April 11, 2024 • 42 mins
3-time NBA champion Danny Green joins the show to give his thoughts on the Bucks' struggles this season and what could happen if they are eliminated early in the playoffs once again
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Speaker 2 (00:21):
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Speaker 1 (00:25):
All right, here we go, it's our two. Great to
have you in. Albert breeran Danny Green fifteen years in
the legal stop on by last hour, Quite a pleasure.
The official NFL Draft dot guy Dane Brugler from the
Athletical stop By. He does as well good a job
as anybody does doing that. Jmac got it. Tell you
got a very exciting weekend plan going to Vegas for
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UFC three hundred twelve current reformer champions on that card,
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Speaker 3 (00:52):
What hotel you that?
Speaker 1 (00:54):
I'm not going to get into that? Very nice?
Speaker 3 (00:56):
Is the pool? Are the pools open yet?
Speaker 1 (00:57):
I'm not going to be at the pool.
Speaker 3 (01:00):
Get a command of Vegas now.
Speaker 1 (01:01):
Is a is a food and event town. It's not
a food a well, it's always been viewed as a
gambling town, but you can gamble all over the country.
Now it is a great food town and a great
event town.
Speaker 4 (01:11):
And that's why I think I would call Vegas more
of a party town than an event town.
Speaker 1 (01:16):
Come on, I mean, you got you're gonna have Super
Bowls and UFC three hundred. Vegas does big events, big,
big events. It used to be, you know, the money
was in certain things. It's it's when I when I
watch a lot of that, you walk through a slot
machine crowd. It's not a dynamic demographic.
Speaker 3 (01:34):
What's the gambling budget this weekend?
Speaker 1 (01:36):
Have you heard? I don't gamble? Want to go to Vegas?
I eat well and go to events. I don't gamble interesting,
no table games at all, none, zero crap. I won't gamble.
Speaker 3 (01:46):
Is a suckers game, but man, it can be fun gambling.
Speaker 1 (01:49):
Yeah, I'm not anti gambling. Did I tell you I
may gamble? I may sports book gamble, do a future
on USC being natty?
Speaker 3 (01:56):
Oh stop it?
Speaker 1 (01:57):
You seen their schedule?
Speaker 3 (01:58):
Ohio State is the Netty?
Speaker 1 (01:59):
Well? Yeah, problem real quick though.
Speaker 3 (02:01):
I was in the Bahamas.
Speaker 4 (02:02):
You could gamble there, and I wanted my kids to
watch me gamble at the table, and of course the
pit bosses are like, they have to be far away.
I was like, why, what's the who cares they can't
watch their dad gamble?
Speaker 3 (02:14):
And so I was like, I'm not giving you my money.
Speaker 1 (02:15):
I actually think that My wife always says this about parenting.
Be a great example or a horrible warning. Kids learn
from both. So I love telling my kids Dad gambles
a lot. Let them watch me see how it lands.
Life's an adventure. Let's see how it lands for the kids.
Speaker 4 (02:32):
Listen, some of these card games are straight up math games.
I want my kids thinking math when they're at the
gambling tables. I don't know why you're laughing. It's real time.
Speaker 1 (02:40):
I mean, if you're asking a kid, what would you
rather do? Craps or math? I think the answer is obvious.
Speaker 3 (02:47):
I mean, have you seen the movie twenty one The
Counting Cards in Vegas? Awesome movie, great movie.
Speaker 4 (02:51):
Yeah, I'm trying to teach my kids. Hey, listen, you
gotta be able to count some cards.
Speaker 1 (02:57):
I don't have a problem with any of this. Excellent parenting,
and I hope people out there can understand the value
of a good card game for children.
Speaker 3 (03:06):
Should we start turning the power hour into the parenting hour.
Speaker 1 (03:10):
That's a great idea, by the way. So I want
to I want to show you something. So Yannis is
out until the playoffs. He's out, you know, regular season
wraps up Sunday. He should be. It's got a little tweak.
So the Bucks this season kind of fascinating. The Bucks
this season without Yannis have a higher offensive rating in
games without him, make more threes and have a higher
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three point percentage in games without him, and they shoot
forty one and a half percent from three in games
without him, number one in the league when he's not
on the floor. Now, I'm not trying to argue long
term the Bucks are better without Yannis, but I will
argue the Dame Yanis thing's not working. It was a
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hail Mary. If I say hail Mary in the NFL,
what do you think, low percentage desperation. The Dame thing
was much lower percentage and more desperate than anybody wants
to acknowledge. They've had all season to figure it out
and they can't. It was a hail Mary, which we've
said multiple times. So, and they don't have any first
round picks right all the pick swaps they gave it
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away to get Dame and Drew Holliday. They have a
very very old roster, and I think Bobby Portis is
the kid at twenty nine, I think a lot. I
think Giannis knows all of this stuff. So the other thing,
the NBA draft is not the NFL draft. I mean,
Houston can be awful. They hit in a quarterback and
a couple of receivers in the coach, they win the
division the next year. That's not the NBA draft. I mean,
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think how good of a coach Greg Popovich is. They're
gonna go like, you know, twenty and sixty two and
he's got Wemby because you're getting nineteen year old kids.
So in the NFL you can turn it around. Bill
Parcells went to Miami, not even as a coach, as
a personnel guy, a GM guy. I mean they went
like I mean, they went from like one win to
eleven or something like that, five to eleven or one
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to eleven. You can do that in the NFL. You
can't in the NBA. So you know, my take is
the Tea Wolves have had high draft picks forever. I
don't think they've won a playoff series in like twenty years,
twenty twenty one years. So I think Milwaukee's in a
weird space, so they need some They're an old roster.
The Dame thing's not necessarily working as you look at
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all the analytics. Could it get better next year? Certainly
some stuff doesn't gel, but it's not like they haven't
played together. So it's very fascinating. I said, I don't
know how good Milwaukee is. I think they're the most
interesting playoff team if they get matched up early with
a Boston and Philadelphia or a Cleveland get run or
a Miami and get run. I think Giannis is over
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struggling in the playoffs. I think he's over it. Danny
Green fifteen years, three NBA championships. What's interesting he got
olding with the Spurs, the Raptors in the Lakers host
to Inside the Game Room with Danny Green. Smart guy.
I always love him on the show. You know we
talked about that is that sometimes when you get a
star and you're not in a glamorous market like a Milwaukee,
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and you may win, but you're like, we got to
make this move because players won't choose us. We got
to go trade for them. And I thought that Dame
Janni's thing would be better. The analytics tell you it's
not great. Are you surprised that Damon Giannis Danny has
not been a perfect fit.
Speaker 5 (06:26):
No, I think this year, I think a lot of
people expected better. But it's just the first year. Mind you.
There's been a lot of changes. There's been a lot
of injuries, guys coming and going. During the trade deadline,
they picked up different people. I don't think that they
don't fit. I just don't think that the defensive side
is producing the way they expected. Yeah, and that's the
dude to the lack of Drew and the pieces they've
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gotten around, you know, letting Drew go change your defense,
letting certain people go change your defense. So you know,
Jay Crowd is a guy that's had injuries. They don't
have a bunch of three and D guys, and the
Malie Beasley's been shooting the hell out of the ball. Defensively,
he had to carry a load in that starting group
of guarding the perimeter because obviously they're a little bit smaller.
You know, Dame is not not the greatest, he's not terrible,
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but he's just smaller. They have a smaller you know,
front court or back court with him, and then Pat
dev he's a defender too, but he's smaller. So I
think that's where their weaknesses are. It's not the offense.
Obviously dam can score, Jannis score Brooks and shoots it well.
They have good shooters around them, But defensively is where
they lack a lot of the discipline. And then with
the coaching change, you know that that mix things a
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little bit harder. You mid season, you got it thirty
and thirteen, you have coaching change, probably change up a
whole offense trying to figure.
Speaker 6 (07:35):
Each other out. I think it just needs more time.
Speaker 5 (07:37):
So I'm not that shocked, but I also think you
have to we have to give a little bit a
great more grace period because of the things that have
happened this year with them.
Speaker 1 (07:45):
So I was saying to start the show that there
was a time my favorite first player was doctor j
and we all love Michael and it was the spectacular.
But analytics now are not about dunks and the spectacular,
about different things. The league's getting more European and two
and by the way, when you play below the rim,
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you age more gracefully. You start high flying, you crash
to the floor. John Wall, Dwight, Howard Blake, Griffin, Russell Westbrook,
Steph's thirty six looks like he could play forever. Luca
and Jokic, to me, those guys look like they could
shoot those jumpers until they were forty four years old.
So I look at Luca, and I look at the
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European players, and I look at Jokic, and it's not
as aesthetically pleasing. It's not the NBA I grew up with.
I love it, but I look at those teams. Do
you see what's happening to the league where these guys
that kind of play more deliberately below the rim, analytic superstars,
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not that optically they're not jumping, high flying guys. Do
you see the change the NBA is moving to more
European and that Luca and Jokic maybe are Magic and
Bird the next ten years.
Speaker 5 (09:02):
Yeah, I see it, But I also think it's never
gonna go like completely away from the American type of
basketball style of play. I guess you would say, quote
unquote of the athleticism. You know, you still have guys
like Anthony Edwards, You still have guys like John Morant.
Those guys are still they just maybe if they can
adapt an adjust, But some of them, said their careers
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may not last as long like a Dirk because they
shoot the one legged fade, which you don't have to
be athletic to do. But they're great players, and I
see them adapting Tojustin. But yes, I have seen that
the league has changed some and going in that direction.
Speaker 6 (09:35):
Those guys are crafty.
Speaker 5 (09:36):
They're pros at fifteen sixteen years old, so they have
really good fundamentals. They have really good touch, they have
high IQ. There's some smart smarter, probably smarter than some
of the American players for sure because they've been doing
it so long and they have to be smarter, crafty
because they're not as athletic. But I still see a
lot of that American style play happening because we have
so many dynamic superstars, so many guys that can do
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not only be athletic, but can score it too. Under
the rim and do this, said Anthony Edwards and John Morant.
Those guys I could still see them shake SGA. I
see those guys still be able to score and adapted
adjust when their athleticism isn't as high as it was
when they're younger. Blake people say Blaker, but he developed
the jumper of mid range. He shot some threes and
in Detroit and you play a different style of game.
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So I can see guys adapt and adjusted as they
get older. But you know, people love That's the reason
why they sell out of tickets. People love to watch
those type of things. People want to see those type
of things. They want to see the athleticism, they want
to see the dunks, they want to see the fast breaks.
Why they change, you know, the the take foul rule,
the you know, stopping the break for rule, because they
want to see more fast breaks and more points and
more threes. So yeah, I can't see as completely getting
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away from it.
Speaker 1 (10:43):
Yeah, I've said I don't think the Lakers could beat Denver,
but I could argue they may match up better with
them than anybody, not name the Celtics. They're long, uh
le A d at least makes yo Kiitch work. He's
such a dominating defensive player, and he's been healthy now
for a year and a half. Lebron in any big
series can take over a game and create shots, and
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then they have enough guys. Austin Reeves d Lo can
hit a jumper. I don't know if they can beat Denver.
I look at Denver and they don't have much of
a bench. Most good teams in this league don't they
pay their big guys up front?
Speaker 6 (11:18):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (11:19):
Do you think anybody in the West like I think?
I think Okac is just too young. I watched Minnesota
last night, and I'm like, they kind of match up
with him. Is there a team that you think forces
Denver six or seven games or potentially could beat him?
Speaker 6 (11:35):
I said, one on one, I agree with you.
Speaker 5 (11:37):
I think Anthony Davis is the best one on one
matchup for Jokic, And even then, Jokic kind of yeah,
plays pretty well against the Lakers. There's no one on
one match up for him in the league that you
can you know that that's gonna stop him. I think
the best matchup you said Minnesota last night, but they
still a missing.
Speaker 6 (11:52):
Call Anthony Towns. Yeah.
Speaker 5 (11:53):
I think with those two bigs, it gives Jokic the
best look, and I think they're the only team in
the West that gives them the best matchup.
Speaker 2 (11:59):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (11:59):
Now, Lakers, they have good pieces.
Speaker 5 (12:01):
I don't think they have that second big that they
need to because Ad is better playing away from the ball,
off the ball weak side having to guard Yokic and
the gardener. Aaron Gordon a cutter a lot, but block
shots on the week's side. But he doesn't have that.
Speaker 6 (12:13):
They have Jackson Hayes, but I don't know if that's enough.
Speaker 5 (12:15):
Yeah, you know, the best times when we were able
to face them or play them on with the Lakers,
when we had Jabelle McGee, Dwight Howard. We had multiple
bigs that we could throw at him and you know,
play the two big game to where two defensive bigs
can make it hard for him. The only team that
I see that that kind of emulates that is the
Minnesota Timberwolves.
Speaker 6 (12:32):
When they have Carlthon Town's healthy.
Speaker 5 (12:33):
They didn't need to get him back sooner than later
if they want to make a good run in the playoffs.
Speaker 1 (12:38):
I think if Jannis gets bounced early in the playoffs,
he'll grumble. I think Jalen Brunson's better than I ever
thought he would be. I think Golden State would make
a run and move off all their young bigs. They
give up draft picks, Kaminga, they give up anything. They're
gonna keep, probably Draymond Staff and Pods if they can.
But they'll move off a lot. If let's say you
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were Yannis and here come the Knicks, here come the Warriors.
Would just stay in the East, which is weaker because
I do think if Milwaukee gets bounced, I mean, Jannie
is moving through some coaches here. They don't have a
lot of draft picks. Boston looks like they're much better
equipped for the future. So is okay seeing Denver? If
you were a Yiannis and you were unhappy, is there
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a place? Because Brunson's better than I thought he would
ever be, I'm not so sure. I think New York
and Yannis makes sense. No, I think it.
Speaker 6 (13:32):
Makes more sense than Golden State.
Speaker 5 (13:34):
They're a little bit younger that have said it's in
the East as more as wide open.
Speaker 6 (13:38):
The West is tough.
Speaker 7 (13:39):
Man.
Speaker 5 (13:39):
If I'm one of those guys, I would not try
to say.
Speaker 6 (13:42):
I mean, some guys love the challenge. I mean, honest,
is not getting younger.
Speaker 5 (13:45):
He has the issues with the calf, the knee, and
his ailments are coming along.
Speaker 6 (13:49):
So when he's younger, it maybe different. Like I want
all the smoke.
Speaker 5 (13:52):
I want to get to the West and play in
the West Coast teams and try to beat those guys.
But he's already won with Milwaukee he's proven that he's
a champion and done it with his group in his cities.
So he's done what he's supposed to do when he
was in the city Milwaukee. He's able to do that now,
figure out what he wants to do and what's best
for him without the city holding it against him. And
I do think the best place for him in the
East would probably be in the New York Knicks, honestly,
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but then you'd have to let go of some guys.
They can keep jalen Og and him, you have to
get rid of the Julius Randall, Mitch Robinson, Hartstein like,
there's a lot of pieces that you have to probably
move in that deal that you don't want to get
rid of because they have a lot of great pieces
there in New York. But yeah, that would probably be
the best fit for him in the East.
Speaker 1 (14:30):
Finally, Wemby again better than I thought. Another European played
against older players, so he walks into this league gets
really good, like Luca and Yokich. You know, Luca was
by his twentieth game in this league, You're like, oh,
we got an elite scorer. Is Wemby better than you
thought he would be? At this age, and at this time, I.
Speaker 5 (14:53):
Think, yes, all the people you just mentioned are a
lot better. I thought I knew Jaylen Brunson was good.
I didn't think he'd be great, and I thought, you know,
you know, the new bright lights would make it different.
But Wemby, I think he has proven a lot of
people wrong because nobody expected this. A lot of people
thought Bobo. A lot of people thought he was too
tall and not agile enough to guard the pick and roll.
Speaker 6 (15:11):
But he's able to do it all.
Speaker 5 (15:12):
He's able to guard, he's able to protect the rim,
he's able to shoot threes, play from the high post,
and to do it in such a short stint man
is impressive. So is his rookie year. Still and the
best is yet to come. So yeah, he's exceeded my expectation.
He's way better than I expected him to be. And
I can't wait to see, you know, what his ceiling
is or what he gets to in the next couple
of years. He's probably gonna be the face of the league. Yeah,
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the next three years.
Speaker 1 (15:35):
Or so inside the green room with Danny Green, three rings,
three different teams, fifteen years in the league. Good luck
to you, Congrats in your success with your pod man.
Speaker 6 (15:45):
Thank you many, catch me inside the green room. I
appreciate you guys.
Speaker 1 (15:48):
All right, Danny Green, Yeah, I think is Wemby is.
But the thing is the European guys get good really
fast because they play against older players in the academy
and our guys, you know, it's like, you know, the
they basically they're one and done or they go G league.
So it just their ceilings are high. But it takes
a while. Like Jalen Green finally, now finally is like
playing defense, can hit a three, and now he's just
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not run around guy. It's like Jalen Green is athletic,
but it's like, okay, now finally he gets the coaching.
Jalen Green now is playing like a winning basketball style.
Speaker 3 (16:21):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (16:21):
The one Bin Yama situation is interesting. Could you be
the defensive player of the year if you're on one
of the three worst teams in the league because.
Speaker 2 (16:28):
He's been unbelievable?
Speaker 1 (16:30):
What are the analytics? I don't have a problem a lot.
We're not we're not saying MVP.
Speaker 3 (16:33):
We're just team success.
Speaker 4 (16:35):
It's like basically comes down to Rudy Gobert or Victor
Wembin Yama. And Gobert is on like one of the
best teams in the league, a defensive juggernaut, and Spurs
can't stop anybody. But webbin Yama individually is killing everybody defensive.
Speaker 1 (16:49):
Well, if it was a draw, I'd give it to
the winning team, but if the numbers lean in a direction,
I'll choose that. I don't have to have teams. We're
not talking MVP. If you're a bad team, you're not
getting the MVP. You're not that valuable, you're not making
the playoffs. But if you're just talking about an elite
defensive player, you can win the scoring title on a
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bad team. You're not voted on by that. Why can't
you win an individual award on a bad team?
Speaker 3 (17:15):
Thank you, MVP.
Speaker 1 (17:17):
I don't need you to be the best team, but
you got to be like a high level and you
gotta be on a playoff team.
Speaker 4 (17:22):
One of us may have a futures ticket on Webbin
Yama Defensive Player of the Year. You know, I'm not
lobbying for it, but I'm just saying, like the numbers say,
Wembin Yama has been extraordinary and to hear Danny Green,
nobody thought he was going to be bull Bull, Come on,
do people really think that? Well, were there doubters on
Wembanyama look at that level?
Speaker 1 (17:40):
When I heard about Luca and I watched Luca. I
can remember watching Luca on on YouTube. I'm like, he's
kind of plotting. I mean, he'll score in this league.
But I'm like, that guy's gonna take over. Everybody was saying, Luca,
you know, oh my god, you're gonna take over the league.
And I'm like, he plays in slow motion, like he'll
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score a lot of guys I've grown up with scores
my whole life. And then Luca gets here and you're like,
oh god, Like I mean, I can remember his rookie year.
He's twenty games in and Lebron was asked about Luca.
He's like, yeah, you can't stop that guy. He was nineteen.
Speaker 4 (18:16):
I mean, you can't stop wembin Yama. Now he has
no teammates. Put the Spurs near the top of the
list of interesting offseason teams.
Speaker 3 (18:23):
They should be in the mix for this. Trey Young
talk that the Lakers could get Trey Young.
Speaker 1 (18:27):
If Popovich would like Trey Young, I don't think he will.
Speaker 3 (18:30):
I'll tell you what wee.
Speaker 4 (18:31):
Ben Yama is not going to sit around and be
like a nineteen win team for another couple of years.
Speaker 3 (18:34):
That I don't think that's on.
Speaker 1 (18:36):
That's you know, Povitch runs that he doesn't have any time.
Speaker 3 (18:39):
Wem Biyama's made some veiled comments at the All Star
break like.
Speaker 4 (18:42):
He's putting it out there that this is not fun
and I want to win.
Speaker 2 (18:45):
Yeah, losing sixty games, Yeah.
Speaker 3 (18:47):
Go get me some guys.
Speaker 1 (18:49):
But I'm the franchise I can argue Popovich. His theory
is you can't win with a player. This is a
two to three year process. We're going to be back
in the lottery and get another great player. Then then
you go get your ancillary players. The Popovitch new they
weren't gonna be a great team, they put them on
a minute's restriction, a game restriction, which, by the way,
was the right thing to do with that body type.
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This is not an overnight The NBA draft is not
the NFL draft.
Speaker 4 (19:14):
Papavich is like seventy three years old or whatever he
is whatever. A couple of year progress report and then
we'll come back and.
Speaker 1 (19:21):
I think I think the Spurs are doing it the
right way now. In three years, if there's a thirty
eight win team. They're not, that's too late.
Speaker 4 (19:28):
Fix it now, Well, come mix it now, you're one
drop the hammer.
Speaker 1 (19:34):
Come on, I'm not kidding you gotta let stuff bake.
Speaker 4 (19:38):
Unicorn player, once in a generation talent and you're gonna
be like, let's take our time.
Speaker 1 (19:43):
Well, it's different like when a Ewing arrived, he had
three or four years of college. It was different then.
The NBA now is it's just nineteen year old kids.
You're not gonna win with them. I mean, it's just now.
I mean just it's just now that Ann Edwards is like,
oh this is it's a veteran NBA. He can defend
and he was great.
Speaker 3 (20:03):
Well he was in the playoffs last year.
Speaker 1 (20:05):
I mean, but he was a build around guy for
All Star break first year. You're like, whoa took him
two and three years to become like a winning playoff
level player. NFL guy CJ. Stroudwalks in, you're like, top
ten quarterback, fourth round, fifth round, you can get Pooka Nakoupi.
You're like, oh, yeah, that's a Pro Bowl receiver. Because
they've been in college football for four years. They're grown ups.
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They've been in weight rooms for three, four or five years.
Wehmby he needs more time in a weight room. All
these guys around him are kids.
Speaker 3 (20:34):
For two people who are not good with being patient.
You and I right, we agree.
Speaker 1 (20:39):
I'm not.
Speaker 3 (20:39):
That's one of my weaknesses. I'm not patient.
Speaker 1 (20:42):
You're not either, I'm not. I mean, I think certain
times you have to be. When you're a parent and
your kids aren't at the crap table, you need to
be patient.
Speaker 2 (20:51):
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Speaker 1 (21:01):
We are just We're just doing things the right way
on this show. That's all I'm gonna say with that.
Speaker 3 (21:05):
Oh wait, is that a veiled comment about another show?
Speaker 8 (21:08):
I know.
Speaker 1 (21:08):
I gotta tell you you talk more hockey. I love
I love your insistence that children need to see dad gamble. Ryan,
Are you in on that parenting one on one? He
know he doesn't have kids, Well, it doesn't mean he
doesn't read books on kids.
Speaker 3 (21:23):
He definitely does not read books on kids.
Speaker 1 (21:27):
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Speaker 3 (21:33):
I can't believe you never played the card game.
Speaker 4 (21:36):
Twenty one with your kids like it was like you know,
in Vegas casino, but in your house with like pennies,
you don't do that.
Speaker 1 (21:43):
But I'm not against it.
Speaker 2 (21:45):
It's good for quick math, recall.
Speaker 1 (21:47):
I think that's actually really clever and smart.
Speaker 3 (21:51):
That's why I'm here.
Speaker 1 (21:52):
It's a gateway game, though, a little bit of a
gateway game.
Speaker 3 (21:56):
Gateway game, all right.
Speaker 4 (21:57):
Russell Wilson is getting a fresh start in Pittsburgh after
a pretty busty two years in Denver. He'll pair with
Mike Tomlin as they both look for their second Super Bowls.
Russ gave his new coats and praise, saying it's one
of the greatest gifts in the world to be able
to work with Mike Tomlin.
Speaker 3 (22:14):
M Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 1 (22:17):
Greatest gifts in the world. That's a desk, A big
handful there isn't it a little bit much?
Speaker 3 (22:23):
But this is Russ's brand. He's always over the top.
Speaker 1 (22:25):
Well, he's very optimistic. That's not a bad quality to have.
Very optimistic. It's a little it's a little much for some,
a little cringey for some, But optimism is that a
bad thing?
Speaker 3 (22:35):
You'd be an optimist I'll be a realist. Okay, okay,
the realist.
Speaker 4 (22:39):
Hey, Mike might be done after this year, and I'm
on my last hurrah, I'm on my third coach in
four years.
Speaker 2 (22:46):
Yeah, not great.
Speaker 1 (22:49):
No, I think I veered toward you know, when people
say you want the good news or the bad news,
Give me the bad news. Yeah, yeah, I'm not looking
for fluffing rainbow. Yeah, Cotton Candy, give me the bad
news he got. I don't think Pittsburgh, I don't know exactly.
All follow Vegas and DraftKings on the steels. I don't
know what to.
Speaker 6 (23:06):
Make of them.
Speaker 3 (23:06):
Okay, let me ask who's the worst team in that division?
Speaker 1 (23:13):
Raiders this morning? In that Oh, I'm sorry, Brown's Bengals,
And I would say, what Pittsburgh.
Speaker 4 (23:22):
Yeah, by the way, Nick Chubb, going back to the
Browns coming off that gruesome interest, I would rounds it
gonna better, Pittsburgh probably gonna win seven, eight games?
Speaker 1 (23:30):
What's the over? What's there over under? What's the future?
Speaker 4 (23:33):
Better?
Speaker 1 (23:34):
I think they're about an eight win team?
Speaker 2 (23:36):
Yeah, eight n half?
Speaker 1 (23:37):
Yeah, i'd probably I'd probably take the under.
Speaker 3 (23:41):
You don't have to bet all the total.
Speaker 1 (23:43):
I don't think I would bet that I don't feel
strongly about that. I think they're an eight to nine
win team. So Vegas is right on that number. I
feel very strongly that the Vikings are over six and
a half for the record. What what did I feel
most strongly about last year at this time? What team
was underappreciated? The Rams? And I said over six and
(24:05):
a half. I said that in Stafford Donald, Cooper, cup
and mcmick.
Speaker 3 (24:09):
They were old and they you know, they had a
quarterback Sath.
Speaker 1 (24:12):
They have a great quarterback Minnesota there. I know Sam
personnel is all the offensive guys Shanahan. You don't know that,
Kevin O'Connell. They all like Sam Donald.
Speaker 3 (24:26):
I know, I like Sam Donald. He's a nice guy.
What happened to him in Carolina? Had that had that
work out?
Speaker 1 (24:33):
Let me ask you this. Let me ask you this.
What works in Carolina? NBA and NFL?
Speaker 3 (24:37):
What evidence do we have that he doesn't work? I mean,
he didn't play, and we don't.
Speaker 1 (24:41):
We don't have evidence that he's a franchise guy. We
have evidence though Baker Mayfield could could get you to
a playoff. We have evidence that Sam's really talented, but
we don't have evidence that he consistently wins. I think, well,
Vegas is telling you he doesn't. Vegas doesn't buy Sam
Donald NFL offensive coach, but the draft Kings just saying
(25:01):
we don't trust him now. But I but I do
think the one I tend to bet unders, the one
over bet to me was the Rams last year and
the Vikings. The Vikings are not going to be a
lousy football So.
Speaker 3 (25:15):
This just hit me.
Speaker 4 (25:16):
So last year at this time, Baker Mayfield goes to
Tampa and everybody's like, oh, they're going to be sellers
at the deadline. You get a quarterback on his second, third,
fourth chance. You've got some skill position guys that Tampa had,
Evans and Godwin. You got a pretty good offensive minded
guy in Canalis calling place I could maybe you're right
on Minnesota and I'm missing something.
Speaker 3 (25:36):
Maybe they're the Tampa of last year.
Speaker 1 (25:40):
The difference is the NFC North is really good. Chicago
is going to be noticeably better Detroit and Green Bay.
I would argue, you love Detroit and Green Bay.
Speaker 3 (25:49):
Are you sure you want to move to Chicago or
is it not Detroit or Green Bay?
Speaker 1 (25:52):
Let me tell you something. Go walk here, go to
the Milwaukee Dells, the Wisconsin Dells every weekend. Yeah, living
I heard a sixers real cheap at the Dells, like
a very cheap. Next story is the Arizona Cardinals.
Speaker 3 (26:04):
They're open to trading the.
Speaker 4 (26:05):
Fourth pick in the draft, but they reportedly won a
huge haul Ford I tease this earlier.
Speaker 3 (26:09):
So Arizona is said.
Speaker 4 (26:11):
To want to deal similar to what the Niners did
in twenty twenty one to draft when they got Trey Lance.
In that deal, San Francisco said three firsts and a
third to grab Trey Lance. That's what Arizona wants for
the fourth pick. I think that's insanity, and I think
they end up probably just taking Marvin here. Nobody's giving
up three ones for the fourth best quarterback in the draft.
Speaker 3 (26:33):
That's not happening.
Speaker 8 (26:33):
That's not happening.
Speaker 4 (26:35):
So now you end up with Marvin Harrison at four,
and I do think you're probably right.
Speaker 3 (26:39):
Then Chargers go offensive line.
Speaker 1 (26:41):
I was thinking about this. Here's the only two teams
I am sure will not trade down, Bears, Commanders. That's it.
Three through sixteen could all trade down. I do think
Minnesota and Seattle will trade up raiders as well, potentially,
(27:05):
but the only two teams that are not and should
not trade down in my opinion, Bears commanders everybody else.
There's an argument get out of there and go back.
Speaker 4 (27:14):
Okay, so if Minnesota is really moving up, whatever where
are they going?
Speaker 5 (27:20):
Like?
Speaker 3 (27:21):
Are they going six?
Speaker 1 (27:22):
Minnesota could stay put if like again, let's just say this,
the Patriots opt not to get a quarterback because they
like Caleb and Jayden Daniels and New England doesn't like
any of the other quarterba they don't like, so they
just say. Patriots say, we'll take Marvin Harris. No way,
they don't have a receiving corps. And if the Cardinals say,
(27:43):
I mean again, there's a world in which the Vikings
don't have to move up much. So let's say the
Patriots take a non quarterback, Cardinals taken on quarterback, the
Chargers can't find a buyer, they take a non quarterback.
The Giants don't like the available quarterbacks. I mean, start
looking at that. I don't think the Tights john drafting.
Speaker 3 (28:03):
A quarterback right. Titans are not.
Speaker 4 (28:04):
They're gonna rock with Will Levis, see what he's got.
The Falcons are not taking a quarterback. The Bears at
nine or not.
Speaker 1 (28:09):
If the New England Patriots and the Chargers cannot find
a trade partner. They can't find one, and the Chargers
and the Patriots stay put and draft a receiver, which
they both need. Then Minnesota starts thinking, what are we
doing here? We don't have to move now.
Speaker 3 (28:26):
I don't think they will. I think they can get
McCarthy at eleven.
Speaker 4 (28:29):
I think all this JJ McCarthy top six is fueled
by teams in the top eight trying to get them
to trade up for McCarthy. I don't think McCarthy goes
top eight. Final story is, oh, this is fun. Caitlin
Clark said goodbye to Iowa basketball Wednesday as the team
was honored for their runner up finish.
Speaker 3 (28:47):
She thanked everyone, and Iowa announced Caitlin.
Speaker 4 (28:49):
Clark's number twenty two jersey will be retired. Kind of cool,
we know how impactful she was. A lot of people
are debating, oh, women's college hoops will go back to
what it was before Caitlin Clark next year.
Speaker 1 (29:03):
Well, well, by the way, it's possible. It was a
growing sport regardless, so it's not going to go back
to nineteen eighty five levels. It will be vibrant, and
I do think Juju Watkins. There's returning really good players.
Speaker 3 (29:15):
Yukon's good, South Carolina's good.
Speaker 4 (29:17):
But also Kaitlyn Clark going WNBA. So you know, my
daughter plays Hoops I Coaster, We're awesome. We're already looking
at Caitlin Clark tickets for when she comes to LA, right,
and if you look at the WNBA tickets for the
LA sparks, it's like you can get in for twenty bucks.
Speaker 3 (29:35):
Twenty bucks the Kaitlin Clark games like one hundred.
Speaker 1 (29:37):
And fifty dollars. That's what jacked up prices.
Speaker 4 (29:40):
And then you see reports like almost all of her
games the prices are swollen massively.
Speaker 1 (29:45):
No, you think Connor McGregor fights are a little more expensive.
This is what stars. She's a star and.
Speaker 3 (29:49):
Amar legitimate start question. My daughter's like, will she be
a starter in the WNBA. I was like, probably, yeah.
Speaker 1 (29:56):
H I don't know if she'll be an All star,
but she'll. In the history of basketball, if somebody is
appropriately sized, you know, high school to college, college to
pro and they're great scorers, they usually score. Doesn't mean
they'll be a great player, but she'll be a score
in the E.
Speaker 4 (30:10):
At the level where like if you're at a bar
and you're hanging out with buddies and you look at
the screen and Caitlin Clark's in a WNBA game, You're
probably gonna have one eye on the game, even if
you're not a women's college tab Absolutely, because of the
Caitlin Clark factor. There's like, that's just the reality she
is going to draw my attention. I couldn't tell you
who the number one pick was last year. I have
no clue or the year before that, but I know
(30:30):
she's out of interest to.
Speaker 1 (30:31):
A lot in my lifetime. Cheryl Miller and Caitlyn Clark
are the two biggest stars in women's college basketball. Don't
mean they're the best players, but to me, there was
a lot of Nancy Lieberman was a great player. I mean,
there's been a lot of great Deanna Tarossi super, There's
been a lot of great players by a more, but
the two iconic stars. Remember, it's like the NBA has
had a lot of great players, MJ. Shack, Magic, you know,
(30:57):
Lebron Steph. Not many become icons. You know, all the
great NBA players, about seven of them that have become like,
you know, Karl Malone was great, a team was great.
A lot of great players have been about six icons.
Speaker 3 (31:10):
Steph is in the icon status.
Speaker 1 (31:11):
Stepf's in the icon status, Lebron's in the icon status, Kobe, Shack, Magic, MJ.
Not many.
Speaker 4 (31:17):
Okay, let me ask you next dinnery Heyd's great, he's
not in the icons. Okay, it'd just take your time
on this thing. Is Ja Morant in the icon status
or is he approaching it?
Speaker 1 (31:26):
No? God no.
Speaker 3 (31:27):
So here's the weird thing. I know.
Speaker 4 (31:30):
You know, I got a lot of dads and their
kids are like my kid's age ten, eleven, twelve, thirty forty.
Speaker 3 (31:34):
Jamarant is like a superhero to these young.
Speaker 1 (31:37):
Kids, but you know who he's not to those of
us that.
Speaker 3 (31:40):
I get it.
Speaker 4 (31:40):
But I'm talking like in a few years, all these
young kids will be of buying power.
Speaker 3 (31:45):
They want his sneaker, they've got jamran.
Speaker 1 (31:46):
Us, and they'll be out in the first round of
the playoffs.
Speaker 4 (31:49):
I'm with you, man, I'm just like Jamaran is more
beloved than Zion is right now among young and.
Speaker 1 (31:54):
He is not an icon either. Is he more beloved
than Steph?
Speaker 3 (31:58):
Steph has been in the league for fifteen years. Don't
do that to me.
Speaker 1 (32:01):
Come on.
Speaker 4 (32:02):
I'm trying to have a reasonable discussion. There's something about
Ja Morant that everybody loves. I don't love him, but.
Speaker 1 (32:08):
I don't dislike him. But he's not going to be
an icon. First of all, high flying guy that doesn't
shoot well, ends up getting hurt, ends up not really
winning in the playoffs. At some point, there's a ceiling
to that beyond Hey he's flashy. That's fun too, but
you know who's going to advance in the playoffs. Yokich,
I'm boring old Jason Tatum.
Speaker 3 (32:28):
I get.
Speaker 4 (32:30):
Well, I mean, just a little diss he loves I
can't wait for the playoffs to start. Celtics are going
to dominate so much about another forty piece.
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Speaker 1 (34:08):
All right, we got some NFL stuff percolating. Albert Breer
is now going to join us live. Albert's always got
the very late of stuff Monday Morning Quarterback. So I
was interesting. I like Greg McElroy, but I kind of
rolled my eyes at the Caleb Williams hasn't faced in
the adversity and I'm like, have you watched USC's offensive
line for two years? It's nickname was adversity. It's just bad.
(34:29):
So I and I think the Pac twelve was actually
good last year and there was only one way to
win there, and it was by shootout. He didn't have
very many bad halfs. Your take on as we get
closer to the draft, the nitpicking on Caleb is any
of it do you hear around the leak? Is there
any of it that you think, Oh, I kind of
buy that.
Speaker 8 (34:51):
No, I mean, I think he's a pretty clean prospect overall.
You know, like some of this stuff. It's interesting because
you know, you see people putting clips out of Caleb
scrambling around right like when there might be open receivers,
and so this is a good example of why you
need to talk to the teams and not just look
at the tape, right, Like, yeah, I had one team
tell me and this was last week, maybe the week
(35:12):
before that, when they had Caleb in a meeting. They
asked him about one of these plays, and he had
Brendan Rice open over the middle at about five yards,
and he passed that up broken tain rate to the
right side, winds up scrambling for twenty five yards. And
Caleb's explanation was, well, you know, I saw Brendon and
Rice open at five, but it looked like he was
(35:33):
going to be taken down at seven yards and it
was third nine, and so I figured we weren't going
to pick it up that way, so I could pick
up the nine yards on my own with my legs,
which instead of just not seeing something, would show you
that he's got pretty good processing speed, right, So you know,
I mean, we've just this guy's It's another example of
this guy just having been on a pedestal for so long,
(35:54):
and you build him up for so long, that's all
it's left to do is tear him down. The question
with his dad was a real one. And that came up,
you know, but I you know, I know what Cliff
Kingsbury told the Bears was that Caleb's dad was in
the practice facility just once last year. It's just one time,
and that Caleb's dad's involved in the business side, but
not really the football side. So you know, I'm not
(36:16):
saying that there's no questions with him as a prospect.
Obviously there are. But you know, I think as far
as the onfield stuff goes, there's a lot of disagreement
on Drake May within the league. There's a lot of
disagreement within on JJ McCarthy. There's even disagreement on Jaden Daniels.
There's much less disagreement on Caleb Williams, much more unanimous
of an opinion that he belongs at the very top
(36:37):
of this.
Speaker 1 (36:37):
So I said, Albert, I'm gonna put up our draft
board here. I said, outside of Chicago, they're taking Caleb
and Washington. I'm told strong lead to Jade and Daniels.
Cliff Kingsbury likes his style. They don't have a run
gamer an, no line. They think he fits and makes
them more dynamic. Immediately. Outside of those two picks, I
(36:59):
could are you everybody else outside of maybe the Vikings
would couldn't move down. Is there anybody else besides the
Vikings that you see as a move up team.
Speaker 8 (37:13):
Yeah, there are three teams that have investigated moving up,
the Giants, the Broncos, and the Raiders. And so you
have the Vikings at eleven, they've obviously investigated it. You
have the Giants at six, You have the Broncos at twelve,
and the Raiders at thirteen. And I think part of
that would sort of depend on what quarterbacks are available.
(37:33):
Like you hear the Raiders connected to Jade and Daniels
quite a bit because Jaden Daniels was coached by Antonio
Pierce for three years in Arizona State. But if Jaden
goes two to Washington, maybe that idea of trading up
is dead. The Broncos, I think it's dependent on Sean
Payton's whether or not he sees one of these quarterbacks
that way. And if he does, like I don't, I
(37:54):
wouldn't doubt that he'd be aggressive, given that he really
liked Patrick Mahomes seven years ago and missed out on
them by one pick. And we're all sort of prisoners
to our own history. You know, and obviously we know
the Vikings are trying to move up, and you know,
I think they're at a comfort level with either JJ
or Drake May and that leaves the Giants. And that's
(38:14):
why I think the Giants are sort of the pivot
point here. Yeah, talk to teams about moving up. They've
done everything that you would do, Colin, if you were
taking a quarterback high in the first round.
Speaker 6 (38:23):
Right.
Speaker 8 (38:23):
They had JJ and Drake in in early March for
thirty visits. That's incredibly early. Usually thirty visits are happening
this time of year. So a month earlier they had
those guys. They've been on campus, they met with met
with Michael Pennox in Seattle. Eight of them were there
for that. They've worked some of these guys out privately.
They worked out JJ McCarthy on Easter Sunday. So they've
(38:46):
done everything that you would do if you were taking
a quarterback high in the draft. Now, are they doing
that because they're genuinely interested in moving up for one
of them or taking one of them at six? Or
is this a shell game trying to get somebody else
to jump over them. So, either Malik Neighbors or Marvin Harrison,
I'll fall to them. I think that's why the Giants
have sort of emerged as a pivot point because they
(39:06):
have investigated trading up. Whether they do it or not
is an open question.
Speaker 1 (39:11):
You know. There was they went and got Trey Lance
for a four and they have Cooper Rush yep. I
don't view either as a franchise guy, but more than
capable potentially backups. I do think if you go look
at the history the twenty fourth pick, what the Cowboys have,
there's been a lot of great players. I could see
them drafting a quarterback because I do think there's a
(39:32):
kid from Tulane and maybe the Notre damer But after
the first round or top of the second, it fins
out pretty quick at quarterback, it does Albert. Could you
see Dallas going for a Bonix Repennix at twenty four?
Speaker 8 (39:48):
Yeah, I don't think that's impossible. You know, they need
to solve their financial issue over the next couple of years,
and this is a train coming down the tracks right like, so,
you know, you hear rumblings about Ceedee Lamb maybe not
showing up for the offseason program. We'll see on Monday,
but obviously he's going into a contract year. Michael Parsons
(40:08):
isn't going into a contract year. The Cowboys, no doubt,
will pick up his fifth year option, which gives them
control through twenty twenty five. But you know, his earning
power is at an incredibly high level right now. And
Nick Posa just got thirty four million, So is he
gonna rattle cages about getting a new contract for himself?
Speaker 6 (40:27):
You know?
Speaker 8 (40:27):
And then you have Dak? So like, these three players
could wind up costing you what one hundred and twenty
million dollars per year between the three of them? Yeah,
can you keep all three? Or do you want to
create escape patches for yourself? You know?
Speaker 6 (40:40):
I think you know.
Speaker 8 (40:41):
The one thing that you and I have talked about
a couple times over the last few weeks has been,
you know, like where the quarterback market is relative to
some of the guys who are coming up. Joe Burrows
making fifty five million dollars a year? Do you give
Dak Prescott fifty six million dollars a year? If you
are Dallas, do you do that for a tug of
(41:02):
a low? If you're Miami, do you do it for
brock Perty if you're San Francisco, do you do it
for Jordan Love if you're Green Bay, or do you
have to get creative and get the guy to take less?
And will he take last? These are all open questions
the Cowboys are having to answer now at the backdrop
of having two other players at premium positions with big
tickets that you're going to have to take care of
(41:23):
over the next year or two. The one way to
solve that would be to create a next to the
strategy from one of the players. And one way to
do that would be drafting a quarterback late in the
first round there if you really like them, Michael Pennox
or about next and you think that they're going to
grow into quarterbacks that can approximate the production of Prescott
good stuff.
Speaker 1 (41:39):
Albert Brewery's always good. He's good again. Good scene you
Monday morning quarterback. Thanks Albert?
Speaker 6 (41:44):
All right, thanks Gong you bet.
Speaker 1 (41:46):
Sean Payton piece is interesting in Denver. You're staring at
Harbaugh and Herbert Read and Mahomes's that's how you get
just to the playoffs. Not doing it with Jared Stead
right like the Denver's really interesting. They need players and
a quarterback.
Speaker 3 (42:07):
You stick with your bow Nicks prediction.
Speaker 1 (42:10):
I don't know what I'm sticking with. I still can't
get off that my kids watch me play Craps debate
forty five minutes ago. I got to consider that hour
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I'm not going to get into that? Very nice?
Speaker 3 (00:56):
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Speaker 1 (00:57):
I'm not going to be at the pool.
Speaker 3 (01:00):
Get a command of Vegas now.
Speaker 1 (01:01):
Is a is a food and event town. It's not
a food a well, it's always been viewed as a
gambling town, but you can gamble all over the country.
Now it is a great food town and a great
event town.
Speaker 4 (01:11):
And that's why I think I would call Vegas more
of a party town than an event town.
Speaker 1 (01:16):
Come on, I mean, you got you're gonna have Super
Bowls and UFC three hundred. Vegas does big events, big,
big events. It used to be, you know, the money
was in certain things. It's it's when I when I
watch a lot of that, you walk through a slot
machine crowd. It's not a dynamic demographic.
Speaker 3 (01:34):
What's the gambling budget this weekend?
Speaker 1 (01:36):
Have you heard? I don't gamble? Want to go to Vegas?
I eat well and go to events. I don't gamble interesting,
no table games at all, none, zero crap. I won't gamble.
Speaker 3 (01:46):
Is a suckers game, but man, it can be fun gambling.
Speaker 1 (01:49):
Yeah, I'm not anti gambling. Did I tell you I
may gamble? I may sports book gamble, do a future
on USC being natty?
Speaker 3 (01:56):
Oh stop it?
Speaker 1 (01:57):
You seen their schedule?
Speaker 3 (01:58):
Ohio State is the Netty?
Speaker 1 (01:59):
Well? Yeah, problem real quick though.
Speaker 3 (02:01):
I was in the Bahamas.
Speaker 4 (02:02):
You could gamble there, and I wanted my kids to
watch me gamble at the table, and of course the
pit bosses are like, they have to be far away.
I was like, why, what's the who cares they can't
watch their dad gamble?
Speaker 3 (02:14):
And so I was like, I'm not giving you my money.
Speaker 1 (02:15):
I actually think that My wife always says this about parenting.
Be a great example or a horrible warning. Kids learn
from both. So I love telling my kids Dad gambles
a lot. Let them watch me see how it lands.
Life's an adventure. Let's see how it lands for the kids.
Speaker 4 (02:32):
Listen, some of these card games are straight up math games.
I want my kids thinking math when they're at the
gambling tables. I don't know why you're laughing. It's real time.
Speaker 1 (02:40):
I mean, if you're asking a kid, what would you
rather do? Craps or math? I think the answer is obvious.
Speaker 3 (02:47):
I mean, have you seen the movie twenty one The
Counting Cards in Vegas? Awesome movie, great movie.
Speaker 4 (02:51):
Yeah, I'm trying to teach my kids. Hey, listen, you
gotta be able to count some cards.
Speaker 1 (02:57):
I don't have a problem with any of this. Excellent parenting,
and I hope people out there can understand the value
of a good card game for children.
Speaker 3 (03:06):
Should we start turning the power hour into the parenting hour.
Speaker 1 (03:10):
That's a great idea, by the way. So I want
to I want to show you something. So Yannis is
out until the playoffs. He's out, you know, regular season
wraps up Sunday. He should be. It's got a little tweak.
So the Bucks this season kind of fascinating. The Bucks
this season without Yannis have a higher offensive rating in
games without him, make more threes and have a higher
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three point percentage in games without him, and they shoot
forty one and a half percent from three in games
without him, number one in the league when he's not
on the floor. Now, I'm not trying to argue long
term the Bucks are better without Yannis, but I will
argue the Dame Yanis thing's not working. It was a
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hail Mary. If I say hail Mary in the NFL,
what do you think, low percentage desperation. The Dame thing
was much lower percentage and more desperate than anybody wants
to acknowledge. They've had all season to figure it out
and they can't. It was a hail Mary, which we've
said multiple times. So, and they don't have any first
round picks right all the pick swaps they gave it
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away to get Dame and Drew Holliday. They have a
very very old roster, and I think Bobby Portis is
the kid at twenty nine, I think a lot. I
think Giannis knows all of this stuff. So the other thing,
the NBA draft is not the NFL draft. I mean,
Houston can be awful. They hit in a quarterback and
a couple of receivers in the coach, they win the
division the next year. That's not the NBA draft. I mean,
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think how good of a coach Greg Popovich is. They're
gonna go like, you know, twenty and sixty two and
he's got Wemby because you're getting nineteen year old kids.
So in the NFL you can turn it around. Bill
Parcells went to Miami, not even as a coach, as
a personnel guy, a GM guy. I mean they went
like I mean, they went from like one win to
eleven or something like that, five to eleven or one
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to eleven. You can do that in the NFL. You
can't in the NBA. So you know, my take is
the Tea Wolves have had high draft picks forever. I
don't think they've won a playoff series in like twenty years,
twenty twenty one years. So I think Milwaukee's in a
weird space, so they need some They're an old roster.
The Dame thing's not necessarily working as you look at
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all the analytics. Could it get better next year? Certainly
some stuff doesn't gel, but it's not like they haven't
played together. So it's very fascinating. I said, I don't
know how good Milwaukee is. I think they're the most
interesting playoff team if they get matched up early with
a Boston and Philadelphia or a Cleveland get run or
a Miami and get run. I think Giannis is over
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struggling in the playoffs. I think he's over it. Danny
Green fifteen years, three NBA championships. What's interesting he got
olding with the Spurs, the Raptors in the Lakers host
to Inside the Game Room with Danny Green. Smart guy.
I always love him on the show. You know we
talked about that is that sometimes when you get a
star and you're not in a glamorous market like a Milwaukee,
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and you may win, but you're like, we got to
make this move because players won't choose us. We got
to go trade for them. And I thought that Dame
Janni's thing would be better. The analytics tell you it's
not great. Are you surprised that Damon Giannis Danny has
not been a perfect fit.
Speaker 5 (06:26):
No, I think this year, I think a lot of
people expected better. But it's just the first year. Mind you.
There's been a lot of changes. There's been a lot
of injuries, guys coming and going. During the trade deadline,
they picked up different people. I don't think that they
don't fit. I just don't think that the defensive side
is producing the way they expected. Yeah, and that's the
dude to the lack of Drew and the pieces they've
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gotten around, you know, letting Drew go change your defense,
letting certain people go change your defense. So you know,
Jay Crowd is a guy that's had injuries. They don't
have a bunch of three and D guys, and the
Malie Beasley's been shooting the hell out of the ball. Defensively,
he had to carry a load in that starting group
of guarding the perimeter because obviously they're a little bit smaller.
You know, Dame is not not the greatest, he's not terrible,
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but he's just smaller. They have a smaller you know,
front court or back court with him, and then Pat
dev he's a defender too, but he's smaller. So I
think that's where their weaknesses are. It's not the offense.
Obviously dam can score, Jannis score Brooks and shoots it well.
They have good shooters around them, But defensively is where
they lack a lot of the discipline. And then with
the coaching change, you know that that mix things a
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little bit harder. You mid season, you got it thirty
and thirteen, you have coaching change, probably change up a
whole offense trying to figure.
Speaker 6 (07:35):
Each other out. I think it just needs more time.
Speaker 5 (07:37):
So I'm not that shocked, but I also think you
have to we have to give a little bit a
great more grace period because of the things that have
happened this year with them.
Speaker 1 (07:45):
So I was saying to start the show that there
was a time my favorite first player was doctor j
and we all love Michael and it was the spectacular.
But analytics now are not about dunks and the spectacular,
about different things. The league's getting more European and two
and by the way, when you play below the rim,
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you age more gracefully. You start high flying, you crash
to the floor. John Wall, Dwight, Howard Blake, Griffin, Russell Westbrook,
Steph's thirty six looks like he could play forever. Luca
and Jokic, to me, those guys look like they could
shoot those jumpers until they were forty four years old.
So I look at Luca, and I look at the
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European players, and I look at Jokic, and it's not
as aesthetically pleasing. It's not the NBA I grew up with.
I love it, but I look at those teams. Do
you see what's happening to the league where these guys
that kind of play more deliberately below the rim, analytic superstars,
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not that optically they're not jumping, high flying guys. Do
you see the change the NBA is moving to more
European and that Luca and Jokic maybe are Magic and
Bird the next ten years.
Speaker 5 (09:02):
Yeah, I see it, But I also think it's never
gonna go like completely away from the American type of
basketball style of play. I guess you would say, quote
unquote of the athleticism. You know, you still have guys
like Anthony Edwards, You still have guys like John Morant.
Those guys are still they just maybe if they can
adapt an adjust, But some of them, said their careers
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may not last as long like a Dirk because they
shoot the one legged fade, which you don't have to
be athletic to do. But they're great players, and I
see them adapting Tojustin. But yes, I have seen that
the league has changed some and going in that direction.
Speaker 6 (09:35):
Those guys are crafty.
Speaker 5 (09:36):
They're pros at fifteen sixteen years old, so they have
really good fundamentals. They have really good touch, they have
high IQ. There's some smart smarter, probably smarter than some
of the American players for sure because they've been doing
it so long and they have to be smarter, crafty
because they're not as athletic. But I still see a
lot of that American style play happening because we have
so many dynamic superstars, so many guys that can do
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not only be athletic, but can score it too. Under
the rim and do this, said Anthony Edwards and John Morant.
Those guys I could still see them shake SGA. I
see those guys still be able to score and adapted
adjust when their athleticism isn't as high as it was
when they're younger. Blake people say Blaker, but he developed
the jumper of mid range. He shot some threes and
in Detroit and you play a different style of game.
(10:19):
So I can see guys adapt and adjusted as they
get older. But you know, people love That's the reason
why they sell out of tickets. People love to watch
those type of things. People want to see those type
of things. They want to see the athleticism, they want
to see the dunks, they want to see the fast breaks.
Why they change, you know, the the take foul rule,
the you know, stopping the break for rule, because they
want to see more fast breaks and more points and
more threes. So yeah, I can't see as completely getting
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away from it.
Speaker 1 (10:43):
Yeah, I've said I don't think the Lakers could beat Denver,
but I could argue they may match up better with
them than anybody, not name the Celtics. They're long, uh
le A d at least makes yo Kiitch work. He's
such a dominating defensive player, and he's been healthy now
for a year and a half. Lebron in any big
series can take over a game and create shots, and
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then they have enough guys. Austin Reeves d Lo can
hit a jumper. I don't know if they can beat Denver.
I look at Denver and they don't have much of
a bench. Most good teams in this league don't they
pay their big guys up front?
Speaker 6 (11:18):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (11:19):
Do you think anybody in the West like I think?
I think Okac is just too young. I watched Minnesota
last night, and I'm like, they kind of match up
with him. Is there a team that you think forces
Denver six or seven games or potentially could beat him?
Speaker 6 (11:35):
I said, one on one, I agree with you.
Speaker 5 (11:37):
I think Anthony Davis is the best one on one
matchup for Jokic, And even then, Jokic kind of yeah,
plays pretty well against the Lakers. There's no one on
one match up for him in the league that you
can you know that that's gonna stop him. I think
the best matchup you said Minnesota last night, but they
still a missing.
Speaker 6 (11:52):
Call Anthony Towns. Yeah.
Speaker 5 (11:53):
I think with those two bigs, it gives Jokic the
best look, and I think they're the only team in
the West that gives them the best matchup.
Speaker 2 (11:59):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (11:59):
Now, Lakers, they have good pieces.
Speaker 5 (12:01):
I don't think they have that second big that they
need to because Ad is better playing away from the ball,
off the ball weak side having to guard Yokic and
the gardener. Aaron Gordon a cutter a lot, but block
shots on the week's side. But he doesn't have that.
Speaker 6 (12:13):
They have Jackson Hayes, but I don't know if that's enough.
Speaker 5 (12:15):
Yeah, you know, the best times when we were able
to face them or play them on with the Lakers,
when we had Jabelle McGee, Dwight Howard. We had multiple
bigs that we could throw at him and you know,
play the two big game to where two defensive bigs
can make it hard for him. The only team that
I see that that kind of emulates that is the
Minnesota Timberwolves.
Speaker 6 (12:32):
When they have Carlthon Town's healthy.
Speaker 5 (12:33):
They didn't need to get him back sooner than later
if they want to make a good run in the playoffs.
Speaker 1 (12:38):
I think if Jannis gets bounced early in the playoffs,
he'll grumble. I think Jalen Brunson's better than I ever
thought he would be. I think Golden State would make
a run and move off all their young bigs. They
give up draft picks, Kaminga, they give up anything. They're
gonna keep, probably Draymond Staff and Pods if they can.
But they'll move off a lot. If let's say you
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were Yannis and here come the Knicks, here come the Warriors.
Would just stay in the East, which is weaker because
I do think if Milwaukee gets bounced, I mean, Jannie
is moving through some coaches here. They don't have a
lot of draft picks. Boston looks like they're much better
equipped for the future. So is okay seeing Denver? If
you were a Yiannis and you were unhappy, is there
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a place? Because Brunson's better than I thought he would
ever be, I'm not so sure. I think New York
and Yannis makes sense. No, I think it.
Speaker 6 (13:32):
Makes more sense than Golden State.
Speaker 5 (13:34):
They're a little bit younger that have said it's in
the East as more as wide open.
Speaker 6 (13:38):
The West is tough.
Speaker 7 (13:39):
Man.
Speaker 5 (13:39):
If I'm one of those guys, I would not try
to say.
Speaker 6 (13:42):
I mean, some guys love the challenge. I mean, honest,
is not getting younger.
Speaker 5 (13:45):
He has the issues with the calf, the knee, and
his ailments are coming along.
Speaker 6 (13:49):
So when he's younger, it maybe different. Like I want
all the smoke.
Speaker 5 (13:52):
I want to get to the West and play in
the West Coast teams and try to beat those guys.
But he's already won with Milwaukee he's proven that he's
a champion and done it with his group in his cities.
So he's done what he's supposed to do when he
was in the city Milwaukee. He's able to do that now,
figure out what he wants to do and what's best
for him without the city holding it against him. And
I do think the best place for him in the
East would probably be in the New York Knicks, honestly,
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but then you'd have to let go of some guys.
They can keep jalen Og and him, you have to
get rid of the Julius Randall, Mitch Robinson, Hartstein like,
there's a lot of pieces that you have to probably
move in that deal that you don't want to get
rid of because they have a lot of great pieces
there in New York. But yeah, that would probably be
the best fit for him in the East.
Speaker 1 (14:30):
Finally, Wemby again better than I thought. Another European played
against older players, so he walks into this league gets
really good, like Luca and Yokich. You know, Luca was
by his twentieth game in this league, You're like, oh,
we got an elite scorer. Is Wemby better than you
thought he would be? At this age, and at this time, I.
Speaker 5 (14:53):
Think, yes, all the people you just mentioned are a
lot better. I thought I knew Jaylen Brunson was good.
I didn't think he'd be great, and I thought, you know,
you know, the new bright lights would make it different.
But Wemby, I think he has proven a lot of
people wrong because nobody expected this. A lot of people
thought Bobo. A lot of people thought he was too
tall and not agile enough to guard the pick and roll.
Speaker 6 (15:11):
But he's able to do it all.
Speaker 5 (15:12):
He's able to guard, he's able to protect the rim,
he's able to shoot threes, play from the high post,
and to do it in such a short stint man
is impressive. So is his rookie year. Still and the
best is yet to come. So yeah, he's exceeded my expectation.
He's way better than I expected him to be. And
I can't wait to see, you know, what his ceiling
is or what he gets to in the next couple
of years. He's probably gonna be the face of the league. Yeah,
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the next three years.
Speaker 1 (15:35):
Or so inside the green room with Danny Green, three rings,
three different teams, fifteen years in the league. Good luck
to you, Congrats in your success with your pod man.
Speaker 6 (15:45):
Thank you many, catch me inside the green room. I
appreciate you guys.
Speaker 1 (15:48):
All right, Danny Green, Yeah, I think is Wemby is.
But the thing is the European guys get good really
fast because they play against older players in the academy
and our guys, you know, it's like, you know, the
they basically they're one and done or they go G league.
So it just their ceilings are high. But it takes
a while. Like Jalen Green finally, now finally is like
playing defense, can hit a three, and now he's just
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not run around guy. It's like Jalen Green is athletic,
but it's like, okay, now finally he gets the coaching.
Jalen Green now is playing like a winning basketball style.
Speaker 3 (16:21):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (16:21):
The one Bin Yama situation is interesting. Could you be
the defensive player of the year if you're on one
of the three worst teams in the league because.
Speaker 2 (16:28):
He's been unbelievable?
Speaker 1 (16:30):
What are the analytics? I don't have a problem a lot.
We're not we're not saying MVP.
Speaker 3 (16:33):
We're just team success.
Speaker 4 (16:35):
It's like basically comes down to Rudy Gobert or Victor
Wembin Yama. And Gobert is on like one of the
best teams in the league, a defensive juggernaut, and Spurs
can't stop anybody. But webbin Yama individually is killing everybody defensive.
Speaker 1 (16:49):
Well, if it was a draw, I'd give it to
the winning team, but if the numbers lean in a direction,
I'll choose that. I don't have to have teams. We're
not talking MVP. If you're a bad team, you're not
getting the MVP. You're not that valuable, you're not making
the playoffs. But if you're just talking about an elite
defensive player, you can win the scoring title on a
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bad team. You're not voted on by that. Why can't
you win an individual award on a bad team?
Speaker 3 (17:15):
Thank you, MVP.
Speaker 1 (17:17):
I don't need you to be the best team, but
you got to be like a high level and you
gotta be on a playoff team.
Speaker 4 (17:22):
One of us may have a futures ticket on Webbin
Yama Defensive Player of the Year. You know, I'm not
lobbying for it, but I'm just saying, like the numbers say,
Wembin Yama has been extraordinary and to hear Danny Green,
nobody thought he was going to be bull Bull, Come on,
do people really think that? Well, were there doubters on
Wembanyama look at that level?
Speaker 1 (17:40):
When I heard about Luca and I watched Luca. I
can remember watching Luca on on YouTube. I'm like, he's
kind of plotting. I mean, he'll score in this league.
But I'm like, that guy's gonna take over. Everybody was saying, Luca,
you know, oh my god, you're gonna take over the league.
And I'm like, he plays in slow motion, like he'll
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score a lot of guys I've grown up with scores
my whole life. And then Luca gets here and you're like,
oh god, Like I mean, I can remember his rookie year.
He's twenty games in and Lebron was asked about Luca.
He's like, yeah, you can't stop that guy. He was nineteen.
Speaker 4 (18:16):
I mean, you can't stop wembin Yama. Now he has
no teammates. Put the Spurs near the top of the
list of interesting offseason teams.
Speaker 3 (18:23):
They should be in the mix for this. Trey Young
talk that the Lakers could get Trey Young.
Speaker 1 (18:27):
If Popovich would like Trey Young, I don't think he will.
Speaker 3 (18:30):
I'll tell you what wee.
Speaker 4 (18:31):
Ben Yama is not going to sit around and be
like a nineteen win team for another couple of years.
Speaker 3 (18:34):
That I don't think that's on.
Speaker 1 (18:36):
That's you know, Povitch runs that he doesn't have any time.
Speaker 3 (18:39):
Wem Biyama's made some veiled comments at the All Star
break like.
Speaker 4 (18:42):
He's putting it out there that this is not fun
and I want to win.
Speaker 2 (18:45):
Yeah, losing sixty games, Yeah.
Speaker 3 (18:47):
Go get me some guys.
Speaker 1 (18:49):
But I'm the franchise I can argue Popovich. His theory
is you can't win with a player. This is a
two to three year process. We're going to be back
in the lottery and get another great player. Then then
you go get your ancillary players. The Popovitch new they
weren't gonna be a great team, they put them on
a minute's restriction, a game restriction, which, by the way,
was the right thing to do with that body type.
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This is not an overnight The NBA draft is not
the NFL draft.
Speaker 4 (19:14):
Papavich is like seventy three years old or whatever he
is whatever. A couple of year progress report and then
we'll come back and.
Speaker 1 (19:21):
I think I think the Spurs are doing it the
right way now. In three years, if there's a thirty
eight win team. They're not, that's too late.
Speaker 4 (19:28):
Fix it now, Well, come mix it now, you're one
drop the hammer.
Speaker 1 (19:34):
Come on, I'm not kidding you gotta let stuff bake.
Speaker 4 (19:38):
Unicorn player, once in a generation talent and you're gonna
be like, let's take our time.
Speaker 1 (19:43):
Well, it's different like when a Ewing arrived, he had
three or four years of college. It was different then.
The NBA now is it's just nineteen year old kids.
You're not gonna win with them. I mean, it's just now.
I mean just it's just now that Ann Edwards is like,
oh this is it's a veteran NBA. He can defend
and he was great.
Speaker 3 (20:03):
Well he was in the playoffs last year.
Speaker 1 (20:05):
I mean, but he was a build around guy for
All Star break first year. You're like, whoa took him
two and three years to become like a winning playoff
level player. NFL guy CJ. Stroudwalks in, you're like, top
ten quarterback, fourth round, fifth round, you can get Pooka Nakoupi.
You're like, oh, yeah, that's a Pro Bowl receiver. Because
they've been in college football for four years. They're grown ups.
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They've been in weight rooms for three, four or five years.
Wehmby he needs more time in a weight room. All
these guys around him are kids.
Speaker 3 (20:34):
For two people who are not good with being patient.
You and I right, we agree.
Speaker 1 (20:39):
I'm not.
Speaker 3 (20:39):
That's one of my weaknesses. I'm not patient.
Speaker 1 (20:42):
You're not either, I'm not. I mean, I think certain
times you have to be. When you're a parent and
your kids aren't at the crap table, you need to
be patient.
Speaker 2 (20:51):
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Speaker 1 (21:01):
We are just We're just doing things the right way
on this show. That's all I'm gonna say with that.
Speaker 3 (21:05):
Oh wait, is that a veiled comment about another show?
Speaker 8 (21:08):
I know.
Speaker 1 (21:08):
I gotta tell you you talk more hockey. I love
I love your insistence that children need to see dad gamble. Ryan,
Are you in on that parenting one on one? He
know he doesn't have kids, Well, it doesn't mean he
doesn't read books on kids.
Speaker 3 (21:23):
He definitely does not read books on kids.
Speaker 1 (21:27):
Jmack with the News, No, No, this is the Herd
Line News.
Speaker 3 (21:33):
I can't believe you never played the card game.
Speaker 4 (21:36):
Twenty one with your kids like it was like you know,
in Vegas casino, but in your house with like pennies,
you don't do that.
Speaker 1 (21:43):
But I'm not against it.
Speaker 2 (21:45):
It's good for quick math, recall.
Speaker 1 (21:47):
I think that's actually really clever and smart.
Speaker 3 (21:51):
That's why I'm here.
Speaker 1 (21:52):
It's a gateway game, though, a little bit of a
gateway game.
Speaker 3 (21:56):
Gateway game, all right.
Speaker 4 (21:57):
Russell Wilson is getting a fresh start in Pittsburgh after
a pretty busty two years in Denver. He'll pair with
Mike Tomlin as they both look for their second Super Bowls.
Russ gave his new coats and praise, saying it's one
of the greatest gifts in the world to be able
to work with Mike Tomlin.
Speaker 3 (22:14):
M Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 1 (22:17):
Greatest gifts in the world. That's a desk, A big
handful there isn't it a little bit much?
Speaker 3 (22:23):
But this is Russ's brand. He's always over the top.
Speaker 1 (22:25):
Well, he's very optimistic. That's not a bad quality to have.
Very optimistic. It's a little it's a little much for some,
a little cringey for some, But optimism is that a
bad thing?
Speaker 3 (22:35):
You'd be an optimist I'll be a realist. Okay, okay,
the realist.
Speaker 4 (22:39):
Hey, Mike might be done after this year, and I'm
on my last hurrah, I'm on my third coach in
four years.
Speaker 2 (22:46):
Yeah, not great.
Speaker 1 (22:49):
No, I think I veered toward you know, when people
say you want the good news or the bad news,
Give me the bad news. Yeah, yeah, I'm not looking
for fluffing rainbow. Yeah, Cotton Candy, give me the bad
news he got. I don't think Pittsburgh, I don't know exactly.
All follow Vegas and DraftKings on the steels. I don't
know what to.
Speaker 6 (23:06):
Make of them.
Speaker 3 (23:06):
Okay, let me ask who's the worst team in that division?
Speaker 1 (23:13):
Raiders this morning? In that Oh, I'm sorry, Brown's Bengals,
And I would say, what Pittsburgh.
Speaker 4 (23:22):
Yeah, by the way, Nick Chubb, going back to the
Browns coming off that gruesome interest, I would rounds it
gonna better, Pittsburgh probably gonna win seven, eight games?
Speaker 1 (23:30):
What's the over? What's there over under? What's the future?
Speaker 4 (23:33):
Better?
Speaker 1 (23:34):
I think they're about an eight win team?
Speaker 2 (23:36):
Yeah, eight n half?
Speaker 1 (23:37):
Yeah, i'd probably I'd probably take the under.
Speaker 3 (23:41):
You don't have to bet all the total.
Speaker 1 (23:43):
I don't think I would bet that I don't feel
strongly about that. I think they're an eight to nine
win team. So Vegas is right on that number. I
feel very strongly that the Vikings are over six and
a half for the record. What what did I feel
most strongly about last year at this time? What team
was underappreciated? The Rams? And I said over six and
(24:05):
a half. I said that in Stafford Donald, Cooper, cup
and mcmick.
Speaker 3 (24:09):
They were old and they you know, they had a
quarterback Sath.
Speaker 1 (24:12):
They have a great quarterback Minnesota there. I know Sam
personnel is all the offensive guys Shanahan. You don't know that,
Kevin O'Connell. They all like Sam Donald.
Speaker 3 (24:26):
I know, I like Sam Donald. He's a nice guy.
What happened to him in Carolina? Had that had that
work out?
Speaker 1 (24:33):
Let me ask you this. Let me ask you this.
What works in Carolina? NBA and NFL?
Speaker 3 (24:37):
What evidence do we have that he doesn't work? I mean,
he didn't play, and we don't.
Speaker 1 (24:41):
We don't have evidence that he's a franchise guy. We
have evidence though Baker Mayfield could could get you to
a playoff. We have evidence that Sam's really talented, but
we don't have evidence that he consistently wins. I think, well,
Vegas is telling you he doesn't. Vegas doesn't buy Sam
Donald NFL offensive coach, but the draft Kings just saying
(25:01):
we don't trust him now. But I but I do
think the one I tend to bet unders, the one
over bet to me was the Rams last year and
the Vikings. The Vikings are not going to be a
lousy football So.
Speaker 3 (25:15):
This just hit me.
Speaker 4 (25:16):
So last year at this time, Baker Mayfield goes to
Tampa and everybody's like, oh, they're going to be sellers
at the deadline. You get a quarterback on his second, third,
fourth chance. You've got some skill position guys that Tampa had,
Evans and Godwin. You got a pretty good offensive minded
guy in Canalis calling place I could maybe you're right
on Minnesota and I'm missing something.
Speaker 3 (25:36):
Maybe they're the Tampa of last year.
Speaker 1 (25:40):
The difference is the NFC North is really good. Chicago
is going to be noticeably better Detroit and Green Bay.
I would argue, you love Detroit and Green Bay.
Speaker 3 (25:49):
Are you sure you want to move to Chicago or
is it not Detroit or Green Bay?
Speaker 1 (25:52):
Let me tell you something. Go walk here, go to
the Milwaukee Dells, the Wisconsin Dells every weekend. Yeah, living
I heard a sixers real cheap at the Dells, like
a very cheap. Next story is the Arizona Cardinals.
Speaker 3 (26:04):
They're open to trading the.
Speaker 4 (26:05):
Fourth pick in the draft, but they reportedly won a
huge haul Ford I tease this earlier.
Speaker 3 (26:09):
So Arizona is said.
Speaker 4 (26:11):
To want to deal similar to what the Niners did
in twenty twenty one to draft when they got Trey Lance.
In that deal, San Francisco said three firsts and a
third to grab Trey Lance. That's what Arizona wants for
the fourth pick. I think that's insanity, and I think
they end up probably just taking Marvin here. Nobody's giving
up three ones for the fourth best quarterback in the draft.
Speaker 3 (26:33):
That's not happening.
Speaker 8 (26:33):
That's not happening.
Speaker 4 (26:35):
So now you end up with Marvin Harrison at four,
and I do think you're probably right.
Speaker 3 (26:39):
Then Chargers go offensive line.
Speaker 1 (26:41):
I was thinking about this. Here's the only two teams
I am sure will not trade down, Bears, Commanders. That's it.
Three through sixteen could all trade down. I do think
Minnesota and Seattle will trade up raiders as well, potentially,
(27:05):
but the only two teams that are not and should
not trade down in my opinion, Bears commanders everybody else.
There's an argument get out of there and go back.
Speaker 4 (27:14):
Okay, so if Minnesota is really moving up, whatever where
are they going?
Speaker 5 (27:20):
Like?
Speaker 3 (27:21):
Are they going six?
Speaker 1 (27:22):
Minnesota could stay put if like again, let's just say this,
the Patriots opt not to get a quarterback because they
like Caleb and Jayden Daniels and New England doesn't like
any of the other quarterba they don't like, so they
just say. Patriots say, we'll take Marvin Harris. No way,
they don't have a receiving corps. And if the Cardinals say,
(27:43):
I mean again, there's a world in which the Vikings
don't have to move up much. So let's say the
Patriots take a non quarterback, Cardinals taken on quarterback, the
Chargers can't find a buyer, they take a non quarterback.
The Giants don't like the available quarterbacks. I mean, start
looking at that. I don't think the Tights john drafting.
Speaker 3 (28:03):
A quarterback right. Titans are not.
Speaker 4 (28:04):
They're gonna rock with Will Levis, see what he's got.
The Falcons are not taking a quarterback. The Bears at
nine or not.
Speaker 1 (28:09):
If the New England Patriots and the Chargers cannot find
a trade partner. They can't find one, and the Chargers
and the Patriots stay put and draft a receiver, which
they both need. Then Minnesota starts thinking, what are we
doing here? We don't have to move now.
Speaker 3 (28:26):
I don't think they will. I think they can get
McCarthy at eleven.
Speaker 4 (28:29):
I think all this JJ McCarthy top six is fueled
by teams in the top eight trying to get them
to trade up for McCarthy. I don't think McCarthy goes
top eight. Final story is, oh, this is fun. Caitlin
Clark said goodbye to Iowa basketball Wednesday as the team
was honored for their runner up finish.
Speaker 3 (28:47):
She thanked everyone, and Iowa announced Caitlin.
Speaker 4 (28:49):
Clark's number twenty two jersey will be retired. Kind of cool,
we know how impactful she was. A lot of people
are debating, oh, women's college hoops will go back to
what it was before Caitlin Clark next year.
Speaker 1 (29:03):
Well, well, by the way, it's possible. It was a
growing sport regardless, so it's not going to go back
to nineteen eighty five levels. It will be vibrant, and
I do think Juju Watkins. There's returning really good players.
Speaker 3 (29:15):
Yukon's good, South Carolina's good.
Speaker 4 (29:17):
But also Kaitlyn Clark going WNBA. So you know, my
daughter plays Hoops I Coaster, We're awesome. We're already looking
at Caitlin Clark tickets for when she comes to LA, right,
and if you look at the WNBA tickets for the
LA sparks, it's like you can get in for twenty bucks.
Speaker 3 (29:35):
Twenty bucks the Kaitlin Clark games like one hundred.
Speaker 1 (29:37):
And fifty dollars. That's what jacked up prices.
Speaker 4 (29:40):
And then you see reports like almost all of her
games the prices are swollen massively.
Speaker 1 (29:45):
No, you think Connor McGregor fights are a little more expensive.
This is what stars. She's a star and.
Speaker 3 (29:49):
Amar legitimate start question. My daughter's like, will she be
a starter in the WNBA. I was like, probably, yeah.
Speaker 1 (29:56):
H I don't know if she'll be an All star,
but she'll. In the history of basketball, if somebody is
appropriately sized, you know, high school to college, college to
pro and they're great scorers, they usually score. Doesn't mean
they'll be a great player, but she'll be a score
in the E.
Speaker 4 (30:10):
At the level where like if you're at a bar
and you're hanging out with buddies and you look at
the screen and Caitlin Clark's in a WNBA game, You're
probably gonna have one eye on the game, even if
you're not a women's college tab Absolutely, because of the
Caitlin Clark factor. There's like, that's just the reality she
is going to draw my attention. I couldn't tell you
who the number one pick was last year. I have
no clue or the year before that, but I know
(30:30):
she's out of interest to.
Speaker 1 (30:31):
A lot in my lifetime. Cheryl Miller and Caitlyn Clark
are the two biggest stars in women's college basketball. Don't
mean they're the best players, but to me, there was
a lot of Nancy Lieberman was a great player. I mean,
there's been a lot of great Deanna Tarossi super, There's
been a lot of great players by a more, but
the two iconic stars. Remember, it's like the NBA has
had a lot of great players, MJ. Shack, Magic, you know,
(30:57):
Lebron Steph. Not many become icons. You know, all the
great NBA players, about seven of them that have become like,
you know, Karl Malone was great, a team was great.
A lot of great players have been about six icons.
Speaker 3 (31:10):
Steph is in the icon status.
Speaker 1 (31:11):
Stepf's in the icon status, Lebron's in the icon status, Kobe, Shack, Magic, MJ.
Not many.
Speaker 4 (31:17):
Okay, let me ask you next dinnery Heyd's great, he's
not in the icons. Okay, it'd just take your time
on this thing. Is Ja Morant in the icon status
or is he approaching it?
Speaker 1 (31:26):
No? God no.
Speaker 3 (31:27):
So here's the weird thing. I know.
Speaker 4 (31:30):
You know, I got a lot of dads and their
kids are like my kid's age ten, eleven, twelve, thirty forty.
Speaker 3 (31:34):
Jamarant is like a superhero to these young.
Speaker 1 (31:37):
Kids, but you know who he's not to those of
us that.
Speaker 3 (31:40):
I get it.
Speaker 4 (31:40):
But I'm talking like in a few years, all these
young kids will be of buying power.
Speaker 3 (31:45):
They want his sneaker, they've got jamran.
Speaker 1 (31:46):
Us, and they'll be out in the first round of
the playoffs.
Speaker 4 (31:49):
I'm with you, man, I'm just like Jamaran is more
beloved than Zion is right now among young and.
Speaker 1 (31:54):
He is not an icon either. Is he more beloved
than Steph?
Speaker 3 (31:58):
Steph has been in the league for fifteen years. Don't
do that to me.
Speaker 1 (32:01):
Come on.
Speaker 4 (32:02):
I'm trying to have a reasonable discussion. There's something about
Ja Morant that everybody loves. I don't love him, but.
Speaker 1 (32:08):
I don't dislike him. But he's not going to be
an icon. First of all, high flying guy that doesn't
shoot well, ends up getting hurt, ends up not really
winning in the playoffs. At some point, there's a ceiling
to that beyond Hey he's flashy. That's fun too, but
you know who's going to advance in the playoffs. Yokich,
I'm boring old Jason Tatum.
Speaker 3 (32:28):
I get.
Speaker 4 (32:30):
Well, I mean, just a little diss he loves I
can't wait for the playoffs to start. Celtics are going
to dominate so much about another forty piece.
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Speaker 1 (34:08):
All right, we got some NFL stuff percolating. Albert Breer
is now going to join us live. Albert's always got
the very late of stuff Monday Morning Quarterback. So I
was interesting. I like Greg McElroy, but I kind of
rolled my eyes at the Caleb Williams hasn't faced in
the adversity and I'm like, have you watched USC's offensive
line for two years? It's nickname was adversity. It's just bad.
(34:29):
So I and I think the Pac twelve was actually
good last year and there was only one way to
win there, and it was by shootout. He didn't have
very many bad halfs. Your take on as we get
closer to the draft, the nitpicking on Caleb is any
of it do you hear around the leak? Is there
any of it that you think, Oh, I kind of
buy that.
Speaker 8 (34:51):
No, I mean, I think he's a pretty clean prospect overall.
You know, like some of this stuff. It's interesting because
you know, you see people putting clips out of Caleb
scrambling around right like when there might be open receivers,
and so this is a good example of why you
need to talk to the teams and not just look
at the tape, right, Like, yeah, I had one team
tell me and this was last week, maybe the week
(35:12):
before that, when they had Caleb in a meeting. They
asked him about one of these plays, and he had
Brendan Rice open over the middle at about five yards,
and he passed that up broken tain rate to the
right side, winds up scrambling for twenty five yards. And
Caleb's explanation was, well, you know, I saw Brendon and
Rice open at five, but it looked like he was
(35:33):
going to be taken down at seven yards and it
was third nine, and so I figured we weren't going
to pick it up that way, so I could pick
up the nine yards on my own with my legs,
which instead of just not seeing something, would show you
that he's got pretty good processing speed, right, So you know,
I mean, we've just this guy's It's another example of
this guy just having been on a pedestal for so long,
(35:54):
and you build him up for so long, that's all
it's left to do is tear him down. The question
with his dad was a real one. And that came up,
you know, but I you know, I know what Cliff
Kingsbury told the Bears was that Caleb's dad was in
the practice facility just once last year. It's just one time,
and that Caleb's dad's involved in the business side, but
not really the football side. So you know, I'm not
(36:16):
saying that there's no questions with him as a prospect.
Obviously there are. But you know, I think as far
as the onfield stuff goes, there's a lot of disagreement
on Drake May within the league. There's a lot of
disagreement within on JJ McCarthy. There's even disagreement on Jaden Daniels.
There's much less disagreement on Caleb Williams, much more unanimous
of an opinion that he belongs at the very top
(36:37):
of this.
Speaker 1 (36:37):
So I said, Albert, I'm gonna put up our draft
board here. I said, outside of Chicago, they're taking Caleb
and Washington. I'm told strong lead to Jade and Daniels.
Cliff Kingsbury likes his style. They don't have a run
gamer an, no line. They think he fits and makes
them more dynamic. Immediately. Outside of those two picks, I
(36:59):
could are you everybody else outside of maybe the Vikings
would couldn't move down. Is there anybody else besides the
Vikings that you see as a move up team.
Speaker 8 (37:13):
Yeah, there are three teams that have investigated moving up,
the Giants, the Broncos, and the Raiders. And so you
have the Vikings at eleven, they've obviously investigated it. You
have the Giants at six, You have the Broncos at twelve,
and the Raiders at thirteen. And I think part of
that would sort of depend on what quarterbacks are available.
(37:33):
Like you hear the Raiders connected to Jade and Daniels
quite a bit because Jaden Daniels was coached by Antonio
Pierce for three years in Arizona State. But if Jaden
goes two to Washington, maybe that idea of trading up
is dead. The Broncos, I think it's dependent on Sean
Payton's whether or not he sees one of these quarterbacks
that way. And if he does, like I don't, I
(37:54):
wouldn't doubt that he'd be aggressive, given that he really
liked Patrick Mahomes seven years ago and missed out on
them by one pick. And we're all sort of prisoners
to our own history. You know, and obviously we know
the Vikings are trying to move up, and you know,
I think they're at a comfort level with either JJ
or Drake May and that leaves the Giants. And that's
(38:14):
why I think the Giants are sort of the pivot
point here. Yeah, talk to teams about moving up. They've
done everything that you would do, Colin, if you were
taking a quarterback high in the first round.
Speaker 6 (38:23):
Right.
Speaker 8 (38:23):
They had JJ and Drake in in early March for
thirty visits. That's incredibly early. Usually thirty visits are happening
this time of year. So a month earlier they had
those guys. They've been on campus, they met with met
with Michael Pennox in Seattle. Eight of them were there
for that. They've worked some of these guys out privately.
They worked out JJ McCarthy on Easter Sunday. So they've
(38:46):
done everything that you would do if you were taking
a quarterback high in the draft. Now, are they doing
that because they're genuinely interested in moving up for one
of them or taking one of them at six? Or
is this a shell game trying to get somebody else
to jump over them. So, either Malik Neighbors or Marvin Harrison,
I'll fall to them. I think that's why the Giants
have sort of emerged as a pivot point because they
(39:06):
have investigated trading up. Whether they do it or not
is an open question.
Speaker 1 (39:11):
You know. There was they went and got Trey Lance
for a four and they have Cooper Rush yep. I
don't view either as a franchise guy, but more than
capable potentially backups. I do think if you go look
at the history the twenty fourth pick, what the Cowboys have,
there's been a lot of great players. I could see
them drafting a quarterback because I do think there's a
(39:32):
kid from Tulane and maybe the Notre damer But after
the first round or top of the second, it fins
out pretty quick at quarterback, it does Albert. Could you
see Dallas going for a Bonix Repennix at twenty four?
Speaker 8 (39:48):
Yeah, I don't think that's impossible. You know, they need
to solve their financial issue over the next couple of years,
and this is a train coming down the tracks right like, so,
you know, you hear rumblings about Ceedee Lamb maybe not
showing up for the offseason program. We'll see on Monday,
but obviously he's going into a contract year. Michael Parsons
(40:08):
isn't going into a contract year. The Cowboys, no doubt,
will pick up his fifth year option, which gives them
control through twenty twenty five. But you know, his earning
power is at an incredibly high level right now. And
Nick Posa just got thirty four million, So is he
gonna rattle cages about getting a new contract for himself?
Speaker 6 (40:27):
You know?
Speaker 8 (40:27):
And then you have Dak? So like, these three players
could wind up costing you what one hundred and twenty
million dollars per year between the three of them? Yeah,
can you keep all three? Or do you want to
create escape patches for yourself? You know?
Speaker 6 (40:40):
I think you know.
Speaker 8 (40:41):
The one thing that you and I have talked about
a couple times over the last few weeks has been,
you know, like where the quarterback market is relative to
some of the guys who are coming up. Joe Burrows
making fifty five million dollars a year? Do you give
Dak Prescott fifty six million dollars a year? If you
are Dallas, do you do that for a tug of
(41:02):
a low? If you're Miami, do you do it for
brock Perty if you're San Francisco, do you do it
for Jordan Love if you're Green Bay, or do you
have to get creative and get the guy to take less?
And will he take last? These are all open questions
the Cowboys are having to answer now at the backdrop
of having two other players at premium positions with big
tickets that you're going to have to take care of
(41:23):
over the next year or two. The one way to
solve that would be to create a next to the
strategy from one of the players. And one way to
do that would be drafting a quarterback late in the
first round there if you really like them, Michael Pennox
or about next and you think that they're going to
grow into quarterbacks that can approximate the production of Prescott
good stuff.
Speaker 1 (41:39):
Albert Brewery's always good. He's good again. Good scene you
Monday morning quarterback. Thanks Albert?
Speaker 6 (41:44):
All right, thanks Gong you bet.
Speaker 1 (41:46):
Sean Payton piece is interesting in Denver. You're staring at
Harbaugh and Herbert Read and Mahomes's that's how you get
just to the playoffs. Not doing it with Jared Stead
right like the Denver's really interesting. They need players and
a quarterback.
Speaker 3 (42:07):
You stick with your bow Nicks prediction.
Speaker 1 (42:10):
I don't know what I'm sticking with. I still can't
get off that my kids watch me play Craps debate
forty five minutes ago. I got to consider that hour
and three coming up.
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