April 12, 2024 • 41 mins
Colin talks about the Celtics taking their foot off the gas after clinching the best record in the league for the regular season and why there's no reason for concern
He loves the idea of a Tom Brady comeback and makes the case he would still be an elite QB if he returned to the NFL
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Speaker 1 (00:25):
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I've wondered for years why people don't put big brand
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spring games on national TV. Ohio States will be on
a team that probably I think should win the national championship.
Jmac this is exciting. The Masters, Price and shamboneho the top,
and they got the NBA Playoffs, all that positioning, we
got the draft, all sorts of things. Rumblings happening there,
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Minnesota moving up. Maybe not for JJ McCarthy.
Speaker 3 (01:11):
Yeah, Hey, by the way, you're aware of Bryson Deshambo's
amazing nickname, right, Bryson disham swole because he's so.
Speaker 2 (01:19):
Jacked and all he does is live weights. It's a
great nickname.
Speaker 1 (01:24):
Seventeen pieces of bacon for breakfast. I'm in, I guess.
So the Boston Celtics wrapped up the best record in
the April NBA. The Celtics wrapped up the best record
in the NBA April third. The playoffs don't start until
April twentieth, so they're not the most focused team right now.
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But Charles Barkley last night as they were getting dragged
by the Knicks, would not have it.
Speaker 4 (01:52):
Were they gonna play like that, they shouldn't play. I'm
gonna tell you something happened to me when I was
in the playoffs one year, made it to the finals.
We had the best record of the NBA, and we
shut it down the last two weeks of the season.
We lost the first two games at home to the Lakers,
and like I've always said to myself, they had nothing
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to do with I'm losing to the Bulls and the finals,
but I'm saying I regreted to this day. They're like, yo, man,
you played to the end of the season. I know
they gonna finish with the best record, but man, you
just can't turn it off and turn it on.
Speaker 1 (02:28):
Maybe that used to be the case, but the NBA
has changed. And here's one of the things that's become
noticeable over the last three years four years. J McK
and I, I think you've touched on this. The three
point shot not only rules the world, but if you're
an offensively gifted team Golden State, OKC to me, Boston,
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you can play poorly and have a big fourth quarter
surge of threes. Now that five out of five starters
can hit, it's a life raft on bad nights, So
teams like Boston can mail it in, get out played,
and have a five minute run late third quarter and
end up blowing out a team by double digits. That
wasn't the way it was in Barkley's day or Shacks day.
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The Lakers may have had one three point shooter, maybe
two a kobea Derek Fisher or in Barkley's day he
could hit a three pointer, maybe Cage Kevin Johnson could.
But it's different. Now teams go on these massive runs.
I mean, we had an NBA team with Kevin Durant
and Booker on it that trailed thirty four to five
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at home this week. You regularly see in the NBA
a team down twenty early and they win by ten late.
It happens all the time. By the way, I love Shack,
but he was perpetually distracted, and Barkley was not known
for laser focus either. Michael Jordan had criticized him to
his face and behind his back, saying, you're just too distracted,
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You're not committed enough. So the Boston Celtics led the
NBA and blowouts. They were thirty nine and eleven against
the East. This is human nature. They take their foot
off the gas. It happens all the time, and it
happens all the time in the NBA. Now, so when
I look at Boston, my issues with Boston aren't aren't
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because the top five or six teams in the NBA
are a mile ahead of the bottom ten. This is
not the NFL where you may have Carolina's really awful
and maybe one other team's a mass. In the NBA,
ten teams at the bottom cannot compete with the six
teams at the top. It's not even the rosters aren't
close and so my takeaway is in the three point
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world we live in, when you wrap the best record
up seventeen days before the playoffs, it's not like the
Knicks are a bad team. The Knicks are a playoff
team frankly better since Julius Randall got hurt, they're better.
And so I get it, And I don't think it's
a lack of care. I think it's a reality of
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the three point shot. If you're offensively gifted, you can
fall asleep, come back in the third quarter a four
minute run. You see runs in the NBA now, and
not only do you see twenty to four runs, they
happen in three minutes. I'm at the Laker game the
other night. J McK and I are Lakers Warriors. Warriors
had four shot possessions, they come back with twelve points.
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It's a minute and a half. Didn't used to happen,
all right? The masters And by the way, golf is
a very very insular sport, right, but the truth about
golfers is they watch more golf when Tiger Woods was rolling.
Is that all sports could be, you know, f one
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racing overseas, it's women's basketball. Personality is better for your
social life, your country club. Everybody needs a little personality.
Bryson de Shambo lead Scottie Scheffler at the Masters by one. Now,
Scheffler's your classic golf purist favorite. Doesn't ruffle any feathers,
got a nice game, pretty quiet, Bryson de Shambo. J
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Mack just told us Bryson de Shambo's nickname.
Speaker 2 (06:16):
Is des sham Swool.
Speaker 1 (06:20):
Okay, amazing. He used to have these. Maybe he still
does protein shake breakfast, seventeen pieces a bacon. He's a
villain to some. Tiger Woods was a villain. He would
swear throw a club. Golf was more interesting. And by
the way, Brooks Koepka, Dustin Johnson, Bryceon de Shambo, Patrick Reid,
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their personalities. They've all joined the Live Tour, and so
you get them at a major. But you know, she
don't get him on the tour as much. And the
tour's more bland than ever, more vanilla than ever. So
I gotta be honest with you. My initial reaction with
Deshambo was he's over the top. But now that these
big swing guys and the personality guys have gone to
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the Live tour, pech is boring all the time. I'm
not going to just watch because of a golf course.
Nothing against Augusta or Pebble Beach, but it's the golfer
and the personality that brings me in, not the putting
green and the shamble acknowledges. He's not for everybody.
Speaker 5 (07:23):
I'm a very passionate individual, and some people can take
that in a pretty negative way. Others can take it
in a way of while he's trying to pave a
pathway in his own path. I think that's a pretty
big misconception, is that you know I'm divisive. I'm really not.
I don't try to be. It may come off that
way because I'm passionate about certain things and certain subjects.
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That's up for interpretation and opinion, but and look, I
respect everybody's opinion what they think. I have no no issues,
and I understand that the pathway that I that I
pave is can be viewed in multiple ways.
Speaker 3 (08:00):
You know.
Speaker 1 (08:00):
When a lot of these big hitters, and I like
watching Brooks Koepka, He's my favorite current golfer. I like
Phil Mickelson. Well, can I say maybe I'm a casual?
I like Phil mckleson. If Phil Mickelson Sunday was in
the final group. I'm watching if de Shambo is, I'm
watching if Scheffler is leads by seven strokes entering Sunday. Yeah, whatever,
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he's great golfer. I mean, golf can make Major League
Baseball at cutting edge. And they always push back on
this stuff. But the thing about Bryce and to Shambo,
he makes you feel something. Politicians often win elections when
they're not qualified. They make you feel something that's really important.
Caitlin Clark, by the way, sort of made a lot
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of Americans feel something, like they roll along for the ride.
Midwest Girl, Hustler, underdog wasn't just hitting shots. A lot
of people make shots in college basketball, men's and women's.
Caitlin Clark made you feel something. Now, you don't have
to be a villain to create that, but that is
often the case. Michael Jordan made us feel cool. Lebron
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James sometimes makes people angry. He talks race and politics.
Whatever it is. I'm for it now. Maybe I'm a sportscaster,
I'm a golf casual. But I'm telling you, since all
the big hitters left and golf said good riddance, PG
is not as interesting the numbers prove it. Rice and De'shambeau,
Dustin Johnson not a huge fan of Patrick Red. You
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get villains. I don't have to love all of them,
but I wish I got more Brooks Kopka. I wish
I did. He's more interesting. I root for interesting, not
being a hipocrite. I've said that forever. And I know
golf guy at the golf club somewhere in Florida's looking
at me shaking his fist in Arizona, Vegas, pure golfers.
But you know what, Tiger Woods made a lot of
guys rich on that tour. He made a lot of
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guys rich J. Mack tom Brady said yesterday he may
still play, and people kind of freaked out. It was
funny listen to people. People are either in the camp
of I mean, just just stay retired, which, by the way,
I think you and I have talked about this. If
you do something that's fun for a living. You're a magician,
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you're a talk show host, you play athletics, you do
something that would be viewed as fun. I don't get retirement.
I get it. If you're in a lug nut factory,
you lift things, you're in a dangerous job. You're in
an oil Derek Oh, I totally get that. Your shoulders
are shot, your back is bad, it's hard physical labor.
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You want to go play golf. I totally get it.
But when you're in a job and you're lucky that
you found your love six seven, eight, nine years old,
built a career up, retired to what bridge?
Speaker 6 (10:45):
What oh?
Speaker 1 (10:45):
Shuffleboard action, no backgammon all day? My take is I'm
Tom Brady. I was great two years ago. PFF had
me as like the third highest graded quarterback above back
and Kirk Cousins above Justin Herbert. If you got a
call from Minute Minesota, Donald goes down first week, Justin Jefferson,
Jordan Addison.
Speaker 3 (11:04):
Wait, I thought that Minnesota was getting JJ McCarthy went
to Michigan.
Speaker 1 (11:09):
If Donald got banged up in camp, Kevin O'Connell, de Tall,
Sean McVay, caulled. I'm just saying you wouldn't take the call,
not saying you go to Carolina.
Speaker 3 (11:20):
What's well, What's Carolina is more beautiful in the winter
than minsitarires.
Speaker 1 (11:24):
Minnesota plays in doors, damn it.
Speaker 7 (11:28):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (11:29):
That's a tough one for TV. We'll talk about that Man,
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Speaker 1 (11:40):
By the way, not just in sports, but all the time,
successful people, men and women in America retire, get bored,
and then start another company or go back to work.
It happens all the time. Retirement is overrated for people
who love their work and people that are good at
their the longer you do something, especially if later in
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your career you can surround yourself with young, smart techie
people who can keep you current. You know. So Tom
Brady surrounds himself write nutritionists, longevity people. He's a fitness freak.
So on a recent podcast, Tom said, yeah, I think
I'd take a call if somebody called and asked for
my services.
Speaker 2 (12:25):
Let's say one day it is a situation, right, Maybe
it's the forty nine ers. Maybe you know, head to
the playoffs. Offense is great, God forbid, somebody goes down.
Would you pick up that phone. I'm not opposed to it.
Speaker 7 (12:37):
If they would, I don't know if they're gonna let
me if I become an owner and the NFL team,
but I don't know.
Speaker 2 (12:41):
If I don't know, I'm always going to be a
good shape. I always be able to throw the ball.
Speaker 7 (12:45):
So to come in for a little bit like MJ
coming back, I don't know if they let me, but
I wouldn't be opposed to.
Speaker 1 (12:52):
It, all right, So he would have been. Tom would
have been the number one free agent quarterback this year.
Russell will some tiny, tiny market tiny. Basically, Steelers said
you're free, will take you. And Kirk Cousins is off
an achille surgery. Tom would have been more interesting. So
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if you're great at something, a fitness freak, this isn't
Drew Brees. Where Drew Brees acknowledges he can't lift his
right arm above his shoulder anymore. When he plays with
his kids, he throws with his left hand. Let's just
say the Minnesota Vikings call Sam darnold slight injury, and
whoever they draft at quarterback is not ready to play
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in that division with the Packers offense, the Bears with
Caleb Williams, and the Vikings like their team. They're off
to a they're off to a a three and one start.
Look at what they would have Kevin O'Connell, the tall
Sean McVay, head coach, Brady, top five running back, Aaron Jones,
best receiver probably in the league, Justin Jefferson, an excellent
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to Jordan Addison Hawkinson tight end, and maybe the best
young left tackle probably in the sport, Christian Dearsaw. Seven
elite people, including the head coach, who's more gifted in
the NFL offensively. Maybe San Francisco is certainly not at
quarterback than that nobody. I mean, Detroit's good, San Francisco's
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pretty good. They're not that. And by the way, Brady's
last year in Tampa forty seven hundred yards, five game
winning drives, sixty seven percent completion percentage, with no run game,
no run game. They were last place led the NFL
in attempts and completions. So it's different than Dan Marino.
His knees were shot, Drew Brees right arm was shot,
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Peyton Manning physically shot. That's not what we have here.
We have a quarterback for a variety of reasons that
just sort of said, yeah, the Tampa thing's getting murky.
I'm out. I mean, just think about this. Joe Flacco
had not started a full Seaton, had not been a
starter for a full s season since twenty seventeen and
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is not the physical workout freak of Brady goes to
the AFC North tougher division, tougher conference than Tom Brady did,
and he leads Cleveland to the playoffs. And Brady's all
in on this longevity stuff. Brady's in on this pliability stuff.
I don't think it's crazy. I'm not going to get
into Tom broadcasting to I don't know what happens, but
I'm just saying if Minnesota called, what if Jared Goff
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went down? The Lions are not drafting, the Lions are
not drafting a quarterback. I would suppose early Jared Goff
goes down with that offensive line, those weapons. You don't
think Ben Johnson would say, you know, if we thought
about Colin Brady last year, over fifty quarterbacks pay played,
and you're Detroit. You feel like you've got a young
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roster that you're not paying big money to this year
or next. You got about a two year window in
Detroit before you gotta pay all these guys. Tom Brady
goes I'll come in on the chief. You don't think
Tom Brady I'm not saying right now, he's as vibrant
as Jared Goff. But the GAP's not that big, is it?
So some of these teams, like I get not building
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around him, but a phone call swoop in Parachute in
Vikings Lions. I mean Brady chose Tampa why because all
they needed was a right tackle and a receiver growing
that he could trust. I mean that was kind of it, right.
They got that. He went and got Leudy Furnett. The
roster was there, the division was winnable. It's something J
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McK with a.
Speaker 2 (16:35):
News no, no, no, turn on the news. This is
the herd Line news.
Speaker 3 (16:42):
NFL Draft less than two weeks away. Only three of
the top quarterbacks will be at the draft. This is
I don't know something, nothing, but Kayleb Williams will be there,
Drake May will be there, Jayden Daniels will as well.
Speaker 2 (16:54):
No word on JJ McCarthy. I don't know what that means.
Speaker 3 (16:56):
Maybe it means nothing, maybe he rejected them.
Speaker 2 (16:59):
But only the top three quarterbacks will be there.
Speaker 3 (17:02):
The top receiver prospects, Marvin Harrison, Leakueighbors, Rome of Doonda
they will also be there. Here is the full list
on screen of players who will be at the draft.
Brian Thomas, the LSU receiver might be a little under
moocked if you've looked at mock drafts lately and you've
got some cornerbacks, one edge rusher.
Speaker 1 (17:20):
I mean, interestingly, it's a very technically two offensive heavy draft.
It's a great offensive tackle draft, maybe the best ever.
It's a strong quarterback draft. It's a very good receiver draft,
and there's a couple of good edge rushers. It's not
a defensive draft.
Speaker 2 (17:36):
Yeah, it's a good draft.
Speaker 1 (17:38):
By the way, first four rounds a lot of really
high end NFL players. My guys say it drops off
heavy about mid fifth, mid fifth round gets kind of.
Speaker 2 (17:46):
Junkie right where Pooka Nicol win.
Speaker 1 (17:49):
Yeah, but fifth mid fifth round, it's it's it's not
real salty. But up to that point, it's a really
above average draft. It's an excellent, excellent first fifty pick draft.
Speaker 3 (18:01):
So any thoughts on JJ McCarthy not being there, I mean,
it's gonna be a well, it's not gonna be weird
if he goes fourth or fifth, which I don't think
is happening.
Speaker 2 (18:10):
It's just a little odd that he's not there.
Speaker 1 (18:12):
But well, are you saying it's rigged I'm not saying anything.
Speaker 2 (18:16):
I am curious.
Speaker 3 (18:19):
Maybe McCarthy said, I don't know, it's possible that he
said no, thank you to the invite.
Speaker 2 (18:23):
Ill you know, there's a lot of options.
Speaker 1 (18:25):
Maybe he well also the Straight Show the list, again,
I didn't see a bow next or a Michael Pennox.
Even so, so JJ McCarthy grades closer to those players.
I mean, these guys are absolutely getting draft drafted in
the first round. Like I I, there's like the people
that could fall. Let's say Drake May falls. He's not
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falling out of the top twelve, but you I could
see Jay, I could see absolutely the Vikings move up
for Jaden Daniels when New England doesn't take a quarterback.
Speaker 2 (18:59):
If that doesn't take when.
Speaker 1 (19:02):
There's a lot of discussions going on right now.
Speaker 6 (19:04):
All right.
Speaker 3 (19:05):
Sticking to the NFL, Josh Allen, the Bills, you know,
they've been Super Bowl contenders for years, haven't been able
to get over that hump and get by Kansas City.
Speaker 2 (19:13):
They've lost some big pieces this offseason.
Speaker 3 (19:15):
But Tom Brady, who's in the news a lot this week,
Tom Brady was asked which quarterback he thinks will win
his first Super Bowl next and that's Josh Allen. Now,
I'd love to get Tom Brady on that couch and
hear him say that, because Colin, you and I think
the ship has sailed.
Speaker 2 (19:31):
The windows closed for Buffalo. I said that, I don't think.
Speaker 1 (19:35):
I don't think it's closed, but I don't think they're
going to be as good next year. Your super Bowl
windows never closed. When you have a top three quarterback
in the league, I don't think it's ever closed. I
think Mahomes Josh Allen are the two best quarterbacks in
the league. I think Joe Burrow, when healthy, is in
that class. So I think Burrow, Mahomes, and Allen are
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always in the Super Bowl bubble. I do not believe
Buffalo's has good this year, and I believe Kansas City,
because their young deep again defense will get better, will
be better. They'll also have to be better at wide receiver.
They'll draft somebody. So I don't know what the Rashi
Rice situation is. They may go back to the drawing
board at wide receiver. That's kind of kind of have
to that's kind of a.
Speaker 2 (20:17):
The Josh Allen thing is is interesting.
Speaker 3 (20:19):
So if you look at the Kansas City structure, Andy
Reid was always at the top of the pyramid.
Speaker 2 (20:24):
There was no disputing that.
Speaker 3 (20:25):
He had his lieutenants leave and some of them have
come back, right Naggi and some of these other guys
in Buffalo. They lose Dable and then they lose Shane.
Both are now with the Giants. You could make an argument,
a credible argument, that Brian Dable was more of the
GM what mattered more to that team than the head coach.
Speaker 2 (20:43):
Did Nick Well, And I know the people will push back,
and that's fine.
Speaker 1 (20:46):
I'll push back because they they got to the playoffs
before Dable, and they got to the playoffs after he left.
Speaker 2 (20:51):
But when was their best run?
Speaker 1 (20:53):
Well, no, no, I'm not saying Dabele wasn't the icing on
the cake. And I love Drying. But this is like
the KD argument one pre KD Steph won post KD.
Steph was the soul of the Warriors even when KD
was there. He was the best shot maker on many
nights they won. They got to the playoffs pre and
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post Dable. Now Dable made them better. KD to the Warriors.
When the Warriors win pre and post KD, Steph is
the soul of the franchise. The soul of this franchise
is not a coach, it's Josh Allen's the soul of
the franchise.
Speaker 2 (21:27):
Correct.
Speaker 3 (21:27):
But when Josh Allen was at his height with Dabel,
he was on the rookie contract.
Speaker 1 (21:31):
He was on yes, So there's two things there. He
was on his rookie contract and had a great OC.
Now he's got okoc's and he's expensive. There's some of
that is and I think the Chargers did this. The
Chargers and the Bills wasted opportunities when they had gifted
quarterbacks on the Chief.
Speaker 2 (21:50):
They didn't waste them, they just didn't deliver.
Speaker 1 (21:52):
I mean Kansas City did. And that's generally the way
it works. There's four or five teams that have this
shot and the Chief so the one that took advantage
of but left now no, Well, San Francisco and Purty
perty's not in that class, but San Francisco last couple
of years has gotten there with Purty and he can't deliver.
Speaker 3 (22:09):
Well, I'm not gonna relitigate Rock Purty super Bowl and
how they merely and should have won it. But again,
when you look at Josh Allen and the Bills, Colin
he was cheap.
Speaker 2 (22:18):
They had an awesome, incredible supporting cast.
Speaker 3 (22:21):
That roster is greatly diminished, from the offensive line to
the Defensi've lost I think five or six starters, including
Jefon Diggs. This seems not going to be remotely as
good as they were last year, not even close. And
now you got the Jets and they're stacked roster breathing
down their necks. Miami probably gonna stick around.
Speaker 2 (22:38):
Colin. I'm just I don't you know. Again, Tom Brady's
now a teammate here.
Speaker 3 (22:42):
I would love to hear him explain why he thinks
Josh Allen in this argument.
Speaker 2 (22:46):
Oh well, hey, Josh Allen's one of the top three
quarterbacks in the league.
Speaker 3 (22:49):
That doesn't hold water. Man, You're not winning the super
Bowl just because of Josh Allen. You need the coach,
you need weapons, you need defense. I don't think he
has any of that. Final story Lakers and Warriors to
be on a collision course for the nine to ten
play in that was this is so bad.
Speaker 1 (23:05):
For the Lakers, So right now, explain what's going on
here in the West.
Speaker 3 (23:08):
It's not so there's a three way tie after the
King's loss last night, Kings Lakers Warriors, and of course
the Lakers lose the tiebreaker with both of.
Speaker 1 (23:16):
Them, so the Lakers now have to win.
Speaker 2 (23:19):
As of today, they have to win twice on the road.
Speaker 3 (23:22):
I believe as of now now things could change bending
on the final two games. But here's the real story,
Draymond greet, your friend is confident that Golden State would
have no problem with the Lakers and the plane.
Speaker 6 (23:36):
I am very confident, you know, if we play them
in the play in situation that we can win, that
we will win. And saying that, you know, anytime you're
playing against ad and Brown in the one game situation stuff,
because you know, you just they're always more than capable
of putting a great night together, and it's more likely
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in a one game situation that they're going to put
a great night together in a bad neck.
Speaker 2 (24:05):
So it's always tough.
Speaker 6 (24:07):
Nonetheless, that is where we are, and I have total
confidence that we can take advantage of some things that
they do and win the game.
Speaker 4 (24:15):
If that is the case.
Speaker 1 (24:16):
I always think it's hard though, because the last time
they will have played Warriors blew them out in lad
That's right. So now it's like when Phoenix got dogged
by the Clippers. The next night they go into LA
and beat the Clippers. So the last time these two
teams played, Lakers stunk. The rotations were bad by the coach,
there's no ad, they couldn't hit shots, and the Warriors
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were on fire. I would take in a one game,
I would take the Lakers.
Speaker 2 (24:41):
I would agree.
Speaker 3 (24:41):
I just want to go back to last year's Lakers
Warriors series for a second. Lakers total control of that series.
Remember they went in Game one on the road in
Golden State.
Speaker 1 (24:50):
Their size is a huge issue and the Warriors are
not going to shoot like that the next time they
play them.
Speaker 2 (24:54):
Are the Warriors better than they were last year?
Speaker 1 (24:57):
It's a lot of the same. I think cominga's more.
I think kaminga is more productive, but I think it's
the same issues. The straints are the same, the issues
are the same. Pods has been a really nice additions.
Speaker 2 (25:11):
Playing well.
Speaker 6 (25:12):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (25:12):
Now I think they're slightly better because of Pods and
the energy it gives them another good shooter. So I
think they're a better version of last year. But I
think the West is better than that.
Speaker 3 (25:20):
Okay, and now the Lakers. Are they better or worse
or same than last year?
Speaker 1 (25:27):
Well, they made it to the conference finals last year,
so I think they're about the same. I think it's
the same player. Well, I think d LOO is playing better,
but I think Lebron ad and Austin Reeves feel like
the same guys. Dlo's playing much better. So Lakers slightly better,
Warriors better because they haven't energized COMINGA and Pods. Yeah,
I think they're both better, but I think the West
is way better. I think Minnesota's better. OKC is better.
Speaker 2 (25:48):
So I think tonight is one of the biggest nights.
Speaker 3 (25:50):
I almost want to say every team in the league
is in action Tony tonight. It's a big NBA night,
and you're gonna there's so many swings in the East
end West that could happen tonight based on the game.
Speaker 2 (25:59):
So start your weekend with some NBA.
Speaker 1 (26:01):
So you would start, I would bet, you know, I
bet two NBA games this year. I think on DraftKings,
I'm too. Oh, if the Warriors Lakers played, I would
take the Lakers. That's a betable game. They're just what
you did last time. You played. Matters a lot in
this league with veteran players.
Speaker 2 (26:17):
So the other game would be suns King.
Speaker 1 (26:19):
I'd stay away from that, and then nobody. I can't
figure this out.
Speaker 2 (26:24):
But here's the thing. The Lakers would have to beat
the Warriors and then the Kings, and they have.
Speaker 3 (26:29):
I think they're oh to nine the last nine times
Ad has faced the bonus oh and nine.
Speaker 1 (26:35):
I know it's weird, uh J Mack with the news.
Speaker 2 (26:39):
Well that's the news, and thanks for stopping by the
herd line.
Speaker 1 (26:43):
I think all thirty NBA teams are in action tonight
and and Sunday. That's good scheduling. So they put it
out there, like the NFL moves the division game to
the last couple of weeks of the year, so you're
gonna have your Cowboys Eagles playing later in the year,
and your Cowboys Giants and your Ravens Bengals. The NFL
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has smartly moved, you know, the big games to the
end of the year. Some are in consequential, some matter
a lot. So the NBA has stacked the end of
the season last couple the last weekend, Tonight and Sunday.
Everybody plays, so there's gonna be you gotta forcing you
youd all this playing stuff. Seeding's gonna change. So I
would say you and I agree on this, Jmac. The
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biggest disappointment in the year for both of us is Phoenix.
You have been more accurate on Dallas and yeah, that's it. Yeah,
you've been a little hotter on Dallas than me, But
we both think Phoenix is the disappointment of the season.
Speaker 2 (27:44):
Yeah, and you had him.
Speaker 1 (27:45):
Winning the championship and I had him in the Western
Conference finals. So I kind of feel like that when
I missed.
Speaker 2 (27:50):
On Yeah, but a lot of people did.
Speaker 3 (27:52):
By the way, MAV's quick number I just saw here
with Kyrie Irving thirty nine and eleven, without Kyrie Irving
eleven and eleven.
Speaker 1 (28:00):
No, he's a great player.
Speaker 2 (28:02):
Are you playing way way better with that?
Speaker 1 (28:04):
Kyrie has two careers, the two years he was focused
with Lebron and this year with Luca. There's that Kyrie.
He's unbelievable. Then there's the Brooklyn Kyrie, the pre Lebron
Cleveland Kyrie, the Celtic Kyrie, and the first year last
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year Kyrie with Luca and it was a lot of turbulence.
But but he's had about a two and a half
year stretch. Two years with Lebron, he was absolutely unbelievable.
They go to Golden State and win a game seventh.
That team was that he was great, and then I
think it's fair to say that this year, especially All
Star break on, he's been fantastic when he's focused. There's
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a little Aaron Rodgers thing here. When Aaron's not talking
about you know, conspiracy stuff and doing his whole thing
and just stays on football, and Aaron's great, but he
can get distracted and you have to answer to it.
And Aaron thinks everybody's out to get him, and nobody cares.
He just says stuff, We report stuff. Nobody's lying away
a getting night in the media worrying about Aaron Rodgers.
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It's the same with Kyrie Irvan wh Kyrie's into Kyrie
and basketball like he's great. He is the best six
three and undercloser in league history. Both hands, what they
call it a finishing package. I think he's got the
greatest finishing package for a small player in the history
of the sport both hands. Unbelievable. Okay, that's fair. Yeah, Sam,
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I was a critic, but you know, I've got a
lot of years and two of it great and so
he's back. He's pivoted back to great.
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Speaker 2 (30:44):
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Speaker 9 (30:53):
The Medal's got some fireworks here earlier showing off angry
I telling.
Speaker 2 (31:04):
What big kick tackle it the ball comes out?
Speaker 1 (31:09):
What a quick turn of events, jujor one hand down touchdown?
That is something special right there.
Speaker 10 (31:21):
Tomorrow on Fox, the United Football League kicks off the
Week three action with a battle between the Memphis Showboats
and the Birmingham Stallions.
Speaker 3 (31:34):
It all begins at seven eastern on Fox. Spring just
got stronger.
Speaker 1 (31:39):
By the way. A lot of talk this week on
Lebron James Son getting drafted. I saw a story yesterday
Lakers are the odds on favorite Nick's second to draft
Brownie James, who was not a great college player one
year at USC didn't average much, but he'd have a
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cardiac arrest which set him back. So I'm reading what
scouts are now saying they're gonna do this anonymously. They're
not going to try to, you know, ruffle feathers. But
said one scout, there are probably three rounds worth of
prospects more talented than Browny in this class, so picking
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him is more about getting Lebron's attention. There was another quote,
Brownie's nowhere near ready. Should be noted most of these
guys aren't ready. That's not a not a wild quote.
He should go back to school, develop at his own pace,
or he risks getting lost in the shuffle. You're not
gonna get lost if he's Lebron's kid. But there's an argument,
and I think scouts are usually right that he should
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go back to school. I'm gonna that's probably the best answer. Now,
remember one thing, and this isn't arguable. This is a
historically bad draft. This is a bad draft. So eight
of the last nine plays picked at the fifty fifth
spot in stronger drafts, none are starters. They are at
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best deep on NBA benches, many not rotational players. None
of have played more than fifty games. So coming from
better drafts, these guys don't play. They're rotational guys. If
you look at this year. This year's fifty fifth best player.
On one service we looked up this morning, it's Yukon
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role player Alex Caraban, who's never really been viewed as
an NBA guy. That's the fifty fifth ranked player. It's
a weak draft.
Speaker 2 (33:38):
By the way.
Speaker 1 (33:38):
Kevin O'Connor, who wrote this article, his current fifty fifth
best player I'm not making this up. Is PJ. Hall,
a senior at Clemson. In his scouting report pluses this
is what he does well. He's an elite screener. He
sets fundamental picks. Okay, so I'm not going to lose
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a lot of sleep in a historically weak draft. If
the Lakers took Lebron's son over a guy that sets
excellent screens at Clemson, I'm not going to lose a
lot of sleep on that. Mick Cronin recently on our
show about Brawny.
Speaker 11 (34:22):
Whatever went on with the heart situation, I mean, can
you imagine, I mean, that's how hard that is. Well,
I'm just going to imagine. It wasn't like he was
able to run around stay in shape. It's hard enough
as a freshman in college basketball in this era of
twenty you know, the fifth year guys to come in
as a freshman. It had an entire summer of training. Well,
he had no summer, he had no fall really, and
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then all of a sudden he's back on the court.
So he was a show of what I saw in
high school.
Speaker 1 (34:51):
Okay, so in high school, Mick Cronin says, a pretty
good player. He was ascending, hard issue. Not the same player,
so the ceiling you can see video clips of him.
But again, this is a bad draft. The fifty fifth
ranked player in this draft is not an NBA player,
like it's at best a rotational player in stronger drafts,
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nunner starters, deep of the bench guys. So I would
argue he probably should go back to college. But if
the Lakers had the fifty fifth pick, I don't think
it's outrageous that they would take Lebron's son, who could
stay in LA and train. Jmack doesn't like this. He's
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very bothered by this. And yes, sometimes connections matter in life.
You get opportunities. Now look at him here skying for
the block. There's obviously talent, but the heart situation set
him back.
Speaker 2 (35:47):
I gotta start hiding my emotions better. Over here, as
you're reading this Kevin O'Connor, and I read this piece
and I like O'Connor. A nice guy. He's been here
and we talk.
Speaker 3 (35:56):
Either this is wildly inappropriate, way out of bounds. Mick
Cronin stuff had immense value putting into perspective what it's
like to you got a heart issue, you can't play
basketball for four or five months. Yeah, yeah, of course
your season is not gonna go great. And don't give
me this PJ Hall stuff. By the way, I was
on Clemson all tournament one money on them. I like
PJ Hall's game. He's a twenty two year old role
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playing poor man's Nick Collinson. Don't compare Bronnie James to
PJ Hall, and I like PJ Hall.
Speaker 2 (36:23):
That's silly.
Speaker 1 (36:25):
You think Lebron's worth drafting.
Speaker 2 (36:28):
Of course, not in the first round obviously, but yeah
he's a second round pick. Can we just not Screwtiniz?
Speaker 3 (36:33):
I mean, I know it sounds like I'm caping up
for Lebron in his cap. Can we just not Screwtiny?
Speaker 4 (36:37):
Is the guy?
Speaker 3 (36:38):
He barely played basketball this year, but the talent is
clearly there. Sure, he's probably not six ' five or
six four, yet he's still growing in guy's like a teenager.
Speaker 8 (36:46):
Isn't he?
Speaker 1 (36:47):
So ask yourself this, So we do this sometimes. Jordan
Love had a great, great junior year. I think it
was sophomore y yeah, yeah, yeah. Then he lost a receiver,
a coach, had a bad final years at the country
and interceptions, so he went from wow to ugh. The
packers are like, we're gonna go with the wow stuff,
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and we see circumstances that hurt his game. Drake May
I talked to a GM last weekend in the NFL.
He said, go back to Drake May's film the year
before he was better. Did he lose a receiver? Did
he lose an offensive lineman? Did he lose a coordinator?
Did he lose a quarterback?
Speaker 6 (37:25):
Coach?
Speaker 1 (37:26):
He goes, I believe the GM told me that Drake
May a year ago showed me he threw with anticipation.
He ran for a bunch of yards, seven hundred yards.
This GM also had told me on Jordan Love, be
very careful about young people. They need more support and
if they lose parts of their support system, a great coach.
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I mean, you don't think JJ McCarthy was elevated by
Jim Harbaugh. You don't think Justin Herbert, who's still young,
won't be elevated. Joe Burrow got an offensive coach and
Jamar Chase. When you're older, let's just take you know,
an old accountant, an old you know, an old golfer.
The caddy may not be as important, but when you're young,
you need circumstances mostly to line up.
Speaker 2 (38:09):
C J.
Speaker 1 (38:09):
Stroud would not be as good with a bad GM
and a bad head coach and a CRAPPYOC.
Speaker 6 (38:15):
Now.
Speaker 2 (38:15):
C J.
Speaker 1 (38:15):
Stroud's talented, but everything lined up for him. He crushed.
And so my takeaway is Brownie had a circumstance that
absolutely has to be considered. Mick Cronin watched him. He
was an elevating player. His heart gives out. He literally
couldn't move for forma, he couldn't do cardio. So he's
basically learning to play again to some degree. So to
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your point and our point, we do this all the
time in sports where a kid has a better sophomore
or junior year than a senior year, and the scouts
I talked to roways go back to the better year
and they go, well, examine what he low, what happened?
He didn't get less talented, he got less support, and
so I think in the brawny situation in a bad
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draft where a screen setter is now ranked as the
fifty fifth best player.
Speaker 3 (39:04):
So listen again, I should be careful what I say here.
I know some people around the USC program. I put
the Andy Enfield News out there before a lot of
people had it. There's some circumstances that are not basketball
related that Bronny's going up against. Okay, everywhere you walk, Oh,
that's Lebron's son. There must to be his own guy. Sure,
so he's making some money, like you know, involved with
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playing video games and stuff. But now he's playing video
games like a lot, and it's impacting you know, his hands,
like he's playing a ton of it and making a
lot of money. He's his own guy, right, and.
Speaker 2 (39:40):
Listen.
Speaker 3 (39:40):
If it were just basketball, I would totally bet on
this kid, certainly.
Speaker 2 (39:43):
But there's do you know what it's like to be
the son of Lebron's It's not easy? Look you aren't.
We should interview Michael Jordan's kids about that.
Speaker 1 (39:50):
But what that was like in Hollywood? Like, it's fairly
go look at Hollywood's actors kids. Now, what's the term
they use most a child actors, you know, like the
aw spring of famous people.
Speaker 3 (40:01):
There's a popular word that's out there now, and it's
basically like they're entitled and they get everything. Oh, we
shouldn't feel sorry for them.
Speaker 2 (40:08):
It's hard.
Speaker 3 (40:09):
And again I know they're wealthy, but it is difficult
where everywhere you go, everybody's looking at you.
Speaker 2 (40:14):
Oh, that's his son and living up to that.
Speaker 1 (40:17):
In your dad's the greatest basketball player ever? Do you
know who that is? It wouldn't be easy, it wouldn't
be like psychologically, if you were a grinder, people wouldn't
believe it. Even if you had a great work ethic,
you'd never be given credit for it. And I know
everybody resents, you know, the the one percent. That's fine,
but it's like the truth is, even if your parents
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were great, and I think Lebron's been a good, you know,
good parent and it makes his son's work, you'd never
be given credit for it.
Speaker 3 (40:45):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (40:45):
I just thought of the word. It's nepo baby.
Speaker 3 (40:47):
I'm sure you've heard that phrase, right, Yeah, And like again,
he's got two options. I can totally grind and do
my best, or I could just you know what I
got the money I got, the fame.
Speaker 2 (40:55):
I don't need to do anything. I'm just I'm not
gonna go to school, I'm gonna play basketball. He's not
doing that. I'm rooting for them, and I think some
of the stuff's just.
Speaker 1 (41:01):
Not Yeah, I'm rooting for them too. I don't like
rooting against people. I mean, there are some creeps in
the world, but by and large, it's it's just more
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All right, it is a Friday. We are ready to
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I've wondered for years why people don't put big brand
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spring games on national TV. Ohio States will be on
a team that probably I think should win the national championship.
Jmac this is exciting. The Masters, Price and shamboneho the top,
and they got the NBA Playoffs, all that positioning, we
got the draft, all sorts of things. Rumblings happening there,
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Minnesota moving up. Maybe not for JJ McCarthy.
Speaker 3 (01:11):
Yeah, Hey, by the way, you're aware of Bryson Deshambo's
amazing nickname, right, Bryson disham swole because he's so.
Speaker 2 (01:19):
Jacked and all he does is live weights. It's a
great nickname.
Speaker 1 (01:24):
Seventeen pieces of bacon for breakfast. I'm in, I guess.
So the Boston Celtics wrapped up the best record in
the April NBA. The Celtics wrapped up the best record
in the NBA April third. The playoffs don't start until
April twentieth, so they're not the most focused team right now.
(01:45):
But Charles Barkley last night as they were getting dragged
by the Knicks, would not have it.
Speaker 4 (01:52):
Were they gonna play like that, they shouldn't play. I'm
gonna tell you something happened to me when I was
in the playoffs one year, made it to the finals.
We had the best record of the NBA, and we
shut it down the last two weeks of the season.
We lost the first two games at home to the Lakers,
and like I've always said to myself, they had nothing
(02:16):
to do with I'm losing to the Bulls and the finals,
but I'm saying I regreted to this day. They're like, yo, man,
you played to the end of the season. I know
they gonna finish with the best record, but man, you
just can't turn it off and turn it on.
Speaker 1 (02:28):
Maybe that used to be the case, but the NBA
has changed. And here's one of the things that's become
noticeable over the last three years four years. J McK
and I, I think you've touched on this. The three
point shot not only rules the world, but if you're
an offensively gifted team Golden State, OKC to me, Boston,
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you can play poorly and have a big fourth quarter
surge of threes. Now that five out of five starters
can hit, it's a life raft on bad nights, So
teams like Boston can mail it in, get out played,
and have a five minute run late third quarter and
end up blowing out a team by double digits. That
wasn't the way it was in Barkley's day or Shacks day.
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The Lakers may have had one three point shooter, maybe
two a kobea Derek Fisher or in Barkley's day he
could hit a three pointer, maybe Cage Kevin Johnson could.
But it's different. Now teams go on these massive runs.
I mean, we had an NBA team with Kevin Durant
and Booker on it that trailed thirty four to five
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at home this week. You regularly see in the NBA
a team down twenty early and they win by ten late.
It happens all the time. By the way, I love Shack,
but he was perpetually distracted, and Barkley was not known
for laser focus either. Michael Jordan had criticized him to
his face and behind his back, saying, you're just too distracted,
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You're not committed enough. So the Boston Celtics led the
NBA and blowouts. They were thirty nine and eleven against
the East. This is human nature. They take their foot
off the gas. It happens all the time, and it
happens all the time in the NBA. Now, so when
I look at Boston, my issues with Boston aren't aren't
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because the top five or six teams in the NBA
are a mile ahead of the bottom ten. This is
not the NFL where you may have Carolina's really awful
and maybe one other team's a mass. In the NBA,
ten teams at the bottom cannot compete with the six
teams at the top. It's not even the rosters aren't
close and so my takeaway is in the three point
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world we live in, when you wrap the best record
up seventeen days before the playoffs, it's not like the
Knicks are a bad team. The Knicks are a playoff
team frankly better since Julius Randall got hurt, they're better.
And so I get it, And I don't think it's
a lack of care. I think it's a reality of
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the three point shot. If you're offensively gifted, you can
fall asleep, come back in the third quarter a four
minute run. You see runs in the NBA now, and
not only do you see twenty to four runs, they
happen in three minutes. I'm at the Laker game the
other night. J McK and I are Lakers Warriors. Warriors
had four shot possessions, they come back with twelve points.
(05:30):
It's a minute and a half. Didn't used to happen,
all right? The masters And by the way, golf is
a very very insular sport, right, but the truth about
golfers is they watch more golf when Tiger Woods was rolling.
Is that all sports could be, you know, f one
(05:50):
racing overseas, it's women's basketball. Personality is better for your
social life, your country club. Everybody needs a little personality.
Bryson de Shambo lead Scottie Scheffler at the Masters by one. Now,
Scheffler's your classic golf purist favorite. Doesn't ruffle any feathers,
got a nice game, pretty quiet, Bryson de Shambo. J
(06:14):
Mack just told us Bryson de Shambo's nickname.
Speaker 2 (06:16):
Is des sham Swool.
Speaker 1 (06:20):
Okay, amazing. He used to have these. Maybe he still
does protein shake breakfast, seventeen pieces a bacon. He's a
villain to some. Tiger Woods was a villain. He would
swear throw a club. Golf was more interesting. And by
the way, Brooks Koepka, Dustin Johnson, Bryceon de Shambo, Patrick Reid,
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their personalities. They've all joined the Live Tour, and so
you get them at a major. But you know, she
don't get him on the tour as much. And the
tour's more bland than ever, more vanilla than ever. So
I gotta be honest with you. My initial reaction with
Deshambo was he's over the top. But now that these
big swing guys and the personality guys have gone to
(07:02):
the Live tour, pech is boring all the time. I'm
not going to just watch because of a golf course.
Nothing against Augusta or Pebble Beach, but it's the golfer
and the personality that brings me in, not the putting
green and the shamble acknowledges. He's not for everybody.
Speaker 5 (07:23):
I'm a very passionate individual, and some people can take
that in a pretty negative way. Others can take it
in a way of while he's trying to pave a
pathway in his own path. I think that's a pretty
big misconception, is that you know I'm divisive. I'm really not.
I don't try to be. It may come off that
way because I'm passionate about certain things and certain subjects.
(07:45):
That's up for interpretation and opinion, but and look, I
respect everybody's opinion what they think. I have no no issues,
and I understand that the pathway that I that I
pave is can be viewed in multiple ways.
Speaker 3 (08:00):
You know.
Speaker 1 (08:00):
When a lot of these big hitters, and I like
watching Brooks Koepka, He's my favorite current golfer. I like
Phil Mickelson. Well, can I say maybe I'm a casual?
I like Phil mckleson. If Phil Mickelson Sunday was in
the final group. I'm watching if de Shambo is, I'm
watching if Scheffler is leads by seven strokes entering Sunday. Yeah, whatever,
(08:23):
he's great golfer. I mean, golf can make Major League
Baseball at cutting edge. And they always push back on
this stuff. But the thing about Bryce and to Shambo,
he makes you feel something. Politicians often win elections when
they're not qualified. They make you feel something that's really important.
Caitlin Clark, by the way, sort of made a lot
(08:46):
of Americans feel something, like they roll along for the ride.
Midwest Girl, Hustler, underdog wasn't just hitting shots. A lot
of people make shots in college basketball, men's and women's.
Caitlin Clark made you feel something. Now, you don't have
to be a villain to create that, but that is
often the case. Michael Jordan made us feel cool. Lebron
(09:09):
James sometimes makes people angry. He talks race and politics.
Whatever it is. I'm for it now. Maybe I'm a sportscaster,
I'm a golf casual. But I'm telling you, since all
the big hitters left and golf said good riddance, PG
is not as interesting the numbers prove it. Rice and De'shambeau,
Dustin Johnson not a huge fan of Patrick Red. You
(09:30):
get villains. I don't have to love all of them,
but I wish I got more Brooks Kopka. I wish
I did. He's more interesting. I root for interesting, not
being a hipocrite. I've said that forever. And I know
golf guy at the golf club somewhere in Florida's looking
at me shaking his fist in Arizona, Vegas, pure golfers.
But you know what, Tiger Woods made a lot of
guys rich on that tour. He made a lot of
(09:52):
guys rich J. Mack tom Brady said yesterday he may
still play, and people kind of freaked out. It was
funny listen to people. People are either in the camp
of I mean, just just stay retired, which, by the way,
I think you and I have talked about this. If
you do something that's fun for a living. You're a magician,
(10:13):
you're a talk show host, you play athletics, you do
something that would be viewed as fun. I don't get retirement.
I get it. If you're in a lug nut factory,
you lift things, you're in a dangerous job. You're in
an oil Derek Oh, I totally get that. Your shoulders
are shot, your back is bad, it's hard physical labor.
(10:34):
You want to go play golf. I totally get it.
But when you're in a job and you're lucky that
you found your love six seven, eight, nine years old,
built a career up, retired to what bridge?
Speaker 6 (10:45):
What oh?
Speaker 1 (10:45):
Shuffleboard action, no backgammon all day? My take is I'm
Tom Brady. I was great two years ago. PFF had
me as like the third highest graded quarterback above back
and Kirk Cousins above Justin Herbert. If you got a
call from Minute Minesota, Donald goes down first week, Justin Jefferson,
Jordan Addison.
Speaker 3 (11:04):
Wait, I thought that Minnesota was getting JJ McCarthy went
to Michigan.
Speaker 1 (11:09):
If Donald got banged up in camp, Kevin O'Connell, de Tall,
Sean McVay, caulled. I'm just saying you wouldn't take the call,
not saying you go to Carolina.
Speaker 3 (11:20):
What's well, What's Carolina is more beautiful in the winter
than minsitarires.
Speaker 1 (11:24):
Minnesota plays in doors, damn it.
Speaker 7 (11:28):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (11:29):
That's a tough one for TV. We'll talk about that Man,
be sure to catch live editions of The Herd weekdays
in neon eastern non am Pacific on Fox Sports Radio
FS one and the iHeartRadio app.
Speaker 1 (11:40):
By the way, not just in sports, but all the time,
successful people, men and women in America retire, get bored,
and then start another company or go back to work.
It happens all the time. Retirement is overrated for people
who love their work and people that are good at
their the longer you do something, especially if later in
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your career you can surround yourself with young, smart techie
people who can keep you current. You know. So Tom
Brady surrounds himself write nutritionists, longevity people. He's a fitness freak.
So on a recent podcast, Tom said, yeah, I think
I'd take a call if somebody called and asked for
my services.
Speaker 2 (12:25):
Let's say one day it is a situation, right, Maybe
it's the forty nine ers. Maybe you know, head to
the playoffs. Offense is great, God forbid, somebody goes down.
Would you pick up that phone. I'm not opposed to it.
Speaker 7 (12:37):
If they would, I don't know if they're gonna let
me if I become an owner and the NFL team,
but I don't know.
Speaker 2 (12:41):
If I don't know, I'm always going to be a
good shape. I always be able to throw the ball.
Speaker 7 (12:45):
So to come in for a little bit like MJ
coming back, I don't know if they let me, but
I wouldn't be opposed to.
Speaker 1 (12:52):
It, all right, So he would have been. Tom would
have been the number one free agent quarterback this year.
Russell will some tiny, tiny market tiny. Basically, Steelers said
you're free, will take you. And Kirk Cousins is off
an achille surgery. Tom would have been more interesting. So
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if you're great at something, a fitness freak, this isn't
Drew Brees. Where Drew Brees acknowledges he can't lift his
right arm above his shoulder anymore. When he plays with
his kids, he throws with his left hand. Let's just
say the Minnesota Vikings call Sam darnold slight injury, and
whoever they draft at quarterback is not ready to play
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in that division with the Packers offense, the Bears with
Caleb Williams, and the Vikings like their team. They're off
to a they're off to a a three and one start.
Look at what they would have Kevin O'Connell, the tall
Sean McVay, head coach, Brady, top five running back, Aaron Jones,
best receiver probably in the league, Justin Jefferson, an excellent
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to Jordan Addison Hawkinson tight end, and maybe the best
young left tackle probably in the sport, Christian Dearsaw. Seven
elite people, including the head coach, who's more gifted in
the NFL offensively. Maybe San Francisco is certainly not at
quarterback than that nobody. I mean, Detroit's good, San Francisco's
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pretty good. They're not that. And by the way, Brady's
last year in Tampa forty seven hundred yards, five game
winning drives, sixty seven percent completion percentage, with no run game,
no run game. They were last place led the NFL
in attempts and completions. So it's different than Dan Marino.
His knees were shot, Drew Brees right arm was shot,
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Peyton Manning physically shot. That's not what we have here.
We have a quarterback for a variety of reasons that
just sort of said, yeah, the Tampa thing's getting murky.
I'm out. I mean, just think about this. Joe Flacco
had not started a full Seaton, had not been a
starter for a full s season since twenty seventeen and
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is not the physical workout freak of Brady goes to
the AFC North tougher division, tougher conference than Tom Brady did,
and he leads Cleveland to the playoffs. And Brady's all
in on this longevity stuff. Brady's in on this pliability stuff.
I don't think it's crazy. I'm not going to get
into Tom broadcasting to I don't know what happens, but
I'm just saying if Minnesota called, what if Jared Goff
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went down? The Lions are not drafting, the Lions are
not drafting a quarterback. I would suppose early Jared Goff
goes down with that offensive line, those weapons. You don't
think Ben Johnson would say, you know, if we thought
about Colin Brady last year, over fifty quarterbacks pay played,
and you're Detroit. You feel like you've got a young
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roster that you're not paying big money to this year
or next. You got about a two year window in
Detroit before you gotta pay all these guys. Tom Brady
goes I'll come in on the chief. You don't think
Tom Brady I'm not saying right now, he's as vibrant
as Jared Goff. But the GAP's not that big, is it?
So some of these teams, like I get not building
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around him, but a phone call swoop in Parachute in
Vikings Lions. I mean Brady chose Tampa why because all
they needed was a right tackle and a receiver growing
that he could trust. I mean that was kind of it, right.
They got that. He went and got Leudy Furnett. The
roster was there, the division was winnable. It's something J
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McK with a.
Speaker 2 (16:35):
News no, no, no, turn on the news. This is
the herd Line news.
Speaker 3 (16:42):
NFL Draft less than two weeks away. Only three of
the top quarterbacks will be at the draft. This is
I don't know something, nothing, but Kayleb Williams will be there,
Drake May will be there, Jayden Daniels will as well.
Speaker 2 (16:54):
No word on JJ McCarthy. I don't know what that means.
Speaker 3 (16:56):
Maybe it means nothing, maybe he rejected them.
Speaker 2 (16:59):
But only the top three quarterbacks will be there.
Speaker 3 (17:02):
The top receiver prospects, Marvin Harrison, Leakueighbors, Rome of Doonda
they will also be there. Here is the full list
on screen of players who will be at the draft.
Brian Thomas, the LSU receiver might be a little under
moocked if you've looked at mock drafts lately and you've
got some cornerbacks, one edge rusher.
Speaker 1 (17:20):
I mean, interestingly, it's a very technically two offensive heavy draft.
It's a great offensive tackle draft, maybe the best ever.
It's a strong quarterback draft. It's a very good receiver draft,
and there's a couple of good edge rushers. It's not
a defensive draft.
Speaker 2 (17:36):
Yeah, it's a good draft.
Speaker 1 (17:38):
By the way, first four rounds a lot of really
high end NFL players. My guys say it drops off
heavy about mid fifth, mid fifth round gets kind of.
Speaker 2 (17:46):
Junkie right where Pooka Nicol win.
Speaker 1 (17:49):
Yeah, but fifth mid fifth round, it's it's it's not
real salty. But up to that point, it's a really
above average draft. It's an excellent, excellent first fifty pick draft.
Speaker 3 (18:01):
So any thoughts on JJ McCarthy not being there, I mean,
it's gonna be a well, it's not gonna be weird
if he goes fourth or fifth, which I don't think
is happening.
Speaker 2 (18:10):
It's just a little odd that he's not there.
Speaker 1 (18:12):
But well, are you saying it's rigged I'm not saying anything.
Speaker 2 (18:16):
I am curious.
Speaker 3 (18:19):
Maybe McCarthy said, I don't know, it's possible that he
said no, thank you to the invite.
Speaker 2 (18:23):
Ill you know, there's a lot of options.
Speaker 1 (18:25):
Maybe he well also the Straight Show the list, again,
I didn't see a bow next or a Michael Pennox.
Even so, so JJ McCarthy grades closer to those players.
I mean, these guys are absolutely getting draft drafted in
the first round. Like I I, there's like the people
that could fall. Let's say Drake May falls. He's not
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falling out of the top twelve, but you I could
see Jay, I could see absolutely the Vikings move up
for Jaden Daniels when New England doesn't take a quarterback.
Speaker 2 (18:59):
If that doesn't take when.
Speaker 1 (19:02):
There's a lot of discussions going on right now.
Speaker 6 (19:04):
All right.
Speaker 3 (19:05):
Sticking to the NFL, Josh Allen, the Bills, you know,
they've been Super Bowl contenders for years, haven't been able
to get over that hump and get by Kansas City.
Speaker 2 (19:13):
They've lost some big pieces this offseason.
Speaker 3 (19:15):
But Tom Brady, who's in the news a lot this week,
Tom Brady was asked which quarterback he thinks will win
his first Super Bowl next and that's Josh Allen. Now,
I'd love to get Tom Brady on that couch and
hear him say that, because Colin, you and I think
the ship has sailed.
Speaker 2 (19:31):
The windows closed for Buffalo. I said that, I don't think.
Speaker 1 (19:35):
I don't think it's closed, but I don't think they're
going to be as good next year. Your super Bowl
windows never closed. When you have a top three quarterback
in the league, I don't think it's ever closed. I
think Mahomes Josh Allen are the two best quarterbacks in
the league. I think Joe Burrow, when healthy, is in
that class. So I think Burrow, Mahomes, and Allen are
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always in the Super Bowl bubble. I do not believe
Buffalo's has good this year, and I believe Kansas City,
because their young deep again defense will get better, will
be better. They'll also have to be better at wide receiver.
They'll draft somebody. So I don't know what the Rashi
Rice situation is. They may go back to the drawing
board at wide receiver. That's kind of kind of have
to that's kind of a.
Speaker 2 (20:17):
The Josh Allen thing is is interesting.
Speaker 3 (20:19):
So if you look at the Kansas City structure, Andy
Reid was always at the top of the pyramid.
Speaker 2 (20:24):
There was no disputing that.
Speaker 3 (20:25):
He had his lieutenants leave and some of them have
come back, right Naggi and some of these other guys
in Buffalo. They lose Dable and then they lose Shane.
Both are now with the Giants. You could make an argument,
a credible argument, that Brian Dable was more of the
GM what mattered more to that team than the head coach.
Speaker 2 (20:43):
Did Nick Well, And I know the people will push back,
and that's fine.
Speaker 1 (20:46):
I'll push back because they they got to the playoffs
before Dable, and they got to the playoffs after he left.
Speaker 2 (20:51):
But when was their best run?
Speaker 1 (20:53):
Well, no, no, I'm not saying Dabele wasn't the icing on
the cake. And I love Drying. But this is like
the KD argument one pre KD Steph won post KD.
Steph was the soul of the Warriors even when KD
was there. He was the best shot maker on many
nights they won. They got to the playoffs pre and
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post Dable. Now Dable made them better. KD to the Warriors.
When the Warriors win pre and post KD, Steph is
the soul of the franchise. The soul of this franchise
is not a coach, it's Josh Allen's the soul of
the franchise.
Speaker 2 (21:27):
Correct.
Speaker 3 (21:27):
But when Josh Allen was at his height with Dabel,
he was on the rookie contract.
Speaker 1 (21:31):
He was on yes, So there's two things there. He
was on his rookie contract and had a great OC.
Now he's got okoc's and he's expensive. There's some of
that is and I think the Chargers did this. The
Chargers and the Bills wasted opportunities when they had gifted
quarterbacks on the Chief.
Speaker 2 (21:50):
They didn't waste them, they just didn't deliver.
Speaker 1 (21:52):
I mean Kansas City did. And that's generally the way
it works. There's four or five teams that have this
shot and the Chief so the one that took advantage
of but left now no, Well, San Francisco and Purty
perty's not in that class, but San Francisco last couple
of years has gotten there with Purty and he can't deliver.
Speaker 3 (22:09):
Well, I'm not gonna relitigate Rock Purty super Bowl and
how they merely and should have won it. But again,
when you look at Josh Allen and the Bills, Colin
he was cheap.
Speaker 2 (22:18):
They had an awesome, incredible supporting cast.
Speaker 3 (22:21):
That roster is greatly diminished, from the offensive line to
the Defensi've lost I think five or six starters, including
Jefon Diggs. This seems not going to be remotely as
good as they were last year, not even close. And
now you got the Jets and they're stacked roster breathing
down their necks. Miami probably gonna stick around.
Speaker 2 (22:38):
Colin. I'm just I don't you know. Again, Tom Brady's
now a teammate here.
Speaker 3 (22:42):
I would love to hear him explain why he thinks
Josh Allen in this argument.
Speaker 2 (22:46):
Oh well, hey, Josh Allen's one of the top three
quarterbacks in the league.
Speaker 3 (22:49):
That doesn't hold water. Man, You're not winning the super
Bowl just because of Josh Allen. You need the coach,
you need weapons, you need defense. I don't think he
has any of that. Final story Lakers and Warriors to
be on a collision course for the nine to ten
play in that was this is so bad.
Speaker 1 (23:05):
For the Lakers, So right now, explain what's going on
here in the West.
Speaker 3 (23:08):
It's not so there's a three way tie after the
King's loss last night, Kings Lakers Warriors, and of course
the Lakers lose the tiebreaker with both of.
Speaker 1 (23:16):
Them, so the Lakers now have to win.
Speaker 2 (23:19):
As of today, they have to win twice on the road.
Speaker 3 (23:22):
I believe as of now now things could change bending
on the final two games. But here's the real story,
Draymond greet, your friend is confident that Golden State would
have no problem with the Lakers and the plane.
Speaker 6 (23:36):
I am very confident, you know, if we play them
in the play in situation that we can win, that
we will win. And saying that, you know, anytime you're
playing against ad and Brown in the one game situation stuff,
because you know, you just they're always more than capable
of putting a great night together, and it's more likely
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in a one game situation that they're going to put
a great night together in a bad neck.
Speaker 2 (24:05):
So it's always tough.
Speaker 6 (24:07):
Nonetheless, that is where we are, and I have total
confidence that we can take advantage of some things that
they do and win the game.
Speaker 4 (24:15):
If that is the case.
Speaker 1 (24:16):
I always think it's hard though, because the last time
they will have played Warriors blew them out in lad
That's right. So now it's like when Phoenix got dogged
by the Clippers. The next night they go into LA
and beat the Clippers. So the last time these two
teams played, Lakers stunk. The rotations were bad by the coach,
there's no ad, they couldn't hit shots, and the Warriors
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were on fire. I would take in a one game,
I would take the Lakers.
Speaker 2 (24:41):
I would agree.
Speaker 3 (24:41):
I just want to go back to last year's Lakers
Warriors series for a second. Lakers total control of that series.
Remember they went in Game one on the road in
Golden State.
Speaker 1 (24:50):
Their size is a huge issue and the Warriors are
not going to shoot like that the next time they
play them.
Speaker 2 (24:54):
Are the Warriors better than they were last year?
Speaker 1 (24:57):
It's a lot of the same. I think cominga's more.
I think kaminga is more productive, but I think it's
the same issues. The straints are the same, the issues
are the same. Pods has been a really nice additions.
Speaker 2 (25:11):
Playing well.
Speaker 6 (25:12):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (25:12):
Now I think they're slightly better because of Pods and
the energy it gives them another good shooter. So I
think they're a better version of last year. But I
think the West is better than that.
Speaker 3 (25:20):
Okay, and now the Lakers. Are they better or worse
or same than last year?
Speaker 1 (25:27):
Well, they made it to the conference finals last year,
so I think they're about the same. I think it's
the same player. Well, I think d LOO is playing better,
but I think Lebron ad and Austin Reeves feel like
the same guys. Dlo's playing much better. So Lakers slightly better,
Warriors better because they haven't energized COMINGA and Pods. Yeah,
I think they're both better, but I think the West
is way better. I think Minnesota's better. OKC is better.
Speaker 2 (25:48):
So I think tonight is one of the biggest nights.
Speaker 3 (25:50):
I almost want to say every team in the league
is in action Tony tonight. It's a big NBA night,
and you're gonna there's so many swings in the East
end West that could happen tonight based on the game.
Speaker 2 (25:59):
So start your weekend with some NBA.
Speaker 1 (26:01):
So you would start, I would bet, you know, I
bet two NBA games this year. I think on DraftKings,
I'm too. Oh, if the Warriors Lakers played, I would
take the Lakers. That's a betable game. They're just what
you did last time. You played. Matters a lot in
this league with veteran players.
Speaker 2 (26:17):
So the other game would be suns King.
Speaker 1 (26:19):
I'd stay away from that, and then nobody. I can't
figure this out.
Speaker 2 (26:24):
But here's the thing. The Lakers would have to beat
the Warriors and then the Kings, and they have.
Speaker 3 (26:29):
I think they're oh to nine the last nine times
Ad has faced the bonus oh and nine.
Speaker 1 (26:35):
I know it's weird, uh J Mack with the news.
Speaker 2 (26:39):
Well that's the news, and thanks for stopping by the
herd line.
Speaker 1 (26:43):
I think all thirty NBA teams are in action tonight
and and Sunday. That's good scheduling. So they put it
out there, like the NFL moves the division game to
the last couple of weeks of the year, so you're
gonna have your Cowboys Eagles playing later in the year,
and your Cowboys Giants and your Ravens Bengals. The NFL
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has smartly moved, you know, the big games to the
end of the year. Some are in consequential, some matter
a lot. So the NBA has stacked the end of
the season last couple the last weekend, Tonight and Sunday.
Everybody plays, so there's gonna be you gotta forcing you
youd all this playing stuff. Seeding's gonna change. So I
would say you and I agree on this, Jmac. The
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biggest disappointment in the year for both of us is Phoenix.
You have been more accurate on Dallas and yeah, that's it. Yeah,
you've been a little hotter on Dallas than me, But
we both think Phoenix is the disappointment of the season.
Speaker 2 (27:44):
Yeah, and you had him.
Speaker 1 (27:45):
Winning the championship and I had him in the Western
Conference finals. So I kind of feel like that when
I missed.
Speaker 2 (27:50):
On Yeah, but a lot of people did.
Speaker 3 (27:52):
By the way, MAV's quick number I just saw here
with Kyrie Irving thirty nine and eleven, without Kyrie Irving
eleven and eleven.
Speaker 1 (28:00):
No, he's a great player.
Speaker 2 (28:02):
Are you playing way way better with that?
Speaker 1 (28:04):
Kyrie has two careers, the two years he was focused
with Lebron and this year with Luca. There's that Kyrie.
He's unbelievable. Then there's the Brooklyn Kyrie, the pre Lebron
Cleveland Kyrie, the Celtic Kyrie, and the first year last
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year Kyrie with Luca and it was a lot of turbulence.
But but he's had about a two and a half
year stretch. Two years with Lebron, he was absolutely unbelievable.
They go to Golden State and win a game seventh.
That team was that he was great, and then I
think it's fair to say that this year, especially All
Star break on, he's been fantastic when he's focused. There's
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a little Aaron Rodgers thing here. When Aaron's not talking
about you know, conspiracy stuff and doing his whole thing
and just stays on football, and Aaron's great, but he
can get distracted and you have to answer to it.
And Aaron thinks everybody's out to get him, and nobody cares.
He just says stuff, We report stuff. Nobody's lying away
a getting night in the media worrying about Aaron Rodgers.
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It's the same with Kyrie Irvan wh Kyrie's into Kyrie
and basketball like he's great. He is the best six
three and undercloser in league history. Both hands, what they
call it a finishing package. I think he's got the
greatest finishing package for a small player in the history
of the sport both hands. Unbelievable. Okay, that's fair. Yeah, Sam,
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I was a critic, but you know, I've got a
lot of years and two of it great and so
he's back. He's pivoted back to great.
Speaker 2 (29:35):
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Speaker 2 (30:44):
What a time to be alive. It is week two
of the up Belve Lotsy Tilfield, Jauntsy call over.
Speaker 9 (30:53):
The Medal's got some fireworks here earlier showing off angry
I telling.
Speaker 2 (31:04):
What big kick tackle it the ball comes out?
Speaker 1 (31:09):
What a quick turn of events, jujor one hand down touchdown?
That is something special right there.
Speaker 10 (31:21):
Tomorrow on Fox, the United Football League kicks off the
Week three action with a battle between the Memphis Showboats
and the Birmingham Stallions.
Speaker 3 (31:34):
It all begins at seven eastern on Fox. Spring just
got stronger.
Speaker 1 (31:39):
By the way. A lot of talk this week on
Lebron James Son getting drafted. I saw a story yesterday
Lakers are the odds on favorite Nick's second to draft
Brownie James, who was not a great college player one
year at USC didn't average much, but he'd have a
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cardiac arrest which set him back. So I'm reading what
scouts are now saying they're gonna do this anonymously. They're
not going to try to, you know, ruffle feathers. But
said one scout, there are probably three rounds worth of
prospects more talented than Browny in this class, so picking
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him is more about getting Lebron's attention. There was another quote,
Brownie's nowhere near ready. Should be noted most of these
guys aren't ready. That's not a not a wild quote.
He should go back to school, develop at his own pace,
or he risks getting lost in the shuffle. You're not
gonna get lost if he's Lebron's kid. But there's an argument,
and I think scouts are usually right that he should
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go back to school. I'm gonna that's probably the best answer. Now,
remember one thing, and this isn't arguable. This is a
historically bad draft. This is a bad draft. So eight
of the last nine plays picked at the fifty fifth
spot in stronger drafts, none are starters. They are at
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best deep on NBA benches, many not rotational players. None
of have played more than fifty games. So coming from
better drafts, these guys don't play. They're rotational guys. If
you look at this year. This year's fifty fifth best player.
On one service we looked up this morning, it's Yukon
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role player Alex Caraban, who's never really been viewed as
an NBA guy. That's the fifty fifth ranked player. It's
a weak draft.
Speaker 2 (33:38):
By the way.
Speaker 1 (33:38):
Kevin O'Connor, who wrote this article, his current fifty fifth
best player I'm not making this up. Is PJ. Hall,
a senior at Clemson. In his scouting report pluses this
is what he does well. He's an elite screener. He
sets fundamental picks. Okay, so I'm not going to lose
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a lot of sleep in a historically weak draft. If
the Lakers took Lebron's son over a guy that sets
excellent screens at Clemson, I'm not going to lose a
lot of sleep on that. Mick Cronin recently on our
show about Brawny.
Speaker 11 (34:22):
Whatever went on with the heart situation, I mean, can
you imagine, I mean, that's how hard that is. Well,
I'm just going to imagine. It wasn't like he was
able to run around stay in shape. It's hard enough
as a freshman in college basketball in this era of
twenty you know, the fifth year guys to come in
as a freshman. It had an entire summer of training. Well,
he had no summer, he had no fall really, and
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then all of a sudden he's back on the court.
So he was a show of what I saw in
high school.
Speaker 1 (34:51):
Okay, so in high school, Mick Cronin says, a pretty
good player. He was ascending, hard issue. Not the same player,
so the ceiling you can see video clips of him.
But again, this is a bad draft. The fifty fifth
ranked player in this draft is not an NBA player,
like it's at best a rotational player in stronger drafts,
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nunner starters, deep of the bench guys. So I would
argue he probably should go back to college. But if
the Lakers had the fifty fifth pick, I don't think
it's outrageous that they would take Lebron's son, who could
stay in LA and train. Jmack doesn't like this. He's
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very bothered by this. And yes, sometimes connections matter in life.
You get opportunities. Now look at him here skying for
the block. There's obviously talent, but the heart situation set
him back.
Speaker 2 (35:47):
I gotta start hiding my emotions better. Over here, as
you're reading this Kevin O'Connor, and I read this piece
and I like O'Connor. A nice guy. He's been here
and we talk.
Speaker 3 (35:56):
Either this is wildly inappropriate, way out of bounds. Mick
Cronin stuff had immense value putting into perspective what it's
like to you got a heart issue, you can't play
basketball for four or five months. Yeah, yeah, of course
your season is not gonna go great. And don't give
me this PJ Hall stuff. By the way, I was
on Clemson all tournament one money on them. I like
PJ Hall's game. He's a twenty two year old role
(36:17):
playing poor man's Nick Collinson. Don't compare Bronnie James to
PJ Hall, and I like PJ Hall.
Speaker 2 (36:23):
That's silly.
Speaker 1 (36:25):
You think Lebron's worth drafting.
Speaker 2 (36:28):
Of course, not in the first round obviously, but yeah
he's a second round pick. Can we just not Screwtiniz?
Speaker 3 (36:33):
I mean, I know it sounds like I'm caping up
for Lebron in his cap. Can we just not Screwtiny?
Speaker 4 (36:37):
Is the guy?
Speaker 3 (36:38):
He barely played basketball this year, but the talent is
clearly there. Sure, he's probably not six ' five or
six four, yet he's still growing in guy's like a teenager.
Speaker 8 (36:46):
Isn't he?
Speaker 1 (36:47):
So ask yourself this, So we do this sometimes. Jordan
Love had a great, great junior year. I think it
was sophomore y yeah, yeah, yeah. Then he lost a receiver,
a coach, had a bad final years at the country
and interceptions, so he went from wow to ugh. The
packers are like, we're gonna go with the wow stuff,
(37:09):
and we see circumstances that hurt his game. Drake May
I talked to a GM last weekend in the NFL.
He said, go back to Drake May's film the year
before he was better. Did he lose a receiver? Did
he lose an offensive lineman? Did he lose a coordinator?
Did he lose a quarterback?
Speaker 6 (37:25):
Coach?
Speaker 1 (37:26):
He goes, I believe the GM told me that Drake
May a year ago showed me he threw with anticipation.
He ran for a bunch of yards, seven hundred yards.
This GM also had told me on Jordan Love, be
very careful about young people. They need more support and
if they lose parts of their support system, a great coach.
(37:48):
I mean, you don't think JJ McCarthy was elevated by
Jim Harbaugh. You don't think Justin Herbert, who's still young,
won't be elevated. Joe Burrow got an offensive coach and
Jamar Chase. When you're older, let's just take you know,
an old accountant, an old you know, an old golfer.
The caddy may not be as important, but when you're young,
you need circumstances mostly to line up.
Speaker 2 (38:09):
C J.
Speaker 1 (38:09):
Stroud would not be as good with a bad GM
and a bad head coach and a CRAPPYOC.
Speaker 6 (38:15):
Now.
Speaker 2 (38:15):
C J.
Speaker 1 (38:15):
Stroud's talented, but everything lined up for him. He crushed.
And so my takeaway is Brownie had a circumstance that
absolutely has to be considered. Mick Cronin watched him. He
was an elevating player. His heart gives out. He literally
couldn't move for forma, he couldn't do cardio. So he's
basically learning to play again to some degree. So to
(38:38):
your point and our point, we do this all the
time in sports where a kid has a better sophomore
or junior year than a senior year, and the scouts
I talked to roways go back to the better year
and they go, well, examine what he low, what happened?
He didn't get less talented, he got less support, and
so I think in the brawny situation in a bad
(38:59):
draft where a screen setter is now ranked as the
fifty fifth best player.
Speaker 3 (39:04):
So listen again, I should be careful what I say here.
I know some people around the USC program. I put
the Andy Enfield News out there before a lot of
people had it. There's some circumstances that are not basketball
related that Bronny's going up against. Okay, everywhere you walk, Oh,
that's Lebron's son. There must to be his own guy. Sure,
so he's making some money, like you know, involved with
(39:28):
playing video games and stuff. But now he's playing video
games like a lot, and it's impacting you know, his hands,
like he's playing a ton of it and making a
lot of money. He's his own guy, right, and.
Speaker 2 (39:40):
Listen.
Speaker 3 (39:40):
If it were just basketball, I would totally bet on
this kid, certainly.
Speaker 2 (39:43):
But there's do you know what it's like to be
the son of Lebron's It's not easy? Look you aren't.
We should interview Michael Jordan's kids about that.
Speaker 1 (39:50):
But what that was like in Hollywood? Like, it's fairly
go look at Hollywood's actors kids. Now, what's the term
they use most a child actors, you know, like the
aw spring of famous people.
Speaker 3 (40:01):
There's a popular word that's out there now, and it's
basically like they're entitled and they get everything. Oh, we
shouldn't feel sorry for them.
Speaker 2 (40:08):
It's hard.
Speaker 3 (40:09):
And again I know they're wealthy, but it is difficult
where everywhere you go, everybody's looking at you.
Speaker 2 (40:14):
Oh, that's his son and living up to that.
Speaker 1 (40:17):
In your dad's the greatest basketball player ever? Do you
know who that is? It wouldn't be easy, it wouldn't
be like psychologically, if you were a grinder, people wouldn't
believe it. Even if you had a great work ethic,
you'd never be given credit for it. And I know
everybody resents, you know, the the one percent. That's fine,
but it's like the truth is, even if your parents
(40:39):
were great, and I think Lebron's been a good, you know,
good parent and it makes his son's work, you'd never
be given credit for it.
Speaker 3 (40:45):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (40:45):
I just thought of the word. It's nepo baby.
Speaker 3 (40:47):
I'm sure you've heard that phrase, right, Yeah, And like again,
he's got two options. I can totally grind and do
my best, or I could just you know what I
got the money I got, the fame.
Speaker 2 (40:55):
I don't need to do anything. I'm just I'm not
gonna go to school, I'm gonna play basketball. He's not
doing that. I'm rooting for them, and I think some
of the stuff's just.
Speaker 1 (41:01):
Not Yeah, I'm rooting for them too. I don't like
rooting against people. I mean, there are some creeps in
the world, but by and large, it's it's just more
joyful experience. Hour two and a Friday next
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