April 25, 2024 • 33 mins
NFL insider Dianna Russini joins the show with a surprising report about another potential blockbuster trade for a team in the top 10
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 1 (00:24):
All right, this is what he does. He looks at
tape tape tape tape tape. He sends me all his
stuff that's crucial on the quarterbacks and the receivers through
the years. Greg Cosel forty four years of looking at films.
We were just talking about this during the commercial, that
there's so many variables with this stuff. These coaches aren't idiots.
You do the best you can. I'll say, here's the
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quarterback that's fascinating. So there's a recent history, Jordan Love, Mahomes,
Lamar Jackson, Josh Allen. That the kid that comes in
with massive talent but needs refinement, it's rough ends up
being the best quarterback. And that sometimes we overvalue the
polished kid who started in a good program, you know Alabama.
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And so I look at Drake May and I'm like,
you know, if you just count his first three years
against Jaden's first three years, and Jaden had way better
old line and receiver, Drake May may have finished a
little rough around the edges. He was pretty good. Where
are you on Drake May? He's the unfinished product of
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this first round group. I mean, bo Nicks has got
sixty one starts. I know what I'm getting. Give me
your feel on Drake May? What do I get? What
do I don't get? What do you like? What maybe
concerns you?
Speaker 3 (01:43):
He's the quarterback in this draft that intrigues me the
most good and bad. You can make the argument, Colin
that he's the toosiest quarterback in this draft. He's six ' four.
I introduced myself to him at the combine. He is
a big kid, and that's a treat. As you well know,
I'm not comparing him to Josh Allen, but size is
a trait. The kid throws the ball really well down
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the field, but in the short to short intermediate areas,
he just does not control the ball as well as
he needs to and therefore misses too many layups and
too many routine throws. And he has this issue which
I noticed in each of the last two years. That
has to be cleaned up. And it can be, but
it has to be. He tends to drift in the pocket,
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and when you drift in the pocket, you create your
own pressure. And that stood out quite a bit on tape.
Offensive linemen do not like that at all because they're
past protecting, expecting him to be in a specific spot.
Now that, like I said, you can fix that now.
All quarterbacks, and I'd say he had this problem as well.
All quarterbacks when you watch in college, have a few
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too many misreads where you don't process it correctly and
you don't see the coverage the right way. You know,
it's the decision making issue, the elimination and isolation the processing.
I think he has to improve there as well. But
bottom line is, how many quarterbacks come in the NFL
columnists finished products? Probably none?
Speaker 1 (03:09):
Right, Yeah, I mean Belichick was saying it this week,
Lawrence Taylor is the only player he's ever drafted that
was ready to be great without didn't need a ton
of refinement. He was a great player his first week.
In fact, he said he was great in camp. Literally
walked into camp and he was dominating people. So so
Caleb Williams is considered the top prospect. Is his tape
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worthy of it? Do you view him as that?
Speaker 3 (03:35):
I do think he's the best quarterback prospect in this draft.
I don't think he's the best quarterback prospect I've seen
in twenty years. I would say that the one thing, look,
we know about his ability to make place outside of structure.
There's no question he has great spatial awareness. He can
calmly navigate chaos. He's really good at that. We know that,
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and that's become a more important trait. But I think
the thing that I really like about him, and I
just mentioned this in a negative way with Drake May,
I think Caleb Williams controls the ball really well. I
think that he can place it where he wants to
place it. And as long as you can do that,
that's a really good starting point. That's a non negotiable
when it comes to quarterbacks. If you can't throw it
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where you want to, then you don't really have a
whole lot going for you. So that's the one thing
about Williams that I think really stood out to me,
that he really controls the ball extremely well.
Speaker 1 (04:30):
So the quarterback and there's one every year, so I
didn't get there's a quarterback every few years. I don't
get Daniel Jones, Tim Tebow, Johnny manziel I was critical
of Baker, but I understood him. I saw him as
a franchise guy. I thought number one was a reach,
but I still think he's a franchise guy. One of
the twenty twenty two best quarterbacks on the planet. JJ McCarthy.
Now I think he's better than Zach Wilson, Daniel Jones,
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Tim Tebow. I'm not saying Matt, but don't. This is
not somebody I would move up for and give up
multiple picks. He's closer to Mitch Trubisky than Caleb Williams.
To me, I have reservations with him. Tell me I'm wrong.
What do you see? What is the tape show?
Speaker 3 (05:10):
Yeah? I don't think his tape this past year was
of a first round quality. He's the classic poster child
right now for projection of a player. His tape was
not great. His ball placements was very erratic. He played
behind the best offensive line in college football. He had
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a lot of easy throws. He would hitch up three times.
There's no quarterback drop where you hitch up three times.
I'll tell you the player he kind of reminded me of,
and this goes back a few years, but you'll know
we've both been doing this a while. The player he
kind of reminded me of when he came out of
college is Andy Dalton, And I think that you know
to me. Andy Daltons had a nice career and in
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fact has made the playoffs numerous times when he was
with Cincinnati. But I don't see JJ McCarthy based on
his tape. Again, I know he's a great kid, and
that's what you're hearing, but just based on his tape,
I don't see him as a top five pick in
the draft. Quite frankly, I didn't see him as a
first round pick in the draft based on his tape.
Speaker 1 (06:10):
So listen, we have a history in this league quite regularly.
It doesn't matter if it's Garoppolo, Dak Russell, Wilson, I mean,
good God, Romo and Kurt Warner were undrafted brought pretty
seventh round. I think Michael Pratt at Tulane is interesting.
He didn't play with great players, but was productive, multiple
year starter, excellent backstory, had to overcome a lot, a
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loyal kid who probably got some offers in Nil and
stayed with Tulane. And I think this is a year
where a lot of teams are wary of a bow
Nixon the first, and he may become a really interesting
second round prospect. Is he a starter to you? Does
he project? What did you see on him? Yeah?
Speaker 3 (06:56):
He's an interesting guy because you could make the argument
that he doesn't really possess any special physical trait that
you can hang your hat on. But I think that
when you watch him play, you see a guy that
knows how to play. He's got kind of a subtle
and refined sense of timing and anticipation. He's got good eyes,
he sees it clearly. He understood safety rotation, and that's
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a trait that immediately raises your level of play. In
the NFL, for instance, that's something that Rock Purdy truly
understands and that allows him to play with a great
sense of timing and rhythm. That's a really important trait.
And Pratt can make plays with his legs in the
way Purdy can. You wouldn't call them play creators or
play makers, but they can do enough with their legs.
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So to me, Pratt is the kind of guy he
needs team he needs a running game, he needs a
good defense so he doesn't have to put up thirty
every week. Can he develop into a starter down the road. Possibly,
But he's a classic case of what you started with.
There's so many variables with someone like Michael Pratt. But
by the way, he's another great kid. I know him,
an unbelievable kid.
Speaker 1 (08:02):
Yeah, Marvin Harrison. I said, there's two or three receivers
I've seen in my that I remember that. I thought, oh,
that's different, Randy Moss, Calvin Johnson. I think Marvin Harrison's
in that class where I cannot see him busting. I
think the draft has one player every draft. Patrick Willis
the linebacker from Old Miss v Jon Robbinson, Atlanta. It
happens occasionally you're like, yeah, that's not gonna bust. Even
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if he got a bad quarterback. I think he would
be productive, am I. I mean, what do you see
with Harrison? You've been doing this forever. Is he in
that class in your opinion?
Speaker 4 (08:34):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (08:35):
I felt that way. Now. I know a lot of
coaches because I've talked to them, who actually like Melik
Neighbors more. And that's okay. I mean, I love Malik
neighbors too. It's not as if one's at ten and
one's a seven. But I really like Marvin Harrison. I
watched him last summer from twenty twenty two, watched him
this year from twenty twenty three. I mean, he is smooth,
He's subtly, sudden and twitchy. He's so smooth you don't
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see that, but he's so deceptive with his movement. To me,
he's your prototypical wide receiver. One size, speed, hands, body control, explosiveness,
enough physicality. Everything looks easy, and maybe because of his dad,
maybe it's innate, but there's just a lot of detail
and nuance in the way that he runs routes, and
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that's what you really want to see.
Speaker 1 (09:17):
So I've been told it's a good draft. There's a
lot of good players in this draft. I was told
last year was a week draft that by the middle
of the fourth there you know, Puka Naku was obviously
great in the fifth. But when you look at tapes,
can you comp at year to year, I mean, does
it look like a dynamic draft? Fourth round, fifth round?
Speaker 3 (09:34):
Do you? I mean, I think there's certain positions and
there's always a few players that I really like let's say,
and I don't know how others feel. For me, it's
all based on tape. Obviously, I don't work for a team.
I'm not interviewing the players. I'm not at pro days.
I would say wide receivers. There's a lot of those
that you could get, and by the way, we've reached
a point because of the way college football is, there's
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always wide receivers, which is why it's a tough issue
for teams and they have to pay wide out. It's
like the forty nine ers are going through with Brandon
Ayuk because you can always get wide receivers in the draft.
You just have to get the right one, obviously, but
you can always get them. I think offensive line, particularly
at the tackle position, you have to feel really good
about someone really high to draft them because you can
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get a good offensive tackle and particularly if you have
a good a line coach. So yeah, I think those
two positions would stand out to me. I don't think
there's a patrick's Ertan at corner in this draft. Yeah,
you know, I think there's a lot of corners, but
I don't think the corners at that level.
Speaker 1 (10:34):
Finally, we were saying this over the last twenty years,
tight end has had more misses, according to an ESPN researcher,
meaning you don't get a second, you don't get a
contract extension. Right, tight end's number two. My take on
that is because tight ends. This is why Iowa has
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so many good pro tight ends. Iowa demands their tight
ends block. And in the NFL, you got a block,
none of this, spread it out and catch it. You
got it. You gotta get in the trenches. That's why
Dalton kinkaid, By the way, I had two general managers
say absolute lock. Utah makes their tight ends block. He
gets two hands on people. He's an Iowa tight end.
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At Utah, he'll be great. So Brock Bowers is vertical.
He not a big guy. I mean you can move
him outside. Are you worried at all? He's your classic
vertical tight end but could get pushed around well.
Speaker 3 (11:32):
Georgia makes their tight ends block. And by the way,
Bowers works very hard at it. He's just two hundred
and forty three pounds, but you watch his tape. He
works hard at blocking. He's not one of those guys
that just is out there. So I remember talking to
a coach years ago when Tony Gonzalez came in the
league and he couldn't block at all, and they said,
the thing is he wanted a block, and he became a,
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you know, a quality blocker. I think Bowers will be
the same way. Because Georgia does run a lot of
pro stuff quarterback under center run game. Bowers was attached
to the tackle. They demanded that he block. But as
an athlete, I mean one thing that he does which
is unbelievable. His transition from catching the ball to run
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after catch is so seamless. It might be the best
I've ever seen. I mean it just there's no transition.
It's unbelievable, and he has unbelievable balance. Colin, he's a weapon,
but you have to have an idea of how to
use him because he's technically still a tight end. So
you have to figure out exactly how he fits in
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your offense. And I imagine that a lot of people
might be looking at Andy Reid's offense to see how
Travis Kelsey is used.
Speaker 1 (12:42):
Greg Cosel, It's like I'm like a seven year old
and tonight's Halloween. I can't wait to get.
Speaker 3 (12:50):
Skin nights the draft. It's probably similar.
Speaker 1 (12:53):
Great seniors always Gregan.
Speaker 3 (12:55):
Thanks, Colin, appreciate it.
Speaker 1 (12:57):
Oh my god, so exciting. I can't way. Maybe they
could move it up to about one for I'd be
good with that.
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Speaker 5 (13:20):
All right, let's get started with Zach Wilson.
Speaker 1 (13:23):
Colin.
Speaker 6 (13:23):
He's now with the Denver Broncos after getting traded by
the Jets. Well, guess who's hyping up Zach Wilson. It
would be none of the Peyton Manning who spoke on
Denver Sports Radio about how a fresh start with the
Broncos could just could be just what Zach Wilson needs.
Speaker 4 (13:41):
The best way to really, I think screw our young
quarterback up is to change coordinators on him every single year,
and it drives me crazy. I think it's a great
chapter two for Zach. He will get coached hard here
by Sean Payton on their staff, which is important for
young quarterbacks to be coach hard. He's obviously very talent
that he wouldn't have been exact as high as you would.
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And actually I've never met Zach, but I got his
number yesterday from the Broncos and reached out to him,
and you know, WelCom them to Denver and was excited
for this new chapter. He sounds excited to be here.
So hopefully it'll be a good fit.
Speaker 1 (14:15):
Very very excited about Zach Wilson in a new environment
with a legit, big time offensive coach. Thing's gonna click, potentially.
Speaker 5 (14:24):
Is he gonna make it? Zach gonna make the team?
Speaker 1 (14:27):
Of course he's gonna make it.
Speaker 5 (14:28):
Is they draft Boat Nick's first round or anyone? And
then you got the guy that they added from the
Raiders in that trade. Like, I don't even know if.
Speaker 6 (14:36):
Zach Wilson is gonna be on the roster. Quick word
on Peyton Manning. That's the guy who hyped Adam Gates.
Speaker 1 (14:43):
I know, I know, I get past that. Peyton I
cannot get. I'm the same way I love Peyton, but
I he liked Adam Gason because of his recommendation. I
was on Adam gaze.
Speaker 5 (14:52):
So was I and I look like a buffoon things
of Peyton Manning. So maybe Peyton knows me an apology.
I don't know. I know people who work with him
apparently it's a super nice guy.
Speaker 1 (15:01):
But uh, Peyton knows this one on that we ever
see him? Hey, round on you, Hey.
Speaker 5 (15:06):
Go Adam Gay's pal. Anyways, let's move on.
Speaker 1 (15:10):
What do we do?
Speaker 6 (15:10):
Oh?
Speaker 7 (15:10):
Yeah?
Speaker 6 (15:11):
The New York Giants, so ownership of course has said
they're fine right with Sticky with Daniel Jones. But there's
other chatter that New York wants to move up for
Drake May. Now a report says they could be willing
to stay at six and take Michael Pennix junior at six. Colin,
The posturing is just getting a little bit much, is
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it not.
Speaker 5 (15:33):
I mean, Michael Pennix at six.
Speaker 6 (15:35):
You know what this is the Giants saying, hey, we're.
Speaker 5 (15:38):
Not moving up, We'll take Pennix at six.
Speaker 1 (15:40):
So the Lakers leaked the story this week. The Giants
and the Jets are leaking stories. These big market teams
know they can go to major newspapers and major TV
and radio outlets and it becomes a national story. I mean,
you leak something to the Sacramento be it may not
make the national news. So nothing against that quality newspaper,
but the point is you notice what all the leagues
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are coming from this week? Two New York football teams
and an LA basketball team. They want those teams want
this stuff out there. Why do you think the Giants
are leaking that? Every Oh, somebody likes the Raiders by
the way, reportedly like Michael Pennix, and the Raiders are like,
oh crap, what the Giants are leaking this for? They
want to move back to the Raiders spot. They want
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the Raiders to move up because the Raiders, like Jayden
and Daniels, are not going to get him. So Antonio
Peers doesn't want to go into a season with Gardner
Minshew is his future. So the Raiders are looking at
the Giant spot and the Giants just leaked. We really
like Michael Pennix. I've been told the Raiders like Michael Pennix.
Speaker 5 (16:43):
Remember the Giants.
Speaker 6 (16:44):
This is a Giants group here that was in Buffalo
and didn't have to give up a lot of assets
for Josh Allen. They don't want to give up assets
for their guy. They want to stand pat and get
their guys. The posturing is fun and exciting. I almost
feel like the move is to stay off social media
until the drafts arts, because there's gonna be a million
of these here in the next.
Speaker 1 (17:02):
Like, what three four hours?
Speaker 5 (17:03):
Yet? You gonna get a nap? Or are you gonna
hit the gym?
Speaker 1 (17:06):
Uh, I'm gonna go push some weights around. You gotta
order some food for tonight? What do you get hang
out with my daughter?
Speaker 5 (17:13):
Maymy go for a Walxican food again?
Speaker 1 (17:15):
Or now I'm not sure something that digests well because
I'm gonna be up all night.
Speaker 5 (17:18):
Okay, final story.
Speaker 6 (17:19):
The draft just a few hours away, and according to
Diana Rossini, who's coming on the show here shortly, the
Rams Colin are making calls to trade up from nineteen
to land somewhere in the top ten. The Rams have
not had a first round pick since twenty sixteen. Does
feel maybe out of character for McVeigh to move up,
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But McVeigh and sneed are.
Speaker 1 (17:41):
Okay, let's let's ask yourself. What do they need.
Speaker 5 (17:44):
For the lost Aaron Donald?
Speaker 1 (17:46):
Yeah, but you could. You can get Newton from Illinois
at nineteen. Defensive take they love Murphy again. You don't
have to move up far for him. He're moving up.
My takeaway is you move up three to four spots
and get Brock Bowers because Tyler Higbee got hurt, They've.
Speaker 5 (18:03):
Got up for a tight end.
Speaker 1 (18:05):
Well I'm I'm not throwing it out that. I'm not
saying that to Okay, So I know this. They like
their tackles. They do like their tackles, and there's enough
good tackles. But at nineteen they can get a tackle.
They can get a tackle. So it might take away
what are they moving up for. It's either a quarterback. Well,
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I just they're there. They want to draft quarterback and
they may go to the second round to get it.
But they know a lot of people in the second
one Pratt. So my takeaway is I know the Colts
want a tight end. So the bottom line is Higby
got hurt. They brought in Parkinson from Seattle. Colby the
Stanford kid a tight end. They're okay at tight end
if Higgby not ready to go. But Hookah, Cooper Cup
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are their receivers. And I think they believe. And I'll
tell you this, I've talked to two people. They love
brock Bowers. They just don't love them as a top
seven or eight. But as Greg when Greg cole Sell
says he does this, he may be the greatest I've
ever seen Greg cole sell forty four years watching ever,
that's what he said. So, now again, you're not moving
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up from nineteen to nine? Are you moving up? Well?
Just does she say in top.
Speaker 5 (19:15):
Ten to land somewhere in the top ten?
Speaker 6 (19:18):
Let me ask, are the Rams super Bowl contenders in
the NFC?
Speaker 1 (19:21):
Absolutely?
Speaker 6 (19:23):
So?
Speaker 5 (19:23):
Then do you draft?
Speaker 1 (19:25):
Well? They had quarterback?
Speaker 3 (19:26):
They have?
Speaker 1 (19:26):
They have eleven picks, so and they nailed their draft
outside of their fourth round pick last year Stetson and Bennett.
They nailed a lot of picks, that's right. So they
had a first, a second, two thirds. I thought they
were going to move back to get a fourth.
Speaker 5 (19:40):
So the quarterback couldn't make sense.
Speaker 6 (19:41):
Remember Stafford has that big contract, he's had an injury history.
Do you get your quarterback here for the future, the
way the Packers drafted Jordan Love when they had Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 5 (19:52):
You let it bake and then a couple of years
later your quarterback is ready to dominate.
Speaker 1 (19:57):
So I mean, when when I hear this, I could
see the Rams moving up inside the top ten.
Speaker 2 (20:03):
I don't.
Speaker 1 (20:04):
I don't know. They like their tackles now Havevenstein may
retire in a year, but again, you could stay at
nineteen and get a tackle, wide receiver. They're not gonna.
I mean, I don't think they're going to. Because they
hit a home run with Puka looks night. I think
what they're looking there's things they need, but trading. They
needed edge rusher, so it would they move up for
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Jared Verse from Florida State. That is the one player
that's interesting. But I don't think he's a top ten pick.
I think he's like thirteen to fourteen.
Speaker 2 (20:35):
Trading up for.
Speaker 5 (20:35):
An edge rusher. I just I don't know that that
makes sense.
Speaker 1 (20:40):
Well, I think I would always be willing to move up.
Remember quarterback, left tackle, weapon, pass rusher. That's the league.
So those positions you can move up for.
Speaker 5 (20:50):
Yeah, I mean your first good player.
Speaker 1 (20:52):
I think he was twenty. I will tell you this.
Even though McVeigh is an offensive guy, Sean is right.
Sean understands the value of defense. Like he doesn't. He
doesn't want.
Speaker 6 (21:07):
They lost more Raggie Morris, didn't they hit They had
two home runs last year in the third round on
defensive players.
Speaker 1 (21:13):
But they need another edge rusher.
Speaker 6 (21:14):
Now.
Speaker 1 (21:14):
I think you can stay there or move up slightly
to get it.
Speaker 5 (21:17):
I think the Lions scored like the first three times
they had this.
Speaker 1 (21:19):
This is amazing. I can't believe this. Diana Russini's on next.
Speaker 5 (21:22):
I mobill see.
Speaker 1 (21:23):
I could see them moving up top ten. I don't
know what they need. I don't know what it is.
Jared versus somebody I think they like, but he's more
in the twelve thirteen.
Speaker 6 (21:34):
Yeah, I just think that front office is too smart
to trade up. If anything, trade back, get more bites
at the apple. You get thirteen draft picks.
Speaker 1 (21:43):
Okay, if Dan Indianapolis drafts war fifteen powers. Okay, here's
my take. If brock Bowers isn't taken, they'll move up
to fourteen to get him because they Colts want him.
I could see him moving up there. But I thought
my guess was this whole draft they were gonna move
back about five spots because I think there's some defensive
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linemen they like, edge rushers and Chop Robinson. Penn State
could be the next twenty three twenty four. That's my guest.
Speaker 6 (22:11):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (22:12):
Jmck with a news.
Speaker 2 (22:14):
Well that's the news, and thanks for stopping by the
herd Line News.
Speaker 1 (22:18):
All right, Diana's next. I gotta figure this out with
the Rams. I don't know what I gotta get on
the phone. I don't know what it is. I don't
know who they like in the top ten. They're not
really a move up team. They're a move back team.
Blankedin picks. I mean, yeah, who knows. We'll talk to
Diana next to Herd.
Speaker 2 (22:34):
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Speaker 1 (23:21):
All Right, Diana Russini, the Athletics Senior NFL insider cover
the NFL for almost a decade. All right, this has
got us all worked out. She's out there doing what
she does. This is crazy. So he just got into
this discussion. Look at her. Look at her smirk on
her face. That's somebody that's got information.
Speaker 8 (23:37):
Smirk is my smirk is because you're fighting the information
rather than just sitting back and hugging it and embracing
and feeling grateful for you. You're so mad that the
rams are making calls in the top ten right now
to try to get up.
Speaker 1 (23:52):
Okay, well you okay, we've established maybe I'm not sure
what to do. My take is they don't need a quarterback.
They don't they like I was. They like their tackles
Jared Verse, but I don't think he's a top ten picks.
Are we sure it's a top ten move?
Speaker 8 (24:13):
Are you questioning my report?
Speaker 5 (24:15):
Yes, it's yes, Colin.
Speaker 8 (24:17):
I wouldn't put it out there if it wasn't true.
Speaker 5 (24:19):
It's my job, right, So it's accurate.
Speaker 8 (24:22):
So they've been working the phones trying to move up, because,
as you know, when it comes to the draft, there's
a lot of organizations with the philosophy if you love
a guy you go get them and you do what
it takes. And there's obviously a player that Sean McVay
is in love with right now, and they are willing,
for the first time since twenty sixteen with that first
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round pick move up to go get that guy. So
we don't know who that's going to be just yet,
but you know, we could probably go through it all.
I can tell you I do not believe this to
be a quarterback right So there have been some people
that have thought that maybe this is a direction they
would go with Matthew Stafford getting older and perhaps they're
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being a need there in the backup position, but I
don't really believe that that's the direction they're going in,
especially knowing the other quarterback situations that are happening at
the top of the draft.
Speaker 1 (25:16):
So my guess was Jared Verse. I mean, they need
an edge rusher.
Speaker 7 (25:22):
And you know.
Speaker 1 (25:25):
They don't need to tackle a quarterback, and they've got
two receives. My guess has brought powers the tight end
from Georgia, who Greg co Sell said an hour ago
is the best he's ever seen on tape. Greg co
Sell is not hyperbolic, So my take is Tyler Higby
got hurt in the final game. They went and got
a backup from Seattle. Tyler is expensive. You don't want
to pay tight ends a lot of money. That is
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my gut. I know you can't say and everything like that,
but Mike, I'm just doing process of elimination. They need
an edge. I know they're interested in tight end. They
would get a receiver, but this is a receiver rich draft.
They don't need to tackle year at verse they like.
But he'll be available at fourteen. That's my guess. Okay, there,
so there we go.
Speaker 3 (26:05):
I think it would make a lot.
Speaker 8 (26:06):
I think it would make sense if they're going to
make this kind of move to go after an offensive
type player, knowing Sean probably wants another toy there, you know,
So brock Bowers would make that That would not shock
me at all. And obviously Greg Kusel knows a lot
and he knows a lot of these things, so I
don't think any of us could be shocked. I'm just
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concerned though, because I had heard the Jets had really
liked Bowers as well. There, so I'm curious who they're
going to be able to get in front, or who
they're gonna be able to trade out with if this
can even happen to try to make that move to
beat the Jets. Let's say, if it is Bowers that
they're going after, we go fastest.
Speaker 1 (26:47):
A lot, Jesus, A.
Speaker 8 (26:49):
Lot can happen, Colin, Like, we've got a lot of
time here, but the fact it tells you a lot
that they're already making these calls in here. And I've
now heard it from two different teams. So they're aggressive.
You're trying to make this happen.
Speaker 1 (27:02):
Yeah, calgo bronck Powers. That's my guess. I know the
Higbee injury concern them, and I know they don't want
to pay a ton. They just they don't want to
pay a ton to tight ends. So that's my guess. Okay,
Broncos at twelve So I heard another story there moving up.
Not from you, my guests, is they want Nicks but
they could get him later. Give me what, well, you're
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again you're smiling at me at this point.
Speaker 8 (27:26):
I love because you're like not from you, like, actually
it was from me, I put. I put a column
out yesterday on the Athletic and I went very aggressive
saying that the Denver Broncos are in the quarterback market, yes,
Zach Wilson's They're awesome, great. I think he will be
a great quarterback project, you know, for Sean Payton, who
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I do believe believes that Zach Wilson has some talent
and maybe perhaps just a new change of environment and
new staff Davis Web. Obviously they're the quarterbacks coach that
everyone raves about out there in Denver. So he's not
the starter though, Zachilson was not traded to be the starter.
So Broncos need a quarterback, and I believe that Sean
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Payton is going to put together a package if there's
a guy there that he loves. When he was in
New Orleans and him and Mickey Loomis worked together, that
was always that philosophy in that building. If you love him,
go get him. So if Sean McVay, excuse me, if
Sean Payton has a quarterback right now that he loves,
I would not put it past them to put everything
together a package that would blow the doors off just
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to get the guy. It's just is there a quarterback
that's going to be available that he's going to do
that for and is there going to be a team
open to doing that.
Speaker 1 (28:39):
Finally, Patriots third pick. I could argue they should move
back and improve the roster. I could argue, get Drake May.
What's your hunch on New England number three?
Speaker 8 (28:51):
I think if Bill Belichick was there, they would trade out.
I think they would try to build this thing that
just how we saw in Houston. But I have a
good feeling and I think the teams that are calling
to move up there believe that Drake May is going
to be their selection. A few days ago, I was
told that there were people in that building that really
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liked JJ McCarthy right, and they were just trying to
all get on the same page. As happens we know
this time of year, especially with the newer staff obviously
ownership here overseeing all of this, making sure they get
this right. They want a quarterback, and sometimes that pressure,
you know, why take any risks of missing out on
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getting a quarterback to move out to try to get
back up and take that risk of not getting back up.
And that's the problem, and that's really where you're I'm
sensing some anxiety from a lot of different teams right
now that are in the quarterback market. Nobody wants to
get boxed out, so it's going to be really interesting
to see who's going to be the first team to
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trade out, And right now, for me, it feels that
the Chargers would be the team most open to moving
out for a team that IS's hungry for a quarterback.
Speaker 1 (30:01):
All right, senior NFL insider of the Athletics. I'm not mad.
I just had the rams. This is aggressive, This is
less is being aggressive, And so to me, to do
that move, you're not getting Caleb and you're not getting Harrison.
So we have three players that are considered all time talents.
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Caleb is an all timer, Harrison's an all timer. Brock
Bowers is an all timer. Rest of these guys are
Joe Alt's good, he's not Trent Williams. We got three
all time talents. Sean's not moving up for a guy
who's good. He's not getting Caleb, but he's not getting Harrison.
So my guess is the Georgia. Okayh he's in love. Yeah,
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well you know what happens when you're in love?
Speaker 3 (30:49):
What happens?
Speaker 1 (30:51):
Tell me, starry eyes? You go crazy? You know.
Speaker 8 (30:55):
Look they're aggressive. Look they're just making those calls. Right,
It doesn't mean anything's done. It doesn't mean it's going
to happen. But the fact that they're poking around and
apparently pretty determined to get in there tells you they
got a plan.
Speaker 1 (31:09):
Good stuff, great seeing you as always great seeing.
Speaker 8 (31:11):
You, Love seeing you guys, Thanks for having me all right.
Speaker 1 (31:14):
Yeah, Sean McVay is not moving up for a good player.
And there's three difference makers, like people literally are saying
this is the best in ten years, Caleb, Harrison, and
Brock Powers. So to me, the Rams, if they move up,
it's brock Powers. Now, you probably want to get ahead
of the Jets. So my guess is they would move up.
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Oh oh oh, the Bears have the ninth. The Bears
move back to nineteenth with the Rams. So my guess
is the Rams are trading with the Bears to get
Brock Powers. That's a hunch, but that's my guess. They
want to get ahead of the Jets because Bowers, Indy
wants him. The Jets rumor to have him on their radar.
My guess would be Rams move up, Bears want to
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move back anyway, which I think would be a great
move because the Bears, I think, only only have four picks.
I think the Bears want more picks and the Rams.
You're not moving up. There's no way we got Matt Stafford. Okay,
you gotta be. It's like Steph Curry and the Warriors.
You gotta be on Stafford's timeline. So obviously McVeigh looks
at this and thinks who can come in and play? Harrison, Bowers,
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Caleb those guys are coming in playing. Some people think
the LSU receiver is in, that Neighbors is also in.
That gonna produce Day one.
Speaker 6 (32:30):
So this would fall into the well you can't draft
a tight end high, it doesn't work, it's not smart. Well, well,
if they if McVeigh gets Bowers, I mean he's gonna
be awesome.
Speaker 5 (32:39):
That's a given.
Speaker 3 (32:40):
Lock it up.
Speaker 1 (32:41):
McVay, Stafford, Kyron Williams, Pooka, Cooper cup Bowers.
Speaker 6 (32:46):
Their tight end depth chart is Tyler Higbee, Hurt, Kobe Parkinson, backup, Davis.
Speaker 1 (32:51):
Allen, Nice, Clemson good solid, Hunter Long. They need a star.
And again I think McVeigh looks at it and thinks,
who's guarding that guy? Fred Warner good luck, because he
may be the only linebacker that could cover it.
Speaker 6 (33:07):
I don't think he can hang with them.
Speaker 1 (33:10):
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Speaker 2 (00:22):
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Speaker 1 (00:24):
All right, this is what he does. He looks at
tape tape tape tape tape. He sends me all his
stuff that's crucial on the quarterbacks and the receivers through
the years. Greg Cosel forty four years of looking at films.
We were just talking about this during the commercial, that
there's so many variables with this stuff. These coaches aren't idiots.
You do the best you can. I'll say, here's the
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quarterback that's fascinating. So there's a recent history, Jordan Love, Mahomes,
Lamar Jackson, Josh Allen. That the kid that comes in
with massive talent but needs refinement, it's rough ends up
being the best quarterback. And that sometimes we overvalue the
polished kid who started in a good program, you know Alabama.
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And so I look at Drake May and I'm like,
you know, if you just count his first three years
against Jaden's first three years, and Jaden had way better
old line and receiver, Drake May may have finished a
little rough around the edges. He was pretty good. Where
are you on Drake May? He's the unfinished product of
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this first round group. I mean, bo Nicks has got
sixty one starts. I know what I'm getting. Give me
your feel on Drake May? What do I get? What
do I don't get? What do you like? What maybe
concerns you?
Speaker 3 (01:43):
He's the quarterback in this draft that intrigues me the
most good and bad. You can make the argument, Colin
that he's the toosiest quarterback in this draft. He's six ' four.
I introduced myself to him at the combine. He is
a big kid, and that's a treat. As you well know,
I'm not comparing him to Josh Allen, but size is
a trait. The kid throws the ball really well down
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the field, but in the short to short intermediate areas,
he just does not control the ball as well as
he needs to and therefore misses too many layups and
too many routine throws. And he has this issue which
I noticed in each of the last two years. That
has to be cleaned up. And it can be, but
it has to be. He tends to drift in the pocket,
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and when you drift in the pocket, you create your
own pressure. And that stood out quite a bit on tape.
Offensive linemen do not like that at all because they're
past protecting, expecting him to be in a specific spot.
Now that, like I said, you can fix that now.
All quarterbacks, and I'd say he had this problem as well.
All quarterbacks when you watch in college, have a few
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too many misreads where you don't process it correctly and
you don't see the coverage the right way. You know,
it's the decision making issue, the elimination and isolation the processing.
I think he has to improve there as well. But
bottom line is, how many quarterbacks come in the NFL
columnists finished products? Probably none?
Speaker 1 (03:09):
Right, Yeah, I mean Belichick was saying it this week,
Lawrence Taylor is the only player he's ever drafted that
was ready to be great without didn't need a ton
of refinement. He was a great player his first week.
In fact, he said he was great in camp. Literally
walked into camp and he was dominating people. So so
Caleb Williams is considered the top prospect. Is his tape
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worthy of it? Do you view him as that?
Speaker 3 (03:35):
I do think he's the best quarterback prospect in this draft.
I don't think he's the best quarterback prospect I've seen
in twenty years. I would say that the one thing, look,
we know about his ability to make place outside of structure.
There's no question he has great spatial awareness. He can
calmly navigate chaos. He's really good at that. We know that,
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and that's become a more important trait. But I think
the thing that I really like about him, and I
just mentioned this in a negative way with Drake May,
I think Caleb Williams controls the ball really well. I
think that he can place it where he wants to
place it. And as long as you can do that,
that's a really good starting point. That's a non negotiable
when it comes to quarterbacks. If you can't throw it
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where you want to, then you don't really have a
whole lot going for you. So that's the one thing
about Williams that I think really stood out to me,
that he really controls the ball extremely well.
Speaker 1 (04:30):
So the quarterback and there's one every year, so I
didn't get there's a quarterback every few years. I don't
get Daniel Jones, Tim Tebow, Johnny manziel I was critical
of Baker, but I understood him. I saw him as
a franchise guy. I thought number one was a reach,
but I still think he's a franchise guy. One of
the twenty twenty two best quarterbacks on the planet. JJ McCarthy.
Now I think he's better than Zach Wilson, Daniel Jones,
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Tim Tebow. I'm not saying Matt, but don't. This is
not somebody I would move up for and give up
multiple picks. He's closer to Mitch Trubisky than Caleb Williams.
To me, I have reservations with him. Tell me I'm wrong.
What do you see? What is the tape show?
Speaker 3 (05:10):
Yeah? I don't think his tape this past year was
of a first round quality. He's the classic poster child
right now for projection of a player. His tape was
not great. His ball placements was very erratic. He played
behind the best offensive line in college football. He had
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a lot of easy throws. He would hitch up three times.
There's no quarterback drop where you hitch up three times.
I'll tell you the player he kind of reminded me of,
and this goes back a few years, but you'll know
we've both been doing this a while. The player he
kind of reminded me of when he came out of
college is Andy Dalton, And I think that you know
to me. Andy Daltons had a nice career and in
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fact has made the playoffs numerous times when he was
with Cincinnati. But I don't see JJ McCarthy based on
his tape. Again, I know he's a great kid, and
that's what you're hearing, but just based on his tape,
I don't see him as a top five pick in
the draft. Quite frankly, I didn't see him as a
first round pick in the draft based on his tape.
Speaker 1 (06:10):
So listen, we have a history in this league quite regularly.
It doesn't matter if it's Garoppolo, Dak Russell, Wilson, I mean,
good God, Romo and Kurt Warner were undrafted brought pretty
seventh round. I think Michael Pratt at Tulane is interesting.
He didn't play with great players, but was productive, multiple
year starter, excellent backstory, had to overcome a lot, a
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loyal kid who probably got some offers in Nil and
stayed with Tulane. And I think this is a year
where a lot of teams are wary of a bow
Nixon the first, and he may become a really interesting
second round prospect. Is he a starter to you? Does
he project? What did you see on him? Yeah?
Speaker 3 (06:56):
He's an interesting guy because you could make the argument
that he doesn't really possess any special physical trait that
you can hang your hat on. But I think that
when you watch him play, you see a guy that
knows how to play. He's got kind of a subtle
and refined sense of timing and anticipation. He's got good eyes,
he sees it clearly. He understood safety rotation, and that's
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a trait that immediately raises your level of play. In
the NFL, for instance, that's something that Rock Purdy truly
understands and that allows him to play with a great
sense of timing and rhythm. That's a really important trait.
And Pratt can make plays with his legs in the
way Purdy can. You wouldn't call them play creators or
play makers, but they can do enough with their legs.
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So to me, Pratt is the kind of guy he
needs team he needs a running game, he needs a
good defense so he doesn't have to put up thirty
every week. Can he develop into a starter down the road. Possibly,
But he's a classic case of what you started with.
There's so many variables with someone like Michael Pratt. But
by the way, he's another great kid. I know him,
an unbelievable kid.
Speaker 1 (08:02):
Yeah, Marvin Harrison. I said, there's two or three receivers
I've seen in my that I remember that. I thought, oh,
that's different, Randy Moss, Calvin Johnson. I think Marvin Harrison's
in that class where I cannot see him busting. I
think the draft has one player every draft. Patrick Willis
the linebacker from Old Miss v Jon Robbinson, Atlanta. It
happens occasionally you're like, yeah, that's not gonna bust. Even
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if he got a bad quarterback. I think he would
be productive, am I. I mean, what do you see
with Harrison? You've been doing this forever. Is he in
that class in your opinion?
Speaker 4 (08:34):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (08:35):
I felt that way. Now. I know a lot of
coaches because I've talked to them, who actually like Melik
Neighbors more. And that's okay. I mean, I love Malik
neighbors too. It's not as if one's at ten and
one's a seven. But I really like Marvin Harrison. I
watched him last summer from twenty twenty two, watched him
this year from twenty twenty three. I mean, he is smooth,
He's subtly, sudden and twitchy. He's so smooth you don't
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see that, but he's so deceptive with his movement. To me,
he's your prototypical wide receiver. One size, speed, hands, body control, explosiveness,
enough physicality. Everything looks easy, and maybe because of his dad,
maybe it's innate, but there's just a lot of detail
and nuance in the way that he runs routes, and
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that's what you really want to see.
Speaker 1 (09:17):
So I've been told it's a good draft. There's a
lot of good players in this draft. I was told
last year was a week draft that by the middle
of the fourth there you know, Puka Naku was obviously
great in the fifth. But when you look at tapes,
can you comp at year to year, I mean, does
it look like a dynamic draft? Fourth round, fifth round?
Speaker 3 (09:34):
Do you? I mean, I think there's certain positions and
there's always a few players that I really like let's say,
and I don't know how others feel. For me, it's
all based on tape. Obviously, I don't work for a team.
I'm not interviewing the players. I'm not at pro days.
I would say wide receivers. There's a lot of those
that you could get, and by the way, we've reached
a point because of the way college football is, there's
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always wide receivers, which is why it's a tough issue
for teams and they have to pay wide out. It's
like the forty nine ers are going through with Brandon
Ayuk because you can always get wide receivers in the draft.
You just have to get the right one, obviously, but
you can always get them. I think offensive line, particularly
at the tackle position, you have to feel really good
about someone really high to draft them because you can
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get a good offensive tackle and particularly if you have
a good a line coach. So yeah, I think those
two positions would stand out to me. I don't think
there's a patrick's Ertan at corner in this draft. Yeah,
you know, I think there's a lot of corners, but
I don't think the corners at that level.
Speaker 1 (10:34):
Finally, we were saying this over the last twenty years,
tight end has had more misses, according to an ESPN researcher,
meaning you don't get a second, you don't get a
contract extension. Right, tight end's number two. My take on
that is because tight ends. This is why Iowa has
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so many good pro tight ends. Iowa demands their tight
ends block. And in the NFL, you got a block,
none of this, spread it out and catch it. You
got it. You gotta get in the trenches. That's why
Dalton kinkaid, By the way, I had two general managers
say absolute lock. Utah makes their tight ends block. He
gets two hands on people. He's an Iowa tight end.
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At Utah, he'll be great. So Brock Bowers is vertical.
He not a big guy. I mean you can move
him outside. Are you worried at all? He's your classic
vertical tight end but could get pushed around well.
Speaker 3 (11:32):
Georgia makes their tight ends block. And by the way,
Bowers works very hard at it. He's just two hundred
and forty three pounds, but you watch his tape. He
works hard at blocking. He's not one of those guys
that just is out there. So I remember talking to
a coach years ago when Tony Gonzalez came in the
league and he couldn't block at all, and they said,
the thing is he wanted a block, and he became a,
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you know, a quality blocker. I think Bowers will be
the same way. Because Georgia does run a lot of
pro stuff quarterback under center run game. Bowers was attached
to the tackle. They demanded that he block. But as
an athlete, I mean one thing that he does which
is unbelievable. His transition from catching the ball to run
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after catch is so seamless. It might be the best
I've ever seen. I mean it just there's no transition.
It's unbelievable, and he has unbelievable balance. Colin, he's a weapon,
but you have to have an idea of how to
use him because he's technically still a tight end. So
you have to figure out exactly how he fits in
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your offense. And I imagine that a lot of people
might be looking at Andy Reid's offense to see how
Travis Kelsey is used.
Speaker 1 (12:42):
Greg Cosel, It's like I'm like a seven year old
and tonight's Halloween. I can't wait to get.
Speaker 3 (12:50):
Skin nights the draft. It's probably similar.
Speaker 1 (12:53):
Great seniors always Gregan.
Speaker 3 (12:55):
Thanks, Colin, appreciate it.
Speaker 1 (12:57):
Oh my god, so exciting. I can't way. Maybe they
could move it up to about one for I'd be
good with that.
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Speaker 5 (13:20):
All right, let's get started with Zach Wilson.
Speaker 1 (13:23):
Colin.
Speaker 6 (13:23):
He's now with the Denver Broncos after getting traded by
the Jets. Well, guess who's hyping up Zach Wilson. It
would be none of the Peyton Manning who spoke on
Denver Sports Radio about how a fresh start with the
Broncos could just could be just what Zach Wilson needs.
Speaker 4 (13:41):
The best way to really, I think screw our young
quarterback up is to change coordinators on him every single year,
and it drives me crazy. I think it's a great
chapter two for Zach. He will get coached hard here
by Sean Payton on their staff, which is important for
young quarterbacks to be coach hard. He's obviously very talent
that he wouldn't have been exact as high as you would.
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And actually I've never met Zach, but I got his
number yesterday from the Broncos and reached out to him,
and you know, WelCom them to Denver and was excited
for this new chapter. He sounds excited to be here.
So hopefully it'll be a good fit.
Speaker 1 (14:15):
Very very excited about Zach Wilson in a new environment
with a legit, big time offensive coach. Thing's gonna click, potentially.
Speaker 5 (14:24):
Is he gonna make it? Zach gonna make the team?
Speaker 1 (14:27):
Of course he's gonna make it.
Speaker 5 (14:28):
Is they draft Boat Nick's first round or anyone? And
then you got the guy that they added from the
Raiders in that trade. Like, I don't even know if.
Speaker 6 (14:36):
Zach Wilson is gonna be on the roster. Quick word
on Peyton Manning. That's the guy who hyped Adam Gates.
Speaker 1 (14:43):
I know, I know, I get past that. Peyton I
cannot get. I'm the same way I love Peyton, but
I he liked Adam Gason because of his recommendation. I
was on Adam gaze.
Speaker 5 (14:52):
So was I and I look like a buffoon things
of Peyton Manning. So maybe Peyton knows me an apology.
I don't know. I know people who work with him
apparently it's a super nice guy.
Speaker 1 (15:01):
But uh, Peyton knows this one on that we ever
see him? Hey, round on you, Hey.
Speaker 5 (15:06):
Go Adam Gay's pal. Anyways, let's move on.
Speaker 1 (15:10):
What do we do?
Speaker 6 (15:10):
Oh?
Speaker 7 (15:10):
Yeah?
Speaker 6 (15:11):
The New York Giants, so ownership of course has said
they're fine right with Sticky with Daniel Jones. But there's
other chatter that New York wants to move up for
Drake May. Now a report says they could be willing
to stay at six and take Michael Pennix junior at six. Colin,
The posturing is just getting a little bit much, is
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it not.
Speaker 5 (15:33):
I mean, Michael Pennix at six.
Speaker 6 (15:35):
You know what this is the Giants saying, hey, we're.
Speaker 5 (15:38):
Not moving up, We'll take Pennix at six.
Speaker 1 (15:40):
So the Lakers leaked the story this week. The Giants
and the Jets are leaking stories. These big market teams
know they can go to major newspapers and major TV
and radio outlets and it becomes a national story. I mean,
you leak something to the Sacramento be it may not
make the national news. So nothing against that quality newspaper,
but the point is you notice what all the leagues
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are coming from this week? Two New York football teams
and an LA basketball team. They want those teams want
this stuff out there. Why do you think the Giants
are leaking that? Every Oh, somebody likes the Raiders by
the way, reportedly like Michael Pennix, and the Raiders are like,
oh crap, what the Giants are leaking this for? They
want to move back to the Raiders spot. They want
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the Raiders to move up because the Raiders, like Jayden
and Daniels, are not going to get him. So Antonio
Peers doesn't want to go into a season with Gardner
Minshew is his future. So the Raiders are looking at
the Giant spot and the Giants just leaked. We really
like Michael Pennix. I've been told the Raiders like Michael Pennix.
Speaker 5 (16:43):
Remember the Giants.
Speaker 6 (16:44):
This is a Giants group here that was in Buffalo
and didn't have to give up a lot of assets
for Josh Allen. They don't want to give up assets
for their guy. They want to stand pat and get
their guys. The posturing is fun and exciting. I almost
feel like the move is to stay off social media
until the drafts arts, because there's gonna be a million
of these here in the next.
Speaker 1 (17:02):
Like, what three four hours?
Speaker 5 (17:03):
Yet? You gonna get a nap? Or are you gonna
hit the gym?
Speaker 1 (17:06):
Uh, I'm gonna go push some weights around. You gotta
order some food for tonight? What do you get hang
out with my daughter?
Speaker 5 (17:13):
Maymy go for a Walxican food again?
Speaker 1 (17:15):
Or now I'm not sure something that digests well because
I'm gonna be up all night.
Speaker 5 (17:18):
Okay, final story.
Speaker 6 (17:19):
The draft just a few hours away, and according to
Diana Rossini, who's coming on the show here shortly, the
Rams Colin are making calls to trade up from nineteen
to land somewhere in the top ten. The Rams have
not had a first round pick since twenty sixteen. Does
feel maybe out of character for McVeigh to move up,
(17:39):
But McVeigh and sneed are.
Speaker 1 (17:41):
Okay, let's let's ask yourself. What do they need.
Speaker 5 (17:44):
For the lost Aaron Donald?
Speaker 1 (17:46):
Yeah, but you could. You can get Newton from Illinois
at nineteen. Defensive take they love Murphy again. You don't
have to move up far for him. He're moving up.
My takeaway is you move up three to four spots
and get Brock Bowers because Tyler Higbee got hurt, They've.
Speaker 5 (18:03):
Got up for a tight end.
Speaker 1 (18:05):
Well I'm I'm not throwing it out that. I'm not
saying that to Okay, So I know this. They like
their tackles. They do like their tackles, and there's enough
good tackles. But at nineteen they can get a tackle.
They can get a tackle. So it might take away
what are they moving up for. It's either a quarterback. Well,
(18:26):
I just they're there. They want to draft quarterback and
they may go to the second round to get it.
But they know a lot of people in the second
one Pratt. So my takeaway is I know the Colts
want a tight end. So the bottom line is Higby
got hurt. They brought in Parkinson from Seattle. Colby the
Stanford kid a tight end. They're okay at tight end
if Higgby not ready to go. But Hookah, Cooper Cup
(18:50):
are their receivers. And I think they believe. And I'll
tell you this, I've talked to two people. They love
brock Bowers. They just don't love them as a top
seven or eight. But as Greg when Greg cole Sell
says he does this, he may be the greatest I've
ever seen Greg cole sell forty four years watching ever,
that's what he said. So, now again, you're not moving
(19:12):
up from nineteen to nine? Are you moving up? Well?
Just does she say in top.
Speaker 5 (19:15):
Ten to land somewhere in the top ten?
Speaker 6 (19:18):
Let me ask, are the Rams super Bowl contenders in
the NFC?
Speaker 1 (19:21):
Absolutely?
Speaker 6 (19:23):
So?
Speaker 5 (19:23):
Then do you draft?
Speaker 1 (19:25):
Well? They had quarterback?
Speaker 3 (19:26):
They have?
Speaker 1 (19:26):
They have eleven picks, so and they nailed their draft
outside of their fourth round pick last year Stetson and Bennett.
They nailed a lot of picks, that's right. So they
had a first, a second, two thirds. I thought they
were going to move back to get a fourth.
Speaker 5 (19:40):
So the quarterback couldn't make sense.
Speaker 6 (19:41):
Remember Stafford has that big contract, he's had an injury history.
Do you get your quarterback here for the future, the
way the Packers drafted Jordan Love when they had Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 5 (19:52):
You let it bake and then a couple of years
later your quarterback is ready to dominate.
Speaker 1 (19:57):
So I mean, when when I hear this, I could
see the Rams moving up inside the top ten.
Speaker 2 (20:03):
I don't.
Speaker 1 (20:04):
I don't know. They like their tackles now Havevenstein may
retire in a year, but again, you could stay at
nineteen and get a tackle, wide receiver. They're not gonna.
I mean, I don't think they're going to. Because they
hit a home run with Puka looks night. I think
what they're looking there's things they need, but trading. They
needed edge rusher, so it would they move up for
(20:26):
Jared Verse from Florida State. That is the one player
that's interesting. But I don't think he's a top ten pick.
I think he's like thirteen to fourteen.
Speaker 2 (20:35):
Trading up for.
Speaker 5 (20:35):
An edge rusher. I just I don't know that that
makes sense.
Speaker 1 (20:40):
Well, I think I would always be willing to move up.
Remember quarterback, left tackle, weapon, pass rusher. That's the league.
So those positions you can move up for.
Speaker 5 (20:50):
Yeah, I mean your first good player.
Speaker 1 (20:52):
I think he was twenty. I will tell you this.
Even though McVeigh is an offensive guy, Sean is right.
Sean understands the value of defense. Like he doesn't. He
doesn't want.
Speaker 6 (21:07):
They lost more Raggie Morris, didn't they hit They had
two home runs last year in the third round on
defensive players.
Speaker 1 (21:13):
But they need another edge rusher.
Speaker 6 (21:14):
Now.
Speaker 1 (21:14):
I think you can stay there or move up slightly
to get it.
Speaker 5 (21:17):
I think the Lions scored like the first three times
they had this.
Speaker 1 (21:19):
This is amazing. I can't believe this. Diana Russini's on next.
Speaker 5 (21:22):
I mobill see.
Speaker 1 (21:23):
I could see them moving up top ten. I don't
know what they need. I don't know what it is.
Jared versus somebody I think they like, but he's more
in the twelve thirteen.
Speaker 6 (21:34):
Yeah, I just think that front office is too smart
to trade up. If anything, trade back, get more bites
at the apple. You get thirteen draft picks.
Speaker 1 (21:43):
Okay, if Dan Indianapolis drafts war fifteen powers. Okay, here's
my take. If brock Bowers isn't taken, they'll move up
to fourteen to get him because they Colts want him.
I could see him moving up there. But I thought
my guess was this whole draft they were gonna move
back about five spots because I think there's some defensive
(22:04):
linemen they like, edge rushers and Chop Robinson. Penn State
could be the next twenty three twenty four. That's my guest.
Speaker 6 (22:11):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (22:12):
Jmck with a news.
Speaker 2 (22:14):
Well that's the news, and thanks for stopping by the
herd Line News.
Speaker 1 (22:18):
All right, Diana's next. I gotta figure this out with
the Rams. I don't know what I gotta get on
the phone. I don't know what it is. I don't
know who they like in the top ten. They're not
really a move up team. They're a move back team.
Blankedin picks. I mean, yeah, who knows. We'll talk to
Diana next to Herd.
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Speaker 1 (23:21):
All Right, Diana Russini, the Athletics Senior NFL insider cover
the NFL for almost a decade. All right, this has
got us all worked out. She's out there doing what
she does. This is crazy. So he just got into
this discussion. Look at her. Look at her smirk on
her face. That's somebody that's got information.
Speaker 8 (23:37):
Smirk is my smirk is because you're fighting the information
rather than just sitting back and hugging it and embracing
and feeling grateful for you. You're so mad that the
rams are making calls in the top ten right now
to try to get up.
Speaker 1 (23:52):
Okay, well you okay, we've established maybe I'm not sure
what to do. My take is they don't need a quarterback.
They don't they like I was. They like their tackles
Jared Verse, but I don't think he's a top ten picks.
Are we sure it's a top ten move?
Speaker 8 (24:13):
Are you questioning my report?
Speaker 5 (24:15):
Yes, it's yes, Colin.
Speaker 8 (24:17):
I wouldn't put it out there if it wasn't true.
Speaker 5 (24:19):
It's my job, right, So it's accurate.
Speaker 8 (24:22):
So they've been working the phones trying to move up, because,
as you know, when it comes to the draft, there's
a lot of organizations with the philosophy if you love
a guy you go get them and you do what
it takes. And there's obviously a player that Sean McVay
is in love with right now, and they are willing,
for the first time since twenty sixteen with that first
(24:44):
round pick move up to go get that guy. So
we don't know who that's going to be just yet,
but you know, we could probably go through it all.
I can tell you I do not believe this to
be a quarterback right So there have been some people
that have thought that maybe this is a direction they
would go with Matthew Stafford getting older and perhaps they're
(25:05):
being a need there in the backup position, but I
don't really believe that that's the direction they're going in,
especially knowing the other quarterback situations that are happening at
the top of the draft.
Speaker 1 (25:16):
So my guess was Jared Verse. I mean, they need
an edge rusher.
Speaker 7 (25:22):
And you know.
Speaker 1 (25:25):
They don't need to tackle a quarterback, and they've got
two receives. My guess has brought powers the tight end
from Georgia, who Greg co Sell said an hour ago
is the best he's ever seen on tape. Greg co
Sell is not hyperbolic, So my take is Tyler Higby
got hurt in the final game. They went and got
a backup from Seattle. Tyler is expensive. You don't want
to pay tight ends a lot of money. That is
(25:46):
my gut. I know you can't say and everything like that,
but Mike, I'm just doing process of elimination. They need
an edge. I know they're interested in tight end. They
would get a receiver, but this is a receiver rich draft.
They don't need to tackle year at verse they like.
But he'll be available at fourteen. That's my guess. Okay, there,
so there we go.
Speaker 3 (26:05):
I think it would make a lot.
Speaker 8 (26:06):
I think it would make sense if they're going to
make this kind of move to go after an offensive
type player, knowing Sean probably wants another toy there, you know,
So brock Bowers would make that That would not shock
me at all. And obviously Greg Kusel knows a lot
and he knows a lot of these things, so I
don't think any of us could be shocked. I'm just
(26:29):
concerned though, because I had heard the Jets had really
liked Bowers as well. There, so I'm curious who they're
going to be able to get in front, or who
they're gonna be able to trade out with if this
can even happen to try to make that move to
beat the Jets. Let's say, if it is Bowers that
they're going after, we go fastest.
Speaker 1 (26:47):
A lot, Jesus, A.
Speaker 8 (26:49):
Lot can happen, Colin, Like, we've got a lot of
time here, but the fact it tells you a lot
that they're already making these calls in here. And I've
now heard it from two different teams. So they're aggressive.
You're trying to make this happen.
Speaker 1 (27:02):
Yeah, calgo bronck Powers. That's my guess. I know the
Higbee injury concern them, and I know they don't want
to pay a ton. They just they don't want to
pay a ton to tight ends. So that's my guess. Okay,
Broncos at twelve So I heard another story there moving up.
Not from you, my guests, is they want Nicks but
they could get him later. Give me what, well, you're
(27:24):
again you're smiling at me at this point.
Speaker 8 (27:26):
I love because you're like not from you, like, actually
it was from me, I put. I put a column
out yesterday on the Athletic and I went very aggressive
saying that the Denver Broncos are in the quarterback market, yes,
Zach Wilson's They're awesome, great. I think he will be
a great quarterback project, you know, for Sean Payton, who
(27:46):
I do believe believes that Zach Wilson has some talent
and maybe perhaps just a new change of environment and
new staff Davis Web. Obviously they're the quarterbacks coach that
everyone raves about out there in Denver. So he's not
the starter though, Zachilson was not traded to be the starter.
So Broncos need a quarterback, and I believe that Sean
(28:07):
Payton is going to put together a package if there's
a guy there that he loves. When he was in
New Orleans and him and Mickey Loomis worked together, that
was always that philosophy in that building. If you love him,
go get him. So if Sean McVay, excuse me, if
Sean Payton has a quarterback right now that he loves,
I would not put it past them to put everything
together a package that would blow the doors off just
(28:30):
to get the guy. It's just is there a quarterback
that's going to be available that he's going to do
that for and is there going to be a team
open to doing that.
Speaker 1 (28:39):
Finally, Patriots third pick. I could argue they should move
back and improve the roster. I could argue, get Drake May.
What's your hunch on New England number three?
Speaker 8 (28:51):
I think if Bill Belichick was there, they would trade out.
I think they would try to build this thing that
just how we saw in Houston. But I have a
good feeling and I think the teams that are calling
to move up there believe that Drake May is going
to be their selection. A few days ago, I was
told that there were people in that building that really
(29:11):
liked JJ McCarthy right, and they were just trying to
all get on the same page. As happens we know
this time of year, especially with the newer staff obviously
ownership here overseeing all of this, making sure they get
this right. They want a quarterback, and sometimes that pressure,
you know, why take any risks of missing out on
(29:32):
getting a quarterback to move out to try to get
back up and take that risk of not getting back up.
And that's the problem, and that's really where you're I'm
sensing some anxiety from a lot of different teams right
now that are in the quarterback market. Nobody wants to
get boxed out, so it's going to be really interesting
to see who's going to be the first team to
(29:52):
trade out, And right now, for me, it feels that
the Chargers would be the team most open to moving
out for a team that IS's hungry for a quarterback.
Speaker 1 (30:01):
All right, senior NFL insider of the Athletics. I'm not mad.
I just had the rams. This is aggressive, This is
less is being aggressive, And so to me, to do
that move, you're not getting Caleb and you're not getting Harrison.
So we have three players that are considered all time talents.
(30:22):
Caleb is an all timer, Harrison's an all timer. Brock
Bowers is an all timer. Rest of these guys are
Joe Alt's good, he's not Trent Williams. We got three
all time talents. Sean's not moving up for a guy
who's good. He's not getting Caleb, but he's not getting Harrison.
So my guess is the Georgia. Okayh he's in love. Yeah,
(30:46):
well you know what happens when you're in love?
Speaker 3 (30:49):
What happens?
Speaker 1 (30:51):
Tell me, starry eyes? You go crazy? You know.
Speaker 8 (30:55):
Look they're aggressive. Look they're just making those calls. Right,
It doesn't mean anything's done. It doesn't mean it's going
to happen. But the fact that they're poking around and
apparently pretty determined to get in there tells you they
got a plan.
Speaker 1 (31:09):
Good stuff, great seeing you as always great seeing.
Speaker 8 (31:11):
You, Love seeing you guys, Thanks for having me all right.
Speaker 1 (31:14):
Yeah, Sean McVay is not moving up for a good player.
And there's three difference makers, like people literally are saying
this is the best in ten years, Caleb, Harrison, and
Brock Powers. So to me, the Rams, if they move up,
it's brock Powers. Now, you probably want to get ahead
of the Jets. So my guess is they would move up.
(31:36):
Oh oh oh, the Bears have the ninth. The Bears
move back to nineteenth with the Rams. So my guess
is the Rams are trading with the Bears to get
Brock Powers. That's a hunch, but that's my guess. They
want to get ahead of the Jets because Bowers, Indy
wants him. The Jets rumor to have him on their radar.
My guess would be Rams move up, Bears want to
(31:57):
move back anyway, which I think would be a great
move because the Bears, I think, only only have four picks.
I think the Bears want more picks and the Rams.
You're not moving up. There's no way we got Matt Stafford. Okay,
you gotta be. It's like Steph Curry and the Warriors.
You gotta be on Stafford's timeline. So obviously McVeigh looks
at this and thinks who can come in and play? Harrison, Bowers,
(32:19):
Caleb those guys are coming in playing. Some people think
the LSU receiver is in, that Neighbors is also in.
That gonna produce Day one.
Speaker 6 (32:30):
So this would fall into the well you can't draft
a tight end high, it doesn't work, it's not smart. Well, well,
if they if McVeigh gets Bowers, I mean he's gonna
be awesome.
Speaker 5 (32:39):
That's a given.
Speaker 3 (32:40):
Lock it up.
Speaker 1 (32:41):
McVay, Stafford, Kyron Williams, Pooka, Cooper cup Bowers.
Speaker 6 (32:46):
Their tight end depth chart is Tyler Higbee, Hurt, Kobe Parkinson, backup, Davis.
Speaker 1 (32:51):
Allen, Nice, Clemson good solid, Hunter Long. They need a star.
And again I think McVeigh looks at it and thinks,
who's guarding that guy? Fred Warner good luck, because he
may be the only linebacker that could cover it.
Speaker 6 (33:07):
I don't think he can hang with them.
Speaker 1 (33:10):
We'll see you tomorrow. Exhausting, very exciting,
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