April 24, 2024 • 32 mins
Colin gives his predictions for some of the top prospects in the NFL Draft
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Speaker 2 (00:50):
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Speaker 3 (00:53):
More NFL Draft fodder. There's so many fun nuggets out there,
so the draft obviously is tomorrow. The people wondering a
Giant's gonna get a quarterback with their first round pick
the latest. According to a guest of this show, Diana Rossini,
Giants ownership is reluctant to trade up from the sixth
pick for a QB. After paying Daniel Jones last offseason.
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He got the four year, one hundred and sixty million
dollars deal. Probably not that expensive to go up from
like six to four, six to three. So Daniel Jones
will be their guy this season.
Speaker 1 (01:31):
Patriots, Panthers, Giants stink right now. The only three teams
in the league that to me are just stink.
Speaker 3 (01:39):
So Dable's a good enough coach. He can survive like
a five win seas.
Speaker 1 (01:42):
Dable is an excellent coach, and he's a little hot
for some people, but he's a good coach.
Speaker 3 (01:46):
And even if he gets canned, he can point to
the ownership and say, Dabe wanted to pay Daniel Dable.
Speaker 1 (01:51):
Will absolutely get a second head coaching job. He got
Daniel Jones to the playoffs. He'll be fine. Yeah, I
had the Chargers should have hired him. I remember when
the Chargers came down to day Ball and Brandon Staley,
and I asked at that point the then general manager,
why didn't you hire Dabel? He's great with young quarterbacks,
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And I was not given the answer that was satisfactory
to me.
Speaker 3 (02:15):
You want to reveal the answer, No, okay, I'm very
curious what it is next up. Pittsburgh Steelers busy offseason
at quarterback. They added Russell Wilson and Justin Fields, which
seems like kind of a good thing. Pittsburgh has said
Russ is going to be the starter. Fields will back up.
Speaker 1 (02:32):
Yeah, I know this to be true. Russ has been
given some guarantees here. I know that to be true.
This idea that it's a quarterback competition's nonsense. Russ is
starting and Russ is gonna get the year.
Speaker 3 (02:43):
I think the phrase was he as the inside track
or something along those lines. However, Adam Schefter says the
Steelers are not expected to pick up Field's fifth year option.
I find it bizarre that they would say this to Schefter. Now,
I mean, we don't know what's going to happen during
the season. Might beat him, Yeah, yeah, we do, Yeah,
we do. Russe will be better than Justin Trustell gets hurt,
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Field starts, they make the playoff.
Speaker 1 (03:05):
Russell Rush never gets hurt. When's Rusbin hurt? Once he's
hurt a finger on. Russ doesn't get hurt. He plays
every week. Also interesting this is this idea Russell Wilson
knows how to play quarterback. You may think he's not
what he was, but he knows how to play the
position justin fields as closer to Zach Wilson. We just
don't think he's an NFL quarterback. So this idea that,
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like he just needs a change of environment. Tomlin's a
defensive coach. They haven't been able to get offensive coordinator
or the run game right. So I mean, I this
idea that justin field, he just needs a new start.
Why aren't you saying that for Zack Wilson because the
numbers look this same.
Speaker 3 (03:41):
Well, it's weird how defensive you are for Russ when
two coaches let's see.
Speaker 1 (03:46):
Here, yeah defense ca he Carrol's going to the Hall
of Fame.
Speaker 3 (03:49):
Well, Sean Payton probably going to the Hall of Fame,
and both of them moved off Russell.
Speaker 1 (03:53):
You're you're saying, I'm you'd think I'm pro Russ. No,
I mean you Russe in his camp have turned on
me because they think anti Russ. Where I've said before,
there is something with Russ that I didn't see that.
I mean, when you have multiple coaches and players calling
him out publicly, there is something in the room I'm
not seeing. I mean, I know he can be kind
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of people think it's a little you know, relentlessly optimistic,
a little cringei or whatever it is. I'm not I
don't know that. He's always been nice to me, so
do I but it's I'm not anti or pro. I
thought for years and years he was getting other guys drafted.
He was uniquely elusive, like Kyler Murray, although I think
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Kyler Toe's a prettier ball. But it's I'm not pro Russ.
But this idea that justin fields it's gonna be a
They're gonna go into camp and it's go either way.
Speaker 3 (04:44):
Well, I mean, listen, if Russ throws two picks in
the opener, do you know that they're gonna be the
clamory game? When is it justin fields?
Speaker 1 (04:51):
Well, who's gonna say that? You mean Mike tom was
gonna pull him by Mike.
Speaker 3 (04:54):
Towns in the final year of his deal. That's another
underlying thing here, like what's he gonna do? Does he
You never want to say that, but like he's in the.
Speaker 2 (05:03):
Final Yevers deal.
Speaker 3 (05:04):
There was chatter that he would go to TV.
Speaker 1 (05:06):
Remember this, No, I mean, I've talked to two network
presidents and Tomlin is viewed as the safest home run
analyst in the league that you bring Mike Tomlin on
He's great on TV. Two network presidents have told me
that that that's the guy that you hire, and Mike
Tomlin would be unbelievable. I've told you there's very few
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people I've never interviewed. Tomlin's one I'd like to. He's
one of the only ones left. Phil Mickelson and him.
That's it, Michkelson, I've never interviewed Michelson and UH and
Mike Tomlin live. You did think that you've interviewed Lebron. Oh,
I just I've talked to Lebron. Steph Curry, Yeah, I've
interviewed him before.
Speaker 3 (05:47):
I was in on Steph just right out of David
since some of us happened that I radar right.
Speaker 1 (05:54):
Final story is.
Speaker 3 (05:54):
The NBA, and maybe the NBA needs to stop doing
this whole two minute report being released because they released
it for the Nick Sixers Game two and the NBA
ruled that Tyrese Maxie was fouled multiple times during the
defining sequence of that game. They found that Nick Nurse
had actually called for a timeout. There's some question on
the on the review if he actually signaled for it,
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but this is what the league is saying. Brunston grab
Maxie's jersey. Josh hartbumb Maxie and.
Speaker 1 (06:23):
Yeah, by the way, I've seen that replay. I don't
think it's a foul. I think that's not. First of all,
why are you I don't like this idea of going
back and saying I agree. I don't like it. Secondly,
I watched that play from the side. I watched it
from like twelve angles. I don't think it's a foul.
Speaker 3 (06:38):
It's like the NFL are they gonna go back and
say this was a holding, we missed this holding call.
They don't do that.
Speaker 2 (06:43):
Well.
Speaker 1 (06:45):
I don't think this idea that Matt Jalen Brunson puts
his hand on him. That's that's marginal contact, which is
a new term in the league. I've watched that piece
of video ten times, and I've watched it from the
court side view, which is on the internet. I still
don't see the fouls. That's just physical NBA player. The
other thing is when you get into these scrums, you
don't call fouls in those cities. You don't call fouls
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on that stuff that is live ball players win. That's
like calling a pass interference down the sideline with ten
seconds to go in a football game, you just stay
out of the way and let those guys battle unless
there's somebody that pulls him down with a face.
Speaker 3 (07:20):
Well, there was that egregious one. Was it a Packers Chiefs?
Speaker 2 (07:24):
Do you remember that? Deep down all?
Speaker 1 (07:25):
That was it? And they didn't call it. That was
a horrible miss, right, So like it happens. I mean,
I've watched this video. I don't see the fouls. I
think it's physical playoff basketball and you just let guys
when that ball goes on the floor, I'm not calling
a foul.
Speaker 3 (07:38):
Yeah, and you can't get the guy that time out.
He had it for less than a split second. The
ref can't say he's got it entime.
Speaker 1 (07:44):
I had Philadelphia in this series, I would like there
to have been a foul. Yeah, this works again who
against who I picked for the series. So I would
like Philadelphia to actually have a chance. But I don't
think that's.
Speaker 3 (07:55):
A f I do wonder you made a good point
earlier that we're seeing more physical play refs less. I
think stuf's great.
Speaker 1 (08:00):
I love it.
Speaker 3 (08:01):
I think the coaches and the players not everybody has
adjusted yet, Colin, and that's a problem. We'll see where
it leads. But uh, yeah, I got sixers in Game
three handling.
Speaker 1 (08:11):
That's a pretty good bet.
Speaker 3 (08:13):
I can't believe it's four and a half. Feels like
free money. But maybe stumpings up with him beat.
Speaker 1 (08:17):
Or we both like we both like Dallas yesterday first half,
I mean all three.
Speaker 3 (08:22):
First halves that I mentioned on the show.
Speaker 1 (08:23):
Yeah, No, Philadelphia over New York is the beat of
the playoffs for Thursday.
Speaker 3 (08:28):
Now here's a hold your nose, plug and play if
you can stomach it. Miami heat first quarter tonight against Boston.
Can you stomach that? No, Boss is gonna murder them,
but first quarter, maybe Miami comes out with some gimmick defense.
Speaker 1 (08:40):
No, I know, spoils. No, that's not a bad bet.
Speaker 3 (08:43):
It's not for the faint of heart, because Boston could
hit five threes in.
Speaker 1 (08:46):
Well, gambling's not for the faint of heart, also true.
So just don't do it. It's like cocktails. You have one,
you'll probably have two. Faint of heart, don't do it.
J Macklin the news.
Speaker 2 (08:56):
Well that's the news, and thanks for stopping by the
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Speaker 1 (09:01):
Look at this, so this is interesting. His name, he's
a he's a content producer, at the other place, Paul
Himbow and he went twenty years back on first round
picks hit or miss based on whether they sign a
second contract. So what's interesting. So centers only miss in
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the first round eight percent of the time, tackles guards
fifty percent or more. So, offensive linemen just do not
miss much in the first round, and then linebacker, quarterback, edge,
and defensive tackle. You get very close to fifty percent.
Hit rate. Wide receiver is brutal. Three out of four misses.
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Now I can explain tight end. Tight end has the
second worst percentage of missing. And my theory is why
does Iowa have so many NFL tight ends Because Iowa
forces their tight ends to block, and a lot of
college tight ends don't block, and then they get to
the NFL and they never become good blockers. I'll give
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you an example. Dalton kid Kane went to Buffalo, so
Utah is a very physical college football team. They force
their tight ends to block. So anytime you draft an
Iowa tight end, they block. Harbaugh makes his tight ends
at Michigan block. Kyle Winningham at Utah, his tight ends block,
so the hit rate goes up. Tight Ends really struggle
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in this league. First round. Tight ends very dubious history,
but a lot of it is they just don't block
at the college level, and so they come smaller conferences,
they don't face NFL guys. They get to the NFL,
they just can't. They're just useless. They're just running around
making catches. But they're not physical players. George Kittle Iowa. TJ. Hawkinson, Iowa.
Iowa guys draft Iowa tight ends because that program makes
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them get into the weight room, basically an extension. They
may not be the most gifted physically, they're the extension
of the tackle. Iowa O lineman and tight ends draft them.
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Speaker 1 (11:17):
Lance Zerline is joining us NFL Draft analyst NFL dot Com.
Been doing this for twenty one years. So usually you
get to a draft. Somebody told me this years ago,
and there's about one player a draft. It was Bjean Robinson,
the running back from Texas. I think it was last year.
Where you get what you call a clean player. There's
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literally nothing you worry about. I had talked to a
GM he's like, he didn't fomble. He's a good kid.
He runs, he blocked. You're not going to draft him
number one. But Patrick Willis came out of Old miss
and I remember somebody saying that's a clean player. He's
gonna work wherever he goes. Is there a player that
you look at it in this draft lance and you
just regardless of where he lands, it's just gonna work.
Speaker 4 (12:03):
You're gonna love this because it's gonna tie into what
you just talked about. And I'd say it's Graham Barton,
who's gonna be a center or a guard coming out
of Duke who I expect to go sometime around nineteen
twenty twenty one. He's as clean as you're gonna find.
I mean, he's got good size for an interior lineman,
has tackle experience, and some teams are gonna potentially take
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a look at experimenting with keeping him out of tackle
despite having sub thirty three inch arms, which are short
for the position. But what you have as a guy
who has, you know, acc pass protection experience at the tackle,
you move him inside the guard. He has terrific technique,
great hand placement, unlocks his hips, knees, ankles is very
loose in his lower body, can create good leverage. I
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think he's consistent with his His body control and core
strength makes him a very consistent point of attack blocker.
I think when it comes to cleanest prospect in the draft,
we're probably talking about an interior line alignment, which happens
to be the position that you just got done talking
about is one of the best hit rate positions.
Speaker 1 (13:07):
So Jaden Daniels is interesting. I talked to somebody who
is very much in your space and he sent me
his breakdowns on the quarterbacks last night. Strengths, weaknesses. The
JJ McCarthy thing was not pretty. Not a fan of him,
and one of the things he said is it was
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not an NFL experience. When he has a clean pocket,
a good run game time can sett can throw. It's nice,
but missus easy stuff, not a big arm. There's a
Mitched Trubisky feel where he's athletic, but things have to
be perfect the site lines for him to throw. He
just was not a fan of McCarthy. He thinks he
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needs the right fit. Like Minnesota. It works a lot
of other places. It doesn't do you view McCarthy as
a flawed player. Where his college experiences is nothing close
to what the NFL is asking.
Speaker 5 (14:05):
Well, I think it's tough because it used to be
what the NFL is asking, and I think it still
can be in terms of Look, if you have a
great run team, if you have a great offensive line
or a good offensive line in front of you, and
you have a defense.
Speaker 4 (14:18):
That keeps you ahead of the sticks at all times
in terms of the scoreboard, yeah, I mean, obviously that's
ideal for any quarterback. I think what we're looking at
here is what offenses does JJ McCarthy fit in, And
I think he does fit in the team you mentioned
Minnesota with that play action boot action stuff that Kevin
O'Connell runs, obviously the same thing you know, we've seen
from Green Bay, and we see from Shanahan and his dad,
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Mike Shanahan, Gary Kubiak, who was in Houston when I
was there. So I think the problem we have is
I think the scouter report you had on him is
it's a tough scouting report considering the fact that he
hasn't been asked to do some of those things. I
think it's the mistake you make is assuming you can't
do it just because you haven't been asked to do it.
It's a guy who's got to see a record dating
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all the way back to being fifty fifteen years old
in high school. I mean, all he does is win. Now,
people don't like hearing that, but NFL teams really believe
that there are certain quarterbacks that have winning characteristics and leadership,
and I think some of the things you have to
look for in him are intangibles, perfectly perfect transparency here.
I have a really a late borderline first round, a
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second round great on him. But a lot of that
is simply because I can't see it yet, because they
haven't asked him to do it yet. But I'm not
going to make the mistake of saying he can't do it.
I do think Colin he's a game manager, and we
have to see if you ask more of him, and
you bring him along and allow him to keep growing
as a player and giving him more experience, can he
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become a playmaker instead of a snap tape.
Speaker 1 (15:47):
So it's interesting. I saw another story today with another
scout that was concerned about Caleb Williams, and it doesn't
mean much to me. I've seen a dozen kids, one
hundred kids cry in march madness when they lose. So
if a quarterback runs into the stands after he loses,
it's not the locker room, it's the stands and goes
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into his mother's arms. I've seen these college athletes, they're kids.
They cry, it's emotional. But I read this article and
the nails and that stuff, and it's not the first
time I have heard it. I don't know you talk
to these scouts and executives. I've talked to two people
now that said the Bears don't have the guts to
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do it. But Jade and Daniels the better player. What
do you make on the Jaden Caleb? Who do you
have ranked higher?
Speaker 4 (16:39):
I have Caleb by point one. Like it's literally they're
deadlocked on tape. Jade and Daniels had the better tape
this year, and it's not really the best tape of
anybody in college football. It's not really even debatable. But
when you look at Caleb Williams, there's projections that you really.
Speaker 1 (16:54):
Like a lot.
Speaker 4 (16:54):
I think what happens is I do think there is
a little lower floor of Caleb Williams for some of
the things you're talking about. Well, listen, I think you
have to be honest here, some of this is generational
because if you talk to younger scouts and younger coaches,
I think one of the things you're going to get
is you know, I mean, that's players today, and it's
you know, it's just what it is. And I think
too much is being made out of how he wants
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to look because because a lot of players are going
to be that way across the board in any sport.
So if you are more old school, it's going to
bother you a lot. But if you're one of the
younger coaches and a new school coach, I don't think
the nails are going to bother you. I don't think
the aloof attitude is going to as long as you
get good reports from players who he played with. A
lot of these guys are very honest about teammates when
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they talk to teams. So if the teammates are in
with him, Colin, if if the coaching staff is in
with him, if you're getting good reports there, and then
you play the game of poker where you're trying to
assess and read him in that short period of time,
you have like Ryan Poles and Ian Cunningham and Matty
Eberflus and the Bears have, well, then they have to
come up with an idea of balancing, you know, future
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leadership qualities versus the talent on the field. And I
think they're more than comfortable with what they have with
Caleb Williams. But I understand the concerns because for years
it would have continued to be a concern. But I
do think some of that is generational, and I do
think the more it continues to happen in this era
of football, the more teams are gonna worry about that
kind of stuff a little less.
Speaker 1 (18:19):
So let's go back to our chart on twenty years
hits or misses. So offensive linemen hit, quarterbacks, linebackers, edges,
d tackles hit half the time. Then you go to
the bottom. I think I can explain the tight end
based on my theory that college tight ends are not
asked to block elite pass rushers much, and you are
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in the NFL and many of them are just they
can't do it. They just get That's why Iowa guys
always work in the NFL is they're asked to block
at Iowa wide receiver. I've got my own theories on
this that you should draft receivers second round on It's
an ego position, a spectacular touchdown position, a flo position.
I think receivers that are dropping the draft that are
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slightly overlooked armor on Saint Brown. They come in with
a little chip and something to prove it's a spectacle.
It's the most spectacular position in the sport outside of quarterbacks.
Your touchdowns are spectacular, and in high school college you
come into the sport, throw me open. That's my theory
on it. Maybe it's a route running thing, but this
receiver number is startling that three out of four are misses.
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And every draft I ever have been involved with, we're
absolutely sure that the biggest hits they're the biggest misses.
Is there? What's your belief on this? What's happening?
Speaker 4 (19:40):
I mean, if you go back historically, you find a
lot of the wide receiver position is high weight, speed,
so a lot of it is based more on traits.
Sometimes in actual football it's they used to lean really heavily.
Just at Hunter was an example, the guy from Darius
Hayward Bay is a trades based guy, you know, And
I think that's one of the reasons is more was
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really a spend a lot more was put into high weight,
speed as opposed to some of the football elements, the
wide receiver elements of the position. I think that's one
of the reasons. But I also think another reason is
because you know, with quarterbacks being as valuable as they
are in the first round of the draft and also
another high failure rate position, what goes hand in hand
with and with a quarterback, it's left tackle typically and
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wide receiver, and now even more so over the last
seven eight years, wide receivers have taken on a bigger role.
But I think it's fascinating that the philosophy you have
is what the Green Bay Packers have had forever, and
that's don't draft a wide receiver in the first round.
And I know there are other you know, there are
other gms out there who have a similar idea. And
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when you look at this year's draft, specifically Colin and
you see Lad McConkie potentially potentially Xavier Lagette, when you
see Ricky Piersaw and Roman Wilson, I mean Javon Baker
from UCF, there's some talented wide receivers on And I
could make a point the offensive line that's a that's
a bigger hit rate. Position in a position is typically
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much more stable, is more important to draft earlier than
wide receiver because you can get starters in the second,
third round.
Speaker 1 (21:13):
Yeah yeah, Packers don't do first round wide receivers. It's whatever,
it is. It's interesting, but that the mis rate on
wide receivers, it literally is startling. Seventy five percent miss
in the first that is crazy. Lance is always NFL
dot Com co host of the Bench on ninety seven
point five in Houston. As always, my friend, can't wait,
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and thanks for your stuff.
Speaker 4 (21:36):
Have fun this draft year.
Speaker 1 (21:38):
We appreciate it, all right. Isn't that crazy? If I
would if I would have said to you, if I
would have said to you the mis rate, I would
have guessed defensive tackle misses. Because you plan the trenches,
you get hurt. I would have guessed the mis rate
was defensive tackle. No, Collin, you told me this two
days ago.
Speaker 3 (21:56):
You talk about this all the time during the NFL season.
Why do we have an edge perceived edge in gambling?
And why do we think we kind of can see
how games are gonna go because we value the trenches greatly.
Every week you look at the injury report, how's the
left tackle, how's the right tackle? How are the guards?
The center? For the Chargers Linsley misses. The last season,
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the Chargers offensive line was decimated all season. Offensive line
is everything. We don't value it because, like you said,
it's not sexy, it's.
Speaker 1 (22:23):
Not a glamorous don't miss those picks, don't miss you.
That's why you should.
Speaker 3 (22:27):
That's why I said Jets at ten should go offensive tackle.
Whoever the best one is. The tough part is Roma
Donze could be there. Do you go sexy wide receiver?
Speaker 1 (22:36):
But Aaron and Tom Brady don't like young receivers. Aaron's
not in the patient mode.
Speaker 3 (22:41):
Aaron's I'm sorry, I don't care what Aaron Rodgers likes
best for our team.
Speaker 1 (22:45):
Well, he's your quarterback for now, well for the year,
he says, you want to, I would make Aaron happy.
Speaker 3 (22:51):
We just heard it could be major radical changes.
Speaker 1 (22:53):
If things don't work out, well, I mean, you better
make Aaron happy.
Speaker 3 (22:56):
You gotta do it best for the franchise, not make
your quarterback laid on that.
Speaker 1 (23:02):
You've given the keys to Aaron. Were you gonna lock that?
You're gonna change the lock?
Speaker 3 (23:05):
Whoa, whoa, whoa. I didn't give the keys there. Woody
Johnson jumped on a plane and was like, oh.
Speaker 1 (23:11):
You can't give the keys to the franchise to a
player and then change the locks before the contracts out.
Speaker 4 (23:17):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (23:18):
I mean technically you can. Probably not good business.
Speaker 4 (23:24):
But didn't.
Speaker 3 (23:24):
I mean, we've seen this happen many times.
Speaker 1 (23:27):
I would listen. I wouldn't. I would get happy, erin
for a year, figure it out later. I'm not a fan.
Aaron doesn't love Brady, didn't love this young receivers. He's
already got one in Garrett Wilson. That's enough. Go get Alanizard,
Mike Williams their finite receiver, get get older.
Speaker 3 (23:46):
Well they're good, okay. Garrett Wilson goes down. And then
it is Mike Williams who's hurt every year. He was hurt.
He was hurt last year.
Speaker 1 (23:53):
When you're starting to sound like me.
Speaker 3 (23:55):
So you you, I mean, listen, I think philosophy is
number one overall above the quarter. What are we going
to be as a football team? Right? And I don't
think the Jets know what they are. They're like, oh,
we're an Aaron Rodgers team.
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I love that the Green Bay Packers share my philosophy
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We both at some point were dockers, probably more than
we should have. Simple life, not flashy, all right. Jay
mckett's time on the eve of the Draft for the
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Colin Fidence Meter. You give me the player in my
confidence high Medium, low that they'll be successful, get that
second contract in the NFL.
Speaker 3 (25:28):
Right, Okay, let's get started. How confident are you Caleb
Williams would succeed in the NFL?
Speaker 1 (25:34):
Very confident, and the reason being I think Chicago's GM
Ryan Poles has done an excellent job. Keenan Allen DJ Moore,
a lot of draft capital on the O line, DeAndre Swift,
cole Comet, Gerald Everett. This GM, who was a former
offensive lineman, has built a really top ten offensive group.
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That's a good group. Yeah, DeAndre Swift and Allen, DJ Moore,
Gerald Everett, cole Comet, those are good players.
Speaker 3 (26:06):
How confident are you Jayden Daniels will succeed in the NFL?
Speaker 1 (26:09):
Very And the reason being is I think he'll run
his way to success early as he develops into an
NFL pocket quarterback. He ate up the SEC last year
like Joe Burrow had an unbelievable last year at LSU.
You know he's a little thin, but I think he
throws a beautiful ball downfield. Every time we show video,
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he throws a great deep ball. I like bow Knicks.
Bow Knicks doesn't throw a great deep ball. This kid
throws it deep.
Speaker 3 (26:35):
Carving of Kentucky and Missouri and his mighty sec defenses.
How confident you Drake may will succeed.
Speaker 1 (26:41):
In the NFL? Somewhat confident. I do think he needs
an offensive coach. I think he's unrefined. I think he's inconsistent.
But I will tell you this. On third and fourth
down twenty sixty, D's one pick. So on the big
plays in his career, those focus plays, third and fourth
down twenty six t D's one pick, he was a
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good crucial play quarterback. That matters. How confident are you?
Speaker 3 (27:09):
Jj McCarthy will succeed in the NFL?
Speaker 1 (27:11):
Not confident all about where he lands. Minnesota he'll succeed.
Slender frame, average arm never asked to carry a team,
missus too many laps. I don't see it. But again,
if he goes to Minnesota, it'll work. If he went
to Sean Payton, it would work. But when I say work,
not elite. It would just win some games.
Speaker 3 (27:30):
Average arm come on sixty one miles an hour. I think.
Speaker 1 (27:33):
How confident are you? Bo Nicks will succeed the enough
Somewhat confident. He does not throw a deep ball of notes,
so he's not going to be a star quarterback played
in a very college quarterback friendly scheme. I think there's
some Drew Brees here, and Drew Brees got the right coach.
He was a star. He gets the ball out quick,
super accurate, mature, twenty four. But again, you're not getting
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a lot of deep ball stuff. You're not going You're
not gonna get a lot of improvisation. We're not looking
at somebody who's light the league up. But I think
he can be a franchise quarterback with a right offensive
coach like Sean Payton. All right, how company you?
Speaker 3 (28:05):
Michael Pennick, Junior will succeed.
Speaker 1 (28:07):
Is somewhat confident. What I like is I think he's
gonna fall in land with a good coach or a
good team. He's not gonna go to a mess of
a team. He'll go to a Miami, he can go
to a Seattle. That's the advantage of going like fifteenth, sixteenth, seventeenth, eighteenth.
You're gonna go to a better team and a better
coach usually, So that makes me confident.
Speaker 3 (28:24):
How confident are you, Marvin Harrison, Junior will succeed in
the NFL the most confident you could be.
Speaker 1 (28:30):
There's no miss He's the only new No Miss in
the draft as good as Ohio State receivers are, and
they have the best receivers in the country at Ohio State,
he was a notch above all of them. And that's
saying something because they have great receivers. Brian Hartline is
the best recruiter in the country at receiver. All they
gets five star guys. Yeah, and he was better, notably
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better than all of them. I think he's there's some
Calvin Johnson. He's not as dynamic as Randy Moss, but
the dude, he's just gonna be an eighty catch five
touchdown guy real quick.
Speaker 3 (29:03):
How confident are you Malik Neighbors will succeed.
Speaker 1 (29:05):
In the NFL? Confident, but he's got a slender frame.
He's not as physical as Harrison, so I always worried, like,
OHBJ would he get banged up? Super dynamic, wild, spectacular speed, elusiveness,
very good after the catch, but he's not terribly big.
Speaker 3 (29:23):
How about Romadunze, How confident are you? You will succeed?
Speaker 1 (29:26):
Again? I think it matters where he falls. Somewhat confident,
not a burner. He's a mature adult that will come
in and be productive you don't have to worry about
him being squirrely, not a super elusive, dynamic guy, not
gonna run past people, runs his routes good route tree,
h does you know? I just I think you're you're
You're dealing with an adult. This kid's gonna walk into
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the league and be productive, but he's not gonna take
the top off secondaries. How confident are you?
Speaker 3 (29:51):
Brian Thomas Junior of LSU will succeed in the NFL somewhat.
Speaker 1 (29:55):
He doesn't have much of a route tree, and he's
just a great athlete. He's typical LSU. It's crazy talent,
So you're not gonna give you seven routes. He's gonna
go deep. He's gonna beat people over the top. He's
kind of the opposite of Romadunze, where I'm not sure
I'm gonna get more than two routes, but the route
he's gonna beat people over the top. He's a touchdown maker.
He's a guy that's gonna end up in the end
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zone a lot. If he gets the right quarterback, he's
gonna put out really good numbers. How confident you.
Speaker 3 (30:20):
Zaan, You're worthy of Texas will succeed.
Speaker 1 (30:23):
Don't feel good about him. Track guy small, one hundred
and sixty five pounds.
Speaker 3 (30:27):
Track guy. I don't like track guys. I'm not a
track guy. Will rent that day created a sport for you.
Speaker 1 (30:32):
It's called track.
Speaker 3 (30:33):
And we'll wrap up with confidence level in rock Bowers
succeeding good.
Speaker 1 (30:39):
He may drop listen. He's he's versatile, he's done the
tight end thing in line, spread him out wide, and
he was great out of high school, Napa to Georgia great.
So a lot of people think he's a little undersized,
he's not real thick. Is he gonna be able to block?
I just think he's gonna be a very productive quarterback.
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I do think he's going to be the guy that
falls a little bit in the draft.
Speaker 3 (31:04):
I just looked at his over under. I saw twelve
and a half at one shot.
Speaker 1 (31:07):
I think he's gonna fall to about thirteen or fourteen.
Speaker 3 (31:10):
The Colts really huge. That's been my moth, most of
them Colts getting Bowers. I don't know, we'll see uh.
I like Bout, I thought he was gonna be top
ten for sure during his comments because he was so good.
Speaker 1 (31:22):
Then he got hurt. To get hurt, he came back
wasn't quite the same.
Speaker 3 (31:26):
Reality sets in here, like tight ends this high. And
the Jets GM came out and said, oh, look at
the final fourteens in the playoffs. All of them had
a superstar tight end or budding superstar. And I was like, yeah,
how many of those went in the first round? Joe,
you have turned on the Jets GM. He missed on
a quarterback and I left tackle not great? Everything else
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is he hit on a lot of stuff pretty damn good.
Speaker 1 (31:48):
Yeah, he's good.
Speaker 6 (31:49):
Good.
Speaker 1 (31:49):
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All right, Jmac, it's time, without further ado, for the news.
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Speaker 3 (00:53):
More NFL Draft fodder. There's so many fun nuggets out there,
so the draft obviously is tomorrow. The people wondering a
Giant's gonna get a quarterback with their first round pick
the latest. According to a guest of this show, Diana Rossini,
Giants ownership is reluctant to trade up from the sixth
pick for a QB. After paying Daniel Jones last offseason.
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He got the four year, one hundred and sixty million
dollars deal. Probably not that expensive to go up from
like six to four, six to three. So Daniel Jones
will be their guy this season.
Speaker 1 (01:31):
Patriots, Panthers, Giants stink right now. The only three teams
in the league that to me are just stink.
Speaker 3 (01:39):
So Dable's a good enough coach. He can survive like
a five win seas.
Speaker 1 (01:42):
Dable is an excellent coach, and he's a little hot
for some people, but he's a good coach.
Speaker 3 (01:46):
And even if he gets canned, he can point to
the ownership and say, Dabe wanted to pay Daniel Dable.
Speaker 1 (01:51):
Will absolutely get a second head coaching job. He got
Daniel Jones to the playoffs. He'll be fine. Yeah, I
had the Chargers should have hired him. I remember when
the Chargers came down to day Ball and Brandon Staley,
and I asked at that point the then general manager,
why didn't you hire Dabel? He's great with young quarterbacks,
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And I was not given the answer that was satisfactory
to me.
Speaker 3 (02:15):
You want to reveal the answer, No, okay, I'm very
curious what it is next up. Pittsburgh Steelers busy offseason
at quarterback. They added Russell Wilson and Justin Fields, which
seems like kind of a good thing. Pittsburgh has said
Russ is going to be the starter. Fields will back up.
Speaker 1 (02:32):
Yeah, I know this to be true. Russ has been
given some guarantees here. I know that to be true.
This idea that it's a quarterback competition's nonsense. Russ is
starting and Russ is gonna get the year.
Speaker 3 (02:43):
I think the phrase was he as the inside track
or something along those lines. However, Adam Schefter says the
Steelers are not expected to pick up Field's fifth year option.
I find it bizarre that they would say this to Schefter. Now,
I mean, we don't know what's going to happen during
the season. Might beat him, Yeah, yeah, we do, Yeah,
we do. Russe will be better than Justin Trustell gets hurt,
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Field starts, they make the playoff.
Speaker 1 (03:05):
Russell Rush never gets hurt. When's Rusbin hurt? Once he's
hurt a finger on. Russ doesn't get hurt. He plays
every week. Also interesting this is this idea Russell Wilson
knows how to play quarterback. You may think he's not
what he was, but he knows how to play the
position justin fields as closer to Zach Wilson. We just
don't think he's an NFL quarterback. So this idea that,
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like he just needs a change of environment. Tomlin's a
defensive coach. They haven't been able to get offensive coordinator
or the run game right. So I mean, I this
idea that justin field, he just needs a new start.
Why aren't you saying that for Zack Wilson because the
numbers look this same.
Speaker 3 (03:41):
Well, it's weird how defensive you are for Russ when
two coaches let's see.
Speaker 1 (03:46):
Here, yeah defense ca he Carrol's going to the Hall
of Fame.
Speaker 3 (03:49):
Well, Sean Payton probably going to the Hall of Fame,
and both of them moved off Russell.
Speaker 1 (03:53):
You're you're saying, I'm you'd think I'm pro Russ. No,
I mean you Russe in his camp have turned on
me because they think anti Russ. Where I've said before,
there is something with Russ that I didn't see that.
I mean, when you have multiple coaches and players calling
him out publicly, there is something in the room I'm
not seeing. I mean, I know he can be kind
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of people think it's a little you know, relentlessly optimistic,
a little cringei or whatever it is. I'm not I
don't know that. He's always been nice to me, so
do I but it's I'm not anti or pro. I
thought for years and years he was getting other guys drafted.
He was uniquely elusive, like Kyler Murray, although I think
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Kyler Toe's a prettier ball. But it's I'm not pro Russ.
But this idea that justin fields it's gonna be a
They're gonna go into camp and it's go either way.
Speaker 3 (04:44):
Well, I mean, listen, if Russ throws two picks in
the opener, do you know that they're gonna be the
clamory game? When is it justin fields?
Speaker 1 (04:51):
Well, who's gonna say that? You mean Mike tom was
gonna pull him by Mike.
Speaker 3 (04:54):
Towns in the final year of his deal. That's another
underlying thing here, like what's he gonna do? Does he
You never want to say that, but like he's in the.
Speaker 2 (05:03):
Final Yevers deal.
Speaker 3 (05:04):
There was chatter that he would go to TV.
Speaker 1 (05:06):
Remember this, No, I mean, I've talked to two network
presidents and Tomlin is viewed as the safest home run
analyst in the league that you bring Mike Tomlin on
He's great on TV. Two network presidents have told me
that that that's the guy that you hire, and Mike
Tomlin would be unbelievable. I've told you there's very few
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people I've never interviewed. Tomlin's one I'd like to. He's
one of the only ones left. Phil Mickelson and him.
That's it, Michkelson, I've never interviewed Michelson and UH and
Mike Tomlin live. You did think that you've interviewed Lebron. Oh,
I just I've talked to Lebron. Steph Curry, Yeah, I've
interviewed him before.
Speaker 3 (05:47):
I was in on Steph just right out of David
since some of us happened that I radar right.
Speaker 1 (05:54):
Final story is.
Speaker 3 (05:54):
The NBA, and maybe the NBA needs to stop doing
this whole two minute report being released because they released
it for the Nick Sixers Game two and the NBA
ruled that Tyrese Maxie was fouled multiple times during the
defining sequence of that game. They found that Nick Nurse
had actually called for a timeout. There's some question on
the on the review if he actually signaled for it,
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but this is what the league is saying. Brunston grab
Maxie's jersey. Josh hartbumb Maxie and.
Speaker 1 (06:23):
Yeah, by the way, I've seen that replay. I don't
think it's a foul. I think that's not. First of all,
why are you I don't like this idea of going
back and saying I agree. I don't like it. Secondly,
I watched that play from the side. I watched it
from like twelve angles. I don't think it's a foul.
Speaker 3 (06:38):
It's like the NFL are they gonna go back and
say this was a holding, we missed this holding call.
They don't do that.
Speaker 2 (06:43):
Well.
Speaker 1 (06:45):
I don't think this idea that Matt Jalen Brunson puts
his hand on him. That's that's marginal contact, which is
a new term in the league. I've watched that piece
of video ten times, and I've watched it from the
court side view, which is on the internet. I still
don't see the fouls. That's just physical NBA player. The
other thing is when you get into these scrums, you
don't call fouls in those cities. You don't call fouls
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on that stuff that is live ball players win. That's
like calling a pass interference down the sideline with ten
seconds to go in a football game, you just stay
out of the way and let those guys battle unless
there's somebody that pulls him down with a face.
Speaker 3 (07:20):
Well, there was that egregious one. Was it a Packers Chiefs?
Speaker 2 (07:24):
Do you remember that? Deep down all?
Speaker 1 (07:25):
That was it? And they didn't call it. That was
a horrible miss, right, So like it happens. I mean,
I've watched this video. I don't see the fouls. I
think it's physical playoff basketball and you just let guys
when that ball goes on the floor, I'm not calling
a foul.
Speaker 3 (07:38):
Yeah, and you can't get the guy that time out.
He had it for less than a split second. The
ref can't say he's got it entime.
Speaker 1 (07:44):
I had Philadelphia in this series, I would like there
to have been a foul. Yeah, this works again who
against who I picked for the series. So I would
like Philadelphia to actually have a chance. But I don't
think that's.
Speaker 3 (07:55):
A f I do wonder you made a good point
earlier that we're seeing more physical play refs less. I
think stuf's great.
Speaker 1 (08:00):
I love it.
Speaker 3 (08:01):
I think the coaches and the players not everybody has
adjusted yet, Colin, and that's a problem. We'll see where
it leads. But uh, yeah, I got sixers in Game
three handling.
Speaker 1 (08:11):
That's a pretty good bet.
Speaker 3 (08:13):
I can't believe it's four and a half. Feels like
free money. But maybe stumpings up with him beat.
Speaker 1 (08:17):
Or we both like we both like Dallas yesterday first half,
I mean all three.
Speaker 3 (08:22):
First halves that I mentioned on the show.
Speaker 1 (08:23):
Yeah, No, Philadelphia over New York is the beat of
the playoffs for Thursday.
Speaker 3 (08:28):
Now here's a hold your nose, plug and play if
you can stomach it. Miami heat first quarter tonight against Boston.
Can you stomach that? No, Boss is gonna murder them,
but first quarter, maybe Miami comes out with some gimmick defense.
Speaker 1 (08:40):
No, I know, spoils. No, that's not a bad bet.
Speaker 3 (08:43):
It's not for the faint of heart, because Boston could
hit five threes in.
Speaker 1 (08:46):
Well, gambling's not for the faint of heart, also true.
So just don't do it. It's like cocktails. You have one,
you'll probably have two. Faint of heart, don't do it.
J Macklin the news.
Speaker 2 (08:56):
Well that's the news, and thanks for stopping by the
line news.
Speaker 1 (09:01):
Look at this, so this is interesting. His name, he's
a he's a content producer, at the other place, Paul
Himbow and he went twenty years back on first round
picks hit or miss based on whether they sign a
second contract. So what's interesting. So centers only miss in
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the first round eight percent of the time, tackles guards
fifty percent or more. So, offensive linemen just do not
miss much in the first round, and then linebacker, quarterback, edge,
and defensive tackle. You get very close to fifty percent.
Hit rate. Wide receiver is brutal. Three out of four misses.
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Now I can explain tight end. Tight end has the
second worst percentage of missing. And my theory is why
does Iowa have so many NFL tight ends Because Iowa
forces their tight ends to block, and a lot of
college tight ends don't block, and then they get to
the NFL and they never become good blockers. I'll give
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you an example. Dalton kid Kane went to Buffalo, so
Utah is a very physical college football team. They force
their tight ends to block. So anytime you draft an
Iowa tight end, they block. Harbaugh makes his tight ends
at Michigan block. Kyle Winningham at Utah, his tight ends block,
so the hit rate goes up. Tight Ends really struggle
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in this league. First round. Tight ends very dubious history,
but a lot of it is they just don't block
at the college level, and so they come smaller conferences,
they don't face NFL guys. They get to the NFL,
they just can't. They're just useless. They're just running around
making catches. But they're not physical players. George Kittle Iowa. TJ. Hawkinson, Iowa.
Iowa guys draft Iowa tight ends because that program makes
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them get into the weight room, basically an extension. They
may not be the most gifted physically, they're the extension
of the tackle. Iowa O lineman and tight ends draft them.
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Speaker 1 (11:17):
Lance Zerline is joining us NFL Draft analyst NFL dot Com.
Been doing this for twenty one years. So usually you
get to a draft. Somebody told me this years ago,
and there's about one player a draft. It was Bjean Robinson,
the running back from Texas. I think it was last year.
Where you get what you call a clean player. There's
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literally nothing you worry about. I had talked to a
GM he's like, he didn't fomble. He's a good kid.
He runs, he blocked. You're not going to draft him
number one. But Patrick Willis came out of Old miss
and I remember somebody saying that's a clean player. He's
gonna work wherever he goes. Is there a player that
you look at it in this draft lance and you
just regardless of where he lands, it's just gonna work.
Speaker 4 (12:03):
You're gonna love this because it's gonna tie into what
you just talked about. And I'd say it's Graham Barton,
who's gonna be a center or a guard coming out
of Duke who I expect to go sometime around nineteen
twenty twenty one. He's as clean as you're gonna find.
I mean, he's got good size for an interior lineman,
has tackle experience, and some teams are gonna potentially take
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a look at experimenting with keeping him out of tackle
despite having sub thirty three inch arms, which are short
for the position. But what you have as a guy
who has, you know, acc pass protection experience at the tackle,
you move him inside the guard. He has terrific technique,
great hand placement, unlocks his hips, knees, ankles is very
loose in his lower body, can create good leverage. I
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think he's consistent with his His body control and core
strength makes him a very consistent point of attack blocker.
I think when it comes to cleanest prospect in the draft,
we're probably talking about an interior line alignment, which happens
to be the position that you just got done talking
about is one of the best hit rate positions.
Speaker 1 (13:07):
So Jaden Daniels is interesting. I talked to somebody who
is very much in your space and he sent me
his breakdowns on the quarterbacks last night. Strengths, weaknesses. The
JJ McCarthy thing was not pretty. Not a fan of him,
and one of the things he said is it was
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not an NFL experience. When he has a clean pocket,
a good run game time can sett can throw. It's nice,
but missus easy stuff, not a big arm. There's a
Mitched Trubisky feel where he's athletic, but things have to
be perfect the site lines for him to throw. He
just was not a fan of McCarthy. He thinks he
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needs the right fit. Like Minnesota. It works a lot
of other places. It doesn't do you view McCarthy as
a flawed player. Where his college experiences is nothing close
to what the NFL is asking.
Speaker 5 (14:05):
Well, I think it's tough because it used to be
what the NFL is asking, and I think it still
can be in terms of Look, if you have a
great run team, if you have a great offensive line
or a good offensive line in front of you, and
you have a defense.
Speaker 4 (14:18):
That keeps you ahead of the sticks at all times
in terms of the scoreboard, yeah, I mean, obviously that's
ideal for any quarterback. I think what we're looking at
here is what offenses does JJ McCarthy fit in, And
I think he does fit in the team you mentioned
Minnesota with that play action boot action stuff that Kevin
O'Connell runs, obviously the same thing you know, we've seen
from Green Bay, and we see from Shanahan and his dad,
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Mike Shanahan, Gary Kubiak, who was in Houston when I
was there. So I think the problem we have is
I think the scouter report you had on him is
it's a tough scouting report considering the fact that he
hasn't been asked to do some of those things. I
think it's the mistake you make is assuming you can't
do it just because you haven't been asked to do it.
It's a guy who's got to see a record dating
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all the way back to being fifty fifteen years old
in high school. I mean, all he does is win. Now,
people don't like hearing that, but NFL teams really believe
that there are certain quarterbacks that have winning characteristics and leadership,
and I think some of the things you have to
look for in him are intangibles, perfectly perfect transparency here.
I have a really a late borderline first round, a
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second round great on him. But a lot of that
is simply because I can't see it yet, because they
haven't asked him to do it yet. But I'm not
going to make the mistake of saying he can't do it.
I do think Colin he's a game manager, and we
have to see if you ask more of him, and
you bring him along and allow him to keep growing
as a player and giving him more experience, can he
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become a playmaker instead of a snap tape.
Speaker 1 (15:47):
So it's interesting. I saw another story today with another
scout that was concerned about Caleb Williams, and it doesn't
mean much to me. I've seen a dozen kids, one
hundred kids cry in march madness when they lose. So
if a quarterback runs into the stands after he loses,
it's not the locker room, it's the stands and goes
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into his mother's arms. I've seen these college athletes, they're kids.
They cry, it's emotional. But I read this article and
the nails and that stuff, and it's not the first
time I have heard it. I don't know you talk
to these scouts and executives. I've talked to two people
now that said the Bears don't have the guts to
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do it. But Jade and Daniels the better player. What
do you make on the Jaden Caleb? Who do you
have ranked higher?
Speaker 4 (16:39):
I have Caleb by point one. Like it's literally they're
deadlocked on tape. Jade and Daniels had the better tape
this year, and it's not really the best tape of
anybody in college football. It's not really even debatable. But
when you look at Caleb Williams, there's projections that you really.
Speaker 1 (16:54):
Like a lot.
Speaker 4 (16:54):
I think what happens is I do think there is
a little lower floor of Caleb Williams for some of
the things you're talking about. Well, listen, I think you
have to be honest here, some of this is generational
because if you talk to younger scouts and younger coaches,
I think one of the things you're going to get
is you know, I mean, that's players today, and it's
you know, it's just what it is. And I think
too much is being made out of how he wants
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to look because because a lot of players are going
to be that way across the board in any sport.
So if you are more old school, it's going to
bother you a lot. But if you're one of the
younger coaches and a new school coach, I don't think
the nails are going to bother you. I don't think
the aloof attitude is going to as long as you
get good reports from players who he played with. A
lot of these guys are very honest about teammates when
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they talk to teams. So if the teammates are in
with him, Colin, if if the coaching staff is in
with him, if you're getting good reports there, and then
you play the game of poker where you're trying to
assess and read him in that short period of time,
you have like Ryan Poles and Ian Cunningham and Matty
Eberflus and the Bears have, well, then they have to
come up with an idea of balancing, you know, future
(17:58):
leadership qualities versus the talent on the field. And I
think they're more than comfortable with what they have with
Caleb Williams. But I understand the concerns because for years
it would have continued to be a concern. But I
do think some of that is generational, and I do
think the more it continues to happen in this era
of football, the more teams are gonna worry about that
kind of stuff a little less.
Speaker 1 (18:19):
So let's go back to our chart on twenty years
hits or misses. So offensive linemen hit, quarterbacks, linebackers, edges,
d tackles hit half the time. Then you go to
the bottom. I think I can explain the tight end
based on my theory that college tight ends are not
asked to block elite pass rushers much, and you are
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in the NFL and many of them are just they
can't do it. They just get That's why Iowa guys
always work in the NFL is they're asked to block
at Iowa wide receiver. I've got my own theories on
this that you should draft receivers second round on It's
an ego position, a spectacular touchdown position, a flo position.
I think receivers that are dropping the draft that are
(19:04):
slightly overlooked armor on Saint Brown. They come in with
a little chip and something to prove it's a spectacle.
It's the most spectacular position in the sport outside of quarterbacks.
Your touchdowns are spectacular, and in high school college you
come into the sport, throw me open. That's my theory
on it. Maybe it's a route running thing, but this
receiver number is startling that three out of four are misses.
(19:30):
And every draft I ever have been involved with, we're
absolutely sure that the biggest hits they're the biggest misses.
Is there? What's your belief on this? What's happening?
Speaker 4 (19:40):
I mean, if you go back historically, you find a
lot of the wide receiver position is high weight, speed,
so a lot of it is based more on traits.
Sometimes in actual football it's they used to lean really heavily.
Just at Hunter was an example, the guy from Darius
Hayward Bay is a trades based guy, you know, And
I think that's one of the reasons is more was
(20:01):
really a spend a lot more was put into high weight,
speed as opposed to some of the football elements, the
wide receiver elements of the position. I think that's one
of the reasons. But I also think another reason is
because you know, with quarterbacks being as valuable as they
are in the first round of the draft and also
another high failure rate position, what goes hand in hand
with and with a quarterback, it's left tackle typically and
(20:24):
wide receiver, and now even more so over the last
seven eight years, wide receivers have taken on a bigger role.
But I think it's fascinating that the philosophy you have
is what the Green Bay Packers have had forever, and
that's don't draft a wide receiver in the first round.
And I know there are other you know, there are
other gms out there who have a similar idea. And
(20:45):
when you look at this year's draft, specifically Colin and
you see Lad McConkie potentially potentially Xavier Lagette, when you
see Ricky Piersaw and Roman Wilson, I mean Javon Baker
from UCF, there's some talented wide receivers on And I
could make a point the offensive line that's a that's
a bigger hit rate. Position in a position is typically
(21:06):
much more stable, is more important to draft earlier than
wide receiver because you can get starters in the second,
third round.
Speaker 1 (21:13):
Yeah yeah, Packers don't do first round wide receivers. It's whatever,
it is. It's interesting, but that the mis rate on
wide receivers, it literally is startling. Seventy five percent miss
in the first that is crazy. Lance is always NFL
dot Com co host of the Bench on ninety seven
point five in Houston. As always, my friend, can't wait,
(21:34):
and thanks for your stuff.
Speaker 4 (21:36):
Have fun this draft year.
Speaker 1 (21:38):
We appreciate it, all right. Isn't that crazy? If I
would if I would have said to you, if I
would have said to you the mis rate, I would
have guessed defensive tackle misses. Because you plan the trenches,
you get hurt. I would have guessed the mis rate
was defensive tackle. No, Collin, you told me this two
days ago.
Speaker 3 (21:56):
You talk about this all the time during the NFL season.
Why do we have an edge perceived edge in gambling?
And why do we think we kind of can see
how games are gonna go because we value the trenches greatly.
Every week you look at the injury report, how's the
left tackle, how's the right tackle? How are the guards?
The center? For the Chargers Linsley misses. The last season,
(22:17):
the Chargers offensive line was decimated all season. Offensive line
is everything. We don't value it because, like you said,
it's not sexy, it's.
Speaker 1 (22:23):
Not a glamorous don't miss those picks, don't miss you.
That's why you should.
Speaker 3 (22:27):
That's why I said Jets at ten should go offensive tackle.
Whoever the best one is. The tough part is Roma
Donze could be there. Do you go sexy wide receiver?
Speaker 1 (22:36):
But Aaron and Tom Brady don't like young receivers. Aaron's
not in the patient mode.
Speaker 3 (22:41):
Aaron's I'm sorry, I don't care what Aaron Rodgers likes
best for our team.
Speaker 1 (22:45):
Well, he's your quarterback for now, well for the year,
he says, you want to, I would make Aaron happy.
Speaker 3 (22:51):
We just heard it could be major radical changes.
Speaker 1 (22:53):
If things don't work out, well, I mean, you better
make Aaron happy.
Speaker 3 (22:56):
You gotta do it best for the franchise, not make
your quarterback laid on that.
Speaker 1 (23:02):
You've given the keys to Aaron. Were you gonna lock that?
You're gonna change the lock?
Speaker 3 (23:05):
Whoa, whoa, whoa. I didn't give the keys there. Woody
Johnson jumped on a plane and was like, oh.
Speaker 1 (23:11):
You can't give the keys to the franchise to a
player and then change the locks before the contracts out.
Speaker 4 (23:17):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (23:18):
I mean technically you can. Probably not good business.
Speaker 4 (23:24):
But didn't.
Speaker 3 (23:24):
I mean, we've seen this happen many times.
Speaker 1 (23:27):
I would listen. I wouldn't. I would get happy, erin
for a year, figure it out later. I'm not a fan.
Aaron doesn't love Brady, didn't love this young receivers. He's
already got one in Garrett Wilson. That's enough. Go get Alanizard,
Mike Williams their finite receiver, get get older.
Speaker 3 (23:46):
Well they're good, okay. Garrett Wilson goes down. And then
it is Mike Williams who's hurt every year. He was hurt.
He was hurt last year.
Speaker 1 (23:53):
When you're starting to sound like me.
Speaker 3 (23:55):
So you you, I mean, listen, I think philosophy is
number one overall above the quarter. What are we going
to be as a football team? Right? And I don't
think the Jets know what they are. They're like, oh,
we're an Aaron Rodgers team.
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Speaker 1 (24:57):
I love that the Green Bay Packers share my philosophy
try not to draft receivers in the first round. I
like that Packers and I have a lot in common.
We both at some point were dockers, probably more than
we should have. Simple life, not flashy, all right. Jay
mckett's time on the eve of the Draft for the
(25:18):
Colin Fidence Meter. You give me the player in my
confidence high Medium, low that they'll be successful, get that
second contract in the NFL.
Speaker 3 (25:28):
Right, Okay, let's get started. How confident are you Caleb
Williams would succeed in the NFL?
Speaker 1 (25:34):
Very confident, and the reason being I think Chicago's GM
Ryan Poles has done an excellent job. Keenan Allen DJ Moore,
a lot of draft capital on the O line, DeAndre Swift,
cole Comet, Gerald Everett. This GM, who was a former
offensive lineman, has built a really top ten offensive group.
(25:57):
That's a good group. Yeah, DeAndre Swift and Allen, DJ Moore,
Gerald Everett, cole Comet, those are good players.
Speaker 3 (26:06):
How confident are you Jayden Daniels will succeed in the NFL?
Speaker 1 (26:09):
Very And the reason being is I think he'll run
his way to success early as he develops into an
NFL pocket quarterback. He ate up the SEC last year
like Joe Burrow had an unbelievable last year at LSU.
You know he's a little thin, but I think he
throws a beautiful ball downfield. Every time we show video,
(26:30):
he throws a great deep ball. I like bow Knicks.
Bow Knicks doesn't throw a great deep ball. This kid
throws it deep.
Speaker 3 (26:35):
Carving of Kentucky and Missouri and his mighty sec defenses.
How confident you Drake may will succeed.
Speaker 1 (26:41):
In the NFL? Somewhat confident. I do think he needs
an offensive coach. I think he's unrefined. I think he's inconsistent.
But I will tell you this. On third and fourth
down twenty sixty, D's one pick. So on the big
plays in his career, those focus plays, third and fourth
down twenty six t D's one pick, he was a
(27:03):
good crucial play quarterback. That matters. How confident are you?
Speaker 3 (27:09):
Jj McCarthy will succeed in the NFL?
Speaker 1 (27:11):
Not confident all about where he lands. Minnesota he'll succeed.
Slender frame, average arm never asked to carry a team,
missus too many laps. I don't see it. But again,
if he goes to Minnesota, it'll work. If he went
to Sean Payton, it would work. But when I say work,
not elite. It would just win some games.
Speaker 3 (27:30):
Average arm come on sixty one miles an hour. I think.
Speaker 1 (27:33):
How confident are you? Bo Nicks will succeed the enough
Somewhat confident. He does not throw a deep ball of notes,
so he's not going to be a star quarterback played
in a very college quarterback friendly scheme. I think there's
some Drew Brees here, and Drew Brees got the right coach.
He was a star. He gets the ball out quick,
super accurate, mature, twenty four. But again, you're not getting
(27:54):
a lot of deep ball stuff. You're not going You're
not gonna get a lot of improvisation. We're not looking
at somebody who's light the league up. But I think
he can be a franchise quarterback with a right offensive
coach like Sean Payton. All right, how company you?
Speaker 3 (28:05):
Michael Pennick, Junior will succeed.
Speaker 1 (28:07):
Is somewhat confident. What I like is I think he's
gonna fall in land with a good coach or a
good team. He's not gonna go to a mess of
a team. He'll go to a Miami, he can go
to a Seattle. That's the advantage of going like fifteenth, sixteenth, seventeenth, eighteenth.
You're gonna go to a better team and a better
coach usually, So that makes me confident.
Speaker 3 (28:24):
How confident are you, Marvin Harrison, Junior will succeed in
the NFL the most confident you could be.
Speaker 1 (28:30):
There's no miss He's the only new No Miss in
the draft as good as Ohio State receivers are, and
they have the best receivers in the country at Ohio State,
he was a notch above all of them. And that's
saying something because they have great receivers. Brian Hartline is
the best recruiter in the country at receiver. All they
gets five star guys. Yeah, and he was better, notably
(28:53):
better than all of them. I think he's there's some
Calvin Johnson. He's not as dynamic as Randy Moss, but
the dude, he's just gonna be an eighty catch five
touchdown guy real quick.
Speaker 3 (29:03):
How confident are you Malik Neighbors will succeed.
Speaker 1 (29:05):
In the NFL? Confident, but he's got a slender frame.
He's not as physical as Harrison, so I always worried, like,
OHBJ would he get banged up? Super dynamic, wild, spectacular speed, elusiveness,
very good after the catch, but he's not terribly big.
Speaker 3 (29:23):
How about Romadunze, How confident are you? You will succeed?
Speaker 1 (29:26):
Again? I think it matters where he falls. Somewhat confident,
not a burner. He's a mature adult that will come
in and be productive you don't have to worry about
him being squirrely, not a super elusive, dynamic guy, not
gonna run past people, runs his routes good route tree,
h does you know? I just I think you're you're
You're dealing with an adult. This kid's gonna walk into
(29:46):
the league and be productive, but he's not gonna take
the top off secondaries. How confident are you?
Speaker 3 (29:51):
Brian Thomas Junior of LSU will succeed in the NFL somewhat.
Speaker 1 (29:55):
He doesn't have much of a route tree, and he's
just a great athlete. He's typical LSU. It's crazy talent,
So you're not gonna give you seven routes. He's gonna
go deep. He's gonna beat people over the top. He's
kind of the opposite of Romadunze, where I'm not sure
I'm gonna get more than two routes, but the route
he's gonna beat people over the top. He's a touchdown maker.
He's a guy that's gonna end up in the end
(30:15):
zone a lot. If he gets the right quarterback, he's
gonna put out really good numbers. How confident you.
Speaker 3 (30:20):
Zaan, You're worthy of Texas will succeed.
Speaker 1 (30:23):
Don't feel good about him. Track guy small, one hundred
and sixty five pounds.
Speaker 3 (30:27):
Track guy. I don't like track guys. I'm not a
track guy. Will rent that day created a sport for you.
Speaker 1 (30:32):
It's called track.
Speaker 3 (30:33):
And we'll wrap up with confidence level in rock Bowers
succeeding good.
Speaker 1 (30:39):
He may drop listen. He's he's versatile, he's done the
tight end thing in line, spread him out wide, and
he was great out of high school, Napa to Georgia great.
So a lot of people think he's a little undersized,
he's not real thick. Is he gonna be able to block?
I just think he's gonna be a very productive quarterback.
(31:00):
I do think he's going to be the guy that
falls a little bit in the draft.
Speaker 3 (31:04):
I just looked at his over under. I saw twelve
and a half at one shot.
Speaker 1 (31:07):
I think he's gonna fall to about thirteen or fourteen.
Speaker 3 (31:10):
The Colts really huge. That's been my moth, most of
them Colts getting Bowers. I don't know, we'll see uh.
I like Bout, I thought he was gonna be top
ten for sure during his comments because he was so good.
Speaker 1 (31:22):
Then he got hurt. To get hurt, he came back
wasn't quite the same.
Speaker 3 (31:26):
Reality sets in here, like tight ends this high. And
the Jets GM came out and said, oh, look at
the final fourteens in the playoffs. All of them had
a superstar tight end or budding superstar. And I was like, yeah,
how many of those went in the first round? Joe,
you have turned on the Jets GM. He missed on
a quarterback and I left tackle not great? Everything else
(31:47):
is he hit on a lot of stuff pretty damn good.
Speaker 1 (31:48):
Yeah, he's good.
Speaker 6 (31:49):
Good.
Speaker 1 (31:49):
I had turned on him. I just you know what
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