April 23, 2024 • 42 mins
He gives his annual "High-Low" comps for each of the top QB prospects in the NFL draft
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Speaker 1 (00:26):
All Right, here we go our two. It is a Tuesday.
Nick Wright five minutes. Brian Kelly, LSU football coach, Jaden Daniels,
coach at College for the Tigers, joining us in forty minutes.
It's the Herd wherever you may be and however you
may be listening. Things for making us part of your day,
jamac Last night was just so good. The NIXT game
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was fantastic. The Denver Laker finish was unbelievable. Bad night
for NBA haters Because I don't know what the ratings are,
they had to be good, totally, ultimately captivating. I don't care,
thought Philly in the we're gonna pull off wins. Nope,
by the way, I don't care. We don't care if
the ratings are bad. All we care about is good games,
good drama, good storylines. But home team's now eleven and
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oh straight up in.
Speaker 3 (01:10):
The NBA playoffs. Colin, that ends tonight with a big thud.
We gave out winners yesterday.
Speaker 1 (01:14):
Right, Dallas winning tonight on the road? Lock it up
first half two, Dallas over the clips. You and I
both agree with that? Oh yeah, right, all right? We
play this game every year. It's kind of funny because
people make fun of my cops on this. But we're
gonna play the high low game. I'm gonna take all
the first round quarterbacks and basically, if it goes really well,
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this is how good it could go, or on the
low end, this is sort of what it becomes. So
let's play the high low game. We'll start with Caleb Williams. Well,
everybody's comparing him to Patrick Mahomes, so we're not gonna
outthink the room. He has a lot of Patrick Mahomes capabilities.
He moves around, he's got a strong arm, there's arm angles.
He's just a very very unique talent Caleb Williams. So
I would say the high is Patrick Mahomes and the
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lowest Kyler Murray. Maybe a little too much sandlot football spectacular,
but not as consistent as you thought he would be
the high low game for Kayleb Williams, Mahomes and Kyler
Murray Drake may Well. The high low game for me
on Drake may is first of all Justin Herbert, So
I think Drake may actually looks and plays a little
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like Justin Herbert. Herbert was more accurate consistently, but he's
six three and a half. He's two twenty. He moves.
The low end is Carson Wins. He looks the part,
but he's just not consistent enough with his accuracy. Everything
looks like it should work. Nice arm, can move, big, strong,
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can let it rip. He just doesn't deliver the ball
squarely inaccurately enough. High low for Drake may is Justin
Herbert and Carson Wentz Okay Jadeen Daniel it the high
low game. The high is easy for me. Lamar Jackson,
electric runner who is more than capable to make throws.
In fact, I think he's a better thrower out of
college than Lamar Jackson. The low end is RG three,
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which is he just takes two many hits for his
small frame. So the high low Jaden Daniels, Lamar Jackson
in RG three, JJ McCarthy high low game high. I
think it's Alex Smith. There's a lower ceiling. Coachable is
going to be about as good in the NFL as
his coaching and his surroundings. Smith was a bust until
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Jim Harbaugh and Andy Reid. The low end is Marcus Mariota,
slender frame, not really able to carry average talent, can
win games, may get you to the playoffs, but the
high end low end for JJ McCarthy, high end Alex Smith,
depends on the coach. Low end Marcus Mariota, certain clear limitations,
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high end low end bow Knicks. Now, I think the
high end because of accuracy college starts in productivity is
Drew Brees, coachable, accurate, scheme up. The low end is
Derek Carr. He's okay, doesn't win enough, never feel like
he's a top ten guy. There's something there a pro
pretty accurate, but not a great deep ball, and you
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always feel like, yeah, we should probably move on and
get another quarterback. Bow Nicks high low is Drew Brees
and Derek Carr, and then Michael Pennix, the kid I
like out of Washington. I think the high end is
Mark Brunell, a really underrated all time quarterback a lefty
out of Washington, move very very well. Smart guy moved
well out of Washington to a beautiful ball. The low
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end is Jameis Winston. Again, it looks the part, he's
got the arm, he can move. It just doesn't work enough.
He just doesn't win enough. So the high low for
Michael Pennix, Mark Brunell, that's not a shot because really
good player got Jacksonville when they were starting out to
the playoffs. He goes Tom Cofflin was his coach. The
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low end is Jameis Winston. Nobody doubts the first round
talent throws a beautiful ball, but doesn't quite square up
with what you want as a franchise quarterback. All right,
So that's my high low game. So any pushback on that,
any pushback for you on high low game.
Speaker 3 (05:25):
I just thought the lows were all like good quarterbacks, guys,
a multi year starter.
Speaker 2 (05:30):
I was waiting for Zach Wilson as.
Speaker 1 (05:33):
A loyal Well, Caleb Williams. First of all, I think
these quarterbacks two things. One, I think it's a good
quarterback class. Two, we have a lot of really smart
offensive coaches. So Caleb is the one that you have
a defensive coach. Uh oh, but the number two quarterback
is going to go to Cliff Kingsbury and a lot
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of draft picks and cap space in a kind of
a weaker do you know, weird wonky division? Sometimes we don't.
We think Dallas is going down and the Giants going down.
So the Giants Brian Dabele could get a quarterback, and
then the Vikings Kevin O'Connell could get a quarterback. Sean
Payton could get a quarterback, Mike McDaniel could get a quarterback.
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I think in this quarterback class, it's a better than
average class. It's better than average class. Let's start with that.
And I think there's a lot of highly clever, offensive
young coaches where these guys could land. So that's my takeaway.
Speaker 3 (06:33):
Vo Nix is, Derek Carry's gonna make a ton of money,
be like an eight year starter in the league. Vo
Knicks would take that in a heartbeat, wouldn't he. That's
not really a low Again, I think you're just being
really general.
Speaker 4 (06:44):
Look at the low end. Jamis Winston, like, I mean,
he started for like six years in the league.
Speaker 3 (06:47):
Car still starter, Mariota, Yeah, like these guys, I need
to see loads of like honestly, Trey Lance, Zach Wilson,
remember a lot of draft classes that class, Zach.
Speaker 1 (07:02):
Wilson, COVID quarterback class. Mac Jones started one year, Trey
Lance almost no starts. What's different in this quarterback class?
Caleb Williams three years, two and a half years starting,
bow Knicks sixty one starts, Michael Pennix five years, six
years of starting. This class is unique and that almost
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all I think all these quarterbacks have multiple years of starting.
I mean bow Knicks, Penix, Caleb, JJ McCarthy. That class
was the COVID class where like Zach Wilson played this
the weakest bee wise you schedule ever, I mean their
toughest game that year could have been Coastal Carolina.
Speaker 3 (07:39):
How about like Rosen from UCLA or like a Jake Locker,
guys who basically within Jake Locker I never bought into.
Speaker 1 (07:46):
I said he was a better t bow ish kind
of kind of you know in years later after it was,
you know, after Jake Locker left, because Tebow I think
was for Jake Locker basically was Tim Tebow with a
better ball placement. But that's all kind of is I
never bought into that at all. Part of it was
because I knew people that coached him and they didn't
buy any But I think this is a really good class.
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I really do love the optimism. So I was saying
this Nick right around the corner. I was saying this
about Joel Embiid last night. So if for eight years
you are the guy for your a quarterback, a star pitcher,
a striker in soccer, or a goaliean hockey, or you're
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the star player and the team keeps changing GMS and
coaches and complimentary players, and you can't win a second
playoff series in the significantly inarguably weaker East, then it's
on you. And that's scrum at the end of the
game that the idea that with mb to the superstar
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center in the lane, and the fact that the Knicks
got two three pointers good looks, three pointers hit one
wears m beat embiiding the first two games in the series,
no rebounds in the fourth quarter. It's not like the
Knicks have Shack or the Knicks have Yo Kich or
Wemby or some insane talents Mitchell Robinson. It's the kid
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that was on the floor last night. Hartenstein and Embiid
can't get a rebound in the fourth quarter. So Charles
Barkley after the game was critical of Joel Embi.
Speaker 5 (09:28):
What I'd like to see from Joel He got to
get his head up because he's the leader of the team.
He's the best player. He's one of the best players
in the world. If your best player got his head
down like that, he could say, it's unacceptable, it's unacceptable.
We just got to come out and win game three.
We got to take it one game at a time.
As the leader of the team, he cannot have his
head down. He's got to say, guys, we're fined. They
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ded what they're supposed to do. We got to go
home and win game three and four.
Speaker 1 (09:54):
Yeah, after the game, this is what Barkley is talking
about with Joe l embiid. Everybody on the floor was
trying to call Tom mad.
Speaker 3 (10:03):
Myself included a Nicole coach line, but that didn't give
it to us.
Speaker 2 (10:09):
But you know, forget about of Tom. There's a bunch
of falls.
Speaker 3 (10:13):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (10:14):
Yeah, like I said, unacceptable to say, eight years, all
these moving parts, one constant can't win a second round
series in the East.
Speaker 4 (10:25):
By the way, did you see on that Hartenstein rebound.
Speaker 3 (10:27):
Who Joel Embiid was boxing out six foot five Josh Hart,
not the six eleventh center who just came crashing in
and grabbed it. One last word, uh, I heard Barkley
say Joel Embid is the leader.
Speaker 2 (10:38):
I know.
Speaker 3 (10:38):
Kyle Lowry has only been there a year. He's a veteran.
He's been in way more playoff series, He's won a title.
Speaker 2 (10:43):
I would challenge it.
Speaker 3 (10:44):
Kyle Lowry is probably the veteran in that locker room
who's gonna speak up and have the respect of everyone.
I don't know that Embiid is that like we talk
about with this Durant, you know, like is Durant pounding
the table in the huddle. I don't think he is.
Speaker 2 (10:57):
I think Kyle Lowry might be more that guy.
Speaker 1 (10:59):
The leader doesn't have to be the best player night.
I mean, Draymond Green is often the leader for the Warriors,
Chris Paul was a leader for the Suns. Booker is
the better player at this point in their careers.
Speaker 2 (11:10):
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Speaker 1 (11:20):
J Mack was asking a question during the break. He said,
Who's better all time? Yokich or Tim Duncan, And it
really highlights how the game has changed. Duncan wasn't asked
to pass her shoot. In his day, he was the
big fundamentally, he was a great defensive player, great score,
great rebound. Jokicch now in the modern game is a
elite passer, an elite shooter, not as good defensively. They
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can both rebound, so it really shows you Duncan and
Jokic highlight the change of the game. The game is
now more skilled. Your biggs can shoot and pass, you know,
so Bonus could when I covered him. But by and
large you didn't look the shack for shooting and passing.
It was power, it was dominance, it was rebounding. So
Duncan for his time was a Jokic. He was great
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at what we asked centners to do. We asked centers
to defend and rebound and score. Now we ask centers
to be capable shooters and also move the ball. Don't
be a hole get rid of it. You know, Patrick Ewing,
you dumped the ball to him, it was over. You'd
never see it back Jokic is different. So it really
is we ask our players now to be Jokic. If
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you're just Duncan and can't shoot and you can't defend
the wing. I'm not saying that Duncan wouldn't figure out
ways to be important today. But I've said this about Jordan.
He would be great today, but he was not a
great passer or a great long range shooter. Kobe, you
could argue, actually fits. Kobe was a clever passer when
he decided to pass, he was also had great range.
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So it's not that Jordan wouldn't be amazing and relentless
and win. But there are players that are ahead of
their time. Larry Bird in his prime. If Larry Bird
broke into the league today, he would be Luka, but
a better pass that's what he would look like. He'd
be a more clever passing Luca Limitations defensively unbelievable shooter,
always gets his shot, runs the break, That's what he
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would be. Charles Barkley was ahead of his time. He
could score low transition perimeter. Barkley would be unbelievable today.
Bird would be Lebron would be in any era. But
there are players what would you do with Kareem, what
would you do? Like the skyhook is great, it's two,
so you would he probably would, you know, he'd be
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a great dominant score, but there would be times the
pace of the players he aged, the pace was slower
with him. Now again, magic brought the most out of it.
He could be dominant. Not saying Michael or Kareem wouldn't
be dominant, nine ten, twelve time All Star. I'm not
saying that, but the game, like Barkley and Bird age
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really well, Duncan wouldn't quite age as well. He wouldn't.
Now you say, well, would Yokich of age back then? Yeah,
because he's you know, he's big, he's strong, and he
doesn't miss around the basket. So Jokic would have aged
better than Duncan. He would have moved into a different
era and been more successful.
Speaker 2 (14:05):
I mean, Duncan's nickname was the Big Fundamental, right, he
did everything.
Speaker 1 (14:08):
Perfect that Big was asked to do right.
Speaker 2 (14:11):
Well, Yokic does everything Tim Duncan did, but better. And
that's not a knock Duncan.
Speaker 1 (14:16):
Obviously, he doesn't defend like Tim.
Speaker 2 (14:18):
He does not defend liked him.
Speaker 3 (14:19):
But passer score Duncan never averaged like twenty five points
a game once in his career. Jokic over twenty five
all the time. Duncan, not the passer, never averaged four
assists a game. Yokic is putting up triple doubles every night.
Yeah no, he's just the game is totally different. Skill
level is completely different. I bring this up because watching
yokaslast sime, he didn't have a great game, right, and
then you look up he's got twenty seven to twenty
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and tennisist What the hell?
Speaker 6 (14:42):
How?
Speaker 2 (14:43):
And you start.
Speaker 3 (14:44):
Looking at I have Duncan as like a top ten
guy all time, and Yokic is on the track Colin
to be a top ten player in the Well.
Speaker 1 (14:51):
If he wins another championship this year and he's got
worthy adversaries, well he's gonna he's gonna proably be at Boston.
Speaker 3 (14:57):
By the way, Duncan played with David Robinson, Hall of Famer, Janobilee,
Tony Parker, and Yokich has played with how many All
Stars Jamal Murry has ever been an All Star ever?
It's like, oh my gosh, like what he's doing with
this group, and I know they're the best starting five
in the league.
Speaker 4 (15:12):
But it's not like they're all stars. Just consider that stuff, folks.
Speaker 2 (15:15):
It's wild.
Speaker 1 (15:16):
J Mack with the news.
Speaker 2 (15:18):
Will this is the herd Line news.
Speaker 3 (15:23):
All right, let's go back to the NFL. The draft
is Thursday. Caleb Williams is going first. We know that,
but here we go. Anonymous NFL coach guy believes it's
a note brainer that Jaden Daniels would be drafted right there,
adding Jaden looks like the best guy in the draft.
Speaker 2 (15:40):
Are you kidding me?
Speaker 1 (15:42):
Darrel Kayler Williams.
Speaker 2 (15:43):
Come on, Colin, this is this is where it's silly
season right now?
Speaker 1 (15:46):
Come on? Is this anonymous NFL coach or unemployed coach?
That's a good one, all right, Yeah, I think there's
zero evidence just on frame. You would because he's bulker
and stronger, bulkier and stronger, I would take I would
take Caleb over j Jayden Daniels. Concern is he takes
a lot of hits and he's real finn. That's a concern.
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We saw Bryce Young, We're like, oh, he looks small,
like it matters.
Speaker 3 (16:11):
Is this the same guy who told Tom Pellisaro that
Zach Wilson had better tape than Patrick Mahomes coming.
Speaker 2 (16:16):
Up, lawd It's like, come on, listen, I don't know.
Speaker 4 (16:20):
I let's kill with the kend the draft get here already.
Speaker 3 (16:22):
Next up is the Falcons got Kirk Cousins this offseason,
but they may get penalized for tampering in the process.
Cousins seemed to implicate himself when doing his introductory presser,
saying the team had first person contact with him.
Speaker 2 (16:35):
Before the start of the league year.
Speaker 3 (16:37):
Reports indicate that discipline is soon to come and likely
to be harsh, given Cousins on the record statement, now
so stupid.
Speaker 1 (16:45):
It is kind of dumb.
Speaker 3 (16:46):
But the Dolphins lost a twenty twenty three first rounder
and a twenty.
Speaker 2 (16:50):
Twenty four third for tampering with Brady.
Speaker 1 (16:53):
And Peyton.
Speaker 4 (16:55):
As well.
Speaker 1 (16:55):
What you rapport? Oh, go ahead.
Speaker 3 (16:57):
The league's review on tampering will not conclude this week,
so it likely will not be impact this draft for
the Falcon.
Speaker 1 (17:04):
I think it's dumb, So let me ask you this.
I'm Kirk Cousins, and in my rehab you know, I've
got my private jet and I'm banging around and I
go see a buddy, and I go see and all
of a sudden, I see a Falcons, you know, because
rich people hang with rich people, and all of a
sudden I see a Falcons team president and maybe Arthur
Blank said something. I can't talk to him. I can't ever.
I mean, like some of this stuff is just dumb.
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Players talk. I mean, how do you think a fairs start?
They start as verbal affairs. You start talking, you know
what I mean? Like the idea that players now in
this world we live in with all these platforms, and
it just it's so silly to me. By the way,
Kirk cousins ultimately, why did he choose Atlantic because I'm tampering? No,
Because they had a tight end, two running backs, the
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best offensive line of all the teams available, Drake London
and all they needs an AZ rusher. He did it.
Tom Brady. He looked at it and he went, They're
gonna pay me. It's a great old line. I'm coming
up at Achille Surgery. And like Tampa, they need one
big draft pick. The Tampa Bay Buccaneers needed to write
tackle Tristan Wurtz. These guys needed edge rusher Dallas Turner
or whoever. So the idea that this had influence because
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I bump into some I could bump into somebody at
a million networks tomorrow doesn't have any influences. It couldn't
stop me if I wanted to.
Speaker 3 (18:16):
When I worked at this newspaper, I was covering some
of these high school recruits who are a big time
in the area. And this there's this thing called the
bump where coaches know your habits, whether you go to
an arcade, at Starbucks, whatever, And it just so happens
that these star athletes would just bump into coaches out
and about in public. Fancy how that happens, Right, Kirk
Cousins just bumping into Arthur Blank somewhere.
Speaker 1 (18:37):
You do likely you do get them that Kirk Cousins.
If Kirk Cousins is going on vacation, so he lives
in Minnesota, he's rehabbing his wife. You know, he's like, hey,
let's take the kids, let's go to the Bahamas. You
do get. Kirk Cousins would stay in a penthouse in
the nicest hotel in the Bahamas. So would Arthur Blank.
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And you'd probably be upstairs in the VIP room upstairs
at the Grand Bahama or the Ritz Carlton. You do get,
And anybody listening that is one of those rich people,
and maybe nobody's listening. When you travel around the country,
what you find is if you're in that upper upper
one percent class, you see the same people in Aspen,
in the Hamptons. You think Howard Stern doesn't bump into
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the same twenty five people. These NFL owners, eight owners
own a house a mile from here in Beverly Hills.
Eight NFL owners live around the corner from where we're at.
They don't live in Luwock. And so the idea that
Kirk Cousins could bump into somebody with an NFL team
on vacation, I just I think it's stupid to think
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that makes the decay. Tom Brady could bump into whoever
he wants. He wanted to go to a place with
Mike Evans, Chris Godwin, Bruce Arians in a lousy division.
That's what kirk Cousins saw.
Speaker 3 (19:48):
Makes me wonder remember the McVeigh Stafford story. They bumped
into each other in Cabo and then hung out.
Speaker 1 (19:54):
Okay, that's a great idea.
Speaker 2 (19:55):
It happened to me a five star resorted.
Speaker 1 (19:58):
So it's funny. I just you know, once every few
years a buddy of mine invites me to Camo, and
he's got a nice place. He's a ritzy guy, Hollywood guy.
The only one I know who was in who was
there Tony Gonzalez, the president of the Kansas City Chiefs.
I'm sitting there having a beer with my wife and
the president of the Kansas City chief sits down, introduces himself,
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and then there's Tony Gonzalez next to us. So the
point is, if I would have been Kirk Cousins and
taking my family to Kabo, I would have run into
the Kansas City Chiefs president and Tony Gonzalez. And by
the way, there was also another famous person there. Don't
want to call him. He was there. I didn't see him,
but it was a nice resort. And then you know,
there's five or six resorts and there's you know, so
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I just think it's nonsense. Kirk Cousins. Kirk Cousins chose it,
not because he bumped into somebody. By the way, Why
did we Why was the rumor out there Kirk Cousins
was going to Atlanta because it made the most sense, right,
the weakest division best online. He's an old guy with
an achille surgery.
Speaker 4 (21:01):
Final story is the Lakers.
Speaker 3 (21:03):
Colin that's Malone lead last night or twenty points ten
straight losses to Denver. However, there is a report that
no matter what happens in this series, Darvin Ham will
be retained by the Lakers next season. Now, some of
it is just reading Tea Leaves skepticism. The Genie Bus
would want to pay him eight million dollars to not
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coach next season. Colin, I would be shocked if the
Lakers got swept in the first round.
Speaker 4 (21:31):
He's keeping his job after getting swept last year and
this year.
Speaker 1 (21:34):
By the best team in the world.
Speaker 3 (21:35):
Yeah, that would shock me, and Laker fans would be
probably what games they would stage?
Speaker 5 (21:42):
You coot?
Speaker 1 (21:42):
Now, they're going to the games, of course they are.
The games are a scene, no, So they're going to
go to the games.
Speaker 2 (21:46):
So Genie Buss has the fame.
Speaker 1 (21:48):
You didn't fire the coach. You want more popcorn? Want
o beer?
Speaker 2 (21:51):
You know who? I want to know. I want to
know what Lebron thinks.
Speaker 1 (21:54):
Lebron, I don't think free agent. I don't love Darvin
Ham's rotations all the time, but there are limitations here.
Sometimes they'll have Lebron and Austin Reeves off the floor
at the same time. I would never do that. Those
are your two shot, those are the two playmakers. But
he's gonna be back. I don't think he's the problem.
I think Dela problem. Last ten times they've played Denver
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eight times, d Lo den Denver. Jmck of the.
Speaker 3 (22:21):
News, Well that's the news, and thanks for stopping that lie.
Speaker 1 (22:26):
So yesterday, as I am prone to do, working the
phones diligently, Big Jay journalism, and I was talking to
a source in the Dallas metroplex and we were talking
about the Cowboys. He said, it's a bit of a
circus here, and he goes, you know they're there, they
don't they don't want to pay Dak right now, and
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Dak saying all the right stuff and it's not about this.
But here I saw a headline this morning. This cracks
me up. What are the Cowboys' best options at quarterback?
If Dak Prescott leaves, get another one two teams that
should draft a quarterback in the first round or second
round this year. That nobody's talking about the Jets and
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the Cowboys they both should Dak. Dak has a dead
cap hit next year. Let's say say plays this year,
even the following year he has a forty million dollar
dead cap hit. So you got a draft a quarterback now,
who's cheap? Second third round? Next year's quarterback class not great,
shaduor Sanders and cam Ward at Miami's on his third team,
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but he is pretty talented. But let's just take the
names out. Take the names Dallas Cowboys out, Jerry Jones out,
and Dak Prescott because everybody gets emotional with the names.
And if I just said this, fifty eight million dollar
quarterback eight years, two playoff wins, one against the sub
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five hundred team with a ninety one passer rating in
the playoffs, does that sound impossible to replace? Sounds challenging
Mahomes and Brady. That's impossible. Mahomes will be impossible. Replacing
Kirk Cousins or Dak. It's challenging. That's the league. It's
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practice is challenging. So if you take out one playoff
win over Tampa, they were under five hundred. If you
just take that game out, in eight years, Dak is
one in six in the playoffs, ten TV seven picks.
We're not talking goat stuff here, right, What's Dallas gonna
do draft a quarterback in the second round?
Speaker 7 (24:32):
This year.
Speaker 1 (24:33):
Put some heat on him. Oh, there'll be a dead
cap hit. You want to kick it down the road more.
You've been kicking that can down the road with Dak
for years. You want to keep doing that. So, I
mean Green Bays hit on three straight quarterbacks, you can't
hit on another one. It's again this idea. I was
talking to my source yesterday and he's saying this. Everybody's
freaking out in Dallas. What are you gonna do? What
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are you gonna do? We're not talking Josh Allen. We're
not talking Joe Montana. We're not talking far. That was
a concern for Green Bay far Thank god they got Rogers. Rogers,
they got Jordan Love. Dak is a fourth round pick.
Never been a beautiful thrower. Take out one playoff game
in his career over the worst team they ever played,
Tampa sub five hundred. He's one and six ten TV
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seven picks ninety one pass aready is a playoff quarterback. Okay,
draft another quarterback. Jets and the Cowboys should draft a quarterback.
Nothing against Aaron Rodgers, but I would probably in the
third round, after you get an offensive lineman. Maybe in
the first round. In a wide receive I would consider
if I was the Jets moving down, getting an extra
pick and drafting a quarterback in the third round. I
think Dallas in the second round. By the way, if
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you go look at Green Bay where they drafted quarterbacks
Aaron Rodgers, Jordan Love end of the first round, where's
Dallas's pick? And of the first round, it's a perfect
time to get Penis or Bonnicks. Just a thought. Brian Kelly,
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Speaker 1 (26:51):
Well, every place he's been Division two on UP He's
ended up being the national coach of the Year at
that level. He's led his teams wherever noted am LSU
to ten plus wins in seven straight seasons. I think
he's one of the smartest guys in the sport. Brian Kelly,
third year with LSU, is joining us before he heads
out to a golf course. He his off season is
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about three weeks, so he's got the clubs ready right
after this interview, Brian, let's start with this. I like
Jayden Daniels a lot. If I had the number two pick,
I would take him. I worry a little bit about
his frame, a little bit, but the SEC's got NFL bodies.
Is that a fair concern that he is tall and
a little thin. Yeah, but I.
Speaker 8 (27:33):
Don't think you lose any sleep.
Speaker 7 (27:35):
I think if he was a poor decision maker, if
he was sloppy with the football. If he couldn't walk
into an NFL locker room and meet the guys, then
then those are things that lead to not getting any sleep.
He can put on weight, Uh, those are those are
small concerns. He is a flat out playmaker. He will
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he'll change the look of your franchise. And I think
that that's why I believe he's the best quarterback in
the draft.
Speaker 1 (28:04):
Now. LSU doesn't lose a lot of games. What is
his temperament If you go to Washington and you get
you know, the media is big and they're allowed, and
it's cold, and they're beaten up on him and he's
seven and ten, and what's his makeup? His personality?
Speaker 7 (28:19):
Well, in his first year, where he struggled at times,
he was the same guy each and every week he
went to work, He continued to lead, He worked on
his craft. So you know, this is a guy that
you know he can handle the ups and downs of it.
You know, he got knocked out of the game against Alabama,
can cussed in the game and found his way back
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the next week against Florida and set an NCAA record.
So this is a guy that gets knocked down and
gets back up the next week.
Speaker 1 (28:51):
So Moleak Neighbors has a little obj lsu is a
wide receiver and defensive back factory. He's a yards after
the catch guy. Again, let's ask the durability questions. Can
he play day one in the NFL? What do you
make of Elak Neighbors, who people now are saying is
a top five pick.
Speaker 7 (29:13):
Well, again, I had him for two years and and
in terms of a durability, every day of practice, and
I'm talking every day of practice in one on ones,
going up for balls, competing in the red zone, you know,
playing in a bowl game. When when when he didn't
need to play in a bowl game? He he does
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not care. He wants to compete every single day. So
he's going to answer the belt. He's gonna play every game.
He's gonna compete. It's just in his DNA, it's in
his nature. So you know, look, there are many great
wide receivers in this draft.
Speaker 8 (29:47):
The first three or four as good as there have
been in a long time.
Speaker 7 (29:51):
Beauty is in the eye of the beholder when it
comes to wide receiver. But he can do it all
yards after the catch, elite speed and certainly go up
and get the football. So again I think he's going
to change the way an NFL team looks, and again,
do it right away.
Speaker 1 (30:07):
You did it Notre Dame. The Notre Dame you won early,
but you weren't You weren't SEC deep early. By the
end of your stay, you went toe to toe with
Georgia twice and you looked the part and no, no
fools goal this was you had. You had backups that
would play in the NFL. Part of the secret to
beating an SEC team is o line play. Michigan had
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it this year, where you can just protect your quarterback.
You did a remarkable job at Notre Dame. It became
kind of a factory for offensive linemen. Joe Alt is
somebody you recruited. I think he's the best tackle. That's
what my people say. I don't know if he's Trent Williams.
But did you know initially high schooled? Is this what
you perceived first tackle off the board? NFL Draft top ten?
Speaker 7 (30:55):
Well, I think the only thing that was the question
mark was would he be able to put on the
way necessary to be that anchor? And we felt very
confident with our strength and conditioning team and his demeanor
and the way he handled things, and course the pedigree
that he was going to be able to do it. Look,
you know, being a left tackle takes more than just
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length and athletic ability.
Speaker 8 (31:18):
There are a lot of guys that have that. His
demeanor is outstanding.
Speaker 7 (31:22):
You know, he has a ability to forget and move
on to the next play.
Speaker 8 (31:28):
The left tackle is going to get the best of
the best. I just think, you.
Speaker 7 (31:32):
Know, the things that we don't talk about enough with
the best offensive lineman is the right makeup. The demeanor
of a Joe Alt is that he's a pros pro.
He's going to go to work every day and he's
going to know you may get me once, but I'm
going to learn from that and and I'm going to
shut you out when when it's most important.
Speaker 8 (31:52):
And he's a very very smart football player.
Speaker 1 (31:55):
The great coaches in college I think Nick Saban proved this.
He lost a lot of good coordinators. He reinvented his program.
They went from corners to receivers and quarterbacks. He reinvented it.
He didn't get stubborn. Mike Krzyzewski didn't like the one
and done initially, and then he joked I kept getting
beat by one and done. Guys, So he went one
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and done. You if you start looking at what you're
gonna have to face now the transfer portal Nil. People
can grumble about it, but Brian, it's here. It's the
reality of it. Give me something you like about the
transfer portal and everybody grumbles about it. You've used it,
Dion's used it, Lincoln's used it, Nick used it. What
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give me something you like about it?
Speaker 7 (32:41):
Well, you can manage your roster during this period of time,
this second portal where you can't transfer within the SEC.
Speaker 8 (32:49):
You know, you can manage your roster.
Speaker 7 (32:51):
Guys that are struggling at this level to play in
the SEC, they now can look for an escape route.
They can look for a place where they can go
and compete somewhere else. And it allows you to bring
somebody in that might be at a lower level that
can help your roster right away. So the ability to
manage your roster in this second portal is a positive
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thing from that perspective where it allows kids to get
out and find a place and land at a school
where they can in fact compete and you can upgrade
your roster.
Speaker 8 (33:25):
So I think that's a positive from that perspective.
Speaker 1 (33:27):
When you left for LSU, I said, I totally get it.
It's easier to recruit southern schools warm weather than northern schools.
I completely get it. Notre Dame's got academics, it's tougher
than average, it's cold weather, it's a small town. I
got it. You got some pushback, but I think in
the end there's just most people understood it. The town
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side is ten wins is not good enough at LSU,
you know. I mean it's like SEC. They show up
on Wednesday and they'll win a bago for the game.
Take me through the move from Notre Dame to you
the describe passion for somebody that's never been in the
heart of the South.
Speaker 7 (34:08):
Well, certainly there was an understanding that we had to
retool in a number of ways. The roster was not
where it needed to be, and and so there is
a little bit of grace, but.
Speaker 8 (34:21):
You still have to compete.
Speaker 7 (34:23):
We won the SEC West in our first year and
certainly in our second year provided our fan base with
the number one offense in the country. So again, you
can't just come down here and say, hey, we're going
to rebuild. You have to still provide a nationally qualifying
football team.
Speaker 8 (34:41):
Which we did.
Speaker 7 (34:42):
But now the time is such that we've had two years,
we're building depth within our football team. This has got
to be a team that now competes for a playoff
spot and puts itself in a playoff situation as we
continue to build the depth of this roster, so we
can be in the cons the conversation like a Georgia
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and in Alabama and the teams that have been there
each and every year.
Speaker 1 (35:06):
Finally, he's getting overlooked because there's so many good receivers
and Malik Neighbors and Harrison and Roma Dunze are taking
all the press. You have a young man named Brian Thomas,
and again LSU does receivers like nobody else. What is he?
What's he like to describe? If I've never seen him play,
and I'm an NFL GM and I don't, I haven't
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popped a tape in, what would you tell me to expect?
Speaker 7 (35:32):
Well, First of all, his ability is not just about
running nine routes and going down the field and catching
the ball. His ability to break tackles, his ability to
make the difficult catches when when he's up in the air.
I mean I'm talking about acrobatic catches. A guy that
can make the play after the catch. He's got yards
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after the catch. Again, a unique talent that again when
when you look at it, wins the one on one matchups. Look,
we had two guys that if you doubled anybody, the
other guy got one on one matchups and he beat
the best. So he's just going to add to an
NFL roster. And if you give him one on one coverage.
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He's got elite speed, he's got size and the ability
to make place after the catch.
Speaker 1 (36:21):
All right, I know you're gonna go golf. Stay away
from Saban. All he does is golf. Now, do not
stay away from me out. It's all good for him.
He's happy in retirement. Thanks Brian, no doubt.
Speaker 8 (36:34):
Take care, guys. You're having me on.
Speaker 1 (36:35):
All right, Brian Kelly LSU football coach Nick Saban's retiring
the way you should grab the clubs. Dila says, I
do the chores in the morning, wife tells me what
to do. Do the chores. Then I'm out to the
golf course. My daughter told me yesterday she knows, dadd
you know what I want someday a golf cart. I
want to live somewhere where I can have a golf cart.
That's where you live. You live in one of those
fancy places. Don't you think I never thought about a
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golf cart? Do you want one? Why are you looking
at me.
Speaker 7 (37:01):
Like I don't?
Speaker 2 (37:02):
I mean, I don't mean.
Speaker 1 (37:03):
My daughter, they're great.
Speaker 3 (37:05):
It's not like there's a ton of parking spots for them.
Though they're not that much of a help. It's just, man,
they're kind of cool.
Speaker 1 (37:12):
The idea.
Speaker 4 (37:13):
Yeah, you put a little speaker on one and maybe
dress it.
Speaker 2 (37:16):
Up with some Christmas lights. You got like a nighttime
vibe going on.
Speaker 7 (37:20):
Right.
Speaker 1 (37:22):
My daughter, out of the blue, said that, Dad, I
want a golf cart. And I'm like, are you gonna retire?
Are you moving to those retired del Boca Vista? What
do you mean? You're like, You're like, you're like twenty
three years old. She gives others it wouldn't be great
to live somewhere you could go around the community and
a golf cart. And I said, I'm sixty. That's what
I'm looking for.
Speaker 4 (37:40):
Yeah, she's twenty three.
Speaker 2 (37:43):
He has a golf cart.
Speaker 1 (37:44):
You know, she's ahead of her time. She's getting ready
for retirement. Yeah, has to work a little more. What
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no safe like simply safe. So earlier this hour, I
want to put it back up. I did my high
low Comp game with the quarterbacks in the first round,
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the high Low Comp game, and basically Jason's pushback was
they're all good, and I said, well, I think this.
First of all, these quarterbacks are unique. Almost all of
them have like thirty forty to fifty starts. Bonix has
sixty one. That's insane. That's the most starts ever for
a college quarterback. I do believe it's certainly in the
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certainly in the ballpark of it. So I think you
have a lot of starts, a lot of film that
reduces the mis rate. It also gives you this generation
of quarterbacks. Also over the last four to five years,
this generation of quarterbacks has far more throws in high school,
in summer, in off season work. So my high low
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for Caleb Williams high is Mahomes low is Kyler Murray
where he's a little off script too much. High low
Drake may As justin Herbert and Carson Wentz. He looks
like Herbert, but Carson Wentz always struggled with consistent accuracy.
Jaden Daniels, Lamar and Robert Griffin. I do worry about
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Jaden's frame and the NFL games faster taking hits and
getting beat up. JJ McCarthy is Alex Smith, which I
think is a lower ceiling than you'd expect for a
first round quarterback, but mostly dependent on the coach he
gets to win. And then Marcus Mariota again stayed around
for a while, won some games. I think I think
he made the playoffs, but I don't see McCarthy as
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quite the talent of the others, Bo, Nicks, Drew Brees.
I do think if he goes to Denver or a
Mike McDaniel, he could be highly productive. I mean, Tua
puts up huge numbers with the right coach. The other
side is Derek Carr, and when I saw him play live,
I thought, you know, car throws a better deep ball,
but Bo didn't have a big arm. He doesn't throw
the ball down the field great. A lot of it
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was schemed up in college. Can he go off script?
What you have to do to win big in the NFL,
and then Cole Pennix junior is Mark Brunell and Jamis
Winston and the Jameis Winston comp is he looked the part.
It just didn't win enough. And J McK if you
had to pick apart one, what would it be.
Speaker 4 (40:11):
I started to put together a list during the break.
Speaker 3 (40:16):
What if I said JJ McCarthy's low end, and I
like j J McCarthy need to preface that.
Speaker 4 (40:22):
What if his low end was Josh Rosen? Would you
would what would you say?
Speaker 1 (40:24):
Josh Rosen?
Speaker 4 (40:25):
By the way, a lot of starts at UCLA.
Speaker 1 (40:28):
He is more mobile than Josh Rosen and won a
lot more games, so he's a bigger winner and he
moves better.
Speaker 3 (40:35):
Okay, what if I told you that Jaden daniels low end,
and I like Jayden Daniels needs to preface it.
Speaker 2 (40:40):
I'm not a hater.
Speaker 4 (40:41):
What if I told you his low end was Vince Young?
What would you say?
Speaker 1 (40:45):
I mean Vince Young again, Dary, I don't think he's
that big and strong, but I think he's a First
of all, I think he's a much better thrower than
Vince Young. He's not as big and strong. Vince Young
won a lot of games. I was never a fan,
but won a lot of in college. Yeah, I mean
in the NFL he was Okay, I mean Jayden throws
a better. Jaden is much better from the pocket than
Vince Young, and I'm not sure anybody's been outside of Lamar.
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Vince Young was an un Vinjong's best high school football
player in America ever quarterback.
Speaker 2 (41:12):
And then for bow Knicks up just to be high.
Speaker 3 (41:14):
So I could be positive, What instead of Breeze, who's
a Lock Hall of Famer, What if I said Matt Ryan,
who's not a Lock Hall of Famer, did win an MVP.
Speaker 1 (41:22):
Maybe that's better, I think again, But if bo Knicks
is more athletic than Matt Ryan, he moves better, yes,
and that so yeah, I mean early Drew Brees moved
pretty well. He didn't run a lot, but he could. Yeah.
I don't think that Drew Brees.
Speaker 2 (41:37):
Slam dunk Hall of Fame.
Speaker 4 (41:38):
I think even both bon Nicks would have to be unbelievable.
Speaker 1 (41:42):
That's fair, that's fair. Matt Ryan and Derek Carr. Matt
Ryan won an MVP.
Speaker 2 (41:46):
He did, and he went to a super Bowl.
Speaker 1 (41:47):
Should have won one, but you should have piped up
in the morning meeting, I would have given you that one.
Speaker 3 (41:51):
Why would I give it away at the morning meeting
when I could do it here And it's a.
Speaker 1 (41:54):
Better back and forth, good call. A lot of smart
takes today. Our three coming up
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All Right, here we go our two. It is a Tuesday.
Nick Wright five minutes. Brian Kelly, LSU football coach, Jaden Daniels,
coach at College for the Tigers, joining us in forty minutes.
It's the Herd wherever you may be and however you
may be listening. Things for making us part of your day,
jamac Last night was just so good. The NIXT game
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was fantastic. The Denver Laker finish was unbelievable. Bad night
for NBA haters Because I don't know what the ratings are,
they had to be good, totally, ultimately captivating. I don't care,
thought Philly in the we're gonna pull off wins. Nope,
by the way, I don't care. We don't care if
the ratings are bad. All we care about is good games,
good drama, good storylines. But home team's now eleven and
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oh straight up in.
Speaker 3 (01:10):
The NBA playoffs. Colin, that ends tonight with a big thud.
We gave out winners yesterday.
Speaker 1 (01:14):
Right, Dallas winning tonight on the road? Lock it up
first half two, Dallas over the clips. You and I
both agree with that? Oh yeah, right, all right? We
play this game every year. It's kind of funny because
people make fun of my cops on this. But we're
gonna play the high low game. I'm gonna take all
the first round quarterbacks and basically, if it goes really well,
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this is how good it could go, or on the
low end, this is sort of what it becomes. So
let's play the high low game. We'll start with Caleb Williams. Well,
everybody's comparing him to Patrick Mahomes, so we're not gonna
outthink the room. He has a lot of Patrick Mahomes capabilities.
He moves around, he's got a strong arm, there's arm angles.
He's just a very very unique talent Caleb Williams. So
I would say the high is Patrick Mahomes and the
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lowest Kyler Murray. Maybe a little too much sandlot football spectacular,
but not as consistent as you thought he would be
the high low game for Kayleb Williams, Mahomes and Kyler
Murray Drake may Well. The high low game for me
on Drake may is first of all Justin Herbert, So
I think Drake may actually looks and plays a little
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like Justin Herbert. Herbert was more accurate consistently, but he's
six three and a half. He's two twenty. He moves.
The low end is Carson Wins. He looks the part,
but he's just not consistent enough with his accuracy. Everything
looks like it should work. Nice arm, can move, big, strong,
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can let it rip. He just doesn't deliver the ball
squarely inaccurately enough. High low for Drake may is Justin
Herbert and Carson Wentz Okay Jadeen Daniel it the high
low game. The high is easy for me. Lamar Jackson,
electric runner who is more than capable to make throws.
In fact, I think he's a better thrower out of
college than Lamar Jackson. The low end is RG three,
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which is he just takes two many hits for his
small frame. So the high low Jaden Daniels, Lamar Jackson
in RG three, JJ McCarthy high low game high. I
think it's Alex Smith. There's a lower ceiling. Coachable is
going to be about as good in the NFL as
his coaching and his surroundings. Smith was a bust until
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Jim Harbaugh and Andy Reid. The low end is Marcus Mariota,
slender frame, not really able to carry average talent, can
win games, may get you to the playoffs, but the
high end low end for JJ McCarthy, high end Alex Smith,
depends on the coach. Low end Marcus Mariota, certain clear limitations,
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high end low end bow Knicks. Now, I think the
high end because of accuracy college starts in productivity is
Drew Brees, coachable, accurate, scheme up. The low end is
Derek Carr. He's okay, doesn't win enough, never feel like
he's a top ten guy. There's something there a pro
pretty accurate, but not a great deep ball, and you
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always feel like, yeah, we should probably move on and
get another quarterback. Bow Nicks high low is Drew Brees
and Derek Carr, and then Michael Pennix, the kid I
like out of Washington. I think the high end is
Mark Brunell, a really underrated all time quarterback a lefty
out of Washington, move very very well. Smart guy moved
well out of Washington to a beautiful ball. The low
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end is Jameis Winston. Again, it looks the part, he's
got the arm, he can move. It just doesn't work enough.
He just doesn't win enough. So the high low for
Michael Pennix, Mark Brunell, that's not a shot because really
good player got Jacksonville when they were starting out to
the playoffs. He goes Tom Cofflin was his coach. The
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low end is Jameis Winston. Nobody doubts the first round
talent throws a beautiful ball, but doesn't quite square up
with what you want as a franchise quarterback. All right,
So that's my high low game. So any pushback on that,
any pushback for you on high low game.
Speaker 3 (05:25):
I just thought the lows were all like good quarterbacks, guys,
a multi year starter.
Speaker 2 (05:30):
I was waiting for Zach Wilson as.
Speaker 1 (05:33):
A loyal Well, Caleb Williams. First of all, I think
these quarterbacks two things. One, I think it's a good
quarterback class. Two, we have a lot of really smart
offensive coaches. So Caleb is the one that you have
a defensive coach. Uh oh, but the number two quarterback
is going to go to Cliff Kingsbury and a lot
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of draft picks and cap space in a kind of
a weaker do you know, weird wonky division? Sometimes we don't.
We think Dallas is going down and the Giants going down.
So the Giants Brian Dabele could get a quarterback, and
then the Vikings Kevin O'Connell could get a quarterback. Sean
Payton could get a quarterback, Mike McDaniel could get a quarterback.
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I think in this quarterback class, it's a better than
average class. It's better than average class. Let's start with that.
And I think there's a lot of highly clever, offensive
young coaches where these guys could land. So that's my takeaway.
Speaker 3 (06:33):
Vo Nix is, Derek Carry's gonna make a ton of money,
be like an eight year starter in the league. Vo
Knicks would take that in a heartbeat, wouldn't he. That's
not really a low Again, I think you're just being
really general.
Speaker 4 (06:44):
Look at the low end. Jamis Winston, like, I mean,
he started for like six years in the league.
Speaker 3 (06:47):
Car still starter, Mariota, Yeah, like these guys, I need
to see loads of like honestly, Trey Lance, Zach Wilson,
remember a lot of draft classes that class, Zach.
Speaker 1 (07:02):
Wilson, COVID quarterback class. Mac Jones started one year, Trey
Lance almost no starts. What's different in this quarterback class?
Caleb Williams three years, two and a half years starting,
bow Knicks sixty one starts, Michael Pennix five years, six
years of starting. This class is unique and that almost
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all I think all these quarterbacks have multiple years of starting.
I mean bow Knicks, Penix, Caleb, JJ McCarthy. That class
was the COVID class where like Zach Wilson played this
the weakest bee wise you schedule ever, I mean their
toughest game that year could have been Coastal Carolina.
Speaker 3 (07:39):
How about like Rosen from UCLA or like a Jake Locker,
guys who basically within Jake Locker I never bought into.
Speaker 1 (07:46):
I said he was a better t bow ish kind
of kind of you know in years later after it was,
you know, after Jake Locker left, because Tebow I think
was for Jake Locker basically was Tim Tebow with a
better ball placement. But that's all kind of is I
never bought into that at all. Part of it was
because I knew people that coached him and they didn't
buy any But I think this is a really good class.
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I really do love the optimism. So I was saying
this Nick right around the corner. I was saying this
about Joel Embiid last night. So if for eight years
you are the guy for your a quarterback, a star pitcher,
a striker in soccer, or a goaliean hockey, or you're
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the star player and the team keeps changing GMS and
coaches and complimentary players, and you can't win a second
playoff series in the significantly inarguably weaker East, then it's
on you. And that's scrum at the end of the
game that the idea that with mb to the superstar
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center in the lane, and the fact that the Knicks
got two three pointers good looks, three pointers hit one
wears m beat embiiding the first two games in the series,
no rebounds in the fourth quarter. It's not like the
Knicks have Shack or the Knicks have Yo Kich or
Wemby or some insane talents Mitchell Robinson. It's the kid
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that was on the floor last night. Hartenstein and Embiid
can't get a rebound in the fourth quarter. So Charles
Barkley after the game was critical of Joel Embi.
Speaker 5 (09:28):
What I'd like to see from Joel He got to
get his head up because he's the leader of the team.
He's the best player. He's one of the best players
in the world. If your best player got his head
down like that, he could say, it's unacceptable, it's unacceptable.
We just got to come out and win game three.
We got to take it one game at a time.
As the leader of the team, he cannot have his
head down. He's got to say, guys, we're fined. They
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ded what they're supposed to do. We got to go
home and win game three and four.
Speaker 1 (09:54):
Yeah, after the game, this is what Barkley is talking
about with Joe l embiid. Everybody on the floor was
trying to call Tom mad.
Speaker 3 (10:03):
Myself included a Nicole coach line, but that didn't give
it to us.
Speaker 2 (10:09):
But you know, forget about of Tom. There's a bunch
of falls.
Speaker 3 (10:13):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (10:14):
Yeah, like I said, unacceptable to say, eight years, all
these moving parts, one constant can't win a second round
series in the East.
Speaker 4 (10:25):
By the way, did you see on that Hartenstein rebound.
Speaker 3 (10:27):
Who Joel Embiid was boxing out six foot five Josh Hart,
not the six eleventh center who just came crashing in
and grabbed it. One last word, uh, I heard Barkley
say Joel Embid is the leader.
Speaker 2 (10:38):
I know.
Speaker 3 (10:38):
Kyle Lowry has only been there a year. He's a veteran.
He's been in way more playoff series, He's won a title.
Speaker 2 (10:43):
I would challenge it.
Speaker 3 (10:44):
Kyle Lowry is probably the veteran in that locker room
who's gonna speak up and have the respect of everyone.
I don't know that Embiid is that like we talk
about with this Durant, you know, like is Durant pounding
the table in the huddle. I don't think he is.
Speaker 2 (10:57):
I think Kyle Lowry might be more that guy.
Speaker 1 (10:59):
The leader doesn't have to be the best player night.
I mean, Draymond Green is often the leader for the Warriors,
Chris Paul was a leader for the Suns. Booker is
the better player at this point in their careers.
Speaker 2 (11:10):
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Speaker 1 (11:20):
J Mack was asking a question during the break. He said,
Who's better all time? Yokich or Tim Duncan, And it
really highlights how the game has changed. Duncan wasn't asked
to pass her shoot. In his day, he was the
big fundamentally, he was a great defensive player, great score,
great rebound. Jokicch now in the modern game is a
elite passer, an elite shooter, not as good defensively. They
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can both rebound, so it really shows you Duncan and
Jokic highlight the change of the game. The game is
now more skilled. Your biggs can shoot and pass, you know,
so Bonus could when I covered him. But by and
large you didn't look the shack for shooting and passing.
It was power, it was dominance, it was rebounding. So
Duncan for his time was a Jokic. He was great
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at what we asked centners to do. We asked centers
to defend and rebound and score. Now we ask centers
to be capable shooters and also move the ball. Don't
be a hole get rid of it. You know, Patrick Ewing,
you dumped the ball to him, it was over. You'd
never see it back Jokic is different. So it really
is we ask our players now to be Jokic. If
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you're just Duncan and can't shoot and you can't defend
the wing. I'm not saying that Duncan wouldn't figure out
ways to be important today. But I've said this about Jordan.
He would be great today, but he was not a
great passer or a great long range shooter. Kobe, you
could argue, actually fits. Kobe was a clever passer when
he decided to pass, he was also had great range.
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So it's not that Jordan wouldn't be amazing and relentless
and win. But there are players that are ahead of
their time. Larry Bird in his prime. If Larry Bird
broke into the league today, he would be Luka, but
a better pass that's what he would look like. He'd
be a more clever passing Luca Limitations defensively unbelievable shooter,
always gets his shot, runs the break, That's what he
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would be. Charles Barkley was ahead of his time. He
could score low transition perimeter. Barkley would be unbelievable today.
Bird would be Lebron would be in any era. But
there are players what would you do with Kareem, what
would you do? Like the skyhook is great, it's two,
so you would he probably would, you know, he'd be
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a great dominant score, but there would be times the
pace of the players he aged, the pace was slower
with him. Now again, magic brought the most out of it.
He could be dominant. Not saying Michael or Kareem wouldn't
be dominant, nine ten, twelve time All Star. I'm not
saying that, but the game, like Barkley and Bird age
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really well, Duncan wouldn't quite age as well. He wouldn't.
Now you say, well, would Yokich of age back then? Yeah,
because he's you know, he's big, he's strong, and he
doesn't miss around the basket. So Jokic would have aged
better than Duncan. He would have moved into a different
era and been more successful.
Speaker 2 (14:05):
I mean, Duncan's nickname was the Big Fundamental, right, he
did everything.
Speaker 1 (14:08):
Perfect that Big was asked to do right.
Speaker 2 (14:11):
Well, Yokic does everything Tim Duncan did, but better. And
that's not a knock Duncan.
Speaker 1 (14:16):
Obviously, he doesn't defend like Tim.
Speaker 2 (14:18):
He does not defend liked him.
Speaker 3 (14:19):
But passer score Duncan never averaged like twenty five points
a game once in his career. Jokic over twenty five
all the time. Duncan, not the passer, never averaged four
assists a game. Yokic is putting up triple doubles every night.
Yeah no, he's just the game is totally different. Skill
level is completely different. I bring this up because watching
yokaslast sime, he didn't have a great game, right, and
then you look up he's got twenty seven to twenty
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and tennisist What the hell?
Speaker 6 (14:42):
How?
Speaker 2 (14:43):
And you start.
Speaker 3 (14:44):
Looking at I have Duncan as like a top ten
guy all time, and Yokic is on the track Colin
to be a top ten player in the Well.
Speaker 1 (14:51):
If he wins another championship this year and he's got
worthy adversaries, well he's gonna he's gonna proably be at Boston.
Speaker 3 (14:57):
By the way, Duncan played with David Robinson, Hall of Famer, Janobilee,
Tony Parker, and Yokich has played with how many All
Stars Jamal Murry has ever been an All Star ever?
It's like, oh my gosh, like what he's doing with
this group, and I know they're the best starting five
in the league.
Speaker 4 (15:12):
But it's not like they're all stars. Just consider that stuff, folks.
Speaker 2 (15:15):
It's wild.
Speaker 1 (15:16):
J Mack with the news.
Speaker 2 (15:18):
Will this is the herd Line news.
Speaker 3 (15:23):
All right, let's go back to the NFL. The draft
is Thursday. Caleb Williams is going first. We know that,
but here we go. Anonymous NFL coach guy believes it's
a note brainer that Jaden Daniels would be drafted right there,
adding Jaden looks like the best guy in the draft.
Speaker 2 (15:40):
Are you kidding me?
Speaker 1 (15:42):
Darrel Kayler Williams.
Speaker 2 (15:43):
Come on, Colin, this is this is where it's silly
season right now?
Speaker 1 (15:46):
Come on? Is this anonymous NFL coach or unemployed coach?
That's a good one, all right, Yeah, I think there's
zero evidence just on frame. You would because he's bulker
and stronger, bulkier and stronger, I would take I would
take Caleb over j Jayden Daniels. Concern is he takes
a lot of hits and he's real finn. That's a concern.
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We saw Bryce Young, We're like, oh, he looks small,
like it matters.
Speaker 3 (16:11):
Is this the same guy who told Tom Pellisaro that
Zach Wilson had better tape than Patrick Mahomes coming.
Speaker 2 (16:16):
Up, lawd It's like, come on, listen, I don't know.
Speaker 4 (16:20):
I let's kill with the kend the draft get here already.
Speaker 3 (16:22):
Next up is the Falcons got Kirk Cousins this offseason,
but they may get penalized for tampering in the process.
Cousins seemed to implicate himself when doing his introductory presser,
saying the team had first person contact with him.
Speaker 2 (16:35):
Before the start of the league year.
Speaker 3 (16:37):
Reports indicate that discipline is soon to come and likely
to be harsh, given Cousins on the record statement, now
so stupid.
Speaker 1 (16:45):
It is kind of dumb.
Speaker 3 (16:46):
But the Dolphins lost a twenty twenty three first rounder
and a twenty.
Speaker 2 (16:50):
Twenty four third for tampering with Brady.
Speaker 1 (16:53):
And Peyton.
Speaker 4 (16:55):
As well.
Speaker 1 (16:55):
What you rapport? Oh, go ahead.
Speaker 3 (16:57):
The league's review on tampering will not conclude this week,
so it likely will not be impact this draft for
the Falcon.
Speaker 1 (17:04):
I think it's dumb, So let me ask you this.
I'm Kirk Cousins, and in my rehab you know, I've
got my private jet and I'm banging around and I
go see a buddy, and I go see and all
of a sudden, I see a Falcons, you know, because
rich people hang with rich people, and all of a
sudden I see a Falcons team president and maybe Arthur
Blank said something. I can't talk to him. I can't ever.
I mean, like some of this stuff is just dumb.
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Players talk. I mean, how do you think a fairs start?
They start as verbal affairs. You start talking, you know
what I mean? Like the idea that players now in
this world we live in with all these platforms, and
it just it's so silly to me. By the way,
Kirk cousins ultimately, why did he choose Atlantic because I'm tampering? No,
Because they had a tight end, two running backs, the
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best offensive line of all the teams available, Drake London
and all they needs an AZ rusher. He did it.
Tom Brady. He looked at it and he went, They're
gonna pay me. It's a great old line. I'm coming
up at Achille Surgery. And like Tampa, they need one
big draft pick. The Tampa Bay Buccaneers needed to write
tackle Tristan Wurtz. These guys needed edge rusher Dallas Turner
or whoever. So the idea that this had influence because
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I bump into some I could bump into somebody at
a million networks tomorrow doesn't have any influences. It couldn't
stop me if I wanted to.
Speaker 3 (18:16):
When I worked at this newspaper, I was covering some
of these high school recruits who are a big time
in the area. And this there's this thing called the
bump where coaches know your habits, whether you go to
an arcade, at Starbucks, whatever, And it just so happens
that these star athletes would just bump into coaches out
and about in public. Fancy how that happens, Right, Kirk
Cousins just bumping into Arthur Blank somewhere.
Speaker 1 (18:37):
You do likely you do get them that Kirk Cousins.
If Kirk Cousins is going on vacation, so he lives
in Minnesota, he's rehabbing his wife. You know, he's like, hey,
let's take the kids, let's go to the Bahamas. You
do get. Kirk Cousins would stay in a penthouse in
the nicest hotel in the Bahamas. So would Arthur Blank.
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And you'd probably be upstairs in the VIP room upstairs
at the Grand Bahama or the Ritz Carlton. You do get,
And anybody listening that is one of those rich people,
and maybe nobody's listening. When you travel around the country,
what you find is if you're in that upper upper
one percent class, you see the same people in Aspen,
in the Hamptons. You think Howard Stern doesn't bump into
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the same twenty five people. These NFL owners, eight owners
own a house a mile from here in Beverly Hills.
Eight NFL owners live around the corner from where we're at.
They don't live in Luwock. And so the idea that
Kirk Cousins could bump into somebody with an NFL team
on vacation, I just I think it's stupid to think
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that makes the decay. Tom Brady could bump into whoever
he wants. He wanted to go to a place with
Mike Evans, Chris Godwin, Bruce Arians in a lousy division.
That's what kirk Cousins saw.
Speaker 3 (19:48):
Makes me wonder remember the McVeigh Stafford story. They bumped
into each other in Cabo and then hung out.
Speaker 1 (19:54):
Okay, that's a great idea.
Speaker 2 (19:55):
It happened to me a five star resorted.
Speaker 1 (19:58):
So it's funny. I just you know, once every few
years a buddy of mine invites me to Camo, and
he's got a nice place. He's a ritzy guy, Hollywood guy.
The only one I know who was in who was
there Tony Gonzalez, the president of the Kansas City Chiefs.
I'm sitting there having a beer with my wife and
the president of the Kansas City chief sits down, introduces himself,
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and then there's Tony Gonzalez next to us. So the
point is, if I would have been Kirk Cousins and
taking my family to Kabo, I would have run into
the Kansas City Chiefs president and Tony Gonzalez. And by
the way, there was also another famous person there. Don't
want to call him. He was there. I didn't see him,
but it was a nice resort. And then you know,
there's five or six resorts and there's you know, so
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I just think it's nonsense. Kirk Cousins. Kirk Cousins chose it,
not because he bumped into somebody. By the way, Why
did we Why was the rumor out there Kirk Cousins
was going to Atlanta because it made the most sense, right,
the weakest division best online. He's an old guy with
an achille surgery.
Speaker 4 (21:01):
Final story is the Lakers.
Speaker 3 (21:03):
Colin that's Malone lead last night or twenty points ten
straight losses to Denver. However, there is a report that
no matter what happens in this series, Darvin Ham will
be retained by the Lakers next season. Now, some of
it is just reading Tea Leaves skepticism. The Genie Bus
would want to pay him eight million dollars to not
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coach next season. Colin, I would be shocked if the
Lakers got swept in the first round.
Speaker 4 (21:31):
He's keeping his job after getting swept last year and
this year.
Speaker 1 (21:34):
By the best team in the world.
Speaker 3 (21:35):
Yeah, that would shock me, and Laker fans would be
probably what games they would stage?
Speaker 5 (21:42):
You coot?
Speaker 1 (21:42):
Now, they're going to the games, of course they are.
The games are a scene, no, So they're going to
go to the games.
Speaker 2 (21:46):
So Genie Buss has the fame.
Speaker 1 (21:48):
You didn't fire the coach. You want more popcorn? Want
o beer?
Speaker 2 (21:51):
You know who? I want to know. I want to
know what Lebron thinks.
Speaker 1 (21:54):
Lebron, I don't think free agent. I don't love Darvin
Ham's rotations all the time, but there are limitations here.
Sometimes they'll have Lebron and Austin Reeves off the floor
at the same time. I would never do that. Those
are your two shot, those are the two playmakers. But
he's gonna be back. I don't think he's the problem.
I think Dela problem. Last ten times they've played Denver
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eight times, d Lo den Denver. Jmck of the.
Speaker 3 (22:21):
News, Well that's the news, and thanks for stopping that lie.
Speaker 1 (22:26):
So yesterday, as I am prone to do, working the
phones diligently, Big Jay journalism, and I was talking to
a source in the Dallas metroplex and we were talking
about the Cowboys. He said, it's a bit of a
circus here, and he goes, you know they're there, they
don't they don't want to pay Dak right now, and
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Dak saying all the right stuff and it's not about this.
But here I saw a headline this morning. This cracks
me up. What are the Cowboys' best options at quarterback?
If Dak Prescott leaves, get another one two teams that
should draft a quarterback in the first round or second
round this year. That nobody's talking about the Jets and
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the Cowboys they both should Dak. Dak has a dead
cap hit next year. Let's say say plays this year,
even the following year he has a forty million dollar
dead cap hit. So you got a draft a quarterback now,
who's cheap? Second third round? Next year's quarterback class not great,
shaduor Sanders and cam Ward at Miami's on his third team,
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but he is pretty talented. But let's just take the
names out. Take the names Dallas Cowboys out, Jerry Jones out,
and Dak Prescott because everybody gets emotional with the names.
And if I just said this, fifty eight million dollar
quarterback eight years, two playoff wins, one against the sub
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five hundred team with a ninety one passer rating in
the playoffs, does that sound impossible to replace? Sounds challenging
Mahomes and Brady. That's impossible. Mahomes will be impossible. Replacing
Kirk Cousins or Dak. It's challenging. That's the league. It's
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practice is challenging. So if you take out one playoff
win over Tampa, they were under five hundred. If you
just take that game out, in eight years, Dak is
one in six in the playoffs, ten TV seven picks.
We're not talking goat stuff here, right, What's Dallas gonna
do draft a quarterback in the second round?
Speaker 7 (24:32):
This year.
Speaker 1 (24:33):
Put some heat on him. Oh, there'll be a dead
cap hit. You want to kick it down the road more.
You've been kicking that can down the road with Dak
for years. You want to keep doing that. So, I
mean Green Bays hit on three straight quarterbacks, you can't
hit on another one. It's again this idea. I was
talking to my source yesterday and he's saying this. Everybody's
freaking out in Dallas. What are you gonna do? What
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are you gonna do? We're not talking Josh Allen. We're
not talking Joe Montana. We're not talking far. That was
a concern for Green Bay far Thank god they got Rogers. Rogers,
they got Jordan Love. Dak is a fourth round pick.
Never been a beautiful thrower. Take out one playoff game
in his career over the worst team they ever played,
Tampa sub five hundred. He's one and six ten TV
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seven picks ninety one pass aready is a playoff quarterback. Okay,
draft another quarterback. Jets and the Cowboys should draft a quarterback.
Nothing against Aaron Rodgers, but I would probably in the
third round, after you get an offensive lineman. Maybe in
the first round. In a wide receive I would consider
if I was the Jets moving down, getting an extra
pick and drafting a quarterback in the third round. I
think Dallas in the second round. By the way, if
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you go look at Green Bay where they drafted quarterbacks
Aaron Rodgers, Jordan Love end of the first round, where's
Dallas's pick? And of the first round, it's a perfect
time to get Penis or Bonnicks. Just a thought. Brian Kelly,
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Speaker 1 (26:51):
Well, every place he's been Division two on UP He's
ended up being the national coach of the Year at
that level. He's led his teams wherever noted am LSU
to ten plus wins in seven straight seasons. I think
he's one of the smartest guys in the sport. Brian Kelly,
third year with LSU, is joining us before he heads
out to a golf course. He his off season is
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about three weeks, so he's got the clubs ready right
after this interview, Brian, let's start with this. I like
Jayden Daniels a lot. If I had the number two pick,
I would take him. I worry a little bit about
his frame, a little bit, but the SEC's got NFL bodies.
Is that a fair concern that he is tall and
a little thin. Yeah, but I.
Speaker 8 (27:33):
Don't think you lose any sleep.
Speaker 7 (27:35):
I think if he was a poor decision maker, if
he was sloppy with the football. If he couldn't walk
into an NFL locker room and meet the guys, then
then those are things that lead to not getting any sleep.
He can put on weight, Uh, those are those are
small concerns. He is a flat out playmaker. He will
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he'll change the look of your franchise. And I think
that that's why I believe he's the best quarterback in
the draft.
Speaker 1 (28:04):
Now. LSU doesn't lose a lot of games. What is
his temperament If you go to Washington and you get
you know, the media is big and they're allowed, and
it's cold, and they're beaten up on him and he's
seven and ten, and what's his makeup? His personality?
Speaker 7 (28:19):
Well, in his first year, where he struggled at times,
he was the same guy each and every week he
went to work, He continued to lead, He worked on
his craft. So you know, this is a guy that
you know he can handle the ups and downs of it.
You know, he got knocked out of the game against Alabama,
can cussed in the game and found his way back
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the next week against Florida and set an NCAA record.
So this is a guy that gets knocked down and
gets back up the next week.
Speaker 1 (28:51):
So Moleak Neighbors has a little obj lsu is a
wide receiver and defensive back factory. He's a yards after
the catch guy. Again, let's ask the durability questions. Can
he play day one in the NFL? What do you
make of Elak Neighbors, who people now are saying is
a top five pick.
Speaker 7 (29:13):
Well, again, I had him for two years and and
in terms of a durability, every day of practice, and
I'm talking every day of practice in one on ones,
going up for balls, competing in the red zone, you know,
playing in a bowl game. When when when he didn't
need to play in a bowl game? He he does
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not care. He wants to compete every single day. So
he's going to answer the belt. He's gonna play every game.
He's gonna compete. It's just in his DNA, it's in
his nature. So you know, look, there are many great
wide receivers in this draft.
Speaker 8 (29:47):
The first three or four as good as there have
been in a long time.
Speaker 7 (29:51):
Beauty is in the eye of the beholder when it
comes to wide receiver. But he can do it all
yards after the catch, elite speed and certainly go up
and get the football. So again I think he's going
to change the way an NFL team looks, and again,
do it right away.
Speaker 1 (30:07):
You did it Notre Dame. The Notre Dame you won early,
but you weren't You weren't SEC deep early. By the
end of your stay, you went toe to toe with
Georgia twice and you looked the part and no, no
fools goal this was you had. You had backups that
would play in the NFL. Part of the secret to
beating an SEC team is o line play. Michigan had
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it this year, where you can just protect your quarterback.
You did a remarkable job at Notre Dame. It became
kind of a factory for offensive linemen. Joe Alt is
somebody you recruited. I think he's the best tackle. That's
what my people say. I don't know if he's Trent Williams.
But did you know initially high schooled? Is this what
you perceived first tackle off the board? NFL Draft top ten?
Speaker 7 (30:55):
Well, I think the only thing that was the question
mark was would he be able to put on the
way necessary to be that anchor? And we felt very
confident with our strength and conditioning team and his demeanor
and the way he handled things, and course the pedigree
that he was going to be able to do it. Look,
you know, being a left tackle takes more than just
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length and athletic ability.
Speaker 8 (31:18):
There are a lot of guys that have that. His
demeanor is outstanding.
Speaker 7 (31:22):
You know, he has a ability to forget and move
on to the next play.
Speaker 8 (31:28):
The left tackle is going to get the best of
the best. I just think, you.
Speaker 7 (31:32):
Know, the things that we don't talk about enough with
the best offensive lineman is the right makeup. The demeanor
of a Joe Alt is that he's a pros pro.
He's going to go to work every day and he's
going to know you may get me once, but I'm
going to learn from that and and I'm going to
shut you out when when it's most important.
Speaker 8 (31:52):
And he's a very very smart football player.
Speaker 1 (31:55):
The great coaches in college I think Nick Saban proved this.
He lost a lot of good coordinators. He reinvented his program.
They went from corners to receivers and quarterbacks. He reinvented it.
He didn't get stubborn. Mike Krzyzewski didn't like the one
and done initially, and then he joked I kept getting
beat by one and done. Guys, So he went one
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and done. You if you start looking at what you're
gonna have to face now the transfer portal Nil. People
can grumble about it, but Brian, it's here. It's the
reality of it. Give me something you like about the
transfer portal and everybody grumbles about it. You've used it,
Dion's used it, Lincoln's used it, Nick used it. What
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give me something you like about it?
Speaker 7 (32:41):
Well, you can manage your roster during this period of time,
this second portal where you can't transfer within the SEC.
Speaker 8 (32:49):
You know, you can manage your roster.
Speaker 7 (32:51):
Guys that are struggling at this level to play in
the SEC, they now can look for an escape route.
They can look for a place where they can go
and compete somewhere else. And it allows you to bring
somebody in that might be at a lower level that
can help your roster right away. So the ability to
manage your roster in this second portal is a positive
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thing from that perspective where it allows kids to get
out and find a place and land at a school
where they can in fact compete and you can upgrade
your roster.
Speaker 8 (33:25):
So I think that's a positive from that perspective.
Speaker 1 (33:27):
When you left for LSU, I said, I totally get it.
It's easier to recruit southern schools warm weather than northern schools.
I completely get it. Notre Dame's got academics, it's tougher
than average, it's cold weather, it's a small town. I
got it. You got some pushback, but I think in
the end there's just most people understood it. The town
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side is ten wins is not good enough at LSU,
you know. I mean it's like SEC. They show up
on Wednesday and they'll win a bago for the game.
Take me through the move from Notre Dame to you
the describe passion for somebody that's never been in the
heart of the South.
Speaker 7 (34:08):
Well, certainly there was an understanding that we had to
retool in a number of ways. The roster was not
where it needed to be, and and so there is
a little bit of grace, but.
Speaker 8 (34:21):
You still have to compete.
Speaker 7 (34:23):
We won the SEC West in our first year and
certainly in our second year provided our fan base with
the number one offense in the country. So again, you
can't just come down here and say, hey, we're going
to rebuild. You have to still provide a nationally qualifying
football team.
Speaker 8 (34:41):
Which we did.
Speaker 7 (34:42):
But now the time is such that we've had two years,
we're building depth within our football team. This has got
to be a team that now competes for a playoff
spot and puts itself in a playoff situation as we
continue to build the depth of this roster, so we
can be in the cons the conversation like a Georgia
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and in Alabama and the teams that have been there
each and every year.
Speaker 1 (35:06):
Finally, he's getting overlooked because there's so many good receivers
and Malik Neighbors and Harrison and Roma Dunze are taking
all the press. You have a young man named Brian Thomas,
and again LSU does receivers like nobody else. What is he?
What's he like to describe? If I've never seen him play,
and I'm an NFL GM and I don't, I haven't
(35:26):
popped a tape in, what would you tell me to expect?
Speaker 7 (35:32):
Well, First of all, his ability is not just about
running nine routes and going down the field and catching
the ball. His ability to break tackles, his ability to
make the difficult catches when when he's up in the air.
I mean I'm talking about acrobatic catches. A guy that
can make the play after the catch. He's got yards
(35:54):
after the catch. Again, a unique talent that again when
when you look at it, wins the one on one matchups. Look,
we had two guys that if you doubled anybody, the
other guy got one on one matchups and he beat
the best. So he's just going to add to an
NFL roster. And if you give him one on one coverage.
(36:17):
He's got elite speed, he's got size and the ability
to make place after the catch.
Speaker 1 (36:21):
All right, I know you're gonna go golf. Stay away
from Saban. All he does is golf. Now, do not
stay away from me out. It's all good for him.
He's happy in retirement. Thanks Brian, no doubt.
Speaker 8 (36:34):
Take care, guys. You're having me on.
Speaker 1 (36:35):
All right, Brian Kelly LSU football coach Nick Saban's retiring
the way you should grab the clubs. Dila says, I
do the chores in the morning, wife tells me what
to do. Do the chores. Then I'm out to the
golf course. My daughter told me yesterday she knows, dadd
you know what I want someday a golf cart. I
want to live somewhere where I can have a golf cart.
That's where you live. You live in one of those
fancy places. Don't you think I never thought about a
(36:57):
golf cart? Do you want one? Why are you looking
at me.
Speaker 7 (37:01):
Like I don't?
Speaker 2 (37:02):
I mean, I don't mean.
Speaker 1 (37:03):
My daughter, they're great.
Speaker 3 (37:05):
It's not like there's a ton of parking spots for them.
Though they're not that much of a help. It's just, man,
they're kind of cool.
Speaker 1 (37:12):
The idea.
Speaker 4 (37:13):
Yeah, you put a little speaker on one and maybe
dress it.
Speaker 2 (37:16):
Up with some Christmas lights. You got like a nighttime
vibe going on.
Speaker 7 (37:20):
Right.
Speaker 1 (37:22):
My daughter, out of the blue, said that, Dad, I
want a golf cart. And I'm like, are you gonna retire?
Are you moving to those retired del Boca Vista? What
do you mean? You're like, You're like, you're like twenty
three years old. She gives others it wouldn't be great
to live somewhere you could go around the community and
a golf cart. And I said, I'm sixty. That's what
I'm looking for.
Speaker 4 (37:40):
Yeah, she's twenty three.
Speaker 2 (37:43):
He has a golf cart.
Speaker 1 (37:44):
You know, she's ahead of her time. She's getting ready
for retirement. Yeah, has to work a little more. What
a time. Springtime is the perfect time to give a
fresh look to your security simply safecolin dot com. There's
no safe like simply safe. So earlier this hour, I
want to put it back up. I did my high
low Comp game with the quarterbacks in the first round,
(38:05):
the high Low Comp game, and basically Jason's pushback was
they're all good, and I said, well, I think this.
First of all, these quarterbacks are unique. Almost all of
them have like thirty forty to fifty starts. Bonix has
sixty one. That's insane. That's the most starts ever for
a college quarterback. I do believe it's certainly in the
(38:29):
certainly in the ballpark of it. So I think you
have a lot of starts, a lot of film that
reduces the mis rate. It also gives you this generation
of quarterbacks. Also over the last four to five years,
this generation of quarterbacks has far more throws in high school,
in summer, in off season work. So my high low
(38:50):
for Caleb Williams high is Mahomes low is Kyler Murray
where he's a little off script too much. High low
Drake may As justin Herbert and Carson Wentz. He looks
like Herbert, but Carson Wentz always struggled with consistent accuracy.
Jaden Daniels, Lamar and Robert Griffin. I do worry about
(39:12):
Jaden's frame and the NFL games faster taking hits and
getting beat up. JJ McCarthy is Alex Smith, which I
think is a lower ceiling than you'd expect for a
first round quarterback, but mostly dependent on the coach he
gets to win. And then Marcus Mariota again stayed around
for a while, won some games. I think I think
he made the playoffs, but I don't see McCarthy as
(39:32):
quite the talent of the others, Bo, Nicks, Drew Brees.
I do think if he goes to Denver or a
Mike McDaniel, he could be highly productive. I mean, Tua
puts up huge numbers with the right coach. The other
side is Derek Carr, and when I saw him play live,
I thought, you know, car throws a better deep ball,
but Bo didn't have a big arm. He doesn't throw
the ball down the field great. A lot of it
(39:54):
was schemed up in college. Can he go off script?
What you have to do to win big in the NFL,
and then Cole Pennix junior is Mark Brunell and Jamis
Winston and the Jameis Winston comp is he looked the part.
It just didn't win enough. And J McK if you
had to pick apart one, what would it be.
Speaker 4 (40:11):
I started to put together a list during the break.
Speaker 3 (40:16):
What if I said JJ McCarthy's low end, and I
like j J McCarthy need to preface that.
Speaker 4 (40:22):
What if his low end was Josh Rosen? Would you
would what would you say?
Speaker 1 (40:24):
Josh Rosen?
Speaker 4 (40:25):
By the way, a lot of starts at UCLA.
Speaker 1 (40:28):
He is more mobile than Josh Rosen and won a
lot more games, so he's a bigger winner and he
moves better.
Speaker 3 (40:35):
Okay, what if I told you that Jaden daniels low end,
and I like Jayden Daniels needs to preface it.
Speaker 2 (40:40):
I'm not a hater.
Speaker 4 (40:41):
What if I told you his low end was Vince Young?
What would you say?
Speaker 1 (40:45):
I mean Vince Young again, Dary, I don't think he's
that big and strong, but I think he's a First
of all, I think he's a much better thrower than
Vince Young. He's not as big and strong. Vince Young
won a lot of games. I was never a fan,
but won a lot of in college. Yeah, I mean
in the NFL he was Okay, I mean Jayden throws
a better. Jaden is much better from the pocket than
Vince Young, and I'm not sure anybody's been outside of Lamar.
(41:07):
Vince Young was an un Vinjong's best high school football
player in America ever quarterback.
Speaker 2 (41:12):
And then for bow Knicks up just to be high.
Speaker 3 (41:14):
So I could be positive, What instead of Breeze, who's
a Lock Hall of Famer, What if I said Matt Ryan,
who's not a Lock Hall of Famer, did win an MVP.
Speaker 1 (41:22):
Maybe that's better, I think again, But if bo Knicks
is more athletic than Matt Ryan, he moves better, yes,
and that so yeah, I mean early Drew Brees moved
pretty well. He didn't run a lot, but he could. Yeah.
I don't think that Drew Brees.
Speaker 2 (41:37):
Slam dunk Hall of Fame.
Speaker 4 (41:38):
I think even both bon Nicks would have to be unbelievable.
Speaker 1 (41:42):
That's fair, that's fair. Matt Ryan and Derek Carr. Matt
Ryan won an MVP.
Speaker 2 (41:46):
He did, and he went to a super Bowl.
Speaker 1 (41:47):
Should have won one, but you should have piped up
in the morning meeting, I would have given you that one.
Speaker 3 (41:51):
Why would I give it away at the morning meeting
when I could do it here And it's a.
Speaker 1 (41:54):
Better back and forth, good call. A lot of smart
takes today. Our three coming up
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