April 24, 2024 • 41 mins
Colin officially names the top NFL prospect everybody seems to love that he has serious doubts about
He believes NFL teams are still undervaluing quarterbacks
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Speaker 1 (00:26):
All right, here we go Draft e tomorrow. At this
time as Draft Day, We've got a lot to talk
about live in LA. It's the Herd. Wherever you may
be and however you may be listening. Thanks for making
us part of your day, jamac It's a very exciting
time on the phone working sources. Last night, several mock
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drafts I won't present to America. I presented to myself.
I am dizzy with draft fever. I have to go
home and hydrate draft fever. Wow, and your mams last night,
it's a good night for us five and one with
the picks. Who's bragging? We're bragging. We get hammered when
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we're wrong, bragg when you're right.
Speaker 3 (01:10):
Thank you.
Speaker 1 (01:11):
So I saw a story this morning. Peyton Manning says
the Broncos are very interested in JJ McCarthy the Michigan
quarterback draft again tomorrow. So I would say about every
maybe every third draft, not every draft, but about every
third draft, second draft, there is a star quarterback gonna
be a first round quarterback, and I just don't get it.
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I mean, I have my favorites ones I like, don't
necessarily like as much, but they'll be guys I don't get.
I don't I don't get it. T Bo, Johnny Manzell,
Mitch Trubisky, Daniel Jones, Zach Wilson. I just didn't get it.
That's right in all of them. Don't confuse that with
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Baker Mayfield. I said, that's a starting quarterback in the NFL.
Still think he's one of the twentiest best quarterbacks on
the planet. I thought he was a bit immature. I
didn't think he was ready to be a number one pick.
I didn't think he was that talented. I thought it
was a reach. Daniel Jones, I didn't buy at all
the Baker's got talent. He wouldn't have been a guy
I would have drafted number one, but it got talent.
Don't confuse it with that. So my quarterback this year,
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there's a star, and I don't get it is JJ
McCarthy and Michigan. I think he's Mitch Trubisky with a
better college coach. He's mobile, he's a nice kid. But
his ball dies. His ball dies. He misses easy stuff,
misses too many laps. And unless his feet are pointed
in the right direction and he is set and he's
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got time and he can look down his receiver, he's
not that accurate consistently. I just don't see it. And again,
what I just described protection, your feeer set, you've got
everything ready to deliver, you've got space. That's Michigan. That's
not the NFL. In Michigan, you had perfect protection. The
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kid got sacked like almost never. I think he got
sacked like in thirteen fourteen games. He got sacked like
seventeen times once a game. He played with the lead.
He had a run game. That is not the NFL.
What are you when stuff implodes, when you have to
throw moving left, when you have to constantly avoid He
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even drew Brees who didn't have the big arm and
wasn't hyper athletic or Brady, constantly moving within the pocket,
constantly having to throw when you're uncomfortable in a muddy pocket.
That's not Michigan. McCarthy's not that big. His arm is
pretty average. The ringers Ben Solak on JJ McCarthy ringer
Bill Simmons thing. He said there are some real red
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flags on his profile. He said, I found his accuracy
to the outside really wanting, especially to the left. His
velocity starts the tail off. It's very trubisky, That's what
I see. It's very trubisky, which is worrisome, and his
mechanics start to crumble as well. The red flags don't
preclude JJ from NFL success, they make him seem a
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little scheme specific. And I've said this, I think he
works in Minnesota with Kevin O'Connell, Aaron Jones, Justin Jefferson,
Jordan Addison, TJ Hawkinson and a great left tackle. I
think he can work in Michigan. But I don't think
he's the top five guy ever. And I see a
lot of trubisky. He is my I don't see it quarterback.
I'll say it right now. I like Caleb and Jaln Daniels.
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I get the traits of Drake May. I think bo
Nicks works if he gets Sean Payton. I think Pennix
can work if he gets Mike McDaniel, or maybe that
Seattle situation where this college OC is now the Seahawks OC,
but the JJ one boy, it's got to land perfect
to work, in my opinion. Jordan Palmer, who does this
for a living, He's worked with Mahomes and Allen and Burrow.
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His thoughts on JJ McCarthy as a prospect.
Speaker 3 (04:51):
Before each game at Michigan, when you know Harvos's hitting
his pads and all that stuff in pregame, there is
an understanding that they were going to run for two
hundred and fifty yards that day. Had we seen games
where they asked him to throw it forty times and
he just completed half of them and threw two picks,
then that'd be different. That never happened. And so unfortunately,
when you're drafting anybody at the top, you have to
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make assumptions because we don't have We can't see how
they were in the NFL different than a free agency.
We can literally look at how you stack up against
NFL defenses. We can't do that in the draft. That's
why it's an imperfect science.
Speaker 1 (05:24):
Yeah, I think Jordan has the same concerns I do.
I talked to an NFL scout last night, he's my
I don't quite see it. Not saying it can't work,
but it would all have to line up perfectly to
work to any degree. That's my opinion on JJ McCarthy.
So this story is kind of shocking to me. The
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Patriots have the third pick, they are willing to move it,
and the story this morning they have not received a
serious offer for the third pick. So remember the quarterback position.
It's never been Let's start our entire discussion with this,
It's never been a more quarterback important, quarterback centric league,
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quarterback crucial league now more than ever, can't build around
a run game. Quarterback has never been more important. And
if you get the right one Mahomes, Brady, they change
a franchise. If you get a really, really great one
Lamar Jackson, he's worth up to eleven points a game.
JJ Watt at his height as the best defensive player
in the league was worth less than a point. Brady
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nineteen years as a starter in New England. This is
when initially it was a run league more than a
pass league. Seventeen playoffs, Mahomes six years as a starter,
six AFC championships. There's no comparable position. I grew up
with Walter Payton and Barry Sanders, to my eyes, the
two best running backs I've ever seen in the entire league.
In twenty three total years, they made the playoffs in
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a run league less than half the time. And yet
I still think at least half the coaches in this league,
overwhelmingly the defensive coaches, don't get the value of quarterback.
They don't get it. They show no urgency, they just
don't get it. It's like water, it's free medicine. If
you have a headache, they tell you drink water after
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a race or during a race. What do they tell you?
Hydrate water? I've had doctors say first thing, they ask,
are you drinking enough water? Yet it's a society. All
we do is pound caffeine, which dehydrates us. We drink alcohol,
which dehydrates us. Literally, professional athletes during games, after games,
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what the coaches say as they get on the plane.
Hydrate water, hydrate, gatorade, water, hydrate, free medicine. Most Americans
don't drink enough. And I look at the NFL and
I think this is why a third of the coaches
get fired every league. Maybe they deserve to be fired.
The Patriots haven't received a serious offer. A third of
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this league is awful at quarterback. Half of this league
is just not good enough quarterback. And there's six great
ones on the planet. And I believe the two best
quarterbacks are Jaden Daniels and Caleb Williams. Many like Jayden
over Caleb. I saw another story today another scout said
he's deeply concerned about the personality of Caleb. I'm not
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he is. He's not the only scout. So if Jaden
isn't selected second, you could get the best quarterback in
this class, according to about a third of the scouts,
the best quarterback if Washington decided to take Drake May.
Now there's others that think Drake May has the best
traits of all of them. He's taller, he's bigger, he's
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heavier than Caleb or Jaden Daniels. So getting to the
number three, I mean, and we know this to be true,
that I mean, let's look at where the best quarterbacks
in the NFL have fell to. Who was the best
quarterback in last year's class. It wasn't the number one quarterback,
it was the second quarterback taken c J. Stroud, Lamar
Jackson was the fifth quarterback taken. Josh Allen was the
third quarterback taken. Tom Brady was like eighth. Patrick Mahomes
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was second. So that third pick by New England in
a league where quarterbacks never been more important, where the
best defensive player will be worth less than half a
point in a quarterback centric league, nobody has called him
about the third pick. And again I will double down
and triple down on this because there is great disagreement
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on Drake May and Jaden Daniels. You could be getting
the second best quarterback in this draft, and there are
a handful of scouts. If Jaden Daniels dropped to three,
you'd be getting the best. And recent history shows you
the best quarterback in the draft is not the first
one taken. Lamar was the fifth, Mahomes the second, Allen
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the third, c J. Stroud the second. I mean, I
feel bad when people lose their jobs, but there's a
reason a third or a quarter of the NFL coaches
every year lose their job. New England hasn't received a
serious call on this. Are you kidding me? It's the
only position. I mean. I have friends who have coached
in the NFL and they acknowledge. Yeah, we couldn't get
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the quarterback right. So I went to college. I just
couldn't get the quarterback right. Those are the smart guys.
Those are the guys I feel bad for. But I mean,
never forget. A third of this league right now has
a bad quarterback, and half has a quarterback that's not
good enough. It's nuts to me. It's the only position
worth over a point. And again, Lamar Jackson, if you
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go to games he's played with the Ravens and games
he's missed, it's eleven points. Vegas thought Aaron Rodgers in
his prime was worth ten ten and a half points.
The average NFL games decided by four. What are we
doing here? Somebody called New England. They want to take
the call. They want to make a move. Al Right,
g Mac, I'll get to Luca here in a second.
Speaker 4 (10:57):
Hold on, I gotta ask.
Speaker 5 (10:58):
So the Patriots depth chart at quarterback as Jacoby Brissett,
Bailey Zappi, Nathan Rourke, do the Patriots need a quarterback.
Speaker 1 (11:08):
Or or the Patriots are deciding what we need more
than anything is like eight starters, and the only way
to get him is moving down. And you can subscribe
to that theory that we're better off just getting a roster.
There's two things they have to do. Get a quarterback
and get a roster. If you get a quarterback with
a bad roster, it increases failure. If you get a
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great roster and then get a quarterback, it increases the potential,
albeit a year later, of success. So I think you
can make an argument both ways. Roster first, quarterback second.
And if New England scouts are like, we love Caleb
and we love Jaden and by three they're like, now,
they may not make that move until after the second pick.
It could be circumstantial. But we know now this is
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not the seventies, eighties, nineties, or even fifteen years ago.
There was one position you got to get right and
then nobody gets fired. Andy Reid could be looking for
another job if Mahomes doesn't land there. And he's arguably
the best coach of my lifetime. And Belichick was fired
when he lost a quarterback. We considered the best coach
of our lifetime. So you can get the coach right,
and and he was like going Philly Belichick crumbled in
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New England. You have to get one position in the
whole franchise.
Speaker 3 (12:21):
Right.
Speaker 1 (12:22):
Do you see this week who got extensions? Brett Veet,
the Chiefs, GM, Brett Veach, Andy Reid, the President. Do
you know why they all got extensions? Not because of
the owner, because of the quarterback.
Speaker 4 (12:34):
So the Vikings call the Patriots and the Patriots you
know we're good at quarterback.
Speaker 5 (12:38):
Would you like to come up and get one? Viking's like, wait,
we need a quarterback? So do you Why don't you
want Drake May or j J mcco. What do you
know that we don't know?
Speaker 4 (12:48):
Why would the Vikings trade up?
Speaker 1 (12:49):
Well, the Vikings trade up if they believe and there
are indicators that they may believe that Drake May is
going to fall to three when they believe Drake May
has the best traits in the draft, although he's not
the most refined yet. There are those that I have
talked to that believe just Jayden Daniels personality and talent
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is the best quarterback. Not many, but some, there are
more than a few. I talked to one last night
who think Drake May's got the best traits, size, movement,
arm he got the best of them, but he's just
unrefined to that, I argued, so was Josh Mahomes Jordan Love.
There's an argument to be made unrefined, but unrefined, but
great traits is the guy you want to get.
Speaker 5 (13:33):
So is it possible that the Vikings don't want to
show their hand who they like and they're waiting to
see what happens it two? Because I know you think
what Washington's taken, Daniels, the gambling odds say that we've
seen a lot of mock drafts say that, I don't know.
I wonder if the Vikings are like, we don't know
who's going to so we're not going to trade up.
Speaker 4 (13:51):
It's the guy we want go second.
Speaker 1 (13:53):
No, I think that's now. I think Minnesota, I think
that's very possible. My gut is, this is what I
think Chicago's in on. Caleb. Washington's taken. Jade and Daniels
and the Patriots don't think Drake May with their current
roster has a shot. Minnesota thinks he needs a year
of development. So I think Minnesota likes Drake May and
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they're just gonna wait and see who Washington takes. So
I think if Minnesota makes a move, that could be
the team that moves. But the truth is, nobody's gotten
they haven't taken a serious call yet. A third of
this league is a garbage quarterback.
Speaker 4 (14:30):
I think it's because Washington's such a mystery at too.
We've just and the league is doing a great job
this year of not telling people who's going second Colin.
Let's be real. Nobody knows what Washington's doing it too.
They have not had any leaks at all.
Speaker 1 (14:43):
No, there's no leaks, but people inside the league know
what Washington's doing.
Speaker 2 (14:48):
I like that.
Speaker 4 (14:49):
I'm on Drake and you're on Jayden.
Speaker 1 (14:50):
Well, I just I if I know what Washington's doing,
and I believe I've been told I'm not alone. I
do not believe me. Thirty five hundred miles from Washington
has sources that nobody else has.
Speaker 4 (15:02):
Did they tell you that for a reason? Your your sources.
Let's get cow Hurd on the sources.
Speaker 1 (15:07):
Their names might as well be iron and clad.
Speaker 2 (15:11):
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Speaker 1 (15:20):
A lot of guys can score the basketball high school
college au g Leaguan pros to be a truly great player.
Generally in the history of the league, truly great an
all timer. You have to be elite offensively and at
least commit defensively. Tim Duncan did, Kobe did, Kareem did?
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MJ did? Tim Duncan did. They committed both sides of
the floor. Steph Curry is a willing defender, but he's
not a dynamic athlete. He's thin, can get pushed around,
but he makes the effort. Luca, so far in the
league before this year, was just an offensive player. It's
why I've often compared to to Carmelo Anthony, who never
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really committed the defense his entire career. Carmelo chose not
to be a great defender because all the skills he
had that made him a great offensive player, length, size,
quickness could have been used defensively. D Wade didn't have
the size the length of Carmelo Anthony. D Wade chose
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to be a great defensive player and a productive offensive player.
It's a choice, and for the first time in his career,
Luca has made a choice to play defense, and he's
been very good this year. Last night against the Clippers,
MAVs one tied the series up, Luca was exceptional. He
held people he guarded to twenty five percent shooting, and
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he didn't guard stiffs. He was out there guarding Paul
George and Kawhi and he held them to twenty five
percent shooting. He should be a good defender. He's big,
he's thick, he's powerful, he's long, he moves well for
a size. There's no reason he's not a very good defender.
I'm not asking him to be Ben Wallace, Tim Duncan,
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I'm not asking him to be MJ. He's not that twitchy.
But he should be a good defensive player. And offense
is about skill. Defense is about commitment and trying. And
it's why I won't give a break to James Harden, Arcamello, Anthony.
They chose, despite their athletic prowess, to not commit to
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the other side of the floor, and it's why I
don't consider them truly great, and they've never been great.
In April May and June, Jmack with a.
Speaker 2 (17:41):
News no turns. This is the herd line.
Speaker 1 (17:47):
And to further that, if you look at what's happening
in the NBA playoffs, the big term used is marginal content.
So the league is now rewarding physicality, scoring, in these playoffs.
J Mack, as you know, was down ten points a game,
and teams like the Knicks and Cleveland and Orlando and
the te Wolves are really better defensively than offensively, and
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so this this playoff is rewarding defense. They are swallowing
the whistle and Dallas and we both noted this. They've
made a commitment. Kyrie will never be a great defender again.
He didn't have a run on.
Speaker 4 (18:22):
He's been locked in these first two games.
Speaker 1 (18:24):
But last night Luca was really good and by the way,
barking at his coach like get I don't need help defense,
let me defend, and it's paid off.
Speaker 5 (18:33):
They played forty six minutes and the stats are when
he was the primary defender, the Clippers.
Speaker 4 (18:37):
Shot two for seventeen.
Speaker 1 (18:39):
No. No, and he alled his team let me defend,
So we ever locked it. No, I mean you want
to be mellow or do you want to be closer
to Lebron? You got to commit on the other side since.
Speaker 5 (18:50):
You brought up the marginal contact in the reviews, I
don't totally get what's going on, Like Lebron was right,
I don't know what's going on when they see these
reviews like that Kawhi should have and one that looked
like a foul Colin. I don't love all these reviews
and the flips, like the Clippers missed all eleven shots.
The staff just told me that Luca contested the second
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most field goal attempts contested without allowing a make in
a playoff game over the past five years.
Speaker 1 (19:17):
Luca, his entire career, had made a choice to not
do that. He has made a choice to play defense.
Carmelo didn't his entire career. Just wouldn't do it.
Speaker 5 (19:26):
Harden won't do it. Harden just waves his hands at
So that's not defense. Ola Matador action. All right, let's
get to the NFL. Some breaking news here in the
last forty five minutes. According to Ian Rappaport, Amaraz Saint
Brown and the Lions have agreed to a new deal.
Speaker 4 (19:39):
Listen, we do a lot of.
Speaker 5 (19:40):
Top five wide receiver lists. I don't know if you've
ever mentioned him in the top five. He just got
four years, one hundred and twenty mili seventy seven million
and guaranteed. The new deal makes Saint Brown the highest
paid receiver in the NFL.
Speaker 1 (19:54):
So here's what's interesting. I'm shocked by this stunt. So
I watched them in high school. His high school tape
was great. Watched them as freshman year at USC. He
was great. I watched him in the NFL. He was great,
but the coaching at USC was so poor. For his
final couple of years at USC, he plateaued. And I
remember talking to people before the draft a good friend
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of mine who's a GM, and I'm like, I think
he's a two to three great high school great USC
as a freshman great NFL shows you the value of
coaching that he's I felt at USC. I'm like, Okay,
he's just sort of this is what he is. He
has become. You talk about a grinder, routes physicality. His
dad was like a mister Olympias. That's right. Yeah, he
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was a world class weightlifter, So he grew up with nutrition, work,
ethic cut ripped athletic family. But a lot of this
because he's not a burner. He's really twitchy, but he's
not a burner. He's not gonna run past everybody.
Speaker 4 (20:48):
He's fast, but he's very good.
Speaker 5 (20:50):
But I'm going to ask you. You saw the numbers
on the screen. Is he a top five receiver in
the NFL.
Speaker 4 (20:56):
And this is not a slight.
Speaker 1 (20:57):
He's excellent, but you know what he is head down,
works hard, no ego like Tyreek Hill, I get noise.
I love Davonte, I get noise. AJ Brown, I get noise.
DK Metcalf. Do you be able saying I look at.
Speaker 4 (21:11):
This list, Ceedee lamp Grant, and I you know what I.
Speaker 1 (21:13):
Don't get Amaran Saint Brown, worker, be head down, productive, teamwork,
work ethic. I'm I'm not anti receiver, but you gotta
have the right Larry Fitzgerald head down, great teammate that position.
There's a reason there's a term diva wide receiver and
not diva center or diva guard or diva safety. He
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is the right kind of personality for that position. He's
got a tight ends mindset and a wide receiver's talent.
Speaker 4 (21:41):
And notice there was no like ooh, A'mara Saint Brown,
lyons struggling to reach it. There was nothing. There was
no chatter about this at all.
Speaker 1 (21:47):
None you like, no talk, and then it's a deal.
Speaker 6 (21:49):
Colin.
Speaker 5 (21:50):
I think you know, I think the people watch these
shows because they want our takes.
Speaker 4 (21:54):
This is this is gonna be a hot one.
Speaker 5 (21:55):
But again, you gonna have to pay Jomar Chase soon,
you have to pay more than thirty million dollars here
justin Jefferson.
Speaker 4 (22:01):
He's gonna want more than Saint Frown, c D Lamp.
Speaker 5 (22:04):
At what point are we overpaying wide receivers when you
can find them.
Speaker 1 (22:09):
If I get the production and the right personality, part
of being paid like that is not Brandon Aiyuk leaking
stuff on the internet. I will commit to any employee
I own a company. I will commit to any employee
who's highly productive. But if you start using Twitter is therapy,
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or you start being difficult, that's a different story. You
know you, but no, that's a second argument. You're talking
about paying them in the NFL. I do know their
personality now right, You're you're bringing up a second argument.
I do know after four years their personality Detroit nos
amor On Saint Brown's personality. So they're not just signing
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a productive player, they're signing a grown up. So that's
the downside to be a noisy at any position. If
you if I hear about your contract before signed, I
have questions about Okay, I'm gonna make you a corner stamp.
I'm gonna pay two guys on this roster. This quarterback
and a star receiver and maybe an edge rusher like
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Max Crosby's a great example. The guy literally lives for sacks.
He's all about team, all about winning. Here's your money.
You start going in if start using twitterist therapy, you
start scrubbing your social account, you're telling me you're not
an adult. I'm not paying you the big money.
Speaker 5 (23:27):
Remember we had a quarterback in here recently during a
commercial break talking about his time in the NFL. I
won't say the receiver, but two receivers were on the team.
Both were up for a deal, and they gave it
to one of them. And what happened they stop being productive.
Stop you remember last week we talked to him, stop
showing up and was just like checked out. He got
paid and he checked out. Yep, that's a big concern
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with a lot of these guys. I'm not saying it
to Saint Brown or any of them.
Speaker 1 (23:51):
If it's a big concern in all sports, you're not
just paying for productivity. If I am a general manager
or owner and I am going to make you a cornerstone,
top three player on the roster, Chris Jones, Kelsey Mahomes.
Then you have to be productive in the biggest games.
All three of those guys are and you have to
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have the right mindset. Kelsey will play hurt. Chris Jones
better in the biggest games. Mahomes is better in Week
fifteen or playoffs. So that what the Chiefs have decided.
They've let a lot of guys go Tyreek Hill noisy,
they let a lot of guys go Snead. Super Bowl Well,
Chatter didn't play well. So Kansas City is making choices
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on who they signed. And it's not just production. And
this is a message to all young athletes. Productions half
of it. Your personality, temperament. Are you an adult? Work ethic?
New England never New England would keep guys a little longer.
They moved off Randy Moss quickly. They didn't move off
Edelman quick all right.
Speaker 4 (24:53):
So let's Brandon Ayuk is in the throes of the US.
What happens. He sees this, He sees thirty million a
year and.
Speaker 1 (25:00):
He'll make noise. And that leaves me to believe I
would move him. And I read a story yesterday that
John Lynch is taking calls. I Yuke is great. He's
a plus plus in the production stuff. But I again,
I'm gonna make you a cornerstone guy. Trent Williams A
plus production and temperament, McCaffrey A plus A plus. Okay
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Kittle a plus A plus. Deebos Can get a little
striped a.
Speaker 5 (25:25):
Little back in the day. I get it the last
one because we have a Bengals fan on staff. So
Burrow got his money. Jamar Chase is going to get
paid soon. Jamar Chase is now look based on the numbers,
he's gonna be like thirty four million dollars.
Speaker 1 (25:38):
Reason probably the second best receiver in the league.
Speaker 5 (25:39):
Okay, so now you have all of your money into
your quarterback and Jamar Chase. We saw what happened on
the Bengels had to drop some guys in the secondary.
Like I'm just telling you, these rosters start to get thin.
I believe we're at an oversaturation point for receivers. This
feels like the ceiling.
Speaker 4 (25:54):
You start paying guys thirty mil and you're gonna have
to cut from other places.
Speaker 1 (25:57):
Calm and well, but the league. You know, I used
to on this show, anybody that listens, I used to
call receivers icing. Never the cake. I do believe, because
I believe the cake for years and years was the coach,
the quarterback, the left tackle, the great defensive lineman. That
was the cake. I do believe. Because of rule changes,
the receiver is now part of the cake and not
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just the icing. So I don't have a problem paying
Justin Jefferson Davontee. I don't have any problem paying Homer
on Saint Brown true number one's top seven guys. No
problem at all. But somebody agents are to blame for this.
Agents don't sit down and go. You do get now.
You are the second or third highest played player on
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the team. It's not just production. And I'm sorry if
that hurts your feelings, but I'm not paying I said
this about Baker Mayfield. I like Baker, but the squirreliness
scared me. On the quarterback thing. Johnny Manziel, it's not
the talent, it's the squirreliness. I'm making you foundational. I
need grown ups.
Speaker 5 (26:58):
Yeah, Justin Jefferson, I'm fine paying him. You're gonna have
a quarterback on the rookie deal.
Speaker 4 (27:02):
Next up.
Speaker 5 (27:03):
The draft kicks off tomorrow night. Speculation still about Jayden Daniels.
A lot of people think he's gonna end up with
the Commanders. He recently told reporters Colin that he hopes
to surpass Mike Vick and Lamar Jackson is the greatest
running quarterback of all time.
Speaker 4 (27:20):
I'll let you take this away.
Speaker 1 (27:21):
Well, I'm fine with that as well, as long as
you're great in the pocket. I don't have a problem
if you. I mean Lamar Jackson running is a huge
part of his game. The problem with that, Wait a minute,
I just want you to be great in the pocket too.
Speaker 4 (27:31):
You were worried about.
Speaker 5 (27:32):
Paying Lamar last year because he had the injuries, because
getting hurt in the pocket and scrambling.
Speaker 1 (27:36):
I would have paid Lamar.
Speaker 4 (27:37):
Running quarterbacks get injured more than pocket quarterbacks. That's a fact.
Under the fact.
Speaker 1 (27:41):
I'm not denying it. If he says I want to
be the greatest running quarterback, that's fine. He's also a
better passer coming out of college than Lamar was or
Michael Vick. That's why I like him. I think he's
a very good pass for any ers in those guys, Well, yeah,
he's a better thrower. I like Jaydon. I think there's
no I have no fear he's a little thin for me.
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That's why. I think Caleb's a better prospect, but he's
very good, very good player. People I respect have him
a close to to Caleb Williams.
Speaker 4 (28:13):
Okay. Final story, ooh man, Phoenix Suns. Listen the one
game I missed last night.
Speaker 5 (28:18):
The Sons could not deliver Colin Grayson Allen goes down
third quarter and all of a sudden, Sons fall apart.
I'm not even kidding, and you know, Phoenix not playing
defense or chirping. Comes some comments from Devin Booker about
unhappy with like the team. The vibes are very bad
in Phoenix right now. Kevin Durant to assist, he now
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has three in the series.
Speaker 1 (28:40):
Kevin just wants to ball. He doesn't want to lead.
He's your buddy, that's all he wants to be. That's fine,
but we're going to demand a little bit more of
that from superstars at Joel Embiid. We're demanding you have
to win a second round playoff series. Kevin Durant, you
can be a baller and leave the penthouse for Brooklyn
and the reboot in Phoenix. This series is on you.
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You're the best player in the series.
Speaker 5 (29:03):
Sons were thirtieth in bench scoring this season, and now
they lose Grayson Allen who was great, and they just
paid and it's it's not looking good.
Speaker 1 (29:10):
Listen.
Speaker 4 (29:10):
I picked the Sons to win this year. I thought
they would give the Nuggets the problem.
Speaker 5 (29:13):
I'm not saying it's over because they did lose the
first two too dead for last year on the road,
came back in time.
Speaker 1 (29:18):
They'll win a game, don't.
Speaker 2 (29:19):
Win game three, lock that up.
Speaker 4 (29:20):
They will win game three. The question is can they
win four and then come back and five.
Speaker 5 (29:24):
The role players Jade McDaniels man he is locking up
Devin Booker at home and Chris Finch your guy.
Speaker 4 (29:30):
He comes on the show.
Speaker 5 (29:32):
Instead of putting McDaniels on Durant, they said Durant's gonna
get his thirty five, forty whatever, We're gonna lock up Booker.
Speaker 4 (29:37):
And Booker has done like nothing in this series.
Speaker 5 (29:39):
Fould out frustrated, nothing, and it's like, who's creating well.
Speaker 1 (29:43):
Booker is not a great athlete. He's a great scorer,
and the NBA has that sometimes like Aunt Edwards is
a great score and a great athlete, Kobe mj. Sometimes
you get a guy that, I mean, I grew up
with Alex English. He led the NBA in the eighties
and scoring the entire eighties, not Larry Burr, Alex English.
But he wasn't a great athlete. And sometimes those guys
get into difficult matchups where they need that burst and
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juice and they don't really have it. And so I
think Booker's always been known as a score. He's not
a world class athlete, and so I think he's got
You can clog him up. You couldn't clog KOBEA or
mj out. They just get there and Edwards is going
to get his He's just getting clogged up, and he
doesn't have kind of the the elusiveness and the kind
of dynamic juice to get get away from him.
Speaker 4 (30:25):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (30:25):
Yeah, Finch's putting on some good stuff. Vogel is getting
kind of bodied. Then no, Vince is a great offense.
They can't do anything well.
Speaker 1 (30:33):
Every time you watch Minnesota, whether they're the most talented
team or not, when you watch Minnesota, they're doing what
they should for their roster. They're making the right moves.
There are some rosters like Boston and Denver don't have
a lot of limitations. Most rosters have limitations, Like right now,
the new York Knicks are getting everything out of their roster.
They're doing exactly what they should. I still can't believe
the nixt League too. Oh, Bronson's played poorly, there's no
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Julius Randall and Beiden Maxie are putting up big numbers.
And the next league too.
Speaker 4 (31:01):
Oh that's not lasting long. Okay, we know sixers tomorrow
is like the better of the playoffs so far.
Speaker 1 (31:07):
All right, j mcle the news.
Speaker 2 (31:09):
Well that's the news, and thanks for stopping by the
herd Line News.
Speaker 1 (31:14):
Rachel Nichols, Uh, top of next Hour. You see Caitlin Clark.
So I'm that big contract with Nike. Are people okay
with that?
Speaker 4 (31:21):
Why would they not be?
Speaker 1 (31:22):
Well? People, yeah, people are.
Speaker 4 (31:23):
I know some of the w NBA players are chirping
and unhappy that they don't.
Speaker 1 (31:26):
Have you ever have you ever said to yourself in
the off season of the w NBA, Oh, I want
to watch the w NBA next year. This is the
first time in my life I've thought, oh, I'm gonna
watch I want to watch the WNB. I want to
see what she plays like.
Speaker 4 (31:38):
But I think every single game she's in is gonna
be televised, which is smart. I'll definitely check it out
when we might be going to the Caitlin Clark game
out here in La.
Speaker 1 (31:45):
Absolutely, I've never in my life before thought about the
w NBA out of season.
Speaker 4 (31:50):
That's the Caitlin Clark factor.
Speaker 5 (31:52):
As much as people want to say there's other girls,
there are, they're they're nice, but it's all about Kaitlin Clark.
Speaker 1 (31:57):
Yeah, I mean, Nike does this for a living. Nike
literally for a living, tries to find people. The deal's
actually very favorable to Nike. She made almost as much
at Iowa on her nil. She signed a eight year,
twenty eight million, three and a half million per year.
She was making three million at Iowa.
Speaker 4 (32:17):
That's that's what the story.
Speaker 1 (32:19):
That's what the story is. I mean, I don't follow
Iowa an IL women's basketball, but that's just with Nike.
Speaker 4 (32:24):
She's also gonna I'm.
Speaker 1 (32:25):
Saying, I'm saying Nike so and that was just nil
for Iowa. So Caitlin Clark, Nike, Kaitlin Clark, I bet
you is renegotiating this deal after a year. Nothing against
the agent, but she's making basically nil money at Iowa.
She literally outsold the entire Dallas Cowboys roster.
Speaker 5 (32:45):
Well, a jersey's different from a sneaker, right, are people
gonna buy Caitlyn?
Speaker 1 (32:50):
That's a very good that's a very good point.
Speaker 4 (32:52):
I were Caitlin Clark jersey. I don't care my daughter's
gonna get one. Like it's fine. I mean they're all
sold out everywhere.
Speaker 1 (32:57):
But now you're talking about speakers.
Speaker 4 (32:58):
That's a little different.
Speaker 1 (33:00):
Oh no, those are like one hundred and fifty box
or you know what's what?
Speaker 4 (33:06):
I don't Jack Shaq was not moving sneakers. We know that,
you know, like it's sneaker sales are totally different to
jersey sales.
Speaker 1 (33:13):
Have you ever bought a sneaker due to an athlete?
Speaker 4 (33:17):
I'm so embarrassed to admit this.
Speaker 5 (33:18):
I tried the Carmelo Anthony's after he got traded to
the next Terrible Shoes.
Speaker 4 (33:22):
That was it, one and done. I wear Damian Lillard's now.
I feel like they're the most comfortable.
Speaker 1 (33:27):
But did you buy them because of Dame or you
just bought them?
Speaker 4 (33:30):
I cycle through and I'm I'm a high top guy,
not a low top. I can't wear low tops because
of my ankles, And so you.
Speaker 1 (33:36):
Went and bought a Carmelo Anthony shoe is back in
the day when I was in New York and I
was like, oh, you know, geeked for Carmelo, but they
just weren't comfortable.
Speaker 4 (33:43):
Couldn't play in them. By the way, you can't play
in Michael jordan sneakers. You cannot. They're just style cool sneakers.
Can't play basketball. They're terrible, terrible basketball sneakers. Everyone will
backed me up on that, you know, once west Puss
the Sunline.
Speaker 1 (33:56):
So Michael's shoes aren't built to be warorn as athletic shoes.
Speaker 4 (34:01):
They're They're like a Chanel bag for women. You know,
you're signaling to people, Hey, I can afford Jordan's.
Speaker 2 (34:07):
What up.
Speaker 1 (34:08):
I'd never heard of that before. Is that true? Pretty much?
Speaker 4 (34:11):
I mean, maybe someone will check me on that after this, But.
Speaker 1 (34:13):
Yeah, it's like a Chanel bag. It's a status symbol,
exactly a Jordan's shoe.
Speaker 4 (34:18):
Is this?
Speaker 1 (34:18):
I had no idea you like that? Hunt Well, I
mean to be the best seller for twenty five years
in shoes and it's a status symbol. Cool, all right.
I've never had a Jordan's shoe in my whole life.
I got a young I've never had a yem. I've
had somebody sent me a Derek Rose shoe once.
Speaker 4 (34:37):
How were they?
Speaker 1 (34:37):
No soul joke? I kid because I care? No, I
just it did. I don't. That's not my thing. I'm
not moved to buy things based necessarily on superstar athletes.
There are there are people that will. I will buy
products based on an endorsement by somebody I trust, But
I'm not like a tennis shoe guy. First and secondly,
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pro athletes don't move me to buy stuff because I
think pro athletes will just take the money and never care.
Speaker 5 (35:05):
What about Agassy when he was a tennis player. I
played tenn and I was a young guy. I was like,
I need the Agassy.
Speaker 1 (35:10):
You know again, that's status, right. But I think athletes
will always I mean Shack's on fifty commercials. Shaq would
do insure whoever pays them the most, and I don't
begrudge Shack for doing that. But athletes don't move me
to to products because they're just gonna take the most money.
But there are there's been an actor or there's been
somebody that said, hey, this is really good, and I've thought, oh,
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I'm gonna try that because they have good taste. It's
almost like when I watch a movie. I watch a
movie based on usually the director and the top actor.
I mean, Ed Norton, don Cheatle are not in bad movies.
Tom Hanks has not in a lot of bad movies.
Meryl Streep's done in bad movies. The guy who did Oppenheim,
he's not in a lot of bad money. He doesn't
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Mike Nichols. Historically, there are there were directors that I'm like, oh,
he doesn't do he knows scripts, so I will follow.
I don't care about the producer. I will follow the
director and the lead. The protagonists, the star of the
movie all followed them. Sometimes I'll look at the writers.
But it's the same with athletes. Will just take the money.
But there are people out there that endorse things, and
I'm like, okay, how buy that.
Speaker 4 (36:14):
I saw the Napoleon movie with Joaquin Phoenix. I'm a
fan Joaquin Phoenix. Yeah, he's amazing. And I heard people say, oh,
the movie's not that great. The movie's awesome. Napoleon, the
new one, it just came and he got you into
a theater. I mean all of his movies are good.
Jaquin Phoenix is really at the top of his top
five actor in Hollywood right now.
Speaker 1 (36:30):
It has to be No, doesn't move me really? Yeah.
Speaker 3 (36:34):
I like.
Speaker 1 (36:36):
Christopher Bail. Yeah, I think is Christian Christian Bale. I
think I haven't seen him in a movie in over
a year. Christian Bale, I think to me is the
best actor in the world currently right now. But that
doesn't mean I can't move. But I've always had guys
like Cheatle and Ed Norton, and Michael Keaton is a
guy that doesn't make bad movies. Michael Keaton's always in
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good movies. So if Michael's in it that I know
that he wouldn't you know He's She doesn't need the
money anyway, just rambling here. Just started with Caitlin Clark,
who probably does need some of the money and got
it from Nike. But I think Nike got a good deal.
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Speaker 1 (38:12):
Okay, so this is intriuting little trivia for the audience.
I'm not a big trivia guy, but here it goes.
So there's a content producer at the other Place named
Paul Himbo, and he calculated the percentage of first round
picks that hit or miss. This is twenty drafts Now,
don't look this up, Jmac, look at me. The audience
got play along. Don't be cheating. Don't be out there
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a scouring social media, So don't look at no, you
guys put it on. That's okay, that's fine. The positions
that miss the least center, offensive tackle, guard, linebacker, and quarterback.
The position that misses the most, the most whiffs and
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busts is wide receiver. Now why would that be in
a wide receiver league. Over the last ten years, quarterback
wide receiver only twenty seven percent, three out of four
fail in the first round. So you and I, you've
talked about this the other day off the air with me,
and I've had this theory and I have discussed it
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with people. So here's my reason why I would avoid
in most cases drafting receivers in the first round. Here
is why. Of all the touchdowns scored in the NFL,
what are the most spectacular in the flashiest on average
wide receiver. They are often the biggest and best athletes.
Their corners aren't six four and a half six five.
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They're the best athlete. They're the NBA player of the NFL.
They break the huddle first. They're not really reliant on
a lot of other people outside of a quarterback. Just
get open, beat your man. Even sometimes they tell quarterbacks
throw me open. So it is a person out. There's
a reason we have a term diva wide receiver and
not diva guard or diva linebacker or divas is that
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wide receiver is the flashiest position. It is now one
of the highest paid positions. Your quarterback, your touchdowns and
big plays are the most spectacular. You're often celebrated for
your touchdowns. Running Backs score touchdowns from three yards out.
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Receiver touchdowns are twenty thirty, forty to fifty sixty over
the top speed and so they are rarely humbled in
high school or college. So when you draft them, the
receivers that come in humble and hungry are often later
round receivers with something to prove. It is the ego
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position of the league. And as much as you can
avoid adding ego to ego with a first round selection
and giving gas to that flame, because it really is
the position. They break the huddle first, they score the
most touchdowns, They are big names. No great quarterback in
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the history of the league doesn't have a great complimentary receiver,
and so that's my take on receivers. Be careful about
first round receivers. Now, like Harrison, there's obviously two or
three a year, but why look at the positions that
don't fail. It's those grinder, tough linebacker guard. Those guys
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are humbled the minute they walk into this league, and
those jobs are not flashy and not spectacular. I'm not
saying all receivers are like this. I mean Calvin Johnson,
Larry Fitzgerald, they're like pros, but it is weird. Three
out of four first round receivers are busts. That's insane.
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Speaker 1 (00:26):
All right, here we go Draft e tomorrow. At this
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drafts I won't present to America. I presented to myself.
I am dizzy with draft fever. I have to go
home and hydrate draft fever. Wow, and your mams last night,
it's a good night for us five and one with
the picks. Who's bragging? We're bragging. We get hammered when
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we're wrong, bragg when you're right.
Speaker 3 (01:10):
Thank you.
Speaker 1 (01:11):
So I saw a story this morning. Peyton Manning says
the Broncos are very interested in JJ McCarthy the Michigan
quarterback draft again tomorrow. So I would say about every
maybe every third draft, not every draft, but about every
third draft, second draft, there is a star quarterback gonna
be a first round quarterback, and I just don't get it.
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I mean, I have my favorites ones I like, don't
necessarily like as much, but they'll be guys I don't get.
I don't I don't get it. T Bo, Johnny Manzell,
Mitch Trubisky, Daniel Jones, Zach Wilson. I just didn't get it.
That's right in all of them. Don't confuse that with
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Baker Mayfield. I said, that's a starting quarterback in the NFL.
Still think he's one of the twentiest best quarterbacks on
the planet. I thought he was a bit immature. I
didn't think he was ready to be a number one pick.
I didn't think he was that talented. I thought it
was a reach. Daniel Jones, I didn't buy at all
the Baker's got talent. He wouldn't have been a guy
I would have drafted number one, but it got talent.
Don't confuse it with that. So my quarterback this year,
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there's a star, and I don't get it is JJ
McCarthy and Michigan. I think he's Mitch Trubisky with a
better college coach. He's mobile, he's a nice kid. But
his ball dies. His ball dies. He misses easy stuff,
misses too many laps. And unless his feet are pointed
in the right direction and he is set and he's
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got time and he can look down his receiver, he's
not that accurate consistently. I just don't see it. And again,
what I just described protection, your feeer set, you've got
everything ready to deliver, you've got space. That's Michigan. That's
not the NFL. In Michigan, you had perfect protection. The
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kid got sacked like almost never. I think he got
sacked like in thirteen fourteen games. He got sacked like
seventeen times once a game. He played with the lead.
He had a run game. That is not the NFL.
What are you when stuff implodes, when you have to
throw moving left, when you have to constantly avoid He
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even drew Brees who didn't have the big arm and
wasn't hyper athletic or Brady, constantly moving within the pocket,
constantly having to throw when you're uncomfortable in a muddy pocket.
That's not Michigan. McCarthy's not that big. His arm is
pretty average. The ringers Ben Solak on JJ McCarthy ringer
Bill Simmons thing. He said there are some real red
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flags on his profile. He said, I found his accuracy
to the outside really wanting, especially to the left. His
velocity starts the tail off. It's very trubisky, That's what
I see. It's very trubisky, which is worrisome, and his
mechanics start to crumble as well. The red flags don't
preclude JJ from NFL success, they make him seem a
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little scheme specific. And I've said this, I think he
works in Minnesota with Kevin O'Connell, Aaron Jones, Justin Jefferson,
Jordan Addison, TJ Hawkinson and a great left tackle. I
think he can work in Michigan. But I don't think
he's the top five guy ever. And I see a
lot of trubisky. He is my I don't see it quarterback.
I'll say it right now. I like Caleb and Jaln Daniels.
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I get the traits of Drake May. I think bo
Nicks works if he gets Sean Payton. I think Pennix
can work if he gets Mike McDaniel, or maybe that
Seattle situation where this college OC is now the Seahawks OC,
but the JJ one boy, it's got to land perfect
to work, in my opinion. Jordan Palmer, who does this
for a living, He's worked with Mahomes and Allen and Burrow.
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His thoughts on JJ McCarthy as a prospect.
Speaker 3 (04:51):
Before each game at Michigan, when you know Harvos's hitting
his pads and all that stuff in pregame, there is
an understanding that they were going to run for two
hundred and fifty yards that day. Had we seen games
where they asked him to throw it forty times and
he just completed half of them and threw two picks,
then that'd be different. That never happened. And so unfortunately,
when you're drafting anybody at the top, you have to
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make assumptions because we don't have We can't see how
they were in the NFL different than a free agency.
We can literally look at how you stack up against
NFL defenses. We can't do that in the draft. That's
why it's an imperfect science.
Speaker 1 (05:24):
Yeah, I think Jordan has the same concerns I do.
I talked to an NFL scout last night, he's my
I don't quite see it. Not saying it can't work,
but it would all have to line up perfectly to
work to any degree. That's my opinion on JJ McCarthy.
So this story is kind of shocking to me. The
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Patriots have the third pick, they are willing to move it,
and the story this morning they have not received a
serious offer for the third pick. So remember the quarterback position.
It's never been Let's start our entire discussion with this,
It's never been a more quarterback important, quarterback centric league,
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quarterback crucial league now more than ever, can't build around
a run game. Quarterback has never been more important. And
if you get the right one Mahomes, Brady, they change
a franchise. If you get a really, really great one
Lamar Jackson, he's worth up to eleven points a game.
JJ Watt at his height as the best defensive player
in the league was worth less than a point. Brady
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nineteen years as a starter in New England. This is
when initially it was a run league more than a
pass league. Seventeen playoffs, Mahomes six years as a starter,
six AFC championships. There's no comparable position. I grew up
with Walter Payton and Barry Sanders, to my eyes, the
two best running backs I've ever seen in the entire league.
In twenty three total years, they made the playoffs in
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a run league less than half the time. And yet
I still think at least half the coaches in this league,
overwhelmingly the defensive coaches, don't get the value of quarterback.
They don't get it. They show no urgency, they just
don't get it. It's like water, it's free medicine. If
you have a headache, they tell you drink water after
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a race or during a race. What do they tell you?
Hydrate water? I've had doctors say first thing, they ask,
are you drinking enough water? Yet it's a society. All
we do is pound caffeine, which dehydrates us. We drink alcohol,
which dehydrates us. Literally, professional athletes during games, after games,
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what the coaches say as they get on the plane.
Hydrate water, hydrate, gatorade, water, hydrate, free medicine. Most Americans
don't drink enough. And I look at the NFL and
I think this is why a third of the coaches
get fired every league. Maybe they deserve to be fired.
The Patriots haven't received a serious offer. A third of
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this league is awful at quarterback. Half of this league
is just not good enough quarterback. And there's six great
ones on the planet. And I believe the two best
quarterbacks are Jaden Daniels and Caleb Williams. Many like Jayden
over Caleb. I saw another story today another scout said
he's deeply concerned about the personality of Caleb. I'm not
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he is. He's not the only scout. So if Jaden
isn't selected second, you could get the best quarterback in
this class, according to about a third of the scouts,
the best quarterback if Washington decided to take Drake May.
Now there's others that think Drake May has the best
traits of all of them. He's taller, he's bigger, he's
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heavier than Caleb or Jaden Daniels. So getting to the
number three, I mean, and we know this to be true,
that I mean, let's look at where the best quarterbacks
in the NFL have fell to. Who was the best
quarterback in last year's class. It wasn't the number one quarterback,
it was the second quarterback taken c J. Stroud, Lamar
Jackson was the fifth quarterback taken. Josh Allen was the
third quarterback taken. Tom Brady was like eighth. Patrick Mahomes
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was second. So that third pick by New England in
a league where quarterbacks never been more important, where the
best defensive player will be worth less than half a
point in a quarterback centric league, nobody has called him
about the third pick. And again I will double down
and triple down on this because there is great disagreement
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on Drake May and Jaden Daniels. You could be getting
the second best quarterback in this draft, and there are
a handful of scouts. If Jaden Daniels dropped to three,
you'd be getting the best. And recent history shows you
the best quarterback in the draft is not the first
one taken. Lamar was the fifth, Mahomes the second, Allen
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the third, c J. Stroud the second. I mean, I
feel bad when people lose their jobs, but there's a
reason a third or a quarter of the NFL coaches
every year lose their job. New England hasn't received a
serious call on this. Are you kidding me? It's the
only position. I mean. I have friends who have coached
in the NFL and they acknowledge. Yeah, we couldn't get
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the quarterback right. So I went to college. I just
couldn't get the quarterback right. Those are the smart guys.
Those are the guys I feel bad for. But I mean,
never forget. A third of this league right now has
a bad quarterback, and half has a quarterback that's not
good enough. It's nuts to me. It's the only position
worth over a point. And again, Lamar Jackson, if you
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go to games he's played with the Ravens and games
he's missed, it's eleven points. Vegas thought Aaron Rodgers in
his prime was worth ten ten and a half points.
The average NFL games decided by four. What are we
doing here? Somebody called New England. They want to take
the call. They want to make a move. Al Right,
g Mac, I'll get to Luca here in a second.
Speaker 4 (10:57):
Hold on, I gotta ask.
Speaker 5 (10:58):
So the Patriots depth chart at quarterback as Jacoby Brissett,
Bailey Zappi, Nathan Rourke, do the Patriots need a quarterback.
Speaker 1 (11:08):
Or or the Patriots are deciding what we need more
than anything is like eight starters, and the only way
to get him is moving down. And you can subscribe
to that theory that we're better off just getting a roster.
There's two things they have to do. Get a quarterback
and get a roster. If you get a quarterback with
a bad roster, it increases failure. If you get a
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great roster and then get a quarterback, it increases the potential,
albeit a year later, of success. So I think you
can make an argument both ways. Roster first, quarterback second.
And if New England scouts are like, we love Caleb
and we love Jaden and by three they're like, now,
they may not make that move until after the second pick.
It could be circumstantial. But we know now this is
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not the seventies, eighties, nineties, or even fifteen years ago.
There was one position you got to get right and
then nobody gets fired. Andy Reid could be looking for
another job if Mahomes doesn't land there. And he's arguably
the best coach of my lifetime. And Belichick was fired
when he lost a quarterback. We considered the best coach
of our lifetime. So you can get the coach right,
and and he was like going Philly Belichick crumbled in
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New England. You have to get one position in the
whole franchise.
Speaker 3 (12:21):
Right.
Speaker 1 (12:22):
Do you see this week who got extensions? Brett Veet,
the Chiefs, GM, Brett Veach, Andy Reid, the President. Do
you know why they all got extensions? Not because of
the owner, because of the quarterback.
Speaker 4 (12:34):
So the Vikings call the Patriots and the Patriots you
know we're good at quarterback.
Speaker 5 (12:38):
Would you like to come up and get one? Viking's like, wait,
we need a quarterback? So do you Why don't you
want Drake May or j J mcco. What do you
know that we don't know?
Speaker 4 (12:48):
Why would the Vikings trade up?
Speaker 1 (12:49):
Well, the Vikings trade up if they believe and there
are indicators that they may believe that Drake May is
going to fall to three when they believe Drake May
has the best traits in the draft, although he's not
the most refined yet. There are those that I have
talked to that believe just Jayden Daniels personality and talent
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is the best quarterback. Not many, but some, there are
more than a few. I talked to one last night
who think Drake May's got the best traits, size, movement,
arm he got the best of them, but he's just
unrefined to that, I argued, so was Josh Mahomes Jordan Love.
There's an argument to be made unrefined, but unrefined, but
great traits is the guy you want to get.
Speaker 5 (13:33):
So is it possible that the Vikings don't want to
show their hand who they like and they're waiting to
see what happens it two? Because I know you think
what Washington's taken, Daniels, the gambling odds say that we've
seen a lot of mock drafts say that, I don't know.
I wonder if the Vikings are like, we don't know
who's going to so we're not going to trade up.
Speaker 4 (13:51):
It's the guy we want go second.
Speaker 1 (13:53):
No, I think that's now. I think Minnesota, I think
that's very possible. My gut is, this is what I
think Chicago's in on. Caleb. Washington's taken. Jade and Daniels
and the Patriots don't think Drake May with their current
roster has a shot. Minnesota thinks he needs a year
of development. So I think Minnesota likes Drake May and
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they're just gonna wait and see who Washington takes. So
I think if Minnesota makes a move, that could be
the team that moves. But the truth is, nobody's gotten
they haven't taken a serious call yet. A third of
this league is a garbage quarterback.
Speaker 4 (14:30):
I think it's because Washington's such a mystery at too.
We've just and the league is doing a great job
this year of not telling people who's going second Colin.
Let's be real. Nobody knows what Washington's doing it too.
They have not had any leaks at all.
Speaker 1 (14:43):
No, there's no leaks, but people inside the league know
what Washington's doing.
Speaker 2 (14:48):
I like that.
Speaker 4 (14:49):
I'm on Drake and you're on Jayden.
Speaker 1 (14:50):
Well, I just I if I know what Washington's doing,
and I believe I've been told I'm not alone. I
do not believe me. Thirty five hundred miles from Washington
has sources that nobody else has.
Speaker 4 (15:02):
Did they tell you that for a reason? Your your sources.
Let's get cow Hurd on the sources.
Speaker 1 (15:07):
Their names might as well be iron and clad.
Speaker 2 (15:11):
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Speaker 1 (15:20):
A lot of guys can score the basketball high school
college au g Leaguan pros to be a truly great player.
Generally in the history of the league, truly great an
all timer. You have to be elite offensively and at
least commit defensively. Tim Duncan did, Kobe did, Kareem did?
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MJ did? Tim Duncan did. They committed both sides of
the floor. Steph Curry is a willing defender, but he's
not a dynamic athlete. He's thin, can get pushed around,
but he makes the effort. Luca, so far in the
league before this year, was just an offensive player. It's
why I've often compared to to Carmelo Anthony, who never
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really committed the defense his entire career. Carmelo chose not
to be a great defender because all the skills he
had that made him a great offensive player, length, size,
quickness could have been used defensively. D Wade didn't have
the size the length of Carmelo Anthony. D Wade chose
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to be a great defensive player and a productive offensive player.
It's a choice, and for the first time in his career,
Luca has made a choice to play defense, and he's
been very good this year. Last night against the Clippers,
MAVs one tied the series up, Luca was exceptional. He
held people he guarded to twenty five percent shooting, and
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he didn't guard stiffs. He was out there guarding Paul
George and Kawhi and he held them to twenty five
percent shooting. He should be a good defender. He's big,
he's thick, he's powerful, he's long, he moves well for
a size. There's no reason he's not a very good defender.
I'm not asking him to be Ben Wallace, Tim Duncan,
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I'm not asking him to be MJ. He's not that twitchy.
But he should be a good defensive player. And offense
is about skill. Defense is about commitment and trying. And
it's why I won't give a break to James Harden, Arcamello, Anthony.
They chose, despite their athletic prowess, to not commit to
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the other side of the floor, and it's why I
don't consider them truly great, and they've never been great.
In April May and June, Jmack with a.
Speaker 2 (17:41):
News no turns. This is the herd line.
Speaker 1 (17:47):
And to further that, if you look at what's happening
in the NBA playoffs, the big term used is marginal content.
So the league is now rewarding physicality, scoring, in these playoffs.
J Mack, as you know, was down ten points a game,
and teams like the Knicks and Cleveland and Orlando and
the te Wolves are really better defensively than offensively, and
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so this this playoff is rewarding defense. They are swallowing
the whistle and Dallas and we both noted this. They've
made a commitment. Kyrie will never be a great defender again.
He didn't have a run on.
Speaker 4 (18:22):
He's been locked in these first two games.
Speaker 1 (18:24):
But last night Luca was really good and by the way,
barking at his coach like get I don't need help defense,
let me defend, and it's paid off.
Speaker 5 (18:33):
They played forty six minutes and the stats are when
he was the primary defender, the Clippers.
Speaker 4 (18:37):
Shot two for seventeen.
Speaker 1 (18:39):
No. No, and he alled his team let me defend,
So we ever locked it. No, I mean you want
to be mellow or do you want to be closer
to Lebron? You got to commit on the other side since.
Speaker 5 (18:50):
You brought up the marginal contact in the reviews, I
don't totally get what's going on, Like Lebron was right,
I don't know what's going on when they see these
reviews like that Kawhi should have and one that looked
like a foul Colin. I don't love all these reviews
and the flips, like the Clippers missed all eleven shots.
The staff just told me that Luca contested the second
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most field goal attempts contested without allowing a make in
a playoff game over the past five years.
Speaker 1 (19:17):
Luca, his entire career, had made a choice to not
do that. He has made a choice to play defense.
Carmelo didn't his entire career. Just wouldn't do it.
Speaker 5 (19:26):
Harden won't do it. Harden just waves his hands at
So that's not defense. Ola Matador action. All right, let's
get to the NFL. Some breaking news here in the
last forty five minutes. According to Ian Rappaport, Amaraz Saint
Brown and the Lions have agreed to a new deal.
Speaker 4 (19:39):
Listen, we do a lot of.
Speaker 5 (19:40):
Top five wide receiver lists. I don't know if you've
ever mentioned him in the top five. He just got
four years, one hundred and twenty mili seventy seven million
and guaranteed. The new deal makes Saint Brown the highest
paid receiver in the NFL.
Speaker 1 (19:54):
So here's what's interesting. I'm shocked by this stunt. So
I watched them in high school. His high school tape
was great. Watched them as freshman year at USC. He
was great. I watched him in the NFL. He was great,
but the coaching at USC was so poor. For his
final couple of years at USC, he plateaued. And I
remember talking to people before the draft a good friend
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of mine who's a GM, and I'm like, I think
he's a two to three great high school great USC
as a freshman great NFL shows you the value of
coaching that he's I felt at USC. I'm like, Okay,
he's just sort of this is what he is. He
has become. You talk about a grinder, routes physicality. His
dad was like a mister Olympias. That's right. Yeah, he
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was a world class weightlifter, So he grew up with nutrition, work,
ethic cut ripped athletic family. But a lot of this
because he's not a burner. He's really twitchy, but he's
not a burner. He's not gonna run past everybody.
Speaker 4 (20:48):
He's fast, but he's very good.
Speaker 5 (20:50):
But I'm going to ask you. You saw the numbers
on the screen. Is he a top five receiver in
the NFL.
Speaker 4 (20:56):
And this is not a slight.
Speaker 1 (20:57):
He's excellent, but you know what he is head down,
works hard, no ego like Tyreek Hill, I get noise.
I love Davonte, I get noise. AJ Brown, I get noise.
DK Metcalf. Do you be able saying I look at.
Speaker 4 (21:11):
This list, Ceedee lamp Grant, and I you know what I.
Speaker 1 (21:13):
Don't get Amaran Saint Brown, worker, be head down, productive, teamwork,
work ethic. I'm I'm not anti receiver, but you gotta
have the right Larry Fitzgerald head down, great teammate that position.
There's a reason there's a term diva wide receiver and
not diva center or diva guard or diva safety. He
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is the right kind of personality for that position. He's
got a tight ends mindset and a wide receiver's talent.
Speaker 4 (21:41):
And notice there was no like ooh, A'mara Saint Brown,
lyons struggling to reach it. There was nothing. There was
no chatter about this at all.
Speaker 1 (21:47):
None you like, no talk, and then it's a deal.
Speaker 6 (21:49):
Colin.
Speaker 5 (21:50):
I think you know, I think the people watch these
shows because they want our takes.
Speaker 4 (21:54):
This is this is gonna be a hot one.
Speaker 5 (21:55):
But again, you gonna have to pay Jomar Chase soon,
you have to pay more than thirty million dollars here
justin Jefferson.
Speaker 4 (22:01):
He's gonna want more than Saint Frown, c D Lamp.
Speaker 5 (22:04):
At what point are we overpaying wide receivers when you
can find them.
Speaker 1 (22:09):
If I get the production and the right personality, part
of being paid like that is not Brandon Aiyuk leaking
stuff on the internet. I will commit to any employee
I own a company. I will commit to any employee
who's highly productive. But if you start using Twitter is therapy,
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or you start being difficult, that's a different story. You
know you, but no, that's a second argument. You're talking
about paying them in the NFL. I do know their
personality now right, You're you're bringing up a second argument.
I do know after four years their personality Detroit nos
amor On Saint Brown's personality. So they're not just signing
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a productive player, they're signing a grown up. So that's
the downside to be a noisy at any position. If
you if I hear about your contract before signed, I
have questions about Okay, I'm gonna make you a corner stamp.
I'm gonna pay two guys on this roster. This quarterback
and a star receiver and maybe an edge rusher like
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Max Crosby's a great example. The guy literally lives for sacks.
He's all about team, all about winning. Here's your money.
You start going in if start using twitterist therapy, you
start scrubbing your social account, you're telling me you're not
an adult. I'm not paying you the big money.
Speaker 5 (23:27):
Remember we had a quarterback in here recently during a
commercial break talking about his time in the NFL. I
won't say the receiver, but two receivers were on the team.
Both were up for a deal, and they gave it
to one of them. And what happened they stop being productive.
Stop you remember last week we talked to him, stop
showing up and was just like checked out. He got
paid and he checked out. Yep, that's a big concern
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with a lot of these guys. I'm not saying it
to Saint Brown or any of them.
Speaker 1 (23:51):
If it's a big concern in all sports, you're not
just paying for productivity. If I am a general manager
or owner and I am going to make you a cornerstone,
top three player on the roster, Chris Jones, Kelsey Mahomes.
Then you have to be productive in the biggest games.
All three of those guys are and you have to
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have the right mindset. Kelsey will play hurt. Chris Jones
better in the biggest games. Mahomes is better in Week
fifteen or playoffs. So that what the Chiefs have decided.
They've let a lot of guys go Tyreek Hill noisy,
they let a lot of guys go Snead. Super Bowl Well,
Chatter didn't play well. So Kansas City is making choices
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on who they signed. And it's not just production. And
this is a message to all young athletes. Productions half
of it. Your personality, temperament. Are you an adult? Work ethic?
New England never New England would keep guys a little longer.
They moved off Randy Moss quickly. They didn't move off
Edelman quick all right.
Speaker 4 (24:53):
So let's Brandon Ayuk is in the throes of the US.
What happens. He sees this, He sees thirty million a
year and.
Speaker 1 (25:00):
He'll make noise. And that leaves me to believe I
would move him. And I read a story yesterday that
John Lynch is taking calls. I Yuke is great. He's
a plus plus in the production stuff. But I again,
I'm gonna make you a cornerstone guy. Trent Williams A
plus production and temperament, McCaffrey A plus A plus. Okay
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Kittle a plus A plus. Deebos Can get a little
striped a.
Speaker 5 (25:25):
Little back in the day. I get it the last
one because we have a Bengals fan on staff. So
Burrow got his money. Jamar Chase is going to get
paid soon. Jamar Chase is now look based on the numbers,
he's gonna be like thirty four million dollars.
Speaker 1 (25:38):
Reason probably the second best receiver in the league.
Speaker 5 (25:39):
Okay, so now you have all of your money into
your quarterback and Jamar Chase. We saw what happened on
the Bengels had to drop some guys in the secondary.
Like I'm just telling you, these rosters start to get thin.
I believe we're at an oversaturation point for receivers. This
feels like the ceiling.
Speaker 4 (25:54):
You start paying guys thirty mil and you're gonna have
to cut from other places.
Speaker 1 (25:57):
Calm and well, but the league. You know, I used
to on this show, anybody that listens, I used to
call receivers icing. Never the cake. I do believe, because
I believe the cake for years and years was the coach,
the quarterback, the left tackle, the great defensive lineman. That
was the cake. I do believe. Because of rule changes,
the receiver is now part of the cake and not
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just the icing. So I don't have a problem paying
Justin Jefferson Davontee. I don't have any problem paying Homer
on Saint Brown true number one's top seven guys. No
problem at all. But somebody agents are to blame for this.
Agents don't sit down and go. You do get now.
You are the second or third highest played player on
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the team. It's not just production. And I'm sorry if
that hurts your feelings, but I'm not paying I said
this about Baker Mayfield. I like Baker, but the squirreliness
scared me. On the quarterback thing. Johnny Manziel, it's not
the talent, it's the squirreliness. I'm making you foundational. I
need grown ups.
Speaker 5 (26:58):
Yeah, Justin Jefferson, I'm fine paying him. You're gonna have
a quarterback on the rookie deal.
Speaker 4 (27:02):
Next up.
Speaker 5 (27:03):
The draft kicks off tomorrow night. Speculation still about Jayden Daniels.
A lot of people think he's gonna end up with
the Commanders. He recently told reporters Colin that he hopes
to surpass Mike Vick and Lamar Jackson is the greatest
running quarterback of all time.
Speaker 4 (27:20):
I'll let you take this away.
Speaker 1 (27:21):
Well, I'm fine with that as well, as long as
you're great in the pocket. I don't have a problem
if you. I mean Lamar Jackson running is a huge
part of his game. The problem with that, Wait a minute,
I just want you to be great in the pocket too.
Speaker 4 (27:31):
You were worried about.
Speaker 5 (27:32):
Paying Lamar last year because he had the injuries, because
getting hurt in the pocket and scrambling.
Speaker 1 (27:36):
I would have paid Lamar.
Speaker 4 (27:37):
Running quarterbacks get injured more than pocket quarterbacks. That's a fact.
Under the fact.
Speaker 1 (27:41):
I'm not denying it. If he says I want to
be the greatest running quarterback, that's fine. He's also a
better passer coming out of college than Lamar was or
Michael Vick. That's why I like him. I think he's
a very good pass for any ers in those guys, Well, yeah,
he's a better thrower. I like Jaydon. I think there's
no I have no fear he's a little thin for me.
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That's why. I think Caleb's a better prospect, but he's
very good, very good player. People I respect have him
a close to to Caleb Williams.
Speaker 4 (28:13):
Okay. Final story, ooh man, Phoenix Suns. Listen the one
game I missed last night.
Speaker 5 (28:18):
The Sons could not deliver Colin Grayson Allen goes down
third quarter and all of a sudden, Sons fall apart.
I'm not even kidding, and you know, Phoenix not playing
defense or chirping. Comes some comments from Devin Booker about
unhappy with like the team. The vibes are very bad
in Phoenix right now. Kevin Durant to assist, he now
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has three in the series.
Speaker 1 (28:40):
Kevin just wants to ball. He doesn't want to lead.
He's your buddy, that's all he wants to be. That's fine,
but we're going to demand a little bit more of
that from superstars at Joel Embiid. We're demanding you have
to win a second round playoff series. Kevin Durant, you
can be a baller and leave the penthouse for Brooklyn
and the reboot in Phoenix. This series is on you.
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You're the best player in the series.
Speaker 5 (29:03):
Sons were thirtieth in bench scoring this season, and now
they lose Grayson Allen who was great, and they just
paid and it's it's not looking good.
Speaker 1 (29:10):
Listen.
Speaker 4 (29:10):
I picked the Sons to win this year. I thought
they would give the Nuggets the problem.
Speaker 5 (29:13):
I'm not saying it's over because they did lose the
first two too dead for last year on the road,
came back in time.
Speaker 1 (29:18):
They'll win a game, don't.
Speaker 2 (29:19):
Win game three, lock that up.
Speaker 4 (29:20):
They will win game three. The question is can they
win four and then come back and five.
Speaker 5 (29:24):
The role players Jade McDaniels man he is locking up
Devin Booker at home and Chris Finch your guy.
Speaker 4 (29:30):
He comes on the show.
Speaker 5 (29:32):
Instead of putting McDaniels on Durant, they said Durant's gonna
get his thirty five, forty whatever, We're gonna lock up Booker.
Speaker 4 (29:37):
And Booker has done like nothing in this series.
Speaker 5 (29:39):
Fould out frustrated, nothing, and it's like, who's creating well.
Speaker 1 (29:43):
Booker is not a great athlete. He's a great scorer,
and the NBA has that sometimes like Aunt Edwards is
a great score and a great athlete, Kobe mj. Sometimes
you get a guy that, I mean, I grew up
with Alex English. He led the NBA in the eighties
and scoring the entire eighties, not Larry Burr, Alex English.
But he wasn't a great athlete. And sometimes those guys
get into difficult matchups where they need that burst and
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juice and they don't really have it. And so I
think Booker's always been known as a score. He's not
a world class athlete, and so I think he's got
You can clog him up. You couldn't clog KOBEA or
mj out. They just get there and Edwards is going
to get his He's just getting clogged up, and he
doesn't have kind of the the elusiveness and the kind
of dynamic juice to get get away from him.
Speaker 4 (30:25):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (30:25):
Yeah, Finch's putting on some good stuff. Vogel is getting
kind of bodied. Then no, Vince is a great offense.
They can't do anything well.
Speaker 1 (30:33):
Every time you watch Minnesota, whether they're the most talented
team or not, when you watch Minnesota, they're doing what
they should for their roster. They're making the right moves.
There are some rosters like Boston and Denver don't have
a lot of limitations. Most rosters have limitations, Like right now,
the new York Knicks are getting everything out of their roster.
They're doing exactly what they should. I still can't believe
the nixt League too. Oh, Bronson's played poorly, there's no
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Julius Randall and Beiden Maxie are putting up big numbers.
And the next league too.
Speaker 4 (31:01):
Oh that's not lasting long. Okay, we know sixers tomorrow
is like the better of the playoffs so far.
Speaker 1 (31:07):
All right, j mcle the news.
Speaker 2 (31:09):
Well that's the news, and thanks for stopping by the
herd Line News.
Speaker 1 (31:14):
Rachel Nichols, Uh, top of next Hour. You see Caitlin Clark.
So I'm that big contract with Nike. Are people okay
with that?
Speaker 4 (31:21):
Why would they not be?
Speaker 1 (31:22):
Well? People, yeah, people are.
Speaker 4 (31:23):
I know some of the w NBA players are chirping
and unhappy that they don't.
Speaker 1 (31:26):
Have you ever have you ever said to yourself in
the off season of the w NBA, Oh, I want
to watch the w NBA next year. This is the
first time in my life I've thought, oh, I'm gonna
watch I want to watch the WNB. I want to
see what she plays like.
Speaker 4 (31:38):
But I think every single game she's in is gonna
be televised, which is smart. I'll definitely check it out
when we might be going to the Caitlin Clark game
out here in La.
Speaker 1 (31:45):
Absolutely, I've never in my life before thought about the
w NBA out of season.
Speaker 4 (31:50):
That's the Caitlin Clark factor.
Speaker 5 (31:52):
As much as people want to say there's other girls,
there are, they're they're nice, but it's all about Kaitlin Clark.
Speaker 1 (31:57):
Yeah, I mean, Nike does this for a living. Nike
literally for a living, tries to find people. The deal's
actually very favorable to Nike. She made almost as much
at Iowa on her nil. She signed a eight year,
twenty eight million, three and a half million per year.
She was making three million at Iowa.
Speaker 4 (32:17):
That's that's what the story.
Speaker 1 (32:19):
That's what the story is. I mean, I don't follow
Iowa an IL women's basketball, but that's just with Nike.
Speaker 4 (32:24):
She's also gonna I'm.
Speaker 1 (32:25):
Saying, I'm saying Nike so and that was just nil
for Iowa. So Caitlin Clark, Nike, Kaitlin Clark, I bet
you is renegotiating this deal after a year. Nothing against
the agent, but she's making basically nil money at Iowa.
She literally outsold the entire Dallas Cowboys roster.
Speaker 5 (32:45):
Well, a jersey's different from a sneaker, right, are people
gonna buy Caitlyn?
Speaker 1 (32:50):
That's a very good that's a very good point.
Speaker 4 (32:52):
I were Caitlin Clark jersey. I don't care my daughter's
gonna get one. Like it's fine. I mean they're all
sold out everywhere.
Speaker 1 (32:57):
But now you're talking about speakers.
Speaker 4 (32:58):
That's a little different.
Speaker 1 (33:00):
Oh no, those are like one hundred and fifty box
or you know what's what?
Speaker 4 (33:06):
I don't Jack Shaq was not moving sneakers. We know that,
you know, like it's sneaker sales are totally different to
jersey sales.
Speaker 1 (33:13):
Have you ever bought a sneaker due to an athlete?
Speaker 4 (33:17):
I'm so embarrassed to admit this.
Speaker 5 (33:18):
I tried the Carmelo Anthony's after he got traded to
the next Terrible Shoes.
Speaker 4 (33:22):
That was it, one and done. I wear Damian Lillard's now.
I feel like they're the most comfortable.
Speaker 1 (33:27):
But did you buy them because of Dame or you
just bought them?
Speaker 4 (33:30):
I cycle through and I'm I'm a high top guy,
not a low top. I can't wear low tops because
of my ankles, And so you.
Speaker 1 (33:36):
Went and bought a Carmelo Anthony shoe is back in
the day when I was in New York and I
was like, oh, you know, geeked for Carmelo, but they
just weren't comfortable.
Speaker 4 (33:43):
Couldn't play in them. By the way, you can't play
in Michael jordan sneakers. You cannot. They're just style cool sneakers.
Can't play basketball. They're terrible, terrible basketball sneakers. Everyone will
backed me up on that, you know, once west Puss
the Sunline.
Speaker 1 (33:56):
So Michael's shoes aren't built to be warorn as athletic shoes.
Speaker 4 (34:01):
They're They're like a Chanel bag for women. You know,
you're signaling to people, Hey, I can afford Jordan's.
Speaker 2 (34:07):
What up.
Speaker 1 (34:08):
I'd never heard of that before. Is that true? Pretty much?
Speaker 4 (34:11):
I mean, maybe someone will check me on that after this, But.
Speaker 1 (34:13):
Yeah, it's like a Chanel bag. It's a status symbol,
exactly a Jordan's shoe.
Speaker 4 (34:18):
Is this?
Speaker 1 (34:18):
I had no idea you like that? Hunt Well, I
mean to be the best seller for twenty five years
in shoes and it's a status symbol. Cool, all right.
I've never had a Jordan's shoe in my whole life.
I got a young I've never had a yem. I've
had somebody sent me a Derek Rose shoe once.
Speaker 4 (34:37):
How were they?
Speaker 1 (34:37):
No soul joke? I kid because I care? No, I
just it did. I don't. That's not my thing. I'm
not moved to buy things based necessarily on superstar athletes.
There are there are people that will. I will buy
products based on an endorsement by somebody I trust, But
I'm not like a tennis shoe guy. First and secondly,
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pro athletes don't move me to buy stuff because I
think pro athletes will just take the money and never care.
Speaker 5 (35:05):
What about Agassy when he was a tennis player. I
played tenn and I was a young guy. I was like,
I need the Agassy.
Speaker 1 (35:10):
You know again, that's status, right. But I think athletes
will always I mean Shack's on fifty commercials. Shaq would
do insure whoever pays them the most, and I don't
begrudge Shack for doing that. But athletes don't move me
to to products because they're just gonna take the most money.
But there are there's been an actor or there's been
somebody that said, hey, this is really good, and I've thought, oh,
(35:32):
I'm gonna try that because they have good taste. It's
almost like when I watch a movie. I watch a
movie based on usually the director and the top actor.
I mean, Ed Norton, don Cheatle are not in bad movies.
Tom Hanks has not in a lot of bad movies.
Meryl Streep's done in bad movies. The guy who did Oppenheim,
he's not in a lot of bad money. He doesn't
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Mike Nichols. Historically, there are there were directors that I'm like, oh,
he doesn't do he knows scripts, so I will follow.
I don't care about the producer. I will follow the
director and the lead. The protagonists, the star of the
movie all followed them. Sometimes I'll look at the writers.
But it's the same with athletes. Will just take the money.
But there are people out there that endorse things, and
I'm like, okay, how buy that.
Speaker 4 (36:14):
I saw the Napoleon movie with Joaquin Phoenix. I'm a
fan Joaquin Phoenix. Yeah, he's amazing. And I heard people say, oh,
the movie's not that great. The movie's awesome. Napoleon, the
new one, it just came and he got you into
a theater. I mean all of his movies are good.
Jaquin Phoenix is really at the top of his top
five actor in Hollywood right now.
Speaker 1 (36:30):
It has to be No, doesn't move me really? Yeah.
Speaker 3 (36:34):
I like.
Speaker 1 (36:36):
Christopher Bail. Yeah, I think is Christian Christian Bale. I
think I haven't seen him in a movie in over
a year. Christian Bale, I think to me is the
best actor in the world currently right now. But that
doesn't mean I can't move. But I've always had guys
like Cheatle and Ed Norton, and Michael Keaton is a
guy that doesn't make bad movies. Michael Keaton's always in
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good movies. So if Michael's in it that I know
that he wouldn't you know He's She doesn't need the
money anyway, just rambling here. Just started with Caitlin Clark,
who probably does need some of the money and got
it from Nike. But I think Nike got a good deal.
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Speaker 1 (38:12):
Okay, so this is intriuting little trivia for the audience.
I'm not a big trivia guy, but here it goes.
So there's a content producer at the other Place named
Paul Himbo, and he calculated the percentage of first round
picks that hit or miss. This is twenty drafts Now,
don't look this up, Jmac, look at me. The audience
got play along. Don't be cheating. Don't be out there
(38:34):
a scouring social media, So don't look at no, you
guys put it on. That's okay, that's fine. The positions
that miss the least center, offensive tackle, guard, linebacker, and quarterback.
The position that misses the most, the most whiffs and
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busts is wide receiver. Now why would that be in
a wide receiver league. Over the last ten years, quarterback
wide receiver only twenty seven percent, three out of four
fail in the first round. So you and I, you've
talked about this the other day off the air with me,
and I've had this theory and I have discussed it
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with people. So here's my reason why I would avoid
in most cases drafting receivers in the first round. Here
is why. Of all the touchdowns scored in the NFL,
what are the most spectacular in the flashiest on average
wide receiver. They are often the biggest and best athletes.
Their corners aren't six four and a half six five.
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They're the best athlete. They're the NBA player of the NFL.
They break the huddle first. They're not really reliant on
a lot of other people outside of a quarterback. Just
get open, beat your man. Even sometimes they tell quarterbacks
throw me open. So it is a person out. There's
a reason we have a term diva wide receiver and
not diva guard or diva linebacker or divas is that
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wide receiver is the flashiest position. It is now one
of the highest paid positions. Your quarterback, your touchdowns and
big plays are the most spectacular. You're often celebrated for
your touchdowns. Running Backs score touchdowns from three yards out.
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Receiver touchdowns are twenty thirty, forty to fifty sixty over
the top speed and so they are rarely humbled in
high school or college. So when you draft them, the
receivers that come in humble and hungry are often later
round receivers with something to prove. It is the ego
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position of the league. And as much as you can
avoid adding ego to ego with a first round selection
and giving gas to that flame, because it really is
the position. They break the huddle first, they score the
most touchdowns, They are big names. No great quarterback in
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the history of the league doesn't have a great complimentary receiver,
and so that's my take on receivers. Be careful about
first round receivers. Now, like Harrison, there's obviously two or
three a year, but why look at the positions that
don't fail. It's those grinder, tough linebacker guard. Those guys
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are humbled the minute they walk into this league, and
those jobs are not flashy and not spectacular. I'm not
saying all receivers are like this. I mean Calvin Johnson,
Larry Fitzgerald, they're like pros, but it is weird. Three
out of four first round receivers are busts. That's insane.
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