April 25, 2024 • 42 mins
Colin unveils his final Mock Draft featuring a big trade for an NFC contender to get their QB of the future
Guest: Joel Klatt
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Speaker 1 (00:26):
All right, Our two Draft day is here. We're live
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in Detroit, home of the draft that bounces around the country,
which I think is awesome. I love that. Went to
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be listening. Thanks for making us part of your day.
I'll be honest with you. I'm having a good hair day,
feel good about my life right now, clear eyed. For tonight,
I get so excited, so excited. I'm gonna be doing
some live YouTube stuff and I love tonight. It's my
favorite night. I think this is the best weekend of
the year that's out of the football season. This weekend
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that's out of the football season.
Speaker 3 (01:11):
I mean opening weekend of NCAA tournament. But that's not bad.
Speaker 1 (01:14):
That's second.
Speaker 3 (01:16):
So I like the comment I'm having a good hair day.
Speaker 4 (01:19):
I am really well, I'm coming off the Nashville trip
and you know, things get so it's amazing. But like
guys say comments like that and we all kind of
laugh and like, you know you've seen.
Speaker 3 (01:28):
Swingers, you know, Oh, I've shirt so money. You know
you're so money. That line was great with.
Speaker 4 (01:33):
The ladies, Like I think you could, you could, you
could take the next Nashville trip with us.
Speaker 3 (01:37):
Would you be in with an let that fly?
Speaker 5 (01:40):
Oh?
Speaker 1 (01:40):
An would let it fly? I'm not sure if I would.
Speaker 4 (01:42):
Oh yeah, you don't trust yourself. I am kind of
a bad influence of that.
Speaker 1 (01:46):
Yes, you are all right. This is my final mock.
I'm gonna get one pick right for sure, and that's
about it. But let's play. Let's play the game. This
is kind of my gut feeling. I do have one
trade in it. I'm not going to try to guess throughout,
but I do think Minnesota wants to move up. They
may not, but I kind of think they accumulated a
second first round pick to move up, and I think
I know who they like. So here we go. All right.
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First pick is easy. Chicago gets Caleb Williams. They've got
really nice weapons Keenan Allen, DJ Moore, Gerald Everett, Cole
Coment DeAndre Swift. I think Ryan Poles has done a
really good job. I was out on him early. He
whiffed on a couple of receivers, Chase Claypool, Vilas Jones,
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but we have to be fair in this business. His
last six or seven moves, I've loved all of them.
Montez Sweat, we loved everybody else didn't. I think Ryan
Poles is the GM for the future. Caleb's the quarterback
for the future. That was an easy one. I'm gonna
go Jaden Daniels to Washington. That's what I've been told
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by a sore side trust. I think Drake may may
have a higher ceiling, but I think they go with
a kid that can play. He's the Lamar Jackson. Been
watching him in Baltimore, now they get there. Lamar Jackson,
highly productive, lots of starts, beautiful deep ball, Terry McLaurin,
Cliff Kingsbury. He can sort of hide that average O
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line for the first couple of years. I think he's terrific.
I have him at two and he's ready to play now.
I think the Vikings are moving up and I think
they want Drake May and I think they move up
to first to get him. I think they're moving up
somewhere to get him. And this is my guess. Listen,
the kid had twenty sixteen. He's in one pick on
third and fourth downs. He's a little raw. So was Mahomes.
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So was Lamar, So was Jordan Love. So was Josh Allen.
He's the youngest of four boys. That's a really good sign.
He's never had elite weapons all over the field. He's
had to elevate others. I think Drake May goes to
the Vikings at three. New England, by the way, goes
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back to eleven. Cardinals take Marvin Harrison, arguably best player
in the draft. They don't have a very good receiving corps.
It's Chris More, it's Michael Wilson, it's kind of guys.
This is they have a tight end. I like a quarterback.
I love a running back, guy like a lot. This
rounds it out with a defensive coach. They've also got
three thirds another first. Harrison is money as good at
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college receiver. I've seen since maybe a Calvin Johnson. And
now it's up to the Chargers. I think they want
to move down. I don't think they'll get any takers.
JC Latham is the Latham is the right tackle of
note in this draft. Plays like a bully, people mover.
They call him violent hands. He's classic Hardbaugh. I don't
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think I don't see him getting a receiver again in
the first round. Quentin Johnson feels like a semi miss
to this point, and now we go to six. I
don't think they want the fourth quarterback. I think they're
gonna get a star receiver. They're paying Daniel Jones Molik neighbors. Listen.
The LSU's a receiver factory. He's a playmaker. Led the
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nation in big time catches thirty four catches of over
twenty yards. So my guess is, oh, you know a
lot of these LSU receivers end up being really good
and really productive in year one, and they just have
a lack of weapons. Now that Saquon Barkley is gone,
Giants take elite Neighbors. I think the Titans would move
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down and get another tackle, but Joe Alt's the best
one right now at left tackle. A true left tackle,
so I think they take him Notre Dame. He's athletic.
He was played a little defensive end tight end in
high school. Brian Kelly told us this week their only
question was could they put weight on him and get
him over three hundred pounds. I think he's really good.
I don't know if he's Trent Williams good, but he's
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a very very good left tackle. And again, if will
Levis is going to succeed, he can't do it on
his back. They get a left tackle.
Speaker 2 (06:00):
Atlanta.
Speaker 1 (06:00):
Jarrett's a good defensive tackle, but he's getting up there
in age. I think they go with Byron Murphy. They
upgraded their offense in the offseason. They went and got
Kirk Cousins, they got Darnell Moody, Ronde all Moore. They
are stacked on offense. They're going defense, and I think
they're gonna go on the inside with a d tackle.
I like Atlanta a lot. I think they win their division.
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I think they have great offensive pieces. I think they'll
be one of the highest scoring offenses in the NFL.
But to score, you need the ball, and to get
the ball, you gotta make stops. And they'll get a
big guy inside. Bears had the fewest sacks in the league.
I think they go with Dallas Turner, the edge out
of Alabama. He's consistent. Listen, Alabama edges Will Anderson. They
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do well in the NFL. And again, I think the
Bears are more than talented on offense. And I think
Matt Eberflus head coaches make more than gms. Will pound
on the table and say, listen, we got a corner
in Jalen Johnson, we got Montegus. What you gotta give
me a complimentary edge rusher, and this kid's a you know,
Alabama edge rushers in my life have done pretty well
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out of Nick Saban's program. Here we go, Jets take
the smart decision. Offensive tackle Oregon State, highest graded run blocker,
Tallaisi Wonga out of Oregon State. Again, right tackle, you
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can move him inside. I don't want to hear about
Brock Bowers. He's a tight end. He's very good. History
is rough on tight ends. In the first round, even
Kyle Pitts was a lock and it hasn't worked out
so far. They went and got two old tackles. Go
get a young one, Go get a bedrock right tackle.
This is the move to make I take him at ten. Okay,
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the Vikings traded this pick to New England. They get
a number one receiver in rome A doonsay, a grown up, productive,
ready to play. Got better every year with Michael Pennix
and Kaitlin de Boorr. Listen, New England has a million needs.
They need draft capital and weapons, and I'd argue that
right now is almost more valuable than a quarterback. And
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they may just they may be Jaden Daniels fan and
he gets taked by Washington. I think it's circumstantial. I
think they're gonna sit and wait and to see who
Washington takes, and if they take the quarterback they have
higher graded. I think New England moves down and gets
a wide receiver. I don't love wide receivers in the
first round, but this kid's really good. I think the
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Broncos would trade back if they could. But if JJ
McCarthy falls to them, I think Sean Payton sees a
guy that's got mobility, won a lot of games, had
an NFL coach in college, so he's clearly coachable. He's
used to hard coaching. I don't love JJ McCarthy. A
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lot of decisions are split on this. I think it's
two red to draft Bo Nicks or Michael Pennix JJ
McCarthy falls. I know there's this rumor everybody's moving up
to get him. I think he'll be drafted at twelve,
which is much more appropriate for his skills, and I
think the Raiders don't have the draft capital to move up.
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I don't think they're going to do it. Tom Tellesco's
history as a GM is not big swings moving up.
And I think they take Penn State's tackle Olufshanu, who
is a really good pass protector, doesn't play with enough physicality.
Maybe Antonio Pierce brings that out of him. But again,
I don't have a problem ever taking a tackle in
the first round outside of center. The safest position to
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take in the first round in the last twenty drafts
is tackle. Offensive line guys with fewer than any other positions,
wide receivers, tight end with more. So there you go.
I don't know if I get any more than Caleb Wright.
Joel Klatt joins US Live. He'll be on the NFL
Network Draft show tonight. By the way, Brock Bauers, the
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tight end is really good, but outside a wide receiver.
Tight end misses more than any position in the first
round in the last twenty years. Some of this I
would propose to you. I would submit that it's because
in the NFL you have to block to the tight end,
and outside of Iowa, a lot of programs don't ask
their tight ends to block. My first round, first thirteen
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picks is a lot of tackles. I got a lot
of tackles here, am I nuts? What's your guess on that?
Speaker 6 (10:32):
No, it's a really heavy offensive tackle draft, and they're
all very good players. All of those guys are going
to get selected in the first round, and I think
everyone that you have will get selected in the top fifteen.
So you're absolutely right on that one. I mean, who's
throwing the ball to Roma doonesday?
Speaker 5 (10:51):
I mean, just like like, well, I don't want to
understand that one.
Speaker 6 (10:57):
New England cannot move out of three unless they can
guarantee themselves that they're going to be in a position
to draft one of the top six quarterbacks. So there's
no way they would trade back to eleven, have JJ
on the board and then pass on JJ. They also
like JJ, but you're right in the fact that they
want to move up. They're trying to get up into
that top three for Drake May because this Jayden and
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Daniels not even smoke, but the rumors and everything about
him in Washington, that is very real. Right now, you're
gonna have Caleb, then you're gonna have Jayden, and then
the draft really starts. Is someone coming up for Drake May?
And is New England willing to deal that pick? I
think that's all fascinating. And the other part that I
would just I would just throw out is I want
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Jim Harbaugh to take Marvin Harrison junior just because because
that's like the college I mean that just wants to
see it, right.
Speaker 1 (11:51):
You know, It's funny that the Chargers are interesting because
they do want to trade down. They need a center,
a tackle, a receiver, a tight end, a defensive tackle.
They have some needs. Have two fours now let.
Speaker 5 (12:03):
Me jump in. Sorry, but whatever, It's like, you and
I do this really well. Tight end.
Speaker 6 (12:08):
You brought up tight end. What if I told you
let me just play Devil's advocate on tight end? Now
I get it what you're saying about first round because
all the guys I'm about to mention were not first rounders. However,
you can't show me a team maybe other than like
Kansas City their first super Bowl, but they still.
Speaker 5 (12:24):
Have my homes.
Speaker 6 (12:25):
You can't show me a team that won a super
Bowl because their best offensive player is a wide receiver.
And so your sentiment about like I don't love a
first round wide receiver.
Speaker 5 (12:35):
I might be with you on that.
Speaker 6 (12:36):
Even though some of these guys are very talented. However,
check this out the last eight Super Bowl winners, every
single one of them, they had a guy and I
would argue as a primary offensive weapon in the passing
game that owned and operated in the middle.
Speaker 5 (12:51):
Of the field.
Speaker 6 (12:51):
Yeah, Cooper Cup with the Rams drunk and Travis Kelce.
So these people, including you, which you just did it,
you want to devalue tight ends because of Kyle Pitts.
I really legitimately believe that Harbam might think about brock
Bauers there now if he could trade back, like with
Minnesota or someone to get brock Bauers in the middle
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of the first round. He is so offensive line and
tight end driven. This has been his blueprint everywhere he's been. Yeah,
I just think Bowers has a lot more value than
maybe people want to give him credit.
Speaker 1 (13:24):
So what's really interesting to me? There are two teams
that I think should take a quarterback first or second round.
Jets don't have a second round pick, and it's the
Jets and the Cowboys. So I think the kid at
two lanes thing.
Speaker 5 (13:38):
Other than the obvious, other than like the obvious quarterback needs.
Speaker 1 (13:42):
Yeah, so if I was the Cowboys, I would consider
Penix if he drops or or Pratt in the second round.
The Jets front two ends. Yeah, Jets would have to
go to the third round or moved out in the
first to get a second round pick. But I do
think Aaron Rodgers, I think you have to get somebody
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sitting behind him, somebody that's maybe a bit raw, and
I think Dallas has to consider that. I'm sorry, if
sixty million, fifty eight millions, what I gotta pay Dak,
I'm gonna roll the dice. I mean, I've only got
two playoff wins in eight years. What do you make?
How far do you think pennisick Bnicks fall? Because I've
heard this from two GMS. Denver's too rich for either,
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twelve's too rich, fifteen sixteen teams are more even the
Rams at nineteen I think would consider both those guys.
Is there a chance Nicks or Pennis fall out of
the first round in your opinion? What say you on
your ear evaluation.
Speaker 6 (14:42):
There's always a chance. There's always a chance. Now there
are six specific quarterback need teams in the first round,
and I hear you about that that twelve spot with
Denver maybe being too rich for a Knicks or Pennix.
The problem is Denver doesn't have a second round pick,
so they might be forced into this, and they also
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don't have a lot of ammunition. Like let's say Denver
loves JJ McCarthy or they want to maybe try to
like move up. Well, everyone would be looking at their
roster and saying, the only commodity that we value is
Patrick Stirtan. They're not treating Patrick Shirtan. So then you
look at draft capital. They don't have any draft capital.
They gave it all up for Russell Wilson and Sean Payton.
So Denver may be forced into a position. We're at
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the twelfth selection, they can't move they don't want to
move back, or can't move back based on who's available
and the value there, and they might be forced into
selecting one of those guys. I think Nix has been,
in my mind a fit for Sean Payton. He likes
a guy that wants to operate from a more of
a point guard mindset, Yes and hold the ball, and
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that's what Nix is very similar to Drew Brees in
terms of that mindset.
Speaker 5 (15:56):
But to your original.
Speaker 6 (15:57):
Question, I'm actually, if I had to bet my own money,
I would be betting tonight that all six of those
quarterbacks are taken tonight in the first round.
Speaker 5 (16:04):
I really think that we're going to get all six
of them.
Speaker 1 (16:07):
So I think the quarterback that's most interesting to me
is Drake May because like Jordan Love or Josh Allen
or Patrick Mahomes or Lamar Jackson, he's not quite there yet,
needs to be refined to tad get the right coach.
But the draft has shown us in recent years. Draft
the traits, if you have the right coordinator, draft the traits.
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Don't get too caught up on college production. That's circumstantial
based on coach. You know, Jade and Daniels got two
more years to start over Drake May. Drake May lost
a great receiver. NCAA took him out late, So I
mean the Drake May thing's fascinating. I didn't watch a
ton of them. I watched two games, and I thought
I got a good one and not a good one.
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But boy, he looks like Herbert. He completely looks the part.
What say you on him?
Speaker 5 (16:58):
I could totally agree.
Speaker 6 (16:59):
I think his upside is as high as anybody except
for Caleb in this draft. If you take Caleb off
the table, Drake has the highest upside of anybody. He
makes throws that Jayden Daniels and JJ McCarthy and even
Michael Pennox and Bo Nick's only dream of making off
platform throws. He's highly competitive, which actually got himself into
trouble without a great weapons set around him at North Carolina.
Speaker 5 (17:22):
He was trying to do too much.
Speaker 6 (17:23):
And by the way, that that's also kind of the
same mold that Caleb fell into at USC this year. Yeah,
they tried to do too much based on their competitive spirit,
and I think that's what got them in trouble. Because
now that you get into the draft process and people
are like, well, he wasn't efficient enough. Well, candidly, I
get so upset at these I'm sorry, like I'm gonna
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I get so upset at these draft people because they
they want these players to play specifically for their draft
evaluation and not for the actual win in front of
them on the field. It's like, well, he didn't complete
it enough. You know, his completion percentage wasn't high enough.
You show me a guy that protects his completion percentage,
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and I'll show you a guy that does not win. Now,
I know that Drake didn't win at an incredible clip,
but he was trying to. That's the competitive spirit I want.
Youngest of four. You talked about a very athletic family.
You know that he's tough and he's got a tough
spirit about him. The throwes he mix and I would
just say this, and I know you watched this game
the Holiday Bowl, not this last year, but the year
before when he played against Oregon Dan Lanning's first year
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at Oregon. He made a couple of throws that made
me come right out of my seat. And their throws
that nobody else makes. And if this guy sits for
a year, he will be a top ten quarterback in
the National Football League. There's no doubt about it in
my mind.
Speaker 1 (18:41):
Awesome, So the Bears, I said my three takes on
the draft Arizona with eleven picks two first rounders, three
and the third will be the most improved team Monday.
They'll do a Houston. They'll do a Houston. But Houston
went into the draft without even having a quarterback. So
Arizona's got the quarterback.
Speaker 5 (18:58):
But why not? Why not Chicago?
Speaker 3 (19:00):
Though?
Speaker 1 (19:01):
Well no, so I said Arizona will be the most
improved team because I don't.
Speaker 5 (19:06):
I'm saying why not Chicago.
Speaker 1 (19:07):
Because it being a rookie quarterback and a good divisions
hard the Chargers will be the most fascinating draft. The
Texans just did it well, but they weren't super Bowl.
They were they they over at cheat. We loved them.
It was a neat story. Chicago's not going to be
a super Bowl team.
Speaker 5 (19:21):
I did that neat story.
Speaker 1 (19:22):
Well, I mean, I think Chicago's going to have the
draft that in twenty years we're still talking about because
I think Caleb's going to be their first star quarterback ever.
I mean, they've never had a quarterback throw for thirty touchdowns.
The Packers have done it eighteen times with four quarterbacks.
Bears have never done it once. This will be for
a blue blood franchise. The draft twenty years from now
that you go oh, remember that draft we got Caleb Williams.
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Yeah so I so, by the way.
Speaker 6 (19:46):
You still think so in twenty years the Bears will
have the best draft. But Monday it's going to be
the card.
Speaker 1 (19:51):
No, No, Arizona's going to be the most improved team overnight.
Chicago's in a division green Bay and green Bay and
Detroit are stacked. Those are the best two teams in
the division. And I think the best coach maybe in Minnesota,
and if Darnold is okay, they'll vie for a playoff.
Arizona's gonna get seven starters out of this thing in
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a division where Seattle they could. Yeah, I mean, I
just think they're getting Now again, there's a difference between
the best team Monday. I'm being realistic about Caleb. So
let's pivot to this. I think Caleb's gonna be twenty
four touchdowns, eight picks, ninety passer rating, spectacular, little rough
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gotta win by shootouts in this division. It's an excellent
division and they finish eight and nine. Is that reasonable?
Speaker 5 (20:44):
Yeah?
Speaker 6 (20:45):
I'm actually more bullish on Chicago. I think if you
look at the quarterback needy teams, the ones that are
likely to take a quarterback. The two best possible situations
to go into are Chicago and Minnesota because the weapons
around the young quarterback, right you you outlined that when
you were going through your mock. I love this idea
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that you have of like Dallas Turner potentially slipping past
Atlanta and getting to Chicago. If that were to happen,
or even if they were to go like Jared Verse
or something along those lines, I think that you could
be in a situation where, for the third straight year
you have a team of the National Football League have
both the offensive and defensive Rookie of the Year in
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Pro football. We had it with Sauce Gardner and Garrett Wilson,
last year with Will Anderson and c. J.
Speaker 5 (21:36):
Stroud.
Speaker 6 (21:37):
And if you got a top end, you know, edge
player at nine, Chicago could be in that mode as well,
offensive and defensive Rookie of the Year. I get it
about the division, I'm less I'm less enthused about Minnesota.
I like Kevin O'Connell, I don't know. I don't know
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for me, like how is this Darnald young quarterback situation
going to go? In particular with Justin Jefferson, Like when
does he start getting upset about not getting the ball
or not getting the ball on time. Is he going
to be willing to allow these quarterbacks to grow or wait,
I'm not sure. Whereas like, Caleb's going to a place
where he's going to be the guy. There's offensive weapons
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around him, and there's an organization that is in a
much better position to succeed than they were when they drafted.
Justin fields, they reminded me much more of the Houston
Texans last year than the Carolina Panthers. I think we
would all agree with that, And that's why I think
we might be selling Caleb's impact on the National Football
League next year short. I think it could be pretty profound.
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This guy has a skill set that we have not
seen come out of college football ever. Ever, He's a
mixture of a great pocket passer and Patrick Mahomes, and
Mahomes didn't have any of his pocket presence or schematic
presence when he came out of Texas Tech. And yet
you've also got the ability to be off platform outside
of the pocket and be an absolute weapon throwing the
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ball down the field. So I think we might because
we've seen him for so long and people get turned
off with the nail polish and the crying, and I
think we might be selling short Caleb's impact on the
NFL next season.
Speaker 1 (23:18):
Okay, I don't dislike that. I just I think Green
bayd Detroit are staffed. I think those teams are really good.
You know what if Caleb gets drafted number one to celebrate,
I could do nail polish Monday. Why not? Why not
go all in on him?
Speaker 6 (23:31):
I mean, don't bring it up unless you can do it.
I mean, you saw Harbaugh's he got the tattoo. He
claimed he was going to get a tattoo, and he
got his tattoo. So now all he's got to do
is get taken number one, and you're wearing nail polish Monday.
Speaker 1 (23:45):
Let me think about it. Give me a segment to
think about it.
Speaker 5 (23:47):
I feel like you're back tracking. We're backtracking. What are
we doing? What are we doing?
Speaker 1 (23:53):
NFL Network, Joel Klatt have fun tonight. I'm jealous. That's
one of the few nights I like to be on
the road and working good. Stuflatt great, see anybody that
division is going to be crazy. What if the Vikings
get Drake May and the Bears get kaylab Williams I'm
gonna have Jared Goff, Drake May, Kayleb Williams and Jordan
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Love Holy. I mean, that's insane talent.
Speaker 4 (24:19):
I want to go back to something Clatt said. Did
he really say there is momentum.
Speaker 3 (24:22):
For McCarthy to go two?
Speaker 1 (24:24):
I don't see what are we doing?
Speaker 3 (24:27):
Thats ye that happens.
Speaker 1 (24:29):
You started this. You're a guy a year ago.
Speaker 4 (24:31):
Say in November top ten, But I did not say
anywhere near number two.
Speaker 3 (24:34):
I had a May and Daniel. That's crazy. This would
be Colin.
Speaker 1 (24:40):
I'm told. I'm told by somebody who's been three for
three with me in my life on sword sourcing. The
Jaden's going too. But again, but again, I I mean
Bill Belichick says, until twelve hours before the draft, are
not sure. What if somebody sweetens the pot and gives
them two firsts and they're like all right? I mean
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what if New England at three like somebody at two,
but not at three? I mean, who knows?
Speaker 4 (25:05):
Well, that's probably why we haven't seen any trades yet,
right other than that one Vikings culminatd.
Speaker 1 (25:10):
You just don't not everybody thinks they know. I've never
seen a mock draft, even in the first round. That's
fifty percent right. I've never seen one if you could, like,
I know I'm going to get the first pick, right,
I think I'm getting the second one right, and I
think I got Tennessee at Joe all feels right?
Speaker 3 (25:27):
How about this over? Under? Two and a half trades
in the top ten tonight would be too rich.
Speaker 1 (25:31):
Under that's too rich. Teams don't want to trade up.
They do like a prime example of fascinating to me
is the New York Giants. So the coach and the
GM won a new quarterback, they do You look around
the league. Daniel Jones is arguably of the sixteen NFC teams,
the thirteenth best NFC quarterback at best tenth in the
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AFC is the better quarterback conference. So I look at
the Giants and they're like, man, we can change everything.
And you've got a GM in ahead coach that could
be in trouble. So it's that that the Giants. I mean,
I know two things. The Giants want a quarterback. They're
praying somebody falls to them, but they don't want to
move up and give up because they have some elements
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cave on Foeba dough. They've got good defensive linemen. They're
pretty good in the box defensively. You don't want to
give up any of that stuff, and you can't give
up too much draft capital. Did you need it for pieces?
Speaker 3 (26:23):
So it's like Giants Vikings.
Speaker 1 (26:25):
There's some really chargers Chargers. There's about four of these
teams that I think Dallas. I don't think Tennessee wants
to move. Chicago doesn't want to move with their first pick.
I think the Jets are happy where they're at to
go get a really good tax.
Speaker 3 (26:36):
There's always mystery team. Do the Raiders? Jayden Daniels falls.
Speaker 1 (26:40):
Here's the downside of getting Aaron Rodgers, all right. The
only reason you got Aaron Rodgers because Zach Wilson busted,
so you were kind of trapped. You wouldn't have gone
if Zach Wilson played, so you had to. What you
did is you kind of reached and gave up stuff
because you whiffed it too. So that's the danger of
whiffing on a quarterback. We have to go get a quarterback.
We're in New York. We've been bad forever, right, so
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you go get Aaron Rodgers because you whiffed on Zach Wilson. Well,
the downside, they're doubling down on that. Now there's rumors
they're going to go get a playmaker. That's not what
they need. They need multiple picks. They don't have a
second round pick. So the problem with the Jets when
they hear that story, a they whiffed on a quarterback,
so then they had to kind of get an old
quarterback who is prickly in a better organization. Green Bay
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was like, take him, and then now they may double
down and go, let's reach and move up for a receiver.
It's like, oh, Jets, that's not what you do. So
even with Aaron, the whole story with Aaron is simple.
If Aaron plays every regular season game, you'll be a
viable football team. If you're the Jets, get out of
the Super Bowl, talk can you be viable? Can you
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sell your stadium out in Week fifteen? And if you win,
you have a chance to be a wildcard. We can
get to lower your expectations.
Speaker 3 (27:52):
Who's winning the division?
Speaker 1 (27:53):
Colin Buffalo? Again, the best quarterback wins the division. Mostly
in the league.
Speaker 4 (27:58):
Stefon Diggs is gone, like five starters defense are gone.
Speaker 1 (28:01):
You know what they were winning that division? Pri Stefon Diggs. Okay,
Lamar Jackson ends up getting to the playoffs every year.
You know it's funny. Patrick Mahomes this year, worse receiving
gore in the league won the Super Bowl. Anybody quarterbacks, right,
you'll you'll make the playoffs over the Buffalo Bills wide
receiver room.
Speaker 3 (28:19):
You can just bring another safety in the box, Josh Allen,
You're not going anywhere, buddy. I'm just telling you. The
Buffalo Bills are heading.
Speaker 4 (28:25):
And you know, I don't want to say too loudly
with the Bengals fan here, but this t Higgins wants out.
Trey Hendrickson wants to trade that Super Bowl window for
the Bengals starting to shrink. Joe Mixon's out of town.
Speaker 1 (28:37):
I don't think you're wrong on that. All Bills didn't
win the division before Stefan Diggs. I'm told they were good.
They made the playoffs. They made the playoffs with a
Tyrod Taylor. So you got a good coach, you have
a star defensive front, you got a star quarterback. Now
they have a running back that's really good, an elite
tied at They're gonna be fine. Buffalo's gonna be fine.
Speaker 3 (28:57):
Gonna be fine. Okay, not in eight is fine.
Speaker 1 (29:00):
They're not a nine to eight team. They're not a nine.
New England's not going to score this year. They're two
to zero right there, and they're not getting swept by
the Jets, and they're not getting swept by Miami. So
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Speaker 1 (29:40):
So good to have everybody today, JJ McCarthy, big debate
on him. I kind of like all these guys. JJ McCarthy,
I think is a first round talent. I don't see
him as a high first round talent. What do I know?
He was on rich Izon earlier this week on where
he thinks so good?
Speaker 7 (30:00):
Oh, I mean I have somewhat of an idea New
York Giants. I've spent the most time with you know,
they're a phenomenal staff love Coach Stable Love, you know,
mister Shane Love, Coach Tierney, coach Kafka Chicago guy. Just
being able to go in there pretty much know like
most of the install because he came Coach Dable came
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from Alabama and coach Gaddis came to Michigan from Alabama.
So it's similar formations, motions, uh, plays, all that stuff.
So being able to get that install in has been great.
Speaker 1 (30:33):
Mmm me tip his hand. I'm sure the giants love that.
I'm sure the New York Giants just loved that. What
do you think? So again, the Giants.
Speaker 3 (30:45):
Could easily be there at six. This whole thing is
the Patriots.
Speaker 4 (30:49):
Maybe don't love Drake May and the Vikings do. So
Vikings get Drake May at three, Jayden goes two. JJ
McCarthy's going to be there at six, and then the
Giants have to decide, right, they've done their whole work.
Speaker 3 (31:02):
I mean, I listen, I like McCarthy.
Speaker 1 (31:03):
Do you think the New York Giants liked that?
Speaker 3 (31:08):
Well, they spent the most time with him, they have to.
Speaker 1 (31:10):
Well, does Daniel Jones know that? Do you want that public?
If Fox was spending a lot If Fox was spending
a lot of time with somebody they were thinking of acquiring,
do you think they'd be happy if that person talked
about it publicly, especially if that person was replacing somebody
on a show.
Speaker 3 (31:27):
Probably not. What do you get again, huh?
Speaker 1 (31:29):
I'm saying I think it's great that the kid told
us that. I don't think the Giants love that they
have a quarterback who already has some self doubt. I
don't think the Giants wanted that. Good for Rich, but
I don't think the Giants loved.
Speaker 4 (31:44):
You know what else, The Giants all love Daniel Jones
stinking up the joint at quarterback.
Speaker 1 (31:48):
I mean, come on, I don't disagree with that either.
But it's just it's funny that JJ just comes out
and says, yeah, I've spent a lot of time with him,
install it really works. It's almost like there's a rule
in coaching we don't talk about coaching vacancies with teams
that have coaches. But now JJ's a kid. He's a
young kid. I don't He's not a thirty forty eight
year old coach that understands that temperature. But it's funny
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I'm thinking if I was a giant and he's saying that,
I'd be like, brother, ay, don't give away our trade secrets.
B we have Daniel Jones and we're already fighting with
our owner on that ping. So I love, I'm never
gonna beat up on you somebody that gives us content.
Aaron Rodgers is a content factory. So I always appreciate
and say it off and I appreciate the content. But
it's funny. As I listened to that, I'm like, that's awesome.
(32:32):
I'm sure the giants love that.
Speaker 3 (32:34):
Is there a whiff of Will Levis with JJ McCarthy.
Speaker 4 (32:37):
McCarthy comes down with the YouTube hair all the you
know the young kids have that YouTube hair.
Speaker 1 (32:41):
No, no, no, no.
Speaker 3 (32:41):
I think he's a selfie guy. Big arm.
Speaker 1 (32:44):
Well, he made better decisions than Will Levis. Will Levis
is have arm, will travel a lot.
Speaker 4 (32:51):
I mean, I'm mostly joking because I'm thinking back to
your Will Levis takes last year.
Speaker 1 (32:55):
No, it's my JJ McCarthy issue is traits. He's kind
of thin. He he put on a lot of weight
for the combined direct arm is okay, ball.
Speaker 3 (33:07):
His arm is really good, man.
Speaker 4 (33:09):
I think he's the one who threw a sixty one
mile an hour dart at the combine, which kind of
opened some eyes, like, dang, he's toolsy. If he's good
enough for hardball, Colin, he's good enough for a lot
of these.
Speaker 1 (33:20):
It's just it's very interesting. If you were going to
get drafted, you would avoid making news. JJ McCarthy saying that, well,
the Giants have really looked at me. I already got
the install in as they have a quarterback that makes news. Yeah,
(33:41):
I don't love that judgment, but he is young and
young guys. I'll tell you I saw something yesterday which
just validate. C J. Stroud did a podcast with Micah Parsons.
It was brilliant, and so they built teams for one play.
C J. Stroud is so imp oppressive, so quick, so
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cognitively twitchy. Like I watched and we all love CJ. Stroud,
but you watch CJ. Stroud with Micah Parsons and I
was like, damn, that kid is moving a thousand miles
an hour upstairs.
Speaker 4 (34:17):
I wouldn't know what that feels like because the Jets
have never had one of those guys since I've been
a fan of the team.
Speaker 3 (34:21):
I mean, no disrespects.
Speaker 1 (34:24):
I've always said this. I watched quarterbacks at the podium.
Do you have self awareness? Do you put out fires?
JJ McCarthy talking about that stuff? Good for rich, but
I wouldn't love that. If I was the Giants and
c J Stroud yesterday with Micah Parsons. You watched that thing,
I was just jaw. I was just like, whoa. Now
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we all know CJ's good. You want to know why
CJ sees the field so well, go watch that two
minute clip with Micah Parsons. That kid's going a thousand
miles an hour upstairs. He is, he is flying through stuff.
Funny line. I mean he's sent to humor, funny quick.
I mean he's making reads on Micah. He's got oh no,
I mean it's like you he sounds. It sounds like
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if Brady was arguing with Edelman or Gronk. I mean
he just got an answer, a quick comeback. It's like
half stand up comedian, half coordinator, half star player. Like
I'm sorry, but you I've always said this. I can
watch the American Idol, I can watch ten seconds and
I don't know anything about music and go stiff star
lounge singer. It doesn't take that long to see or
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hear smart. That CJ. Stroud video with Micah is like, damn,
that's why that kid's a start, not just that he
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Speaker 3 (37:02):
It's Dallas Cowboys time.
Speaker 4 (37:04):
The Cowboys have exercised Michael Parson's fifty year option.
Speaker 3 (37:09):
This was an obvious move, but an.
Speaker 4 (37:10):
Interesting wrinkle is that based the option was based on
Parsons being a defensive end rather than a linebacker. According
to the report, if Parsons was characterized as a linebacker,
he would have made an additional two point seven million dollars.
Parsons more than likely will file a grievance with the league.
(37:30):
According to a report, Colin like, this is just more Cowboys.
I don't know if there's a brushfire. It's not quite drama,
but it's just noise.
Speaker 1 (37:39):
Yeah. I mean they're not in my Super Bowl bubble,
so I'm not really good team not you know, I've
said for twenty years they'll be pretty good this year,
and I've been right for twenty years in a row
with the Dallas Cowboys pretty good this year. Almost every
year they're pretty good, but they're not a Super Bowl team.
Buffalo's closer than Dallas, despite what everybody wants you to believe. Cincinnati, Clo.
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I got Josh Allen, you get Dak.
Speaker 4 (38:03):
Come on, Dak has a better taste to come out
of the NFC than Josh Allen in that current AFC.
Speaker 3 (38:09):
Should we look at Super Bowl odds? I don't know
what are you? What are you basing that off of?
Speaker 1 (38:14):
It's funny you're nine in one in the NBA playoffs.
Like the odds makers are always right. There's a reason
you and I both have had success betting because the
odds makers on is right.
Speaker 3 (38:22):
So Cowboys. McCarthy Tenant named.
Speaker 1 (38:25):
Ten and seven wild card team at best first round out.
Speaker 3 (38:28):
Dak's looking for a new deal, Ceedee Lamb's waiting. Michael Parsons.
Speaker 1 (38:32):
This past year was the year to get good because
the Rams were still rebuilding. They were still rebuilding. The
Packers were a year away. Now they're ready to go.
Detroit didn't have that playoff experience yet. Now Chicago is
going to be good. Now. It looks like Minnesota with
Darnold will be interesting. Philadelphia's got Saquon and better coordinated.
(38:54):
Last year was the year to eat and you got
smashed at home by Green Bay. It's over. It's over.
Go to the games, have to drink at one of
Jerry's thirteen lounges in the stadium. But it's over. Super
Bowl stuffs over.
Speaker 4 (39:07):
Speaking of Super Bowl stuff being over, the Cincinnati Bengals,
so T Higgins had requested a trading earlier this offseason,
and he, you know, he's looking for a long term deal.
He reaffirmed that trade request yesterday. But Trey hendrickson the
defensive end, also is requesting a trade. Everybody's looking a
jump ship in Cincinnati. Actually, they're just looking for more money. Hendrickson.
Speaker 2 (39:31):
I went out, I won.
Speaker 3 (39:32):
Three, had seventeen and a half sacks.
Speaker 1 (39:34):
I would pay hendricks and I'd move off t Higgins.
Speaker 3 (39:37):
See.
Speaker 4 (39:37):
The problem is technically they don't have to pay him,
but he wants to get paid. He wants more money,
Like what do you do? You want to keep your
stars happy. The Bengals, regardless of what people think, have
a history of being kind of a cheap organization, not
kind of. Yeah, we've had people sit on the chair
here and say they were cheap.
Speaker 1 (39:54):
They are cheap. They're cheap. So they have a quarterback
and a star receiver. Keep your edge rusher off Higgins.
I'm good with that.
Speaker 4 (40:01):
Well, Dave also had move off Higgins. Okay, just when
Chase went down, Higgins kind of carried them as on.
Speaker 1 (40:08):
Well, yeah, he doesn't have a history of going down
a lot. You gotta have four things that work here.
You gotta have a star receiver, star quarterback, a left
tackle in that rusher and you're a playoff team and
they you don't need two great receivers and no edge rusher.
Speaker 3 (40:20):
Bengels had to move off some defenders last year. Secondary uh,
you know, lost some guys and they just weren't.
Speaker 4 (40:26):
The same defense. Like I'm just saying, it gets tough.
That window is small, Burrow, that bag.
Speaker 1 (40:32):
They weren't the same defense last year when Joe Burrow
wasn't there to extend drives. So you don't have to
be on the field the whole. So a great quarterback
keeps your offense on the field.
Speaker 3 (40:41):
You know what great quarterbacks are healthy.
Speaker 1 (40:44):
You don't think Burrow's great.
Speaker 3 (40:46):
He's great, but he ain't healthy. He class Joe Burrow.
That name was coined on this show.
Speaker 1 (40:51):
You're very proud of that.
Speaker 3 (40:53):
I kit he hasn't. He's got to say healthy one healthy,
He's good. Final story, damn it. More Lakers drama. Anthony David.
Speaker 4 (41:00):
I don't know why he opened his big mouth and
said this, but basically said that they go through stretches.
Speaker 3 (41:05):
Where the team doesn't know what they're doing. Not great.
So Darvin Ham.
Speaker 4 (41:09):
Responded to that in the media, saying the staff prides
itself on being organized and he'll agree to disagree with
his star.
Speaker 1 (41:18):
Also, Lakers made sure to leak it the Darvin Ham
is coming back. That was the story this week in
the NBA that got no play. Why was that leaked
this week? They don't want to hear about Lebron being
because they knew they were going to get beat by
Denver and they want to get in front of it.
We're not moving off the coach.
Speaker 4 (41:40):
Con if they lose tonight, and I know this is
like fiftier tonight with the draft and my men'sley game,
but if the Lakers lose tonight and they go down three,
the only thing tomorrow is Darvin Haam.
Speaker 3 (41:53):
How quick can they get him out of town?
Speaker 1 (41:54):
They're not getting him out of town if they lose tonight.
Speaker 3 (41:56):
I don't want to hear an argument that he's coming back.
Speaker 1 (41:59):
Well, Geenie buss Is made it clear she's sticking with
her guy. I don't think Darvin Ham's your primary issue.
Speaker 4 (42:04):
You can't get swept back to back years.
Speaker 1 (42:06):
You can and Galaxy doing it. It's about to happen,
so you can't.
Speaker 4 (42:10):
No, no, hey, Lebron is going to put his foot
down and say listen, Jeannie, come on, Jeanie, Hey, you
want to win, we gotta get this guy here.
Speaker 1 (42:20):
When there's a reason that story leaked. Jmack with the News.
Speaker 2 (42:24):
Well that's the news, and thanks for stopping by the
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Speaker 1 (42:29):
The rule in our business, stuff gets out when people
want it out. The Warriors didn't want that KD coming
to the team out. It didn't leak gigantic stories. My
whole life didn't. Tom Brady didn't want Tampa out. It
didn't leak. Well it did to me. I broke the story.
But if an athlete wants something out or a team,
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it gets out. That got out for a reason Lakers
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I'll be honest with you. I'm having a good hair day,
feel good about my life right now, clear eyed. For tonight,
I get so excited, so excited. I'm gonna be doing
some live YouTube stuff and I love tonight. It's my
favorite night. I think this is the best weekend of
the year that's out of the football season. This weekend
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that's out of the football season.
Speaker 3 (01:11):
I mean opening weekend of NCAA tournament. But that's not bad.
Speaker 1 (01:14):
That's second.
Speaker 3 (01:16):
So I like the comment I'm having a good hair day.
Speaker 4 (01:19):
I am really well, I'm coming off the Nashville trip
and you know, things get so it's amazing. But like
guys say comments like that and we all kind of
laugh and like, you know you've seen.
Speaker 3 (01:28):
Swingers, you know, Oh, I've shirt so money. You know
you're so money. That line was great with.
Speaker 4 (01:33):
The ladies, Like I think you could, you could, you
could take the next Nashville trip with us.
Speaker 3 (01:37):
Would you be in with an let that fly?
Speaker 5 (01:40):
Oh?
Speaker 1 (01:40):
An would let it fly? I'm not sure if I would.
Speaker 4 (01:42):
Oh yeah, you don't trust yourself. I am kind of
a bad influence of that.
Speaker 1 (01:46):
Yes, you are all right. This is my final mock.
I'm gonna get one pick right for sure, and that's
about it. But let's play. Let's play the game. This
is kind of my gut feeling. I do have one
trade in it. I'm not going to try to guess throughout,
but I do think Minnesota wants to move up. They
may not, but I kind of think they accumulated a
second first round pick to move up, and I think
I know who they like. So here we go. All right.
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First pick is easy. Chicago gets Caleb Williams. They've got
really nice weapons Keenan Allen, DJ Moore, Gerald Everett, Cole
Coment DeAndre Swift. I think Ryan Poles has done a
really good job. I was out on him early. He
whiffed on a couple of receivers, Chase Claypool, Vilas Jones,
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but we have to be fair in this business. His
last six or seven moves, I've loved all of them.
Montez Sweat, we loved everybody else didn't. I think Ryan
Poles is the GM for the future. Caleb's the quarterback
for the future. That was an easy one. I'm gonna
go Jaden Daniels to Washington. That's what I've been told
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by a sore side trust. I think Drake may may
have a higher ceiling, but I think they go with
a kid that can play. He's the Lamar Jackson. Been
watching him in Baltimore, now they get there. Lamar Jackson,
highly productive, lots of starts, beautiful deep ball, Terry McLaurin,
Cliff Kingsbury. He can sort of hide that average O
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line for the first couple of years. I think he's terrific.
I have him at two and he's ready to play now.
I think the Vikings are moving up and I think
they want Drake May and I think they move up
to first to get him. I think they're moving up
somewhere to get him. And this is my guess. Listen,
the kid had twenty sixteen. He's in one pick on
third and fourth downs. He's a little raw. So was Mahomes.
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So was Lamar, So was Jordan Love. So was Josh Allen.
He's the youngest of four boys. That's a really good sign.
He's never had elite weapons all over the field. He's
had to elevate others. I think Drake May goes to
the Vikings at three. New England, by the way, goes
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back to eleven. Cardinals take Marvin Harrison, arguably best player
in the draft. They don't have a very good receiving corps.
It's Chris More, it's Michael Wilson, it's kind of guys.
This is they have a tight end. I like a quarterback.
I love a running back, guy like a lot. This
rounds it out with a defensive coach. They've also got
three thirds another first. Harrison is money as good at
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college receiver. I've seen since maybe a Calvin Johnson. And
now it's up to the Chargers. I think they want
to move down. I don't think they'll get any takers.
JC Latham is the Latham is the right tackle of
note in this draft. Plays like a bully, people mover.
They call him violent hands. He's classic Hardbaugh. I don't
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think I don't see him getting a receiver again in
the first round. Quentin Johnson feels like a semi miss
to this point, and now we go to six. I
don't think they want the fourth quarterback. I think they're
gonna get a star receiver. They're paying Daniel Jones Molik neighbors. Listen.
The LSU's a receiver factory. He's a playmaker. Led the
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nation in big time catches thirty four catches of over
twenty yards. So my guess is, oh, you know a
lot of these LSU receivers end up being really good
and really productive in year one, and they just have
a lack of weapons. Now that Saquon Barkley is gone,
Giants take elite Neighbors. I think the Titans would move
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down and get another tackle, but Joe Alt's the best
one right now at left tackle. A true left tackle,
so I think they take him Notre Dame. He's athletic.
He was played a little defensive end tight end in
high school. Brian Kelly told us this week their only
question was could they put weight on him and get
him over three hundred pounds. I think he's really good.
I don't know if he's Trent Williams good, but he's
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a very very good left tackle. And again, if will
Levis is going to succeed, he can't do it on
his back. They get a left tackle.
Speaker 2 (06:00):
Atlanta.
Speaker 1 (06:00):
Jarrett's a good defensive tackle, but he's getting up there
in age. I think they go with Byron Murphy. They
upgraded their offense in the offseason. They went and got
Kirk Cousins, they got Darnell Moody, Ronde all Moore. They
are stacked on offense. They're going defense, and I think
they're gonna go on the inside with a d tackle.
I like Atlanta a lot. I think they win their division.
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I think they have great offensive pieces. I think they'll
be one of the highest scoring offenses in the NFL.
But to score, you need the ball, and to get
the ball, you gotta make stops. And they'll get a
big guy inside. Bears had the fewest sacks in the league.
I think they go with Dallas Turner, the edge out
of Alabama. He's consistent. Listen, Alabama edges Will Anderson. They
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do well in the NFL. And again, I think the
Bears are more than talented on offense. And I think
Matt Eberflus head coaches make more than gms. Will pound
on the table and say, listen, we got a corner
in Jalen Johnson, we got Montegus. What you gotta give
me a complimentary edge rusher, and this kid's a you know,
Alabama edge rushers in my life have done pretty well
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out of Nick Saban's program. Here we go, Jets take
the smart decision. Offensive tackle Oregon State, highest graded run blocker,
Tallaisi Wonga out of Oregon State. Again, right tackle, you
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can move him inside. I don't want to hear about
Brock Bowers. He's a tight end. He's very good. History
is rough on tight ends. In the first round, even
Kyle Pitts was a lock and it hasn't worked out
so far. They went and got two old tackles. Go
get a young one, Go get a bedrock right tackle.
This is the move to make I take him at ten. Okay,
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the Vikings traded this pick to New England. They get
a number one receiver in rome A doonsay, a grown up, productive,
ready to play. Got better every year with Michael Pennix
and Kaitlin de Boorr. Listen, New England has a million needs.
They need draft capital and weapons, and I'd argue that
right now is almost more valuable than a quarterback. And
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they may just they may be Jaden Daniels fan and
he gets taked by Washington. I think it's circumstantial. I
think they're gonna sit and wait and to see who
Washington takes, and if they take the quarterback they have
higher graded. I think New England moves down and gets
a wide receiver. I don't love wide receivers in the
first round, but this kid's really good. I think the
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Broncos would trade back if they could. But if JJ
McCarthy falls to them, I think Sean Payton sees a
guy that's got mobility, won a lot of games, had
an NFL coach in college, so he's clearly coachable. He's
used to hard coaching. I don't love JJ McCarthy. A
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lot of decisions are split on this. I think it's
two red to draft Bo Nicks or Michael Pennix JJ
McCarthy falls. I know there's this rumor everybody's moving up
to get him. I think he'll be drafted at twelve,
which is much more appropriate for his skills, and I
think the Raiders don't have the draft capital to move up.
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I don't think they're going to do it. Tom Tellesco's
history as a GM is not big swings moving up.
And I think they take Penn State's tackle Olufshanu, who
is a really good pass protector, doesn't play with enough physicality.
Maybe Antonio Pierce brings that out of him. But again,
I don't have a problem ever taking a tackle in
the first round outside of center. The safest position to
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take in the first round in the last twenty drafts
is tackle. Offensive line guys with fewer than any other positions,
wide receivers, tight end with more. So there you go.
I don't know if I get any more than Caleb Wright.
Joel Klatt joins US Live. He'll be on the NFL
Network Draft show tonight. By the way, Brock Bauers, the
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tight end is really good, but outside a wide receiver.
Tight end misses more than any position in the first
round in the last twenty years. Some of this I
would propose to you. I would submit that it's because
in the NFL you have to block to the tight end,
and outside of Iowa, a lot of programs don't ask
their tight ends to block. My first round, first thirteen
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picks is a lot of tackles. I got a lot
of tackles here, am I nuts? What's your guess on that?
Speaker 6 (10:32):
No, it's a really heavy offensive tackle draft, and they're
all very good players. All of those guys are going
to get selected in the first round, and I think
everyone that you have will get selected in the top fifteen.
So you're absolutely right on that one. I mean, who's
throwing the ball to Roma doonesday?
Speaker 5 (10:51):
I mean, just like like, well, I don't want to
understand that one.
Speaker 6 (10:57):
New England cannot move out of three unless they can
guarantee themselves that they're going to be in a position
to draft one of the top six quarterbacks. So there's
no way they would trade back to eleven, have JJ
on the board and then pass on JJ. They also
like JJ, but you're right in the fact that they
want to move up. They're trying to get up into
that top three for Drake May because this Jayden and
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Daniels not even smoke, but the rumors and everything about
him in Washington, that is very real. Right now, you're
gonna have Caleb, then you're gonna have Jayden, and then
the draft really starts. Is someone coming up for Drake May?
And is New England willing to deal that pick? I
think that's all fascinating. And the other part that I
would just I would just throw out is I want
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Jim Harbaugh to take Marvin Harrison junior just because because
that's like the college I mean that just wants to
see it, right.
Speaker 1 (11:51):
You know, It's funny that the Chargers are interesting because
they do want to trade down. They need a center,
a tackle, a receiver, a tight end, a defensive tackle.
They have some needs. Have two fours now let.
Speaker 5 (12:03):
Me jump in. Sorry, but whatever, It's like, you and
I do this really well. Tight end.
Speaker 6 (12:08):
You brought up tight end. What if I told you
let me just play Devil's advocate on tight end? Now
I get it what you're saying about first round because
all the guys I'm about to mention were not first rounders. However,
you can't show me a team maybe other than like
Kansas City their first super Bowl, but they still.
Speaker 5 (12:24):
Have my homes.
Speaker 6 (12:25):
You can't show me a team that won a super
Bowl because their best offensive player is a wide receiver.
And so your sentiment about like I don't love a
first round wide receiver.
Speaker 5 (12:35):
I might be with you on that.
Speaker 6 (12:36):
Even though some of these guys are very talented. However,
check this out the last eight Super Bowl winners, every
single one of them, they had a guy and I
would argue as a primary offensive weapon in the passing
game that owned and operated in the middle.
Speaker 5 (12:51):
Of the field.
Speaker 6 (12:51):
Yeah, Cooper Cup with the Rams drunk and Travis Kelce.
So these people, including you, which you just did it,
you want to devalue tight ends because of Kyle Pitts.
I really legitimately believe that Harbam might think about brock
Bauers there now if he could trade back, like with
Minnesota or someone to get brock Bauers in the middle
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of the first round. He is so offensive line and
tight end driven. This has been his blueprint everywhere he's been. Yeah,
I just think Bowers has a lot more value than
maybe people want to give him credit.
Speaker 1 (13:24):
So what's really interesting to me? There are two teams
that I think should take a quarterback first or second round.
Jets don't have a second round pick, and it's the
Jets and the Cowboys. So I think the kid at
two lanes thing.
Speaker 5 (13:38):
Other than the obvious, other than like the obvious quarterback needs.
Speaker 1 (13:42):
Yeah, so if I was the Cowboys, I would consider
Penix if he drops or or Pratt in the second round.
The Jets front two ends. Yeah, Jets would have to
go to the third round or moved out in the
first to get a second round pick. But I do
think Aaron Rodgers, I think you have to get somebody
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sitting behind him, somebody that's maybe a bit raw, and
I think Dallas has to consider that. I'm sorry, if
sixty million, fifty eight millions, what I gotta pay Dak,
I'm gonna roll the dice. I mean, I've only got
two playoff wins in eight years. What do you make?
How far do you think pennisick Bnicks fall? Because I've
heard this from two GMS. Denver's too rich for either,
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twelve's too rich, fifteen sixteen teams are more even the
Rams at nineteen I think would consider both those guys.
Is there a chance Nicks or Pennis fall out of
the first round in your opinion? What say you on
your ear evaluation.
Speaker 6 (14:42):
There's always a chance. There's always a chance. Now there
are six specific quarterback need teams in the first round,
and I hear you about that that twelve spot with
Denver maybe being too rich for a Knicks or Pennix.
The problem is Denver doesn't have a second round pick,
so they might be forced into this, and they also
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don't have a lot of ammunition. Like let's say Denver
loves JJ McCarthy or they want to maybe try to
like move up. Well, everyone would be looking at their
roster and saying, the only commodity that we value is
Patrick Stirtan. They're not treating Patrick Shirtan. So then you
look at draft capital. They don't have any draft capital.
They gave it all up for Russell Wilson and Sean Payton.
So Denver may be forced into a position. We're at
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the twelfth selection, they can't move they don't want to
move back, or can't move back based on who's available
and the value there, and they might be forced into
selecting one of those guys. I think Nix has been,
in my mind a fit for Sean Payton. He likes
a guy that wants to operate from a more of
a point guard mindset, Yes and hold the ball, and
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that's what Nix is very similar to Drew Brees in
terms of that mindset.
Speaker 5 (15:56):
But to your original.
Speaker 6 (15:57):
Question, I'm actually, if I had to bet my own money,
I would be betting tonight that all six of those
quarterbacks are taken tonight in the first round.
Speaker 5 (16:04):
I really think that we're going to get all six
of them.
Speaker 1 (16:07):
So I think the quarterback that's most interesting to me
is Drake May because like Jordan Love or Josh Allen
or Patrick Mahomes or Lamar Jackson, he's not quite there yet,
needs to be refined to tad get the right coach.
But the draft has shown us in recent years. Draft
the traits, if you have the right coordinator, draft the traits.
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Don't get too caught up on college production. That's circumstantial
based on coach. You know, Jade and Daniels got two
more years to start over Drake May. Drake May lost
a great receiver. NCAA took him out late, So I
mean the Drake May thing's fascinating. I didn't watch a
ton of them. I watched two games, and I thought
I got a good one and not a good one.
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But boy, he looks like Herbert. He completely looks the part.
What say you on him?
Speaker 5 (16:58):
I could totally agree.
Speaker 6 (16:59):
I think his upside is as high as anybody except
for Caleb in this draft. If you take Caleb off
the table, Drake has the highest upside of anybody. He
makes throws that Jayden Daniels and JJ McCarthy and even
Michael Pennox and Bo Nick's only dream of making off
platform throws. He's highly competitive, which actually got himself into
trouble without a great weapons set around him at North Carolina.
Speaker 5 (17:22):
He was trying to do too much.
Speaker 6 (17:23):
And by the way, that that's also kind of the
same mold that Caleb fell into at USC this year. Yeah,
they tried to do too much based on their competitive spirit,
and I think that's what got them in trouble. Because
now that you get into the draft process and people
are like, well, he wasn't efficient enough. Well, candidly, I
get so upset at these I'm sorry, like I'm gonna
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I get so upset at these draft people because they
they want these players to play specifically for their draft
evaluation and not for the actual win in front of
them on the field. It's like, well, he didn't complete
it enough. You know, his completion percentage wasn't high enough.
You show me a guy that protects his completion percentage,
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and I'll show you a guy that does not win. Now,
I know that Drake didn't win at an incredible clip,
but he was trying to. That's the competitive spirit I want.
Youngest of four. You talked about a very athletic family.
You know that he's tough and he's got a tough
spirit about him. The throwes he mix and I would
just say this, and I know you watched this game
the Holiday Bowl, not this last year, but the year
before when he played against Oregon Dan Lanning's first year
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at Oregon. He made a couple of throws that made
me come right out of my seat. And their throws
that nobody else makes. And if this guy sits for
a year, he will be a top ten quarterback in
the National Football League. There's no doubt about it in
my mind.
Speaker 1 (18:41):
Awesome, So the Bears, I said my three takes on
the draft Arizona with eleven picks two first rounders, three
and the third will be the most improved team Monday.
They'll do a Houston. They'll do a Houston. But Houston
went into the draft without even having a quarterback. So
Arizona's got the quarterback.
Speaker 5 (18:58):
But why not? Why not Chicago?
Speaker 3 (19:00):
Though?
Speaker 1 (19:01):
Well no, so I said Arizona will be the most
improved team because I don't.
Speaker 5 (19:06):
I'm saying why not Chicago.
Speaker 1 (19:07):
Because it being a rookie quarterback and a good divisions
hard the Chargers will be the most fascinating draft. The
Texans just did it well, but they weren't super Bowl.
They were they they over at cheat. We loved them.
It was a neat story. Chicago's not going to be
a super Bowl team.
Speaker 5 (19:21):
I did that neat story.
Speaker 1 (19:22):
Well, I mean, I think Chicago's going to have the
draft that in twenty years we're still talking about because
I think Caleb's going to be their first star quarterback ever.
I mean, they've never had a quarterback throw for thirty touchdowns.
The Packers have done it eighteen times with four quarterbacks.
Bears have never done it once. This will be for
a blue blood franchise. The draft twenty years from now
that you go oh, remember that draft we got Caleb Williams.
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Yeah so I so, by the way.
Speaker 6 (19:46):
You still think so in twenty years the Bears will
have the best draft. But Monday it's going to be
the card.
Speaker 1 (19:51):
No, No, Arizona's going to be the most improved team overnight.
Chicago's in a division green Bay and green Bay and
Detroit are stacked. Those are the best two teams in
the division. And I think the best coach maybe in Minnesota,
and if Darnold is okay, they'll vie for a playoff.
Arizona's gonna get seven starters out of this thing in
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a division where Seattle they could. Yeah, I mean, I
just think they're getting Now again, there's a difference between
the best team Monday. I'm being realistic about Caleb. So
let's pivot to this. I think Caleb's gonna be twenty
four touchdowns, eight picks, ninety passer rating, spectacular, little rough
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gotta win by shootouts in this division. It's an excellent
division and they finish eight and nine. Is that reasonable?
Speaker 5 (20:44):
Yeah?
Speaker 6 (20:45):
I'm actually more bullish on Chicago. I think if you
look at the quarterback needy teams, the ones that are
likely to take a quarterback. The two best possible situations
to go into are Chicago and Minnesota because the weapons
around the young quarterback, right you you outlined that when
you were going through your mock. I love this idea
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that you have of like Dallas Turner potentially slipping past
Atlanta and getting to Chicago. If that were to happen,
or even if they were to go like Jared Verse
or something along those lines, I think that you could
be in a situation where, for the third straight year
you have a team of the National Football League have
both the offensive and defensive Rookie of the Year in
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Pro football. We had it with Sauce Gardner and Garrett Wilson,
last year with Will Anderson and c. J.
Speaker 5 (21:36):
Stroud.
Speaker 6 (21:37):
And if you got a top end, you know, edge
player at nine, Chicago could be in that mode as well,
offensive and defensive Rookie of the Year. I get it
about the division, I'm less I'm less enthused about Minnesota.
I like Kevin O'Connell, I don't know. I don't know
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for me, like how is this Darnald young quarterback situation
going to go? In particular with Justin Jefferson, Like when
does he start getting upset about not getting the ball
or not getting the ball on time. Is he going
to be willing to allow these quarterbacks to grow or wait,
I'm not sure. Whereas like, Caleb's going to a place
where he's going to be the guy. There's offensive weapons
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around him, and there's an organization that is in a
much better position to succeed than they were when they drafted.
Justin fields, they reminded me much more of the Houston
Texans last year than the Carolina Panthers. I think we
would all agree with that, And that's why I think
we might be selling Caleb's impact on the National Football
League next year short. I think it could be pretty profound.
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This guy has a skill set that we have not
seen come out of college football ever. Ever, He's a
mixture of a great pocket passer and Patrick Mahomes, and
Mahomes didn't have any of his pocket presence or schematic
presence when he came out of Texas Tech. And yet
you've also got the ability to be off platform outside
of the pocket and be an absolute weapon throwing the
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ball down the field. So I think we might because
we've seen him for so long and people get turned
off with the nail polish and the crying, and I
think we might be selling short Caleb's impact on the
NFL next season.
Speaker 1 (23:18):
Okay, I don't dislike that. I just I think Green
bayd Detroit are staffed. I think those teams are really good.
You know what if Caleb gets drafted number one to celebrate,
I could do nail polish Monday. Why not? Why not
go all in on him?
Speaker 6 (23:31):
I mean, don't bring it up unless you can do it.
I mean, you saw Harbaugh's he got the tattoo. He
claimed he was going to get a tattoo, and he
got his tattoo. So now all he's got to do
is get taken number one, and you're wearing nail polish Monday.
Speaker 1 (23:45):
Let me think about it. Give me a segment to
think about it.
Speaker 5 (23:47):
I feel like you're back tracking. We're backtracking. What are
we doing? What are we doing?
Speaker 1 (23:53):
NFL Network, Joel Klatt have fun tonight. I'm jealous. That's
one of the few nights I like to be on
the road and working good. Stuflatt great, see anybody that
division is going to be crazy. What if the Vikings
get Drake May and the Bears get kaylab Williams I'm
gonna have Jared Goff, Drake May, Kayleb Williams and Jordan
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Love Holy. I mean, that's insane talent.
Speaker 4 (24:19):
I want to go back to something Clatt said. Did
he really say there is momentum.
Speaker 3 (24:22):
For McCarthy to go two?
Speaker 1 (24:24):
I don't see what are we doing?
Speaker 3 (24:27):
Thats ye that happens.
Speaker 1 (24:29):
You started this. You're a guy a year ago.
Speaker 4 (24:31):
Say in November top ten, But I did not say
anywhere near number two.
Speaker 3 (24:34):
I had a May and Daniel. That's crazy. This would
be Colin.
Speaker 1 (24:40):
I'm told. I'm told by somebody who's been three for
three with me in my life on sword sourcing. The
Jaden's going too. But again, but again, I I mean
Bill Belichick says, until twelve hours before the draft, are
not sure. What if somebody sweetens the pot and gives
them two firsts and they're like all right? I mean
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what if New England at three like somebody at two,
but not at three? I mean, who knows?
Speaker 4 (25:05):
Well, that's probably why we haven't seen any trades yet,
right other than that one Vikings culminatd.
Speaker 1 (25:10):
You just don't not everybody thinks they know. I've never
seen a mock draft, even in the first round. That's
fifty percent right. I've never seen one if you could, like,
I know I'm going to get the first pick, right,
I think I'm getting the second one right, and I
think I got Tennessee at Joe all feels right?
Speaker 3 (25:27):
How about this over? Under? Two and a half trades
in the top ten tonight would be too rich.
Speaker 1 (25:31):
Under that's too rich. Teams don't want to trade up.
They do like a prime example of fascinating to me
is the New York Giants. So the coach and the
GM won a new quarterback, they do You look around
the league. Daniel Jones is arguably of the sixteen NFC teams,
the thirteenth best NFC quarterback at best tenth in the
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AFC is the better quarterback conference. So I look at
the Giants and they're like, man, we can change everything.
And you've got a GM in ahead coach that could
be in trouble. So it's that that the Giants. I mean,
I know two things. The Giants want a quarterback. They're
praying somebody falls to them, but they don't want to
move up and give up because they have some elements
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cave on Foeba dough. They've got good defensive linemen. They're
pretty good in the box defensively. You don't want to
give up any of that stuff, and you can't give
up too much draft capital. Did you need it for pieces?
Speaker 3 (26:23):
So it's like Giants Vikings.
Speaker 1 (26:25):
There's some really chargers Chargers. There's about four of these
teams that I think Dallas. I don't think Tennessee wants
to move. Chicago doesn't want to move with their first pick.
I think the Jets are happy where they're at to
go get a really good tax.
Speaker 3 (26:36):
There's always mystery team. Do the Raiders? Jayden Daniels falls.
Speaker 1 (26:40):
Here's the downside of getting Aaron Rodgers, all right. The
only reason you got Aaron Rodgers because Zach Wilson busted,
so you were kind of trapped. You wouldn't have gone
if Zach Wilson played, so you had to. What you
did is you kind of reached and gave up stuff
because you whiffed it too. So that's the danger of
whiffing on a quarterback. We have to go get a quarterback.
We're in New York. We've been bad forever, right, so
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you go get Aaron Rodgers because you whiffed on Zach Wilson. Well,
the downside, they're doubling down on that. Now there's rumors
they're going to go get a playmaker. That's not what
they need. They need multiple picks. They don't have a
second round pick. So the problem with the Jets when
they hear that story, a they whiffed on a quarterback,
so then they had to kind of get an old
quarterback who is prickly in a better organization. Green Bay
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was like, take him, and then now they may double
down and go, let's reach and move up for a receiver.
It's like, oh, Jets, that's not what you do. So
even with Aaron, the whole story with Aaron is simple.
If Aaron plays every regular season game, you'll be a
viable football team. If you're the Jets, get out of
the Super Bowl, talk can you be viable? Can you
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sell your stadium out in Week fifteen? And if you win,
you have a chance to be a wildcard. We can
get to lower your expectations.
Speaker 3 (27:52):
Who's winning the division?
Speaker 1 (27:53):
Colin Buffalo? Again, the best quarterback wins the division. Mostly
in the league.
Speaker 4 (27:58):
Stefon Diggs is gone, like five starters defense are gone.
Speaker 1 (28:01):
You know what they were winning that division? Pri Stefon Diggs. Okay,
Lamar Jackson ends up getting to the playoffs every year.
You know it's funny. Patrick Mahomes this year, worse receiving
gore in the league won the Super Bowl. Anybody quarterbacks, right,
you'll you'll make the playoffs over the Buffalo Bills wide
receiver room.
Speaker 3 (28:19):
You can just bring another safety in the box, Josh Allen,
You're not going anywhere, buddy. I'm just telling you. The
Buffalo Bills are heading.
Speaker 4 (28:25):
And you know, I don't want to say too loudly
with the Bengals fan here, but this t Higgins wants out.
Trey Hendrickson wants to trade that Super Bowl window for
the Bengals starting to shrink. Joe Mixon's out of town.
Speaker 1 (28:37):
I don't think you're wrong on that. All Bills didn't
win the division before Stefan Diggs. I'm told they were good.
They made the playoffs. They made the playoffs with a
Tyrod Taylor. So you got a good coach, you have
a star defensive front, you got a star quarterback. Now
they have a running back that's really good, an elite
tied at They're gonna be fine. Buffalo's gonna be fine.
Speaker 3 (28:57):
Gonna be fine. Okay, not in eight is fine.
Speaker 1 (29:00):
They're not a nine to eight team. They're not a nine.
New England's not going to score this year. They're two
to zero right there, and they're not getting swept by
the Jets, and they're not getting swept by Miami. So
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Speaker 1 (29:40):
So good to have everybody today, JJ McCarthy, big debate
on him. I kind of like all these guys. JJ McCarthy,
I think is a first round talent. I don't see
him as a high first round talent. What do I know?
He was on rich Izon earlier this week on where
he thinks so good?
Speaker 7 (30:00):
Oh, I mean I have somewhat of an idea New
York Giants. I've spent the most time with you know,
they're a phenomenal staff love Coach Stable Love, you know,
mister Shane Love, Coach Tierney, coach Kafka Chicago guy. Just
being able to go in there pretty much know like
most of the install because he came Coach Dable came
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from Alabama and coach Gaddis came to Michigan from Alabama.
So it's similar formations, motions, uh, plays, all that stuff.
So being able to get that install in has been great.
Speaker 1 (30:33):
Mmm me tip his hand. I'm sure the giants love that.
I'm sure the New York Giants just loved that. What
do you think? So again, the Giants.
Speaker 3 (30:45):
Could easily be there at six. This whole thing is
the Patriots.
Speaker 4 (30:49):
Maybe don't love Drake May and the Vikings do. So
Vikings get Drake May at three, Jayden goes two. JJ
McCarthy's going to be there at six, and then the
Giants have to decide, right, they've done their whole work.
Speaker 3 (31:02):
I mean, I listen, I like McCarthy.
Speaker 1 (31:03):
Do you think the New York Giants liked that?
Speaker 3 (31:08):
Well, they spent the most time with him, they have to.
Speaker 1 (31:10):
Well, does Daniel Jones know that? Do you want that public?
If Fox was spending a lot If Fox was spending
a lot of time with somebody they were thinking of acquiring,
do you think they'd be happy if that person talked
about it publicly, especially if that person was replacing somebody
on a show.
Speaker 3 (31:27):
Probably not. What do you get again, huh?
Speaker 1 (31:29):
I'm saying I think it's great that the kid told
us that. I don't think the Giants love that they
have a quarterback who already has some self doubt. I
don't think the Giants wanted that. Good for Rich, but
I don't think the Giants loved.
Speaker 4 (31:44):
You know what else, The Giants all love Daniel Jones
stinking up the joint at quarterback.
Speaker 1 (31:48):
I mean, come on, I don't disagree with that either.
But it's just it's funny that JJ just comes out
and says, yeah, I've spent a lot of time with him,
install it really works. It's almost like there's a rule
in coaching we don't talk about coaching vacancies with teams
that have coaches. But now JJ's a kid. He's a
young kid. I don't He's not a thirty forty eight
year old coach that understands that temperature. But it's funny
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I'm thinking if I was a giant and he's saying that,
I'd be like, brother, ay, don't give away our trade secrets.
B we have Daniel Jones and we're already fighting with
our owner on that ping. So I love, I'm never
gonna beat up on you somebody that gives us content.
Aaron Rodgers is a content factory. So I always appreciate
and say it off and I appreciate the content. But
it's funny. As I listened to that, I'm like, that's awesome.
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I'm sure the giants love that.
Speaker 3 (32:34):
Is there a whiff of Will Levis with JJ McCarthy.
Speaker 4 (32:37):
McCarthy comes down with the YouTube hair all the you
know the young kids have that YouTube hair.
Speaker 1 (32:41):
No, no, no, no.
Speaker 3 (32:41):
I think he's a selfie guy. Big arm.
Speaker 1 (32:44):
Well, he made better decisions than Will Levis. Will Levis
is have arm, will travel a lot.
Speaker 4 (32:51):
I mean, I'm mostly joking because I'm thinking back to
your Will Levis takes last year.
Speaker 1 (32:55):
No, it's my JJ McCarthy issue is traits. He's kind
of thin. He he put on a lot of weight
for the combined direct arm is okay, ball.
Speaker 3 (33:07):
His arm is really good, man.
Speaker 4 (33:09):
I think he's the one who threw a sixty one
mile an hour dart at the combine, which kind of
opened some eyes, like, dang, he's toolsy. If he's good
enough for hardball, Colin, he's good enough for a lot
of these.
Speaker 1 (33:20):
It's just it's very interesting. If you were going to
get drafted, you would avoid making news. JJ McCarthy saying that, well,
the Giants have really looked at me. I already got
the install in as they have a quarterback that makes news. Yeah,
(33:41):
I don't love that judgment, but he is young and
young guys. I'll tell you I saw something yesterday which
just validate. C J. Stroud did a podcast with Micah Parsons.
It was brilliant, and so they built teams for one play.
C J. Stroud is so imp oppressive, so quick, so
(34:04):
cognitively twitchy. Like I watched and we all love CJ. Stroud,
but you watch CJ. Stroud with Micah Parsons and I
was like, damn, that kid is moving a thousand miles
an hour upstairs.
Speaker 4 (34:17):
I wouldn't know what that feels like because the Jets
have never had one of those guys since I've been
a fan of the team.
Speaker 3 (34:21):
I mean, no disrespects.
Speaker 1 (34:24):
I've always said this. I watched quarterbacks at the podium.
Do you have self awareness? Do you put out fires?
JJ McCarthy talking about that stuff? Good for rich, but
I wouldn't love that. If I was the Giants and
c J Stroud yesterday with Micah Parsons. You watched that thing,
I was just jaw. I was just like, whoa. Now
(34:45):
we all know CJ's good. You want to know why
CJ sees the field so well, go watch that two
minute clip with Micah Parsons. That kid's going a thousand
miles an hour upstairs. He is, he is flying through stuff.
Funny line. I mean he's sent to humor, funny quick.
I mean he's making reads on Micah. He's got oh no,
I mean it's like you he sounds. It sounds like
(35:06):
if Brady was arguing with Edelman or Gronk. I mean
he just got an answer, a quick comeback. It's like
half stand up comedian, half coordinator, half star player. Like
I'm sorry, but you I've always said this. I can
watch the American Idol, I can watch ten seconds and
I don't know anything about music and go stiff star
lounge singer. It doesn't take that long to see or
(35:28):
hear smart. That CJ. Stroud video with Micah is like, damn,
that's why that kid's a start, not just that he
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Speaker 1 (36:54):
Jamack with the news, Turn on the.
Speaker 2 (36:59):
News is the herd line News.
Speaker 3 (37:02):
It's Dallas Cowboys time.
Speaker 4 (37:04):
The Cowboys have exercised Michael Parson's fifty year option.
Speaker 3 (37:09):
This was an obvious move, but an.
Speaker 4 (37:10):
Interesting wrinkle is that based the option was based on
Parsons being a defensive end rather than a linebacker. According
to the report, if Parsons was characterized as a linebacker,
he would have made an additional two point seven million dollars.
Parsons more than likely will file a grievance with the league.
(37:30):
According to a report, Colin like, this is just more Cowboys.
I don't know if there's a brushfire. It's not quite drama,
but it's just noise.
Speaker 1 (37:39):
Yeah. I mean they're not in my Super Bowl bubble,
so I'm not really good team not you know, I've
said for twenty years they'll be pretty good this year,
and I've been right for twenty years in a row
with the Dallas Cowboys pretty good this year. Almost every
year they're pretty good, but they're not a Super Bowl team.
Buffalo's closer than Dallas, despite what everybody wants you to believe. Cincinnati, Clo.
(38:00):
I got Josh Allen, you get Dak.
Speaker 4 (38:03):
Come on, Dak has a better taste to come out
of the NFC than Josh Allen in that current AFC.
Speaker 3 (38:09):
Should we look at Super Bowl odds? I don't know
what are you? What are you basing that off of?
Speaker 1 (38:14):
It's funny you're nine in one in the NBA playoffs.
Like the odds makers are always right. There's a reason
you and I both have had success betting because the
odds makers on is right.
Speaker 3 (38:22):
So Cowboys. McCarthy Tenant named.
Speaker 1 (38:25):
Ten and seven wild card team at best first round out.
Speaker 3 (38:28):
Dak's looking for a new deal, Ceedee Lamb's waiting. Michael Parsons.
Speaker 1 (38:32):
This past year was the year to get good because
the Rams were still rebuilding. They were still rebuilding. The
Packers were a year away. Now they're ready to go.
Detroit didn't have that playoff experience yet. Now Chicago is
going to be good. Now. It looks like Minnesota with
Darnold will be interesting. Philadelphia's got Saquon and better coordinated.
(38:54):
Last year was the year to eat and you got
smashed at home by Green Bay. It's over. It's over.
Go to the games, have to drink at one of
Jerry's thirteen lounges in the stadium. But it's over. Super
Bowl stuffs over.
Speaker 4 (39:07):
Speaking of Super Bowl stuff being over, the Cincinnati Bengals,
so T Higgins had requested a trading earlier this offseason,
and he, you know, he's looking for a long term deal.
He reaffirmed that trade request yesterday. But Trey hendrickson the
defensive end, also is requesting a trade. Everybody's looking a
jump ship in Cincinnati. Actually, they're just looking for more money. Hendrickson.
Speaker 2 (39:31):
I went out, I won.
Speaker 3 (39:32):
Three, had seventeen and a half sacks.
Speaker 1 (39:34):
I would pay hendricks and I'd move off t Higgins.
Speaker 3 (39:37):
See.
Speaker 4 (39:37):
The problem is technically they don't have to pay him,
but he wants to get paid. He wants more money,
Like what do you do? You want to keep your
stars happy. The Bengals, regardless of what people think, have
a history of being kind of a cheap organization, not
kind of. Yeah, we've had people sit on the chair
here and say they were cheap.
Speaker 1 (39:54):
They are cheap. They're cheap. So they have a quarterback
and a star receiver. Keep your edge rusher off Higgins.
I'm good with that.
Speaker 4 (40:01):
Well, Dave also had move off Higgins. Okay, just when
Chase went down, Higgins kind of carried them as on.
Speaker 1 (40:08):
Well, yeah, he doesn't have a history of going down
a lot. You gotta have four things that work here.
You gotta have a star receiver, star quarterback, a left
tackle in that rusher and you're a playoff team and
they you don't need two great receivers and no edge rusher.
Speaker 3 (40:20):
Bengels had to move off some defenders last year. Secondary uh,
you know, lost some guys and they just weren't.
Speaker 4 (40:26):
The same defense. Like I'm just saying, it gets tough.
That window is small, Burrow, that bag.
Speaker 1 (40:32):
They weren't the same defense last year when Joe Burrow
wasn't there to extend drives. So you don't have to
be on the field the whole. So a great quarterback
keeps your offense on the field.
Speaker 3 (40:41):
You know what great quarterbacks are healthy.
Speaker 1 (40:44):
You don't think Burrow's great.
Speaker 3 (40:46):
He's great, but he ain't healthy. He class Joe Burrow.
That name was coined on this show.
Speaker 1 (40:51):
You're very proud of that.
Speaker 3 (40:53):
I kit he hasn't. He's got to say healthy one healthy,
He's good. Final story, damn it. More Lakers drama. Anthony David.
Speaker 4 (41:00):
I don't know why he opened his big mouth and
said this, but basically said that they go through stretches.
Speaker 3 (41:05):
Where the team doesn't know what they're doing. Not great.
So Darvin Ham.
Speaker 4 (41:09):
Responded to that in the media, saying the staff prides
itself on being organized and he'll agree to disagree with
his star.
Speaker 1 (41:18):
Also, Lakers made sure to leak it the Darvin Ham
is coming back. That was the story this week in
the NBA that got no play. Why was that leaked
this week? They don't want to hear about Lebron being
because they knew they were going to get beat by
Denver and they want to get in front of it.
We're not moving off the coach.
Speaker 4 (41:40):
Con if they lose tonight, and I know this is
like fiftier tonight with the draft and my men'sley game,
but if the Lakers lose tonight and they go down three,
the only thing tomorrow is Darvin Haam.
Speaker 3 (41:53):
How quick can they get him out of town?
Speaker 1 (41:54):
They're not getting him out of town if they lose tonight.
Speaker 3 (41:56):
I don't want to hear an argument that he's coming back.
Speaker 1 (41:59):
Well, Geenie buss Is made it clear she's sticking with
her guy. I don't think Darvin Ham's your primary issue.
Speaker 4 (42:04):
You can't get swept back to back years.
Speaker 1 (42:06):
You can and Galaxy doing it. It's about to happen,
so you can't.
Speaker 4 (42:10):
No, no, hey, Lebron is going to put his foot
down and say listen, Jeannie, come on, Jeanie, Hey, you
want to win, we gotta get this guy here.
Speaker 1 (42:20):
When there's a reason that story leaked. Jmack with the News.
Speaker 2 (42:24):
Well that's the news, and thanks for stopping by the
herd Line News.
Speaker 1 (42:29):
The rule in our business, stuff gets out when people
want it out. The Warriors didn't want that KD coming
to the team out. It didn't leak gigantic stories. My
whole life didn't. Tom Brady didn't want Tampa out. It
didn't leak. Well it did to me. I broke the story.
But if an athlete wants something out or a team,
(42:50):
it gets out. That got out for a reason Lakers
aren't moving out darvienham Our, three nons,
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