April 18, 2024 • 42 mins
Colin shares his latest mock draft featuring a big trade for a NFC contender team to get their next quarterback
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I don't even know what Music City is, but it's
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Speaker 5 (00:51):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (00:52):
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I've watched every second of these. It's fun.
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I do true crime on Netflix. I do documentaries, true crime,
real life, not doing all that fake sorcerer stuff. You
go watch your Wizards and Sorcerers. Harry guy, here's got
his feet on the ground. Okay, could I be more obnoxious? Okay?
So this is I do two a couple of mock drafts,
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and the reason I don't do them is nobody knows anything.
I mean, we kind of know the best players. But
I did include I was not gonna include a trade,
and then I thought, wait a minute, I'm playing GM.
So I believe the Chargers absolutely want to move back.
They want to accumulate more picks, They've got more needs,
and they think Jim's gonna ace this draft because his
excellent knowing personnel, Jim being Harbaugh. So here we go.
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I'm gonna go one through twelve, fire away. The easiest
slam dunk pick probably sent Andrew Luck and Trevor Lawrence.
Bears get Caleb Williams. The only franchise that's never had
a four thousand yard passer, which doesn't even sound right.
How many not have one four thousand yard passer? All
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you know I need to know about this kid one
hundred and twenty touchdowns and fourteen picks in three years.
He's a machine. He is the closest thing to Mahomes.
There's nothing I don't like about him. He can sometimes
lean into the spectacular. I don't care. Bears could use
some spectacular. Caleb goes one. I would take Jaden Daniels
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if I was Washington. I think he works with Cliff Kingsbury.
It's a shaky O line, shaky run game. He is
in a electric runner and a beautiful downfield rower. He's
the only player in SEC history. Now here's the other advantage.
Drake May played in the lousy conference. This kid played
in the SEC and is the only SEC quarterback to
have forty plus touchdown passes and ten plus rushing tds
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in a season. Cam Newton played in this conference, Joe Burrow,
Matt Stafford, the Mannings. This kid is a very unique talent.
I think he's gonna crush it here. I worry about
little Spindie, which he was bigger. No perfect players. So
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I've gone back and forth on this. I think I
would go get Drake May. It's not gonna be pretty.
He'll probably sit until Thanksgiving behind Jacoby Brissett. But they
had the worst scoring offense in the league. And do
you want to go three and thirteen, three and fourteen.
I'd get Drake May there. Next year is not a
good quarterback draft. Also, he led the ACE in passing
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back to back years. I think you got to get
him in house. Worry about You can get receivers second, third, fourth, fifth,
sixth round. Also, when you're at the top of rounds,
you can move back in any round and accumulate more picks.
But there's not going to be Drake May in the second, third, fourth,
fifth round or perhaps next year. So I'd get Drake May.
Inconsistency bothers me, but he does look like Justin Herbert.
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He's a big, strong kid that moves. Let's take him.
I would take Marvin Harrison Arizona's got picks. They've got
a great quarterback, a running back, guy like a tight end.
I like they this would be the best since DeAndre Hopkins,
the best receiver since DeAndre Hopkins. I also seek think Harrison,
along with Randy Moss and Calvin Johnson, is the best
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college receiver I've ever seen. I think he'll be a
star Rookie of the Year candidate year one. I mean
he's you know, he's not as fast as Randy Moss. Again,
they're no perfect players in the league, all right, Randy
bounced around a little. His temperament wasn't perfect for every
coach or every team. I think Harrison's amazing. I think.
I mean I watched him the minute he got hurt,
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they were gonna beat Georgia. He got hurt, won the
same team and they had CJ. Stroud. Okay, I just
think he says just I mean, Ohio State has all
five star receivers and he stands out above all of them.
So when you can stand out above the rest of
those cats, you're pretty good. Okay, I'm gonna make my
one trade. I think the reason the Vikings got two
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picks was to move up, and I think the Chargers
absolutely want to move down, but not too far down.
I have the Vikings coming up to five, the Chargers
going back to eleven, and I think they're gonna take
JJ McCarthy, who is moving into a furnished apartment the Vikings.
He didn't have to play. He can sit behind Darnol.
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They have the tall Sean McVay as a coach, best
young left tackle in football, best receiver in football, top
five running back, great number two receiver, top five or
six or seven tight end. I think they have a
good old line. It was like PFF Top twelve thirteen.
This is the furnished apartment in the NFL for a quarterback.
They got everything. You don't even have to play for
a year. I don't think JJ McCarthy has a big
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time arm. I don't think he has a big time
NFL body does Kirk Cousins. You can win a lot
of games. And remember, because you get rid of Cousins salary,
you could add pieces, so you're gonna get Basically, I
think kind of a Kirk Cousins level prospect better than
I think he's a better player than Kirk was, but
a Kirk Cousins without the salary. You goin a lot
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of games in this league doing that. The Giants I
think would love to have gotten a quarterback, but I
don't think they have the ability to move up and
give up draft capital. They need players, and they solve
a big issue. They get Malik Neighbors, the receiver from LSU.
LSU is a receiver factory. This kid is big time,
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OBJ explosive. Listen, they need a lot of stuff. Now
with Sakwan Barkley, it's gonna be bumpy. They're gonna be
back in the top five or six next year. But
this is like jump off the TV fast. I mean again,
when you're at LSU and you're playing against George's Bamas
and all these SEC schools, and you turn on a
TV and it was this what I saw with Jamar Chase,
and you're like, who's that guy? When you can stand
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out in the SEC, you're I mean, Marvin Harrison in
the Big ten outside of a Michigan, he's gonna be
better than everybody else. But this kid is special. By
the way, the Giants, I think we're ranked thirtieth in
yards after the catch, so they get no exper yards.
Now you got rid of your star running back. You
need yards after the catch, and this is what he provides.
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The Titans get Joe allt left tackle, worst offensive line
in the league. I don't know if will Levis is
gonna work, but the only chance he's gonna work is
he's not on his back, So they're gonna get Joe Alt.
I think Joe alta very good prospect. He is not
Trent Williams. He's not Jonathan Ogden. He's gonna make a
couple of Pro Bowls. He's very good. The people I
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talked to in the league think he's the best left
tackle in a good class, but they don't think he
quite has the ceiling of others. But you got to
salt left tackle. I mean, if will Levis is gonna work,
you got to give to get a fair shot. You
got to keep him up right.
Speaker 2 (08:16):
Uh Da.
Speaker 1 (08:17):
Falcons go with Dallas Turner, who was the best edge
rusher in the SEC. And that's saying something. He was
the SEC defensive player of the year. Bama does edge
rushers really well and receivers well. Listen, Saban loves him.
Great player. He's not gonna have a glossy in numbers
as other weaker conferences you got NFL offensive tackles in
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the SEC. He's a really good player. Remember when Will
Anderson came out, people nitpicked. He's been a really good player.
And I love Atlanta's direction right now. The only thing
they haven't had a double digit sack guy since like
Vic Beasley, Atlanta didn't have a ton of needs. I
think Atlanta's gonna win that division and very quickly is
going to surprise people. I think the Bears are gonna
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go get help on the edge with Jared Verse, who
was a monster. He had eighteen sacks the last couple
of years at Florida State. He's great and maybe this
is a reach by five or six spots, but there's
just not The draft gives you two or three good
edg rushers every year, and he's one of them. I
don't buy they need another receiver. They got Keenan Allen,
two good tight ends, nice back DeAndre Swift, Dj Moore.
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They don't need another receiver. They can get that in
the third, fourth, fifth round. It's a great receiver draft.
You're not gonna get an edge rusher anywhere in the draft.
If Dallas Turner's gone like this kid watched him play
three or four times, stands out on TV, jumps out
on TV, big time player, Montes Sweat. They got a
great corner Jalen Johnson. Now they have somebody to go
with him. I think that's the pick. So I'm the Jets.
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I'm gonna go with the rome o'donze. And here's why.
He's very mature, ready to play. You get no ego
with a kid. He's just a terrific player. I watched
him play live, I saw him play fifteen times. I
just think he's a grown up. Good routes, a little
Devonte Adams. When you go to New York, it's noisy.
This kid is all football, no nonsense, total grown up,
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wants to be a football player. And I think with
the Jets in their noise, he could go into New
York City. Garrett Wilson, you know I'm not Mike Williams
is talented but can't stay healthy. Generally speaking, Aaron Rodgers
Brady don't love young receivers. But this kid is like
an old twenty three. He's gonna walk in be a
really nice player, a real pro, and that's what the
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Jets need. Chargers in that trade with Minnesota now at
eleven get Taalasi Funaga. He is the Oregon State right tackle.
So they have Rashaun Slater at left tackle. He's the
best run blocker in the draft. What does Jim Harball
want to create a more run dominant Baltimore raven like
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offense to let Herbert throw on play action? So this kid,
I was told by somebody in the NFL, you can
almost not find a single play from his college career
where he didn't win on run blocking assignments. He is
the best run blocking tackle probably since maybe a Tristan
Wurfs who went to Tampa and crushed it right tackle.
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Culture is everything to Harbaugh. This kid is a maller.
They'll have both tackles, and justin Herbert, I think Denver
and Sean Payton, I think bow Nicks works for what
they want to do. A lot of underneath stuff. Stay
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on script sixty one college starts twenty two and five
with Oregon. Is he gonna move around a lot? No,
there is some Drew Breeze qualities a lot of college starts.
Highly productive, very coachable, super accurate. Not gonna run around though,
like Gree's early in his career. He can move. He
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is an excellent decision maker who at Oregon mostly stayed
on script, lower ceiling. But I think he works with
Sean Payton. I think what Sean wants to create is
a ball control offense. He souped up the offensive line
last year. He's got a running back he likes. I
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think bow Knicks is a fit. JJ McCarthy don't love him.
I think he fits Minnesota. Bow Knicks fits little bit
of a reach. What I've said before, I'm willing, I'm
willing to reach. I'm willing to do a little reaching.
All right, let's bring in Rick Buker. As we talked
NFL and my mock draft. I want to get to
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Rick in a couple of big topics here, as we
have Michael Pennix at the end of this hour. Rickett
is great to see you as always. Let's pivot to
basketball here. So the Sixers win MBD in the fourth quarter.
It was a classic playoff game. It's close. Miami and
Philly play close, and then Nick Nurse says, let's get
to the best player on the floor. They did, they won. Yeah,
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So my takeaway is now they go to New York.
Now I'm gonna take Philly in this series. I think
I think New York's a better story than a team.
But there's a lot of people that like the Knicks
in this series. What say you one of them? You
like Nicks?
Speaker 3 (13:17):
Yes, I do, And a lot of it has.
Speaker 7 (13:19):
To do with what I'm seeing from mbid even last night.
This is a Miami team that has absolutely no size.
They didn't have Terry Rozier last night, they didn't have
Duncan Robinson, and you get Jimmy Butler hurt early on
playing on what some are believing that is, you know,
a damaged mcl and yet they they struggled to put
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them away. And what I've seen of mb since he's
been back is a laboring guy who's left knee looks wonky,
and I don't know how that improves over the course
of these playoffs. And when I look at what the
Knicks have been with og Anaobi Hartenstein has given them
great minutes at the center position, and their leadership with
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Jalen Brunson and the chemistry, I think we are sleeping
on the.
Speaker 3 (14:09):
New York Knicks. I could.
Speaker 7 (14:11):
I've never said this before, and it feels a little
weird having it come out of my mouth, but I
give them a puncher's chance of being in the NBA
Finals this year.
Speaker 1 (14:21):
Wow. Yeah, So it's like, but you know what, who
said that Julius Randall gets hurt. It allows them to run.
They don't have to create these sort of inauthentic touches. Hey,
let's get because a lot of times in the NBA,
the number two guy wants his touches.
Speaker 5 (14:35):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (14:36):
Absolutely, they don't have to do that anymore. Jalen gets
more touches. He's a more efficient player and a better
offensive player. Do you worry about not having a dependable
number two score?
Speaker 7 (14:45):
I don't in this case because they have an array
of guys, the chemist that Villanova chemistry that they have
with all those guys, they just play off of each other,
and Jalen is a willing passer. What I worry a
little bit is that that they are.
Speaker 3 (15:00):
Brunson centric, Like, oh yeah, if he's not on.
Speaker 1 (15:04):
The floor, it's kind of just function.
Speaker 3 (15:06):
They're offense really falls apart.
Speaker 5 (15:08):
So but.
Speaker 7 (15:10):
He's been able to stay on the floor, So I'm
okay with that. I mean, you look across the league.
Every team, in one way or another, has a certain flaw,
especially in the Eastern Conference.
Speaker 3 (15:24):
And the Boston.
Speaker 7 (15:25):
Celtics flaw is just a little harder to see because
they're just so loaded with talent.
Speaker 1 (15:30):
So I was saying, if you take away the top
seven or eight players in the league that will not
get traded, Luca Sga and those teams are not Those
are cornerstone players, Jason Tatum their cornerstone. Then the next
twelve guys are really gifted, but they're flawed. Kyrie Irving temperament,
Trey Young defensively a little wild. So if you I
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think Trey Young is in that next twelve, not the
top eight where oh there's juice there, there's special stuff. Yeah,
But then in those with those players, it becomes about fit.
Luca's just gonna get his, Yanna's gonna get his. Then
it becomes about it'll work Kyrie with Luca, but it's
gotta be a fit. Yes, I and Trey Young and
Kyrie we both acknowledge you're great. But there's been there's stuff. Sure, Okay,
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So my take is last night when Atlanta lost, the
Lakers won because to Jontay Murray, they gave up three
first round picks. When Trey's off the floor, he averages
twenty six and ten there's your guy, but he doesn't.
It doesn't work with Trey the Lakers. Everybody in the
West that's legitimate has a great twenty year old except
the Lakers. Austin Reeves is not a great twenty year old. Yeah,
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he's good. Yeah, And it's like Dallas Mini Sack. Then
everybody's got one. You gotta have one. The Lakers don't
need more old and expensive. I think Trey Young to
the Lakers works. Then Atlanta gets size. But I think
with Ad protecting the rim, Lebron a good distributor. I
think Trey Young the Laker works.
Speaker 7 (16:57):
You, yes, yes, but they're One of the great issues
that the Lakers have is that their perimeter defense is
just so bad. Anthony Davis has to do so much
work to protect you from Austin Reeves. And I mean
they give an effort, but you got d Angelo Russell,
Austin Reeves. Lebron James only plays defense half the time.
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I mean, they don't have defense on the perimeter. And
Trey Young only exacerbates that. So yes, in terms of
scoring and his fit with Lebron and AD, I see that.
But and then the other part is you're gonna have
to give up a number of pieces. So you're giving
up Austin Reeves, You're probably giving up Ruey Hatch Muraw.
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You're gonna have to give up some stuff to get him.
Is Trey Young is the is the trio of Trey Young,
A D and Lebron.
Speaker 3 (17:48):
That's pretty good, okay? Is it so good?
Speaker 7 (17:51):
Well, it's a bit compensates for all of the other
pieces that you're losing.
Speaker 1 (17:56):
I'm gonna die on this hill. I'll give up Auston
Reeves and Ruie for an electric twenty five year old
that has real big league juice. I'll die on that hill.
Speaker 3 (18:06):
Okay, you can't. You can't. I'm not going to die
on it with you. I'm not.
Speaker 7 (18:12):
I think Trey Young has made the most out of
what he is. I'm not convinced that he's a winning team,
a winning player, or that his numbers are winning numbers.
I think he gets very gaudy numbers.
Speaker 1 (18:24):
So it's interesting. I'm watching it so funny. The other night,
Barkley went on the air and said, give me forty tonight, Zion,
this is your moment.
Speaker 5 (18:32):
I don't want to hear an.
Speaker 1 (18:32):
Excuses, And he goes out and gives you a forty
and he's great. The Lakers got a huge break. He
was taking over the game, and then he gets hurt.
And I was saying to Jmek yesterday or today before,
I said, literally, the scouts were absolutely spot on. They said,
he'll be unbelievable when he's get his weight, when he's
in shape, and when he's not hurt. And I'm like,
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that's exactly what I get. Yet, what do you make
of his career and now going forward? Well, this is
the problem.
Speaker 7 (19:01):
And it was painful to watch that because we got
to see just how electric can be and how much
he was making good on what everybody all the hype
coming out right, But he's paying a price for the
fact that it's taken him five years to get there,
and so the damage that he's done to his body
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playing with that electricity when he was overweight and not
in shape, he's now created problems with his body that
now being in shape, is still going to cause breakdowns
when he plays like this. And the other part is
he has to play.
Speaker 3 (19:42):
One hundred miles an hour, you know. He took one
to three and it.
Speaker 1 (19:45):
Was like cray, he doesn't have a ton of nuances.
Speaker 3 (19:47):
He has no nuance.
Speaker 7 (19:49):
He has no game outside of going and attacking the
rim the way he does, and I just even in shape,
that's not enough.
Speaker 3 (19:57):
He should be the next great.
Speaker 7 (20:00):
Like the comparisons to Lebron coming out, I mocked those
and I still mock those. But he should be the
next great point forward. But he has no game outside
of three feet. I looked at the stats, their stats
at one point on their entire team, Cody Zeller included,
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nobody takes shots closer to the rim than Zion. His
shots average three like three point eight feet. But you
know what, AD is moved to the rim. I'm okay
with that.
Speaker 3 (20:32):
He Ad he still has a mid range game.
Speaker 1 (20:34):
But Zion is not going to be a one. I
think it's established. I can't trust him physically. I think
he's a great two crown out.
Speaker 7 (20:43):
But the only way you take advantage of his unique
abilities is if you're putting the ball in his hands.
Speaker 1 (20:49):
Wait, you give me twenty seven a night? Is a two?
I mean I always said AD's the best two in
league history.
Speaker 3 (20:54):
Well, all of.
Speaker 7 (20:55):
That's fine, but I won him as the playmaker. If
I have a go to guy who was the number
one fine, But for Zion to be able to orchestrate
your offense, which is what makes him unique for his size,
he has to be able. He has to be a
threat beyond three feet from the basket. He has to
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be a threat to hit a shot from sixteen seventeen.
Speaker 3 (21:21):
Feet and that doesn't exist.
Speaker 7 (21:24):
And he's been in the league five years and he's
been injured enough where you couldn't be working on some
kind of jump shot. You couldn't be working on some
kind of set three pointer that would make you a
threat where the now. Imagine imagine if you didn't have
to meet him at the rim. Imagine if you had
to step out and contest a little bit at eighteen
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feet and beyond. Now, suddenly it opens everything up and
he doesn't have to go one hundred miles an hour
in order to get to the rim and have a shot.
But none of that exists right now. And so what
we saw was he's going to show you what he
could be, and then he's going to show you what
happens every time, which is when you play forty minutes
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at one hundred miles an hour hurt with that body, you're.
Speaker 1 (22:07):
Going to you're going to get hurt. Finally, clarity on
Clay Thompson. If you go to the last five years,
there's one title, a lot of not making the playoffs.
This is not a great roster. Where's Clay in six months?
Speaker 3 (22:21):
He'll remain a Golden State.
Speaker 1 (22:22):
Warrior and take a bit of a pay cut. I
he better.
Speaker 7 (22:26):
I mean for Clay this is he better. Take a
page from the Damian Lillard book. All that you've done
for the Golden State Warriors. If you're middling going forward,
everybody will give you the benefit of the doubt because
they will remember what you did for the Golden State Warriors.
If you go to Dallas, if you go anywhere else,
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they're gonna look at it, and you have an zero
for ten in a pivotal game, They're gonna run you
out of town.
Speaker 3 (22:55):
What did we do? Why did we spend this money?
You didn't.
Speaker 7 (22:58):
You haven't done anything for them, same reason why Milwaukee's
looking at Damian Lillard going, wait a minute, what happened
to the guy that was doing things in Portland. Klay
Thompson would be well advised to take the best deal
he can and ride this out with the Golden State Warriors,
because no one is going to love him like the
guys on that team or that fan base anywhere else.
Speaker 1 (23:20):
That good stuff. That's what they say about.
Speaker 5 (23:23):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (23:23):
No, and that's like a baseball saying nobody loves you
like your first team. Mariners love Griffy. He went to Cincinnati,
they loved him too.
Speaker 3 (23:30):
But it's different hundred percent.
Speaker 5 (23:33):
Yeah.
Speaker 7 (23:33):
Yeah, And you know what we're seeing with the Warriors.
We've seen it with dynasties.
Speaker 1 (23:38):
This is the way people.
Speaker 2 (23:39):
It's just it.
Speaker 3 (23:40):
You fade. It's okay what happens.
Speaker 1 (23:43):
As long as you get the trophies to show for it. Yeah,
it's fine.
Speaker 7 (23:46):
I mean, it's not like this show that just keeps
the dynasty, just keeps rebuilding over and over and over again.
Speaker 1 (23:53):
Just keep reinventing ourselves every second.
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Speaker 4 (24:33):
You know we don't shy away from controversy here at
the Herd. So Caitlin Clark, the Iowa Superstar number one
pick in the WNBA draft, is on the verge of
landing a massive endorsement deal, apparently under Armour and Adidas
threw the bank at her. She said no thanks, and
she took a bag from Nike. Multiple reports out there
claim it's an eight figure deal.
Speaker 1 (24:55):
Okay, she moves big money. No woman, since Cheryl or
moves this kind of a number.
Speaker 4 (25:02):
She is the biggest draw. The draft had the like
four x what the highest number ever was?
Speaker 5 (25:08):
You know?
Speaker 1 (25:08):
I mean sorry, but that's she's gonna get this and
deserves it.
Speaker 4 (25:11):
And Colin listen, I don't spend a lot of time
on social media outside of the big games, but I
was getting Texas. Are you seeing these WNBA players hating
on the Caitlin Clark deal before it was even It's
not even announced.
Speaker 6 (25:23):
It's just it's gonna happen.
Speaker 4 (25:25):
And you've got WNBA players out there say, well, wait
a minute. You know, where's the bag from Nike for
this person and this person?
Speaker 6 (25:33):
And there's all these decorated WNBA players.
Speaker 1 (25:35):
They don't move merchandise like Heylen Clark. They don't move ratings,
they don't move Most sports fans can't name five WNBA players.
The league was subsidized for twenty four years. Get over it.
The bottom line is Nike. This is what Nike does.
They make bets on athletes. That's their business. If Nike
thought somebody in the WNBA could sell a zillion shoes,
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they'd go sign them. This Nike's field a expertise, and
they don't have a lot of whiffs, they don't have
a lot of misses. She is iconic. She's Taylor Swift.
You don't really know exactly why other than talent, but
she is. When you can literally beat everything in the world,
as television is regressing as a platform American TV, when
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you can beat everything except the NFL, you beat the
World Series. This women's college basketball historically not wildly powerful
dynamic on TV, and you're beating everything, not name the NFL.
That's how you get a shoe deal. And this is
what Nike does for a living.
Speaker 4 (26:40):
A lot of people complaining on social media just don't
understand how a market works. Like we know Shack in
our time. Oh my gosh, Shaq was a dominant player.
It's not like he was driving shoe sales matter. He
was not like a number one shoes.
Speaker 8 (26:52):
It just wasn't.
Speaker 4 (26:53):
People loved Michael Jordan and I don't want to go overboard,
but we don't this Caitlin Clirk.
Speaker 6 (26:59):
She could have a Michael Jordan type and she's going
on Gimin's Sports.
Speaker 1 (27:02):
No, she's going to have a Michael Jordan impact on
the WNBA if she's as good as we think, and
she's a top five player, and that's what the odds
are saying. She's absolutely going to change the sport. People
forget this. Before Magic and Larry Bird, the NBA was
a mess. I mean, the finals were on after the
eleven o'clock news. It took start. The NBA was cooked.
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You had like there were rumors when David Stern took
it over about heavy cocaine use. There was empty arenas negative.
Oh it was the NBA was a mess and it's
like magic and bird changed everything. And by the way,
who jumped in Gatorade, Nike, conver whoever? It is McDonald's.
Like these companies, this is what they do.
Speaker 4 (27:48):
So here's what their big challenge will be. Right now,
it is all about Caitlin Clark, as it should be.
How do you start to highlight other players and push them.
You can't force anybody on people. You can't say, buy
this girl's shoes, she's the best. Well what you do.
Speaker 1 (28:03):
What you do is you put Caitlin Clark's games on TV,
and then you have your next stars on the game
after Caitlin Clark, and if they can hold fifty to
six percent of their ratings, that's good. So when you
had the Warriors, you know, in their prime, if you're
smart and you're the NBA, what game do you put
after the Warriors games? The next Luca, the next Ant.
(28:25):
So it's all a game. I mean, if you go
look at Caitlin Clark's numbers, basically she'd get huge numbers
and then like a South Carolina or a team after
would hold about sixty percent of the number. And that's
what you do. If you're the w and WNBA, this
is your moment. I'm they're absolutely they needed their Jordan. Well,
the NBA needed their Magic and Michael and they need it.
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So it's not an indictment on the WNBA. It has
never made much money or had huge ratings, but every
league needs their Outside of the NFL, brands stars and teams.
In college football, why were the numbers up last year
because Michigan was great. Michigan is a massive middle of
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the country brand and Dion Sanders as a start.
Speaker 4 (29:09):
Remember the Golden State Warriors were nothing before Steph Curry arrived.
They were not on TV all the time. Steph Curry
is a box office off. People want to see him.
Speaker 1 (29:18):
Franchises get one of these. The Bulls have had one
ever know ever the Patriots have had great players one ever.
Speaker 4 (29:26):
I don't want to hear a Deadver Nuggets fan. Why
aren't my team on TV more? Why aren't they on?
Speaker 1 (29:30):
Yo Kitch isn't moving merchandise.
Speaker 6 (29:32):
Sorry, it's just that's how we Nike.
Speaker 1 (29:34):
He paid Yo Kisch' zillion dollars a year. They don't.
He doesn't move merchandise. Are ready if Yo Kich got
Caitlin numbers and they were getting twenty eights in the NBA.
Yo Kich would get a huge shoe deal. You're not
getting one.
Speaker 6 (29:45):
That's just that's how it works.
Speaker 4 (29:46):
This Kaitlin Clark stuff is fascinating because it's just the
anger and venom and vitriol towards like she's gonna raise
the discourse on the WNBA.
Speaker 6 (29:54):
There's gonna be night we talk about WNBA on this
Nike Ever.
Speaker 1 (29:58):
Did Nike even do golf before Tiger? I don't even
know if they were in the golf game. You know,
great points.
Speaker 4 (30:04):
Next up, Jalen Hurts in the NFL going you new
his fifth season?
Speaker 6 (30:08):
How about this summer?
Speaker 1 (30:09):
Fifth year?
Speaker 4 (30:10):
Fifth offensive play caller Kellen Moore takes over as the OC.
Hurt said he's diving into learning the new system, but
also acknowledges it gonna be nice to have some consistency.
Speaker 9 (30:20):
I'm just all, there's you know, I'm a sponge, and
you know, I think there's I think there's you know,
some some beauty in the I think as a player,
I definitely yearned for the sustainability and the consistency. As
a quarterback are yearing for those things in the play
caller and the quarterback coach because you kind of see
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how consistency in those areas can breed excellence.
Speaker 4 (30:49):
Tough to succeed when you got.
Speaker 1 (30:52):
Dallas in Philadelphia beating the Commanders with Jaden Daniels.
Speaker 4 (30:56):
If it's Drake May, I will be betting Washington. Listen,
this is kind of an underplayed story. Five O season
five years.
Speaker 1 (31:05):
It's not underplayed, it's it's Philadelphia makes a lot of moves.
They usually work. The last two assistants didn't. The previous
two to that were great. They're now head coaches.
Speaker 4 (31:14):
Oh, by the way, the head coaches on the hot seat,
they just fire. You got to get rid of both
of his OC and DC, and you know what happens
after that, the coach is gone. So it could be
six year six O c's next year for Jalen Hurt's
final story.
Speaker 6 (31:28):
Is Caleb Williams.
Speaker 4 (31:29):
Expectations very high for his transition into the NFL. Bears
are hoping he can be their franchise guy. But an
anonymous scout you love anonymous scouts this time of the year,
thinks Caleb can go even further.
Speaker 6 (31:40):
The scout said, Caleb is the one player in.
Speaker 4 (31:43):
This class that is most likely to become a Hall
of Famer. I would disagree a Hall of.
Speaker 1 (31:52):
Yeah, I've got a vote. I've already got him on
my ballot.
Speaker 4 (31:56):
I would if you asking me one guy, I would
go Marvin Harrison, Well him, you can have more than one.
Speaker 1 (32:01):
I would say, Marvin Harrison safer.
Speaker 4 (32:03):
Yeah, quarterbacks, so much has to.
Speaker 3 (32:06):
Go right, Yeah?
Speaker 5 (32:07):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (32:08):
Coach scheme o line.
Speaker 4 (32:09):
I mean, you know we just said Jalen Hurts five
five years, five ocs. I what fifty per chance that
ibra flus is dusted and there's a new coach in
a new OC next year.
Speaker 1 (32:19):
You know, Hall of Fame is ten letters. Okay, remember
that thing Caleb put on his fingernails about Utah. People
were outraged. What if Game one He's got Hall of
Fame on his fingernails painted? I like that well color whatever.
Speaker 6 (32:35):
He wants his pink people would be outraged.
Speaker 1 (32:38):
That'd be so great.
Speaker 6 (32:39):
I p he had the phone case.
Speaker 1 (32:40):
Remember, all of fame fits perfectly. Ten letters, ten fingers.
Speaker 4 (32:45):
That's almost like John Wall doing the Dougie when he
came in.
Speaker 6 (32:48):
He remember that.
Speaker 4 (32:49):
That's one of your top five takes in the history
of the show, dating back to the other network. John
Wall doing the Dougie on Opening Night and you shredded
him and it was pretty freaking awesome.
Speaker 1 (32:59):
J Mack with the News.
Speaker 2 (33:00):
Well, that's the news, and thanks for stopping by, all.
Speaker 1 (33:04):
Right, Michael Pennocks. It was first in college football. I'm
looking at these stats in virtually everything. Kid through for
forty nine hundred yards, ten three hundred yard games, fifty
one deep completions. He was number one and virtually everything.
He's next.
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Speaker 1 (33:55):
Well, he led college football in virtually every category as
a kid. I grew up a husk grew up in
the Pacific Northwest, and Michael Pennix is as good a
quarterback as they have ever had. He is joining us
live now from his college apartment. Look at that, the
college apartment in the Pacific Northwest. So first of all,
let's start with this. Do you care where you're drafted?
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Is there a team or an offense? Maybe Michael that
that it works for you in your opinion.
Speaker 8 (34:23):
To I really don't care, you know, I'm just excited
for the opportunity. You know, that's something I've been dreaming
out since I was a little kid. So, you know,
to be able to play in the National Football League,
you know, that's that's that's just a dream come true
for me.
Speaker 5 (34:35):
So I'm gonna take advantage of every opportunity.
Speaker 1 (34:38):
You throw the best deep ball in college football. You
led the sport with fifty one deep completions. Were you
always somebody you know, lefties are different. Were you always
somebody that felt that was good? Or is this developed
or was this always part of your game?
Speaker 8 (34:56):
I feel like as a little kid, I used to
always throw the go ball. You know, I was I
think you know, I was running affirmation. I was under
the center as a kid too, So I three step
drop as a kid and throw the go ball. So
it's been in me all my life. But I mean, obviously,
you know, just getting relationships with your receivers and you know,
putting in the offseason work, you know, it develops it
even more and put you at the next level doing it.
Speaker 1 (35:18):
So Roma Dunza is a tremendous player. He and what
I like about him, he's all football. He's really a
grown up. Let's take tell our audience. Uh, he may
go to the Jets at ten, He's gonna go somewhere
very high. What would an NFL team be getting. Tell
me about his personality, his game, his routes in Roma Dunze.
Speaker 8 (35:39):
Yeah, so Roma doomsay. You know, but man, he's man.
He's the best receiver in the draft. You know, he's
the complete practice you know, he's everything you want to
a receiver. The way he works, you know, day in
and day out. You know in practice, you know he's
gonna show in the game. You know, That's why I
feel like, you know, with all my guys, you know,
it just made it so easy in the game because
of how hard they worked in practice. You know, you
get high caliber guy you know like that. You know,
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sometimes you might feel like they could take a rep,
take a rep off in practice, you know, on a
run play or something, but like none of our receivers
they were in those guys. You know, they're catching the
ball there, spreaying twenty thirty yards after the catch each
and every time they get the ball there blocking blocking hard,
you know, just not taking any place off, you know,
and that that just speaks careter.
Speaker 5 (36:19):
And you know, obviously.
Speaker 8 (36:20):
Whenever they do that, it translates to the football field,
and Rome does it the best.
Speaker 1 (36:24):
So so you obviously are a great athlete. You had
some injuries in Indiana and you became what's known as
sort of a pocket quarterback. But you're clearly fast. You
ran a forty in the combine, So for you, you
could run more, but you don't. Is it hard for you,
knowing you're fast, you used to run a lot more
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and now you don't. Is it tough for you to
sometimes just stick in the pocket or is it made
you a better quarterback because you're now more patient?
Speaker 8 (36:56):
I mean, for me to be honest, when I got
to college, I don't feel like I was ever a
big runner.
Speaker 5 (37:01):
You know, like you you don't see me running too much.
Speaker 8 (37:04):
You know, when I first got to college either, So
like if you watch my high school tape, then yeah,
I'll be like, okay, y'all ran more. But once I
got to college, you know, it was that for me.
I always want to hilight the guys around me. You know,
I feel like I'm the best at elevating everybody around me,
and that's what I look to do each and every day.
So you know, I got the best receivers in the league,
and I had the best officer line, so you know,
it's no sense for me to run around. And you know,
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if I don't got to do it my legs, I
could do on my arm. You know, it's easy to
do that. You know, I got everybody else, you know,
excited knowing that the ball can come to them at
any point in time. So you know, for me, it's
just about you know, just my process and ability. You know,
I get through my redes real fast, so you know,
I get to the point where, you know, if I
do got to run, I can you know, like you said,
you know, I showed it up at the pro day.
But if I don't got to run, I got these
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guys around me. I make sure I like them with
the ball and get them in the best position to be great.
Speaker 1 (37:53):
So you played in a lot of big games. Husky
sell out their games, it's a pro environment. Did you
think playing in these big games Texas, Michigan, Oregon Husky
Stadium did it help you in your opinion?
Speaker 8 (38:10):
I mean yeah, you know, obviously, and then going to
the next level, you know, it definitely prepares you for that.
You know, each and every game you're gonna be playing
against the best. You know, that's what it is at
the next uh, at the next level. So you know,
definitely playing in these games, UH, definitely prepared me for
you know, the next level.
Speaker 5 (38:26):
And it got me better.
Speaker 8 (38:27):
You know, it allowed me to process even faster, you know,
just slow the game down, you know, just go out
there and make big time plays like me and my
team did each and every week.
Speaker 5 (38:36):
So I would say, so.
Speaker 1 (38:38):
When teams ask you about your injuries, what did you
say about it?
Speaker 5 (38:44):
Yeah?
Speaker 8 (38:44):
Man, for me, for me, I feel like there's just
a bad luck, you know, and obviously offer all my
injuries and know I was coming off of, you know,
an injury each and every every year, so it was tough.
Speaker 5 (38:54):
I didn't get off seasons.
Speaker 8 (38:55):
You know, I haven't had off season, uh since my
since I first got to college, until I got to Washington,
you know, so I feel like, you know, having those
two off seasons at Washington, you know, being able to
get strong in the weight room, you know, on the
field and stuff like that, it definitely helps, you know.
But at the same time, you know, I really don't
focus on that, you know, at this point, it's out
of my control.
Speaker 5 (39:14):
You know.
Speaker 8 (39:15):
I just hope a team know what they're gonna get
out of me, and that's a winner and somebody that's
gonna elevate everybody around around me. So at the end
of the day, I got all my medical records came in,
everything came clear, you know, So I saw different doctors
you know that that gave me, gave me the check
marks that I'm clear to go.
Speaker 5 (39:30):
So at this point, it's not in my it's not
in my hands.
Speaker 1 (39:33):
So I think the Seahawks are gonna draft you. What
if you stay? Your parents are in Florida. A lot
of guys like warm Weather. What if the Seahawks draft you?
You like that fit, and.
Speaker 8 (39:44):
Man, I'll be excited for any fit, you know, I'll
be excited for it all. You know, I'm just like
I said, man, I'm just blessed for the opportunity, you know.
But obviously the city of Seattle, they they've been great
to me since I've been here, and I know that
the Seattle fans, I would love that, you know. But
for me, you know, I'm just excited for the opportunity
and wherever I go, I can guarantee I'm going to
make the most out of out of the opportunity.
Speaker 1 (40:05):
So Michael Pennix junior good Luck six years Indiana Hoosiers
four Huskies two, basically set the records last year passing yards,
three hundred yard games, deep completions, big time throws. According
to PFF, a joy to watch, Michael good Luck. Appreciate
you stopping by.
Speaker 5 (40:22):
Yeah, sir, I appreciate you.
Speaker 1 (40:24):
You bet by the way that thank you. That college
apartment's way nicer than mine, way nicer than mine. Not bad, Yeah,
I mean, I think we both feel the same way.
Pro offense, NFL receivers throws the prettiest deep ball. You
got the same performance, I cautioned people when they go
well the Michigan Michigan was like playing Georgia. The last
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several years, a lot of good quarterbacks in college look
bad against Georgia like now CJ. Stroud didn't. But it's
like Michigan had eighteen pro football players, Washington probably had
about six.
Speaker 4 (40:58):
Do we need to remind people how Josh Allen looked
in college?
Speaker 1 (41:02):
I saw him play Oregon in Iowa. I was offering
and I turned in six. No, I turned in for
those gamescause everybody, yeah, watch Josh Allen. So I watched,
like the Oregon game. I'm like, oh, it's like Michigan
made a lot of people. Look, Michigan made Ohio States
offense the last couple of years. In the second half
looked like Minnesota'.
Speaker 6 (41:21):
I'm about to kill ab Williams. Look against Notre Dame.
Speaker 4 (41:25):
Turnover machine, couldn't move the football, Like, are we gonna
write him off because of one start?
Speaker 1 (41:29):
Like yeah, the settle down a lot of judgers out there,
that's not what we do. We are into the data
and analytics. It's funny about this. Every draft I feel
the same way they're all gonna work. I don't know
every single one. Every I'm like, oh, that's gonna work.
That's gonna work. Maybe it's because of my overly optimistic, happy,
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joyful tone in America. But I look at these guys
and I can see a case where I don't love
JJ McCarthy, But he goes to Kevin O'Connell. Bo Nicks
has limitations, he goes to Sean Payton, Jade and Daniels
a little spindily, but he gets Cliff Kingsbury, Like I
can see all of these works. If you give me
Pennix in Seattle with those receivers and his college offensive coordinator,
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it's gonna work.
Speaker 5 (42:15):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (42:15):
Remember when I hyped Zach Wilson as the Mormon mahomes
on this show.
Speaker 1 (42:18):
I remember that maybe my.
Speaker 6 (42:19):
Best call ever. No, that was a joke, obviously, I
did say that though Mormon Mahomes.
Speaker 1 (42:24):
Where they land is overwhelmingly gonna dictate their success, and
I can see they land in the right spots. I
think it's hard for any of these guys in New
England with that lack of weaponry. Hour three neckt
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Here we go, it's our two. What a day today,
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Tomorrow's headlines Today by jamac Today bringing it on a Thursday.
He's bailing on us. He's got a lot of plans
over the weekend. You are a mover and a shaker
this weekend in Music City.
Speaker 3 (00:44):
No such thing.
Speaker 4 (00:44):
I don't even know what Music City is, but it's
a bummer. No nbaight tonight on Thursday. They used to
be like the NBA night all season.
Speaker 5 (00:51):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (00:52):
I love watching these. Last night watching the Sixers. Watched
every second of that. Man maybe Tooby White bullsk I watched.
I've watched every second of these. It's fun.
Speaker 4 (01:01):
So the movie to check out is Doune and then
you can go see Dune too in the theater.
Speaker 6 (01:05):
You check out Dunton, I guarantee.
Speaker 2 (01:06):
You love it.
Speaker 1 (01:07):
When you love your life, you don't need fantasy involved
in it. Very happy with my life. I don't need
dragons and scorpions and flying soccers. There's no escapism for me.
Speaker 4 (01:19):
You don't like to get away for two hours and
watch a movie make you think a little bit.
Speaker 1 (01:23):
I do true crime on Netflix. I do documentaries, true crime,
real life, not doing all that fake sorcerer stuff. You
go watch your Wizards and Sorcerers. Harry guy, here's got
his feet on the ground. Okay, could I be more obnoxious? Okay?
So this is I do two a couple of mock drafts,
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and the reason I don't do them is nobody knows anything.
I mean, we kind of know the best players. But
I did include I was not gonna include a trade,
and then I thought, wait a minute, I'm playing GM.
So I believe the Chargers absolutely want to move back.
They want to accumulate more picks, They've got more needs,
and they think Jim's gonna ace this draft because his
excellent knowing personnel, Jim being Harbaugh. So here we go.
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I'm gonna go one through twelve, fire away. The easiest
slam dunk pick probably sent Andrew Luck and Trevor Lawrence.
Bears get Caleb Williams. The only franchise that's never had
a four thousand yard passer, which doesn't even sound right.
How many not have one four thousand yard passer? All
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you know I need to know about this kid one
hundred and twenty touchdowns and fourteen picks in three years.
He's a machine. He is the closest thing to Mahomes.
There's nothing I don't like about him. He can sometimes
lean into the spectacular. I don't care. Bears could use
some spectacular. Caleb goes one. I would take Jaden Daniels
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if I was Washington. I think he works with Cliff Kingsbury.
It's a shaky O line, shaky run game. He is
in a electric runner and a beautiful downfield rower. He's
the only player in SEC history. Now here's the other advantage.
Drake May played in the lousy conference. This kid played
in the SEC and is the only SEC quarterback to
have forty plus touchdown passes and ten plus rushing tds
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in a season. Cam Newton played in this conference, Joe Burrow,
Matt Stafford, the Mannings. This kid is a very unique talent.
I think he's gonna crush it here. I worry about
little Spindie, which he was bigger. No perfect players. So
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I've gone back and forth on this. I think I
would go get Drake May. It's not gonna be pretty.
He'll probably sit until Thanksgiving behind Jacoby Brissett. But they
had the worst scoring offense in the league. And do
you want to go three and thirteen, three and fourteen.
I'd get Drake May there. Next year is not a
good quarterback draft. Also, he led the ACE in passing
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back to back years. I think you got to get
him in house. Worry about You can get receivers second, third, fourth, fifth,
sixth round. Also, when you're at the top of rounds,
you can move back in any round and accumulate more picks.
But there's not going to be Drake May in the second, third, fourth,
fifth round or perhaps next year. So I'd get Drake May.
Inconsistency bothers me, but he does look like Justin Herbert.
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He's a big, strong kid that moves. Let's take him.
I would take Marvin Harrison Arizona's got picks. They've got
a great quarterback, a running back, guy like a tight end.
I like they this would be the best since DeAndre Hopkins,
the best receiver since DeAndre Hopkins. I also seek think Harrison,
along with Randy Moss and Calvin Johnson, is the best
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college receiver I've ever seen. I think he'll be a
star Rookie of the Year candidate year one. I mean
he's you know, he's not as fast as Randy Moss. Again,
they're no perfect players in the league, all right, Randy
bounced around a little. His temperament wasn't perfect for every
coach or every team. I think Harrison's amazing. I think.
I mean I watched him the minute he got hurt,
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they were gonna beat Georgia. He got hurt, won the
same team and they had CJ. Stroud. Okay, I just
think he says just I mean, Ohio State has all
five star receivers and he stands out above all of them.
So when you can stand out above the rest of
those cats, you're pretty good. Okay, I'm gonna make my
one trade. I think the reason the Vikings got two
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picks was to move up, and I think the Chargers
absolutely want to move down, but not too far down.
I have the Vikings coming up to five, the Chargers
going back to eleven, and I think they're gonna take
JJ McCarthy, who is moving into a furnished apartment the Vikings.
He didn't have to play. He can sit behind Darnol.
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They have the tall Sean McVay as a coach, best
young left tackle in football, best receiver in football, top
five running back, great number two receiver, top five or
six or seven tight end. I think they have a
good old line. It was like PFF Top twelve thirteen.
This is the furnished apartment in the NFL for a quarterback.
They got everything. You don't even have to play for
a year. I don't think JJ McCarthy has a big
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time arm. I don't think he has a big time
NFL body does Kirk Cousins. You can win a lot
of games. And remember, because you get rid of Cousins salary,
you could add pieces, so you're gonna get Basically, I
think kind of a Kirk Cousins level prospect better than
I think he's a better player than Kirk was, but
a Kirk Cousins without the salary. You goin a lot
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of games in this league doing that. The Giants I
think would love to have gotten a quarterback, but I
don't think they have the ability to move up and
give up draft capital. They need players, and they solve
a big issue. They get Malik Neighbors, the receiver from LSU.
LSU is a receiver factory. This kid is big time,
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OBJ explosive. Listen, they need a lot of stuff. Now
with Sakwan Barkley, it's gonna be bumpy. They're gonna be
back in the top five or six next year. But
this is like jump off the TV fast. I mean again,
when you're at LSU and you're playing against George's Bamas
and all these SEC schools, and you turn on a
TV and it was this what I saw with Jamar Chase,
and you're like, who's that guy? When you can stand
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out in the SEC, you're I mean, Marvin Harrison in
the Big ten outside of a Michigan, he's gonna be
better than everybody else. But this kid is special. By
the way, the Giants, I think we're ranked thirtieth in
yards after the catch, so they get no exper yards.
Now you got rid of your star running back. You
need yards after the catch, and this is what he provides.
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The Titans get Joe allt left tackle, worst offensive line
in the league. I don't know if will Levis is
gonna work, but the only chance he's gonna work is
he's not on his back, So they're gonna get Joe Alt.
I think Joe alta very good prospect. He is not
Trent Williams. He's not Jonathan Ogden. He's gonna make a
couple of Pro Bowls. He's very good. The people I
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talked to in the league think he's the best left
tackle in a good class, but they don't think he
quite has the ceiling of others. But you got to
salt left tackle. I mean, if will Levis is gonna work,
you got to give to get a fair shot. You
got to keep him up right.
Speaker 2 (08:16):
Uh Da.
Speaker 1 (08:17):
Falcons go with Dallas Turner, who was the best edge
rusher in the SEC. And that's saying something. He was
the SEC defensive player of the year. Bama does edge
rushers really well and receivers well. Listen, Saban loves him.
Great player. He's not gonna have a glossy in numbers
as other weaker conferences you got NFL offensive tackles in
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the SEC. He's a really good player. Remember when Will
Anderson came out, people nitpicked. He's been a really good player.
And I love Atlanta's direction right now. The only thing
they haven't had a double digit sack guy since like
Vic Beasley, Atlanta didn't have a ton of needs. I
think Atlanta's gonna win that division and very quickly is
going to surprise people. I think the Bears are gonna
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go get help on the edge with Jared Verse, who
was a monster. He had eighteen sacks the last couple
of years at Florida State. He's great and maybe this
is a reach by five or six spots, but there's
just not The draft gives you two or three good
edg rushers every year, and he's one of them. I
don't buy they need another receiver. They got Keenan Allen,
two good tight ends, nice back DeAndre Swift, Dj Moore.
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They don't need another receiver. They can get that in
the third, fourth, fifth round. It's a great receiver draft.
You're not gonna get an edge rusher anywhere in the draft.
If Dallas Turner's gone like this kid watched him play
three or four times, stands out on TV, jumps out
on TV, big time player, Montes Sweat. They got a
great corner Jalen Johnson. Now they have somebody to go
with him. I think that's the pick. So I'm the Jets.
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I'm gonna go with the rome o'donze. And here's why.
He's very mature, ready to play. You get no ego
with a kid. He's just a terrific player. I watched
him play live, I saw him play fifteen times. I
just think he's a grown up. Good routes, a little
Devonte Adams. When you go to New York, it's noisy.
This kid is all football, no nonsense, total grown up,
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wants to be a football player. And I think with
the Jets in their noise, he could go into New
York City. Garrett Wilson, you know I'm not Mike Williams
is talented but can't stay healthy. Generally speaking, Aaron Rodgers
Brady don't love young receivers. But this kid is like
an old twenty three. He's gonna walk in be a
really nice player, a real pro, and that's what the
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Jets need. Chargers in that trade with Minnesota now at
eleven get Taalasi Funaga. He is the Oregon State right tackle.
So they have Rashaun Slater at left tackle. He's the
best run blocker in the draft. What does Jim Harball
want to create a more run dominant Baltimore raven like
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offense to let Herbert throw on play action? So this kid,
I was told by somebody in the NFL, you can
almost not find a single play from his college career
where he didn't win on run blocking assignments. He is
the best run blocking tackle probably since maybe a Tristan
Wurfs who went to Tampa and crushed it right tackle.
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Culture is everything to Harbaugh. This kid is a maller.
They'll have both tackles, and justin Herbert, I think Denver
and Sean Payton, I think bow Nicks works for what
they want to do. A lot of underneath stuff. Stay
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on script sixty one college starts twenty two and five
with Oregon. Is he gonna move around a lot? No,
there is some Drew Breeze qualities a lot of college starts.
Highly productive, very coachable, super accurate. Not gonna run around though,
like Gree's early in his career. He can move. He
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is an excellent decision maker who at Oregon mostly stayed
on script, lower ceiling. But I think he works with
Sean Payton. I think what Sean wants to create is
a ball control offense. He souped up the offensive line
last year. He's got a running back he likes. I
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think bow Knicks is a fit. JJ McCarthy don't love him.
I think he fits Minnesota. Bow Knicks fits little bit
of a reach. What I've said before, I'm willing, I'm
willing to reach. I'm willing to do a little reaching.
All right, let's bring in Rick Buker. As we talked
NFL and my mock draft. I want to get to
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Rick in a couple of big topics here, as we
have Michael Pennix at the end of this hour. Rickett
is great to see you as always. Let's pivot to
basketball here. So the Sixers win MBD in the fourth quarter.
It was a classic playoff game. It's close. Miami and
Philly play close, and then Nick Nurse says, let's get
to the best player on the floor. They did, they won. Yeah,
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So my takeaway is now they go to New York.
Now I'm gonna take Philly in this series. I think
I think New York's a better story than a team.
But there's a lot of people that like the Knicks
in this series. What say you one of them? You
like Nicks?
Speaker 3 (13:17):
Yes, I do, And a lot of it has.
Speaker 7 (13:19):
To do with what I'm seeing from mbid even last night.
This is a Miami team that has absolutely no size.
They didn't have Terry Rozier last night, they didn't have
Duncan Robinson, and you get Jimmy Butler hurt early on
playing on what some are believing that is, you know,
a damaged mcl and yet they they struggled to put
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them away. And what I've seen of mb since he's
been back is a laboring guy who's left knee looks wonky,
and I don't know how that improves over the course
of these playoffs. And when I look at what the
Knicks have been with og Anaobi Hartenstein has given them
great minutes at the center position, and their leadership with
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Jalen Brunson and the chemistry, I think we are sleeping
on the.
Speaker 3 (14:09):
New York Knicks. I could.
Speaker 7 (14:11):
I've never said this before, and it feels a little
weird having it come out of my mouth, but I
give them a puncher's chance of being in the NBA
Finals this year.
Speaker 1 (14:21):
Wow. Yeah, So it's like, but you know what, who
said that Julius Randall gets hurt. It allows them to run.
They don't have to create these sort of inauthentic touches. Hey,
let's get because a lot of times in the NBA,
the number two guy wants his touches.
Speaker 5 (14:35):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (14:36):
Absolutely, they don't have to do that anymore. Jalen gets
more touches. He's a more efficient player and a better
offensive player. Do you worry about not having a dependable
number two score?
Speaker 7 (14:45):
I don't in this case because they have an array
of guys, the chemist that Villanova chemistry that they have
with all those guys, they just play off of each other,
and Jalen is a willing passer. What I worry a
little bit is that that they are.
Speaker 3 (15:00):
Brunson centric, Like, oh yeah, if he's not on.
Speaker 1 (15:04):
The floor, it's kind of just function.
Speaker 3 (15:06):
They're offense really falls apart.
Speaker 5 (15:08):
So but.
Speaker 7 (15:10):
He's been able to stay on the floor, So I'm
okay with that. I mean, you look across the league.
Every team, in one way or another, has a certain flaw,
especially in the Eastern Conference.
Speaker 3 (15:24):
And the Boston.
Speaker 7 (15:25):
Celtics flaw is just a little harder to see because
they're just so loaded with talent.
Speaker 1 (15:30):
So I was saying, if you take away the top
seven or eight players in the league that will not
get traded, Luca Sga and those teams are not Those
are cornerstone players, Jason Tatum their cornerstone. Then the next
twelve guys are really gifted, but they're flawed. Kyrie Irving temperament,
Trey Young defensively a little wild. So if you I
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think Trey Young is in that next twelve, not the
top eight where oh there's juice there, there's special stuff. Yeah,
But then in those with those players, it becomes about fit.
Luca's just gonna get his, Yanna's gonna get his. Then
it becomes about it'll work Kyrie with Luca, but it's
gotta be a fit. Yes, I and Trey Young and
Kyrie we both acknowledge you're great. But there's been there's stuff. Sure, Okay,
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So my take is last night when Atlanta lost, the
Lakers won because to Jontay Murray, they gave up three
first round picks. When Trey's off the floor, he averages
twenty six and ten there's your guy, but he doesn't.
It doesn't work with Trey the Lakers. Everybody in the
West that's legitimate has a great twenty year old except
the Lakers. Austin Reeves is not a great twenty year old. Yeah,
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he's good. Yeah, And it's like Dallas Mini Sack. Then
everybody's got one. You gotta have one. The Lakers don't
need more old and expensive. I think Trey Young to
the Lakers works. Then Atlanta gets size. But I think
with Ad protecting the rim, Lebron a good distributor. I
think Trey Young the Laker works.
Speaker 7 (16:57):
You, yes, yes, but they're One of the great issues
that the Lakers have is that their perimeter defense is
just so bad. Anthony Davis has to do so much
work to protect you from Austin Reeves. And I mean
they give an effort, but you got d Angelo Russell,
Austin Reeves. Lebron James only plays defense half the time.
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I mean, they don't have defense on the perimeter. And
Trey Young only exacerbates that. So yes, in terms of
scoring and his fit with Lebron and AD, I see that.
But and then the other part is you're gonna have
to give up a number of pieces. So you're giving
up Austin Reeves, You're probably giving up Ruey Hatch Muraw.
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You're gonna have to give up some stuff to get him.
Is Trey Young is the is the trio of Trey Young,
A D and Lebron.
Speaker 3 (17:48):
That's pretty good, okay? Is it so good?
Speaker 7 (17:51):
Well, it's a bit compensates for all of the other
pieces that you're losing.
Speaker 1 (17:56):
I'm gonna die on this hill. I'll give up Auston
Reeves and Ruie for an electric twenty five year old
that has real big league juice. I'll die on that hill.
Speaker 3 (18:06):
Okay, you can't. You can't. I'm not going to die
on it with you. I'm not.
Speaker 7 (18:12):
I think Trey Young has made the most out of
what he is. I'm not convinced that he's a winning team,
a winning player, or that his numbers are winning numbers.
I think he gets very gaudy numbers.
Speaker 1 (18:24):
So it's interesting. I'm watching it so funny. The other night,
Barkley went on the air and said, give me forty tonight, Zion,
this is your moment.
Speaker 5 (18:32):
I don't want to hear an.
Speaker 1 (18:32):
Excuses, And he goes out and gives you a forty
and he's great. The Lakers got a huge break. He
was taking over the game, and then he gets hurt.
And I was saying to Jmek yesterday or today before,
I said, literally, the scouts were absolutely spot on. They said,
he'll be unbelievable when he's get his weight, when he's
in shape, and when he's not hurt. And I'm like,
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that's exactly what I get. Yet, what do you make
of his career and now going forward? Well, this is
the problem.
Speaker 7 (19:01):
And it was painful to watch that because we got
to see just how electric can be and how much
he was making good on what everybody all the hype
coming out right, But he's paying a price for the
fact that it's taken him five years to get there,
and so the damage that he's done to his body
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playing with that electricity when he was overweight and not
in shape, he's now created problems with his body that
now being in shape, is still going to cause breakdowns
when he plays like this. And the other part is
he has to play.
Speaker 3 (19:42):
One hundred miles an hour, you know. He took one
to three and it.
Speaker 1 (19:45):
Was like cray, he doesn't have a ton of nuances.
Speaker 3 (19:47):
He has no nuance.
Speaker 7 (19:49):
He has no game outside of going and attacking the
rim the way he does, and I just even in shape,
that's not enough.
Speaker 3 (19:57):
He should be the next great.
Speaker 7 (20:00):
Like the comparisons to Lebron coming out, I mocked those
and I still mock those. But he should be the
next great point forward. But he has no game outside
of three feet. I looked at the stats, their stats
at one point on their entire team, Cody Zeller included,
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nobody takes shots closer to the rim than Zion. His
shots average three like three point eight feet. But you
know what, AD is moved to the rim. I'm okay
with that.
Speaker 3 (20:32):
He Ad he still has a mid range game.
Speaker 1 (20:34):
But Zion is not going to be a one. I
think it's established. I can't trust him physically. I think
he's a great two crown out.
Speaker 7 (20:43):
But the only way you take advantage of his unique
abilities is if you're putting the ball in his hands.
Speaker 1 (20:49):
Wait, you give me twenty seven a night? Is a two?
I mean I always said AD's the best two in
league history.
Speaker 3 (20:54):
Well, all of.
Speaker 7 (20:55):
That's fine, but I won him as the playmaker. If
I have a go to guy who was the number
one fine, But for Zion to be able to orchestrate
your offense, which is what makes him unique for his size,
he has to be able. He has to be a
threat beyond three feet from the basket. He has to
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be a threat to hit a shot from sixteen seventeen.
Speaker 3 (21:21):
Feet and that doesn't exist.
Speaker 7 (21:24):
And he's been in the league five years and he's
been injured enough where you couldn't be working on some
kind of jump shot. You couldn't be working on some
kind of set three pointer that would make you a
threat where the now. Imagine imagine if you didn't have
to meet him at the rim. Imagine if you had
to step out and contest a little bit at eighteen
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feet and beyond. Now, suddenly it opens everything up and
he doesn't have to go one hundred miles an hour
in order to get to the rim and have a shot.
But none of that exists right now. And so what
we saw was he's going to show you what he
could be, and then he's going to show you what
happens every time, which is when you play forty minutes
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at one hundred miles an hour hurt with that body, you're.
Speaker 1 (22:07):
Going to you're going to get hurt. Finally, clarity on
Clay Thompson. If you go to the last five years,
there's one title, a lot of not making the playoffs.
This is not a great roster. Where's Clay in six months?
Speaker 3 (22:21):
He'll remain a Golden State.
Speaker 1 (22:22):
Warrior and take a bit of a pay cut. I
he better.
Speaker 7 (22:26):
I mean for Clay this is he better. Take a
page from the Damian Lillard book. All that you've done
for the Golden State Warriors. If you're middling going forward,
everybody will give you the benefit of the doubt because
they will remember what you did for the Golden State Warriors.
If you go to Dallas, if you go anywhere else,
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they're gonna look at it, and you have an zero
for ten in a pivotal game, They're gonna run you
out of town.
Speaker 3 (22:55):
What did we do? Why did we spend this money?
You didn't.
Speaker 7 (22:58):
You haven't done anything for them, same reason why Milwaukee's
looking at Damian Lillard going, wait a minute, what happened
to the guy that was doing things in Portland. Klay
Thompson would be well advised to take the best deal
he can and ride this out with the Golden State Warriors,
because no one is going to love him like the
guys on that team or that fan base anywhere else.
Speaker 1 (23:20):
That good stuff. That's what they say about.
Speaker 5 (23:23):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (23:23):
No, and that's like a baseball saying nobody loves you
like your first team. Mariners love Griffy. He went to Cincinnati,
they loved him too.
Speaker 3 (23:30):
But it's different hundred percent.
Speaker 5 (23:33):
Yeah.
Speaker 7 (23:33):
Yeah, And you know what we're seeing with the Warriors.
We've seen it with dynasties.
Speaker 1 (23:38):
This is the way people.
Speaker 2 (23:39):
It's just it.
Speaker 3 (23:40):
You fade. It's okay what happens.
Speaker 1 (23:43):
As long as you get the trophies to show for it. Yeah,
it's fine.
Speaker 7 (23:46):
I mean, it's not like this show that just keeps
the dynasty, just keeps rebuilding over and over and over again.
Speaker 1 (23:53):
Just keep reinventing ourselves every second.
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Speaker 4 (24:33):
You know we don't shy away from controversy here at
the Herd. So Caitlin Clark, the Iowa Superstar number one
pick in the WNBA draft, is on the verge of
landing a massive endorsement deal, apparently under Armour and Adidas
threw the bank at her. She said no thanks, and
she took a bag from Nike. Multiple reports out there
claim it's an eight figure deal.
Speaker 1 (24:55):
Okay, she moves big money. No woman, since Cheryl or
moves this kind of a number.
Speaker 4 (25:02):
She is the biggest draw. The draft had the like
four x what the highest number ever was?
Speaker 5 (25:08):
You know?
Speaker 1 (25:08):
I mean sorry, but that's she's gonna get this and
deserves it.
Speaker 4 (25:11):
And Colin listen, I don't spend a lot of time
on social media outside of the big games, but I
was getting Texas. Are you seeing these WNBA players hating
on the Caitlin Clark deal before it was even It's
not even announced.
Speaker 6 (25:23):
It's just it's gonna happen.
Speaker 4 (25:25):
And you've got WNBA players out there say, well, wait
a minute. You know, where's the bag from Nike for
this person and this person?
Speaker 6 (25:33):
And there's all these decorated WNBA players.
Speaker 1 (25:35):
They don't move merchandise like Heylen Clark. They don't move ratings,
they don't move Most sports fans can't name five WNBA players.
The league was subsidized for twenty four years. Get over it.
The bottom line is Nike. This is what Nike does.
They make bets on athletes. That's their business. If Nike
thought somebody in the WNBA could sell a zillion shoes,
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they'd go sign them. This Nike's field a expertise, and
they don't have a lot of whiffs, they don't have
a lot of misses. She is iconic. She's Taylor Swift.
You don't really know exactly why other than talent, but
she is. When you can literally beat everything in the world,
as television is regressing as a platform American TV, when
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you can beat everything except the NFL, you beat the
World Series. This women's college basketball historically not wildly powerful
dynamic on TV, and you're beating everything, not name the NFL.
That's how you get a shoe deal. And this is
what Nike does for a living.
Speaker 4 (26:40):
A lot of people complaining on social media just don't
understand how a market works. Like we know Shack in
our time. Oh my gosh, Shaq was a dominant player.
It's not like he was driving shoe sales matter. He
was not like a number one shoes.
Speaker 8 (26:52):
It just wasn't.
Speaker 4 (26:53):
People loved Michael Jordan and I don't want to go overboard,
but we don't this Caitlin Clirk.
Speaker 6 (26:59):
She could have a Michael Jordan type and she's going
on Gimin's Sports.
Speaker 1 (27:02):
No, she's going to have a Michael Jordan impact on
the WNBA if she's as good as we think, and
she's a top five player, and that's what the odds
are saying. She's absolutely going to change the sport. People
forget this. Before Magic and Larry Bird, the NBA was
a mess. I mean, the finals were on after the
eleven o'clock news. It took start. The NBA was cooked.
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You had like there were rumors when David Stern took
it over about heavy cocaine use. There was empty arenas negative.
Oh it was the NBA was a mess and it's
like magic and bird changed everything. And by the way,
who jumped in Gatorade, Nike, conver whoever? It is McDonald's.
Like these companies, this is what they do.
Speaker 4 (27:48):
So here's what their big challenge will be. Right now,
it is all about Caitlin Clark, as it should be.
How do you start to highlight other players and push them.
You can't force anybody on people. You can't say, buy
this girl's shoes, she's the best. Well what you do.
Speaker 1 (28:03):
What you do is you put Caitlin Clark's games on TV,
and then you have your next stars on the game
after Caitlin Clark, and if they can hold fifty to
six percent of their ratings, that's good. So when you
had the Warriors, you know, in their prime, if you're
smart and you're the NBA, what game do you put
after the Warriors games? The next Luca, the next Ant.
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So it's all a game. I mean, if you go
look at Caitlin Clark's numbers, basically she'd get huge numbers
and then like a South Carolina or a team after
would hold about sixty percent of the number. And that's
what you do. If you're the w and WNBA, this
is your moment. I'm they're absolutely they needed their Jordan. Well,
the NBA needed their Magic and Michael and they need it.
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So it's not an indictment on the WNBA. It has
never made much money or had huge ratings, but every
league needs their Outside of the NFL, brands stars and teams.
In college football, why were the numbers up last year
because Michigan was great. Michigan is a massive middle of
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the country brand and Dion Sanders as a start.
Speaker 4 (29:09):
Remember the Golden State Warriors were nothing before Steph Curry arrived.
They were not on TV all the time. Steph Curry
is a box office off. People want to see him.
Speaker 1 (29:18):
Franchises get one of these. The Bulls have had one
ever know ever the Patriots have had great players one ever.
Speaker 4 (29:26):
I don't want to hear a Deadver Nuggets fan. Why
aren't my team on TV more? Why aren't they on?
Speaker 1 (29:30):
Yo Kitch isn't moving merchandise.
Speaker 6 (29:32):
Sorry, it's just that's how we Nike.
Speaker 1 (29:34):
He paid Yo Kisch' zillion dollars a year. They don't.
He doesn't move merchandise. Are ready if Yo Kich got
Caitlin numbers and they were getting twenty eights in the NBA.
Yo Kich would get a huge shoe deal. You're not
getting one.
Speaker 6 (29:45):
That's just that's how it works.
Speaker 4 (29:46):
This Kaitlin Clark stuff is fascinating because it's just the
anger and venom and vitriol towards like she's gonna raise
the discourse on the WNBA.
Speaker 6 (29:54):
There's gonna be night we talk about WNBA on this
Nike Ever.
Speaker 1 (29:58):
Did Nike even do golf before Tiger? I don't even
know if they were in the golf game. You know,
great points.
Speaker 4 (30:04):
Next up, Jalen Hurts in the NFL going you new
his fifth season?
Speaker 6 (30:08):
How about this summer?
Speaker 1 (30:09):
Fifth year?
Speaker 4 (30:10):
Fifth offensive play caller Kellen Moore takes over as the OC.
Hurt said he's diving into learning the new system, but
also acknowledges it gonna be nice to have some consistency.
Speaker 9 (30:20):
I'm just all, there's you know, I'm a sponge, and
you know, I think there's I think there's you know,
some some beauty in the I think as a player,
I definitely yearned for the sustainability and the consistency. As
a quarterback are yearing for those things in the play
caller and the quarterback coach because you kind of see
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how consistency in those areas can breed excellence.
Speaker 4 (30:49):
Tough to succeed when you got.
Speaker 1 (30:52):
Dallas in Philadelphia beating the Commanders with Jaden Daniels.
Speaker 4 (30:56):
If it's Drake May, I will be betting Washington. Listen,
this is kind of an underplayed story. Five O season
five years.
Speaker 1 (31:05):
It's not underplayed, it's it's Philadelphia makes a lot of moves.
They usually work. The last two assistants didn't. The previous
two to that were great. They're now head coaches.
Speaker 4 (31:14):
Oh, by the way, the head coaches on the hot seat,
they just fire. You got to get rid of both
of his OC and DC, and you know what happens
after that, the coach is gone. So it could be
six year six O c's next year for Jalen Hurt's
final story.
Speaker 6 (31:28):
Is Caleb Williams.
Speaker 4 (31:29):
Expectations very high for his transition into the NFL. Bears
are hoping he can be their franchise guy. But an
anonymous scout you love anonymous scouts this time of the year,
thinks Caleb can go even further.
Speaker 6 (31:40):
The scout said, Caleb is the one player in.
Speaker 4 (31:43):
This class that is most likely to become a Hall
of Famer. I would disagree a Hall of.
Speaker 1 (31:52):
Yeah, I've got a vote. I've already got him on
my ballot.
Speaker 4 (31:56):
I would if you asking me one guy, I would
go Marvin Harrison, Well him, you can have more than one.
Speaker 1 (32:01):
I would say, Marvin Harrison safer.
Speaker 4 (32:03):
Yeah, quarterbacks, so much has to.
Speaker 3 (32:06):
Go right, Yeah?
Speaker 5 (32:07):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (32:08):
Coach scheme o line.
Speaker 4 (32:09):
I mean, you know we just said Jalen Hurts five
five years, five ocs. I what fifty per chance that
ibra flus is dusted and there's a new coach in
a new OC next year.
Speaker 1 (32:19):
You know, Hall of Fame is ten letters. Okay, remember
that thing Caleb put on his fingernails about Utah. People
were outraged. What if Game one He's got Hall of
Fame on his fingernails painted? I like that well color whatever.
Speaker 6 (32:35):
He wants his pink people would be outraged.
Speaker 1 (32:38):
That'd be so great.
Speaker 6 (32:39):
I p he had the phone case.
Speaker 1 (32:40):
Remember, all of fame fits perfectly. Ten letters, ten fingers.
Speaker 4 (32:45):
That's almost like John Wall doing the Dougie when he
came in.
Speaker 6 (32:48):
He remember that.
Speaker 4 (32:49):
That's one of your top five takes in the history
of the show, dating back to the other network. John
Wall doing the Dougie on Opening Night and you shredded
him and it was pretty freaking awesome.
Speaker 1 (32:59):
J Mack with the News.
Speaker 2 (33:00):
Well, that's the news, and thanks for stopping by, all.
Speaker 1 (33:04):
Right, Michael Pennocks. It was first in college football. I'm
looking at these stats in virtually everything. Kid through for
forty nine hundred yards, ten three hundred yard games, fifty
one deep completions. He was number one and virtually everything.
He's next.
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Speaker 1 (33:55):
Well, he led college football in virtually every category as
a kid. I grew up a husk grew up in
the Pacific Northwest, and Michael Pennix is as good a
quarterback as they have ever had. He is joining us
live now from his college apartment. Look at that, the
college apartment in the Pacific Northwest. So first of all,
let's start with this. Do you care where you're drafted?
(34:16):
Is there a team or an offense? Maybe Michael that
that it works for you in your opinion.
Speaker 8 (34:23):
To I really don't care, you know, I'm just excited
for the opportunity. You know, that's something I've been dreaming
out since I was a little kid. So, you know,
to be able to play in the National Football League,
you know, that's that's that's just a dream come true
for me.
Speaker 5 (34:35):
So I'm gonna take advantage of every opportunity.
Speaker 1 (34:38):
You throw the best deep ball in college football. You
led the sport with fifty one deep completions. Were you
always somebody you know, lefties are different. Were you always
somebody that felt that was good? Or is this developed
or was this always part of your game?
Speaker 8 (34:56):
I feel like as a little kid, I used to
always throw the go ball. You know, I was I
think you know, I was running affirmation. I was under
the center as a kid too, So I three step
drop as a kid and throw the go ball. So
it's been in me all my life. But I mean, obviously,
you know, just getting relationships with your receivers and you know,
putting in the offseason work, you know, it develops it
even more and put you at the next level doing it.
Speaker 1 (35:18):
So Roma Dunza is a tremendous player. He and what
I like about him, he's all football. He's really a
grown up. Let's take tell our audience. Uh, he may
go to the Jets at ten, He's gonna go somewhere
very high. What would an NFL team be getting. Tell
me about his personality, his game, his routes in Roma Dunze.
Speaker 8 (35:39):
Yeah, so Roma doomsay. You know, but man, he's man.
He's the best receiver in the draft. You know, he's
the complete practice you know, he's everything you want to
a receiver. The way he works, you know, day in
and day out. You know in practice, you know he's
gonna show in the game. You know, That's why I
feel like, you know, with all my guys, you know,
it just made it so easy in the game because
of how hard they worked in practice. You know, you
get high caliber guy you know like that. You know,
(36:01):
sometimes you might feel like they could take a rep,
take a rep off in practice, you know, on a
run play or something, but like none of our receivers
they were in those guys. You know, they're catching the
ball there, spreaying twenty thirty yards after the catch each
and every time they get the ball there blocking blocking hard,
you know, just not taking any place off, you know,
and that that just speaks careter.
Speaker 5 (36:19):
And you know, obviously.
Speaker 8 (36:20):
Whenever they do that, it translates to the football field,
and Rome does it the best.
Speaker 1 (36:24):
So so you obviously are a great athlete. You had
some injuries in Indiana and you became what's known as
sort of a pocket quarterback. But you're clearly fast. You
ran a forty in the combine, So for you, you
could run more, but you don't. Is it hard for you,
knowing you're fast, you used to run a lot more
(36:47):
and now you don't. Is it tough for you to
sometimes just stick in the pocket or is it made
you a better quarterback because you're now more patient?
Speaker 8 (36:56):
I mean, for me to be honest, when I got
to college, I don't feel like I was ever a
big runner.
Speaker 5 (37:01):
You know, like you you don't see me running too much.
Speaker 8 (37:04):
You know, when I first got to college either, So
like if you watch my high school tape, then yeah,
I'll be like, okay, y'all ran more. But once I
got to college, you know, it was that for me.
I always want to hilight the guys around me. You know,
I feel like I'm the best at elevating everybody around me,
and that's what I look to do each and every day.
So you know, I got the best receivers in the league,
and I had the best officer line, so you know,
it's no sense for me to run around. And you know,
(37:27):
if I don't got to do it my legs, I
could do on my arm. You know, it's easy to
do that. You know, I got everybody else, you know,
excited knowing that the ball can come to them at
any point in time. So you know, for me, it's
just about you know, just my process and ability. You know,
I get through my redes real fast, so you know,
I get to the point where, you know, if I
do got to run, I can you know, like you said,
you know, I showed it up at the pro day.
But if I don't got to run, I got these
(37:48):
guys around me. I make sure I like them with
the ball and get them in the best position to be great.
Speaker 1 (37:53):
So you played in a lot of big games. Husky
sell out their games, it's a pro environment. Did you
think playing in these big games Texas, Michigan, Oregon Husky
Stadium did it help you in your opinion?
Speaker 8 (38:10):
I mean yeah, you know, obviously, and then going to
the next level, you know, it definitely prepares you for that.
You know, each and every game you're gonna be playing
against the best. You know, that's what it is at
the next uh, at the next level. So you know,
definitely playing in these games, UH, definitely prepared me for
you know, the next level.
Speaker 5 (38:26):
And it got me better.
Speaker 8 (38:27):
You know, it allowed me to process even faster, you know,
just slow the game down, you know, just go out
there and make big time plays like me and my
team did each and every week.
Speaker 5 (38:36):
So I would say, so.
Speaker 1 (38:38):
When teams ask you about your injuries, what did you
say about it?
Speaker 5 (38:44):
Yeah?
Speaker 8 (38:44):
Man, for me, for me, I feel like there's just
a bad luck, you know, and obviously offer all my
injuries and know I was coming off of, you know,
an injury each and every every year, so it was tough.
Speaker 5 (38:54):
I didn't get off seasons.
Speaker 8 (38:55):
You know, I haven't had off season, uh since my
since I first got to college, until I got to Washington,
you know, so I feel like, you know, having those
two off seasons at Washington, you know, being able to
get strong in the weight room, you know, on the
field and stuff like that, it definitely helps, you know.
But at the same time, you know, I really don't
focus on that, you know, at this point, it's out
of my control.
Speaker 5 (39:14):
You know.
Speaker 8 (39:15):
I just hope a team know what they're gonna get
out of me, and that's a winner and somebody that's
gonna elevate everybody around around me. So at the end
of the day, I got all my medical records came in,
everything came clear, you know, So I saw different doctors
you know that that gave me, gave me the check
marks that I'm clear to go.
Speaker 5 (39:30):
So at this point, it's not in my it's not
in my hands.
Speaker 1 (39:33):
So I think the Seahawks are gonna draft you. What
if you stay? Your parents are in Florida. A lot
of guys like warm Weather. What if the Seahawks draft you?
You like that fit, and.
Speaker 8 (39:44):
Man, I'll be excited for any fit, you know, I'll
be excited for it all. You know, I'm just like
I said, man, I'm just blessed for the opportunity, you know.
But obviously the city of Seattle, they they've been great
to me since I've been here, and I know that
the Seattle fans, I would love that, you know. But
for me, you know, I'm just excited for the opportunity
and wherever I go, I can guarantee I'm going to
make the most out of out of the opportunity.
Speaker 1 (40:05):
So Michael Pennix junior good Luck six years Indiana Hoosiers
four Huskies two, basically set the records last year passing yards,
three hundred yard games, deep completions, big time throws. According
to PFF, a joy to watch, Michael good Luck. Appreciate
you stopping by.
Speaker 5 (40:22):
Yeah, sir, I appreciate you.
Speaker 1 (40:24):
You bet by the way that thank you. That college
apartment's way nicer than mine, way nicer than mine. Not bad, Yeah,
I mean, I think we both feel the same way.
Pro offense, NFL receivers throws the prettiest deep ball. You
got the same performance, I cautioned people when they go
well the Michigan Michigan was like playing Georgia. The last
(40:48):
several years, a lot of good quarterbacks in college look
bad against Georgia like now CJ. Stroud didn't. But it's
like Michigan had eighteen pro football players, Washington probably had
about six.
Speaker 4 (40:58):
Do we need to remind people how Josh Allen looked
in college?
Speaker 1 (41:02):
I saw him play Oregon in Iowa. I was offering
and I turned in six. No, I turned in for
those gamescause everybody, yeah, watch Josh Allen. So I watched,
like the Oregon game. I'm like, oh, it's like Michigan
made a lot of people. Look, Michigan made Ohio States
offense the last couple of years. In the second half
looked like Minnesota'.
Speaker 6 (41:21):
I'm about to kill ab Williams. Look against Notre Dame.
Speaker 4 (41:25):
Turnover machine, couldn't move the football, Like, are we gonna
write him off because of one start?
Speaker 1 (41:29):
Like yeah, the settle down a lot of judgers out there,
that's not what we do. We are into the data
and analytics. It's funny about this. Every draft I feel
the same way they're all gonna work. I don't know
every single one. Every I'm like, oh, that's gonna work.
That's gonna work. Maybe it's because of my overly optimistic, happy,
(41:51):
joyful tone in America. But I look at these guys
and I can see a case where I don't love
JJ McCarthy, But he goes to Kevin O'Connell. Bo Nicks
has limitations, he goes to Sean Payton, Jade and Daniels
a little spindily, but he gets Cliff Kingsbury, Like I
can see all of these works. If you give me
Pennix in Seattle with those receivers and his college offensive coordinator,
(42:14):
it's gonna work.
Speaker 5 (42:15):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (42:15):
Remember when I hyped Zach Wilson as the Mormon mahomes
on this show.
Speaker 1 (42:18):
I remember that maybe my.
Speaker 6 (42:19):
Best call ever. No, that was a joke, obviously, I
did say that though Mormon Mahomes.
Speaker 1 (42:24):
Where they land is overwhelmingly gonna dictate their success, and
I can see they land in the right spots. I
think it's hard for any of these guys in New
England with that lack of weaponry. Hour three neckt
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