April 12, 2024 • 41 mins
Who are the top QBs in the NFL draft?
More thoughts on Tom Brady's recent comments on a possible return
Guest: Eric Mangini
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Speaker 1 (00:26):
All right, here we go, it's our two. We are
live in Los Angeles. It's The Herd. Joe Clatten next hour,
Chris Brusard coming up later, next hour. Get to Eric
Mangini in a second. Jmac going to UFC three hundred
tomorrow AND's gonna go with me the pageantry. It's gonna
be fun.
Speaker 3 (00:46):
Maybe you'll see Aaron Rodgers and Joe Rogan there.
Speaker 1 (00:48):
Joe Rogan I think the ring and now he's not announced.
Speaker 3 (00:51):
He's at all of them.
Speaker 1 (00:51):
Yeah, he knows his stuff, he knows UFC. I don't
think Aaron will be there. That's cool.
Speaker 3 (00:56):
We didn't go through anything.
Speaker 1 (00:56):
We could have a presidential candidate there, hope to avoid him.
Speaker 3 (01:00):
Joe Joe Biden's good. Isn't that past his bedtime? That's
a joke. That is that joy joke.
Speaker 1 (01:07):
I'm sorry, wasn't a bad joke, So I was. I
saw this. So college sports fans are wacko. The SEC
is like a different level of tribalism. So Kentucky's really
really mad. Their fans are mad that they hired Mark Pope,
who went to Kentucky, who went to med school at Columbia,
briefly qualified before he got a job, who won like
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twenty three games a year at BYU, and is really smart. Yeah,
I think you win twenty three games a year at BYU.
You're a pretty good basketball coach. I'd say you could
win twenty eight games at Kentucky. He's also the anti
John Cola Pari, where he likes guys that can shoot
and have skill over guys with high ceilings who's going
to develop for six months. He's got great confidence in
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his coaching. He likes guys that can shoot and high
on the skill. So not a big sales pitch guy
that he does have a personality, but you know Calipari
sales pitches. Don't worry about March. I'll make you rich.
Mark Polpe's is, hey, you'll come in, you'll play, and
we're gonna win games, and we can do well in
the tournament. Now he doesn't have a tournament win, but
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again he where's he coached? You know, give me all
the bull wins for Chip Kelly before he got the Oregon.
Talent in coaching comes from somewhere you don't get to start,
usually at Duke. So I mean I, Dan Hurley, the
problem with Kentucky is this delusion. They just got turned
down by coaches that weren't real candidates. Dan Hurley said,
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not interested, nor should he be easy a better program.
Jay Wright's like, not interested, Been there, done that. I
was at Villanova. I don't need to go to Kentucky
and Billy Donovan coaches the Chicago Bulls has a better
life than a college coach who's constantly recruiting. So those
three candidates are all probably better candidates than Mark Pope.
That doesn't guarantee they'll do better, but they weren't real candidates,
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and so Kentucky, as SEC fans are prone to do.
The wacko fans were calling the home phone numbers of
like Kentucky administrators last night. Maybe that's a reason where
it gets out people don't want the job is that
you're unrealistic. So I mean, Calipari was not a bad coach.
I think his sales pitch war finn and the culture
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changed and he wouldn't change. But Mark Pope was great
high school player, great college player, Kentucky wildcat, won at BYU,
went to a med school before he got a job.
He's a good candidate. Well, he didn't win this and
he didn't win that. I got news for you. Nick
Saban wasn't that successful at Michigan State, got fired in
the NFL. You start looking around, where do the good
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young coaches come from? They got to come from somewhere.
Here was a little snippet of Pope and his personality
at BYU. There's one secret to making shots.
Speaker 3 (03:54):
I was with Reggie Miller for two years.
Speaker 1 (03:56):
I was with Raylan for two years.
Speaker 4 (03:58):
I played for Larry Burr.
Speaker 3 (04:00):
Being with those guys, you know that there's a secret
to making shots.
Speaker 2 (04:05):
The problem is I have no idea what that secret is.
Speaker 1 (04:08):
For the record, could you have argued that the Houston
Texans should have hired Belichick based on his resume? No,
they went with a young guy, Demko Ryans, who hit
it out of the park. Where the great Where are
the next great coaches? From come from usually smaller schools,
lesser programs. You know, I covered Jay Wright when he
was assistant at UNLV and I knew he would be great.
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He just wasn't ready at the time. And then he
goes to Villanova, he starts coaching, takes him a while,
builds his program up. But Mark Pope is not a
bad candidate. How many coaches got into Columbia Med School
scaled back he played there, He was a great player.
He's winning it BYU which moved into the Big Twelve,
which is wasn't the Big Twelve last year the best
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college basketball conference. Arguably a tough place to win games
with that. Eric Mangini, Fox Sports NFL analyst Jets head coach.
By the way, before you got your head coaching job,
I remember talking about this young guy and the Jets
could have easily gone for a bigger name. Who were
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the bigger names on the market when the Jets hired you.
Speaker 5 (05:17):
Josh, that's a long time ago. Down I don't know
who the big names were. It was actually a little
bit of a movement towards younger coaches at that time.
And then you know, after I got there, in the
first year, we ended up being successful in going to
the playoffs. That movement continued, and I think Mike Tomlin
came pretty soon after me, and there's like four or
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five guys that we were all kind of in the
same same age group. And then that's how it is.
You know, in the NFL, it's so cyclical. You get
the young guys and then they move away, and then
they may move to more mature guys. But I agree
with you. You got to give young guys a chance
to prove that they can do it. And typically they're
going to come from programs that have had problems, they've
made successful and now they have an influx of huge
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talent and they're really successful.
Speaker 4 (06:02):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (06:03):
So I was saying this about Jordan Love. I remember
when he came out. There were varying opinions on Jordan
Love from my sources through the league, but I can
remember one of the people that liked him saying, Listen,
young people more than older players need support because they're
they're forming, they're refining, they're figuring out who they are.
So an assistant for a young player can be vital
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to their success. You know, a Tom Brady and Aaron Rodgers.
I mean they kind of know what they do, get
out of their way, they know what they do. They've
got their habits formed and their confidence built. And so
Drake Mays an interesting one where I talked to an
executive and they're like, go to his tape the year
before he was throwing people open. His anticipation was better.
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He goes, you just don't know. Did he lose a quarterback, coach,
a receiver, you know, a right tackle. So what was
your evaluation on a Drake May that has had better
stuff like a Jordan Love earlier? How would you fall
on that as a draft evaluatory.
Speaker 5 (07:02):
You want to look at the whole picture. And I'm
not that high on Drake May. I didn't love him
when I watched him on tape. And I think we
talked about this before. I like Jade and Daniels more
in the first half against Alabama than the three games
that I did on Drake May this year. And the
one concern I have is the sacks. I mean, the
year ago is forty sacks. This year was twenty nine sacks.
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I don't love the inner the TD to interception ratio
that he has. It's a little Sam donald esk. And
then when you look at Sam Darnold back in college.
His senior year, he had twenty nine sacks. This year,
Drake May had twenty nine sacks or not his senior year,
but his last year had twenty nine sacks, and in
very similar in terms of interceptions the touchdowns. I think
he had twenty four touchdowns and thirteen picks and what
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Drake May have like twenty two and nine or it's close,
very close numbers wise. And I get the excitement about
Drake May, and there's a lot of positive things about him,
and you see the potential he just there's also some
big inconsistencies that I struggled with as I watched them,
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And you know there is the potential component to it,
and you hope that you can get that potential out
of them.
Speaker 4 (08:18):
But I do I have.
Speaker 5 (08:19):
A little bit of the same feeling that I had
when I watched Sam Darnold in college.
Speaker 1 (08:23):
Somebody I trust told me the Giants will take a
quarterback if Jaden Daniels dropped. I don't think he will,
because I believe Caleb's won Jadeen Daniels to Washington. I've
been told as too, But if he dropped, the Giants
can do a lot of different things. They'll move down,
they'll get a receiver. I was told more than any
team in the draft, the Giants are just gonna wait
and see what happens. They prefer not. They don't have
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enough talent to give up years of draft capital, and
they don't believe Daniel Jones is the kind of guy
that can take them where they want to go privately.
So here's my thing. Let's say Drake May falls with
the Giants and you're like, well, he's think he's better
than what we have, but he has holes. What would
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you do if you ran the Giants in one of
these questions? JJ McCarthy was available, Drake May was available,
We know Pennis and bow Knicks will be so Caleb's
off the board, Jaden's off the board. Would you go
quarterback if the other guys are available?
Speaker 5 (09:24):
Unless I firmly believe that this guy's going to be
a quarterback for the next ten years and that he
can actually get us to where we need to go.
And you're not hoping, You're not trying to sit in
the room with the you know, ahead of the draft,
and the pro personnel guys and the owners and convince
yourself that he's better than Daniel Jones, because in that case,
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it's a mistake.
Speaker 4 (09:47):
You're gonna spend.
Speaker 5 (09:48):
Ninety two million dollars on Daniel Jones, and you really
lost Saquon Barkley because you made that decision with Daniel Jones.
And they've spent a lot of money this off season.
They've spent the seventh most money of any team in
the NFL, and.
Speaker 4 (10:00):
There are other holes.
Speaker 5 (10:02):
And I really believe that Brian dave Ball can get
the most out of Daniel Jones, and I think he'll
do a good job with a rookie quarterback as well.
But unless you have a firm conviction that the guy
you're taking in that spot is not only going to
be better than Daniel Jones now, but he's going to
be there for the next ten years and gives you
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a chance to win a championship, Otherwise, it's just it's
probably going to end up getting Brian fired because there's
going to be tremendous pressure to play that guy and
he's probably not going to be ready, and when he
comes in, he's probably not going to be.
Speaker 4 (10:35):
Better than Daniel Jones.
Speaker 5 (10:37):
And ownership is going to look at it and say
we spent a lot of money on this player, and
now we had to go take another guy with the
six pick in the draft.
Speaker 4 (10:45):
They start to question the decision making.
Speaker 5 (10:47):
So I would say, if anything, draft the best player
to either help Daniel Jones or push back and get
more more firepowered and improve the overall team.
Speaker 1 (10:56):
Well you know New England. Well, I've made the argument
that if you moved in the draft and just go
get skilled players in draft capital, and then if your
team is that young, if you hit on seven or
eight draft picks, then go pay for a free agent
quarterback next year. Because I don't believe even Caleb Williams
could succeed with this lack of playmakers. I think you
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have and for me, there's two quarterbacks I love, and
then everything else is really situational. And I think Jayden
Daniels is gonna work with Cliff Kingsbury. I mean, he's
had that kind of player before. I think Caleb's gonna work.
The Bears are a much better situation after that. It's
where you'll lay whoever goes to Minnesota with Kevin and
those weapons will do fine. But I look at New
England and I'm like, boy, I could really be talked
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in if I was Robert Kraft, move down, get picks,
get faster, and let's just go to the free agent
market next year. Is that crazy?
Speaker 5 (11:49):
No, I don't think it's crazy, But it's a little
bit like like they say, he's never go shopping hungry,
And right now in New England is hungry for a quarterback.
And they've to Kobe Brissaid and he's got eighteen wins,
and they've got Bailly Zappi and he's got four wins,
so that there's not a lot there and the fan
base is looking for the answer to who's going to
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be the next Tom Brady. But but you're right again,
if there's not the conviction in that spot, either trade
back and and try to build the roster and maybe
pick up another number one for next season, and understand
that this is a transitional year and and it may
not be what everybody wants to hear and what everybody
wants to see in New England because they're used.
Speaker 4 (12:32):
To so much success for.
Speaker 5 (12:34):
So long, but there are a lot of things that
have to get better, so so to bring another quarterback
in there, they just did that with a rookie quarterback
and and and that didn't work out, So to bring
another guy in again that you don't know or or
don't have a true belief that that he can be
the guy. To me, it's it's just trying to win
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the press conference as opposed to trying to win long term.
Speaker 1 (12:57):
All right, here's Tom Brady on a podcast. I want,
you know, listen to this from a guy you know. Well,
here's Tom Brady.
Speaker 3 (13:04):
Let's say one day it is a situation, right, if
it's the forty nine ers, maybe you know, headed to
the playoffs.
Speaker 6 (13:10):
Offense is great, God forbid, somebody goes down.
Speaker 1 (13:12):
Would you pick up that phone?
Speaker 2 (13:15):
I'm not opposed to it.
Speaker 7 (13:16):
If they would, I don't know if they're gonna let me,
but I become an owner in the NFL team, But
I don't know. If I don't know, I'm always going
to be a good shape, always be able to throw
the ball. So to come in for a little bit
like MJ coming back, I don't know if they let me,
but I wouldn't be opposed to it.
Speaker 1 (13:31):
All right, Eric, what do you make of that?
Speaker 5 (13:36):
I love it. I thought it was gonna happen last year.
I thought that he was coming back. Last year, I
thought he was going to play for the forty nine
ers last season, and I definitely felt that if someone
needed him late, he would have answered that call last season.
And it couldn't be more clear, the fact that he's
putting it out there that he could do it, he'll
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be ready to do it, He'll be open to do it.
To me, That's that's about as clear a message as
he can send to any team that's interested that he's
he's he's ready and and you know he's got to
be sitting there watching Joe Flacco last year and things right.
I can do this, and i can do this at
a really high level, and I've got an opportunity to
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maybe go win another Super Bowl if I get if
I get with the right team. I thought it was
so interesting that he brought up the Patriots. I mean,
can you ever imagine if he went back to New
England and they had a ton of success and it
wasn't with Bill and what kind of controversy and and
and and debates that would create.
Speaker 1 (14:35):
Well, I mean the two that jump out to me
are both in the NFC North. So between Kevin O'Connell
and those weapons and that left tackle tight end run game,
if sam Donold started zero to three. I could see
absolutely Kevin O'Connell saying, listen, I got JJ McCarthy, he's
not ready to play Tom. I'm gonna have this kid
watch it for a year. Or if Jared Goff with
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that thing, that Detroit team, he's got about two years
until they have to pay the whole roster. They're not
paying him. I can see if Jared Goff got banged up,
like you want to come play? So I mean to me,
I think people forget this is not Drew Brees or
Peyton Manninger Marino where they were shot physically. Tom's last
year in Tampa with no run game, he had five
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game winning drives. He took for forty seven hundred yards.
I mean, you remember his last year. What did you
make of.
Speaker 4 (15:25):
It, Colin?
Speaker 5 (15:28):
What about if Rock Purty as a down season, what
if he gets stinged up late in the year, and
the things that people forget about Thomas. It was never
about mobility with him. That was the last thing that
was known in terms of his game. So as he
gets older, that's never been something that's hurt. The way
that he's been able to produce and to bring in,
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to bring in someone like Tom with his level of
not this experience, but winning to a team that's really
good and balanced, You've got a real shot at that point.
He is a He is a legitimate answer to a
problem for a good team, especially late in the season.
Speaker 1 (16:07):
Eric Mangini, Are you're gonna be on First Things First today?
You're in the studio, right, so you'll you'll.
Speaker 4 (16:12):
Be I am, I'm in the studio.
Speaker 1 (16:14):
Yes, all right, good luck, good luck on that show.
They're a little crazy, we're a little.
Speaker 4 (16:18):
More sedated here, have fun this weekend.
Speaker 1 (16:20):
All right? Thanks? Yeah, you know that's interesting. Brock Purty
has another elbow issue. Yeah that Dan by the You
know what, I'm never root against anybody, But if Brady
took control of that organization and won a trophy, would
you then acknowledge Here comes a Brady off the senior tour,
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grabs the clubs and wins the masters. Wouldn't you be acknowledged?
Speaker 3 (16:44):
Now? Okay, so what forty seven year old Tom Brady
takes control of the organization? Rock Purty was just what
a caddy for the for Deebo, Samuel and everybody. Come on, Colin,
you don't you think the Brady are on fire today.
Speaker 1 (16:57):
You don't think the Brady thing. No, no, something to remember,
Eric said, he put it out there for the league
to hear it. Tom is strategic.
Speaker 3 (17:06):
He also had a smile on his face. He wants
to help this barber go viral or I'm assuming that's
a barber, right.
Speaker 1 (17:12):
Well, it's not a mechanic.
Speaker 3 (17:13):
Yeah, so I mean, what's to help the guy out?
Speaker 1 (17:16):
Come on?
Speaker 3 (17:16):
You got a smile on his face.
Speaker 1 (17:18):
Well. He also said twice twice he indicated I'd take
the call. Aren't you kind of putting stuff out there?
Speaker 3 (17:27):
Listen? I love it here. If Barkley and Shack say,
man MacIntyre, we like to cut of your jib. Would
I take the call?
Speaker 1 (17:34):
What am I doing?
Speaker 3 (17:35):
I take the call from them on the Would I
take a call?
Speaker 1 (17:38):
Sure? O?
Speaker 2 (17:41):
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Speaker 1 (17:51):
It is a Friday, Joel Klatt laughed, hour Lie from
the Ohio State spring game. Do you read that, O,
tawny stuff? I went home last night read more on
that stuff. That's a same a story man. Well, well,
what's that Look, what's that body language?
Speaker 3 (18:04):
I still feel bad for Otani. I feel terrible for him.
Sixteen mil. This guy was just a degenerate. So it
appears he was like buddies with him, close friends, interpreter
for three years, and at some point in twenty twenty
one he decided, I'm gonna just start stealing money and
gamble that away I want. I'm very curious what happened.
Maybe he just saw up close this guy Otani's loaded.
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He's not gonna notice if I just start taking, well.
Speaker 1 (18:26):
You start money, and sex makes people validate bad decisions,
and for men and your ego, your ID gets involved,
and I don't. That's to me, that sociopathic that you
could do that, The fact that you could do that
to anybody is discouraging. I couldn't do it to anybody.
To do it to a friend, you're a sociopath.
Speaker 3 (18:47):
And then remember he's hanging out with him every single day.
Speaker 1 (18:50):
It's it's but there are guys doing this all over
They are guys hitting on buddies, wives, There are socio
paths among us. They're all over the place. I mean,
they're just there's a lot of you know, I think
ninety nine percent of the people are good people, but
there are people that are. I mean, my wife sat
on a plane yesterday with somebody and she sat next
to a sociopath was screaming at people on the plane
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because she touched his bag. No, like out of you know.
She's like, I'm not married to him, I don't know him,
like crazy town because somebody touched his bag. It was
a nice bag and just went ballistic on like airline workers.
There's there's people out there there they'll justify behavior, justify
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criminal behavior, just because they feel they're important and they're hey,
it's no big deal for you. You see it all
over society. Thank god, it's a small Most people are
very decent. Most people would be gutted by this. But
what he's doing. I have seen pro athletes and entertainers
robbed by agents and allies my whole life. De Niro,
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Billy Joel, Kevin Garnett, Tim Duncan, Kareem. You're smart guys,
people that know what they're doing, rob buy allies.
Speaker 3 (20:00):
Yeah. I think it's something to do with just entitlement.
For the first time in my life, Colin, I had
someone this week threaten to take me to court over
something and I said, I mean, this is it? Are
you speaking like English does just makes sense? Like people
are just crazy and just think they're entitled to do
a bunch of stuff. I was like, I don't. I
just I feel bad for a Tony. I don't know
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how he's handling this.
Speaker 1 (20:22):
Yeah, JS, no, no, turn on the news.
Speaker 2 (20:26):
This is the herd Line news.
Speaker 3 (20:30):
Start with the Houston Texans blockbuster offseason, adding Stefan Diggs.
Remember they got to the playoff last year. CJ Stroud
went off. Uh, Now they're trying to build a contender.
While Hannah McNair, the wife of Cal McNair, saying, we
want to win. Now we've seen their win total spike.
Speaker 1 (20:51):
I was kind of I thought they'd pull back a little,
but they've made more great moves.
Speaker 3 (20:55):
No, they're going all in. I think they added this
is a great I think I saw eleven news bodies
to the team, just adding guys left and right before
the draft.
Speaker 1 (21:04):
Yeah remember last year, And you could go back and
find us archive because I'm sure it's somewhere. But we
had said, because we have a guy in the staff,
Greg that's from Houston Soon and I had said during
last year's offseason, I said, they're making a bunch of
really smart B to B plus moves Dalton Scholz. It's
not a Nate you didn't get Travis Kelcey, but very
productive tight end. And they just started adding guys and
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you're like, god, this it's the Houston Texans. And then
their draft and you're like, oh, they hit a couple
of home runs. And this offseason again like it's people
don't win by osmosis or coincidence. Like the Houston Texans
now have a very sharp GM, a great coach, a
great coordinator, and a star quarterback. They're not doing it.
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It's not a matter of the AFC South being weak.
They hit on several key things. And the other thing
that jumps out to me with the Texans growth is
Nick Casario was in New England. Why were their draft
so damn bad for the last six years? He goes
to Houston and they're crushing it. It tells you that
Belichick you surp some of his power and had too
much of it. Well because New England was awful at
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the draft. Same guy leaves, go to Houston and they're
terrific in the draft.
Speaker 3 (22:13):
Okay, but and this will never know the answer to this,
But how much of it was just luck that c J.
Stroud fell to them and Carolina picked the wrong guy? Now,
if c J. Stroud goes to Carolina, I mean, but
it's I don't know.
Speaker 1 (22:26):
It's not luck because they also hit on the coordinator
and the coach and Tank Dell and Dalton Schultz. Luck
is powerball. This isn't luck.
Speaker 4 (22:37):
You know?
Speaker 1 (22:37):
Were they fortunate for they got c J. Stroud? But
the reason c J. Stroud then they also, by the way,
traded it up for will Anderson if you recall.
Speaker 3 (22:47):
And at the time people were like, you're trading up
for a defensive end and I think it was Arizona
had their pick and people were like, oh, Arizona's gonna
have to fuck five picnic I said that to myself,
it wasn't It didn't look like the smartest trade. What's interesting, Colin,
with all these new faces and bodies and strong personalities
Joe Mixon us on that list, Stefon Diggs, young quarterback,
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how is that soup gonna work? Is everything gonna go
together nicely? And that's a tall order for their young
head coach, Tamiko Ryan. That's a that's a very difficult one,
is it not.
Speaker 1 (23:18):
I think I felt like because they won their division,
I thought they would get a tougher schedule, and I
felt like, Okay, Herbert's gonna get a real coach, and
here comes Joe Burrow and the conference is going to
be better, Aaron Rodgers will be healthy. But boy, once again,
I watch what they're doing and I'm like, they just
got smart guys. I know there's a lot of people
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out there that think success is luck. Houston has turned
around a shipwreck in the year and a half based
on smart people making really smart moves. Do you know
that they reached out to me. This is people that
do their homework. So I did an interview with Notre
Dame Safety Kyle Hamilton at my house because he was
on a podcast network. The Houston Texans saw it. Literally
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reached out to me and they're like, hey, do you
got five minutes? What were your interpretations of them as
a human being this day? So I wrote him an
email on the strengths this is that. But I thought
to myself, they that's somebody that Now Baltimore went and
got him. But the Texans literally reached out and they
were like, you spent thirty five minutes with him, what
were your interpretation? They just wanted information from any source,
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and I was like, that's real homework because I've had
people on this show. If I've had somebody, I had
a quarterback and I had somebody reach out and say
what was he like off the air when the TAMA
was not. That's just people seeking information. I like people
that do that in any business. Super hot take, cold
flin the division. I don't think that's a hot take.
I think Shane Steichen's great.
Speaker 3 (24:44):
I think that's where the betting that out is.
Speaker 1 (24:45):
Here's a hot take. That division's gonna end up being
much better than people think. Yeah, so that division was weak,
but I think Indy, I think Jacksonville now with Trevor Lawrence.
Speaker 3 (24:56):
Is healthy and Justine Jacksonville dank.
Speaker 1 (24:58):
No that that divisions no longer. It's don't confuse it
with the NFC side. Well, last year it was Bill's
and Dolphins in the AFC East.
Speaker 3 (25:05):
I think both will miss the playoffs this year. All right,
good luck with that super hot take.
Speaker 1 (25:08):
All right?
Speaker 3 (25:08):
Next up, JJ McCarthy jumping up draft boards leading up
to the draft. One NFL GM is not as impressed.
An anonymous GM told The Athletic, he hasn't seen the
positives that we're hearing about McCarthy now. The GM also
said McCarthy never had to carry Michigan and was driving
a damn Cadillac. Whatever that means.
Speaker 1 (25:29):
Well, he was, by the way, the best Cadillac on
the streets. Well you can say that about c J.
Stroud that I mean, I look at all the great
players he played with. At some point we think JJ
McCarthy's talented. I do not see what everybody else sees
in terms of like superstar, But what do I know.
I think there's two quarterbacks that feel different. Caleb Williams
would succeed almost anywhere, and I think Jaden Daniels is
(25:49):
really good, really consistently good. After that, wherever whoever lands
in Minnesota has a strong likelihood whoever it is, they'll succeed.
Sean Payton gets a guy. I think Sean Payton and
Kevin O'Connell Denver and Minnesota, who they land has a
higher chance to succeed. But if they ended up with
(26:10):
just an average coach or a defensive you know.
Speaker 3 (26:12):
My takeaway from that is, is it the athletic was
talking to a GM who's like over sixty five years old.
Because nobody references Cadillacs anymore. It's all about the Lambeau.
Speaker 1 (26:21):
The maclaria. That's a good point, the real car So
who are the oldest gms in the league.
Speaker 3 (26:25):
I'll siphon through that at the next commercial break and
the get back.
Speaker 1 (26:28):
That's a good call by you.
Speaker 3 (26:30):
Final story is the Vikings your favorite team in the league.
Next year, they lose Kirk Cousins to the Falcons and
they're sitting at eleventh in the draft. They have the
capital to move up, and their GM spoke about why
Minnesota sees plenty of great options in this quarterback class.
Speaker 6 (26:45):
There's multiple guys that we are in love with just
on an outright basis, but there's also other guys that
were in love with given what if we get them
at a certain value, what they'd also be able to
come with right, So, as I talked about earlier, the
skill set wise, if you're talking about the ability to
overcome content, well, if the guy's got less ability, but
we have assets to go get somebody who's not going
to put him in that situation. Those things add up too.
(27:06):
A lot of times evaluators is gonna be a little
one track mind. This is the guy and nobody else.
That's not how it's been. We've really come to appreciate
how guys get to their answer a different way, and
I think that's going to serve us well.
Speaker 3 (27:17):
I like what Minnesota's done. They move Remember they move
off Dalvin Cookie. Oh, Dalvin Cook top five running bout
what are they doing?
Speaker 1 (27:23):
By the way he kind of disappeared.
Speaker 2 (27:25):
It was a good timing.
Speaker 3 (27:26):
They move off Kirk Cousins, They dump Madison the other
the backup to Dalvin Cook. They know you can just
plug in a guy, ty Chandler whoever. I just I'm
not as excited about them as you are this season
going forward.
Speaker 1 (27:39):
Yes, but Minnesota, in my life, the Vikings have almost
never been awful. They don't have Green Bay's titles, but
they remind me a lot of Kansas City prima homes.
I always thought of them as a tough team, good
at home, so I grew up in the seventies. They
were great for years with Bud Grant, Purple people, Leader,
Ran Tarkin and Allen Page, Ama Rashad They I mean,
(28:01):
they were just great. They were always good.
Speaker 3 (28:04):
All I remember is Dante Colepepper, Randy Mawson team. Those
teams are nasty. Yeah, I think fifteen in one one.
Speaker 1 (28:10):
Like it's just one of those things where you know,
you look at Minnesota and everybody kind of I look
at him like the Kansas City Chiefs if Mahomes goes
to Kansas City or if Mahomes goes to Minnesota not
Kansas City. The Vikings run the league. I mean, the
ownership is solid. They've had really solid personnel moves. They
always have good players. I mean they they move off
Stevon Diggs, Justin Jefferson, Jordan Addison, Osborne, TJ. Hawkinson, Aaron Jones. Dude,
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they're off at the left, tackles the best young left town.
I always think Minnesota is full of smart people and
well run. It's just they haven't they haven't won the game.
Speaker 3 (28:45):
J Mack with the news, Well that's the news, and
thanks for stopping Dons the herd line.
Speaker 1 (28:51):
It's almost like, and I know, I go, I go
old school here, and it really bothers J Mack. But
when the Golden State Warriors got great, I'll give you
a great example. So I grew up in the seventies
is when I fell in love with sports. Well, the
Warriors were great. They had Rick Berry and Jeff Mullen
and Al Addles and Clifford Ray and I think Keith Wilkes.
(29:11):
I think I'm just the own guys out there. But
they were really, really good and it was an incredible
basketball city. And then they were bad forever, but the
city still loved the Warriors. So when you watch the
Warriors now, it's easy to say, oh, the fans are
bandwagon fans, but I always thought it was for years
in years, like Chicago, I go to watch the Bulls
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twice in the last month, the place is sold out.
The team's not any good. Chicago's a very good I
grew up with the Bulls years and years and years
went in the seventies and they had like Bob Love
and they just Michael took a really good fan base
and it exploded for ten twelve years. And that's what
Steph Curry's done. But there are a lot of cities
out there that are great cities, but they've been poorly
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owned or poorly run. And so you know, I mean,
like when you look at the Cleveland Browns, when have
they not love the NFL. Hey, b what my entire life?
The Browns have been one of the top five fan
bases in the league. They've had a lot of bad owners,
it's not their fault.
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Speaker 2 (30:41):
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Speaker 8 (30:42):
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Speaker 3 (31:23):
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Speaker 1 (31:36):
So outside of the NFL, every sport in America is
overwhelmingly dependent on who is winning. In college football. Michigan
got really great last year. Michigan has a massive national
fan base. The ratings went up the Big Ten this year,
adding Washington and USC and Oregon Popular Programs UCLA ratings
(32:00):
for the Big Ten. The people upstairs are indicating it'll
pop fifteen to twenty percent Texas Oklahoma to the SEC
will help the numbers, you know. I mean Serena is
hard to replace, Roger Feder hard to replace, John McEnroe
hard to replace. So almost all sports outside of maybe
in England the English Premier League, they're gonna watch Liverpool regardless.
(32:23):
And in the NFL, we watch the NFL regardless. But
in the NBA, we were just talking during the break,
what if the Warriors and Lakers both don't get in
Steph ad Lebron, Draymond Green, villains are not those are
big names in the West. People don't know Okac yet.
Now Okay C's were too good, but people don't really
follow Karl Anthony Towns and Rudy Gobart and Edwards like
(32:48):
Steph and Lebron. That's why it's really important that the
Knicks with Jalen Brunson are playing great basketball. Like it's
really important for the NBA because after Boston, Milwaukee's not
it's not having a number and so it's interesting to
me this weekend you're getting into a situation that play
in tournament. I mean, if Lebron gets launched out in
(33:08):
Steph Curry, now I tend to believe the Warriors are
more valuable than Lebron at this point because I think
the Warriors style of play. They've got the beloved Steph
Curry and the villain Draymond, So I think I don't
think Lebron's necessarily a villain anymore, but Ad is not.
You know, he's not driving a number. I do think
(33:30):
if the Warriors get bounced in the playoffs, it is
bad for the NBA. If the Lakers get bounced and
the Warriors make us surge, don't kid yourself. Steph Curry,
to me, drives a bigger rating than anybody in the sport,
any franchise, any player, including Lebron. It's driven by Steph Curry.
His style of play is more fun than Lebron, you know,
taking wild shot. It's like Caitlin Clark at Iowa. It's
(33:52):
nothing against Iowa Women's college basketball. Caitlin Clark drove those numbers.
Her game's got huge numbers, and then the game that
followed right after got huge numbers. You take Caitlin out,
it's not the same TV ratings. So it's interesting. At
the end of the year, you got everybody in the
league playing tonight and Sunday, it does matter who gets
into these NBA playoffs. By the way, speaking to Karl
(34:14):
Anthony Towns and the New York Knicks, so we know
that all stars are not the same in the NBA.
So the timber Wolves, Carl Anthony Towns is coming back,
he's been hurt. They're actually a better team statistically when
he was out. They play faster, they hit more threes.
Minnesota offensively was a better team. Look at these numbers.
(34:35):
Look at these numbers without cat points per game, assists
per game, fast break points, especially fast break points. They're
a faster team without Karl Anthony Towns. What does this
mean teams like the Warriors and Knicks that are looking
for a big who can score. Minnesota is looking at
this thinking, we already got a big. This is an
(34:57):
Ant Edwards team. We can move off this. We are
fight in a weird way. The injury has let Minnesota
get a real view of this club without their second big.
My take is they'll move off if the Knickson, Warriors
or somebody calls. Julius Randall's also interesting. So he's out
and the Knicks have been great without him. And so
(35:19):
if you look at Julius Randall, his price tag and
what he historically has done in the playoffs. He disappears
in the playoffs. He's a guy that plays with heavy,
heavy effort, big minutes, heavy effort. That's great for the
regular season, but if you go look at his playoff
career average, he's a very average player. Seventeen a game,
thirty four percent from the floor, too many turnovers. So
(35:43):
the Knicks similarly, Julius Randall has a market, Karl Anthony
Towns has a market. But both the Knicks and the
tee Wolves have gotten a little bit of a break.
They have watched their team without really good players who
they're probably privately wondering about moving, and their teams are
(36:04):
fine without him. The Knicks now run more of their
place through Jalen Brunson. He's on fire, He's great. I mean,
Luca got in the way of him. It looks like
Julius Randall a little bit gets in the way of
Jalen Brunson. So Luca and jaln So I'm watching Jalen
Brunson last night, and I've watched him live here recently.
This kid is next to you and he's to me.
(36:25):
He is the Knicks. This is the best Knick star
in a long time. So Carl Anthony Towns leaves Minnesota,
they actually play at a faster pace. They're a little
better offensively. Julius Randall leaves the Knicks. You think you
lose this and that and this, But in the playoffs
there's an argument they'll be less reliant on him, won't
have to create shots for him, and there'll be more
Jalen Brunson's team. So just things to think about. I
(36:49):
don't know. I think Carl Anthony Towns and Julius Randall especial,
especially Carl Anthony Towns. There are teams out there that
need a twenty point a game, twenty two point a
game Big Warrior Knicks do among others. All right, Tom
Brady said on a podcast, jamac is down playing it.
(37:09):
But I do think certain athletes, when they become like
cottage industries, they're strategic. They put stuff out there, Lebron,
I've seen do it. I've seen Brady do it. It's
not a bad thing. They put stuff out there. So
Brady put it out there on a podcast. Hey, if
if somebody calls, all take the call. Well he wouldn't
say it twice. Tom's no dummy. He wouldn't say it twice.
(37:34):
He's looking around at Joe Flacco and thinking anyway. Eric Mangini,
who coached around Brady for years, his thoughts on what
Tom said.
Speaker 5 (37:43):
The fact that he's putting it out there that he
could do it, He'll be ready to do it.
Speaker 4 (37:47):
He'll be open to do it.
Speaker 5 (37:49):
To me, that's that's about as clear a message as
he can send to any team that's interested that he's
he's he's ready, and you know he's got to be
sitting there watching Joe Flack last year and think, I
can do this, and I can do this at a
really high level, and I've got an opportunity to maybe
go win another Super Bowl if I get if I
get with the right team. And the thing that people
(38:11):
forget about Thomas, it was never about mobility with him.
That was the last thing that was known in terms
of his game. So as he gets older, that's never
been something that's hurt the way that he's been able
to produce.
Speaker 1 (38:24):
Do you think the league's better with Brady in it
next year? I do. I think it's more fascinating. I
think we're in the story business. He goes to a
Minnesota or San Francisco. Are you kidding me?
Speaker 3 (38:36):
Okay, I'm not going to answer that, but let me
push back on this. If he's not opposed to a
late season return, why didn't he call the Jets when
Aaron Rodgers went down?
Speaker 1 (38:44):
Because he doesn't want to play with a team with
a defensive coach and a terrible old line. That's a
terrible place to go. There is an absolute truth. Old
quarterbacks need good old lines, which why the Niners, to me,
is not the best fit. It would be Jared Goff
goes down Detroit, Kirk Cousins get hurt Atlanta. Those are
great old lines.
Speaker 3 (39:04):
Wait a minute, Atlanta had no quarterback last year anyway,
Why didn't he just go there.
Speaker 1 (39:08):
Because it wasn't his first choice? Maybe he's waiting for
the Niners. Jets is a bad old line?
Speaker 3 (39:15):
Well it was bad, it's now better. Morgan Moses at
Tyron Smith. Let me as they get the guard from Baltimore,
they're gonna draft the guy.
Speaker 1 (39:22):
Ok it's gonna on this show. Had you ever mentioned
Morgan Moses before this?
Speaker 3 (39:27):
We often don't talk right tackles, but sometimes I like
to get in the trenches. Colin. No, No, actually, we
do talk tackles during the gambling NFL season. You know,
offensive line matters.
Speaker 1 (39:37):
We love Lane Johnson for the record, Lane, we loved.
Speaker 3 (39:39):
Yet just for the record, Jets have the best roster
in the AFC East and that's undeniable. You cannot even
push back against that. Let's see that. I don't want
to take you all over the place.
Speaker 1 (39:52):
I do not want to take the audience through this nonsense.
Speaker 3 (39:55):
But you'll talk seventies NBA with them, right, Okay.
Speaker 1 (39:58):
You can't tell me that America isn't riveted when I
bring up Jack Sikma. You can't.
Speaker 3 (40:04):
I know Jack Sikma because he played the eighties. I
know a little bit eighties.
Speaker 1 (40:07):
Yeah, okay, did seventies NBA just didn't have a dynasty.
But it's when the NBA was reborn.
Speaker 3 (40:14):
Didn't have a dynasty. Did they have a TV deal?
Let me be bro Come on, geez.
Speaker 1 (40:20):
You know you forget you think the seventies. You know
the seventies and today has a lot. Peanut butter and
jelly sandwiches were great then, they're great now. We didn't
have FaceTime, the distractions, all the silly apps. It was
the same place. You loved your kids, You got to work.
Speaker 3 (40:37):
Listening curtain a little bit here. You're a big FaceTime guy.
Every time I'm hanging out with you, you're on Facebook.
Speaker 1 (40:43):
FaceTime is the greatest invention outside of the television.
Speaker 3 (40:46):
Kid here, that's not good.
Speaker 1 (40:47):
It's a little distracting, but it's the second best invention
of my life to television. I'm I'm not talking medical inventions.
I'm saying tech that we use. I don't need zoom.
I can live without zoom. You're conditioning, well again, I
I've never lived in Mobile, Alabama.
Speaker 3 (41:02):
I'm not.
Speaker 1 (41:02):
You know I did. They're yes, air conditioning made the
South more viable with factories. Arizona's livable. Yes, yes, I
know that.
Speaker 3 (41:10):
Well Arizona. I thought we said yeah.
Speaker 1 (41:12):
I mean no, No, I'm not. I'm not in my
life and in my reality TV FaceTime is that? What's
that fast time number two
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Speaker 1 (00:26):
All right, here we go, it's our two. We are
live in Los Angeles. It's The Herd. Joe Clatten next hour,
Chris Brusard coming up later, next hour. Get to Eric
Mangini in a second. Jmac going to UFC three hundred
tomorrow AND's gonna go with me the pageantry. It's gonna
be fun.
Speaker 3 (00:46):
Maybe you'll see Aaron Rodgers and Joe Rogan there.
Speaker 1 (00:48):
Joe Rogan I think the ring and now he's not announced.
Speaker 3 (00:51):
He's at all of them.
Speaker 1 (00:51):
Yeah, he knows his stuff, he knows UFC. I don't
think Aaron will be there. That's cool.
Speaker 3 (00:56):
We didn't go through anything.
Speaker 1 (00:56):
We could have a presidential candidate there, hope to avoid him.
Speaker 3 (01:00):
Joe Joe Biden's good. Isn't that past his bedtime? That's
a joke. That is that joy joke.
Speaker 1 (01:07):
I'm sorry, wasn't a bad joke, So I was. I
saw this. So college sports fans are wacko. The SEC
is like a different level of tribalism. So Kentucky's really
really mad. Their fans are mad that they hired Mark Pope,
who went to Kentucky, who went to med school at Columbia,
briefly qualified before he got a job, who won like
(01:30):
twenty three games a year at BYU, and is really smart. Yeah,
I think you win twenty three games a year at BYU.
You're a pretty good basketball coach. I'd say you could
win twenty eight games at Kentucky. He's also the anti
John Cola Pari, where he likes guys that can shoot
and have skill over guys with high ceilings who's going
to develop for six months. He's got great confidence in
(01:51):
his coaching. He likes guys that can shoot and high
on the skill. So not a big sales pitch guy
that he does have a personality, but you know Calipari
sales pitches. Don't worry about March. I'll make you rich.
Mark Polpe's is, hey, you'll come in, you'll play, and
we're gonna win games, and we can do well in
the tournament. Now he doesn't have a tournament win, but
(02:12):
again he where's he coached? You know, give me all
the bull wins for Chip Kelly before he got the Oregon.
Talent in coaching comes from somewhere you don't get to start,
usually at Duke. So I mean I, Dan Hurley, the
problem with Kentucky is this delusion. They just got turned
down by coaches that weren't real candidates. Dan Hurley said,
(02:35):
not interested, nor should he be easy a better program.
Jay Wright's like, not interested, Been there, done that. I
was at Villanova. I don't need to go to Kentucky
and Billy Donovan coaches the Chicago Bulls has a better
life than a college coach who's constantly recruiting. So those
three candidates are all probably better candidates than Mark Pope.
That doesn't guarantee they'll do better, but they weren't real candidates,
(02:57):
and so Kentucky, as SEC fans are prone to do.
The wacko fans were calling the home phone numbers of
like Kentucky administrators last night. Maybe that's a reason where
it gets out people don't want the job is that
you're unrealistic. So I mean, Calipari was not a bad coach.
I think his sales pitch war finn and the culture
(03:17):
changed and he wouldn't change. But Mark Pope was great
high school player, great college player, Kentucky wildcat, won at BYU,
went to a med school before he got a job.
He's a good candidate. Well, he didn't win this and
he didn't win that. I got news for you. Nick
Saban wasn't that successful at Michigan State, got fired in
the NFL. You start looking around, where do the good
(03:42):
young coaches come from? They got to come from somewhere.
Here was a little snippet of Pope and his personality
at BYU. There's one secret to making shots.
Speaker 3 (03:54):
I was with Reggie Miller for two years.
Speaker 1 (03:56):
I was with Raylan for two years.
Speaker 4 (03:58):
I played for Larry Burr.
Speaker 3 (04:00):
Being with those guys, you know that there's a secret
to making shots.
Speaker 2 (04:05):
The problem is I have no idea what that secret is.
Speaker 1 (04:08):
For the record, could you have argued that the Houston
Texans should have hired Belichick based on his resume? No,
they went with a young guy, Demko Ryans, who hit
it out of the park. Where the great Where are
the next great coaches? From come from usually smaller schools,
lesser programs. You know, I covered Jay Wright when he
was assistant at UNLV and I knew he would be great.
(04:30):
He just wasn't ready at the time. And then he
goes to Villanova, he starts coaching, takes him a while,
builds his program up. But Mark Pope is not a
bad candidate. How many coaches got into Columbia Med School
scaled back he played there, He was a great player.
He's winning it BYU which moved into the Big Twelve,
which is wasn't the Big Twelve last year the best
(04:51):
college basketball conference. Arguably a tough place to win games
with that. Eric Mangini, Fox Sports NFL analyst Jets head coach.
By the way, before you got your head coaching job,
I remember talking about this young guy and the Jets
could have easily gone for a bigger name. Who were
(05:12):
the bigger names on the market when the Jets hired you.
Speaker 5 (05:17):
Josh, that's a long time ago. Down I don't know
who the big names were. It was actually a little
bit of a movement towards younger coaches at that time.
And then you know, after I got there, in the
first year, we ended up being successful in going to
the playoffs. That movement continued, and I think Mike Tomlin
came pretty soon after me, and there's like four or
(05:38):
five guys that we were all kind of in the
same same age group. And then that's how it is.
You know, in the NFL, it's so cyclical. You get
the young guys and then they move away, and then
they may move to more mature guys. But I agree
with you. You got to give young guys a chance
to prove that they can do it. And typically they're
going to come from programs that have had problems, they've
made successful and now they have an influx of huge
(06:01):
talent and they're really successful.
Speaker 4 (06:02):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (06:03):
So I was saying this about Jordan Love. I remember
when he came out. There were varying opinions on Jordan
Love from my sources through the league, but I can
remember one of the people that liked him saying, Listen,
young people more than older players need support because they're
they're forming, they're refining, they're figuring out who they are.
So an assistant for a young player can be vital
(06:24):
to their success. You know, a Tom Brady and Aaron Rodgers.
I mean they kind of know what they do, get
out of their way, they know what they do. They've
got their habits formed and their confidence built. And so
Drake Mays an interesting one where I talked to an
executive and they're like, go to his tape the year
before he was throwing people open. His anticipation was better.
(06:44):
He goes, you just don't know. Did he lose a quarterback, coach,
a receiver, you know, a right tackle. So what was
your evaluation on a Drake May that has had better
stuff like a Jordan Love earlier? How would you fall
on that as a draft evaluatory.
Speaker 5 (07:02):
You want to look at the whole picture. And I'm
not that high on Drake May. I didn't love him
when I watched him on tape. And I think we
talked about this before. I like Jade and Daniels more
in the first half against Alabama than the three games
that I did on Drake May this year. And the
one concern I have is the sacks. I mean, the
year ago is forty sacks. This year was twenty nine sacks.
(07:25):
I don't love the inner the TD to interception ratio
that he has. It's a little Sam donald esk. And
then when you look at Sam Darnold back in college.
His senior year, he had twenty nine sacks. This year,
Drake May had twenty nine sacks or not his senior year,
but his last year had twenty nine sacks, and in
very similar in terms of interceptions the touchdowns. I think
he had twenty four touchdowns and thirteen picks and what
(07:48):
Drake May have like twenty two and nine or it's close,
very close numbers wise. And I get the excitement about
Drake May, and there's a lot of positive things about him,
and you see the potential he just there's also some
big inconsistencies that I struggled with as I watched them,
(08:11):
And you know there is the potential component to it,
and you hope that you can get that potential out
of them.
Speaker 4 (08:18):
But I do I have.
Speaker 5 (08:19):
A little bit of the same feeling that I had
when I watched Sam Darnold in college.
Speaker 1 (08:23):
Somebody I trust told me the Giants will take a
quarterback if Jaden Daniels dropped. I don't think he will,
because I believe Caleb's won Jadeen Daniels to Washington. I've
been told as too, But if he dropped, the Giants
can do a lot of different things. They'll move down,
they'll get a receiver. I was told more than any
team in the draft, the Giants are just gonna wait
and see what happens. They prefer not. They don't have
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enough talent to give up years of draft capital, and
they don't believe Daniel Jones is the kind of guy
that can take them where they want to go privately.
So here's my thing. Let's say Drake May falls with
the Giants and you're like, well, he's think he's better
than what we have, but he has holes. What would
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you do if you ran the Giants in one of
these questions? JJ McCarthy was available, Drake May was available,
We know Pennis and bow Knicks will be so Caleb's
off the board, Jaden's off the board. Would you go
quarterback if the other guys are available?
Speaker 5 (09:24):
Unless I firmly believe that this guy's going to be
a quarterback for the next ten years and that he
can actually get us to where we need to go.
And you're not hoping, You're not trying to sit in
the room with the you know, ahead of the draft,
and the pro personnel guys and the owners and convince
yourself that he's better than Daniel Jones, because in that case,
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it's a mistake.
Speaker 4 (09:47):
You're gonna spend.
Speaker 5 (09:48):
Ninety two million dollars on Daniel Jones, and you really
lost Saquon Barkley because you made that decision with Daniel Jones.
And they've spent a lot of money this off season.
They've spent the seventh most money of any team in
the NFL, and.
Speaker 4 (10:00):
There are other holes.
Speaker 5 (10:02):
And I really believe that Brian dave Ball can get
the most out of Daniel Jones, and I think he'll
do a good job with a rookie quarterback as well.
But unless you have a firm conviction that the guy
you're taking in that spot is not only going to
be better than Daniel Jones now, but he's going to
be there for the next ten years and gives you
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a chance to win a championship, Otherwise, it's just it's
probably going to end up getting Brian fired because there's
going to be tremendous pressure to play that guy and
he's probably not going to be ready, and when he
comes in, he's probably not going to be.
Speaker 4 (10:35):
Better than Daniel Jones.
Speaker 5 (10:37):
And ownership is going to look at it and say
we spent a lot of money on this player, and
now we had to go take another guy with the
six pick in the draft.
Speaker 4 (10:45):
They start to question the decision making.
Speaker 5 (10:47):
So I would say, if anything, draft the best player
to either help Daniel Jones or push back and get
more more firepowered and improve the overall team.
Speaker 1 (10:56):
Well you know New England. Well, I've made the argument
that if you moved in the draft and just go
get skilled players in draft capital, and then if your
team is that young, if you hit on seven or
eight draft picks, then go pay for a free agent
quarterback next year. Because I don't believe even Caleb Williams
could succeed with this lack of playmakers. I think you
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have and for me, there's two quarterbacks I love, and
then everything else is really situational. And I think Jayden
Daniels is gonna work with Cliff Kingsbury. I mean, he's
had that kind of player before. I think Caleb's gonna work.
The Bears are a much better situation after that. It's
where you'll lay whoever goes to Minnesota with Kevin and
those weapons will do fine. But I look at New
England and I'm like, boy, I could really be talked
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in if I was Robert Kraft, move down, get picks,
get faster, and let's just go to the free agent
market next year. Is that crazy?
Speaker 5 (11:49):
No, I don't think it's crazy, But it's a little
bit like like they say, he's never go shopping hungry,
And right now in New England is hungry for a quarterback.
And they've to Kobe Brissaid and he's got eighteen wins,
and they've got Bailly Zappi and he's got four wins,
so that there's not a lot there and the fan
base is looking for the answer to who's going to
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be the next Tom Brady. But but you're right again,
if there's not the conviction in that spot, either trade
back and and try to build the roster and maybe
pick up another number one for next season, and understand
that this is a transitional year and and it may
not be what everybody wants to hear and what everybody
wants to see in New England because they're used.
Speaker 4 (12:32):
To so much success for.
Speaker 5 (12:34):
So long, but there are a lot of things that
have to get better, so so to bring another quarterback
in there, they just did that with a rookie quarterback
and and and that didn't work out, So to bring
another guy in again that you don't know or or
don't have a true belief that that he can be
the guy. To me, it's it's just trying to win
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the press conference as opposed to trying to win long term.
Speaker 1 (12:57):
All right, here's Tom Brady on a podcast. I want,
you know, listen to this from a guy you know. Well,
here's Tom Brady.
Speaker 3 (13:04):
Let's say one day it is a situation, right, if
it's the forty nine ers, maybe you know, headed to
the playoffs.
Speaker 6 (13:10):
Offense is great, God forbid, somebody goes down.
Speaker 1 (13:12):
Would you pick up that phone?
Speaker 2 (13:15):
I'm not opposed to it.
Speaker 7 (13:16):
If they would, I don't know if they're gonna let me,
but I become an owner in the NFL team, But
I don't know. If I don't know, I'm always going
to be a good shape, always be able to throw
the ball. So to come in for a little bit
like MJ coming back, I don't know if they let me,
but I wouldn't be opposed to it.
Speaker 1 (13:31):
All right, Eric, what do you make of that?
Speaker 5 (13:36):
I love it. I thought it was gonna happen last year.
I thought that he was coming back. Last year, I
thought he was going to play for the forty nine
ers last season, and I definitely felt that if someone
needed him late, he would have answered that call last season.
And it couldn't be more clear, the fact that he's
putting it out there that he could do it, he'll
(13:56):
be ready to do it, He'll be open to do it.
To me, That's that's about as clear a message as
he can send to any team that's interested that he's
he's he's ready and and you know he's got to
be sitting there watching Joe Flacco last year and things right.
I can do this, and i can do this at
a really high level, and I've got an opportunity to
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maybe go win another Super Bowl if I get if
I get with the right team. I thought it was
so interesting that he brought up the Patriots. I mean,
can you ever imagine if he went back to New
England and they had a ton of success and it
wasn't with Bill and what kind of controversy and and
and and debates that would create.
Speaker 1 (14:35):
Well, I mean the two that jump out to me
are both in the NFC North. So between Kevin O'Connell
and those weapons and that left tackle tight end run game,
if sam Donold started zero to three. I could see
absolutely Kevin O'Connell saying, listen, I got JJ McCarthy, he's
not ready to play Tom. I'm gonna have this kid
watch it for a year. Or if Jared Goff with
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that thing, that Detroit team, he's got about two years
until they have to pay the whole roster. They're not
paying him. I can see if Jared Goff got banged up,
like you want to come play? So I mean to me,
I think people forget this is not Drew Brees or
Peyton Manninger Marino where they were shot physically. Tom's last
year in Tampa with no run game, he had five
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game winning drives. He took for forty seven hundred yards.
I mean, you remember his last year. What did you
make of.
Speaker 4 (15:25):
It, Colin?
Speaker 5 (15:28):
What about if Rock Purty as a down season, what
if he gets stinged up late in the year, and
the things that people forget about Thomas. It was never
about mobility with him. That was the last thing that
was known in terms of his game. So as he
gets older, that's never been something that's hurt. The way
that he's been able to produce and to bring in,
(15:49):
to bring in someone like Tom with his level of
not this experience, but winning to a team that's really
good and balanced, You've got a real shot at that point.
He is a He is a legitimate answer to a
problem for a good team, especially late in the season.
Speaker 1 (16:07):
Eric Mangini, Are you're gonna be on First Things First today?
You're in the studio, right, so you'll you'll.
Speaker 4 (16:12):
Be I am, I'm in the studio.
Speaker 1 (16:14):
Yes, all right, good luck, good luck on that show.
They're a little crazy, we're a little.
Speaker 4 (16:18):
More sedated here, have fun this weekend.
Speaker 1 (16:20):
All right? Thanks? Yeah, you know that's interesting. Brock Purty
has another elbow issue. Yeah that Dan by the You
know what, I'm never root against anybody, But if Brady
took control of that organization and won a trophy, would
you then acknowledge Here comes a Brady off the senior tour,
(16:40):
grabs the clubs and wins the masters. Wouldn't you be acknowledged?
Speaker 3 (16:44):
Now? Okay, so what forty seven year old Tom Brady
takes control of the organization? Rock Purty was just what
a caddy for the for Deebo, Samuel and everybody. Come on, Colin,
you don't you think the Brady are on fire today.
Speaker 1 (16:57):
You don't think the Brady thing. No, no, something to remember,
Eric said, he put it out there for the league
to hear it. Tom is strategic.
Speaker 3 (17:06):
He also had a smile on his face. He wants
to help this barber go viral or I'm assuming that's
a barber, right.
Speaker 1 (17:12):
Well, it's not a mechanic.
Speaker 3 (17:13):
Yeah, so I mean, what's to help the guy out?
Speaker 1 (17:16):
Come on?
Speaker 3 (17:16):
You got a smile on his face.
Speaker 1 (17:18):
Well. He also said twice twice he indicated I'd take
the call. Aren't you kind of putting stuff out there?
Speaker 3 (17:27):
Listen? I love it here. If Barkley and Shack say,
man MacIntyre, we like to cut of your jib. Would
I take the call?
Speaker 1 (17:34):
What am I doing?
Speaker 3 (17:35):
I take the call from them on the Would I
take a call?
Speaker 1 (17:38):
Sure? O?
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Speaker 1 (17:51):
It is a Friday, Joel Klatt laughed, hour Lie from
the Ohio State spring game. Do you read that, O,
tawny stuff? I went home last night read more on
that stuff. That's a same a story man. Well, well,
what's that Look, what's that body language?
Speaker 3 (18:04):
I still feel bad for Otani. I feel terrible for him.
Sixteen mil. This guy was just a degenerate. So it
appears he was like buddies with him, close friends, interpreter
for three years, and at some point in twenty twenty
one he decided, I'm gonna just start stealing money and
gamble that away I want. I'm very curious what happened.
Maybe he just saw up close this guy Otani's loaded.
(18:24):
He's not gonna notice if I just start taking, well.
Speaker 1 (18:26):
You start money, and sex makes people validate bad decisions,
and for men and your ego, your ID gets involved,
and I don't. That's to me, that sociopathic that you
could do that, The fact that you could do that
to anybody is discouraging. I couldn't do it to anybody.
To do it to a friend, you're a sociopath.
Speaker 3 (18:47):
And then remember he's hanging out with him every single day.
Speaker 1 (18:50):
It's it's but there are guys doing this all over
They are guys hitting on buddies, wives, There are socio
paths among us. They're all over the place. I mean,
they're just there's a lot of you know, I think
ninety nine percent of the people are good people, but
there are people that are. I mean, my wife sat
on a plane yesterday with somebody and she sat next
to a sociopath was screaming at people on the plane
(19:10):
because she touched his bag. No, like out of you know.
She's like, I'm not married to him, I don't know him,
like crazy town because somebody touched his bag. It was
a nice bag and just went ballistic on like airline workers.
There's there's people out there there they'll justify behavior, justify
(19:31):
criminal behavior, just because they feel they're important and they're hey,
it's no big deal for you. You see it all
over society. Thank god, it's a small Most people are
very decent. Most people would be gutted by this. But
what he's doing. I have seen pro athletes and entertainers
robbed by agents and allies my whole life. De Niro,
(19:53):
Billy Joel, Kevin Garnett, Tim Duncan, Kareem. You're smart guys,
people that know what they're doing, rob buy allies.
Speaker 3 (20:00):
Yeah. I think it's something to do with just entitlement.
For the first time in my life, Colin, I had
someone this week threaten to take me to court over
something and I said, I mean, this is it? Are
you speaking like English does just makes sense? Like people
are just crazy and just think they're entitled to do
a bunch of stuff. I was like, I don't. I
just I feel bad for a Tony. I don't know
(20:21):
how he's handling this.
Speaker 1 (20:22):
Yeah, JS, no, no, turn on the news.
Speaker 2 (20:26):
This is the herd Line news.
Speaker 3 (20:30):
Start with the Houston Texans blockbuster offseason, adding Stefan Diggs.
Remember they got to the playoff last year. CJ Stroud
went off. Uh, Now they're trying to build a contender.
While Hannah McNair, the wife of Cal McNair, saying, we
want to win. Now we've seen their win total spike.
Speaker 1 (20:51):
I was kind of I thought they'd pull back a little,
but they've made more great moves.
Speaker 3 (20:55):
No, they're going all in. I think they added this
is a great I think I saw eleven news bodies
to the team, just adding guys left and right before
the draft.
Speaker 1 (21:04):
Yeah remember last year, And you could go back and
find us archive because I'm sure it's somewhere. But we
had said, because we have a guy in the staff,
Greg that's from Houston Soon and I had said during
last year's offseason, I said, they're making a bunch of
really smart B to B plus moves Dalton Scholz. It's
not a Nate you didn't get Travis Kelcey, but very
productive tight end. And they just started adding guys and
(21:25):
you're like, god, this it's the Houston Texans. And then
their draft and you're like, oh, they hit a couple
of home runs. And this offseason again like it's people
don't win by osmosis or coincidence. Like the Houston Texans
now have a very sharp GM, a great coach, a
great coordinator, and a star quarterback. They're not doing it.
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It's not a matter of the AFC South being weak.
They hit on several key things. And the other thing
that jumps out to me with the Texans growth is
Nick Casario was in New England. Why were their draft
so damn bad for the last six years? He goes
to Houston and they're crushing it. It tells you that
Belichick you surp some of his power and had too
much of it. Well because New England was awful at
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the draft. Same guy leaves, go to Houston and they're
terrific in the draft.
Speaker 3 (22:13):
Okay, but and this will never know the answer to this,
But how much of it was just luck that c J.
Stroud fell to them and Carolina picked the wrong guy? Now,
if c J. Stroud goes to Carolina, I mean, but
it's I don't know.
Speaker 1 (22:26):
It's not luck because they also hit on the coordinator
and the coach and Tank Dell and Dalton Schultz. Luck
is powerball. This isn't luck.
Speaker 4 (22:37):
You know?
Speaker 1 (22:37):
Were they fortunate for they got c J. Stroud? But
the reason c J. Stroud then they also, by the way,
traded it up for will Anderson if you recall.
Speaker 3 (22:47):
And at the time people were like, you're trading up
for a defensive end and I think it was Arizona
had their pick and people were like, oh, Arizona's gonna
have to fuck five picnic I said that to myself,
it wasn't It didn't look like the smartest trade. What's interesting, Colin,
with all these new faces and bodies and strong personalities
Joe Mixon us on that list, Stefon Diggs, young quarterback,
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how is that soup gonna work? Is everything gonna go
together nicely? And that's a tall order for their young
head coach, Tamiko Ryan. That's a that's a very difficult one,
is it not.
Speaker 1 (23:18):
I think I felt like because they won their division,
I thought they would get a tougher schedule, and I
felt like, Okay, Herbert's gonna get a real coach, and
here comes Joe Burrow and the conference is going to
be better, Aaron Rodgers will be healthy. But boy, once again,
I watch what they're doing and I'm like, they just
got smart guys. I know there's a lot of people
(23:39):
out there that think success is luck. Houston has turned
around a shipwreck in the year and a half based
on smart people making really smart moves. Do you know
that they reached out to me. This is people that
do their homework. So I did an interview with Notre
Dame Safety Kyle Hamilton at my house because he was
on a podcast network. The Houston Texans saw it. Literally
(24:02):
reached out to me and they're like, hey, do you
got five minutes? What were your interpretations of them as
a human being this day? So I wrote him an
email on the strengths this is that. But I thought
to myself, they that's somebody that Now Baltimore went and
got him. But the Texans literally reached out and they
were like, you spent thirty five minutes with him, what
were your interpretation? They just wanted information from any source,
(24:23):
and I was like, that's real homework because I've had
people on this show. If I've had somebody, I had
a quarterback and I had somebody reach out and say
what was he like off the air when the TAMA
was not. That's just people seeking information. I like people
that do that in any business. Super hot take, cold
flin the division. I don't think that's a hot take.
I think Shane Steichen's great.
Speaker 3 (24:44):
I think that's where the betting that out is.
Speaker 1 (24:45):
Here's a hot take. That division's gonna end up being
much better than people think. Yeah, so that division was weak,
but I think Indy, I think Jacksonville now with Trevor Lawrence.
Speaker 3 (24:56):
Is healthy and Justine Jacksonville dank.
Speaker 1 (24:58):
No that that divisions no longer. It's don't confuse it
with the NFC side. Well, last year it was Bill's
and Dolphins in the AFC East.
Speaker 3 (25:05):
I think both will miss the playoffs this year. All right,
good luck with that super hot take.
Speaker 1 (25:08):
All right?
Speaker 3 (25:08):
Next up, JJ McCarthy jumping up draft boards leading up
to the draft. One NFL GM is not as impressed.
An anonymous GM told The Athletic, he hasn't seen the
positives that we're hearing about McCarthy now. The GM also
said McCarthy never had to carry Michigan and was driving
a damn Cadillac. Whatever that means.
Speaker 1 (25:29):
Well, he was, by the way, the best Cadillac on
the streets. Well you can say that about c J.
Stroud that I mean, I look at all the great
players he played with. At some point we think JJ
McCarthy's talented. I do not see what everybody else sees
in terms of like superstar, But what do I know.
I think there's two quarterbacks that feel different. Caleb Williams
would succeed almost anywhere, and I think Jaden Daniels is
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really good, really consistently good. After that, wherever whoever lands
in Minnesota has a strong likelihood whoever it is, they'll succeed.
Sean Payton gets a guy. I think Sean Payton and
Kevin O'Connell Denver and Minnesota, who they land has a
higher chance to succeed. But if they ended up with
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just an average coach or a defensive you know.
Speaker 3 (26:12):
My takeaway from that is, is it the athletic was
talking to a GM who's like over sixty five years old.
Because nobody references Cadillacs anymore. It's all about the Lambeau.
Speaker 1 (26:21):
The maclaria. That's a good point, the real car So
who are the oldest gms in the league.
Speaker 3 (26:25):
I'll siphon through that at the next commercial break and
the get back.
Speaker 1 (26:28):
That's a good call by you.
Speaker 3 (26:30):
Final story is the Vikings your favorite team in the league.
Next year, they lose Kirk Cousins to the Falcons and
they're sitting at eleventh in the draft. They have the
capital to move up, and their GM spoke about why
Minnesota sees plenty of great options in this quarterback class.
Speaker 6 (26:45):
There's multiple guys that we are in love with just
on an outright basis, but there's also other guys that
were in love with given what if we get them
at a certain value, what they'd also be able to
come with right, So, as I talked about earlier, the
skill set wise, if you're talking about the ability to
overcome content, well, if the guy's got less ability, but
we have assets to go get somebody who's not going
to put him in that situation. Those things add up too.
(27:06):
A lot of times evaluators is gonna be a little
one track mind. This is the guy and nobody else.
That's not how it's been. We've really come to appreciate
how guys get to their answer a different way, and
I think that's going to serve us well.
Speaker 3 (27:17):
I like what Minnesota's done. They move Remember they move
off Dalvin Cookie. Oh, Dalvin Cook top five running bout
what are they doing?
Speaker 1 (27:23):
By the way he kind of disappeared.
Speaker 2 (27:25):
It was a good timing.
Speaker 3 (27:26):
They move off Kirk Cousins, They dump Madison the other
the backup to Dalvin Cook. They know you can just
plug in a guy, ty Chandler whoever. I just I'm
not as excited about them as you are this season
going forward.
Speaker 1 (27:39):
Yes, but Minnesota, in my life, the Vikings have almost
never been awful. They don't have Green Bay's titles, but
they remind me a lot of Kansas City prima homes.
I always thought of them as a tough team, good
at home, so I grew up in the seventies. They
were great for years with Bud Grant, Purple people, Leader,
Ran Tarkin and Allen Page, Ama Rashad They I mean,
(28:01):
they were just great. They were always good.
Speaker 3 (28:04):
All I remember is Dante Colepepper, Randy Mawson team. Those
teams are nasty. Yeah, I think fifteen in one one.
Speaker 1 (28:10):
Like it's just one of those things where you know,
you look at Minnesota and everybody kind of I look
at him like the Kansas City Chiefs if Mahomes goes
to Kansas City or if Mahomes goes to Minnesota not
Kansas City. The Vikings run the league. I mean, the
ownership is solid. They've had really solid personnel moves. They
always have good players. I mean they they move off
Stevon Diggs, Justin Jefferson, Jordan Addison, Osborne, TJ. Hawkinson, Aaron Jones. Dude,
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they're off at the left, tackles the best young left town.
I always think Minnesota is full of smart people and
well run. It's just they haven't they haven't won the game.
Speaker 3 (28:45):
J Mack with the news, Well that's the news, and
thanks for stopping Dons the herd line.
Speaker 1 (28:51):
It's almost like, and I know, I go, I go
old school here, and it really bothers J Mack. But
when the Golden State Warriors got great, I'll give you
a great example. So I grew up in the seventies
is when I fell in love with sports. Well, the
Warriors were great. They had Rick Berry and Jeff Mullen
and Al Addles and Clifford Ray and I think Keith Wilkes.
(29:11):
I think I'm just the own guys out there. But
they were really, really good and it was an incredible
basketball city. And then they were bad forever, but the
city still loved the Warriors. So when you watch the
Warriors now, it's easy to say, oh, the fans are
bandwagon fans, but I always thought it was for years
in years, like Chicago, I go to watch the Bulls
(29:33):
twice in the last month, the place is sold out.
The team's not any good. Chicago's a very good I
grew up with the Bulls years and years and years
went in the seventies and they had like Bob Love
and they just Michael took a really good fan base
and it exploded for ten twelve years. And that's what
Steph Curry's done. But there are a lot of cities
out there that are great cities, but they've been poorly
(29:55):
owned or poorly run. And so you know, I mean,
like when you look at the Cleveland Browns, when have
they not love the NFL. Hey, b what my entire life?
The Browns have been one of the top five fan
bases in the league. They've had a lot of bad owners,
it's not their fault.
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Speaker 1 (31:36):
So outside of the NFL, every sport in America is
overwhelmingly dependent on who is winning. In college football. Michigan
got really great last year. Michigan has a massive national
fan base. The ratings went up the Big Ten this year,
adding Washington and USC and Oregon Popular Programs UCLA ratings
(32:00):
for the Big Ten. The people upstairs are indicating it'll
pop fifteen to twenty percent Texas Oklahoma to the SEC
will help the numbers, you know. I mean Serena is
hard to replace, Roger Feder hard to replace, John McEnroe
hard to replace. So almost all sports outside of maybe
in England the English Premier League, they're gonna watch Liverpool regardless.
(32:23):
And in the NFL, we watch the NFL regardless. But
in the NBA, we were just talking during the break,
what if the Warriors and Lakers both don't get in
Steph ad Lebron, Draymond Green, villains are not those are
big names in the West. People don't know Okac yet.
Now Okay C's were too good, but people don't really
follow Karl Anthony Towns and Rudy Gobart and Edwards like
(32:48):
Steph and Lebron. That's why it's really important that the
Knicks with Jalen Brunson are playing great basketball. Like it's
really important for the NBA because after Boston, Milwaukee's not
it's not having a number and so it's interesting to
me this weekend you're getting into a situation that play
in tournament. I mean, if Lebron gets launched out in
(33:08):
Steph Curry, now I tend to believe the Warriors are
more valuable than Lebron at this point because I think
the Warriors style of play. They've got the beloved Steph
Curry and the villain Draymond, So I think I don't
think Lebron's necessarily a villain anymore, but Ad is not.
You know, he's not driving a number. I do think
(33:30):
if the Warriors get bounced in the playoffs, it is
bad for the NBA. If the Lakers get bounced and
the Warriors make us surge, don't kid yourself. Steph Curry,
to me, drives a bigger rating than anybody in the sport,
any franchise, any player, including Lebron. It's driven by Steph Curry.
His style of play is more fun than Lebron, you know,
taking wild shot. It's like Caitlin Clark at Iowa. It's
(33:52):
nothing against Iowa Women's college basketball. Caitlin Clark drove those numbers.
Her game's got huge numbers, and then the game that
followed right after got huge numbers. You take Caitlin out,
it's not the same TV ratings. So it's interesting. At
the end of the year, you got everybody in the
league playing tonight and Sunday, it does matter who gets
into these NBA playoffs. By the way, speaking to Karl
(34:14):
Anthony Towns and the New York Knicks, so we know
that all stars are not the same in the NBA.
So the timber Wolves, Carl Anthony Towns is coming back,
he's been hurt. They're actually a better team statistically when
he was out. They play faster, they hit more threes.
Minnesota offensively was a better team. Look at these numbers.
(34:35):
Look at these numbers without cat points per game, assists
per game, fast break points, especially fast break points. They're
a faster team without Karl Anthony Towns. What does this
mean teams like the Warriors and Knicks that are looking
for a big who can score. Minnesota is looking at
this thinking, we already got a big. This is an
(34:57):
Ant Edwards team. We can move off this. We are
fight in a weird way. The injury has let Minnesota
get a real view of this club without their second big.
My take is they'll move off if the Knickson, Warriors
or somebody calls. Julius Randall's also interesting. So he's out
and the Knicks have been great without him. And so
(35:19):
if you look at Julius Randall, his price tag and
what he historically has done in the playoffs. He disappears
in the playoffs. He's a guy that plays with heavy,
heavy effort, big minutes, heavy effort. That's great for the
regular season, but if you go look at his playoff
career average, he's a very average player. Seventeen a game,
thirty four percent from the floor, too many turnovers. So
(35:43):
the Knicks similarly, Julius Randall has a market, Karl Anthony
Towns has a market. But both the Knicks and the
tee Wolves have gotten a little bit of a break.
They have watched their team without really good players who
they're probably privately wondering about moving, and their teams are
(36:04):
fine without him. The Knicks now run more of their
place through Jalen Brunson. He's on fire, He's great. I mean,
Luca got in the way of him. It looks like
Julius Randall a little bit gets in the way of
Jalen Brunson. So Luca and jaln So I'm watching Jalen
Brunson last night, and I've watched him live here recently.
This kid is next to you and he's to me.
(36:25):
He is the Knicks. This is the best Knick star
in a long time. So Carl Anthony Towns leaves Minnesota,
they actually play at a faster pace. They're a little
better offensively. Julius Randall leaves the Knicks. You think you
lose this and that and this, But in the playoffs
there's an argument they'll be less reliant on him, won't
have to create shots for him, and there'll be more
Jalen Brunson's team. So just things to think about. I
(36:49):
don't know. I think Carl Anthony Towns and Julius Randall especial,
especially Carl Anthony Towns. There are teams out there that
need a twenty point a game, twenty two point a
game Big Warrior Knicks do among others. All right, Tom
Brady said on a podcast, jamac is down playing it.
(37:09):
But I do think certain athletes, when they become like
cottage industries, they're strategic. They put stuff out there, Lebron,
I've seen do it. I've seen Brady do it. It's
not a bad thing. They put stuff out there. So
Brady put it out there on a podcast. Hey, if
if somebody calls, all take the call. Well he wouldn't
say it twice. Tom's no dummy. He wouldn't say it twice.
(37:34):
He's looking around at Joe Flacco and thinking anyway. Eric Mangini,
who coached around Brady for years, his thoughts on what
Tom said.
Speaker 5 (37:43):
The fact that he's putting it out there that he
could do it, He'll be ready to do it.
Speaker 4 (37:47):
He'll be open to do it.
Speaker 5 (37:49):
To me, that's that's about as clear a message as
he can send to any team that's interested that he's
he's he's ready, and you know he's got to be
sitting there watching Joe Flack last year and think, I
can do this, and I can do this at a
really high level, and I've got an opportunity to maybe
go win another Super Bowl if I get if I
get with the right team. And the thing that people
(38:11):
forget about Thomas, it was never about mobility with him.
That was the last thing that was known in terms
of his game. So as he gets older, that's never
been something that's hurt the way that he's been able
to produce.
Speaker 1 (38:24):
Do you think the league's better with Brady in it
next year? I do. I think it's more fascinating. I
think we're in the story business. He goes to a
Minnesota or San Francisco. Are you kidding me?
Speaker 3 (38:36):
Okay, I'm not going to answer that, but let me
push back on this. If he's not opposed to a
late season return, why didn't he call the Jets when
Aaron Rodgers went down?
Speaker 1 (38:44):
Because he doesn't want to play with a team with
a defensive coach and a terrible old line. That's a
terrible place to go. There is an absolute truth. Old
quarterbacks need good old lines, which why the Niners, to me,
is not the best fit. It would be Jared Goff
goes down Detroit, Kirk Cousins get hurt Atlanta. Those are
great old lines.
Speaker 3 (39:04):
Wait a minute, Atlanta had no quarterback last year anyway,
Why didn't he just go there.
Speaker 1 (39:08):
Because it wasn't his first choice? Maybe he's waiting for
the Niners. Jets is a bad old line?
Speaker 3 (39:15):
Well it was bad, it's now better. Morgan Moses at
Tyron Smith. Let me as they get the guard from Baltimore,
they're gonna draft the guy.
Speaker 1 (39:22):
Ok it's gonna on this show. Had you ever mentioned
Morgan Moses before this?
Speaker 3 (39:27):
We often don't talk right tackles, but sometimes I like
to get in the trenches. Colin. No, No, actually, we
do talk tackles during the gambling NFL season. You know,
offensive line matters.
Speaker 1 (39:37):
We love Lane Johnson for the record, Lane, we loved.
Speaker 3 (39:39):
Yet just for the record, Jets have the best roster
in the AFC East and that's undeniable. You cannot even
push back against that. Let's see that. I don't want
to take you all over the place.
Speaker 1 (39:52):
I do not want to take the audience through this nonsense.
Speaker 3 (39:55):
But you'll talk seventies NBA with them, right, Okay.
Speaker 1 (39:58):
You can't tell me that America isn't riveted when I
bring up Jack Sikma. You can't.
Speaker 3 (40:04):
I know Jack Sikma because he played the eighties. I
know a little bit eighties.
Speaker 1 (40:07):
Yeah, okay, did seventies NBA just didn't have a dynasty.
But it's when the NBA was reborn.
Speaker 3 (40:14):
Didn't have a dynasty. Did they have a TV deal?
Let me be bro Come on, geez.
Speaker 1 (40:20):
You know you forget you think the seventies. You know
the seventies and today has a lot. Peanut butter and
jelly sandwiches were great then, they're great now. We didn't
have FaceTime, the distractions, all the silly apps. It was
the same place. You loved your kids, You got to work.
Speaker 3 (40:37):
Listening curtain a little bit here. You're a big FaceTime guy.
Every time I'm hanging out with you, you're on Facebook.
Speaker 1 (40:43):
FaceTime is the greatest invention outside of the television.
Speaker 3 (40:46):
Kid here, that's not good.
Speaker 1 (40:47):
It's a little distracting, but it's the second best invention
of my life to television. I'm I'm not talking medical inventions.
I'm saying tech that we use. I don't need zoom.
I can live without zoom. You're conditioning, well again, I
I've never lived in Mobile, Alabama.
Speaker 3 (41:02):
I'm not.
Speaker 1 (41:02):
You know I did. They're yes, air conditioning made the
South more viable with factories. Arizona's livable. Yes, yes, I
know that.
Speaker 3 (41:10):
Well Arizona. I thought we said yeah.
Speaker 1 (41:12):
I mean no, No, I'm not. I'm not in my
life and in my reality TV FaceTime is that? What's
that fast time number two
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