April 23, 2024 • 36 mins
Colin explains why the Lakers continue to come up short against the Nuggets after losing a 20-point lead to fall behind 0-2 in the first round of the playoffs. He gives his annual "High-Low" comps for each of the top QB prospects in the NFL draft. Plus, LSU head coach Brian Kelly joins the show to share what we can expect from Heisman Trophy winner Jayden Daniels in the NFL
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:19):
This is the Best of the Herd with Colin cowher
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Speaker 1 (00:27):
All Right, it's a Tuesday, closer to the Draft, a
remarkable Round one NBA playoff night. It's the Herd wherever
you may be and however you may be listening. Thanks
for making us part of your day. Nick Right today,
LSU football coach Brian Kelly stops by today, Jmax. That
was an old timer Nicks at home with the Madison
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Square Garden crowd seemingly on the floor as this as
the players were on the floor lights. That was an
all time ending. And the Lakers Nuggets, I said yesterday
in the show Lakers losing over time. It was almost
that Lakers season was on the line. But those were
two great playoff games. Great, I mean I was exhausted.
Speaker 3 (01:14):
I had to go out and have a cigarette after
that first cigarette like twenty five years. I mean, it
was just an amazing night of sports coling.
Speaker 1 (01:21):
So the Lakers this morning and last night, they want
to blame the refs. They want to blame the replay system. Okay,
Not the Lebron James sixteen seconds left missed wide open three. Nah,
that wasn't it. Or the fact that Anthony Davis had
no points in the fourth quarter, Darvin Ham couldn't dial
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up a player, the fact that once again a Lakers
starter gave you a nothing burger ruey three points. Not
that in the last ten minutes the Lakers went away
from the pick and roll with Ad and Lebron. I
think Lebron just gets tired. No, the Lakers don't have
the talent or the versa two of Denver. Last night's
a great example. Jokic did not play well in the
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first half, Murray was awful in the first three quarters.
But because of their surrounding talent, they can keep it
close and make runs. These teams have played ten straight times.
The games all look the same, They're all close. We've
said all year, Lakers aren't gonna beat them, but they
match up with them well. The difference is though last night,
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last nine possessions for Denver. They scored on eight of them.
Why because Lebron and Ad in both games have had
to overcome a starter that gave you nothing. Dlo was
awful in game one and Ruey was awful in game two.
Jamal Murray wasn't good last night in the first three quarters,
but he was remarkable in the fourth. Jokic had a
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rare bad half, but he was money in the second half.
Denver always wins this game because Denver, their two stars
can have a bad quarter, can have a bad half,
they don't have to be gassed. Jokis just lets the
game come to him. He doesn't press when things are
going awry. He's got Gordon and Porter and KCP. He
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doesn't have to press. If Lebron doesn't get de Lo help,
he's got empty the tank. If AD doesn't get Ruey help,
he's got to empty the tank. And so I mean
again last night, Jokinchin Murray didn't do anything in the
first half, but in the last nine possessions, Denver scored
in eight. And those are the crunch time numbers. That's
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the best defense you'll face, that's the most pressure you'll face.
And this is what championship teams like Denver deliver. It's
not just that they have the best player in the world,
because Lebron and ad aren't far behind. It's the ability
for their star teammates, who often have bad halfs, to
still be brilliant, like Jamal Murray when you need him
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deliver And in that fourth quarter, whereas Dlo was bad
the entire game and Ruey was awful last night the
entire game, Jamal Murray as a star and three bad
quarters later, came in and sealed the game with this
merle maps and moons.
Speaker 4 (04:24):
One.
Speaker 1 (04:30):
Now they're gonna go back to LA. The games will
be close, the Lakers will empty the tank. But this
has been the most predictable series of all of them.
The Lakers matchup well. The Lakers have two stars, but
Lebron and a d are always have to overcome a
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week bench sometimes regrettable substitution patterns by Darvin Ham And
by the end of the game, what's eighty we have
left not much offensively? And here was a d when
asked about Murray's game winner.
Speaker 2 (05:06):
Can you take us through that last play and just
what happened and what unfolded and what was I don't
know if you were screened or what happened on that
last play.
Speaker 1 (05:15):
Jamal Murrey radershot. Yeah, that sums it up. Jamal Murray
hit a shot. Okay. What is the constant? Been in
Philadelphia for eight years, They've had multiple GMS. Nick Nurse
is Embad's third coach. We had the trial balloon with
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Ben Simmons, James Harden. Now it's Tyrese, Maxey, Tobias Harris,
draft picks, the process. The constant is MBID and superstars.
That's what he's been labeled. He's a superstar. I don't know.
I've got a higher standard. To be a superstar in
the NBA, you have to, you know, once win a
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second round playoff series in the much much weaker Eastern Conference.
I don't know, just one time. GMS coaches teammates Stars, Simmons, Harden.
Now he's got Maxie and these Knicks, though Gutty are
hardly the Shaq Kobe Lakers. They're doing it on Guyle Moxie, toughness.
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They want it more, they care more. That last sequence
for the Knicks, it was all desire and effort. I mean,
embiid first two games, no rebounds in the fourth quarter
through two games? Is he ewing on the floor? What
am I missing? No rebounds? Rebounds is an effort. Staff
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Dennis Rodman wasn't skilled, Ben Wallace wasn't a world class
basket It's effort. Rebounds are effort. Embiid seven to two superstar?
Did Shaq ever have two games with no rebounds in
the fourth quarter through two? I don't think so. Did
a Keem He has the talent, he doesn't. He has
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the size, he lacks effort. If you go look at
Joel Embiid's playoff career, his numbers plummet in the fourth
is plus minus his field goals, his rebound, everything goes down.
That's effort. I understand. Biggs get tired, Biggs get beat up.
I get that. But when Tyrese Maxi, with one h
nine left, hit a three, the score was one hundred
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and ninety six Philadelphia. In fact, the Nix's next two possessions,
they didn't get a field goal. It was their game now.
Kyle Lowry missed a free throw that was big, and
Jalen Brunson got a bit of a break on that
bounce on the three. Absolutely, But in the NBA, you're
a superstar if you win in April, May and June
and you have a big personality. Kawhi doesn't, Jokic does it.
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They're stars, But you're a superstar if you win in April,
May and June and you have a big personality. And
then BID's got plenty of personality. But I waited through
trust the process and Ben Simmons and James Harden and
now Tyree's Maxie and multiple coaches and Nick nurses the
third and multiple GMS and raft picks and moving in
and I get the same thing. Big games in the
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East in the playoffs late, where's mbat? I just didn't
see the effort. I watched that last sequence. By the
next they were done, it was over. MAXI hits a three.
Next two times down under a minute, they don't get
a field goal. It's over. And then it became rugby
on the floor. Did you have any doubt without balling
on the floor the Knicks would come up with it?
Was there any doubt for a second who was going
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to come up with the basketball? Even even Genzo second three?
It was about effort. Nobody blocked out the next So
here's Joel Embiid on that crazy final sequence.
Speaker 4 (08:38):
Everybody on the floor was trying to call Tom mob myself,
including Nicole coach Asalan, but that didn't give it to us.
But you know, forget about of Tom. There's a bunch
of falls. Yeah, that's yeah. Like I said, un sucked
the ball.
Speaker 5 (08:54):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (08:55):
I keep hearing the Sixers last night in this morning
complained about and there was no time out. You know
what I saw, nobody blocked out, no effort. That last
night was all about desire. That game was over. Knicks
were cooked. One hundred and ninety six, didn't score on
their next two possessions. Game was over. It's over. MB
no rebounds last first two games in the series, fourth quarter.
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I mean that that was all effort, all desire. These
Knicks Jalen Brunson is not playing well, Julius Randall isn't available,
and they're beating two stars in this league, one that
has been labeled a superstar. I don't want to hear
about timeouts. I don't want to hear about time I
don't want to hear about you miss this, you missed it,
I missed the effort. Where is it? It is all
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on the Knicks. You can watch a sporting event You
don't see this a lot in hockey, you don't see
a lot in baseball, but you do see in the
NBA some load management teams wanting it more and more physicality.
That was an effort win. It wasn't a talent win.
Don't don't get me talent Even jen Zones bounce around
the league. It's not a talent thing. That was an
effort thing. J Mac, that was so much fun last night.
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You know, some nights I just know I gotta I'm
gonna stay home, I'm gonna order out, and I'm gonna
stay home. And sometimes it's work. Sometimes I don't necessarily
want to watch a Thursday night football game on Amazon.
Carolina Panthers involved. Its work last night was not work
last night is why we do this job. Sitting home
watching those games, having a blast.
Speaker 3 (10:20):
I mean, the Knicks game came out of nowhere. I
thought they were cooked, you know, down five.
Speaker 1 (10:24):
With Philly out played him for three quarters, Philadelphia for
two and a half quarters.
Speaker 3 (10:27):
Was at Brunson, looked at Brunson is not having a
great start to the series.
Speaker 1 (10:30):
Well, that's because they've relied on him so much much. Yeah, yeah,
I mean, I mean Brunson is to a large degree,
looks he's lost his leg.
Speaker 3 (10:37):
I think he's shooting twenty nine percent through TV's like,
that's not the same.
Speaker 1 (10:40):
I thought predictable.
Speaker 3 (10:41):
I thought the series was over when the Knicks were
down five. I'm like, I don't know how you go
to Philly and steel won with no offense, but the
Lakers would call it. I I don't know that I've
been that gutted from a loss in sports since maybe
maybe the Jets in the AFC Championship game way back
when against the Steelers with Sanchez a quarterback. That's how
long it's been. Twenty point lead.
Speaker 1 (11:05):
You gotta remember the twenty point lead was like sixty
eight to forty eight. You can build. People will say this, well,
Michael Jordan never lost twenty point leads the three point shot.
Speaker 3 (11:15):
Totally fine to open the fourth column.
Speaker 1 (11:19):
That that point is a couple bad possessions and they
hit two threes and you're down to four time out.
Speaker 3 (11:24):
It's not a couple of bad possessions. Darvin Haham totally
botched the rotations. You can't start the fourth up ten
on the road season on the line with Dinwitty Jackson
as Gentririan prints on the court.
Speaker 1 (11:35):
You cannot do.
Speaker 3 (11:36):
I'm I text a bunch of Laker fans. They were
like all caps Darvin Ham, what do you you know?
Speaker 1 (11:41):
Like?
Speaker 3 (11:42):
But again they had the gate Jamal Murray, Jamal Murray's him,
he is him. I mean that shot over a D
I was.
Speaker 1 (11:50):
I mean, I'll say this, though a D, the fact
that he didn't get top three in voting for defensive
Player of the Year, I would voted him number one.
Speaker 4 (12:01):
He is.
Speaker 1 (12:02):
Jokic has very few bad halfs. Yokich was irrelevant in
the first half. A D was a D and Jokic
in the first half. AD may have played the best
half of basketball in a year by a big man.
Would you rather have a better second half than a
front would? But when Ruey doesn't show up and it
takes a while for teammates, No d lo in the
first half was money. But Anthony Davis just having any kind.
Speaker 3 (12:23):
Of emptied the tank in the first half, fourth quarter,
he's that's what he shoots is one three pointer from
the quarter, AD, what.
Speaker 2 (12:29):
Are you doing?
Speaker 3 (12:30):
Take him downtown? Take him inside a D. Zero points
in the fourth column. That was an emb like disappearing.
Speaker 1 (12:36):
I'll almost give Lebron an ad a little bit of
a break in the fourth because they're gassed because they
have to carry the team. Jolkich had a bad first half.
He wasn't gassed because he has people to pick up
for him, Gordon and Porter and KCP and eventually Murray.
Speaker 3 (12:49):
Well Reeves chased around Murray. He had nothing ruey guarding.
Jokic did a good job first half, right, but one
of seven offense, Like, it's just the Nuggets are good man.
Speaker 1 (12:58):
Yeah, great team away. Forty five minutes from now, we're
gonna take all the potential first round quarterbacks and play
the high low game. What is their high comp? What
if it doesn't work? What is their low comp. It's
a lot of fun, you know, you put yourself out there.
It's one of my favorite segments of the year. We
do it once we take the quarterbacks. We play high
low at the best? What is Michael Pennix at the worst?
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What is Pennix? We'll play the high low game in
forty five minutes.
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Speaker 1 (13:33):
All Right, we play this game every year. It's kind
of funny because people make fun of my my comps
on this. But we're gonna play the high low game.
I'm gonna take all the first round quarterbacks and basically,
if it goes really well, this is how good it
could go, or on the low end, this is sort
of what it becomes. So let's play the high low game.
We'll start with Caleb Williams. Well, everybody's comparing him to
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Patrick Mahomes, so we're not gonna outthink the room. He
has a lot of Patrick Mahomes capabilities. He moved around,
he's got a strong arm, there's arm angles. He's just
a very very unique talent Caleb Williams. So I would
say the high is Patrick Mahomes and the lowest Kyler
Murray maybe a little too much sandlot football spectacular but
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not as consistent as you thought he would be. The
high low game for Caleb Williams, Mahomes and Kyler Murray.
Drake may Well, the high low game for me on
Drake may is, first of all, Justin Herbert. So I
think Drake may actually looks and plays a little like
Justin Herbert. Herbert was more accurate consistently, but he's six
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three and a half. He's two twenty. He moves. The
low end is Carson Wins. He looks the part, but
he's just not consistent enough with his accuracy. Everything looks
like it should work. Nice arm, can move, big, strong,
can let it rip. He just doesn't deliver the ball
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squarely inaccurately enough. High low for Drake May is Justin
Herbert and Carson Wentz Okay, Jaden Daniels the high low game.
The high is easy for me. Lamar Jackson, electric runner
who is more than capable to make throws. In fact,
I think he's a better thrower out of college than
Lamar Jackson. The low end is RG three, which is
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he just takes two many hits for his small frame.
So the high low Jaden Daniels, Lamar Jackson in RG three.
JJ McCarthy high low game high. I think it's Alex Smith.
There's a lower ceiling. Coachable is gonna be about as
good in the NFL as his coaching and his surroundings.
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Smith was a bust until Jim Harbaugh and Andy Reid.
The low end is Marcus Mariota, slender frame, not really
able to carry average talent, can win games, may get
you to the playoffs. But the high end low end
for JJ McCarthy, high end Alex Smith, depends on the coach,
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low end Marcus Mariota, certain clear limitations, high end low
end bow Knicks. Now, I think the high end because
of accuracy, college starts in productivity is Drew Brees, coachable, accurate,
scheme up. The low end is Derek Carr. He's okay,
doesn't win enough, never feel like he's a top ten guy.
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There's something there, a pro pretty accurate, but not a
great deep ball, and you always feel like, yeah, we
should probably move on and get another quarterback bow Nicks
high low is Drew Brees and Derek Carr, and then
Michael Pennick, the kid I like out of Washington. I
think the high end is Mark Brunel, a really underrated
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all time quarterback, a lefty out of Washington. Moved very
very well. Smart guy, moved well out of Washington to
a beautiful ball. The low end is Jameis Winston. Again,
it looks the part, he's got, the arm, he can move,
just doesn't work enough. He just doesn't win enough. So
the high low for Michael Pennix, Mark Brunel, that's not
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a shot. Mark were a good player, got Jacksonville when
they were starting out to the playoffs. He goes Tom
Coffin was his coach. The low end is Jameis Winston.
Nobody doubts the first round talent throws a beautiful ball
but doesn't quite square up with what you want as
a franchise quarterback. All right. So that's my high low game.
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So any pushback on that, any pushback for you on
high low game.
Speaker 3 (17:32):
I just thought the lows were all like good quarterbacks, guys,
a multi year starter. I was waiting for Zach Wilson
as a.
Speaker 1 (17:40):
Lower well, Caleb Williams. First of all, I think these
quarterbacks two things. One, I think it's a good quarterback class. Two,
we have a lot of really smart offensive coaches, so
Caleb is the one that you have a defensive coach.
Uh oh, But the number two quarterback is going to
go to Cliff Kingsbury and a lot of draft picks
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and cap space in a kind of a weaker, you know,
weird wonky division. Sometimes we don't. We think Dallas is
going down and the Giants going down. So the Giants
Brian Dable could get a quarterback, and then the Vikings
Kevin O'Connell could get a quarterback, Sean Payton could get
a quarterback, Mike McDaniel could get a quarterback. I think
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in this quarterback class it's a better than average class.
It's better than average class. Let's start with that. And
I think there's a lot of highly clever, offensive young
coaches where these guys could land. So that's my takeaway,
bo Nix is Derek Carry's gonna make a ton of money,
be like a eight year starter in the league.
Speaker 3 (18:44):
Bo Nicks would take that in a heartbeat, wouldn't he.
That's not really a low Again, I think you're just
being really general. Look at the low end. Jamis Winston, like,
I mean, he started for like six years in the league.
Car still starter, Mariota, Yeah, like these guys I need
to see loads of like honestly, Zach Wilson remember remember
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a lot of draft classes that class.
Speaker 1 (19:08):
Zach Wilson COVID quarterback class. Mac Jones started one year,
Trey Lance almost no starts. What's different in this quarterback class?
Caleb Williams three years, two and a half years starting.
Bow Knicks sixty one starts. Michael Pennix five years, six
years of starting. This class is unique and that almost all.
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I think all these quarterbacks have multiple years of starting.
I mean Bow Knicks, Panix, Caleb, JJ McCarthy. That class
was the COVID class where like Zach Wilson played this
the weakest bee wise U schedule ever. I mean the
their toughest game that year could have been Coastal Carolina.
Speaker 3 (19:46):
How about like Rosen from UCLA or like a Jake Locker,
guys who basically within the.
Speaker 1 (19:52):
Jake Locker I never bought into. I said he was
a better t bow Ish kind of kind of you
know in years later after it was, you know, after
Jake Locker left, because Tebow I think was first. Jay c.
Locker basically was Tim Tebow with a better ball placement.
But that's all he kind of is. I never bought
into that at all. Part of it was because I
knew people that coached him and they didn't buy him right.
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But I think this is a really good class. I
really do.
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Speaker 1 (21:02):
Well. Every place he's been Division two on Up He's
ended up being the national coach of the Year at
that level. He's led his teams wherever Notre Dame LSU
to ten plus wins in seven straight seasons. I think
he's one of the smartest guys in the sport. Brian Kelly,
third year with LSU, is joining us before he heads
out to a golf course. His off season is about
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three weeks, so he's got the clubs ready. Right after
this interview, Brian, let's start with this. I like Jayden
Daniels a lot. If I had the number two pick,
I would take him. I worry a little bit about
his frame, a little bit, but the SEC's got NFL bodies.
Is that a fair concern that he is tall and
a little thin.
Speaker 5 (21:44):
Yeah, but I don't think you lose any sleep.
Speaker 7 (21:46):
I think if he was a poor decision maker, if
he was sloppy with the football, if he couldn't walk
into an NFL locker room and lead the guys, than
those are things that lead to not getting his sleep.
He can put on weight. Uh, those are those are
small concerns. He is a flat out playmaker. He will
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He'll change the look of your franchise. And I think
that that's why I believe he's the best quarterback in
the draft.
Speaker 1 (22:15):
Now. LSU doesn't lose a lot of games. What is
his temperament If you go to Washington and you get
you know, the media is big and they're allowed, and
it's cold, and they're beaten up on him and he's
seven and ten, and what's his makeup? His personality?
Speaker 7 (22:30):
Well, in his first year, where he struggled at times,
he was the same guy each and every week he
went to work.
Speaker 5 (22:38):
He continued to lead. He worked on his craft.
Speaker 7 (22:42):
So you know, this is a guy that you know
he can handle the ups and downs of it. You know,
he got he got knocked out of the game against Alabama,
can cussed in the game and found his way back
the next week against Florida and set an NCAA record.
Speaker 5 (22:58):
So this is a guy that gets not down and
gets back up the next week.
Speaker 1 (23:02):
So moleak Neighbors has a little obj. Lsu is a
wide receiver and and defensive back factory. He's a yards
after the catch guy. Again, let's ask the durability questions.
Can he play day one in the NFL? What do
you make of Mylakue Neighbors, who people now are saying
is a top five pick.
Speaker 7 (23:24):
Well, again, I had him for two years and and
in terms of a durability, every day of practice, and
I'm talking every day of practice in one on ones,
going up for balls, uh, competing in the red zone,
you know, playing in a bowl game. When when when
he didn't need to play in a bowl game. He
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he does not care. He wants to compete every single day.
So he's going to answer the belt. He's gonna play
every game. He's gonna compete. It's just in his DNA,
It's in his nature. So you know, look, there are
many great wide receivers in this draft.
Speaker 5 (23:58):
The first three or four as good as there have
been in a long time.
Speaker 7 (24:02):
Uh.
Speaker 5 (24:02):
Beauty is in the eye of the beholder when it
comes to wide receiver.
Speaker 7 (24:05):
But he can do it all yards after the catch,
elite speed, uh, and certainly can go up and get
the football. So again, I think he's going to change
the way an NFL team looks. Uh, and again, do
it right away.
Speaker 1 (24:18):
You did it Notre Dame. The Notre Dame. You won early,
but you weren't. You weren't seced deep early. By the
end of your stay, you went toe to toe with
Georgia twice and you looked the part no, no fools,
goal this was you had. You had backups that would
play in the NFL. Part of the secret to beating
an SEC team is o line play. Michigan had it
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this year where you can just protect your quarterback. You
did a remarkable job at Notre Dame. It became kind
of a factory for offensive linemen. Joe alt is somebody
you recruited. I think he's the best tackle that's what
my people say. I don't know if he's Trent Williams,
but did you know initially high schooled? Is this what
you perceived first tackle off the board? NFL Draft Top ten?
Speaker 7 (25:06):
Well, I think the only thing that was the question
mark was would he be able to put on the
weight necessary to be that anchor? And we felt very
confident with our strength and conditioning team and his demeanor
and the way he handled things and course the pedigree that.
Speaker 5 (25:23):
He was going to be able to do it.
Speaker 7 (25:24):
Look, you know, being a left tackle takes more than
just length and athletic ability. There are a lot of
guys that have that. His demeanor is outstanding. You know,
he has a ability to forget and move on to
the next play. The left tackle is going to get
the best of the best. I just think, you know,
the things that we don't talk about enough with the
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best offensive lineman is the right makeup. The demeanor of
a Joe Alt is that he's a pros pro. He's
going to go to work every day and he's going
to know you may get me once, but I'm going
to learn from that and I'm going to shut you
out when it's most important.
Speaker 5 (26:03):
And he's a very very smart football player.
Speaker 1 (26:06):
The great coaches in college. I think Nick Saban proved this.
He lost a lot of good coordinators. He reinvented his program.
They went from corners to receivers and quarterbacks. He reinvented it.
He didn't get stubborn. Mike Krzyzewski didn't like the one
and done initially, and then he joked, I kept getting
beat by one and done guys, so he went one
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and done. You if you start looking at what you're
going to have to face now, the transfer portal nil.
People can grumble about it, but Brian, it's here. It's
the reality of it. Give me something you like about
the transfer portal and everybody grumbles about it. You've used it,
Dion's used it, Lincoln's used it, Nick used it. What
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give me something you like about it?
Speaker 7 (26:52):
Well, you can manage your roster during this period of
time the second portal where you can't transfer within the SEC.
Speaker 5 (27:00):
You know you can manage your roster.
Speaker 7 (27:02):
Guys that are struggling at this level to play in
the SEC, they now can look for an escape route.
They can look for a place where they can go
and compete somewhere else. And it allows you to bring
somebody in that might be at a lower level that
can help your roster right away. So the ability to
manage your roster in this second portal is a positive
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thing from that perspective, where it allows kids to get
out and find a place and land at a school
where they can in fact compete and you can upgrade
your roster.
Speaker 5 (27:35):
So I think that's a positive from that perspective.
Speaker 1 (27:38):
When you left for LSU, I said, I totally get it.
It's easier to recruit southern schools warm weather than northern schools.
I completely get it. Notre Dame's got academics, it's tougher
than average, it's cold weather, it's a small town. I
got it. You got some pushback, but I think in
the end there's just most people understood it. The downside
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is ten wins is not good enough at LSU, you know.
I mean, it's like SEC they show up on Wednesday
and their winn a Bago for the game. Take me
through the move from Notre Dame to LSU. The describe
passion for somebody that's never been in the heart of
the South.
Speaker 7 (28:19):
Well, certainly there was an understanding that we had to
retool in a number of ways the roster was not
where it needed to be, and so there is a
little bit of grace, but you still have to compete.
We won the SEC West in our first year and
certainly in our second year, provided our fan base with
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the number one offense in the country. So again, you
can't just come down here and say.
Speaker 5 (28:45):
Hey, we're going to rebuild.
Speaker 7 (28:47):
You have to still provide a nationally qualifying football team,
which we did. But now the time is such that
we've had two years, we're building depth within our football team.
This has got to be a team that now competes
for a playoff spot and puts itself in a playoff
situation as we continue to build the depth of this roster,
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so we can be in the consistent conversation like a
Georgia and in Alabama and the teams that have been
there each and every year.
Speaker 1 (29:17):
Finally, he's getting overlooked because there's so many good receivers
and Malik Neighbors and Harrison and Romo Dundee are taking
all the press. You have a young man named Brian Thomas,
and again LSU does receivers like nobody else. What is he?
What's he like? Describe if I'd never seen him play,
and I'm an NFL GM and I don't. I haven't
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popped a tape in What would you tell me to expect?
Speaker 7 (29:43):
Well, first of all, his ability is not just about
running nine routes and going down the field and catching
the ball. His ability to break tackles, his ability to
make the difficult catches when when he's up in the air.
I mean, I'm talking about acrobatic catches. A guy that
can make the play after the catch. He's got yards
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after the catch. Again, a unique talent that again, when
when you look at it, wins the one on one matchups.
Speaker 5 (30:14):
Look, we had two guys.
Speaker 7 (30:16):
That if you doubled anybody, the other guy got one
on one matchups and he beat the best. So he's
just gonna add to an NFL roster and if you
give him one on one coverage, he's got elite speed,
he's got size and the ability to make plays after
the catch.
Speaker 1 (30:32):
All right, I know you're gonna go golf. Stay away
from Saban. All he does is golf, now, do not
stay away from it. Out It's all good for him.
He's happy in retirement.
Speaker 5 (30:42):
Thanks Brian, no doubt, take care, guys. Good having me
on all right.
Speaker 1 (30:47):
Brian Kelly LSU football coach Nick Saban's retiring. The way
you should grab the clubs, Dila says, I do the
chores in the morning, wife tells me what to do.
Do the chores. Then I'm out to the golf course.
My daughter told me yesterday she knows, dadd you know,
I want someday a golf cart. I want to live
somewhere where I can have a golf cart. That's where
you live. You live in one of those fancy places,
don't you. I think I never thought about a golf cart.
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Do you want one? Why are you looking at me.
Speaker 3 (31:12):
Like I don't? I mean, I don't. My daughter, they're great.
It's not like there's a ton of parking spots for them.
Though they're not that much of a help. It's just, man,
they're kind of cool.
Speaker 1 (31:23):
The idea.
Speaker 3 (31:24):
Yeah, you put a little speaker on one and maybe
dress it up with some Christmas lights. You got like
a nighttime vibe going on.
Speaker 7 (31:31):
Right.
Speaker 1 (31:33):
My daughter, out of the blue said that, Dad, I
want a golf cart. And I'm like, are you gonna retire?
Are you moving to retired? Del Boka Vista? What do
you mean? You're like You're like, you're like twenty three
years old, and she goes, others, wouldn't be great to
live somewhere you could go around the community and a
golf cart, And I said, I'm sixty. That's what I'm
looking for.
Speaker 3 (31:51):
Yeah, she's twenty three.
Speaker 1 (31:53):
You know you're playing as a golf cart. You know
she's ahead of her time. She's getting ready for retirement. Yeah,
has to work a little more.
Speaker 4 (32:00):
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Speaker 1 (32:00):
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So earlier this hour, I want to put it back up.
I did my high low Comp game with the quarterbacks
in the first round, the high Low Comp game, and
basically Jason's pushback was they're all good, and I said, well,
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I think this. First of all, these quarterbacks are unique.
Almost all of them have like thirty forty to fifty starts.
Bonix has sixty one. That's insane. That's the most starts
ever for a college quarterback. I do believe it's certainly
in the certainly in the ballpark of it. So I
think you have a lot of starts, a lot of
film that reduces the mis rate. It also gives you
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this generation of quarterbacks. Also, over the last four to
five years, this generation of quarterbacks has far more throws
in high school, in summer, in off season work. So
my high low for Caleb Williams high is Mahomes. Lowe
is Kyler Murray where he's a little off script too
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much high low. Drake May is justin Herbert and Carson Wentz.
He looks like Herbert, but Carson Wentz always struggled with
consistent accuracy. Jaden Daniels, Lamar and Robert Griffin. I do
worry about Jaden's frame and the NFL games faster taking
hits and getting beat up. JJ McCarthy is Alex Smith,
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which I think is a lower ceiling than you'd expect
for a first round quarterback, but mostly dependent on the
coach he gets to win. And then Marcus Mariota again
stayed around for a while, won some games. I think.
I think he made the playoffs, but I don't see
McCarthy as quite the talent of the others Bo Nicks,
Drew Brees. I do think if he goes to Denver
or a Mike McDaniel, he could be highly productive. I
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mean Tua puts up huge numbers with the right coach.
The other side is Derek Carr, and when I saw
him play live, I thought, you know, a better deep ball.
But Bo didn't have a big arm. He doesn't throw
the ball down the field great. A lot of it
was schemed up in college. Can he go off script?
What you have to do to win big in the NFL?
And then Michael Pennix junior is Mark Brunell and Jamis
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Winston and the Jameis Winston comp is he looked the part.
It just didn't win enough. And J McK if you
had to pick apart one, what would it be?
Speaker 3 (34:22):
I started to put together a list during the break.
What if I said JJ McCarthy's low end, and I
like JJ McCarthy need to preface that. What if his
low end was Josh Rosen? Would you would what would
you say?
Speaker 1 (34:35):
Josh Rosen?
Speaker 3 (34:36):
By the way, a lot of starts at UCLA.
Speaker 1 (34:39):
He is more mobile than Josh Rosen and won a
lot more games, so he's a bigger winner and he
moves better.
Speaker 3 (34:46):
Okay, what if I told you that Jaden daniels low end,
and I like Jayden Daniels needs to preface it. I'm
not a hater. What if I told you his low
end was Vince Young, what would you say?
Speaker 1 (34:56):
I mean Vince Young again, Gary, I don't think he's
that big strong, but I think he's a First of all,
I think he's a much better thrower than Vince Young.
He's not as big and strong. Vince Young won a
lot of games. I was never a fan, but won.
Speaker 3 (35:08):
A lot of game in college.
Speaker 1 (35:09):
Yeah, I mean in the NFL he was Okay, I
mean Jaden throws a better. Jaden is much better from
the pocket than Vince Young, and I'm not sure anybody's
been outside of lamar Vin Young was an un Vince
Young's the best high school football player in America ever quarterback?
Speaker 3 (35:23):
And then for Bo Knicks up just to be high
so I can be positive. What instead of Breeze, who's
a Lock Hall of Famer, what if I said Matt Ryan,
who's not a Lock Hall of Famer, did win an MVP.
Speaker 1 (35:33):
Maybe that's better, I think again, But but if Bo
Knicks is more athletic than Matt Ryan, he moves better? Yes,
and that so yeah, I mean early Drew Brees moved
pretty well. He didn't run a lot, but he could. Yeah,
I don't think that Drew Brees.
Speaker 3 (35:48):
Slam dunk Hall of Fame. I think even both bo
Nicks would have to be unbelievable. That's fair.
Speaker 1 (35:53):
That's fair. Matt Ryan and Derek Carr. Matt Ryan won
an MVP.
Speaker 3 (35:57):
He did, and he went to a Super Bowl.
Speaker 1 (35:58):
Should have won one. You should have piped up in
the morning meeting. I would have given you that one.
Speaker 3 (36:02):
Why would I give it away at the morning meeting
when I could do it here And it's a better back.
Speaker 1 (36:05):
And forth, good call. A lot of smart takes today,
Our three coming up.
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Speaker 1 (00:27):
All Right, it's a Tuesday, closer to the Draft, a
remarkable Round one NBA playoff night. It's the Herd wherever
you may be and however you may be listening. Thanks
for making us part of your day. Nick Right today,
LSU football coach Brian Kelly stops by today, Jmax. That
was an old timer Nicks at home with the Madison
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Square Garden crowd seemingly on the floor as this as
the players were on the floor lights. That was an
all time ending. And the Lakers Nuggets, I said yesterday
in the show Lakers losing over time. It was almost
that Lakers season was on the line. But those were
two great playoff games. Great, I mean I was exhausted.
Speaker 3 (01:14):
I had to go out and have a cigarette after
that first cigarette like twenty five years. I mean, it
was just an amazing night of sports coling.
Speaker 1 (01:21):
So the Lakers this morning and last night, they want
to blame the refs. They want to blame the replay system. Okay,
Not the Lebron James sixteen seconds left missed wide open three. Nah,
that wasn't it. Or the fact that Anthony Davis had
no points in the fourth quarter, Darvin Ham couldn't dial
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up a player, the fact that once again a Lakers
starter gave you a nothing burger ruey three points. Not
that in the last ten minutes the Lakers went away
from the pick and roll with Ad and Lebron. I
think Lebron just gets tired. No, the Lakers don't have
the talent or the versa two of Denver. Last night's
a great example. Jokic did not play well in the
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first half, Murray was awful in the first three quarters.
But because of their surrounding talent, they can keep it
close and make runs. These teams have played ten straight times.
The games all look the same, They're all close. We've
said all year, Lakers aren't gonna beat them, but they
match up with them well. The difference is though last night,
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last nine possessions for Denver. They scored on eight of them.
Why because Lebron and Ad in both games have had
to overcome a starter that gave you nothing. Dlo was
awful in game one and Ruey was awful in game two.
Jamal Murray wasn't good last night in the first three quarters,
but he was remarkable in the fourth. Jokic had a
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rare bad half, but he was money in the second half.
Denver always wins this game because Denver, their two stars
can have a bad quarter, can have a bad half,
they don't have to be gassed. Jokis just lets the
game come to him. He doesn't press when things are
going awry. He's got Gordon and Porter and KCP. He
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doesn't have to press. If Lebron doesn't get de Lo help,
he's got empty the tank. If AD doesn't get Ruey help,
he's got to empty the tank. And so I mean
again last night, Jokinchin Murray didn't do anything in the
first half, but in the last nine possessions, Denver scored
in eight. And those are the crunch time numbers. That's
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the best defense you'll face, that's the most pressure you'll face.
And this is what championship teams like Denver deliver. It's
not just that they have the best player in the world,
because Lebron and ad aren't far behind. It's the ability
for their star teammates, who often have bad halfs, to
still be brilliant, like Jamal Murray when you need him
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deliver And in that fourth quarter, whereas Dlo was bad
the entire game and Ruey was awful last night the
entire game, Jamal Murray as a star and three bad
quarters later, came in and sealed the game with this
merle maps and moons.
Speaker 4 (04:24):
One.
Speaker 1 (04:30):
Now they're gonna go back to LA. The games will
be close, the Lakers will empty the tank. But this
has been the most predictable series of all of them.
The Lakers matchup well. The Lakers have two stars, but
Lebron and a d are always have to overcome a
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week bench sometimes regrettable substitution patterns by Darvin Ham And
by the end of the game, what's eighty we have
left not much offensively? And here was a d when
asked about Murray's game winner.
Speaker 2 (05:06):
Can you take us through that last play and just
what happened and what unfolded and what was I don't
know if you were screened or what happened on that
last play.
Speaker 1 (05:15):
Jamal Murrey radershot. Yeah, that sums it up. Jamal Murray
hit a shot. Okay. What is the constant? Been in
Philadelphia for eight years, They've had multiple GMS. Nick Nurse
is Embad's third coach. We had the trial balloon with
(05:37):
Ben Simmons, James Harden. Now it's Tyrese, Maxey, Tobias Harris,
draft picks, the process. The constant is MBID and superstars.
That's what he's been labeled. He's a superstar. I don't know.
I've got a higher standard. To be a superstar in
the NBA, you have to, you know, once win a
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second round playoff series in the much much weaker Eastern Conference.
I don't know, just one time. GMS coaches teammates Stars, Simmons, Harden.
Now he's got Maxie and these Knicks, though Gutty are
hardly the Shaq Kobe Lakers. They're doing it on Guyle Moxie, toughness.
(06:20):
They want it more, they care more. That last sequence
for the Knicks, it was all desire and effort. I mean,
embiid first two games, no rebounds in the fourth quarter
through two games? Is he ewing on the floor? What
am I missing? No rebounds? Rebounds is an effort. Staff
(06:41):
Dennis Rodman wasn't skilled, Ben Wallace wasn't a world class
basket It's effort. Rebounds are effort. Embiid seven to two superstar?
Did Shaq ever have two games with no rebounds in
the fourth quarter through two? I don't think so. Did
a Keem He has the talent, he doesn't. He has
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the size, he lacks effort. If you go look at
Joel Embiid's playoff career, his numbers plummet in the fourth
is plus minus his field goals, his rebound, everything goes down.
That's effort. I understand. Biggs get tired, Biggs get beat up.
I get that. But when Tyrese Maxi, with one h
nine left, hit a three, the score was one hundred
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and ninety six Philadelphia. In fact, the Nix's next two possessions,
they didn't get a field goal. It was their game now.
Kyle Lowry missed a free throw that was big, and
Jalen Brunson got a bit of a break on that
bounce on the three. Absolutely, But in the NBA, you're
a superstar if you win in April, May and June
and you have a big personality. Kawhi doesn't, Jokic does it.
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They're stars, But you're a superstar if you win in April,
May and June and you have a big personality. And
then BID's got plenty of personality. But I waited through
trust the process and Ben Simmons and James Harden and
now Tyree's Maxie and multiple coaches and Nick nurses the
third and multiple GMS and raft picks and moving in
and I get the same thing. Big games in the
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East in the playoffs late, where's mbat? I just didn't
see the effort. I watched that last sequence. By the
next they were done, it was over. MAXI hits a three.
Next two times down under a minute, they don't get
a field goal. It's over. And then it became rugby
on the floor. Did you have any doubt without balling
on the floor the Knicks would come up with it?
Was there any doubt for a second who was going
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to come up with the basketball? Even even Genzo second three?
It was about effort. Nobody blocked out the next So
here's Joel Embiid on that crazy final sequence.
Speaker 4 (08:38):
Everybody on the floor was trying to call Tom mob myself,
including Nicole coach Asalan, but that didn't give it to us.
But you know, forget about of Tom. There's a bunch
of falls. Yeah, that's yeah. Like I said, un sucked
the ball.
Speaker 5 (08:54):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (08:55):
I keep hearing the Sixers last night in this morning
complained about and there was no time out. You know
what I saw, nobody blocked out, no effort. That last
night was all about desire. That game was over. Knicks
were cooked. One hundred and ninety six, didn't score on
their next two possessions. Game was over. It's over. MB
no rebounds last first two games in the series, fourth quarter.
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I mean that that was all effort, all desire. These
Knicks Jalen Brunson is not playing well, Julius Randall isn't available,
and they're beating two stars in this league, one that
has been labeled a superstar. I don't want to hear
about timeouts. I don't want to hear about time I
don't want to hear about you miss this, you missed it,
I missed the effort. Where is it? It is all
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on the Knicks. You can watch a sporting event You
don't see this a lot in hockey, you don't see
a lot in baseball, but you do see in the
NBA some load management teams wanting it more and more physicality.
That was an effort win. It wasn't a talent win.
Don't don't get me talent Even jen Zones bounce around
the league. It's not a talent thing. That was an
effort thing. J Mac, that was so much fun last night.
(10:02):
You know, some nights I just know I gotta I'm
gonna stay home, I'm gonna order out, and I'm gonna
stay home. And sometimes it's work. Sometimes I don't necessarily
want to watch a Thursday night football game on Amazon.
Carolina Panthers involved. Its work last night was not work
last night is why we do this job. Sitting home
watching those games, having a blast.
Speaker 3 (10:20):
I mean, the Knicks game came out of nowhere. I
thought they were cooked, you know, down five.
Speaker 1 (10:24):
With Philly out played him for three quarters, Philadelphia for
two and a half quarters.
Speaker 3 (10:27):
Was at Brunson, looked at Brunson is not having a
great start to the series.
Speaker 1 (10:30):
Well, that's because they've relied on him so much much. Yeah, yeah,
I mean, I mean Brunson is to a large degree,
looks he's lost his leg.
Speaker 3 (10:37):
I think he's shooting twenty nine percent through TV's like,
that's not the same.
Speaker 1 (10:40):
I thought predictable.
Speaker 3 (10:41):
I thought the series was over when the Knicks were
down five. I'm like, I don't know how you go
to Philly and steel won with no offense, but the
Lakers would call it. I I don't know that I've
been that gutted from a loss in sports since maybe
maybe the Jets in the AFC Championship game way back
when against the Steelers with Sanchez a quarterback. That's how
long it's been. Twenty point lead.
Speaker 1 (11:05):
You gotta remember the twenty point lead was like sixty
eight to forty eight. You can build. People will say this, well,
Michael Jordan never lost twenty point leads the three point shot.
Speaker 3 (11:15):
Totally fine to open the fourth column.
Speaker 1 (11:19):
That that point is a couple bad possessions and they
hit two threes and you're down to four time out.
Speaker 3 (11:24):
It's not a couple of bad possessions. Darvin Haham totally
botched the rotations. You can't start the fourth up ten
on the road season on the line with Dinwitty Jackson
as Gentririan prints on the court.
Speaker 1 (11:35):
You cannot do.
Speaker 3 (11:36):
I'm I text a bunch of Laker fans. They were
like all caps Darvin Ham, what do you you know?
Speaker 1 (11:41):
Like?
Speaker 3 (11:42):
But again they had the gate Jamal Murray, Jamal Murray's him,
he is him. I mean that shot over a D
I was.
Speaker 1 (11:50):
I mean, I'll say this, though a D, the fact
that he didn't get top three in voting for defensive
Player of the Year, I would voted him number one.
Speaker 4 (12:01):
He is.
Speaker 1 (12:02):
Jokic has very few bad halfs. Yokich was irrelevant in
the first half. A D was a D and Jokic
in the first half. AD may have played the best
half of basketball in a year by a big man.
Would you rather have a better second half than a
front would? But when Ruey doesn't show up and it
takes a while for teammates, No d lo in the
first half was money. But Anthony Davis just having any kind.
Speaker 3 (12:23):
Of emptied the tank in the first half, fourth quarter,
he's that's what he shoots is one three pointer from
the quarter, AD, what.
Speaker 2 (12:29):
Are you doing?
Speaker 3 (12:30):
Take him downtown? Take him inside a D. Zero points
in the fourth column. That was an emb like disappearing.
Speaker 1 (12:36):
I'll almost give Lebron an ad a little bit of
a break in the fourth because they're gassed because they
have to carry the team. Jolkich had a bad first half.
He wasn't gassed because he has people to pick up
for him, Gordon and Porter and KCP and eventually Murray.
Speaker 3 (12:49):
Well Reeves chased around Murray. He had nothing ruey guarding.
Jokic did a good job first half, right, but one
of seven offense, Like, it's just the Nuggets are good man.
Speaker 1 (12:58):
Yeah, great team away. Forty five minutes from now, we're
gonna take all the potential first round quarterbacks and play
the high low game. What is their high comp? What
if it doesn't work? What is their low comp. It's
a lot of fun, you know, you put yourself out there.
It's one of my favorite segments of the year. We
do it once we take the quarterbacks. We play high
low at the best? What is Michael Pennix at the worst?
(13:21):
What is Pennix? We'll play the high low game in
forty five minutes.
Speaker 2 (13:24):
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Speaker 1 (13:33):
All Right, we play this game every year. It's kind
of funny because people make fun of my my comps
on this. But we're gonna play the high low game.
I'm gonna take all the first round quarterbacks and basically,
if it goes really well, this is how good it
could go, or on the low end, this is sort
of what it becomes. So let's play the high low game.
We'll start with Caleb Williams. Well, everybody's comparing him to
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Patrick Mahomes, so we're not gonna outthink the room. He
has a lot of Patrick Mahomes capabilities. He moved around,
he's got a strong arm, there's arm angles. He's just
a very very unique talent Caleb Williams. So I would
say the high is Patrick Mahomes and the lowest Kyler
Murray maybe a little too much sandlot football spectacular but
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not as consistent as you thought he would be. The
high low game for Caleb Williams, Mahomes and Kyler Murray.
Drake may Well, the high low game for me on
Drake may is, first of all, Justin Herbert. So I
think Drake may actually looks and plays a little like
Justin Herbert. Herbert was more accurate consistently, but he's six
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three and a half. He's two twenty. He moves. The
low end is Carson Wins. He looks the part, but
he's just not consistent enough with his accuracy. Everything looks
like it should work. Nice arm, can move, big, strong,
can let it rip. He just doesn't deliver the ball
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squarely inaccurately enough. High low for Drake May is Justin
Herbert and Carson Wentz Okay, Jaden Daniels the high low game.
The high is easy for me. Lamar Jackson, electric runner
who is more than capable to make throws. In fact,
I think he's a better thrower out of college than
Lamar Jackson. The low end is RG three, which is
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he just takes two many hits for his small frame.
So the high low Jaden Daniels, Lamar Jackson in RG three.
JJ McCarthy high low game high. I think it's Alex Smith.
There's a lower ceiling. Coachable is gonna be about as
good in the NFL as his coaching and his surroundings.
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Smith was a bust until Jim Harbaugh and Andy Reid.
The low end is Marcus Mariota, slender frame, not really
able to carry average talent, can win games, may get
you to the playoffs. But the high end low end
for JJ McCarthy, high end Alex Smith, depends on the coach,
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low end Marcus Mariota, certain clear limitations, high end low
end bow Knicks. Now, I think the high end because
of accuracy, college starts in productivity is Drew Brees, coachable, accurate,
scheme up. The low end is Derek Carr. He's okay,
doesn't win enough, never feel like he's a top ten guy.
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There's something there, a pro pretty accurate, but not a
great deep ball, and you always feel like, yeah, we
should probably move on and get another quarterback bow Nicks
high low is Drew Brees and Derek Carr, and then
Michael Pennick, the kid I like out of Washington. I
think the high end is Mark Brunel, a really underrated
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all time quarterback, a lefty out of Washington. Moved very
very well. Smart guy, moved well out of Washington to
a beautiful ball. The low end is Jameis Winston. Again,
it looks the part, he's got, the arm, he can move,
just doesn't work enough. He just doesn't win enough. So
the high low for Michael Pennix, Mark Brunel, that's not
(17:06):
a shot. Mark were a good player, got Jacksonville when
they were starting out to the playoffs. He goes Tom
Coffin was his coach. The low end is Jameis Winston.
Nobody doubts the first round talent throws a beautiful ball
but doesn't quite square up with what you want as
a franchise quarterback. All right. So that's my high low game.
(17:28):
So any pushback on that, any pushback for you on
high low game.
Speaker 3 (17:32):
I just thought the lows were all like good quarterbacks, guys,
a multi year starter. I was waiting for Zach Wilson
as a.
Speaker 1 (17:40):
Lower well, Caleb Williams. First of all, I think these
quarterbacks two things. One, I think it's a good quarterback class. Two,
we have a lot of really smart offensive coaches, so
Caleb is the one that you have a defensive coach.
Uh oh, But the number two quarterback is going to
go to Cliff Kingsbury and a lot of draft picks
(18:01):
and cap space in a kind of a weaker, you know,
weird wonky division. Sometimes we don't. We think Dallas is
going down and the Giants going down. So the Giants
Brian Dable could get a quarterback, and then the Vikings
Kevin O'Connell could get a quarterback, Sean Payton could get
a quarterback, Mike McDaniel could get a quarterback. I think
(18:23):
in this quarterback class it's a better than average class.
It's better than average class. Let's start with that. And
I think there's a lot of highly clever, offensive young
coaches where these guys could land. So that's my takeaway,
bo Nix is Derek Carry's gonna make a ton of money,
be like a eight year starter in the league.
Speaker 3 (18:44):
Bo Nicks would take that in a heartbeat, wouldn't he.
That's not really a low Again, I think you're just
being really general. Look at the low end. Jamis Winston, like,
I mean, he started for like six years in the league.
Car still starter, Mariota, Yeah, like these guys I need
to see loads of like honestly, Zach Wilson remember remember
(19:05):
a lot of draft classes that class.
Speaker 1 (19:08):
Zach Wilson COVID quarterback class. Mac Jones started one year,
Trey Lance almost no starts. What's different in this quarterback class?
Caleb Williams three years, two and a half years starting.
Bow Knicks sixty one starts. Michael Pennix five years, six
years of starting. This class is unique and that almost all.
(19:30):
I think all these quarterbacks have multiple years of starting.
I mean Bow Knicks, Panix, Caleb, JJ McCarthy. That class
was the COVID class where like Zach Wilson played this
the weakest bee wise U schedule ever. I mean the
their toughest game that year could have been Coastal Carolina.
Speaker 3 (19:46):
How about like Rosen from UCLA or like a Jake Locker,
guys who basically within the.
Speaker 1 (19:52):
Jake Locker I never bought into. I said he was
a better t bow Ish kind of kind of you
know in years later after it was, you know, after
Jake Locker left, because Tebow I think was first. Jay c.
Locker basically was Tim Tebow with a better ball placement.
But that's all he kind of is. I never bought
into that at all. Part of it was because I
knew people that coached him and they didn't buy him right.
(20:12):
But I think this is a really good class. I
really do.
Speaker 2 (20:15):
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Speaker 1 (21:02):
Well. Every place he's been Division two on Up He's
ended up being the national coach of the Year at
that level. He's led his teams wherever Notre Dame LSU
to ten plus wins in seven straight seasons. I think
he's one of the smartest guys in the sport. Brian Kelly,
third year with LSU, is joining us before he heads
out to a golf course. His off season is about
(21:22):
three weeks, so he's got the clubs ready. Right after
this interview, Brian, let's start with this. I like Jayden
Daniels a lot. If I had the number two pick,
I would take him. I worry a little bit about
his frame, a little bit, but the SEC's got NFL bodies.
Is that a fair concern that he is tall and
a little thin.
Speaker 5 (21:44):
Yeah, but I don't think you lose any sleep.
Speaker 7 (21:46):
I think if he was a poor decision maker, if
he was sloppy with the football, if he couldn't walk
into an NFL locker room and lead the guys, than
those are things that lead to not getting his sleep.
He can put on weight. Uh, those are those are
small concerns. He is a flat out playmaker. He will
(22:07):
He'll change the look of your franchise. And I think
that that's why I believe he's the best quarterback in
the draft.
Speaker 1 (22:15):
Now. LSU doesn't lose a lot of games. What is
his temperament If you go to Washington and you get
you know, the media is big and they're allowed, and
it's cold, and they're beaten up on him and he's
seven and ten, and what's his makeup? His personality?
Speaker 7 (22:30):
Well, in his first year, where he struggled at times,
he was the same guy each and every week he
went to work.
Speaker 5 (22:38):
He continued to lead. He worked on his craft.
Speaker 7 (22:42):
So you know, this is a guy that you know
he can handle the ups and downs of it. You know,
he got he got knocked out of the game against Alabama,
can cussed in the game and found his way back
the next week against Florida and set an NCAA record.
Speaker 5 (22:58):
So this is a guy that gets not down and
gets back up the next week.
Speaker 1 (23:02):
So moleak Neighbors has a little obj. Lsu is a
wide receiver and and defensive back factory. He's a yards
after the catch guy. Again, let's ask the durability questions.
Can he play day one in the NFL? What do
you make of Mylakue Neighbors, who people now are saying
is a top five pick.
Speaker 7 (23:24):
Well, again, I had him for two years and and
in terms of a durability, every day of practice, and
I'm talking every day of practice in one on ones,
going up for balls, uh, competing in the red zone,
you know, playing in a bowl game. When when when
he didn't need to play in a bowl game. He
(23:44):
he does not care. He wants to compete every single day.
So he's going to answer the belt. He's gonna play
every game. He's gonna compete. It's just in his DNA,
It's in his nature. So you know, look, there are
many great wide receivers in this draft.
Speaker 5 (23:58):
The first three or four as good as there have
been in a long time.
Speaker 7 (24:02):
Uh.
Speaker 5 (24:02):
Beauty is in the eye of the beholder when it
comes to wide receiver.
Speaker 7 (24:05):
But he can do it all yards after the catch,
elite speed, uh, and certainly can go up and get
the football. So again, I think he's going to change
the way an NFL team looks. Uh, and again, do
it right away.
Speaker 1 (24:18):
You did it Notre Dame. The Notre Dame. You won early,
but you weren't. You weren't seced deep early. By the
end of your stay, you went toe to toe with
Georgia twice and you looked the part no, no fools,
goal this was you had. You had backups that would
play in the NFL. Part of the secret to beating
an SEC team is o line play. Michigan had it
(24:40):
this year where you can just protect your quarterback. You
did a remarkable job at Notre Dame. It became kind
of a factory for offensive linemen. Joe alt is somebody
you recruited. I think he's the best tackle that's what
my people say. I don't know if he's Trent Williams,
but did you know initially high schooled? Is this what
you perceived first tackle off the board? NFL Draft Top ten?
Speaker 7 (25:06):
Well, I think the only thing that was the question
mark was would he be able to put on the
weight necessary to be that anchor? And we felt very
confident with our strength and conditioning team and his demeanor
and the way he handled things and course the pedigree that.
Speaker 5 (25:23):
He was going to be able to do it.
Speaker 7 (25:24):
Look, you know, being a left tackle takes more than
just length and athletic ability. There are a lot of
guys that have that. His demeanor is outstanding. You know,
he has a ability to forget and move on to
the next play. The left tackle is going to get
the best of the best. I just think, you know,
the things that we don't talk about enough with the
(25:45):
best offensive lineman is the right makeup. The demeanor of
a Joe Alt is that he's a pros pro. He's
going to go to work every day and he's going
to know you may get me once, but I'm going
to learn from that and I'm going to shut you
out when it's most important.
Speaker 5 (26:03):
And he's a very very smart football player.
Speaker 1 (26:06):
The great coaches in college. I think Nick Saban proved this.
He lost a lot of good coordinators. He reinvented his program.
They went from corners to receivers and quarterbacks. He reinvented it.
He didn't get stubborn. Mike Krzyzewski didn't like the one
and done initially, and then he joked, I kept getting
beat by one and done guys, so he went one
(26:26):
and done. You if you start looking at what you're
going to have to face now, the transfer portal nil.
People can grumble about it, but Brian, it's here. It's
the reality of it. Give me something you like about
the transfer portal and everybody grumbles about it. You've used it,
Dion's used it, Lincoln's used it, Nick used it. What
(26:48):
give me something you like about it?
Speaker 7 (26:52):
Well, you can manage your roster during this period of
time the second portal where you can't transfer within the SEC.
Speaker 5 (27:00):
You know you can manage your roster.
Speaker 7 (27:02):
Guys that are struggling at this level to play in
the SEC, they now can look for an escape route.
They can look for a place where they can go
and compete somewhere else. And it allows you to bring
somebody in that might be at a lower level that
can help your roster right away. So the ability to
manage your roster in this second portal is a positive
(27:25):
thing from that perspective, where it allows kids to get
out and find a place and land at a school
where they can in fact compete and you can upgrade
your roster.
Speaker 5 (27:35):
So I think that's a positive from that perspective.
Speaker 1 (27:38):
When you left for LSU, I said, I totally get it.
It's easier to recruit southern schools warm weather than northern schools.
I completely get it. Notre Dame's got academics, it's tougher
than average, it's cold weather, it's a small town. I
got it. You got some pushback, but I think in
the end there's just most people understood it. The downside
(27:59):
is ten wins is not good enough at LSU, you know.
I mean, it's like SEC they show up on Wednesday
and their winn a Bago for the game. Take me
through the move from Notre Dame to LSU. The describe
passion for somebody that's never been in the heart of
the South.
Speaker 7 (28:19):
Well, certainly there was an understanding that we had to
retool in a number of ways the roster was not
where it needed to be, and so there is a
little bit of grace, but you still have to compete.
We won the SEC West in our first year and
certainly in our second year, provided our fan base with
(28:41):
the number one offense in the country. So again, you
can't just come down here and say.
Speaker 5 (28:45):
Hey, we're going to rebuild.
Speaker 7 (28:47):
You have to still provide a nationally qualifying football team,
which we did. But now the time is such that
we've had two years, we're building depth within our football team.
This has got to be a team that now competes
for a playoff spot and puts itself in a playoff
situation as we continue to build the depth of this roster,
(29:09):
so we can be in the consistent conversation like a
Georgia and in Alabama and the teams that have been
there each and every year.
Speaker 1 (29:17):
Finally, he's getting overlooked because there's so many good receivers
and Malik Neighbors and Harrison and Romo Dundee are taking
all the press. You have a young man named Brian Thomas,
and again LSU does receivers like nobody else. What is he?
What's he like? Describe if I'd never seen him play,
and I'm an NFL GM and I don't. I haven't
(29:37):
popped a tape in What would you tell me to expect?
Speaker 7 (29:43):
Well, first of all, his ability is not just about
running nine routes and going down the field and catching
the ball. His ability to break tackles, his ability to
make the difficult catches when when he's up in the air.
I mean, I'm talking about acrobatic catches. A guy that
can make the play after the catch. He's got yards
(30:05):
after the catch. Again, a unique talent that again, when
when you look at it, wins the one on one matchups.
Speaker 5 (30:14):
Look, we had two guys.
Speaker 7 (30:16):
That if you doubled anybody, the other guy got one
on one matchups and he beat the best. So he's
just gonna add to an NFL roster and if you
give him one on one coverage, he's got elite speed,
he's got size and the ability to make plays after
the catch.
Speaker 1 (30:32):
All right, I know you're gonna go golf. Stay away
from Saban. All he does is golf, now, do not
stay away from it. Out It's all good for him.
He's happy in retirement.
Speaker 5 (30:42):
Thanks Brian, no doubt, take care, guys. Good having me
on all right.
Speaker 1 (30:47):
Brian Kelly LSU football coach Nick Saban's retiring. The way
you should grab the clubs, Dila says, I do the
chores in the morning, wife tells me what to do.
Do the chores. Then I'm out to the golf course.
My daughter told me yesterday she knows, dadd you know,
I want someday a golf cart. I want to live
somewhere where I can have a golf cart. That's where
you live. You live in one of those fancy places,
don't you. I think I never thought about a golf cart.
(31:09):
Do you want one? Why are you looking at me.
Speaker 3 (31:12):
Like I don't? I mean, I don't. My daughter, they're great.
It's not like there's a ton of parking spots for them.
Though they're not that much of a help. It's just, man,
they're kind of cool.
Speaker 1 (31:23):
The idea.
Speaker 3 (31:24):
Yeah, you put a little speaker on one and maybe
dress it up with some Christmas lights. You got like
a nighttime vibe going on.
Speaker 7 (31:31):
Right.
Speaker 1 (31:33):
My daughter, out of the blue said that, Dad, I
want a golf cart. And I'm like, are you gonna retire?
Are you moving to retired? Del Boka Vista? What do
you mean? You're like You're like, you're like twenty three
years old, and she goes, others, wouldn't be great to
live somewhere you could go around the community and a
golf cart, And I said, I'm sixty. That's what I'm
looking for.
Speaker 3 (31:51):
Yeah, she's twenty three.
Speaker 1 (31:53):
You know you're playing as a golf cart. You know
she's ahead of her time. She's getting ready for retirement. Yeah,
has to work a little more.
Speaker 4 (32:00):
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So earlier this hour, I want to put it back up.
I did my high low Comp game with the quarterbacks
in the first round, the high Low Comp game, and
basically Jason's pushback was they're all good, and I said, well,
(32:24):
I think this. First of all, these quarterbacks are unique.
Almost all of them have like thirty forty to fifty starts.
Bonix has sixty one. That's insane. That's the most starts
ever for a college quarterback. I do believe it's certainly
in the certainly in the ballpark of it. So I
think you have a lot of starts, a lot of
film that reduces the mis rate. It also gives you
(32:47):
this generation of quarterbacks. Also, over the last four to
five years, this generation of quarterbacks has far more throws
in high school, in summer, in off season work. So
my high low for Caleb Williams high is Mahomes. Lowe
is Kyler Murray where he's a little off script too
(33:07):
much high low. Drake May is justin Herbert and Carson Wentz.
He looks like Herbert, but Carson Wentz always struggled with
consistent accuracy. Jaden Daniels, Lamar and Robert Griffin. I do
worry about Jaden's frame and the NFL games faster taking
hits and getting beat up. JJ McCarthy is Alex Smith,
(33:29):
which I think is a lower ceiling than you'd expect
for a first round quarterback, but mostly dependent on the
coach he gets to win. And then Marcus Mariota again
stayed around for a while, won some games. I think.
I think he made the playoffs, but I don't see
McCarthy as quite the talent of the others Bo Nicks,
Drew Brees. I do think if he goes to Denver
or a Mike McDaniel, he could be highly productive. I
(33:51):
mean Tua puts up huge numbers with the right coach.
The other side is Derek Carr, and when I saw
him play live, I thought, you know, a better deep ball.
But Bo didn't have a big arm. He doesn't throw
the ball down the field great. A lot of it
was schemed up in college. Can he go off script?
What you have to do to win big in the NFL?
And then Michael Pennix junior is Mark Brunell and Jamis
(34:13):
Winston and the Jameis Winston comp is he looked the part.
It just didn't win enough. And J McK if you
had to pick apart one, what would it be?
Speaker 3 (34:22):
I started to put together a list during the break.
What if I said JJ McCarthy's low end, and I
like JJ McCarthy need to preface that. What if his
low end was Josh Rosen? Would you would what would
you say?
Speaker 1 (34:35):
Josh Rosen?
Speaker 3 (34:36):
By the way, a lot of starts at UCLA.
Speaker 1 (34:39):
He is more mobile than Josh Rosen and won a
lot more games, so he's a bigger winner and he
moves better.
Speaker 3 (34:46):
Okay, what if I told you that Jaden daniels low end,
and I like Jayden Daniels needs to preface it. I'm
not a hater. What if I told you his low
end was Vince Young, what would you say?
Speaker 1 (34:56):
I mean Vince Young again, Gary, I don't think he's
that big strong, but I think he's a First of all,
I think he's a much better thrower than Vince Young.
He's not as big and strong. Vince Young won a
lot of games. I was never a fan, but won.
Speaker 3 (35:08):
A lot of game in college.
Speaker 1 (35:09):
Yeah, I mean in the NFL he was Okay, I
mean Jaden throws a better. Jaden is much better from
the pocket than Vince Young, and I'm not sure anybody's
been outside of lamar Vin Young was an un Vince
Young's the best high school football player in America ever quarterback?
Speaker 3 (35:23):
And then for Bo Knicks up just to be high
so I can be positive. What instead of Breeze, who's
a Lock Hall of Famer, what if I said Matt Ryan,
who's not a Lock Hall of Famer, did win an MVP.
Speaker 1 (35:33):
Maybe that's better, I think again, But but if Bo
Knicks is more athletic than Matt Ryan, he moves better? Yes,
and that so yeah, I mean early Drew Brees moved
pretty well. He didn't run a lot, but he could. Yeah,
I don't think that Drew Brees.
Speaker 3 (35:48):
Slam dunk Hall of Fame. I think even both bo
Nicks would have to be unbelievable. That's fair.
Speaker 1 (35:53):
That's fair. Matt Ryan and Derek Carr. Matt Ryan won
an MVP.
Speaker 3 (35:57):
He did, and he went to a Super Bowl.
Speaker 1 (35:58):
Should have won one. You should have piped up in
the morning meeting. I would have given you that one.
Speaker 3 (36:02):
Why would I give it away at the morning meeting
when I could do it here And it's a better back.
Speaker 1 (36:05):
And forth, good call. A lot of smart takes today,
Our three coming up.
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