April 20, 2024 • 23 mins
Mannix and Sergio Mora discuss the latest twist in what has been a dramatic buildup to Devin Haney's showdown against Ryan Garcia: Garcia missing weight by more than three pounds. Plus the two talk strategy, Garcia's behavior during fight week and what could happen in the ring on Saturday night. #Volume #Herd
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Speaker 4 (02:00):
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Speaker 2 (02:05):
It Ah Yes the return of Sergio Latino heat Mora,
a nickname that once belonged to Eddie Guerrero, whose music
you just heard moments ago. It is what I have
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now styled, Sergio more no longer the Latin snake, but
in retirement you are Latino heat.
Speaker 1 (02:33):
I am Latino heat, Ariba larasa, as Eddie Guerrero used
to say.
Speaker 2 (02:39):
All right, so we are here now in the Barclay Center,
feet away from where the ring is being set up
for Saturday night, live on his own feet away as
well from the way, and that's scheduled taking the ceremonial
way in on Friday afternoon, Sergio. The breaking news at
this moment is that Ryan Garcia has indeed missed unofficially,
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weighing in the first time around at three point four
pounds over the one hundred and forty pounds limit one
forty three point fours. Let's start here your reaction to
Ryan Garcia not missing weight by a little, but missing
weight it looks like by a.
Speaker 1 (03:15):
Lot anytime a fighter is overweight more than two pounds.
He didn't take the fight seriously. He didn't remain discipline
in camp, He didn't taper down professionally like every fighter does.
It is it is, it is sadly something you cannot
forgive anytime a fighter, especially in the magnitude of this
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fight is over two pounds unforgivable. Chris Mannix, I'm gonna
totally say it right now. How is a fighter moving
up in weight? He's he's barely a one pound or
what two fights? Is a third fight He's already gonna
miss it by not one, not two, but three and
a half pounds. That is unprofessional. It's ridiculous and sadly
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it's more of a sight show that this fight is
becoming because we know how he's treating this fight is
not like a normal fighter normally does, and the weight
is just another thing. The skill doesn't lie.
Speaker 5 (04:13):
It's a travesty and it's not at all surprising.
Speaker 2 (04:16):
You and I were at Gleason's gym on Wednesday and
Ryan Garcia stood next sit in between us, and he
looked like a junior middleweight. In that moment, we sit
next to Charles Conwell, who is a junior middleweight. Minutes after,
he looked smaller than Ryan Garcia. His upper body was huge,
it was all muscle.
Speaker 4 (04:32):
He was in shape.
Speaker 2 (04:33):
I'll give him that, but he wasn't on weight, and
I'm with you that is for a fighter. That's that's
part of the deal. That's part of being a professional.
Making weight so you can fight for the world championship
that's on the line. So as of now, Devin Haney
is going to defend his title at one hundred and
forty pound Liam and Ryan Garcia is going to weigh
in something over that. There will of course be a
financial penalty for it that Ryan's gonna have to pay.
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On Thursday, Sergio, Ryan and Devin shook hands on a
five hundred thousand dollars per pound penalty that Ryan Garcia
would have to pay.
Speaker 4 (05:05):
That's one point five.
Speaker 2 (05:06):
Million dollars that Ryan Garcia seems to owe Devin Haney. Look,
Ryan's gonna get paid a lot of money for this fight,
but it's not twenty million dollars. It's not thirty million dollars.
That's a big chunk of his Payday's gonna have to
pay out.
Speaker 1 (05:19):
Yeah, And not only the money's gonna be gonna affect him,
but the fact that he didn't make weight, the criticism
that's going to weigh in on the fight as well.
Speaker 5 (05:28):
And mind you, I've been here before.
Speaker 1 (05:29):
I lost my well, I didn't lose my title on
this care but I lost pretty much on the scale
when I defended my title with Vernon Forest, I was
two and a half pounds overweight. I ended up shedding
that weight, but fight night I got dropped. I lost
the majority of the rounds. I just didn't have it.
If you remember my fight with Shane Moseley, yes it
was abysmal, but it started at the weigh and I
was three and a half pounds overweight, which I think
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to this day I wasn't it was a scale, but
that's another story. I ended up shedding three and a
half pounds in twenty minutes. How I did that, I
hit it whatever, I was able to do it. The
fact that Ryan Garcia was overweight and didn't even try
losing the weight and is already coming into this fight
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with so many distractions, so many question marks, It's just
it baffles me that this kid is able to be
on this stage, the magnitude that he brings, the fans
that he brings, and still be unprofessional.
Speaker 5 (06:26):
It just baffling.
Speaker 2 (06:27):
It also undermines Ryan's principal argument, which is, you know,
you guys see the social media stuff, you see the
outlandish stuff, but reality is behind the scenes. I'm taking
it seriously, like I could have bought that if he
came in at one point, but it's hard to buy
that now. No.
Speaker 1 (06:42):
Look, fighters are promoters, they're outlandish, they say things that
normally they don't even believe, but they still go in
there and back it up, or at least try to
back it up.
Speaker 5 (06:53):
It's still a fight.
Speaker 1 (06:54):
But whenever you're like Ryan Garcia and you get mad,
you get mad at critics.
Speaker 5 (06:58):
He got mad at us on camera. Uh more me.
Speaker 1 (07:01):
But whatever reason, he's basically calling me out, saying that
I'm well, saying that we're bums. We don't know what
we're seeing. We're not we don't know what we're talking about.
We're over critical. Well, this is a reason we're over critical,
the fact that you're not professional, you're not gonna take
this fight serious. Then who can take you serious? When
you're posting silly stuff, when you're not taking this fight
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like you should, you're not acting like a champion. You
haven't even got to the championship level. You haven't won
a world championship. You got knocked out on the highest stage.
Where does all this confidence is bravado, this ego, where
does it come from? And you don't deserve it? He
he is it's a it's a sham. Is that what
is that the word? It's a it's a it's a
travesty and a sham of a of a of an
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image that he's portraying, because he's not the real deal.
If you can't do what you signed on for.
Speaker 2 (07:49):
And I think there are some people out there that
might be listening and say, well, three pounds isn't that
big a deal. Well, that's three pounds after you spent
a week trying to cut down. Like God knows what
Ryan Garcia was on Thursday. He might have been eight
pounds over. You know, he spent most of Friday morning
trying to get down to that limit. I was told
he was actually late for the official weigh in because
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he was still trying to work on that weight. And
he posted a picture on social mediahe he didn't look
all that good, Sergio like, he looked like a guy
that was all right.
Speaker 5 (08:16):
Look But on the flip side of that, we were
talking about it, Devin Haney doesn't look good.
Speaker 1 (08:19):
Uh has any ways in So let's not go off
of looks, but let's go off of the numbers, all right,
Numbers don't lie. Looks gonna be deceiving the numbers, don't lie.
Three and a half pounds is unprofessional. You didn't even
try or attempt to make the weight. I could understand one,
maybe two pounds. Anytime you're dealing with three and north
of that, you did not take it serious and it
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is disrespectful to the sport.
Speaker 2 (08:42):
Do you mention the Forest fight where in the rematch
you struggled to get down to one fifty four.
Speaker 4 (08:48):
You did it, that's a credit to you.
Speaker 2 (08:49):
But during that fight week you said you lost that
fight days you lost five pounds fight day pounds. How
did that change how you fought in that fight?
Speaker 1 (08:56):
It changed everything and for the mostly fight as well.
To lose anytime you have to lose more than three
pounds the day of the weighing, you're not just losing
three pounds or three plus pounds. You already shedded fifteen
to twenty pounds in camp, so you already bone dry.
The last extra pound a pounds and a half, God
forbid two pounds over that. You're dry. There's nothing there.
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You can go in the sana and you won't sweat.
You will not sweat, so you're just shedding muscle. Now,
when you do make the weight. If that's the way
you make it, you have zero confidence because you already
lost that. The momentum of the fight is already out
the window. There's something that when you make weight and
then you look at your opponent and the crowd is roaring,
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and that's it. The hardest part is done now. The
easy part that fight come fight night. That's the easy
part for professionals. The hard part is training camp, your obligations,
the media, and making weight. That's the hardest part for
a professional fighter. Fighting is just the dessert. That's a
cherry on top. But if you can't even get your
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priorities straight before you climb into that ring, it's already
not going as planned. So right now you're already down
three four rounds on the scorecards, on the mental scorecards.
Ryan's not there, man.
Speaker 2 (10:12):
When did you start to feel it in the ring?
The not cutting properly, the not being.
Speaker 1 (10:17):
Before the belt ring, the confidence is not there. The
confidence is not there. You won't let your hands go
like you normally do because you're worried about the later rounds.
Speaker 5 (10:25):
You won't.
Speaker 1 (10:26):
You'll play it safe. You'll fight not to lose instead
fighting to win. That is a recipe for disaster, I'm
telling you, or the flip side of that. You go
out there guns blazing like Ryan Garcia did against Tank,
and it's gonna cost you because you know that you
don't have the conditioning and the legs to go twenty
thirty six minutes and twelve rounds, so you try and
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get out of get them out of their fast and
that could turn on you as well. So it's a
lose loose for everybody, for the fans, the promotion, the
magnitude of the fight, and ultimately Ryan Garcia's performance, because
it's just so disrespectful to the sport and unprofessional.
Speaker 2 (11:01):
You know, I knew Devin Handy was gonna take this
fight coming in regardless because he messaged me earlier in
the week and I was asking him about Ryan coming
in overweight. So it doesn't matter. I'm gonna take some
of his Personally, I'm gonna knock him out. Devn's confidence obviously,
he's through the roof right now. He thinks Ryan is
an average fighter with good power, and he thinks he's
going to dismantle him. Do you think it's I mean,
Devil's advocate? Is it wise? For Devin Haney to take
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this fight, given that Ryan missweait the way he did.
Speaker 1 (11:25):
Normally, it wouldn't be wise. Normally I would say, you know,
he should tread lightly. He's gonna be fighting a bigger,
a bigger fighter now who's already faster and probably more
powerful than him, and now he's gonna add weight to it.
Speaker 5 (11:37):
But not this time around. Not this time around.
Speaker 1 (11:39):
I think a bigger Ryan Garcia is going to be
detrimental to Ryan Garcia. I think it's gonna be better
for Devin Haney, not only for his bank account because
he's gonna get one point seven million on top of
his bonus.
Speaker 5 (11:50):
But when you're.
Speaker 1 (11:52):
A fast twitch fighter, more weight doesn't benefit you you lightweight,
you know you want that dense muscle, You want that muscle.
When you're heavier, it's actually gonna be a disadvantage. So
it's a win win win win for Devin Haney. And
it's who knows how many losses I could say for
Ryan Garcia, his reputation and uh and just his his
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his character moving forward, because if if he was he
turned into the bad guy for this promotion, but if
he would have came out here, made weight and still
put on a fight, a good fight, win, lose, a draw.
He's still an attraction. He's still gonna be respectable, he's
still gonna be trusted. Now you have to doubt everything.
Is he gonna make it to the date, is he
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gonna make the fight, Is he gonna put up a fight?
Is he gonna embarrass himself? And the promotion on social media?
Now he's he's damaged goods for a promoter.
Speaker 4 (12:44):
Who was the fight?
Speaker 2 (12:46):
It was twenty years ago, Karls Castile Castillo came in
over to wait for that, and you know that turned
out to be detrimental.
Speaker 1 (12:52):
To great example and those extra I think it was
three and a half pounds, just like just like with Garcia,
it costs Korala. Yes, he made the money on getting it,
a little bit of his purse, but ultimately he got
knocked out bad. He got beat up pretty badly. And
what already was a competitive, physical, bloody fight.
Speaker 5 (13:12):
When both of them came on weight.
Speaker 1 (13:14):
Now you have the advantage of one fighter, one champion,
having a big advantage. Forget three pounds. Let's eliminate that
from people's minds. It's not just three pounds after you rehydrate,
it's gonna be thirteen pounds, and especially if you're the
naturally taller fighter with the wider shoulders, you're gonna distribute
that weight even more when they rehydrate. Ryan Garcia is
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gonna be a full fledged middleweight super middleweight. Devin Haney
is in great shape, but I don't see him getting
past one high one fifties.
Speaker 2 (13:45):
Well, I mean, he did get to one sixty for
that fight against Reagis prograde. Devin Hanney puts a lot
of weight back on as well, so they might be
comparable in that time. But look, that was a that
turned out to be bad for Diego Corralis there with
Castillo coming in as heavy as he did, So that's
something to be aware. As far as how this fight's
gonna look in the ring, there's been a lot of
talk between these two guys about slugging it out.
Speaker 5 (14:06):
You know.
Speaker 2 (14:06):
Devin Haney said he's gonna walk to the middle of
the ring. Ryan Garcia, I would beat you there, almost
like a fight promo playing out in real time.
Speaker 4 (14:13):
How do you think this fight's gonna go?
Speaker 1 (14:15):
I believe Ryan Garcia wants to slug it out. That's
his only chance of winning this fight. When have you
ever seen Devin Haney slug it out Chris Mannix?
Speaker 2 (14:23):
I have never seen him slug it out, so it
makes it think he's gonna do it now. I would
say this about Devon. I think he gets lumped in
with some of the runners that are out there. I
think there are some people that watch boxing, that watch
it casually maybe compare him to like a Guillomo riggandaut
or something like that. He's not that guy, like he
doesn't run, he moves. But against Redi's program, he was
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always kind of like two feet away from right there,
within that mid range distance. He lives there because his length,
his jab, those are his best assets. So I think
he is gonna be in range of Ryan Garcia, maybe
not standing in the middle of the ring.
Speaker 1 (14:56):
Devin Haney is a master boxer, okay, and I'm choosing
these words wisely. A master boxer, a master at range,
a brilliant jab. These are things that are hard to
get past that. It's like the old Roman days when
you had that front line with the guys with the
long sticks. I think they're called phalanx or fealings, whatever
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it is. You got to get past that long that
long spear, before you got to the cavalry, before you
got to the archers, before you got to the king.
Speaker 5 (15:26):
You have to pass the guy with the long stick.
Speaker 1 (15:28):
You ain't gonna pass that long stick, that long jab
of Devin Haney. The reach the range in order to
break that, you need footwork, you need speed, you need
a game plan, you need confidence. All that is out
the window for Ryan Garcia. Now, mind you, if he
was playing dumb as a fox and all these Shenanigans
were just a brilliant mind game and strategy and come
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fight night it's gonna be a different story, then Ryan
Garcia would have been an art of war Sun Sou
minded genius. But already he's behind with come in overweight
by that much. That's why to use that fashion. That
what George Cambosa said. Yeah, And what happened to George
back to his own the whole country. It turned against him.
Speaker 2 (16:10):
He came in heavy for that first fight against Devin
Haney and said, you know, it was that Sun Soux
Art of war stuff, and then he got to be
pretty soundly by Devin that first fight. Again in that
second fight, I think Ryan's best chance to wins in
the first three rounds. I think all that muscle and
all that weight is gonna make him tire very quickly.
I think if he can get Devin to engage early on,
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he has a puncher's chance because that punch is still
gonna be there, that left hook is still gonna be there.
But as this fight progressed to Sergio, I think it's
gonna be Devin taking over round after round after round
until maybe we get to the point where eight nine
rounds in, we're wondering is Ryan Garcia gonna come out
of his corner at that point.
Speaker 1 (16:46):
If Ryan Garcia would have taken this fight as seriously
as he took the Tank fight, he wasn't there.
Speaker 4 (16:51):
He made one thirty six, by the way for that fight.
Speaker 5 (16:53):
Okay, that's another story, but I mean.
Speaker 4 (16:55):
Good for him, like he made it.
Speaker 5 (16:56):
We didn't see Shenanigans out of him.
Speaker 1 (16:57):
We didn't these, we didn't see these this this Uh,
it's just weird.
Speaker 5 (17:02):
I mean you you're more articulate.
Speaker 1 (17:04):
Well it's it's it's weird, it's unprofessional. But there's something
more going on in Brian Ryan's head. I've never seen
a fight promotion like this. This is concerning, that's the
word I'm concerned for a fighter like Ryan Garcia because
he's coming off.
Speaker 4 (17:18):
What did Devin say? Is something wrong with this guy?
Speaker 5 (17:20):
Yeah? Man, normal boxers aren't accustomed to seeing this.
Speaker 1 (17:23):
He reminds me of Victor Ortis and Ricardo Majorga, a
blend of that where it's a little psychotic like Ryan right,
like Ricardo Majorga crazy.
Speaker 5 (17:34):
You don't know what to expect.
Speaker 1 (17:35):
But a little concerning with the things that he said
and how we reacted. Victor Ortiz didn't react well when
he when it when the going got tough against make Donna,
he questioned himself, saying, I shouldn't be getting hit like
this against Floyd Maywether. You try to kiss him in
the middle of the ring, and Floyd miliwe whether knocked him out,
he tried to headbut him. Victor t's Ricardo Mojorga a
blend of that is what I'm getting with with Ryan Garcia.
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All in all, it's not professional, it's concerning.
Speaker 2 (18:00):
And Ryan has suggested that he could do something crazy
in the ring. He has suggested that he could bite
the year of Devin Haney. He has suggested that he
could break his arm, or break his hip, or you know,
just do illegal things in the ring. I mean, do
we take that more seriously now that we've seen kind
of the weight miss.
Speaker 5 (18:18):
What do you mean now, Mannix, do you remember showing
me the odds.
Speaker 4 (18:21):
It was your top scial rocketed?
Speaker 5 (18:22):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (18:23):
No, no, no, Before this is like three days ago,
there was one where I said, you know what, I
would sprinkle some money on disqualification. Yeah, it paid like
plus eight thousand or something like that. Now those probably
got lowered because that you can totally see.
Speaker 5 (18:39):
A breakdown, a meltdown either mentally.
Speaker 4 (18:41):
Is that your official pick to bet on disqualifications? You
know what, it's actually not a terrible idea.
Speaker 1 (18:46):
Brinkle the money, Brinkle some money on a plus eight
thousand disqualification because I could see this fight ending multiple
ways by knockout Devin Haney, knockout Garcia, disqualification Garcia, all
of them call type breakdown.
Speaker 5 (19:02):
That's Marie.
Speaker 4 (19:03):
I mean, that's what we've been concerned with.
Speaker 2 (19:04):
I mean, I don't think it's gonna get to the
Oliver McCall type level, but could he get could this
suddenly you.
Speaker 4 (19:10):
Know, like a wave kind of false sweep over him and.
Speaker 1 (19:16):
Roberto Duran No Moss turning your back, you know something
about like, you know what, I try to light of
the public. I try to light to everybody, but I
couldn't light to myself. And he turns his back while
getting beaten down and embarrassed and outclassed.
Speaker 5 (19:31):
Yeah, I can totally see that.
Speaker 2 (19:32):
Yeah. So is there any danger again to play Devil's
advocate here? Is there any danger to Devin Handy being
so bothered by the things that Ryan Garcia has been saying,
because on Tuesday Devin slapped him on top of the
Empire State Building that was uncharacteristic of Devon Handey. Do
you think there's any danger of Devon getting out of
his game plan and giving Ryan an opportunity to land
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one of those shots.
Speaker 1 (19:54):
You know, Mannix, we're talking about old Roman warfare and
you know the PHAILANX and all that. I'm gonna throw
a Greek, a Greek saying to you, I do love
this part. Character is fate, you know, so that you
know that means the old Greeks used to believe that
you are who you are, You're born that way, temperament,
so on and so forth. Devin Hainey was groomed for greatness.
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He was groomed for this moment. He doesn't fight out
a character. What makes you think he's gonna act out
of character. He's not that guy. He is not that guy.
He's not built that way.
Speaker 4 (20:25):
He bothered.
Speaker 5 (20:28):
But my character is different than Devin Haines's character.
Speaker 4 (20:31):
But you also did something.
Speaker 1 (20:32):
I used to lick my blood and I used to
get that machismo. I used to let guys hit me
just to get, you know, the machismo flowing because I'm stupid.
Speaker 5 (20:41):
Devin Hainy is not that guy. Devin Haney is.
Speaker 1 (20:44):
More composed, he's more intelligent, He's a he has a
higher boxing IQ than I ever had. Devin Haney is
a dream master boxer. He will not get out of character. Now,
what I did had over Devin Haney is I could
take a better punch than him.
Speaker 5 (21:00):
I always believed in my chin. I don't care you know,
with who I was getting hit by. So I had
good defense. I had a good chin.
Speaker 1 (21:06):
Devin ay has good defense, but his chin is still questionable.
Speaker 4 (21:09):
And that's the big question.
Speaker 2 (21:11):
But like you, as an antagonist, did try to get
under your opponent skin to get that time? Fighting differently?
I mean, I remember Daniel Jacobs calling you the most
faced like I look, I believe there's something fundamentally going
on with Ryan Garcia, but I also think some of
the things he's been saying and doing are to try
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to get Devin to fight out a character.
Speaker 1 (21:33):
You know, when when when I was a little bit,
uh not intimidated, that's not the word. When I was
when I knew I was gonna be the underdog, I
I would pull out that card. I'm not gonna lie.
I did it against I did it against Vernon Forest
as well. Vernon Forrest hated me that first fight. You know,
he he if you remember those those those press conferences
and and those media calls, he says he's a pretender,
He's not a contender. I hate this guy. I'm gonna
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knock him out. I'm gonna take him to the hospital.
He was talking about putting me in a putting me
in the I don't know. He's saying a lot of
bad stuff that I knew was working in my favor,
the fact that I knew he was gonna come at
me so aggressive. Daniel Jacobs fight. My trainer showed me
a clipping where he said we got him. Look at
what he's saying I don't have to worry about Sergio
Morris's power. What do you do you get knocked down
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by Sergio Morris's power. Whenever you don't respect another man
that way, you're in trouble. So, Devin eight, he's not
gonna fall out of character.
Speaker 2 (22:24):
Man.
Speaker 1 (22:25):
He respected Ryan Garcia's power beginning to the end. He
still respects his power. You can bet he's not gonna
exchange with him. He's a brilliant master boxer with he's responsible,
he's strategic, and he's mature. Now, no way he falls
out of character.
Speaker 2 (22:40):
All right, Well, we do have a fight to his
own worldwide Saturday, Barclay Center. I think it's gonna be
a sellout, you know. I think there'll be a good
walk up crowd for this fight. And I think it's
gonna be interesting in the ring, to say the least.
Speaker 1 (22:52):
Well, why don't you emphasize interesting? Why don't let me
bring the devil's advoc get out of you? What does
interesting mean to you? Say it?
Speaker 5 (22:59):
Sam your chest Chris Mannecks.
Speaker 2 (23:01):
No, I think the the idea of a disqualification is
not off the table. I think odds being at eight
thousand to one or whatever they were, are not ridiculous,
mostly because I hear Ryan talking about doing so many
illegal things, and yes, most of that is probably just talk.
But at the same time, like if he gets down
big in the scorecards, down three zip, four zip, five zip,
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could he do something crazy rabbit punches behind the head,
you know, illegal low blows to cause the referee to
wave it off.
Speaker 4 (23:27):
I think those things are on the table.
Speaker 1 (23:29):
Or bite he said it himself, or bite his opponent.
We're gonna see a show man. It's gonna be a show,
maybe a side show. We're gonna we're gonna watch something
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Sergio good stuff man,
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Speaker 4 (02:00):
Latin No, she got.
Speaker 2 (02:05):
It Ah Yes the return of Sergio Latino heat Mora,
a nickname that once belonged to Eddie Guerrero, whose music
you just heard moments ago. It is what I have
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now styled, Sergio more no longer the Latin snake, but
in retirement you are Latino heat.
Speaker 1 (02:33):
I am Latino heat, Ariba larasa, as Eddie Guerrero used
to say.
Speaker 2 (02:39):
All right, so we are here now in the Barclay Center,
feet away from where the ring is being set up
for Saturday night, live on his own feet away as
well from the way, and that's scheduled taking the ceremonial
way in on Friday afternoon, Sergio. The breaking news at
this moment is that Ryan Garcia has indeed missed unofficially,
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weighing in the first time around at three point four
pounds over the one hundred and forty pounds limit one
forty three point fours. Let's start here your reaction to
Ryan Garcia not missing weight by a little, but missing
weight it looks like by a.
Speaker 1 (03:15):
Lot anytime a fighter is overweight more than two pounds.
He didn't take the fight seriously. He didn't remain discipline
in camp, He didn't taper down professionally like every fighter does.
It is it is, it is sadly something you cannot
forgive anytime a fighter, especially in the magnitude of this
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fight is over two pounds unforgivable. Chris Mannix, I'm gonna
totally say it right now. How is a fighter moving
up in weight? He's he's barely a one pound or
what two fights? Is a third fight He's already gonna
miss it by not one, not two, but three and
a half pounds. That is unprofessional. It's ridiculous and sadly
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it's more of a sight show that this fight is
becoming because we know how he's treating this fight is
not like a normal fighter normally does, and the weight
is just another thing. The skill doesn't lie.
Speaker 5 (04:13):
It's a travesty and it's not at all surprising.
Speaker 2 (04:16):
You and I were at Gleason's gym on Wednesday and
Ryan Garcia stood next sit in between us, and he
looked like a junior middleweight. In that moment, we sit
next to Charles Conwell, who is a junior middleweight. Minutes after,
he looked smaller than Ryan Garcia. His upper body was huge,
it was all muscle.
Speaker 4 (04:32):
He was in shape.
Speaker 2 (04:33):
I'll give him that, but he wasn't on weight, and
I'm with you that is for a fighter. That's that's
part of the deal. That's part of being a professional.
Making weight so you can fight for the world championship
that's on the line. So as of now, Devin Haney
is going to defend his title at one hundred and
forty pound Liam and Ryan Garcia is going to weigh
in something over that. There will of course be a
financial penalty for it that Ryan's gonna have to pay.
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On Thursday, Sergio, Ryan and Devin shook hands on a
five hundred thousand dollars per pound penalty that Ryan Garcia
would have to pay.
Speaker 4 (05:05):
That's one point five.
Speaker 2 (05:06):
Million dollars that Ryan Garcia seems to owe Devin Haney. Look,
Ryan's gonna get paid a lot of money for this fight,
but it's not twenty million dollars. It's not thirty million dollars.
That's a big chunk of his Payday's gonna have to
pay out.
Speaker 1 (05:19):
Yeah, And not only the money's gonna be gonna affect him,
but the fact that he didn't make weight, the criticism
that's going to weigh in on the fight as well.
Speaker 5 (05:28):
And mind you, I've been here before.
Speaker 1 (05:29):
I lost my well, I didn't lose my title on
this care but I lost pretty much on the scale
when I defended my title with Vernon Forest, I was
two and a half pounds overweight. I ended up shedding
that weight, but fight night I got dropped. I lost
the majority of the rounds. I just didn't have it.
If you remember my fight with Shane Moseley, yes it
was abysmal, but it started at the weigh and I
was three and a half pounds overweight, which I think
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to this day I wasn't it was a scale, but
that's another story. I ended up shedding three and a
half pounds in twenty minutes. How I did that, I
hit it whatever, I was able to do it. The
fact that Ryan Garcia was overweight and didn't even try
losing the weight and is already coming into this fight
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with so many distractions, so many question marks, It's just
it baffles me that this kid is able to be
on this stage, the magnitude that he brings, the fans
that he brings, and still be unprofessional.
Speaker 5 (06:26):
It just baffling.
Speaker 2 (06:27):
It also undermines Ryan's principal argument, which is, you know,
you guys see the social media stuff, you see the
outlandish stuff, but reality is behind the scenes. I'm taking
it seriously, like I could have bought that if he
came in at one point, but it's hard to buy
that now. No.
Speaker 1 (06:42):
Look, fighters are promoters, they're outlandish, they say things that
normally they don't even believe, but they still go in
there and back it up, or at least try to
back it up.
Speaker 5 (06:53):
It's still a fight.
Speaker 1 (06:54):
But whenever you're like Ryan Garcia and you get mad,
you get mad at critics.
Speaker 5 (06:58):
He got mad at us on camera. Uh more me.
Speaker 1 (07:01):
But whatever reason, he's basically calling me out, saying that
I'm well, saying that we're bums. We don't know what
we're seeing. We're not we don't know what we're talking about.
We're over critical. Well, this is a reason we're over critical,
the fact that you're not professional, you're not gonna take
this fight serious. Then who can take you serious? When
you're posting silly stuff, when you're not taking this fight
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like you should, you're not acting like a champion. You
haven't even got to the championship level. You haven't won
a world championship. You got knocked out on the highest stage.
Where does all this confidence is bravado, this ego, where
does it come from? And you don't deserve it? He
he is it's a it's a sham. Is that what
is that the word? It's a it's a it's a
travesty and a sham of a of a of an
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image that he's portraying, because he's not the real deal.
If you can't do what you signed on for.
Speaker 2 (07:49):
And I think there are some people out there that
might be listening and say, well, three pounds isn't that
big a deal. Well, that's three pounds after you spent
a week trying to cut down. Like God knows what
Ryan Garcia was on Thursday. He might have been eight
pounds over. You know, he spent most of Friday morning
trying to get down to that limit. I was told
he was actually late for the official weigh in because
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he was still trying to work on that weight. And
he posted a picture on social mediahe he didn't look
all that good, Sergio like, he looked like a guy
that was all right.
Speaker 5 (08:16):
Look But on the flip side of that, we were
talking about it, Devin Haney doesn't look good.
Speaker 1 (08:19):
Uh has any ways in So let's not go off
of looks, but let's go off of the numbers, all right,
Numbers don't lie. Looks gonna be deceiving the numbers, don't lie.
Three and a half pounds is unprofessional. You didn't even
try or attempt to make the weight. I could understand one,
maybe two pounds. Anytime you're dealing with three and north
of that, you did not take it serious and it
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is disrespectful to the sport.
Speaker 2 (08:42):
Do you mention the Forest fight where in the rematch
you struggled to get down to one fifty four.
Speaker 4 (08:48):
You did it, that's a credit to you.
Speaker 2 (08:49):
But during that fight week you said you lost that
fight days you lost five pounds fight day pounds. How
did that change how you fought in that fight?
Speaker 1 (08:56):
It changed everything and for the mostly fight as well.
To lose anytime you have to lose more than three
pounds the day of the weighing, you're not just losing
three pounds or three plus pounds. You already shedded fifteen
to twenty pounds in camp, so you already bone dry.
The last extra pound a pounds and a half, God
forbid two pounds over that. You're dry. There's nothing there.
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You can go in the sana and you won't sweat.
You will not sweat, so you're just shedding muscle. Now,
when you do make the weight. If that's the way
you make it, you have zero confidence because you already
lost that. The momentum of the fight is already out
the window. There's something that when you make weight and
then you look at your opponent and the crowd is roaring,
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and that's it. The hardest part is done now. The
easy part that fight come fight night. That's the easy
part for professionals. The hard part is training camp, your obligations,
the media, and making weight. That's the hardest part for
a professional fighter. Fighting is just the dessert. That's a
cherry on top. But if you can't even get your
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priorities straight before you climb into that ring, it's already
not going as planned. So right now you're already down
three four rounds on the scorecards, on the mental scorecards.
Ryan's not there, man.
Speaker 2 (10:12):
When did you start to feel it in the ring?
The not cutting properly, the not being.
Speaker 1 (10:17):
Before the belt ring, the confidence is not there. The
confidence is not there. You won't let your hands go
like you normally do because you're worried about the later rounds.
Speaker 5 (10:25):
You won't.
Speaker 1 (10:26):
You'll play it safe. You'll fight not to lose instead
fighting to win. That is a recipe for disaster, I'm
telling you, or the flip side of that. You go
out there guns blazing like Ryan Garcia did against Tank,
and it's gonna cost you because you know that you
don't have the conditioning and the legs to go twenty
thirty six minutes and twelve rounds, so you try and
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get out of get them out of their fast and
that could turn on you as well. So it's a
lose loose for everybody, for the fans, the promotion, the
magnitude of the fight, and ultimately Ryan Garcia's performance, because
it's just so disrespectful to the sport and unprofessional.
Speaker 2 (11:01):
You know, I knew Devin Handy was gonna take this
fight coming in regardless because he messaged me earlier in
the week and I was asking him about Ryan coming
in overweight. So it doesn't matter. I'm gonna take some
of his Personally, I'm gonna knock him out. Devn's confidence obviously,
he's through the roof right now. He thinks Ryan is
an average fighter with good power, and he thinks he's
going to dismantle him. Do you think it's I mean,
Devil's advocate? Is it wise? For Devin Haney to take
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this fight, given that Ryan missweait the way he did.
Speaker 1 (11:25):
Normally, it wouldn't be wise. Normally I would say, you know,
he should tread lightly. He's gonna be fighting a bigger,
a bigger fighter now who's already faster and probably more
powerful than him, and now he's gonna add weight to it.
Speaker 5 (11:37):
But not this time around. Not this time around.
Speaker 1 (11:39):
I think a bigger Ryan Garcia is going to be
detrimental to Ryan Garcia. I think it's gonna be better
for Devin Haney, not only for his bank account because
he's gonna get one point seven million on top of
his bonus.
Speaker 5 (11:50):
But when you're.
Speaker 1 (11:52):
A fast twitch fighter, more weight doesn't benefit you you lightweight,
you know you want that dense muscle, You want that muscle.
When you're heavier, it's actually gonna be a disadvantage. So
it's a win win win win for Devin Haney. And
it's who knows how many losses I could say for
Ryan Garcia, his reputation and uh and just his his
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his character moving forward, because if if he was he
turned into the bad guy for this promotion, but if
he would have came out here, made weight and still
put on a fight, a good fight, win, lose, a draw.
He's still an attraction. He's still gonna be respectable, he's
still gonna be trusted. Now you have to doubt everything.
Is he gonna make it to the date, is he
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gonna make the fight, Is he gonna put up a fight?
Is he gonna embarrass himself? And the promotion on social media?
Now he's he's damaged goods for a promoter.
Speaker 4 (12:44):
Who was the fight?
Speaker 2 (12:46):
It was twenty years ago, Karls Castile Castillo came in
over to wait for that, and you know that turned
out to be detrimental.
Speaker 1 (12:52):
To great example and those extra I think it was
three and a half pounds, just like just like with Garcia,
it costs Korala. Yes, he made the money on getting it,
a little bit of his purse, but ultimately he got
knocked out bad. He got beat up pretty badly. And
what already was a competitive, physical, bloody fight.
Speaker 5 (13:12):
When both of them came on weight.
Speaker 1 (13:14):
Now you have the advantage of one fighter, one champion,
having a big advantage. Forget three pounds. Let's eliminate that
from people's minds. It's not just three pounds after you rehydrate,
it's gonna be thirteen pounds, and especially if you're the
naturally taller fighter with the wider shoulders, you're gonna distribute
that weight even more when they rehydrate. Ryan Garcia is
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gonna be a full fledged middleweight super middleweight. Devin Haney
is in great shape, but I don't see him getting
past one high one fifties.
Speaker 2 (13:45):
Well, I mean, he did get to one sixty for
that fight against Reagis prograde. Devin Hanney puts a lot
of weight back on as well, so they might be
comparable in that time. But look, that was a that
turned out to be bad for Diego Corralis there with
Castillo coming in as heavy as he did, So that's
something to be aware. As far as how this fight's
gonna look in the ring, there's been a lot of
talk between these two guys about slugging it out.
Speaker 5 (14:06):
You know.
Speaker 2 (14:06):
Devin Haney said he's gonna walk to the middle of
the ring. Ryan Garcia, I would beat you there, almost
like a fight promo playing out in real time.
Speaker 4 (14:13):
How do you think this fight's gonna go?
Speaker 1 (14:15):
I believe Ryan Garcia wants to slug it out. That's
his only chance of winning this fight. When have you
ever seen Devin Haney slug it out Chris Mannix?
Speaker 2 (14:23):
I have never seen him slug it out, so it
makes it think he's gonna do it now. I would
say this about Devon. I think he gets lumped in
with some of the runners that are out there. I
think there are some people that watch boxing, that watch
it casually maybe compare him to like a Guillomo riggandaut
or something like that. He's not that guy, like he
doesn't run, he moves. But against Redi's program, he was
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always kind of like two feet away from right there,
within that mid range distance. He lives there because his length,
his jab, those are his best assets. So I think
he is gonna be in range of Ryan Garcia, maybe
not standing in the middle of the ring.
Speaker 1 (14:56):
Devin Haney is a master boxer, okay, and I'm choosing
these words wisely. A master boxer, a master at range,
a brilliant jab. These are things that are hard to
get past that. It's like the old Roman days when
you had that front line with the guys with the
long sticks. I think they're called phalanx or fealings, whatever
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it is. You got to get past that long that
long spear, before you got to the cavalry, before you
got to the archers, before you got to the king.
Speaker 5 (15:26):
You have to pass the guy with the long stick.
Speaker 1 (15:28):
You ain't gonna pass that long stick, that long jab
of Devin Haney. The reach the range in order to
break that, you need footwork, you need speed, you need
a game plan, you need confidence. All that is out
the window for Ryan Garcia. Now, mind you, if he
was playing dumb as a fox and all these Shenanigans
were just a brilliant mind game and strategy and come
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fight night it's gonna be a different story, then Ryan
Garcia would have been an art of war Sun Sou
minded genius. But already he's behind with come in overweight
by that much. That's why to use that fashion. That
what George Cambosa said. Yeah, And what happened to George
back to his own the whole country. It turned against him.
Speaker 2 (16:10):
He came in heavy for that first fight against Devin
Haney and said, you know, it was that Sun Soux
Art of war stuff, and then he got to be
pretty soundly by Devin that first fight. Again in that
second fight, I think Ryan's best chance to wins in
the first three rounds. I think all that muscle and
all that weight is gonna make him tire very quickly.
I think if he can get Devin to engage early on,
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he has a puncher's chance because that punch is still
gonna be there, that left hook is still gonna be there.
But as this fight progressed to Sergio, I think it's
gonna be Devin taking over round after round after round
until maybe we get to the point where eight nine
rounds in, we're wondering is Ryan Garcia gonna come out
of his corner at that point.
Speaker 1 (16:46):
If Ryan Garcia would have taken this fight as seriously
as he took the Tank fight, he wasn't there.
Speaker 4 (16:51):
He made one thirty six, by the way for that fight.
Speaker 5 (16:53):
Okay, that's another story, but I mean.
Speaker 4 (16:55):
Good for him, like he made it.
Speaker 5 (16:56):
We didn't see Shenanigans out of him.
Speaker 1 (16:57):
We didn't these, we didn't see these this this Uh,
it's just weird.
Speaker 5 (17:02):
I mean you you're more articulate.
Speaker 1 (17:04):
Well it's it's it's weird, it's unprofessional. But there's something
more going on in Brian Ryan's head. I've never seen
a fight promotion like this. This is concerning, that's the
word I'm concerned for a fighter like Ryan Garcia because
he's coming off.
Speaker 4 (17:18):
What did Devin say? Is something wrong with this guy?
Speaker 5 (17:20):
Yeah? Man, normal boxers aren't accustomed to seeing this.
Speaker 1 (17:23):
He reminds me of Victor Ortis and Ricardo Majorga, a
blend of that where it's a little psychotic like Ryan right,
like Ricardo Majorga crazy.
Speaker 5 (17:34):
You don't know what to expect.
Speaker 1 (17:35):
But a little concerning with the things that he said
and how we reacted. Victor Ortiz didn't react well when
he when it when the going got tough against make Donna,
he questioned himself, saying, I shouldn't be getting hit like
this against Floyd Maywether. You try to kiss him in
the middle of the ring, and Floyd miliwe whether knocked him out,
he tried to headbut him. Victor t's Ricardo Mojorga a
blend of that is what I'm getting with with Ryan Garcia.
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All in all, it's not professional, it's concerning.
Speaker 2 (18:00):
And Ryan has suggested that he could do something crazy
in the ring. He has suggested that he could bite
the year of Devin Haney. He has suggested that he
could break his arm, or break his hip, or you know,
just do illegal things in the ring. I mean, do
we take that more seriously now that we've seen kind
of the weight miss.
Speaker 5 (18:18):
What do you mean now, Mannix, do you remember showing
me the odds.
Speaker 4 (18:21):
It was your top scial rocketed?
Speaker 5 (18:22):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (18:23):
No, no, no, Before this is like three days ago,
there was one where I said, you know what, I
would sprinkle some money on disqualification. Yeah, it paid like
plus eight thousand or something like that. Now those probably
got lowered because that you can totally see.
Speaker 5 (18:39):
A breakdown, a meltdown either mentally.
Speaker 4 (18:41):
Is that your official pick to bet on disqualifications? You
know what, it's actually not a terrible idea.
Speaker 1 (18:46):
Brinkle the money, Brinkle some money on a plus eight
thousand disqualification because I could see this fight ending multiple
ways by knockout Devin Haney, knockout Garcia, disqualification Garcia, all
of them call type breakdown.
Speaker 5 (19:02):
That's Marie.
Speaker 4 (19:03):
I mean, that's what we've been concerned with.
Speaker 2 (19:04):
I mean, I don't think it's gonna get to the
Oliver McCall type level, but could he get could this
suddenly you.
Speaker 4 (19:10):
Know, like a wave kind of false sweep over him and.
Speaker 1 (19:16):
Roberto Duran No Moss turning your back, you know something
about like, you know what, I try to light of
the public. I try to light to everybody, but I
couldn't light to myself. And he turns his back while
getting beaten down and embarrassed and outclassed.
Speaker 5 (19:31):
Yeah, I can totally see that.
Speaker 2 (19:32):
Yeah. So is there any danger again to play Devil's
advocate here? Is there any danger to Devin Handy being
so bothered by the things that Ryan Garcia has been saying,
because on Tuesday Devin slapped him on top of the
Empire State Building that was uncharacteristic of Devon Handey. Do
you think there's any danger of Devon getting out of
his game plan and giving Ryan an opportunity to land
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one of those shots.
Speaker 1 (19:54):
You know, Mannix, we're talking about old Roman warfare and
you know the PHAILANX and all that. I'm gonna throw
a Greek, a Greek saying to you, I do love
this part. Character is fate, you know, so that you
know that means the old Greeks used to believe that
you are who you are, You're born that way, temperament,
so on and so forth. Devin Hainey was groomed for greatness.
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He was groomed for this moment. He doesn't fight out
a character. What makes you think he's gonna act out
of character. He's not that guy. He is not that guy.
He's not built that way.
Speaker 4 (20:25):
He bothered.
Speaker 5 (20:28):
But my character is different than Devin Haines's character.
Speaker 4 (20:31):
But you also did something.
Speaker 1 (20:32):
I used to lick my blood and I used to
get that machismo. I used to let guys hit me
just to get, you know, the machismo flowing because I'm stupid.
Speaker 5 (20:41):
Devin Hainy is not that guy. Devin Haney is.
Speaker 1 (20:44):
More composed, he's more intelligent, He's a he has a
higher boxing IQ than I ever had. Devin Haney is
a dream master boxer. He will not get out of character. Now,
what I did had over Devin Haney is I could
take a better punch than him.
Speaker 5 (21:00):
I always believed in my chin. I don't care you know,
with who I was getting hit by. So I had
good defense. I had a good chin.
Speaker 1 (21:06):
Devin ay has good defense, but his chin is still questionable.
Speaker 4 (21:09):
And that's the big question.
Speaker 2 (21:11):
But like you, as an antagonist, did try to get
under your opponent skin to get that time? Fighting differently?
I mean, I remember Daniel Jacobs calling you the most
faced like I look, I believe there's something fundamentally going
on with Ryan Garcia, but I also think some of
the things he's been saying and doing are to try
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to get Devin to fight out a character.
Speaker 1 (21:33):
You know, when when when I was a little bit,
uh not intimidated, that's not the word. When I was
when I knew I was gonna be the underdog, I
I would pull out that card. I'm not gonna lie.
I did it against I did it against Vernon Forest
as well. Vernon Forrest hated me that first fight. You know,
he he if you remember those those those press conferences
and and those media calls, he says he's a pretender,
He's not a contender. I hate this guy. I'm gonna
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knock him out. I'm gonna take him to the hospital.
He was talking about putting me in a putting me
in the I don't know. He's saying a lot of
bad stuff that I knew was working in my favor,
the fact that I knew he was gonna come at
me so aggressive. Daniel Jacobs fight. My trainer showed me
a clipping where he said we got him. Look at
what he's saying I don't have to worry about Sergio
Morris's power. What do you do you get knocked down
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by Sergio Morris's power. Whenever you don't respect another man
that way, you're in trouble. So, Devin eight, he's not
gonna fall out of character.
Speaker 2 (22:24):
Man.
Speaker 1 (22:25):
He respected Ryan Garcia's power beginning to the end. He
still respects his power. You can bet he's not gonna
exchange with him. He's a brilliant master boxer with he's responsible,
he's strategic, and he's mature. Now, no way he falls
out of character.
Speaker 2 (22:40):
All right, Well, we do have a fight to his
own worldwide Saturday, Barclay Center. I think it's gonna be
a sellout, you know. I think there'll be a good
walk up crowd for this fight. And I think it's
gonna be interesting in the ring, to say the least.
Speaker 1 (22:52):
Well, why don't you emphasize interesting? Why don't let me
bring the devil's advoc get out of you? What does
interesting mean to you? Say it?
Speaker 5 (22:59):
Sam your chest Chris Mannecks.
Speaker 2 (23:01):
No, I think the the idea of a disqualification is
not off the table. I think odds being at eight
thousand to one or whatever they were, are not ridiculous,
mostly because I hear Ryan talking about doing so many
illegal things, and yes, most of that is probably just talk.
But at the same time, like if he gets down
big in the scorecards, down three zip, four zip, five zip,
(23:21):
could he do something crazy rabbit punches behind the head,
you know, illegal low blows to cause the referee to
wave it off.
Speaker 4 (23:27):
I think those things are on the table.
Speaker 1 (23:29):
Or bite he said it himself, or bite his opponent.
We're gonna see a show man. It's gonna be a show,
maybe a side show. We're gonna we're gonna watch something
that we're gonna remember.
Speaker 2 (23:41):
All right, Well, we'll be there Saturday, ringside me, Latino
Heat and a whole cast of character.
Speaker 4 (23:46):
Sergio good stuff man,
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