April 24, 2024 • 41 mins
The Raiders are trying to move up in the NFL Draft
NBA reporter Rachel Nichols joins the show in studio to explain why the Suns have been disappointing despite their trio of superstars including Kevin Durant
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at this time, the draft will be percolating, moves could
be made, the chess piece is being altered.
Speaker 3 (00:45):
My guess is no trades before the draft, and during
the first round we're going to see live three or
four Scott. I think it's gonna be cha. And one
of the crazier drafts were trades.
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Speaker 1 (01:17):
So the NFL draft the Raiders, this is interesting and
I appreciate this, and I like their GM. They attempted
to trade up to number two overall from thirteen and
so I have this theory on the Raiders that I
grew up and in the seventies I became a sports fan.
I collected NBA cards, baseball cards. I liked NBA cards.
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I was the only kid that liked NBA cards more
than baseball cards. And the Warriors won a title in
the seventies, and the Raiders won a Super Bowl in
the seventies, a couple in the eighties, but the seventies
was a very romantic time in the Bay Area. You
had these passionate fan bases. They were winning Super Bowls
or NBA finals. You had iconic players like Fred Blitnikoff
and Kenny Stabler and Rick Barry, and then mostly you know,
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the last twenty five years before Steph Curry, the Warriors were.
The Warriors were irrelevant pre Steph Curry for about thirty years,
some tim hardaway years, but mostly irrelevant and the Raiders
have been irrelevant for like twenty two years. They have
the second worst record in the NFL in the last
twenty twenty one years, worse than Cleveland. And so my
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take is the Raiders need their Steph Curry. They need
their Steph Curry. And I believe to move from thirteen
to two or three can get you Jaden Daniels, who
I think is Steph little finn little, small, but electric,
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dynamic and a dominant conference comes out and the smart
people see the greatness. Brian Kelly, LSU coach, Jayden's coach
last couple of years, talked about what he could be
and what he was at LSU his first.
Speaker 3 (02:58):
Year where he struggled that times, he was the same
guy each and every week he went to work.
Speaker 1 (03:05):
He continued to lead, He worked on his craft.
Speaker 3 (03:09):
So you know this is a guy that you know
he can handle the ups and downs of it.
Speaker 4 (03:13):
He is a flat out playmaker. He will he'll change
the look.
Speaker 1 (03:17):
Of your franchise.
Speaker 5 (03:19):
And I think that that's why I believe he's the
best quarterback in the draft.
Speaker 1 (03:24):
So to move from thirteen to two, I tell my
daughter this, don't seek happiness. It's not in the couch.
It's not in the it's not in the dry cleaner,
it's not in a laundry. Don't seek happiness, create it,
make it. You can sit at thirteen and hope the
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fourth best quarterback falls to you, or you can create
winning moving up. Everybody's seeking things. Stop it, create it.
Raiders have no one. They have no momentum as a franchise.
This isn't San Francisco rolling the dice. That's a winning franchise.
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They took a swing and missed. This is a laughing
stock for twenty years. They're not in the Let's see
if greatness falls to us. Kansas City was a winning franchise.
They moved up right. They moved up to get Mahomes.
Green Day was a winning franchise, and they moved up
for Jordan Love. The Raiders are a laughing stock for
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twenty years. Don't see happiness, create happiness, create it, make
it happen. This is a franchise for twenty two years.
I didn't even look up. I was told they had
the second worst record, worse than Cleveland in the last twenty years.
I wouldn't be in the sit around and wait for
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somebody to fall to me. You got to make something
happen because that waiting and having guys fall to you,
it's not working at all. It's not working. So the
Raiders are at thirteen three. You know the Chargers. You
know the Chargers want to move down. I don't care
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if they're in your division. You got to figure out
you not worry about the Chargers, the Chiefs, and the Broncos.
So to me the Raiders, you say, well, well, you'd
have to give up a lot. Well, what would you
be giving up? You have a one in twenty years.
What are you giving up San Francisco. Giving up picks
is different. They're on the precipice of a Super Bowl.
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You're giving up stuff. You're giving up draft picks that
could become starters on a great team. That that can
be tougher. It can be tougher to be a great
team and say, oh, we're gonna give up two first
round picks. You may need those to beat the Chiefs,
the Bills, the Ravens, the Niners, the Liiant You may
need those. Let's not what the Raiders are. Raiders aren't
competitive for the best team. Raiders are the third best,
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probably fourth best roster in our division. You got to
take swings. So I like the idea. They called Washington,
they tried to move up. I'd keep calling. I'd make
them make a deal if I could. And with that
covering the NBA since nineteen ninety three, she's created momentum.
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Rachel Nichols is joining us on the show again. Last
time I had you on the show, I had more
people stop me, My friends say, get Rachel on the
show more. So that's what we do, Rachel. We listen
to our audience.
Speaker 6 (06:27):
I appreciate that. And the checks are in the mail paper.
Who contributed there thinks.
Speaker 1 (06:31):
So I was not only wrong on Phoenix in the
regular season, I said I'm gonna end up in the
Western Conference finals big with I was wrong in the
posts and I picked him over Minnesota. And I watched
this series and I gotta be honest, Rachel, I don't
see a ton of energy Kevin Durant scoring Booker's cooked.
Speaker 6 (06:49):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (06:50):
Are you surprised? Are people in the league surprised by this?
Speaker 7 (06:53):
No, I'm not surprised at all.
Speaker 6 (06:54):
I was the opposite of you and got a ton
of criticism from the people out in the world of
why don't you leave in the Suns. They've got some
of the best shooters in the league. They do, they
just don't have the rest of the roster. And that
is the problem. The way this roster is constructed, it's
not fair to those stars because they don't have the
rest of the team around them that say Minnesota has.
Minnesota is a team. If you looked at Ant, he
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got a ton of defensive attention last night. Wasn't able
to score in Game two the way he did.
Speaker 7 (07:20):
In Game one. Karl Anthony Towns.
Speaker 6 (07:22):
Got in foul trouble, wasn't able to score the way
he did in Game one. Guess what, Jade McDaniel steps up,
Mike Conley steps up.
Speaker 7 (07:29):
That's a team, Rudy Gobert is. They're on defense, defensive
player of the year. The Suns don't have that. The
way this roster is constructed.
Speaker 6 (07:36):
It is so top heavy, and even within that, there's
no true point guard, there's no ball handler, there's no
one getting these guys the ball where they need it
to be. That is not a recipe for success. They're
going to be limited going forward, and now we're going
to face questions this offseason. I mean, look, by the
way I think Phoenix can win a game or two
in this series. I don't think they're winning four of
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the next five.
Speaker 1 (07:57):
Yeah, you could tell in game one. It's interesting because
they beat the Tea Wolves in three matchups regular season
by double digits. But regular season is different. You play.
I mean, I think we all know this defense has
become much more important in the playoffs. They are calling
it marginal contact. The whistles are drying up. These are
defensive teams are flourishing. The Knicks are flourishing. Phillies better offense,
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Knicks are better defense. Cleveland's a good defensive team. Orlando's
a good defensive team. So yeah, you know, we've talked
about Kevin durant Is, and I think a lot of
it is international soccer in the NBA are very star
driven and Ronaldo can move around and you just go
get the money, and we all say it's fine, you
go get yours. In the NFL, like if Mahomes left
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to the Jets because he had a friend who played
wide receiver.
Speaker 7 (08:44):
We'd be much more disturbed by that.
Speaker 1 (08:46):
What are you doing? Yes, But in basketball, like go
get yours. I mean a lot of mobility. But there
is something about kd Is that he left in the
penthouse of the league for a remodel and a reboot,
and neither is worked affect his legacy.
Speaker 6 (09:01):
Look, I think the mistake. There's an argument that Kevin
never should have left Golden State. I don't care what
yeah people outside noise were saying. Right, it's a great team.
That was one of the greatest teams of all time.
Let's see what you could do.
Speaker 7 (09:13):
Let's maximize that to its full potential.
Speaker 6 (09:15):
That was a disappointment if you're just a true basketball fan,
getting to see how far they could have gotten if
they had stayed together would have been really cool. I
feel the same way about Jack and Kobe. I would
have loved to have seen them stay together. If he
was going to leave, why didn't he go to the Knicks?
Man and I know, ever in New York, you're very
happy now, I get it. But can you imagine Kevin
Durant if he went to Madison Square Garden and they
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were still able to build the quality of team around
him that they have built now with that kind of
good management, he'd be a hero.
Speaker 7 (09:43):
I mean, his entire.
Speaker 6 (09:44):
Legacy would be different, The way people thought of him
would be different. He'd never buy another meal again in
New York City or possibly around the country.
Speaker 1 (09:50):
That was what's interesting. He not only left the Warriors,
but he went to New York's second brand, And it's like,
that's like going to the Mets over the Yankees, and
you have a ChIL If you're Garrett Cole and they
both offer you, you'd go to the Yankees.
Speaker 6 (10:03):
Yes, yes, And by the way, everyone in that fan
base was starving for a big star member. They couldn't
get Lebron, they couldn't get Sown, so they couldn't get Sown.
So if he came, the victory parade just from him
signing would have been tremendous. And then what if he
got into a conference finals? What if he got them
to an NBA finals, forget a championship.
Speaker 7 (10:21):
People weren't been just ballistically happy.
Speaker 1 (10:23):
We were talking Jay McK and I Rachel talked about
this the other day. There is something that is profound.
I remember when I first fell in love with the
NBA in the seventies and eighties, and part of the
attraction I'm a small town, rural kid, was Diane Cannon,
Jack Nicholson. That's where stars were at. I've never seen
stars at sporting events and you're like, oh, stars, they're
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pretty good. I'm watching the Knicks games. There is no
question they feel bigger. I got guys from the Sopranos,
I got Ben Stiller, I Gotston Bateman. Yes, it matters.
It feels the league. It feels big, and that's what's
entering with Kevin. It's one thing to leave the great team.
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If Mahomes ever left, you know he would go to
a great coach. Hey, I want to go with Sean Payton.
I want to go with Sean McVay, Like Stafford's like,
I'm going to go find the guy. It's a weird
move and it has not worked out. So Milwaukee Indiana, Yeah,
this could be a problem from the beginning. Janice has hurt.
Indiana's a tough matchup. Yeah, Milwaukee's old. You kind of
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feel if Jannis is there, the NBA's swallowed the whistles.
They'll figure it out. But where are we inside that organization?
So let's say Jannis comes back, is it game three?
They think?
Speaker 6 (11:39):
First of all, nobody has projected when he's going to
come back. The update was from Doc Rivers. He's closer. Well,
closer could mean a lot of things, right. I mean,
I'm closer to being eighty years old. I'm not near
it yet though, So I just think we don't know,
and I have to say I'm not I'm not a doctor,
I don't even play one on TV, and I'm not
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inside the Bucks organization. I would be whatever is more
conservative than conservative about bringing Yanni's back. We have seen
calf strains precede achilles injuries more than once. Kevin Durant
went through it, and when he did, he missed the
entire next year and the playoffs the following year. And
by the way, yes he has come back. He's not
quite the player he was. He's pretty close, which is very,
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very impressive, but he has a totally different shooting style
and body.
Speaker 7 (12:25):
Type than Yani sent to COOMP.
Speaker 6 (12:26):
He's a completely different player Yannis at his size, with
the way he plays, if he had to recover from
an achilles tear, that's a very very troubling scenario. And
if I'm the Bucks, this first round series, as disappointing
as it is, would not be worth it to me
to rush him back in any way or even do
the averages. I would be on the conservative side of
conservative with him and if that's the case, gosh, it
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looks like the Pacers would win this series. Because the
real key for the Bucks was going to be as
efficient as possible. Make your shots so that the Pacers,
who are younger and more athletic, can't start running around
in transition right because they're faster. And when you have
Janni said to Takoupo, who's a two time MVP with
his skill set not there when you don't have him
drawing devil teams off Damian Lillard, when you don't have
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those easy buckets, he can get inside. You're just given
the Pacers transition opportunities. And they did a twenty three to.
Speaker 7 (13:18):
Four run the other day in the fourth quarter. I mean,
that's what's going to happen.
Speaker 1 (13:21):
So there's always been this feeling that when Lebron came
to your franchise, you sacrificed everything to win now and
that used to reward you with final appearances. It was
a lock in sports Nick Saban would win the sec
Lebron would get to the finals. Yes, two locks in spours, okay,
and then Lebron now guarantees you're interesting, but he doesn't
guarantee anything in the playoffs. Especially in the much deeper West.
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And so when I suggested, I didn't think it was
a hot take. I said, you know, they match up
really well with OKC, and they're not built to win
the championship anyway. My concern is when they lose to
Denver again in four, the repercussions of losing, He'll want
Darvin hamout be gone. They'll have questions about Austin Reeves
that they're not constructed to beat Denver, They're constructed to
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match up with them. Yeah, but Lebron has to literally
play forty minutes and play brilliant, and the team has
to play perfect to win. And so now we are
a couple of weeks after that take, right where we
thought we would be. You're down love to you probably
win a game, maybe, But what are the repercussions Lebron's
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businesses here? Yeah, but now his son could get drafted,
could go elsewhere, little less loyalty. Is there any possibility
or discussion. By the way, a story leaked yesterday. Did
you notice this story leaked? Darvin Ham will be back.
That was the Lakers ensuring everybody knew, don't blame the coach.
We're not moving off the coach at you know how
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new stuff gets out when people want it out. Yes,
this is this a border skirmish. Is if they get swept?
How do you feel about that?
Speaker 7 (14:57):
Look, I'm with you.
Speaker 6 (14:58):
I think the Lakers when at least one game, maybe
they win two games, but they're not winning again four
of the next five, they're not winning this series. And
they really were never set up to win the series,
to your point. And it's funny we used to call
in the East when Lebron made it to eight finals
in a row. I used to say, Oh, it's the
Lebron James Invitational, not the NBA Finals. Lebron James Invitational.
That brick wall that Lebron put up in the Eastern
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Conference for all those years, that is what Nikolaiokich is
starting to build in the West. And it is possible
that no other team while he is in his prime
and that Denver team is constructed the way it is,
and he in the partnership that he has with Jamal
Murray and the chemistry they have toward the end of
games with the entire team, it's possible no one's going
to break through the brick wall that they're starting to
build there. But they're definitely not doing it with this roster.
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I don't think it's just Lebron that's having some questions
about the way the organization runs. Anthony Davis came out
after the game and said, there are times we don't
know what we're doing on both ends.
Speaker 7 (15:55):
Of the floor.
Speaker 4 (15:56):
I heard that you're around the what.
Speaker 6 (15:57):
Ninetieth game of the season, between the season and play
in and the n season tournament and whatever, you got
to know what you're doing on both ends of the floor.
And by the way, you're playing a team in Denver
that knows exactly what they're doing and every moment they're
on the court, and that is a coaching thing.
Speaker 7 (16:11):
And it's not the first time that AD.
Speaker 6 (16:13):
Has said something like that, which seems like a side
swipe at Darvin Ham. I don't blame Darvin Haam as
much as Laker Nation does. Laker Nation is never happy
with the coach, but I do think that you have
to listen to the signals you're getting from the locker room,
and you're getting some pretty loud signals from Anthony.
Speaker 1 (16:27):
Davis, and they immediately leak a story that Darvin Ham
is safe. So it feels like there's tension building. The
series is only two games old. The New York story's fascinating.
Speaker 7 (16:40):
I love it.
Speaker 1 (16:41):
It's just great. And I know a lot of people
watch this show. You guys talk about the big markets,
but it should be noted the NFL is run by
a team in Kansas City. Yes, we love stores, Connecticut
and Yukon. There's plenty of small market, smaller market, Yes,
success stories. The NBA is better when New York is good.
It's just big. I was talking to a friend a
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couple of days ago. During the game, I'm like, I
don't even remember a series like this. New York has
one star. He's not playing well. The other star is missing.
You're playing a team with two stars, one who's considered
a superstar, the other is an emerging star. And New
York's clearly late in games the better team. It's contagious.
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You become a Knicks fan watching. The question being if
we don't view them as a championship team. They're not
Boston or Denver. They don't have those scoring options.
Speaker 7 (17:34):
They don't feel like they're there yet.
Speaker 1 (17:35):
That's right there. You can see they're overachieving at this point.
You know the organization they've been really rarely patient in
twenty years, but they have been for two years. Like
really about Tibbs, Jalen Growth, like really well run. The
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Knicks are a well run franchise. They are going to
make a.
Speaker 6 (17:59):
Move, yeah, no question, you look at what they're going
to do. And by the way, they already kind of
made a move in by bringing in Ojan Andobi. Yes,
and he's not guaranteed to stay there, but his agent
is the son of Leon Rose, so Lamb Rose or
Tips is slam Rose, I think is his son, and.
Speaker 1 (18:14):
He would be a great three too. Yeah, he's a
great three potential championship team.
Speaker 6 (18:19):
And by the way, Jalen Brunson is the son right
a former Nick, so he had the inside track on that.
Speaker 7 (18:25):
And Leon I believe is his godfather. So the idea.
Speaker 6 (18:28):
That they knew the pieces to plug in Leon is
so connected, right, and that the team has been so
well run since he came in, since he brought.
Speaker 1 (18:38):
Tibbs, so long has he been there a few.
Speaker 7 (18:39):
Years as you point out.
Speaker 6 (18:40):
And and by the way, I thought there was really
interesting that the athletic put out a survey, a player survey, right,
and for the third year in a row, Tibbs was
voted the coach You'd least like to play for, and
I'm sure that's a reference to all the minutes he
plays guys right in the perception he runs guys into
the ground.
Speaker 7 (18:56):
Guess what. The guys on that New.
Speaker 6 (18:58):
York team play for Tibbs in a way way that
you don't see in a lot of franchises around the NBA.
Speaker 1 (19:03):
And Rachel it is a fairly young team. He's not
asking a lot of old Now there's a you know,
Jalen is not an old player, but it's got kind
of a Villanova feel and these are young legs.
Speaker 6 (19:14):
Yeah, I mean as literal a Villanova field because some
of the guys came from there, and the idea that, yes,
they built a team with young legs on purpose.
Speaker 7 (19:21):
He knows who his coaches.
Speaker 6 (19:22):
He knows his coach is gonna run those guys ragged,
and he's built a team that can withstand that. And
they play aggressively, they play with heart, they play for
each other. That's what you're seeing at the end of
these games in New York, and the crowd feeds into it.
I do expect things to be a little bit different
in Philadelphia, but I also expect this series to somewhat
go as Joellenbieko's.
Speaker 7 (19:42):
There was a point in the fourth.
Speaker 6 (19:43):
Quarter where he's running up the court and he actually
hopped on one leg because he just couldn't put weight
on his other knee in the way that he wanted to.
He doesn't have a lyft on a lot of his
jump shots, and I think that when you see that,
even though you heard him after the game say we're
the better team, We're still gonna win this series. Is
hard to envision him being back to one hundred percent
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while this steries is still going on.
Speaker 1 (20:05):
Yeah, there are teams. It really is funny we say
this all the time. I feel bad for sports fans
who have bad owners Washington for years. Yes, you're trapped
as a Commander fan, absolutely, Now you have new ownership
Al Davis. At the end that felt trapped and there's
not much to get out of that in the NFL
except if you hit a transcendent quarterback in the Knicks
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for years, I mean, James Dolan still owns it, but
they the front office was impatient. There was pressure. There
is no question. If you watch the next the last
two to three years, you're like, oh, this is a
well run franchise.
Speaker 6 (20:41):
Dolan finally got to the point where he did what
he said he was going to do for the ten
years prior, which was let the basketball people.
Speaker 4 (20:47):
He did do the basketball fan Is that.
Speaker 1 (20:49):
Part of that? Because he was building the severe in
his maybe got bigger.
Speaker 6 (20:54):
I mean he told the New York Times, I don't
even like owning a basketball team that much.
Speaker 7 (20:57):
I mean, it was pretty amazing.
Speaker 6 (21:00):
But maybe it was the right combination of him having
failed enough times to finally Learner's lesson and Leon coming
around and being available and being someone who wanted to
run the team, and having just such great authority with
his former life as an agent, and having such great
player relationships and understanding how the game works. But it's
all come together, and as you said, they still have room,
They still have the assets to add someone, and that's
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what's going to be really fun. And by the way,
the Lakers are going to have the assets to add
someone this summer too, So I think we'll see another shift.
Speaker 7 (21:28):
But with the Knicks, as long as it.
Speaker 6 (21:30):
Goes the fact that they're facing an injured, beat up
six or s team with Joelle Embiid, hurt.
Speaker 7 (21:35):
Tyres Maxi Sick, etc.
Speaker 6 (21:37):
And then if they advance in Philadelphia, is still something
to say about that, right, But if New York advances,
they're facing either a young, not that experienced Pacers team
or a Milwaukee team with a possibly shaky Giannis.
Speaker 7 (21:50):
So it's an interesting path. You can certainly see a
path for.
Speaker 6 (21:55):
It's possible to get to New York to the Eastern
Conference Finals, which is not what you would have expected
with Julius randall at and over.
Speaker 1 (22:00):
Five years with sort of low juice Denver, OKC, Minnesota,
many of the very good teams Orlando or smaller markets,
it feels like the Knicks are really big. The league
needs the next you'll have the Celtics, but Denver's kind
of the San Antonio spurs low wattage in terms of
high profile great construct love watching them, totally respect them,
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but it feels like there's this opening for the Knicks,
and I've just they're impossible to watch and not like.
Speaker 7 (22:29):
And also it's time.
Speaker 6 (22:30):
I know, if you're a small market fan, I understand
that feeling of man Lakers get everyone every year, that
kind of thing. The Knicks have had nothing good happen
in so long. You can't feel like man, the Knix
always get everything. No, the Knicks are scrappy.
Speaker 7 (22:44):
They haven't gotten everything for a very long time. It's
fun to see this.
Speaker 1 (22:47):
It was so perfect that the game winning play was
a loose ball on the floor. That was so Nicks
that in a nutshell is the Knicks. It wasn't a
glamorous thrill. It was just balls on the floor, scrum, rugby,
go get it. Nixt came out of it, even Enzo
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Speaker 3 (23:49):
Yeah, you know, we're contractually obligated to talk Cowboys every show.
Speaker 4 (23:53):
So Mike McCarthy colin entering a final year.
Speaker 3 (23:57):
Of his deal with the Cowboys, and does uh any
assurances from Jerry Jones to Tobie Back.
Speaker 4 (24:03):
There's been some off season chatter about the roster.
Speaker 3 (24:06):
It's not looking good in preparation for McCarthy's final year.
Speaker 4 (24:10):
This is interesting. He made a notable move. He hired
a new agent. His new agent is Don Yee, who.
Speaker 1 (24:16):
You probably know there, Tom Brady's agent, Harbaugh's agent, and
Sean Payton's agent.
Speaker 3 (24:25):
I think McCarthy is McCarthy sees the writing on the wall,
like the roster's not what it was.
Speaker 4 (24:31):
Dak doesn't have a deal.
Speaker 1 (24:32):
About Mike McCarthy upgrades from the Cowboys. You all think
he's getting fired. How about McCarthy upgrades? Where's he going
to a better quarterback?
Speaker 3 (24:42):
Okay?
Speaker 4 (24:43):
Who where?
Speaker 6 (24:44):
Fine?
Speaker 1 (24:44):
Find me.
Speaker 3 (24:45):
I'm not saying Dak is the end all be all,
but find me where he's gonna upgrade. Who's dumping their
coach to get McCarthy's There's no that's the problem. Like, Okay,
let's say jets is open. We'll talk jetson bills is open?
Speaker 1 (25:00):
How about a rekindling Aaron Rodgers with a defensive coach,
losing record, being mocked.
Speaker 4 (25:06):
Aaron says, Yeah, Aaron and McCarthy the way things ended
with them.
Speaker 1 (25:09):
And well, a lot of things end poorly. You ever
heard of facebook? You go back and rekindle that love
from high school in college. Mike McCarthy and Aaron Rodgers
fall in love again.
Speaker 4 (25:18):
That would be a shocker.
Speaker 1 (25:20):
I just.
Speaker 3 (25:22):
I think McCarthy ends up. I'll say this, he's doing
TV next year at this time.
Speaker 1 (25:26):
I don't think he'd be bad at that.
Speaker 5 (25:28):
I don't.
Speaker 1 (25:29):
Here's my thing with McCarthy. He's a solid coach. You can't.
You can't win twelve games a year, super Bowl.
Speaker 4 (25:34):
You're better than solid?
Speaker 1 (25:35):
Come on, yeah, no, I'm not knocking him. I think
he's been a little bit of a BS or sometimes.
Aren't we all caught? And well that's a good point.
Aren't we all?
Speaker 4 (25:46):
I mean me less than you?
Speaker 1 (25:47):
But aren't we all selling ourselves a little more than yes?
Out there throwing you know other than Ryan who just
head down hockey scores most of us are out there
promoting and selling ourselves a little more than we should.
Speaker 4 (25:59):
Stump in our chests.
Speaker 3 (26:04):
Listen, I think it's gonna be a fun season in Dallas.
I've already pushed my chips in the Dion Sanders camp.
Speaker 4 (26:10):
Next year in Dallas, that's my.
Speaker 1 (26:12):
Well, Sanders will be the number one quarterback taken.
Speaker 3 (26:15):
Potentially Dallas would have to trade up for him, but
you get that reset quarterback on the rookie deal.
Speaker 1 (26:21):
I still think Dallas and the Jets should both draft
quarterbacks in the second round. Well, Jets don't have a second,
but I can see the Jets if the Jets moved
down out of this space and got like a second
Spencer Rattler. Oh no, no, no, I like the kid
from Tulane pratt.
Speaker 4 (26:37):
Sam Hartman too, just too pretty for Dallas. Huh, you
hate what I rig up on.
Speaker 1 (26:41):
Sam Hartman's a backup.
Speaker 3 (26:43):
So they said about rock Perty, Okay, moving on to
the Jets.
Speaker 4 (26:46):
How about it?
Speaker 3 (26:47):
Oh, Colin, this is not a great report. Okay, a
recent report from Rich Somoni.
Speaker 1 (26:54):
He's very connected.
Speaker 4 (26:56):
He's been covering the Jets forever.
Speaker 3 (26:57):
If things don't go well in New York this season,
the team could be looking at an organizational reset that
shouldn't surprise anyming.
Speaker 1 (27:03):
Okay, so let's ask yourself. Rich is very connected. I
don't you know? I mightn't.
Speaker 4 (27:06):
I mean I don't know him personally by following him forever.
Speaker 1 (27:09):
So okay, so here's the question. So he's not saying
that out of the blue. He's got so somebody told
him that. So my take is as my somebody that
I had great regard for, Nick conn once told me
companies make decisions six months before they get rid of
they're getting ready of you. So the question becomes, when
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do they decide organizational reset. So in an AFC where
Miami and Buffalo are going to be good teams, you
can't fall behind. I believe the Jets for Aaron's personality
and demeanor, for Sala's reassurance, I think the Jets have
to start fast. I think they have to start like
four and one, three and two. I believe that they
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start one in three, two and five. Aaron's going to turn.
He'll starting pointing. Saula is going to be very protective,
not as Aaron friendly. I think this thing could go sideways.
Sure by week six, like there's some teams in this
league that need to win early. Chicago, they've got to
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be competitive early or or eber flust in big trouble.
Speaker 4 (28:16):
You can't go one because they have a rookie quarter truth, but.
Speaker 1 (28:19):
You gotta win early. The Jets have to meet the
Jets have to win early.
Speaker 3 (28:22):
Well, listen, if they make the playoffs, let's just go there.
I think they win the division if they make the playoffs.
Speaker 4 (28:28):
Is Sala and Roger do they both return?
Speaker 1 (28:30):
Yes? God, yes, God, yes. You can't go from a
story about organizational reset to I think they're gonna make
the playoffs.
Speaker 4 (28:40):
Okay, okay, So what is making the playoffs?
Speaker 1 (28:42):
The forty?
Speaker 4 (28:43):
What is he? Aaron Rodgers forty eight years old?
Speaker 3 (28:44):
Now, I mean when he got here it was like
definitely one year so a second.
Speaker 1 (28:51):
So what you know what organizational reset says to me,
we're getting rid of Aaron.
Speaker 4 (28:56):
Good, get him out.
Speaker 1 (28:58):
The organizational reet isn't we're drafting a corner. Organizational reset
is we're two and five, we make a decision upstairs,
we're moving things. Ask yourself, this problem is, how about this?
How about this? Does Aaron have a no trade clause? Alex?
Do we know that? How about that. Let me throw
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this at you. You think it's crazy.
Speaker 4 (29:20):
Oh wait a minute, you're trading Aaron Rod.
Speaker 1 (29:22):
No, you start two and five, You go into week
eight and a team like Detroit loses god or a
good team loses a quarterback, and somebody says, we'll take
eron for nine weeks, we have a super Bowl roster,
and the Jets say clean break, start over number two
pick in the draft. Boom, Oh Aaron has a no
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trade clause. Well, but I'll tell you what aeron. If
it goes too and five, Detroit looks pretty good.
Speaker 4 (29:48):
Probably go to Detroit. Rub Green Bay's facing it absolutely again.
So many things have to happen for that. Here's my question.
You want to draft a quarterback.
Speaker 3 (29:56):
If the Jets it's a fourth round, do you trust
Joe Douglas with it?
Speaker 4 (30:00):
Yes, he drafted Zach Wilson.
Speaker 1 (30:03):
Well, so what he also drafted the defense?
Speaker 4 (30:05):
Anybody could draft defense?
Speaker 3 (30:07):
Oh fuck, come on, you know how hard it is
to draft the quarterback?
Speaker 1 (30:11):
Well, I'm not saying it's if the Packers are the
only team that have done it three straight times, but
it's But I would say this for years. If you
look at first round picks in the last twenty drafts,
it's harder to draft a receiver and tied end than
a quarter.
Speaker 3 (30:23):
Okay, how about this, this is just this is crazy.
Jets are on the clock at ten. Nobody's traded up
for McCarthy. Do the Jets sakes, I get McCarthy in
red shirt?
Speaker 1 (30:33):
Well, I could see Minnesota at eleven. Well, no, do
the Jets sick. I can see the Raiders at thirteen
If nobody has McCarthy, I can see the Raiders moving
up like three shots. Say we don't.
Speaker 4 (30:45):
We're not giving up the pick. We need a quarterback
in the future.
Speaker 1 (30:48):
No, they're not gonna They're not gonna. Know. Aaron's too prickly.
You got to go all in with Aaron. Now, you
can't do that with Aaron. First of all, Brady got
insecure with Jimmy Garoppolo, so these quarterbacks.
Speaker 4 (30:58):
And Rogers hated it when they took it.
Speaker 1 (30:59):
Yeah, you see, we can't do that to Aaron.
Speaker 4 (31:01):
But Rodgers ended up winning the MVP Award.
Speaker 1 (31:05):
Let's get the Jets aren't doing that. They're gonna get
a tackler or a receiver or a tight end. They're not
doing that. But if I'm the Jets and I have ten,
and I get a call from like the Raiders, and
the Raiders are like, it's too rich for us to
go to two or three or four. I would, but
they may be. That's where it gets interesting for the Jets.
Becaure's the difference between the tenth player and the thirteenth
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negligible if there's no difference.
Speaker 3 (31:26):
The good war rooms are discussing stuff like that. I
know it sounds crazy, and I prefaced it with saying,
this is crazy. You have to at least consider that stuff. Colin,
you gotta think cover all bases and Anyway's final story
is uh, Indiana Pacers got the first road dub of
the NBA Playoffs. Film teams had been twelve and oher
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Pacers route the Bucks, and I mean this was a
Pascal Siakam special. They had to double team him late
in the game. Pacers look, man, Pacers look really good.
And there's some troubling news for the Bucks. The report
is Yiannis is getting closer to a return, but there's
no official timeline.
Speaker 1 (32:04):
Okay, so they're gonna go to Indiana, lose that game,
be down two to one, and Giannis comes back for
game four, and that's the season.
Speaker 4 (32:12):
And Yanni's trying to save the day on a bum cap.
Speaker 1 (32:13):
Well, no, I mean I but I think if you're them,
you won the first game, so you made a decision
at that point, at the earliest he's coming back. After
you won the first game, you could say to yourself,
let's get the game four, even if we lose the
next two. We won the first game, so I can
think Milwaukee after that happens at Giannis. Game four is
what we're targeting. So you want to win game two
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and three, but that got you the game four.
Speaker 3 (32:36):
I know a lot of buzz on the Damian Lillar
first half in Game one, Colin Damian Lillard has not
scored a point in the fourth quarter, and he hasn't
made a three pointer in the second half of the series.
He is going all in in the first half, spending
all his energy memories at a little older and the
supporting cast is real weak. They got they've been boat
raced since that first half of Game one.
Speaker 4 (32:56):
This is it Bucks team in trouble like in My
Pacers wager.
Speaker 2 (33:00):
Jamie, Well, that's the news, and thanks for stopping by
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Speaker 1 (33:56):
All right, good stuff. Draft tomorrow. Not a thing can
set an NFL franchise back to than a blown draft,
and nothing can turn it around faster than nailing a draft. Houston, Texans.
I've got a very simple evaluation for all you gms
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out there on the eve of the draft, and here
it is. NFL gms, Listen up, because the next ninety
seconds might just save your job. Everybody knows the draft
is an inexact science. Talents everywhere, but finding it often
requires more luck than skill. Even with the number one
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overall pick. It's a glorified game of craps. Sometimes your
roll of Joe Burrow and sometimes you roll a JaMarcus Russell.
With all that unpredictability, gms are constantly looking for hack
a cheat code, and their new favorite cheat code is speeded.
But here's the thing. Everywhere running backs, corners, linebackers, even quarterbacks,
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the man upstairs gives it out like candy. You can
find it in the first round or the seventh. If
you're simply looking for speed, folks, there was a whole
sport inventage just for you. It's called track and Feel.
But there is one position where all the great players
come off the board. Early offensive tackle. If your quarterback
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is worth his weight in gold, left tackle is the
enormous safe you protect him with. Because, unlike speed, the
man upstairs does not grant size to a lot of humans.
Great left tackles who are six six three ten minimum
with great feet the planet usually gives us about one
a year. That's it. You can make the argument that
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the fifteen best left tackles ever were all first rounders.
As George Young, the late great gem of the New
York Giants, used to say, went in doubt draft big
in what is possibly the best tackle draft ever. Jams.
Don't overthink it. You want to keep your job. We're
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here to help take heed size over speed and Daniel
Jeremiah just tweeted this former multiple team scout to summarize
my last five phone calls. Everybody is moving up for
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an offensive tackle. To my piece, it is the singular
position in the history of this league. Almost all the
great ones are first round and this is the best
first round for offensive tackle talent in forever. Get a tackle.
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Speed receivers, with few exceptions, are everywhere. So the Phoenix
Suns have been a great disappointment to me. I had
them in the Western Conference finals and then stubbornly I
doubled down and said I like them to beat Minnesota
because I thought they played really well at the end
of the year and I thought Bradley Beal had found
his groove. Charles Barkley last night on TNT after another
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Son's loss.
Speaker 8 (37:18):
They never addressed the point guard situation, which They definitely
needed it as a point and they needed another big body.
That's one of the things we talked about in the
trade deadline. They need to have those three guys finishing
instead of initiating their offense. And they could play at
a much faster pace. Because Minnesota is such a big team,
it's tough to score on them in the half court.
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You got two seven foot guys out there, so it's
really difficult. So the only way to do that is
really speed the tempo up. And they didn't addressed the
point guard situation. They didn't even need a great point guard.
They didn't need a serviceable point guard.
Speaker 2 (37:52):
You know.
Speaker 1 (37:53):
To Barkley's point. The Clippers last year when they got
James Harden, remember this, j Mac, we both said, I
don't really get it, but he was a point guard.
He's a guard that lubricates it. And when you watch
the Suns in the regular season, you don't miss it
as much because people don't play with the same defensive intensity.
The other thing that happens in the playoffs is that
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you play the same team over and over, so if
you have a deficiency, teams will just burrow into it.
A lot of times you come into town. You watch
some film, guys are distracted, guys are tired, third game,
fifth night. But in the playoffs, everybody's equally arrested, same team,
same weakness, and so it's often not the best, the
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high end that wins a playoff series. It's the team
that has the biggest hole that loses a series. And
right now, the biggest hole in the playoffs is Phoenix
doesn't have a point guard. It's not your greatest asset.
Philadelphia has got better players than New York, but they're
lacking in effort. They're lacking in continuity. Remember MB missed
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a big chunk of the season. So Phoenix has as
a hole and the Tea Wolves are just burrowing in
on the hole. They can't lubricate that offense. They don't
have a point guard. This was the Clippers problem last year.
They have solved it with James Harden, even though he's
an imperfect player. So I said this yesterday, what, in
your opinion is Kevin Durant if he gets whacked in
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the first round of this series, you can make no
other argument other than leaving Golden State has been for
his legacy punitive disaster in Brooklyn. Brooklyn was a playoff
team before I got there, and in Phoenix this has
been a disaster. I mean, not making the playoffs is worse,
but you get beat in four to five games by Minnesota.
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That's not great for the legacy.
Speaker 3 (39:45):
I don't know it kind of you know, when you
watch him on offense, it feels a little your turn,
my turn to come down, kd Io. I'm gonna take
cat to school, and then next time down to Devin Booker.
You stand in the corner, Bradley Beal's gonna cook on
a pick, and like, I just feel like that's archaic basketball.
Speaker 4 (39:59):
It doesn't work, and I don't know that there's a
quick fix.
Speaker 3 (40:02):
Again, I think they win Game three, but Colin, are
they taking four out of five against the best defensive
team in the league. That's what the Timperwolves were. By
the way, Rudy Gobert is a problem at the rim.
Did you see how many mislayups the sunset? His length
is just making them ultra shots, just enough to miss
a lot of closes.
Speaker 1 (40:19):
I remember when I used I went to about three
Utah Jazz games when he was in. Conley was there,
and Rudy Gobert was there, and at the time Quinn
Snyder was coaching, and Rudy Gobert is one of those
players that you have to see him live to understand
it that among NBA players who are six seven and
a half on average, he is completely different. It's like Wemby.
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I have friends that have gone to see Wemby in person.
It's like television doesn't do it justice. Steve Nash is
taller than me and I'm six two, Like, you don't
understand how big NBA players are, and then Wemby makes
them look tiny. And so when you go watch Rudy
Gobert in person. I remember Utah times. The offense was
sometimes they would just throw it up and Rudy would
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have a match and they throw it off the glass
and Rudy would just catch it, dunk it. He is
just there's this unicorn thing. Wemby, go bear. There's no answer.
They're just uniquely built.
Speaker 4 (41:15):
One of the issues though, when he was in Utah
was those playoff teams.
Speaker 3 (41:18):
He would be played off the floor in gis so
moments haven't been able to solve that and get him
off the court.
Speaker 4 (41:23):
It's like vogel Bro step it up. Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 1 (41:27):
Who's tonight? Who's playing tonight?
Speaker 3 (41:29):
It's the Pelicans, OKC and then Miami Boston. So it's
actually a good night to hang with your family, maybe
FaceTime the wife for an hour, you want to go
out for a beverage. Not a great night of NBA,
and you got to pace yourself for tomorrow with the draft.
Speaker 1 (41:43):
Oh tomorrow, I won't. I won't leave the house this weekend.
And Lakers, Yeah, this weekend is just I hope Uh
Chick fil a is ready to deliver my orders. Love
you on door dash all weekend.
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Speaker 1 (00:26):
All right, here we go our two live in Los Angeles.
It's the Herd. Wherever you may be and however you
may be listening. Thanks for making us part of your day. Jmac. Tomorrow,
at this time, the draft will be percolating, moves could
be made, the chess piece is being altered.
Speaker 3 (00:45):
My guess is no trades before the draft, and during
the first round we're going to see live three or
four Scott. I think it's gonna be cha. And one
of the crazier drafts were trades.
Speaker 1 (00:54):
And hopefully you're not watching it.
Speaker 4 (00:56):
Your men's league.
Speaker 1 (00:57):
You're dialed in. I don't have time for I'll be
on the couch, feed up, make myself some nachos.
Speaker 3 (01:04):
By the way, if you know Jordan Schultz loves me
talking about the men's league, he went to run with
us like it's a thing now, Okay, people love it.
Speaker 4 (01:11):
Not more than the.
Speaker 3 (01:12):
Draft, of course, but yeah, of course, or your weightlifting stories.
Speaker 1 (01:17):
So the NFL draft the Raiders, this is interesting and
I appreciate this, and I like their GM. They attempted
to trade up to number two overall from thirteen and
so I have this theory on the Raiders that I
grew up and in the seventies I became a sports fan.
I collected NBA cards, baseball cards. I liked NBA cards.
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I was the only kid that liked NBA cards more
than baseball cards. And the Warriors won a title in
the seventies, and the Raiders won a Super Bowl in
the seventies, a couple in the eighties, but the seventies
was a very romantic time in the Bay Area. You
had these passionate fan bases. They were winning Super Bowls
or NBA finals. You had iconic players like Fred Blitnikoff
and Kenny Stabler and Rick Barry, and then mostly you know,
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the last twenty five years before Steph Curry, the Warriors were.
The Warriors were irrelevant pre Steph Curry for about thirty years,
some tim hardaway years, but mostly irrelevant and the Raiders
have been irrelevant for like twenty two years. They have
the second worst record in the NFL in the last
twenty twenty one years, worse than Cleveland. And so my
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take is the Raiders need their Steph Curry. They need
their Steph Curry. And I believe to move from thirteen
to two or three can get you Jaden Daniels, who
I think is Steph little finn little, small, but electric,
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dynamic and a dominant conference comes out and the smart
people see the greatness. Brian Kelly, LSU coach, Jayden's coach
last couple of years, talked about what he could be
and what he was at LSU his first.
Speaker 3 (02:58):
Year where he struggled that times, he was the same
guy each and every week he went to work.
Speaker 1 (03:05):
He continued to lead, He worked on his craft.
Speaker 3 (03:09):
So you know this is a guy that you know
he can handle the ups and downs of it.
Speaker 4 (03:13):
He is a flat out playmaker. He will he'll change
the look.
Speaker 1 (03:17):
Of your franchise.
Speaker 5 (03:19):
And I think that that's why I believe he's the
best quarterback in the draft.
Speaker 1 (03:24):
So to move from thirteen to two, I tell my
daughter this, don't seek happiness. It's not in the couch.
It's not in the it's not in the dry cleaner,
it's not in a laundry. Don't seek happiness, create it,
make it. You can sit at thirteen and hope the
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fourth best quarterback falls to you, or you can create
winning moving up. Everybody's seeking things. Stop it, create it.
Raiders have no one. They have no momentum as a franchise.
This isn't San Francisco rolling the dice. That's a winning franchise.
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They took a swing and missed. This is a laughing
stock for twenty years. They're not in the Let's see
if greatness falls to us. Kansas City was a winning franchise.
They moved up right. They moved up to get Mahomes.
Green Day was a winning franchise, and they moved up
for Jordan Love. The Raiders are a laughing stock for
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twenty years. Don't see happiness, create happiness, create it, make
it happen. This is a franchise for twenty two years.
I didn't even look up. I was told they had
the second worst record, worse than Cleveland in the last twenty years.
I wouldn't be in the sit around and wait for
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somebody to fall to me. You got to make something
happen because that waiting and having guys fall to you,
it's not working at all. It's not working. So the
Raiders are at thirteen three. You know the Chargers. You
know the Chargers want to move down. I don't care
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if they're in your division. You got to figure out
you not worry about the Chargers, the Chiefs, and the Broncos.
So to me the Raiders, you say, well, well, you'd
have to give up a lot. Well, what would you
be giving up? You have a one in twenty years.
What are you giving up San Francisco. Giving up picks
is different. They're on the precipice of a Super Bowl.
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You're giving up stuff. You're giving up draft picks that
could become starters on a great team. That that can
be tougher. It can be tougher to be a great
team and say, oh, we're gonna give up two first
round picks. You may need those to beat the Chiefs,
the Bills, the Ravens, the Niners, the Liiant You may
need those. Let's not what the Raiders are. Raiders aren't
competitive for the best team. Raiders are the third best,
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probably fourth best roster in our division. You got to
take swings. So I like the idea. They called Washington,
they tried to move up. I'd keep calling. I'd make
them make a deal if I could. And with that
covering the NBA since nineteen ninety three, she's created momentum.
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Rachel Nichols is joining us on the show again. Last
time I had you on the show, I had more
people stop me, My friends say, get Rachel on the
show more. So that's what we do, Rachel. We listen
to our audience.
Speaker 6 (06:27):
I appreciate that. And the checks are in the mail paper.
Who contributed there thinks.
Speaker 1 (06:31):
So I was not only wrong on Phoenix in the
regular season, I said I'm gonna end up in the
Western Conference finals big with I was wrong in the
posts and I picked him over Minnesota. And I watched
this series and I gotta be honest, Rachel, I don't
see a ton of energy Kevin Durant scoring Booker's cooked.
Speaker 6 (06:49):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (06:50):
Are you surprised? Are people in the league surprised by this?
Speaker 7 (06:53):
No, I'm not surprised at all.
Speaker 6 (06:54):
I was the opposite of you and got a ton
of criticism from the people out in the world of
why don't you leave in the Suns. They've got some
of the best shooters in the league. They do, they
just don't have the rest of the roster. And that
is the problem. The way this roster is constructed, it's
not fair to those stars because they don't have the
rest of the team around them that say Minnesota has.
Minnesota is a team. If you looked at Ant, he
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got a ton of defensive attention last night. Wasn't able
to score in Game two the way he did.
Speaker 7 (07:20):
In Game one. Karl Anthony Towns.
Speaker 6 (07:22):
Got in foul trouble, wasn't able to score the way
he did in Game one. Guess what, Jade McDaniel steps up,
Mike Conley steps up.
Speaker 7 (07:29):
That's a team, Rudy Gobert is. They're on defense, defensive
player of the year. The Suns don't have that. The
way this roster is constructed.
Speaker 6 (07:36):
It is so top heavy, and even within that, there's
no true point guard, there's no ball handler, there's no
one getting these guys the ball where they need it
to be. That is not a recipe for success. They're
going to be limited going forward, and now we're going
to face questions this offseason. I mean, look, by the
way I think Phoenix can win a game or two
in this series. I don't think they're winning four of
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the next five.
Speaker 1 (07:57):
Yeah, you could tell in game one. It's interesting because
they beat the Tea Wolves in three matchups regular season
by double digits. But regular season is different. You play.
I mean, I think we all know this defense has
become much more important in the playoffs. They are calling
it marginal contact. The whistles are drying up. These are
defensive teams are flourishing. The Knicks are flourishing. Phillies better offense,
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Knicks are better defense. Cleveland's a good defensive team. Orlando's
a good defensive team. So yeah, you know, we've talked
about Kevin durant Is, and I think a lot of
it is international soccer in the NBA are very star
driven and Ronaldo can move around and you just go
get the money, and we all say it's fine, you
go get yours. In the NFL, like if Mahomes left
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to the Jets because he had a friend who played
wide receiver.
Speaker 7 (08:44):
We'd be much more disturbed by that.
Speaker 1 (08:46):
What are you doing? Yes, But in basketball, like go
get yours. I mean a lot of mobility. But there
is something about kd Is that he left in the
penthouse of the league for a remodel and a reboot,
and neither is worked affect his legacy.
Speaker 6 (09:01):
Look, I think the mistake. There's an argument that Kevin
never should have left Golden State. I don't care what
yeah people outside noise were saying. Right, it's a great team.
That was one of the greatest teams of all time.
Let's see what you could do.
Speaker 7 (09:13):
Let's maximize that to its full potential.
Speaker 6 (09:15):
That was a disappointment if you're just a true basketball fan,
getting to see how far they could have gotten if
they had stayed together would have been really cool. I
feel the same way about Jack and Kobe. I would
have loved to have seen them stay together. If he
was going to leave, why didn't he go to the Knicks?
Man and I know, ever in New York, you're very
happy now, I get it. But can you imagine Kevin
Durant if he went to Madison Square Garden and they
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were still able to build the quality of team around
him that they have built now with that kind of
good management, he'd be a hero.
Speaker 7 (09:43):
I mean, his entire.
Speaker 6 (09:44):
Legacy would be different, The way people thought of him
would be different. He'd never buy another meal again in
New York City or possibly around the country.
Speaker 1 (09:50):
That was what's interesting. He not only left the Warriors,
but he went to New York's second brand, And it's like,
that's like going to the Mets over the Yankees, and
you have a ChIL If you're Garrett Cole and they
both offer you, you'd go to the Yankees.
Speaker 6 (10:03):
Yes, yes, And by the way, everyone in that fan
base was starving for a big star member. They couldn't
get Lebron, they couldn't get Sown, so they couldn't get Sown.
So if he came, the victory parade just from him
signing would have been tremendous. And then what if he
got into a conference finals? What if he got them
to an NBA finals, forget a championship.
Speaker 7 (10:21):
People weren't been just ballistically happy.
Speaker 1 (10:23):
We were talking Jay McK and I Rachel talked about
this the other day. There is something that is profound.
I remember when I first fell in love with the
NBA in the seventies and eighties, and part of the
attraction I'm a small town, rural kid, was Diane Cannon,
Jack Nicholson. That's where stars were at. I've never seen
stars at sporting events and you're like, oh, stars, they're
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pretty good. I'm watching the Knicks games. There is no
question they feel bigger. I got guys from the Sopranos,
I got Ben Stiller, I Gotston Bateman. Yes, it matters.
It feels the league. It feels big, and that's what's
entering with Kevin. It's one thing to leave the great team.
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If Mahomes ever left, you know he would go to
a great coach. Hey, I want to go with Sean Payton.
I want to go with Sean McVay, Like Stafford's like,
I'm going to go find the guy. It's a weird
move and it has not worked out. So Milwaukee Indiana, Yeah,
this could be a problem from the beginning. Janice has hurt.
Indiana's a tough matchup. Yeah, Milwaukee's old. You kind of
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feel if Jannis is there, the NBA's swallowed the whistles.
They'll figure it out. But where are we inside that organization?
So let's say Jannis comes back, is it game three?
They think?
Speaker 6 (11:39):
First of all, nobody has projected when he's going to
come back. The update was from Doc Rivers. He's closer. Well,
closer could mean a lot of things, right. I mean,
I'm closer to being eighty years old. I'm not near
it yet though, So I just think we don't know,
and I have to say I'm not I'm not a doctor,
I don't even play one on TV, and I'm not
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inside the Bucks organization. I would be whatever is more
conservative than conservative about bringing Yanni's back. We have seen
calf strains precede achilles injuries more than once. Kevin Durant
went through it, and when he did, he missed the
entire next year and the playoffs the following year. And
by the way, yes he has come back. He's not
quite the player he was. He's pretty close, which is very,
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very impressive, but he has a totally different shooting style
and body.
Speaker 7 (12:25):
Type than Yani sent to COOMP.
Speaker 6 (12:26):
He's a completely different player Yannis at his size, with
the way he plays, if he had to recover from
an achilles tear, that's a very very troubling scenario. And
if I'm the Bucks, this first round series, as disappointing
as it is, would not be worth it to me
to rush him back in any way or even do
the averages. I would be on the conservative side of
conservative with him and if that's the case, gosh, it
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looks like the Pacers would win this series. Because the
real key for the Bucks was going to be as
efficient as possible. Make your shots so that the Pacers,
who are younger and more athletic, can't start running around
in transition right because they're faster. And when you have
Janni said to Takoupo, who's a two time MVP with
his skill set not there when you don't have him
drawing devil teams off Damian Lillard, when you don't have
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those easy buckets, he can get inside. You're just given
the Pacers transition opportunities. And they did a twenty three to.
Speaker 7 (13:18):
Four run the other day in the fourth quarter. I mean,
that's what's going to happen.
Speaker 1 (13:21):
So there's always been this feeling that when Lebron came
to your franchise, you sacrificed everything to win now and
that used to reward you with final appearances. It was
a lock in sports Nick Saban would win the sec
Lebron would get to the finals. Yes, two locks in spours, okay,
and then Lebron now guarantees you're interesting, but he doesn't
guarantee anything in the playoffs. Especially in the much deeper West.
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And so when I suggested, I didn't think it was
a hot take. I said, you know, they match up
really well with OKC, and they're not built to win
the championship anyway. My concern is when they lose to
Denver again in four, the repercussions of losing, He'll want
Darvin hamout be gone. They'll have questions about Austin Reeves
that they're not constructed to beat Denver, They're constructed to
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match up with them. Yeah, but Lebron has to literally
play forty minutes and play brilliant, and the team has
to play perfect to win. And so now we are
a couple of weeks after that take, right where we
thought we would be. You're down love to you probably
win a game, maybe, But what are the repercussions Lebron's
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businesses here? Yeah, but now his son could get drafted,
could go elsewhere, little less loyalty. Is there any possibility
or discussion. By the way, a story leaked yesterday. Did
you notice this story leaked? Darvin Ham will be back.
That was the Lakers ensuring everybody knew, don't blame the coach.
We're not moving off the coach at you know how
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new stuff gets out when people want it out. Yes,
this is this a border skirmish. Is if they get swept?
How do you feel about that?
Speaker 7 (14:57):
Look, I'm with you.
Speaker 6 (14:58):
I think the Lakers when at least one game, maybe
they win two games, but they're not winning again four
of the next five, they're not winning this series. And
they really were never set up to win the series,
to your point. And it's funny we used to call
in the East when Lebron made it to eight finals
in a row. I used to say, Oh, it's the
Lebron James Invitational, not the NBA Finals. Lebron James Invitational.
That brick wall that Lebron put up in the Eastern
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Conference for all those years, that is what Nikolaiokich is
starting to build in the West. And it is possible
that no other team while he is in his prime
and that Denver team is constructed the way it is,
and he in the partnership that he has with Jamal
Murray and the chemistry they have toward the end of
games with the entire team, it's possible no one's going
to break through the brick wall that they're starting to
build there. But they're definitely not doing it with this roster.
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I don't think it's just Lebron that's having some questions
about the way the organization runs. Anthony Davis came out
after the game and said, there are times we don't
know what we're doing on both ends.
Speaker 7 (15:55):
Of the floor.
Speaker 4 (15:56):
I heard that you're around the what.
Speaker 6 (15:57):
Ninetieth game of the season, between the season and play
in and the n season tournament and whatever, you got
to know what you're doing on both ends of the floor.
And by the way, you're playing a team in Denver
that knows exactly what they're doing and every moment they're
on the court, and that is a coaching thing.
Speaker 7 (16:11):
And it's not the first time that AD.
Speaker 6 (16:13):
Has said something like that, which seems like a side
swipe at Darvin Ham. I don't blame Darvin Haam as
much as Laker Nation does. Laker Nation is never happy
with the coach, but I do think that you have
to listen to the signals you're getting from the locker room,
and you're getting some pretty loud signals from Anthony.
Speaker 1 (16:27):
Davis, and they immediately leak a story that Darvin Ham
is safe. So it feels like there's tension building. The
series is only two games old. The New York story's fascinating.
Speaker 7 (16:40):
I love it.
Speaker 1 (16:41):
It's just great. And I know a lot of people
watch this show. You guys talk about the big markets,
but it should be noted the NFL is run by
a team in Kansas City. Yes, we love stores, Connecticut
and Yukon. There's plenty of small market, smaller market, Yes,
success stories. The NBA is better when New York is good.
It's just big. I was talking to a friend a
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couple of days ago. During the game, I'm like, I
don't even remember a series like this. New York has
one star. He's not playing well. The other star is missing.
You're playing a team with two stars, one who's considered
a superstar, the other is an emerging star. And New
York's clearly late in games the better team. It's contagious.
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You become a Knicks fan watching. The question being if
we don't view them as a championship team. They're not
Boston or Denver. They don't have those scoring options.
Speaker 7 (17:34):
They don't feel like they're there yet.
Speaker 1 (17:35):
That's right there. You can see they're overachieving at this point.
You know the organization they've been really rarely patient in
twenty years, but they have been for two years. Like
really about Tibbs, Jalen Growth, like really well run. The
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Knicks are a well run franchise. They are going to
make a.
Speaker 6 (17:59):
Move, yeah, no question, you look at what they're going
to do. And by the way, they already kind of
made a move in by bringing in Ojan Andobi. Yes,
and he's not guaranteed to stay there, but his agent
is the son of Leon Rose, so Lamb Rose or
Tips is slam Rose, I think is his son, and.
Speaker 1 (18:14):
He would be a great three too. Yeah, he's a
great three potential championship team.
Speaker 6 (18:19):
And by the way, Jalen Brunson is the son right
a former Nick, so he had the inside track on that.
Speaker 7 (18:25):
And Leon I believe is his godfather. So the idea.
Speaker 6 (18:28):
That they knew the pieces to plug in Leon is
so connected, right, and that the team has been so
well run since he came in, since he brought.
Speaker 1 (18:38):
Tibbs, so long has he been there a few.
Speaker 7 (18:39):
Years as you point out.
Speaker 6 (18:40):
And and by the way, I thought there was really
interesting that the athletic put out a survey, a player survey, right,
and for the third year in a row, Tibbs was
voted the coach You'd least like to play for, and
I'm sure that's a reference to all the minutes he
plays guys right in the perception he runs guys into
the ground.
Speaker 7 (18:56):
Guess what. The guys on that New.
Speaker 6 (18:58):
York team play for Tibbs in a way way that
you don't see in a lot of franchises around the NBA.
Speaker 1 (19:03):
And Rachel it is a fairly young team. He's not
asking a lot of old Now there's a you know,
Jalen is not an old player, but it's got kind
of a Villanova feel and these are young legs.
Speaker 6 (19:14):
Yeah, I mean as literal a Villanova field because some
of the guys came from there, and the idea that, yes,
they built a team with young legs on purpose.
Speaker 7 (19:21):
He knows who his coaches.
Speaker 6 (19:22):
He knows his coach is gonna run those guys ragged,
and he's built a team that can withstand that. And
they play aggressively, they play with heart, they play for
each other. That's what you're seeing at the end of
these games in New York, and the crowd feeds into it.
I do expect things to be a little bit different
in Philadelphia, but I also expect this series to somewhat
go as Joellenbieko's.
Speaker 7 (19:42):
There was a point in the fourth.
Speaker 6 (19:43):
Quarter where he's running up the court and he actually
hopped on one leg because he just couldn't put weight
on his other knee in the way that he wanted to.
He doesn't have a lyft on a lot of his
jump shots, and I think that when you see that,
even though you heard him after the game say we're
the better team, We're still gonna win this series. Is
hard to envision him being back to one hundred percent
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while this steries is still going on.
Speaker 1 (20:05):
Yeah, there are teams. It really is funny we say
this all the time. I feel bad for sports fans
who have bad owners Washington for years. Yes, you're trapped
as a Commander fan, absolutely, Now you have new ownership
Al Davis. At the end that felt trapped and there's
not much to get out of that in the NFL
except if you hit a transcendent quarterback in the Knicks
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for years, I mean, James Dolan still owns it, but
they the front office was impatient. There was pressure. There
is no question. If you watch the next the last
two to three years, you're like, oh, this is a
well run franchise.
Speaker 6 (20:41):
Dolan finally got to the point where he did what
he said he was going to do for the ten
years prior, which was let the basketball people.
Speaker 4 (20:47):
He did do the basketball fan Is that.
Speaker 1 (20:49):
Part of that? Because he was building the severe in
his maybe got bigger.
Speaker 6 (20:54):
I mean he told the New York Times, I don't
even like owning a basketball team that much.
Speaker 7 (20:57):
I mean, it was pretty amazing.
Speaker 6 (21:00):
But maybe it was the right combination of him having
failed enough times to finally Learner's lesson and Leon coming
around and being available and being someone who wanted to
run the team, and having just such great authority with
his former life as an agent, and having such great
player relationships and understanding how the game works. But it's
all come together, and as you said, they still have room,
They still have the assets to add someone, and that's
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what's going to be really fun. And by the way,
the Lakers are going to have the assets to add
someone this summer too, So I think we'll see another shift.
Speaker 7 (21:28):
But with the Knicks, as long as it.
Speaker 6 (21:30):
Goes the fact that they're facing an injured, beat up
six or s team with Joelle Embiid, hurt.
Speaker 7 (21:35):
Tyres Maxi Sick, etc.
Speaker 6 (21:37):
And then if they advance in Philadelphia, is still something
to say about that, right, But if New York advances,
they're facing either a young, not that experienced Pacers team
or a Milwaukee team with a possibly shaky Giannis.
Speaker 7 (21:50):
So it's an interesting path. You can certainly see a
path for.
Speaker 6 (21:55):
It's possible to get to New York to the Eastern
Conference Finals, which is not what you would have expected
with Julius randall at and over.
Speaker 1 (22:00):
Five years with sort of low juice Denver, OKC, Minnesota,
many of the very good teams Orlando or smaller markets,
it feels like the Knicks are really big. The league
needs the next you'll have the Celtics, but Denver's kind
of the San Antonio spurs low wattage in terms of
high profile great construct love watching them, totally respect them,
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but it feels like there's this opening for the Knicks,
and I've just they're impossible to watch and not like.
Speaker 7 (22:29):
And also it's time.
Speaker 6 (22:30):
I know, if you're a small market fan, I understand
that feeling of man Lakers get everyone every year, that
kind of thing. The Knicks have had nothing good happen
in so long. You can't feel like man, the Knix
always get everything. No, the Knicks are scrappy.
Speaker 7 (22:44):
They haven't gotten everything for a very long time. It's
fun to see this.
Speaker 1 (22:47):
It was so perfect that the game winning play was
a loose ball on the floor. That was so Nicks
that in a nutshell is the Knicks. It wasn't a
glamorous thrill. It was just balls on the floor, scrum, rugby,
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Speaker 2 (23:44):
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Speaker 3 (23:49):
Yeah, you know, we're contractually obligated to talk Cowboys every show.
Speaker 4 (23:53):
So Mike McCarthy colin entering a final year.
Speaker 3 (23:57):
Of his deal with the Cowboys, and does uh any
assurances from Jerry Jones to Tobie Back.
Speaker 4 (24:03):
There's been some off season chatter about the roster.
Speaker 3 (24:06):
It's not looking good in preparation for McCarthy's final year.
Speaker 4 (24:10):
This is interesting. He made a notable move. He hired
a new agent. His new agent is Don Yee, who.
Speaker 1 (24:16):
You probably know there, Tom Brady's agent, Harbaugh's agent, and
Sean Payton's agent.
Speaker 3 (24:25):
I think McCarthy is McCarthy sees the writing on the wall,
like the roster's not what it was.
Speaker 4 (24:31):
Dak doesn't have a deal.
Speaker 1 (24:32):
About Mike McCarthy upgrades from the Cowboys. You all think
he's getting fired. How about McCarthy upgrades? Where's he going
to a better quarterback?
Speaker 3 (24:42):
Okay?
Speaker 4 (24:43):
Who where?
Speaker 6 (24:44):
Fine?
Speaker 1 (24:44):
Find me.
Speaker 3 (24:45):
I'm not saying Dak is the end all be all,
but find me where he's gonna upgrade. Who's dumping their
coach to get McCarthy's There's no that's the problem. Like, Okay,
let's say jets is open. We'll talk jetson bills is open?
Speaker 1 (25:00):
How about a rekindling Aaron Rodgers with a defensive coach,
losing record, being mocked.
Speaker 4 (25:06):
Aaron says, Yeah, Aaron and McCarthy the way things ended
with them.
Speaker 1 (25:09):
And well, a lot of things end poorly. You ever
heard of facebook? You go back and rekindle that love
from high school in college. Mike McCarthy and Aaron Rodgers
fall in love again.
Speaker 4 (25:18):
That would be a shocker.
Speaker 1 (25:20):
I just.
Speaker 3 (25:22):
I think McCarthy ends up. I'll say this, he's doing
TV next year at this time.
Speaker 1 (25:26):
I don't think he'd be bad at that.
Speaker 5 (25:28):
I don't.
Speaker 1 (25:29):
Here's my thing with McCarthy. He's a solid coach. You can't.
You can't win twelve games a year, super Bowl.
Speaker 4 (25:34):
You're better than solid?
Speaker 1 (25:35):
Come on, yeah, no, I'm not knocking him. I think
he's been a little bit of a BS or sometimes.
Aren't we all caught? And well that's a good point.
Aren't we all?
Speaker 4 (25:46):
I mean me less than you?
Speaker 1 (25:47):
But aren't we all selling ourselves a little more than yes?
Out there throwing you know other than Ryan who just
head down hockey scores most of us are out there
promoting and selling ourselves a little more than we should.
Speaker 4 (25:59):
Stump in our chests.
Speaker 3 (26:04):
Listen, I think it's gonna be a fun season in Dallas.
I've already pushed my chips in the Dion Sanders camp.
Speaker 4 (26:10):
Next year in Dallas, that's my.
Speaker 1 (26:12):
Well, Sanders will be the number one quarterback taken.
Speaker 3 (26:15):
Potentially Dallas would have to trade up for him, but
you get that reset quarterback on the rookie deal.
Speaker 1 (26:21):
I still think Dallas and the Jets should both draft
quarterbacks in the second round. Well, Jets don't have a second,
but I can see the Jets if the Jets moved
down out of this space and got like a second
Spencer Rattler. Oh no, no, no, I like the kid
from Tulane pratt.
Speaker 4 (26:37):
Sam Hartman too, just too pretty for Dallas. Huh, you
hate what I rig up on.
Speaker 1 (26:41):
Sam Hartman's a backup.
Speaker 3 (26:43):
So they said about rock Perty, Okay, moving on to
the Jets.
Speaker 4 (26:46):
How about it?
Speaker 3 (26:47):
Oh, Colin, this is not a great report. Okay, a
recent report from Rich Somoni.
Speaker 1 (26:54):
He's very connected.
Speaker 4 (26:56):
He's been covering the Jets forever.
Speaker 3 (26:57):
If things don't go well in New York this season,
the team could be looking at an organizational reset that
shouldn't surprise anyming.
Speaker 1 (27:03):
Okay, so let's ask yourself. Rich is very connected. I
don't you know? I mightn't.
Speaker 4 (27:06):
I mean I don't know him personally by following him forever.
Speaker 1 (27:09):
So okay, so here's the question. So he's not saying
that out of the blue. He's got so somebody told
him that. So my take is as my somebody that
I had great regard for, Nick conn once told me
companies make decisions six months before they get rid of
they're getting ready of you. So the question becomes, when
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do they decide organizational reset. So in an AFC where
Miami and Buffalo are going to be good teams, you
can't fall behind. I believe the Jets for Aaron's personality
and demeanor, for Sala's reassurance, I think the Jets have
to start fast. I think they have to start like
four and one, three and two. I believe that they
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start one in three, two and five. Aaron's going to turn.
He'll starting pointing. Saula is going to be very protective,
not as Aaron friendly. I think this thing could go sideways.
Sure by week six, like there's some teams in this
league that need to win early. Chicago, they've got to
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be competitive early or or eber flust in big trouble.
Speaker 4 (28:16):
You can't go one because they have a rookie quarter truth, but.
Speaker 1 (28:19):
You gotta win early. The Jets have to meet the
Jets have to win early.
Speaker 3 (28:22):
Well, listen, if they make the playoffs, let's just go there.
I think they win the division if they make the playoffs.
Speaker 4 (28:28):
Is Sala and Roger do they both return?
Speaker 1 (28:30):
Yes? God, yes, God, yes. You can't go from a
story about organizational reset to I think they're gonna make
the playoffs.
Speaker 4 (28:40):
Okay, okay, So what is making the playoffs?
Speaker 1 (28:42):
The forty?
Speaker 4 (28:43):
What is he? Aaron Rodgers forty eight years old?
Speaker 3 (28:44):
Now, I mean when he got here it was like
definitely one year so a second.
Speaker 1 (28:51):
So what you know what organizational reset says to me,
we're getting rid of Aaron.
Speaker 4 (28:56):
Good, get him out.
Speaker 1 (28:58):
The organizational reet isn't we're drafting a corner. Organizational reset
is we're two and five, we make a decision upstairs,
we're moving things. Ask yourself, this problem is, how about this?
How about this? Does Aaron have a no trade clause? Alex?
Do we know that? How about that. Let me throw
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this at you. You think it's crazy.
Speaker 4 (29:20):
Oh wait a minute, you're trading Aaron Rod.
Speaker 1 (29:22):
No, you start two and five, You go into week
eight and a team like Detroit loses god or a
good team loses a quarterback, and somebody says, we'll take
eron for nine weeks, we have a super Bowl roster,
and the Jets say clean break, start over number two
pick in the draft. Boom, Oh Aaron has a no
(29:44):
trade clause. Well, but I'll tell you what aeron. If
it goes too and five, Detroit looks pretty good.
Speaker 4 (29:48):
Probably go to Detroit. Rub Green Bay's facing it absolutely again.
So many things have to happen for that. Here's my question.
You want to draft a quarterback.
Speaker 3 (29:56):
If the Jets it's a fourth round, do you trust
Joe Douglas with it?
Speaker 4 (30:00):
Yes, he drafted Zach Wilson.
Speaker 1 (30:03):
Well, so what he also drafted the defense?
Speaker 4 (30:05):
Anybody could draft defense?
Speaker 3 (30:07):
Oh fuck, come on, you know how hard it is
to draft the quarterback?
Speaker 1 (30:11):
Well, I'm not saying it's if the Packers are the
only team that have done it three straight times, but
it's But I would say this for years. If you
look at first round picks in the last twenty drafts,
it's harder to draft a receiver and tied end than
a quarter.
Speaker 3 (30:23):
Okay, how about this, this is just this is crazy.
Jets are on the clock at ten. Nobody's traded up
for McCarthy. Do the Jets sakes, I get McCarthy in
red shirt?
Speaker 1 (30:33):
Well, I could see Minnesota at eleven. Well, no, do
the Jets sick. I can see the Raiders at thirteen
If nobody has McCarthy, I can see the Raiders moving
up like three shots. Say we don't.
Speaker 4 (30:45):
We're not giving up the pick. We need a quarterback
in the future.
Speaker 1 (30:48):
No, they're not gonna They're not gonna. Know. Aaron's too prickly.
You got to go all in with Aaron. Now, you
can't do that with Aaron. First of all, Brady got
insecure with Jimmy Garoppolo, so these quarterbacks.
Speaker 4 (30:58):
And Rogers hated it when they took it.
Speaker 1 (30:59):
Yeah, you see, we can't do that to Aaron.
Speaker 4 (31:01):
But Rodgers ended up winning the MVP Award.
Speaker 1 (31:05):
Let's get the Jets aren't doing that. They're gonna get
a tackler or a receiver or a tight end. They're not
doing that. But if I'm the Jets and I have ten,
and I get a call from like the Raiders, and
the Raiders are like, it's too rich for us to
go to two or three or four. I would, but
they may be. That's where it gets interesting for the Jets.
Becaure's the difference between the tenth player and the thirteenth
(31:25):
negligible if there's no difference.
Speaker 3 (31:26):
The good war rooms are discussing stuff like that. I
know it sounds crazy, and I prefaced it with saying,
this is crazy. You have to at least consider that stuff. Colin,
you gotta think cover all bases and Anyway's final story
is uh, Indiana Pacers got the first road dub of
the NBA Playoffs. Film teams had been twelve and oher
(31:46):
Pacers route the Bucks, and I mean this was a
Pascal Siakam special. They had to double team him late
in the game. Pacers look, man, Pacers look really good.
And there's some troubling news for the Bucks. The report
is Yiannis is getting closer to a return, but there's
no official timeline.
Speaker 1 (32:04):
Okay, so they're gonna go to Indiana, lose that game,
be down two to one, and Giannis comes back for
game four, and that's the season.
Speaker 4 (32:12):
And Yanni's trying to save the day on a bum cap.
Speaker 1 (32:13):
Well, no, I mean I but I think if you're them,
you won the first game, so you made a decision
at that point, at the earliest he's coming back. After
you won the first game, you could say to yourself,
let's get the game four, even if we lose the
next two. We won the first game, so I can
think Milwaukee after that happens at Giannis. Game four is
what we're targeting. So you want to win game two
(32:35):
and three, but that got you the game four.
Speaker 3 (32:36):
I know a lot of buzz on the Damian Lillar
first half in Game one, Colin Damian Lillard has not
scored a point in the fourth quarter, and he hasn't
made a three pointer in the second half of the series.
He is going all in in the first half, spending
all his energy memories at a little older and the
supporting cast is real weak. They got they've been boat
raced since that first half of Game one.
Speaker 4 (32:56):
This is it Bucks team in trouble like in My
Pacers wager.
Speaker 2 (33:00):
Jamie, Well, that's the news, and thanks for stopping by
the herd line New be sure to catch live editions
of The Herd weekdays and noon eastern nine am Pacific
on Fox Sports Radio FS one and the iHeartRadio app.
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Speaker 1 (33:56):
All right, good stuff. Draft tomorrow. Not a thing can
set an NFL franchise back to than a blown draft,
and nothing can turn it around faster than nailing a draft. Houston, Texans.
I've got a very simple evaluation for all you gms
(34:17):
out there on the eve of the draft, and here
it is. NFL gms, Listen up, because the next ninety
seconds might just save your job. Everybody knows the draft
is an inexact science. Talents everywhere, but finding it often
requires more luck than skill. Even with the number one
(34:40):
overall pick. It's a glorified game of craps. Sometimes your
roll of Joe Burrow and sometimes you roll a JaMarcus Russell.
With all that unpredictability, gms are constantly looking for hack
a cheat code, and their new favorite cheat code is speeded.
But here's the thing. Everywhere running backs, corners, linebackers, even quarterbacks,
(35:03):
the man upstairs gives it out like candy. You can
find it in the first round or the seventh. If
you're simply looking for speed, folks, there was a whole
sport inventage just for you. It's called track and Feel.
But there is one position where all the great players
come off the board. Early offensive tackle. If your quarterback
(35:25):
is worth his weight in gold, left tackle is the
enormous safe you protect him with. Because, unlike speed, the
man upstairs does not grant size to a lot of humans.
Great left tackles who are six six three ten minimum
with great feet the planet usually gives us about one
a year. That's it. You can make the argument that
(35:47):
the fifteen best left tackles ever were all first rounders.
As George Young, the late great gem of the New
York Giants, used to say, went in doubt draft big
in what is possibly the best tackle draft ever. Jams.
Don't overthink it. You want to keep your job. We're
(36:07):
here to help take heed size over speed and Daniel
Jeremiah just tweeted this former multiple team scout to summarize
my last five phone calls. Everybody is moving up for
(36:31):
an offensive tackle. To my piece, it is the singular
position in the history of this league. Almost all the
great ones are first round and this is the best
first round for offensive tackle talent in forever. Get a tackle.
(36:52):
Speed receivers, with few exceptions, are everywhere. So the Phoenix
Suns have been a great disappointment to me. I had
them in the Western Conference finals and then stubbornly I
doubled down and said I like them to beat Minnesota
because I thought they played really well at the end
of the year and I thought Bradley Beal had found
his groove. Charles Barkley last night on TNT after another
(37:16):
Son's loss.
Speaker 8 (37:18):
They never addressed the point guard situation, which They definitely
needed it as a point and they needed another big body.
That's one of the things we talked about in the
trade deadline. They need to have those three guys finishing
instead of initiating their offense. And they could play at
a much faster pace. Because Minnesota is such a big team,
it's tough to score on them in the half court.
(37:38):
You got two seven foot guys out there, so it's
really difficult. So the only way to do that is
really speed the tempo up. And they didn't addressed the
point guard situation. They didn't even need a great point guard.
They didn't need a serviceable point guard.
Speaker 2 (37:52):
You know.
Speaker 1 (37:53):
To Barkley's point. The Clippers last year when they got
James Harden, remember this, j Mac, we both said, I
don't really get it, but he was a point guard.
He's a guard that lubricates it. And when you watch
the Suns in the regular season, you don't miss it
as much because people don't play with the same defensive intensity.
The other thing that happens in the playoffs is that
(38:15):
you play the same team over and over, so if
you have a deficiency, teams will just burrow into it.
A lot of times you come into town. You watch
some film, guys are distracted, guys are tired, third game,
fifth night. But in the playoffs, everybody's equally arrested, same team,
same weakness, and so it's often not the best, the
(38:35):
high end that wins a playoff series. It's the team
that has the biggest hole that loses a series. And
right now, the biggest hole in the playoffs is Phoenix
doesn't have a point guard. It's not your greatest asset.
Philadelphia has got better players than New York, but they're
lacking in effort. They're lacking in continuity. Remember MB missed
(38:57):
a big chunk of the season. So Phoenix has as
a hole and the Tea Wolves are just burrowing in
on the hole. They can't lubricate that offense. They don't
have a point guard. This was the Clippers problem last year.
They have solved it with James Harden, even though he's
an imperfect player. So I said this yesterday, what, in
your opinion is Kevin Durant if he gets whacked in
(39:18):
the first round of this series, you can make no
other argument other than leaving Golden State has been for
his legacy punitive disaster in Brooklyn. Brooklyn was a playoff
team before I got there, and in Phoenix this has
been a disaster. I mean, not making the playoffs is worse,
but you get beat in four to five games by Minnesota.
(39:42):
That's not great for the legacy.
Speaker 3 (39:45):
I don't know it kind of you know, when you
watch him on offense, it feels a little your turn,
my turn to come down, kd Io. I'm gonna take
cat to school, and then next time down to Devin Booker.
You stand in the corner, Bradley Beal's gonna cook on
a pick, and like, I just feel like that's archaic basketball.
Speaker 4 (39:59):
It doesn't work, and I don't know that there's a
quick fix.
Speaker 3 (40:02):
Again, I think they win Game three, but Colin, are
they taking four out of five against the best defensive
team in the league. That's what the Timperwolves were. By
the way, Rudy Gobert is a problem at the rim.
Did you see how many mislayups the sunset? His length
is just making them ultra shots, just enough to miss
a lot of closes.
Speaker 1 (40:19):
I remember when I used I went to about three
Utah Jazz games when he was in. Conley was there,
and Rudy Gobert was there, and at the time Quinn
Snyder was coaching, and Rudy Gobert is one of those
players that you have to see him live to understand
it that among NBA players who are six seven and
a half on average, he is completely different. It's like Wemby.
(40:42):
I have friends that have gone to see Wemby in person.
It's like television doesn't do it justice. Steve Nash is
taller than me and I'm six two, Like, you don't
understand how big NBA players are, and then Wemby makes
them look tiny. And so when you go watch Rudy
Gobert in person. I remember Utah times. The offense was
sometimes they would just throw it up and Rudy would
(41:03):
have a match and they throw it off the glass
and Rudy would just catch it, dunk it. He is
just there's this unicorn thing. Wemby, go bear. There's no answer.
They're just uniquely built.
Speaker 4 (41:15):
One of the issues though, when he was in Utah
was those playoff teams.
Speaker 3 (41:18):
He would be played off the floor in gis so
moments haven't been able to solve that and get him
off the court.
Speaker 4 (41:23):
It's like vogel Bro step it up. Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 1 (41:27):
Who's tonight? Who's playing tonight?
Speaker 3 (41:29):
It's the Pelicans, OKC and then Miami Boston. So it's
actually a good night to hang with your family, maybe
FaceTime the wife for an hour, you want to go
out for a beverage. Not a great night of NBA,
and you got to pace yourself for tomorrow with the draft.
Speaker 1 (41:43):
Oh tomorrow, I won't. I won't leave the house this weekend.
And Lakers, Yeah, this weekend is just I hope Uh
Chick fil a is ready to deliver my orders. Love
you on door dash all weekend.
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