousins at Atlanta.
Speaker 1 (17:14):
Because with Kirk Cousins Atlanta great old line, yes, Jets awful.
It all starts for older quarterbacks up front. First thing
Sean Payton did in Denver, he saw that old line.
That Denver old line was good. That Sean Payton knew
if you have an older quarterback that is going off
his prime, old line is everything. That's more. I want
to hear the Jets draft receiver of the first round. No, no,
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they shouldn't. They should go get an offensive line money
because Tyron Smith at left tackle is gonna give you
about thirteen games. That's what he's gonna give you. And
if you're a playoff team, you're gonna have eighteen minimum.
That's five games. When you've got some scrub playing left tackle. Okay,
draft the tackle.
Speaker 6 (17:51):
I let me call guy scrubs.
Speaker 3 (17:53):
Now you so, okay, Fine, you want to say the
Jets offensive line is inferior to Atlanta, that's fine. Jet
skills position guys blow away at I know you stop it.
Breecee holds one of the top running backs in the league.
The jian Is Grady's not there yet. Garrett Wilson's better
than Drake Drake London?
Speaker 1 (18:08):
Who's your two?
Speaker 6 (18:09):
Mike Williams come along.
Speaker 1 (18:11):
Another older guy hoping so Aaron offf a injury, Mike
Williams off an injury, Tyron Smith off an injury. Atlanta's
receivers backs tight ends a line.
Speaker 3 (18:20):
They're not better, but also Jet's defense can carry them
and keep them in games.
Speaker 6 (18:23):
Falcons defense, we're not so short.
Speaker 1 (18:26):
I think America heard this similar rant this time last year.
Speaker 3 (18:29):
How to work out things are different this time, I
promise you all right, Let's go to the NBA where
Celtics obviously have the number one seed locked up, far
and away the best team in the East.
Speaker 6 (18:41):
I feel like this should just get a free pass
to the finals.
Speaker 3 (18:43):
But Shack, of course, old school guy haters of jump shots, says,
not so fast, my friend. He called the Celtics the
most overrated team because they have a great regular season
success but haven't been able to win a title. This
is yet another take I greatly dislike. Well, the Berkley
Shack duo. Those guys are just.
Speaker 6 (19:06):
I don't want to go.
Speaker 1 (19:07):
Well, Boston is easily the deepest team in the league.
They're one of the only elite teams with a great bench.
I mean, they're scoring is one through seven. They it's
a great tea. I went to a game when Al
Horford was on fire, you know, Like, so you can
say what you want about Boston and maybe depth doesn't
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win you a title, but Boston has more good players
than any team in the league, and in the Eastern
Conference that is going to roll through the conference. I
would be surprised if they went to a game six
in any playoff series.
Speaker 3 (19:45):
Well, I just looked at the odds and it would
you well, hold on the seven eight Seeds are going
to be in some order Miami and Philly, so they're
going to get one of those two in the first
Philip I don't think Miami has a shot against them.
Speaker 1 (19:58):
Philadelphia will win again, aim against them in Philadelphia, they'll
win a game. What if they win game one, Boston
could win the next four.
Speaker 3 (20:07):
Okay, it will just be a panic in Boston. If
the Sixers come in and win game one.
Speaker 1 (20:12):
Well it would be it would Adam Silver would smile
and make the series because the East has a potential
to just be awful.
Speaker 3 (20:17):
I just remind people Philly last year could close out
the series against Boston, I know, at home in Game six.
So the problem that Shack doesn't see and a lot
of other people. They got two new starters on this team.
Porzingis and Holiday are brand new. Don't compare last year's
team to this year. No, no, no, it's totally different, Jilly
Marcus Smart.
Speaker 1 (20:35):
I remember years ago when I covered UNLV and they
played Duke, And remember that team UNLV crushed the year
and then they played the next year and everybody's like, oh,
they love UNLV, and I'm like, yeah, Grant Hill was
not that team. That's like and I get the revenge factor,
so I get the revenge in Grant Hill. It's like,
be very careful about saying it's gonna be the same game,
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and it wasn't. And so it's like poor Zingas, who
has really changed his game. He did it in Washington
and very few people noticed. The Celtics did Porzingis now
is a highly effective player and he's not as wasteful
a player, and we all love Drew. So it's like, no,
but Boston's really good. Do I worry who takes the
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last shot with a minute thirty to go in a
tight game. They're a little weird laden games, but they're
gonna roll to the finals.
Speaker 6 (21:25):
Forzingis, when he was drafted by the Knicks, was like
the savior.
Speaker 1 (21:28):
He's going to be the one or the twos, a
different player.
Speaker 6 (21:31):
He goes to Dallas, he'll be the number two to Luca.
Speaker 1 (21:34):
He was, but he went to Washington and because nobody
pays attention to Washington, had an unbelievable season and the
Celtics now bring him over. He's a trement.
Speaker 3 (21:43):
He is. If he's your four, he is the best
foreign league by a mile.
Speaker 6 (21:48):
There's no pressure on him. Hey sit outside hill.
Speaker 1 (21:50):
Porzingis is in now a very effective player, not a
wasteful player banging a ball in the tild.
Speaker 3 (21:58):
For next week, we should look at odds for the
Celtics to go undefeated in the Eastern Conference playoffs. I
don't know if they're gonna go undefeated just twelve and
oher in the East.
Speaker 6 (22:06):
That's not the way.
Speaker 1 (22:07):
The problem is when you go home and you go
too and oh and you know you. Let's say you
go and you beat a team in the Eastern Conference,
Cleveland by seventeen and twenty two, and you go to Cleveland,
Cleveland's gonna give you their game of the year, probably
beating over time or something close.
Speaker 3 (22:21):
Wait, go great, give me some odds plus five hundred.
Final story is the uh the paper Clips. Remember we
talked about this, the paper Clip Suns last night and
a back to back home and home. Uh, they got
revenge obviously they needed too badly. LA is now locked
into a first round play up matchup with Dallas. It'll
be the third time in five years they met in
the postseason. I've done the homework on these on these teams,
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and I'll just say this, this is a very different
MAVs team than in the last two meetings when the
Clippers beat him and Luca.
Speaker 6 (22:53):
Was tried ten years old and they nearly took down
this game, I'm.
Speaker 1 (22:56):
Kind of out on the Clippers. I'll take the maps.
I would agree for the You've seen some of these
first round potential West Western conference matchups. It's gonna be. Now,
I know, college basketball and pro basketball don't look alike
the first round of the West. If the Chips fall
the right way, we're gonna get the best first round
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conference matchups. They're gonna feel like, I mean stars every
Dallas Clippers just stay in the top seven players. They're
Hall of famers.
Speaker 3 (23:25):
The problem and I a couple more thoughts on this
is it starting to look like Lakers Nuggets with the
Nuggets win last night, starting to look like if the
Lakers get the eight, it's gonna be an early exit
for Lebron.
Speaker 6 (23:37):
They're not winning that series, and I know.
Speaker 1 (23:39):
They're not winning it, but they do match up pretty well.
Speaker 3 (23:42):
Were you the one who said they've got a chance
like early against Denver in the I'm like, no.
Speaker 1 (23:46):
That was Nick right. He said that the Lakers are
gonna play Denver, play them early because of Lebron's age
is that Lebron. If you're asking Lebron to go into
three seven game series, you're not gonna get the same Lebron.
Get a rush Lebron.
Speaker 6 (24:01):
But he's not gonna be fresh. They got two playing
games they've got to win now they're in the nine.
Speaker 3 (24:06):
But as for the Clippers, Colin, I don't know how
you handle the Paul George Kawhi, Harden, Trium britt if
they get bounced in the first round and we've got
like a list of like six teams chaos.
Speaker 1 (24:17):
They're also moving into a new arena next year, aren't,
so they kind of have to keep I mean, well,
it's funny because Steve Baumber's a smart guy, but I
you know, when they brought Hardened in, my argument was
part of it was you could open a building with
Paul George Kawhi and Harden. Even Westbrook's got fans in
La So that's a you can open a building when there.
When the Spare opened in Vegas, they opened with you two. Yeah,
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nothing against garage bands, but who do they open with.
You want to open a new facility with stars and
so you know, Kawhi maybe Enigmatic and Paul George is
you know, not you not a face of a league guy,
but hardened from La Westbrook.
Speaker 3 (24:56):
It's interesting because the LA guys Kawhi got his money right,
Paul George, who I took a little bit of a
hometown disca. I don't know if Paul George is there
anything we'll see about Harden and Russ, But early exit
for the paper clips and I will say I'm happy
to hear you at the outside of the show.
Speaker 6 (25:13):
Hype up the Mavericks just a little bit. Start coming
around on Luca, Luca Legend, we call him.
Speaker 1 (25:19):
It's just when you watch the league now, it's like
Zach Edy two years ago. I didn't buy it. I
watched him this year and I'm like, he looks feistier
and more cut and he's better. New information equals new opinion.
You start watching Luca and it's like, my thing is
they're not going to play defense. You start watching their
defensive rating, it's like top ten, top five, and he's
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sitting and watch him last night and you're like, he
he gets whatever shot he wants. He is a much
better offensive player than Lebron, a much better. And by
the way Lebron does prime Lebron or currently No, I'm
just saying prime Lebron, prime Luca. Luca is the better score.
Michael was the better score than Lebron. Lebron's the better
player because Lebron does so many other things. Well, Lebron
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was an elite defender, Lebron better passer. But in terms
of just here's ball, go score, I would argue Luca
in my lifetime. I'm trying to think Kareem was an
unstoppable score Duran j Luca Luke first of all, Luca's
body type, Luca's gonna last forever. Kd is spindily, Luca's
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gonna play for the next fifteen years. I'll make it.
I'll say it right now. Put it in the archives.
Ryan Luca finishes as a top three score in the history.
With a chance to finish, I think you're gonna see
fifteen more years of this. His game is not vertical,
so shooting.
Speaker 3 (26:41):
And I know people want to compare and say, well,
how would Michael Jordan fair against these quicker, longer defenders,
and Jordan would eat.
Speaker 6 (26:46):
But Jordan was a great athlete.
Speaker 3 (26:48):
Luca is not a great athlete, and he's still utterly
dominant regardless of who you put on him, he may
go down as like you said, the greatest scorer, pure
scorer in NBA.
Speaker 1 (26:58):
I'm trying to think of people that I have watched
because I think of Jokic as a score, a passer,
the body. I'm just talking, ball in hand, stop him,
and I'm like, he's as good as I've ever seen.
Just at that, we'll.
Speaker 3 (27:15):
See Kawhi elite defender couldn't stop him in twenty twenty,
and I don't think he's gonna be able to stop
him now.
Speaker 1 (27:21):
We'll see. This is interesting. J Mack with the news.
Speaker 2 (27:25):
Well, that's the news, and thanks for stopping by.
Speaker 1 (27:28):
The herd Line Danny Green top of the next hour.
Dane Brugler, the athletic who came out with his basically
draft guide, which is it's the Bible kind of you know,
I'm agnostic, so it is my Bible. It's it's really good.
He'll he'll join us as well. Uh, the Bucks say
Giannis is out, just throw this out for the regular season,
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that that team is fascinating, And did you notice this,
J Mac. I'm not gonna spend I'll talk about this
later so we know the Celtics Jalen Brown, Max Steel,
and we know they're gonna sign Tatum here quick, Max
Steele to see. They signed Drew Holiday to four years,
one hundred and thirty five million, and they got poor
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Singis on the books for a couple of years. So
you see what Boston is doing. If you watch what
is happening in the NBA, ten of the top eleven
teams have no bench just the way. In fact, let
me look this up. Let me look this up. Ten
of the bottom eleven bench scoring teams. Ten of the
eleven lousiest benches, our playoff teams. You see what's happening
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in the league. Now, spend your big money up top.
Spend it up top for the good teams. Do not
use the draft as a lottery hoping to win power Ball.
That's for the bad teams. Build your stars, big money,
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pay all of them. Don't worry about your bench. And
when you get that late first round pick in the draft.
As a good team, draft a three or four year
college player that can come in lower ceiling and just
an adult. Christian Brown can adult at Kansas three years.
So what happens to Houston? They're buying lottery tickets? OKC
(29:21):
is buying lottery. They're looking for high ceiling guys. Denver
get me a college guy. Miami Heat they get the
UCLA kid, three four year player. So what you're doing now,
because there's almost no chance once you get past like
the thirteenth pick, to get a megastar in the NBA,
it's very rare, but it is interesting. What the Celtics
(29:42):
are doing is what Denver is doing, which is pay
your stars, don't worry about the bench. Go get an
older college player, lower ceiling that can come in mature
and can play.
Speaker 3 (29:54):
But you could argue the Celtics use the draft. Tatum
is homegrown, Brown is homegrown and on Denver. Jokich and
Murray were both drafted by Denver. See, you've got to
hit on your high draft pick right and then you
supplement them will bring in saying there's.
Speaker 1 (30:08):
Two different models in the NBA. The bad teams use
the draft. They're taking flyers on mega talents that they
hope develop. The successful, good playoff teams use the draft
middle lower to go get experienced college guys who were
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grown ups. They get out of the development game. Rick
Buker recently talked about how veteran teams are going to
start looking for older guys.
Speaker 7 (30:37):
If you're drafting and you're saying, this guy's going to
be part of our rotation, I think you're going to
see teams taking players that have spent more years in
college as a result, because you're asking a guy to
play a role and to play without the ball, and
the only guys that are capable of doing that are
guys that have been in college for a while and
have to.
Speaker 1 (30:56):
Go through the process, had to at some.
Speaker 7 (30:58):
Point in their careers, and they stayed in college, they played,
They were in college a number of years before they
went to the NBA is because they weren't a star
right from the beginning, so they know how to play
a role. They have that experience.
Speaker 1 (31:10):
It's just interesting. There's two models now, and the Boston
model is gonna be. I think it's gonna be the
Denver model. Ten of the eleven bottom benches, those are
the playoff teams. Those are the good teams. They don't
care about bench, don't care about it anymore. They look
at the Celtics now in Denver will look at the
draft as diversifying their portfolio. Houston, San Antonio look at
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it as buying a Powerball ticket. Look at the bench
scoring here. You know, it's like the good teams don't
have a bench. They're not worried about it. They're just
gonna draft guys that can play and make them good. Now,
they're not gonna worry about because guys come out of
the draft they're nineteen. Like the Warriors, by the way,
tried this. They tried it with Wiseman. He couldn't play
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with the veteran players. So what do they do. They
go get Chris Paul. They draft guys that can come
in and play. Kaminga. I like Kaminga, but he doesn't
feel like I don't trust Kaminga at all in the playoffs.
He's just not refined enough. And that's with a good staff,
smart coaches in Golden State. Well some NFL stuff next.
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Speaker 1 (33:41):
I was thinking about this the other day. You know,
everybody talks about television's dying, Television's dying, and I always
I roll my eyes at that, and I always use
this example. I'm not I don't spend a lot of
time on TikTok. Have you know staff people around here
put some stuff on TikTok. I'm not on it almost ever.
My wife likes it, and I use this all the time.
If our government show or let's say TikTok just became
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about recipes in the culinarian industry, it would obviously shrink,
but it would be unbelievably powerful for the culinary industry
because they would dominate a platform. And when everybody always
talks about television, and I'm like, the only thing that
works on TV now is sports and we own it.
So is cable TV shrinking? Yeah? But why did the
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women's basketball tournament just set all time records? Why did
the men's basketball tournament have an incredibly healthy year? Does
everybody understand the ratings? This will be the most watched
NFL draft ever, and I think by a mile, because
sports now owns this platform that used to be shared
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by all sorts of shows. Now it's basically election yeer, politics,
the Oscars, and sports. College football, which is on television,
not on a streaming service. College football is going to
have a massive explosion of ratings this year with the
PAC twelve's top programs joining the Big Ten and Texas
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Oklahoma joining the SEC. So if a platform shrinks, but
then your industry owns it, it's an incredibly powerful mechanism.
So like this, this draft, even though we know who's
going one, and I've been told Jaden Daniels of LSU
is going to be who Washington currently favors as their pick.
(35:34):
Now the things change. I've just been told if you
look at his style and Cliff Kingsbury's style and his
ability as the Washington offensive line is in a rebuild
mode this year and next, they're going to address it
in the draft. Is that Jaden Daniels' athletic ability it's
a little Lamar Jackson, not quite, but he can really run.
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Is the kind of quarterback that will indu as you're
rebuilding your O line. You know, Russell Wilson did not
have a lot of great old lines in Seattle in
his prime. He made it work. Kyler Murray Arizona didn't
have a lot of great old lines. He made it work.
So quarterbacks that can and Jaden now is that there
is absolutely some Lamar Jackson here at work. So my
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take is what I'm told is that Jade and Daniels,
the belief is he fits Cliff Kingsbury, who's got a
three year deal there, and he fits a program a
franchise that really isn't very good in the run game,
and isn't very good on the offensive line, and he
will create opportunities that wouldn't exist with a more top,
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a less dynamic mover and runner. So I think I
know who the first two picks are. I've been told
we all know Chicago's taking Kayleb Williams. But I think
keep your eye on the Chargers, the Patriots, Arizona, Giants, Jets, Minnesota.
I think a lot of times there's predictions that the
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draft will have a lot of movement and mobility, But
if you really look at this draft, New England could
go either way. They need a new roster, Arizona needs
more good players, and it's a wide receiver rich draft.
They could move down. Chargers are dying too move down.
The Giants certainly an option is moving down. It's such
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a good tackle draft. I've been told this that Tennessee
because they like Joe Alt and he made grade as
the best tackle, but he's actually got a lower ceiling
than some of the other tackles in the first round.
Joe Alt at Notre Dame is ready to play now
for the Jets or the Titans, but he doesn't necessarily
have the highest ceiling. He's seen as a guy that
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will start for ten years, a Pro Bowl or two,
but he's not considered high ceiling tackle, just ready to
play tackle. If I was the Bears, I would go down.
I would move down a couple of times. You can
get an edge rusher in the fifteenth to ninth teenth pick.
The Rams will probably take an edge rusher at nineteen.
The Bears could certainly get one at sixteen if they
move down and accumulate more picks. So I think we're
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going to have an unbelievable draft ratings wise, an unbelievable
Big ten year. The NFL was just up women's college
basketball won't equal last year or this past year, but
it's gonna be good. It's a growing business. And men's
college basketball was shockingly good in the tournament, even though
we had one great team and one star and a
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lot of average. So it's just, you know, I look
at this draft coming up, j Mac. I can't remember
the last time there was a draft. People make projections
all the time. Even the teams that like players, like
the Chargers love Brock Bauers. They think they can get
him at twelve. I'm told the Giants love they need
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a wide receivert Roma Dunze. You can get him at eleven.
Joe Alt and the Titans, I'm told they think he's
really good. They don't think he's Jonathan Ogden, and they
think there's higher ceilings and they could go to fifty.
By the way, that's a roster in Tennessee. They need
a lot of players.
Speaker 6 (39:07):
They need a lot of guys.
Speaker 1 (39:08):
New England at three needs a quarterback what they really
need unless Jaden Daniels drops to them, which I am
not hearing, but if it happens, he would work in
New England maybe a little because he can move around
and they don't have playmakers. But this draft's go, it's
gonna be wild.
Speaker 3 (39:23):
So I had Albert Brero on my podcast and he
said there is some chatter that wide receivers, not necessarily Harrison,
but neighbors and a Dunza could be sliding a bit
as teams look at these offensive linemen and say, holy cow,
these guys are plugging play.
Speaker 6 (39:38):
They're ready to go.
Speaker 3 (39:39):
Yeah, and maybe there's a chance a Dunzee falls to
the Jets at nine and the tackles are off the board.
If the top three tackles are off the board, the
Oregon State kid, the Penn State kid and all. If
they're gone in four to eight, what do the Jets do?
I don't think you.
Speaker 6 (39:53):
Go tight end.
Speaker 1 (39:54):
If a Dunzae is the third best receiver, let's say
is second or third? I say, so, I saw him live.
I think he's third. What's the difference between the third
receiver and the sixth? Now? I think Harrison. There's a
big gap between him and most of the other receivers.
Same with the kid at LSU. But Odunzee. If the
difference between the third receiver and the seventh is not significant,
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isn't a Dundee gonna be as successful as where he lands.
Even Larry Fitzgerald needed his better quarterbacks and all timer
to get better numbers.
Speaker 3 (40:28):
Let's remember Justin Jefferson went down on the list a
little bit as Bryant. A lot of guys wide receiver's
really good in the fifteen to twenty five rings.
Speaker 6 (40:36):
I think the real interesting situation is Harrison.
Speaker 3 (40:38):
There's a report now, I just saw it during commercial
break that Arizona wants the world for the number four pick,
and it looks like nobody's gonna really trade up, Like so,
then what does Minnesota do?
Speaker 6 (40:48):
Do they really go up or do they just stand
pat and maybe McCarthy falls to them. A lot of
weird stuff happening here.
Speaker 1 (40:54):
I think it's a circumstances draft. The Giants are going
to just see what happens, and the Giants will make
a big Bowl decision based on what happened fifteen minutes earlier.
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Here we go. It's a Thursday. We are live. It's
The Herd. Wherever you may be and however you may
be listening. Thanks for Meganoz's part of your day. We
got a lot of stuff going on as we get
closer and closer to the NFL Draft. But Jmack, you
have been very much pro Luca. Oh yeah, and I
think he's a great score. His style of platum, I
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don't think it's mesmerizing, but I'm watching Luca and Jokich
last night the Denver Minnesota game. Those are really good teams,
and I've come to a conclusion now. I don't know
if Luca's gonna win titles, but Dallas right now is
really good and Denver's already got a title. But it
did make me think about something about Luca. I'm coming around.
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Oh on Dallas and Luca.
Speaker 3 (01:15):
Well, I just remind everybody a year ago at this time,
nobody believed in the Denver Nuggets. Oh, they hadn't proven anything, Yokich.
He's still got to do it in the playoffs.
Speaker 1 (01:23):
Yeah, so I was thinking about this. I was, you know,
sitting watching NBA late last night, late into the night,
and I saw a clip. You can't give Yo kicch
another MVP. Should have won last year would have been
his third straight. Should win this year, hear Luca, and
my take his Why not? There's only two players in
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this league that are unstoppable every single game, Yo Kitchen Luca.
They were both great again last night, high IQ Europeans
elite unstoppable scores, and unlike the windmill dunk guys, they
actually will age much better. They're not esthetically pleasing, no
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high flying dunks. They stay close to the floor, they
move slowly, deliberately. There are games about angles, thick body types.
But the basketball culture and basketball media loves the spectacular,
and we've had great players who are spectacular, doctor J.
Michael Jordan. But it's this constant promoting of Derrick Rose
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and Westbrook and John Wall and John Morant. Guards that
can't shoot. Yes, they can jump and the fanboys love them.
Lob City. Wow, what did they ever win? What did
Westbrook Wall? John Morant show me the playoff wins? The
best point guards in the last fifteen years are guys
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that don't dunk. Steph Curry and Chris Paul Smart can
elevate others excellent shooters. That's what I want, my point guard.
These European stars are not into selling shoes, and they're
not into the dunk contest. They are into body angles, analytics,
fewer dribbles, getting their shot and you cannot stop yo
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kitchen Luca, and they've got both ten plus years of
elite scoring. I mean, Jo kicch that game could last forever.
It could last like Brady into the forties and still
be dominant. And Luca again, he's not gonna get hurt.
High fly and windmill dunks. That's the downside to the
highly vertical player players. They age faster, they crash to
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the floor more. Where's Blake Griffin, Where's John Wall, Where's
Dwight Howard Russell? Westbrook off the bench, Steph Curry's thirty six,
He's still a dominant player. Luca is gonna last for
fifteen years. You're gonna get fifteen years. I said this
years ago. He may end up being the first or
second leading scorer in league history. This game's gonna wear well, Yo,
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Kicch's game's gonna wear well. The high flying dunk contest guy.
They age really fast and they just don't win enough
in the playoffs. Analytics matter, spacing matters, angles matter. I
grew up in an NBA and I loved a lot
of those players where it was about verticality and dunk contest.
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Years ago, Lebron James just said I'm not doing the
dunk contest, and I said he shouldn't. It's it's beneath him.
That was the old NBA. That's the seventies, eighties, early
nineties NBA. This NBA is slower, deliberate with its dominance players.
You can't speed yokitchup, you can't speed Luca up. They're
gonna do whatever they want to do, and they're gonna
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age incredibly well. And you know Kyrie Irving last night
talking about Luca. I've always been a little bit cooler
on Dallas because I don't I don't see them as
a team. Luka or Kyrie, can you win with your
two stars? Not really defenders. You got to have some
defenders around these guys. But the Mavericks are playing better
defense top five last time I checked, and that net
defensive rating. And Kyrie talked about Luca after the game.
Speaker 4 (05:01):
We knew how especially this year was going to be
just based on our practices, what Luca was doing, showcasing
that all the time, really being more vocal, challenging his teammates,
challenging me, and doing it in his own way. And
I think that's the true sign of MVP. His stats
speak for themselves. He's first in you know, a lot
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of different categories. If it's not going to be this year,
it's going to be an eventual future in the near future.
Speaker 1 (05:29):
Yeah, yo, Kitchen, Luca. This stuff's going to age well,
it's not going away. And one of the things I
love about sports is that it changes. The NFL now
is an offensive league. It's Andy Reid's league. It's not
Bill Belichick's league. The NBA used to be high flying dunks,
electric dynamic mid range shooters. It's not. It's not. It's European.
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It's body angles, it's playing at your own pace. It's
Yo Kicic and Luca Jokic has it title Luca yesterday.
J Mack The one team he thinks that can beat
Denver is Dallas, and I don't know if he's wrong.
It's it's just a different league, and I like the
change in leagues. Baseball now is a faster game. I mean,
it used to be the strikeout was bad news in baseball.
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Now it's the ground ball stuff changes. Embrace the change
because it's not going away. So Jared Goff, who I've
always been a fan of, is a number one pick
the minute he got a good offensive line and a
coach in Detroit and LA with Andrew Whitworth and Sean McVay.
He's been excellent top ten since then. And now he's
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a member of a losing franchise Detroit, And you know,
it's I've always had this feeling because I grew up
out West, but then I moved out East and I
liked it, but it was different, and I really noticed
the difference in the fans and the media. It's harsher.
(06:56):
And so Jared Goff was recently talking about how the
lion are now really good, but there's still negativity constantly
with the media in Detroit that covers them.
Speaker 5 (07:07):
I have this thing with our local media where like
they they almost like relish in negativity at times, and
maybe that's what gets clicks and that's what sells, but
it it's it's it's no longer what they need to
live in. Like, hey, guys, like we have a good team,
We've had success, Like we can be happy about that,
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we can celebrate that and not have to write about
how like we're constantly the underdog and I'm probably overthinking
in my head just because it's the chip on my
shoulder and the the competitor.
Speaker 1 (07:42):
By the way, Jared gov said that from his beach
house in Los Angeles, he's a happy kid. There is
a northern jet stream of negativity. I saw it for
ten years at ESPN. The weather's worse, you're scraping the windshield.
Everything's harder and cold weather, and you stay indoors. Thank
you giving to April because it's crappy outside. Go to Miami, Phoenix,
(08:05):
Las Vegas, Los Angeles, Houston, San Diego. If your team's bad,
you bail. You go outside. You have cocktails at four
point thirty, you surf, you do something. The malls they're
even outdoor malls here. That's the reality of it. You
bail on bad teams. Now. I do think the advantage
to that northern negativity and intensity and tribalism is it's
(08:27):
kind of combative and it's kind of fun. Like I
think sports talk radio in your Chicago's and Cleveland's Detroit excellent.
Out Here, it's guy talk that teams aren't good, let's
move on out there. You want to solve the issue
and yell about the issue. So there's a reason it's
called the Bills Mafia and not the Carolina Panthers Mafia
or the Arizona Cardinals mafia. You know, studies indicate that
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the more time you spend outdoors with nature, you live longer.
So but I will say Jared Goff's point is Detroit
has a history of losing, and we know about the
lousy weather, and so I think it's a real thing.
I think it is hard when a bad culture suddenly
gets really good. I think Detroit, and I said this
last year, I think they're the younger version of the
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forty nine ers stars everywhere. They're just not paid yet
and not quite as old. But I think toe to
Toe the two best rosters easily in the NFC easily
are San Francisco and Detroit. I like Green Bays. It's
not as good as the Lions. A lot of that's
the front office, a lot of that's trades hitting on
draft picks. But I mean, you know it's funny about Detroit.
(09:35):
My wife's from Michigan. You know you listen to eminem.
I don't think optimism and hope. You know there is
a negativity that exists out there, and I saw it
when I lived out East. I feel it's much more
laid back and positive optimistic out west. Some of that
is because California teams have done well for the last decade,
but I think Jared Goff is onto something. You get
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that bad weather, that intensity, you're indoors winner in spring,
you stick with your bad teams, you complain about them,
and Golf's trying to say, guys, this is a really
good team. We're not gonna lose anymore, like there's gonna
be nothing but wins. And j Mack I think you
and I both agree. I was hotter on the Lions
than you were, but I do believe that the next
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seven to eight years, if you look at their roster,
their youth and the way they're drafting. Detroit is a
winning franchise now, and I mean a consistently winning franchise.
Speaker 3 (10:28):
Yeah, seven eight years, maybe a little bit much, but
as someone who roots for a team that has been
steeped in futility for I don't know, three decades, of course,
Jared Goff is right.
Speaker 6 (10:39):
The Detroit media, all they know is that the Lions stink.
Speaker 3 (10:42):
They're a laughing stock. They can't do anything in the playoffs,
so they're gonna be negative. Like that's not just gonna
change overnight. I'm a negative Jets fan, right, Is there
a positive Jets fan anywhere? Like, there's nothing to be
positive about. The team stinks, the ownership stinks.
Speaker 1 (10:56):
Prove it to me, and.
Speaker 3 (10:57):
Otherwise I'm not gonna be like positive about the Lions. Yeah,
there's nothing wrong with Wikoff sitting like he's right.
Speaker 1 (11:03):
Yeah, the Northern Jet stream of negativity is a very
real thing in sports.
Speaker 3 (11:09):
And listen, if the media is all chipper and everything's great,
the economy's humming, Like who's paying attention.
Speaker 1 (11:15):
To the media, right, Grievance sells.
Speaker 6 (11:19):
If it bleeds, it leads, you know, negativity.
Speaker 1 (11:21):
Death or in the media does not talk about planes landing.
Speaker 3 (11:27):
Stock market way up. You barely hear that as all
market getting crushed.
Speaker 1 (11:31):
Yeah yeah.
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You are now entering the No Bull Zone sponsored by
Credible Great Rage. None of the bowls. So the Dynasty
was that ten part off the Jeff Benedict book, That
ten part documentary we saw in the winter early spring.
I liked it a lot. People said a not very
nice to Belichick. Vince will Fork great Player, came out
(12:02):
recently and said, I don't think it was very fair
to Bill Belichick. I think it was. And here's why
he got credit. Belichick during the twenty year run more
than Brady did. We didn't call Brady the goat until
the Atlanta Super Bowl. And remember this, who gets credit
after a great dynasty is often what's the more interesting story,
(12:26):
who's nicer to the media. Very few people get both.
Tom Brady now gets much more credit. He left and
still won. He should get more credit he left and
Bill lost. But coaches that rule with an iron fist
may have their moment at the top of the mountain.
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But they're not going to age well. They should probably
more often. Think about that. Bill Belichick cultivated, leaned into
a personality that was uncoll co operative, combative, and arrogant.
Don't be shocked if when you start losing, everybody's not
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giving you the warm fuzzies Bill leaned into uncooperative. Andy
Reid is going to age much more gracefully. He's much
more of a player's coach. He can joke with the media.
He doesn't go out of his way to be uncooperative.
Look at two great forty nine ers, Jerry Rice aging
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well graceful too, isn't one was combative? One wasn't. Bobby
Knight and Belichick really sad at the end, sort of right,
You know who it's not sad for the Zen Master,
Phil Jackson. Steve Kerr is aging well again. Andy Reid
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is aging well. Abrasive, combative, uncooperative. It works when you're
at the top of the mountain. Aaron Rodgers, by the way,
is not aging well. He looks looney tunes people taking
shots at him. He's defensive all the time. You know
who's aging well, Eli Manning, Peyton manning, Tom Brady got
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along with people, so in the end, Belichick got what
he deserved. A lot of credit during his run, as
did Bobby Knight. But if you're lean into things that
are difficult, Brady always took time for the media right,
always took time dumb questions, didn't love him, relentless coverage
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of the deflate gait, which remains wildly silly and overrated,
but he took time most of the time to address it.
Bill fought, battled, leaned into arrogant, never ever willing to cooperate. Well,
don't be shocked if it's an ugly final chapter for
the record, that's just not my opinion. Look at the
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people that got hired seven openings. Buill didn't sniff them.
Look again, it does matter when you're going up the ladder.
Just remember, eventually in sports, you'll go down that ladder too.
J Mack with the news. Turn on the news.
Speaker 2 (15:18):
This is the herd line news.
Speaker 3 (15:21):
So in the NFL, Aaron Rodgers' first season with the
Jets ended in horrific fashion as he popped his achilles
there on the first series where they had the football.
He was reflecting on the injury recently called it one
of the most heartbreaking nights of his life, saying he
thought his.
Speaker 1 (15:38):
Career was over and he wouldn't be able to come
back from it.
Speaker 3 (15:42):
Colin is, of course, setting up for a heroic return
from Aaron Rodgers, perhaps with some shoulder programming.
Speaker 6 (15:48):
I'll leave it at that.
Speaker 3 (15:51):
I don't know.
Speaker 6 (15:53):
He could bounce back from this, right, I mean he
should be able to.
Speaker 1 (15:56):
I know he's old. The big days are over. Old
quarterback and shaky O lines don't work. Well.
Speaker 3 (16:02):
Wait a minute, Wait a minute, Wait a minute. They
got three new offensive linemen. One of them's Tyron Smith,
the other's Moregan. The tackles are massively upgrading.
Speaker 1 (16:09):
Nobody thinks you're getting fifteen game forget seventeen or eighteen nineteen.
You're not getting fifteen games from Tyronson. That's okay.
Speaker 3 (16:17):
We're drafting a left tackle of ten, and you know
he'll be able to plug and play obviously because he's
ready to go.
Speaker 6 (16:24):
Okay, No, three new offensive linemen, two from Baltimore.
Speaker 1 (16:28):
I'll say it again. These young quarterbacks. As the league
gets younger and there's younger players, these young quarterbacks that
work harder, more focused, more athletic in their athletic prime
heel faster like Jordan Love are better players. This is
not a hot take. Jordan Love is better today than
Aaron Rodgers. That is not a hot take. Watch the games. Okay,
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so the idea, and Jordan Love has better receivers, a
better coach, a better organization, a weaker conference, a better
offensive line. So if you want to talk about Aaron Rodgers,
talk about the team he left and how good they are.
Speaker 6 (17:05):
No, no, no, I'm gonna Jane Bay.
Speaker 1 (17:07):
Is a super Bowl throw.
Speaker 3 (17:08):
Okay, fine, Let's compare Rogers to the other quarterback coming
off in Achilles who you seem to like a lot,
Kirk Cousins at Atlanta.
Speaker 1 (17:14):
Because with Kirk Cousins Atlanta great old line, yes, Jets awful.
It all starts for older quarterbacks up front. First thing
Sean Payton did in Denver, he saw that old line.
That Denver old line was good. That Sean Payton knew
if you have an older quarterback that is going off
his prime, old line is everything. That's more. I want
to hear the Jets draft receiver of the first round. No, no,
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they shouldn't. They should go get an offensive line money
because Tyron Smith at left tackle is gonna give you
about thirteen games. That's what he's gonna give you. And
if you're a playoff team, you're gonna have eighteen minimum.
That's five games. When you've got some scrub playing left tackle. Okay,
draft the tackle.
Speaker 6 (17:51):
I let me call guy scrubs.
Speaker 3 (17:53):
Now you so, okay, Fine, you want to say the
Jets offensive line is inferior to Atlanta, that's fine. Jet
skills position guys blow away at I know you stop it.
Breecee holds one of the top running backs in the league.
The jian Is Grady's not there yet. Garrett Wilson's better
than Drake Drake London?
Speaker 1 (18:08):
Who's your two?
Speaker 6 (18:09):
Mike Williams come along.
Speaker 1 (18:11):
Another older guy hoping so Aaron offf a injury, Mike
Williams off an injury, Tyron Smith off an injury. Atlanta's
receivers backs tight ends a line.
Speaker 3 (18:20):
They're not better, but also Jet's defense can carry them
and keep them in games.
Speaker 6 (18:23):
Falcons defense, we're not so short.
Speaker 1 (18:26):
I think America heard this similar rant this time last year.
Speaker 3 (18:29):
How to work out things are different this time, I
promise you all right, Let's go to the NBA where
Celtics obviously have the number one seed locked up, far
and away the best team in the East.
Speaker 6 (18:41):
I feel like this should just get a free pass
to the finals.
Speaker 3 (18:43):
But Shack, of course, old school guy haters of jump shots, says,
not so fast, my friend. He called the Celtics the
most overrated team because they have a great regular season
success but haven't been able to win a title. This
is yet another take I greatly dislike. Well, the Berkley
Shack duo. Those guys are just.
Speaker 6 (19:06):
I don't want to go.
Speaker 1 (19:07):
Well, Boston is easily the deepest team in the league.
They're one of the only elite teams with a great bench.
I mean, they're scoring is one through seven. They it's
a great tea. I went to a game when Al
Horford was on fire, you know, Like, so you can
say what you want about Boston and maybe depth doesn't
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win you a title, but Boston has more good players
than any team in the league, and in the Eastern
Conference that is going to roll through the conference. I
would be surprised if they went to a game six
in any playoff series.
Speaker 3 (19:45):
Well, I just looked at the odds and it would
you well, hold on the seven eight Seeds are going
to be in some order Miami and Philly, so they're
going to get one of those two in the first
Philip I don't think Miami has a shot against them.
Speaker 1 (19:58):
Philadelphia will win again, aim against them in Philadelphia, they'll
win a game. What if they win game one, Boston
could win the next four.
Speaker 3 (20:07):
Okay, it will just be a panic in Boston. If
the Sixers come in and win game one.
Speaker 1 (20:12):
Well it would be it would Adam Silver would smile
and make the series because the East has a potential
to just be awful.
Speaker 3 (20:17):
I just remind people Philly last year could close out
the series against Boston, I know, at home in Game six.
So the problem that Shack doesn't see and a lot
of other people. They got two new starters on this team.
Porzingis and Holiday are brand new. Don't compare last year's
team to this year. No, no, no, it's totally different, Jilly
Marcus Smart.
Speaker 1 (20:35):
I remember years ago when I covered UNLV and they
played Duke, And remember that team UNLV crushed the year
and then they played the next year and everybody's like, oh,
they love UNLV, and I'm like, yeah, Grant Hill was
not that team. That's like and I get the revenge factor,
so I get the revenge in Grant Hill. It's like,
be very careful about saying it's gonna be the same game,
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and it wasn't. And so it's like poor Zingas, who
has really changed his game. He did it in Washington
and very few people noticed. The Celtics did Porzingis now
is a highly effective player and he's not as wasteful
a player, and we all love Drew. So it's like, no,
but Boston's really good. Do I worry who takes the
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last shot with a minute thirty to go in a
tight game. They're a little weird laden games, but they're
gonna roll to the finals.
Speaker 6 (21:25):
Forzingis, when he was drafted by the Knicks, was like
the savior.
Speaker 1 (21:28):
He's going to be the one or the twos, a
different player.
Speaker 6 (21:31):
He goes to Dallas, he'll be the number two to Luca.
Speaker 1 (21:34):
He was, but he went to Washington and because nobody
pays attention to Washington, had an unbelievable season and the
Celtics now bring him over. He's a trement.
Speaker 3 (21:43):
He is. If he's your four, he is the best
foreign league by a mile.
Speaker 6 (21:48):
There's no pressure on him. Hey sit outside hill.
Speaker 1 (21:50):
Porzingis is in now a very effective player, not a
wasteful player banging a ball in the tild.
Speaker 3 (21:58):
For next week, we should look at odds for the
Celtics to go undefeated in the Eastern Conference playoffs. I
don't know if they're gonna go undefeated just twelve and
oher in the East.
Speaker 6 (22:06):
That's not the way.
Speaker 1 (22:07):
The problem is when you go home and you go
too and oh and you know you. Let's say you
go and you beat a team in the Eastern Conference,
Cleveland by seventeen and twenty two, and you go to Cleveland,
Cleveland's gonna give you their game of the year, probably
beating over time or something close.
Speaker 3 (22:21):
Wait, go great, give me some odds plus five hundred.
Final story is the uh the paper Clips. Remember we
talked about this, the paper Clip Suns last night and
a back to back home and home. Uh, they got
revenge obviously they needed too badly. LA is now locked
into a first round play up matchup with Dallas. It'll
be the third time in five years they met in
the postseason. I've done the homework on these on these teams,
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and I'll just say this, this is a very different
MAVs team than in the last two meetings when the
Clippers beat him and Luca.
Speaker 6 (22:53):
Was tried ten years old and they nearly took down
this game, I'm.
Speaker 1 (22:56):
Kind of out on the Clippers. I'll take the maps.
I would agree for the You've seen some of these
first round potential West Western conference matchups. It's gonna be. Now,
I know, college basketball and pro basketball don't look alike
the first round of the West. If the Chips fall
the right way, we're gonna get the best first round
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conference matchups. They're gonna feel like, I mean stars every
Dallas Clippers just stay in the top seven players. They're
Hall of famers.
Speaker 3 (23:25):
The problem and I a couple more thoughts on this
is it starting to look like Lakers Nuggets with the
Nuggets win last night, starting to look like if the
Lakers get the eight, it's gonna be an early exit
for Lebron.
Speaker 6 (23:37):
They're not winning that series, and I know.
Speaker 1 (23:39):
They're not winning it, but they do match up pretty well.
Speaker 3 (23:42):
Were you the one who said they've got a chance
like early against Denver in the I'm like, no.
Speaker 1 (23:46):
That was Nick right. He said that the Lakers are
gonna play Denver, play them early because of Lebron's age
is that Lebron. If you're asking Lebron to go into
three seven game series, you're not gonna get the same Lebron.
Get a rush Lebron.
Speaker 6 (24:01):
But he's not gonna be fresh. They got two playing
games they've got to win now they're in the nine.
Speaker 3 (24:06):
But as for the Clippers, Colin, I don't know how
you handle the Paul George Kawhi, Harden, Trium britt if
they get bounced in the first round and we've got
like a list of like six teams chaos.
Speaker 1 (24:17):
They're also moving into a new arena next year, aren't,
so they kind of have to keep I mean, well,
it's funny because Steve Baumber's a smart guy, but I
you know, when they brought Hardened in, my argument was
part of it was you could open a building with
Paul George Kawhi and Harden. Even Westbrook's got fans in
La So that's a you can open a building when there.
When the Spare opened in Vegas, they opened with you two. Yeah,
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nothing against garage bands, but who do they open with.
You want to open a new facility with stars and
so you know, Kawhi maybe Enigmatic and Paul George is
you know, not you not a face of a league guy,
but hardened from La Westbrook.
Speaker 3 (24:56):
It's interesting because the LA guys Kawhi got his money right,
Paul George, who I took a little bit of a
hometown disca. I don't know if Paul George is there
anything we'll see about Harden and Russ, But early exit
for the paper clips and I will say I'm happy
to hear you at the outside of the show.
Speaker 6 (25:13):
Hype up the Mavericks just a little bit. Start coming
around on Luca, Luca Legend, we call him.
Speaker 1 (25:19):
It's just when you watch the league now, it's like
Zach Edy two years ago. I didn't buy it. I
watched him this year and I'm like, he looks feistier
and more cut and he's better. New information equals new opinion.
You start watching Luca and it's like, my thing is
they're not going to play defense. You start watching their
defensive rating, it's like top ten, top five, and he's
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sitting and watch him last night and you're like, he
he gets whatever shot he wants. He is a much
better offensive player than Lebron, a much better. And by
the way Lebron does prime Lebron or currently No, I'm
just saying prime Lebron, prime Luca. Luca is the better score.
Michael was the better score than Lebron. Lebron's the better
player because Lebron does so many other things. Well, Lebron
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was an elite defender, Lebron better passer. But in terms
of just here's ball, go score, I would argue Luca
in my lifetime. I'm trying to think Kareem was an
unstoppable score Duran j Luca Luke first of all, Luca's
body type, Luca's gonna last forever. Kd is spindily, Luca's
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gonna play for the next fifteen years. I'll make it.
I'll say it right now. Put it in the archives.
Ryan Luca finishes as a top three score in the history.
With a chance to finish, I think you're gonna see
fifteen more years of this. His game is not vertical,
so shooting.
Speaker 3 (26:41):
And I know people want to compare and say, well,
how would Michael Jordan fair against these quicker, longer defenders,
and Jordan would eat.
Speaker 6 (26:46):
But Jordan was a great athlete.
Speaker 3 (26:48):
Luca is not a great athlete, and he's still utterly
dominant regardless of who you put on him, he may
go down as like you said, the greatest scorer, pure
scorer in NBA.
Speaker 1 (26:58):
I'm trying to think of people that I have watched
because I think of Jokic as a score, a passer,
the body. I'm just talking, ball in hand, stop him,
and I'm like, he's as good as I've ever seen.
Just at that, we'll.
Speaker 3 (27:15):
See Kawhi elite defender couldn't stop him in twenty twenty,
and I don't think he's gonna be able to stop
him now.
Speaker 1 (27:21):
We'll see. This is interesting. J Mack with the news.
Speaker 2 (27:25):
Well, that's the news, and thanks for stopping by.
Speaker 1 (27:28):
The herd Line Danny Green top of the next hour.
Dane Brugler, the athletic who came out with his basically
draft guide, which is it's the Bible kind of you know,
I'm agnostic, so it is my Bible. It's it's really good.
He'll he'll join us as well. Uh, the Bucks say
Giannis is out, just throw this out for the regular season,
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that that team is fascinating, And did you notice this,
J Mac. I'm not gonna spend I'll talk about this
later so we know the Celtics Jalen Brown, Max Steel,
and we know they're gonna sign Tatum here quick, Max
Steele to see. They signed Drew Holiday to four years,
one hundred and thirty five million, and they got poor
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Singis on the books for a couple of years. So
you see what Boston is doing. If you watch what
is happening in the NBA, ten of the top eleven
teams have no bench just the way. In fact, let
me look this up. Let me look this up. Ten
of the bottom eleven bench scoring teams. Ten of the
eleven lousiest benches, our playoff teams. You see what's happening
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in the league. Now, spend your big money up top.
Spend it up top for the good teams. Do not
use the draft as a lottery hoping to win power Ball.
That's for the bad teams. Build your stars, big money,
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pay all of them. Don't worry about your bench. And
when you get that late first round pick in the draft.
As a good team, draft a three or four year
college player that can come in lower ceiling and just
an adult. Christian Brown can adult at Kansas three years.
So what happens to Houston? They're buying lottery tickets? OKC
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is buying lottery. They're looking for high ceiling guys. Denver
get me a college guy. Miami Heat they get the
UCLA kid, three four year player. So what you're doing now,
because there's almost no chance once you get past like
the thirteenth pick, to get a megastar in the NBA,
it's very rare, but it is interesting. What the Celtics
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are doing is what Denver is doing, which is pay
your stars, don't worry about the bench. Go get an
older college player, lower ceiling that can come in mature
and can play.
Speaker 3 (29:54):
But you could argue the Celtics use the draft. Tatum
is homegrown, Brown is homegrown and on Denver. Jokich and
Murray were both drafted by Denver. See, you've got to
hit on your high draft pick right and then you
supplement them will bring in saying there's.
Speaker 1 (30:08):
Two different models in the NBA. The bad teams use
the draft. They're taking flyers on mega talents that they
hope develop. The successful, good playoff teams use the draft
middle lower to go get experienced college guys who were
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grown ups. They get out of the development game. Rick
Buker recently talked about how veteran teams are going to
start looking for older guys.
Speaker 7 (30:37):
If you're drafting and you're saying, this guy's going to
be part of our rotation, I think you're going to
see teams taking players that have spent more years in
college as a result, because you're asking a guy to
play a role and to play without the ball, and
the only guys that are capable of doing that are
guys that have been in college for a while and
have to.
Speaker 1 (30:56):
Go through the process, had to at some.
Speaker 7 (30:58):
Point in their careers, and they stayed in college, they played,
They were in college a number of years before they
went to the NBA is because they weren't a star
right from the beginning, so they know how to play
a role. They have that experience.
Speaker 1 (31:10):
It's just interesting. There's two models now, and the Boston
model is gonna be. I think it's gonna be the
Denver model. Ten of the eleven bottom benches, those are
the playoff teams. Those are the good teams. They don't
care about bench, don't care about it anymore. They look
at the Celtics now in Denver will look at the
draft as diversifying their portfolio. Houston, San Antonio look at
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it as buying a Powerball ticket. Look at the bench
scoring here. You know, it's like the good teams don't
have a bench. They're not worried about it. They're just
gonna draft guys that can play and make them good. Now,
they're not gonna worry about because guys come out of
the draft they're nineteen. Like the Warriors, by the way,
tried this. They tried it with Wiseman. He couldn't play
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with the veteran players. So what do they do. They
go get Chris Paul. They draft guys that can come
in and play. Kaminga. I like Kaminga, but he doesn't
feel like I don't trust Kaminga at all in the playoffs.
He's just not refined enough. And that's with a good staff,
smart coaches in Golden State. Well some NFL stuff next.
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Speaker 3 (33:28):
A bitter rivalry is brewing in the Lone Star State
now Corry Seeger and the raining Champion Rangers. That'll Jose
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on FS one.
Speaker 1 (33:41):
I was thinking about this the other day. You know,
everybody talks about television's dying, Television's dying, and I always
I roll my eyes at that, and I always use
this example. I'm not I don't spend a lot of
time on TikTok. Have you know staff people around here
put some stuff on TikTok. I'm not on it almost ever.
My wife likes it, and I use this all the time.
If our government show or let's say TikTok just became
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about recipes in the culinarian industry, it would obviously shrink,
but it would be unbelievably powerful for the culinary industry
because they would dominate a platform. And when everybody always
talks about television, and I'm like, the only thing that
works on TV now is sports and we own it.
So is cable TV shrinking? Yeah? But why did the
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women's basketball tournament just set all time records? Why did
the men's basketball tournament have an incredibly healthy year? Does
everybody understand the ratings? This will be the most watched
NFL draft ever, and I think by a mile, because
sports now owns this platform that used to be shared
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by all sorts of shows. Now it's basically election yeer, politics,
the Oscars, and sports. College football, which is on television,
not on a streaming service. College football is going to
have a massive explosion of ratings this year with the
PAC twelve's top programs joining the Big Ten and Texas
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Oklahoma joining the SEC. So if a platform shrinks, but
then your industry owns it, it's an incredibly powerful mechanism.
So like this, this draft, even though we know who's
going one, and I've been told Jaden Daniels of LSU
is going to be who Washington currently favors as their pick.
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Now the things change. I've just been told if you
look at his style and Cliff Kingsbury's style and his
ability as the Washington offensive line is in a rebuild
mode this year and next, they're going to address it
in the draft. Is that Jaden Daniels' athletic ability it's
a little Lamar Jackson, not quite, but he can really run.
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Is the kind of quarterback that will indu as you're
rebuilding your O line. You know, Russell Wilson did not
have a lot of great old lines in Seattle in
his prime. He made it work. Kyler Murray Arizona didn't
have a lot of great old lines. He made it work.
So quarterbacks that can and Jaden now is that there
is absolutely some Lamar Jackson here at work. So my
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take is what I'm told is that Jade and Daniels,
the belief is he fits Cliff Kingsbury, who's got a
three year deal there, and he fits a program a
franchise that really isn't very good in the run game,
and isn't very good on the offensive line, and he
will create opportunities that wouldn't exist with a more top,
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a less dynamic mover and runner. So I think I
know who the first two picks are. I've been told
we all know Chicago's taking Kayleb Williams. But I think
keep your eye on the Chargers, the Patriots, Arizona, Giants, Jets, Minnesota.
I think a lot of times there's predictions that the
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draft will have a lot of movement and mobility, But
if you really look at this draft, New England could
go either way. They need a new roster, Arizona needs
more good players, and it's a wide receiver rich draft.
They could move down. Chargers are dying too move down.
The Giants certainly an option is moving down. It's such
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a good tackle draft. I've been told this that Tennessee
because they like Joe Alt and he made grade as
the best tackle, but he's actually got a lower ceiling
than some of the other tackles in the first round.
Joe Alt at Notre Dame is ready to play now
for the Jets or the Titans, but he doesn't necessarily
have the highest ceiling. He's seen as a guy that
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will start for ten years, a Pro Bowl or two,
but he's not considered high ceiling tackle, just ready to
play tackle. If I was the Bears, I would go down.
I would move down a couple of times. You can
get an edge rusher in the fifteenth to ninth teenth pick.
The Rams will probably take an edge rusher at nineteen.
The Bears could certainly get one at sixteen if they
move down and accumulate more picks. So I think we're
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going to have an unbelievable draft ratings wise, an unbelievable
Big ten year. The NFL was just up women's college
basketball won't equal last year or this past year, but
it's gonna be good. It's a growing business. And men's
college basketball was shockingly good in the tournament, even though
we had one great team and one star and a
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lot of average. So it's just, you know, I look
at this draft coming up, j Mac. I can't remember
the last time there was a draft. People make projections
all the time. Even the teams that like players, like
the Chargers love Brock Bauers. They think they can get
him at twelve. I'm told the Giants love they need
(38:53):
a wide receivert Roma Dunze. You can get him at eleven.
Joe Alt and the Titans, I'm told they think he's
really good. They don't think he's Jonathan Ogden, and they
think there's higher ceilings and they could go to fifty.
By the way, that's a roster in Tennessee. They need
a lot of players.
Speaker 6 (39:07):
They need a lot of guys.
Speaker 1 (39:08):
New England at three needs a quarterback what they really
need unless Jaden Daniels drops to them, which I am
not hearing, but if it happens, he would work in
New England maybe a little because he can move around
and they don't have playmakers. But this draft's go, it's
gonna be wild.
Speaker 3 (39:23):
So I had Albert Brero on my podcast and he
said there is some chatter that wide receivers, not necessarily Harrison,
but neighbors and a Dunza could be sliding a bit
as teams look at these offensive linemen and say, holy cow,
these guys are plugging play.
Speaker 6 (39:38):
They're ready to go.
Speaker 3 (39:39):
Yeah, and maybe there's a chance a Dunzee falls to
the Jets at nine and the tackles are off the board.
If the top three tackles are off the board, the
Oregon State kid, the Penn State kid and all. If
they're gone in four to eight, what do the Jets do?
I don't think you.
Speaker 6 (39:53):
Go tight end.
Speaker 1 (39:54):
If a Dunzae is the third best receiver, let's say
is second or third? I say, so, I saw him live.
I think he's third. What's the difference between the third
receiver and the sixth? Now? I think Harrison. There's a
big gap between him and most of the other receivers.
Same with the kid at LSU. But Odunzee. If the
difference between the third receiver and the seventh is not significant,
(40:19):
isn't a Dundee gonna be as successful as where he lands.
Even Larry Fitzgerald needed his better quarterbacks and all timer
to get better numbers.
Speaker 3 (40:28):
Let's remember Justin Jefferson went down on the list a
little bit as Bryant. A lot of guys wide receiver's
really good in the fifteen to twenty five rings.
Speaker 6 (40:36):
I think the real interesting situation is Harrison.
Speaker 3 (40:38):
There's a report now, I just saw it during commercial
break that Arizona wants the world for the number four pick,
and it looks like nobody's gonna really trade up, Like so,
then what does Minnesota do?
Speaker 6 (40:48):
Do they really go up or do they just stand
pat and maybe McCarthy falls to them. A lot of
weird stuff happening here.
Speaker 1 (40:54):
I think it's a circumstances draft. The Giants are going
to just see what happens, and the Giants will make
a big Bowl decision based on what happened fifteen minutes earlier.
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